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Xbox One: Hard Drive Full at 362GBs

IGN- To test its capacity, IGN installed 20 games on the system before we reached capacity at 362GBs out of 500GBs. Results may vary.

FlameHawk3788d ago

Lol no wonder they didn't want to show how much GBs your Xbox One has, so much GB already gone.

zeal0us3788d ago

I expected to be at least 460-480gbs but 362gb come on

Sephiroushin3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

What you were expecting is almost impossible to achieve, in fact its impossible...
When a "500GB" HDD is manufactured it will tell you that on the box ("500 GB") and its in fact a 500GB, what the box do not tell you is that its an "unformatted 500GB" HDD, if you want to use that 500GB HDD you'll need to format it, and it actually becomes a ~465GB HDD, that w/o the OS or anything else...

OT: I cannot believe the OS + included apps takes around 90 GB of it, that's massive !

TomShoe3788d ago

They better get working on that external drive solution, and fast.

Army_of_Darkness3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

Maybe MS lied and its actually 400GB HDD! Oh my!? or maybe the OS is just that powerful??! LOL

NatureOfLogic3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

I know PS4 allows over 400GBs, plus you can read and manage your space unlike Xbox One. Overall, Xbox One is just a beta box right now. I'm sure It'll be fixed in 2014 like most of the lacking or missing features. Imho, Xbox One is clearly not ready. It's not worth the current asking price imo.

Seriously MS this is 2013 ffs. For $500, you shouldn't hide the HDD space from the user.

M1ST4K33788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

@Sephiroushin you really think a formatting table takes 500-"~465" = 35GB of disk space!? Oh boy... that's SO wrong...

What you might argue is that when they tell you 500GB they are (conveniently) using the scientific notation of 1 Giga = 10^9 and not the one used in Computer Science (1 Giga = 2^30) (Every HDD is marketed this way...)

So, scientific notation:
500 GB = 500 * 10^9 bytes
To get the real value you divide this value by 2^30:
500*10^9 / 2^30 = 465 GibiBytes (gibi is used to know that 1k = 1024 instead of 1000)

Or you can see it this way:
Marketed:
500 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000 bytes
Computers see:
465 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 bytes

And now I fly away leaving you guys a wall...

TL;DR: A different unit dimension is used when HDD are marketed to make them seem "bigger"

I_am_Batman3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

It's just the difference between GB and GiB. I'll switch from giga to kilo to explain the difference.

1kB = 1 kilobyte = 1000 bytes
1KiB = 1 kibibyte = 1024 bytes

So giga is decimal while gibi is binary.

Now the important part: The hard drive is labelled in gigabyte but most systems display the volume in gibibyte.

So when it shows 465GB it actually means 465 GiB which equals 500 GB.

Edit: Damn too slow.

EL Lanf3788d ago

@M1ST4K3 You are correct however MS is one of the few major OS producers that actually take giga to mean 1024 x mega rather than 1000 x mega. As far as I'm aware, Apple's various OS's and some other do use the recent (and lexicologically accurate) definition of 1000 and refer to 1024 as gibi rather than giga.

It's really false advertising on MS's behalf if they use mixed standards.

thehitman3788d ago

Its probably all the software that comes with the OS. Not sure how much pre-installed crap they put on it but it seems like a lot. Sony also has a bunch of pre-installed stuff I wish I could take off but doesn't effect me too much. MS is 2x as bad though with the space management. Worst part is you cant change your HD w/o voiding your warranty with the xb1 lol. Talk about all in one /s.

assdan3788d ago

You're an idiot if you thought that. A 500gb hard drive doesn't actually provide 500gb EVER. I would expect a minimum of 400gb though.

Mosiac773788d ago

If I paid $500 for this system I should have the right to see how much GB of space I have left. MS are getting me mad already. They better give me the option to see the amount of space I have left or they can forget me supporting this system when it comes to buying software for it.

UltimateMaster3788d ago

It's somewhere around 125Gb, it could be more, but someone already made a test and saw that it was around that size.

indysurfn3788d ago

Microsofts own website has a chart in the answers section showing what a unformatted drive is after formatting. The answer for the 500GB is 465Ggib in capacity. I 465gb-362gb=103gb No Microsoft operating system is 103GB Even the large ones fit on a dvd, some of that has to be pre loaded content, and or reserved space. Is it instant ads? An insane amount of preferred Apps? Surprise free games? Surprise free movies? A huge reserve to insure 3rd parties have what they want for content downloaded automatically? All of the above?

http://answers.microsoft.co...

Back-to-Back3787d ago

"460-480gbs" Spoken like someone who has never used an MS OS.

