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Arrogance Will Be The Downfall Of Nintendo

Nintendo has to make a change. Stopping short of channeling the prevalent "Nintendo is doomed" meme that has become so popular on the Internet for the last five years, the Japanese game giant that singlehandedly resurrected the industry in both the East and the West is on the verge of being left behind by Sony and Microsoft and has to adapt. The industry continues to expand, yet Nintendo is still playing catch-up. The company's arrogance and stubbornness has led it to this point, not unlike Sony's downfall in 2006.

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GraveLord3743d ago

What do they have to be arrogant about? The Wii died much quicker than PS3/360. 3DS is selling way behind what DS was in its time. They should have seen the Wii U's failure coming.

Yep3743d ago

And you wonder why you have one bubble. You're blatantly trolling by calling the 3DS and Wii failures.

If the 3DS is a failure, what do you think that makes the PS4?

Kingthrash3603743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

your argument was valid until you brought the ps4 up...its a 2 month old machine. but it's true he is trolling and thats why he has one bub. if the wii is a fail then so is ps360...smh
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i've always felt nintendo's arrogance and playing it safe would bit them in the a$$.
when i bought a wii it collected dust after a month. it was used only when a new mario or zelda came out. looking at it as it collected dust i promised myself i wouldnt buy the next Nintendo system unless they've changed.
to this day i havent bought a wiiu. they stay on that old beaten path bringing the same old games, and while they are great games it was still the same worlds we've been playing since '87...run, jump, eat srooms. save princess ..repeat. while this is ok for some i would perfer they acually make something else. they are great developers, that have gaming minds and are great at their craft but they just dont bring nothing new to the table. 3rd parties ran away leaving only those 1st party games to wait on....and wait, and wait, and wait. i got my ps4 day1, why because sony brings it...best hardware, great innovative devs like nd and ss. upgraded controller, ps+, etc.
Nintendo arrogance was ok when its competition had not as talented devs...but now that's changed, Nintendo fan-base has changed. thos kids who got a wii for Christmas got a ps4/x1 for Christmas. the kids, they've grown. Nintendo hasn't, you can say their fan-base has out grown them. i know i have. look at them numbers...they don't lie

Yep3743d ago

@Kingthrash360

"your argument was valid until you brought the ps4 up"

Oh don't be sore. You know what point I was making. The point I was making was that the 3DS is not a failure. If it was, that would mean the PS4 and every other console that is selling lower than it is one too.

NatureOfLogic3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

Nintendo going third party is looking more and more likely everyday. I think going third party is their best way to recover or they should make a deal with Sony. Mario and Zelda on Playstation hardware would be very nice.

InTheLab3743d ago

He might be trolling but where does he say the 3DS is a failure? He said its not selling as well as it's predecessor. That's a fact.

Bringing up the PS4 is actually trolling harder than the OP.

d3nworth13743d ago

He didnt say the Wii failed he said it died. When you say a console is dead that means its not getting support anymore not that its a failure. So he's actually correct. The Wii stop getting support long ago while the ps3/360 are still coming out with games. He also never said the 3DS was a failure. He said it is sells are behind what the DS was. The XB1 is selling behind the Ps4 but it's far from being a failure. I think you took what he said out of context. Though I wouldn't say those are reason why they should have seen the Wii U's failure. The Wii U's failure was due to lack of games and proper advertising.

thorstein3743d ago

Alright, lets assume the DOOOM and GLOOOM article about Nintendo is correct. Nintendo then goes Sega and makes software, not hardware (except in the handheld arena where they dominate).

Nintendo would then bring their software to their former, would be partner, SONY. They, most likely wouldn't go Xbox.

AsimLeonheart3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

The PS4 is exceeding expectations and breaking records so it is a HIT. While the 3DS is missing sales targets like the Wii U. Being "top selling" isnt that big deal when your hardware costs only $129 or $200 and games cost only $40 instead of $400 or $500 for console and $60 for the games.

LonDonE3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

@Kingthrash360
While i agree with u, please for the love of god use proper paragraphing when writing a long reply! it makes it so much more easier to read.

Because without spaces in the message you wrote people can find it hard to read.
Please dont take offence to what i'am saying!
I am not being a grammar nazi, i am merely pointing out that reading your reply was annoying! I hardly ever use proper punctuation and grammar when writing replies online, since i cant be bothered.

As long as the reader gets the point of what i am trying to say then who cares right? But at the very least you have to space out the paragraphs properly, because when reading a persons eyes can jog, and then they lose where they are at in the message.
It just makes it so much easier if a message has paragraphs spaced out properly!