500gb hdd has about 460gb useable space. Then you take into account MS adding their OS on top of it. Its a heavy OS, but thats why MS needed their HDD to be upgradeable like the ps3/4

Volkama3787d ago

There is hardly anything pre-installed, most of the apps download and install the first time you use them.

Who knows what takes all that space, hopefully IGN were smart enough to take a fresh system and not one they've been using?

External storage definitely needs to happen soon. Right after they give me my dolby digital and chat adapter for headsets.

mewhy323787d ago

Wow. That's a lot of space used up before you even start using the thing.

tee_bag2423787d ago

A 500 GB HDD loses 35GB after a format no matter what. So we're left with 465. So if its full at 362GB that means the OS is 103GB !!! Holey $hit. That's more bloat than a 4 x full Windows 7 installations!

wampdog293787d ago (Edited 3787d ago )

@Sephiroushin and zeal0us:

Actually, on top of that, there is something MANY people do not know about quoted hard drive sizes. It's actually funny that Microsoft is mainly a software/OS company and yet they STILL report the manufacturers quoted hard drive space. HDD manufacturers report HDD space as being 1000 bytes equals 1 Megabyte instead of the actual 1024 bytes equals 1 Megabyte. Continuing this real-world logic into Gigabytes would show that there is 7% less space than what is reported in a "500GB" HDD. The real world number comes out to 465.54GBs. So, a completely unused, 500GB hard drive only has 465.54GBs of real-world space. Then, you have the OS and other software and drivers as well as preloaded apps and other sectioned off space (maybe things like virtual memory for example).

Of coarse, this is only under Windows... every other OS uses even numbers in 1 Mbyte = 1000 bytes

KwietStorm_BLM3787d ago

I can make a wild guess why you got all those agrees, but it's so illogical to expect 480gigs free on a 500GB hard drive, that it's laughable. 362 still sucks though.

nukeitall3787d ago (Edited 3787d ago )

Remember when the PS3 didn't have cross game chat because resources weren't set aside?

Well PS3 still doesn't have that feature!

Point being MS probably reserved the space for something. Maybe for caching, bigger apps, video recording and so on. Heck, maybe IGN is just wrong....

For now the vast majority ain't going to hit the limit, and an update is coming for external hard drive so what's the big deal?

Well except for fangirls....

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vigilante_man3787d ago

PS4 has 409GB left after install and system patches. Must be the 3 OS's even though they are run in virtual machines you still need the OS files. Windows 8 must take a few gig, even stripped down.

This is fine as long as you can change the hard drive to 1TB+.

There again, 20 next gen digital games is a lot. Guess that's why we have bluray capacity for games.

I currently have about 40% of my games digital on PS3. Guess I may do the same on PS4 until I get a 1.5TB-2TB drive.

ThePope3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

They could have said 480 of 500gb and you witch hunting fool's would be like; That's super weak, no wonder they didn't...insert some lame recycled hate. News flash people that own the Xbox One love the system and this won't change that. Get over it. I know, I know your thinking but, but, 1080p!!!!!!! You guys are like a bunch of children in a room all shouting at the top of your lungs. "Xbox, be awesome" oh wait it already is that...

bsquwhere3788d ago

Wha..? Am I having a stroke? What did he just say? ^

pacosanchez883788d ago

"'xbox be awesome' oh wait it already is that..." wow, just wow.

ThePope3788d ago

Read it again. I mean't every word. Holla.

Back-to-Back3787d ago

@ThePope sounds like someone doesnt understand how HDD's work.

LastRequest3787d ago

@Back-To-Back

Or apostrophes and contractions.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II3787d ago

@ThePope

Firstly im the pope
Secondly Never go full retard.

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lpc3787d ago

Microsoft Maderchod kuttay liars hain

whome3787d ago

maybe dat cloud takes up alot of space. or its a special program for the nsa to use.

Magicite3787d ago

my 1tb hdd has 930gb, so logically 500gb hdd should have around 465gb. My WIN8 OS takes around 35GB of space (all apps, but no games, included).

TrueJerseyDevil3787d ago

@Army_of_Darkness

It is "The CLoud" that is taking up 90gbs

kingduqc3787d ago

Hard disk problem: Only a console thing. lol 2.5 inch 5400 rpg HDD is ridicoulous for both xbones and ps4

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney3787d ago (Edited 3787d ago )

Waits for Official over priced Xbox exteral HDD's..

3-4-53787d ago

Zat is passetic und ya.

So what happens when people want to own more than 20 games for XB1 ?