Anyway thanks for a good read, i agree with u!

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GamersHeaven3743d ago

Sorry I gave you a disagree.You are right the Wii sales died after hitting the 100 mil mark.Nintendos arrogance was they believed a new gimmicky controller would put them at the same level of success as it predecessor with out big marketing,casuals don't work that way.One of the many bad decisions was the name its one of the most confusing names in gaming history doesn't sound like a new console more like a addon.Nintendo ignoring the competition as they did with the N64 (Cartridges) Gamecube (Online/3rd party developers).There repeating the same mistakes as if they don't have to compete this is a three way race this isn't the 90's anymore online gaming is essential part of gaming,third party support as well.Nintendo needs new blood there nothing wrong with the old way but ignoring what is a big part of console gaming and what gamers want is.

kevnb3743d ago

Those " failed" consoles still made money. Nintendo has always made more money than Sony or Microsoft and they do their own thing. There is no point in them trying to do things any different than the Nintendo way.

Evilsnuggle3743d ago

PS3 and 360 didn't make money because of both of them took a lost on hardware. Wii was a fluke fad it sold less software than both PS3 and 360. Nintendo made money on cheap hardware and software. But 3 party publishers got killed on the wii THQ and Majesco 3 party took loss. So that is why Nintendo has no 3 party support . 3 party make money off of PS4 ,PS3 , 360 and xbone.

DC7773743d ago

The difference is 360 and ps3 still in the hands of almost 200 million people and they can still get ports for most new games. That will stifle all new system sales once the hype dies down. Things aren't the same this time around. These ports to last gen systems of the big releases are going to keep numbers low all around. Wait and see.

timeline793742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

All i see is a ton of butt hurt fans ect including companys trying their best to spoil Nintendo's image when the WiiU is the best console right now Sony and microsoft are trying too hard to convinse consumers to leave wiiu alone its very childish....

But their is a few reasons in my eyes as to why gamers will find out eventually that wiiu is the best when you see games like Project CARS,Mariokart8,X,Bayonetta2,e ct ect specially in the Uk gamers love Mariokart and when these games are on WiiU it will outsell xbox1 and ps4 every month after that mark my words.

ErryK3742d ago

@timeline79 No, stop talking. You're not making sense.

3-4-53743d ago

3DS is on pace to be th 5th best selling console of all time.

Go look at some stats.

It's already in 12th place and rising.

Yea it won't sell DS numbers, but it will be up there.

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Yep3743d ago

How about we settle this once and for all.

Everything will be the downfall of Nintendo. Just like it was every generation since the 5th.

EcoSos33743d ago

Dont waste your time with the ignorance in this site, we still have 3 months before Nintendo post how much they made or lost. They just lower their sales expectation nothing else.

-Foxtrot3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

Why do people call this site and it's users when articles like this get made. N4G pushes articles from ALL OVER the internet on here

So if you get a lot of articles on a certain subject then I don't see how N4G users are to blame. They are just agree/stating what everyone else is saying.

Sony 2006

Microsoft with the Xbox One reveal

Nintendo...Wii U problems

Everyone gets a slice

EcoSos33743d ago

Because the people in this site believes that Nintendo may have a second year of losses they can star saying that they need to go 3rd party. What about Sony havent they been lossing money for like 5 years in a row now but they "oh its fine theyll be alright" this why Im saying that most users in this site are ignorant.

-Foxtrot3743d ago

@EcoSos3

But it's not really about money or who is loosing more the point is the Wii U as a CONSOLE, is selling very poorly which has made Nintendo cut it's sale forecast by 69%.

The PSV is doing poorly and we've had articles on that aswell but with that at least for Sony the PS3 AND their next gen console the PS4 are selling well. The only thing Nintendo has is the 3DS to keep it going.

Sure money is a part of it but it's not the main reason why these articles are popping up.

AsimLeonheart3742d ago

The forecasts are always optimistic and the actual figures turn out to be even lower. You do remember that just a week ago they were expecting 9 million Wii Us sold and the reality turned out to be much different.

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CouldHaveYelledUiiW3743d ago

So true-

And Now you know that you have seen through the illusion of the Matrix-

What if I told you...

Nintendo failed a longtime ago but because the Super Machines that secretly run Sony and MS could not sell consoles without a whipping-boy to compare themselves too-

- they enslaved humanity and then created an illusion in the minds of all humanity that Nintendo still exists.

Take the Blue pill and your breath will be minty fresh.

Take the Red and you will be as high as I am....
(joking)

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You are so right. They have been saying Nintendo would fail since N64 and people have been hoping it since SEGA came West. "Intelligent" Bubble for you.

Phil323743d ago

It has nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with incompetence.

deafdani3743d ago

That claim surprises me a lot coming from you, Phil. Incompetence?

Is that why they had the most successful console of the past generation, and the most successful handheld, and the most successful handheld currently, which was the best selling gaming device of last year? Because of incompetence?

Yes, the Wii U is in pretty damn poor shape right now... but calling Nintendo incompetent for one blunder (that can still, and probably will be corrected) after a string of successes for several years is making them a disservice.

Th4Freak3743d ago

They're very strong in the handheld market but what about the home consoles? N64, GC and Wii U all failures. I don't think the entire company is incompetent but Iwata and the console division are indeed incompetent.

Phil323743d ago

I meant incompetent with how they handled the Wii U.

- Had six years to prepare for HD development yet were still blindsided

- Further ruined third-party relations

- Called the system the Wii U despite the 3DS/DS having brand confusion prior to that

- Did not read the market correctly at all

That's why I think they were incompetent and not at all arrogant. Sorry for not explaining further with my initial post. D:

Studio-YaMi3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

Nintendo's success with the Wii is because of gimmicks,they should have known that and try something else with the Wii U,the way they introduced the Wii U to the consumers was their falling,it almost felt like they were showing you a gaming peripheral to your old gen Wii instead of a new console,that's why it wasn't picked up by the same market that overflowed the Wii(casuals).

If the Wii U was handled more professionally by the PR & marketing teams at Nintendo,then things would have been a lot better for them.

With the Wii they were Competent,with the Wii U..their incompetence is really showing.

They didn't study the market well this time around and now it's biting them back,I really hope they get back on their feet and end up profiting from the Wii U since it's a great system on it's own.

@Phil32
I almost said the same thing as you haha,really good point on the 3DS/DS fiasco as well.

SoapShoes3743d ago

@th4Freak - N64 a failure? Maybe by comparison to the Playstation but by no means was it a failure. 40M+ sold is still good and a lot more for that era than it would be now.

Lukejrl3743d ago

I think it is incompetence led by arrogance. The incompetence in seeing the way their system network is not on par with ps or Xbox. To not unify accounts so that if my wii u dies I do not have to send it back to Nintendo to get my games on a new one. Then the arrogance for being called out on the problems and saying "we do our own thing".
There was an article written about a developer's experience on wii u. The guy said Nintendo was not familiar with how psn or Xbox live worked. Which is ridiculous. Who on earth doesn't look at the competition and see what they can do better or differently. That is incompetence.

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DC7773742d ago

An incompetent marketing team surely. The name (which they should drop) being the biggest mistake. It looks like Wii with some decoration after it. With Wii there was great marketing and even a little video display in stores with a woman telling you about the console. With Wii U there's just a demo to play with the game pad. Were there signs for "Nintendo X" or something if would have at least got people to take a peak and see what's new. There are plenty of people who will buy something just because it's new. But if you can't even discern the one box that says wii with a free Mario game from the other box that says wii with a free Mario game. Well who is going to think anything is different? Go back to Nintendo.

JackieCruise693743d ago

This article should be titled

"Hi guys! I'm bored, here' let me post another pointless doom article!"

Haters are bored apparently.

LOL_WUT3743d ago

Oh yeah? Well your not exactly helping by commenting and giving the article more heat ;)

InTheLab3743d ago

I don't think it's arrogance. Nintendo just doesn't know what they're doing. The company is poorly managed and their current troubles with the WiiU and early struggle pre-price drop 3ds is a symptom of their incompetence.

ape0073743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

i agree with u, it has management problems, it's a shame since they have pure gold game development studios, imagine if MS or Sony has the gaming legacy that nintendo has, imagine the premier online services for classic games , AAA remakes, engine/gfx support for current projects, online support etc...

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein1d 4h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

Cacabunga7h ago

I like the sound of that!! I will for sure never support these gaas games.
Sony must be shocked at gamer's reaction, making them cancel a few of these and hopefully go back to the good heavy hitters they had us used to..
now bring on that PSPro reveal and show us some SP 1st party awesomeness.

CrimsonWing691d 4h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

DarXyde11h ago

It's pretty ridiculous.

Imagine having a breadth of data at your disposal to see the statistically low success rate of these games, only to be laser focused on the exceptional case studies.

shinoff21831d 2h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg1d 2h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 2h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam1d 6h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1251d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2291d 3h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."