Hopefully they have been working on a solution that works.

Codey473787d ago

Unfortunately that solution is under NDA......

Megaton3787d ago

Wait... you can't manage your storage on the bone?

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Concertoine3788d ago

wow, hard drives gonna fill up faaaaaast.
they should do this experiment on ps4.

Bigpappy3788d ago

Correct. I am sure this is not exclusive to X1. Anyway, I expect some acceptable solutions to be presented in the near future. Since the drive is built in, I would expect them to have an external option, which they already said is coming.

In the mean time I would just delete games that I would not be going back to anytime soon. 20 full games is plenty.

Concertoine3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

Yeah, but that's not including game updates, DLC, and hardware updates. And seeing how devs seem to only be getting lazier and lazier as their quality standards dwindle further to reach that beloved fall release, we're looking at some BF3 situations where there's like an additional 10 gigs of patches to get the game at a quality level. Not all cases, but an increasing number.
With all that, i'm seeing more like 16 games and a little wiggle room for good measure. An external hard drive will be a necessity a LOT sooner than we hoped.

Qrphe3788d ago

Wii U Basic ordeal all over again

ExCest3788d ago

@Concertoine

Well, game updates and hardware updates usually just overwrite older files (note: usually) so those don't really count too much. DLC does but I doubt 1-3gb DLC (and usually lower) will warrant that much space.

Concertoine3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

@ExCest
Fair enough. I just remembered having 12 gigs of BF3 updates stacked on top of each other xD i guess i could've deleted most of that >_>

SilentNegotiator3788d ago

I bet all of the marbles that there isn't over 100GB of unusable space on Ps4.

static52453788d ago

But the problem is that the X1 doesn't have any extra memory space to it until they fix the external memory. The PS4 you can at least switch the HDD. Do we know when the X1 is releasing the external storage fix?

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Sephiroushin3788d ago

Go to setting > system storage management on the PS4, it tells you how many space the PS4 has, (it should have around 408 GB of free space for you to use); how many games/apps can be installed? that I don't know, maybe it has a cap on games/applications installed at the same time (just like the PSV which is 100 apps), maybe it does not, who knows!

Concertoine3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

Thanks, +helpful. I do not yet own a ps4 or xbox one but i am interested in buying one eventually.

Why did IGN conduct this test then? Can you not see a storage menu on the xbone at this point in time? That'd be silly considering the 360 has one.

BISHOP-BRASIL3788d ago

@Concertoine

I don't have a Xbox One but from what I read that seens exactly the case: there's no option/feature to see how filled your HDD is on Xbox One. I believe this is something they'll have to update.

Visiblemarc3788d ago

You don't have to do this experiment on PS4, it clearly displays your available space. Assuming it's not misrepresentative of what's there, there would be no point.

OrangePowerz3788d ago

As Sephi said on the PS4 you can see how much space is used up.

The Xbox One doesn`t show you the amount of store available, there is no data/save game management option on the console besides of being able to uninstall games and apps, but it doesn`t say how much space it has at all and how much is used.

curtis923788d ago

1tb hybrid drive, $129 @ best buy, probably quite a bit cheaper online. I'd much rather replace the system hard drive than have some external hooked up. No idea why MS won't allow this without breaking warranty.

duli143787d ago

On the ps4 you can actually check how much memory is available and manage it accordingly, you don't have to install games untill it maxes out.

cell9893787d ago

they dont have to, because the PS4 shows the capacity of your HDD and you can tell from there how much space you got left. It would be pointless

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FITgamer3788d ago

Makes going all digital a lot more appealing, doesn't it? :s)

BISHOP-BRASIL3788d ago

Worst part is that it made going all physical complicated too! Because now we have to install every game, sometimes as big as 50gb, you can no longer just decide to play a random game of your 20+ game library, even if you have 2TB HDD, it may still require deleting and installing stuff before playing depending on the size of your games.

Yay technology. Making us wait more than we had to last gen (and that goes for both MS and Sony).

Lowsnamebrand3788d ago

Ps4 installs the data as you play I was able to boot up Killzone instantly and after 10 mins or so it said Killzone had been installed

LGM3133788d ago

Bub but how about the cloud?

MEGANE3788d ago

U see, thats what pisses me off, misleading information. and that goes for PS4 too. if they advertise 500G of storage u should be able to use it all, not 362G....how can they used over 100G of storage of the 500G? beats me!

KratosSaveUs3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

That's not possible because per installed stuff like the ui and junk take up memory. At least on PS4 you can upgrade your HDD anytime you want up to 2TB. But when I do get a Xbone (when the price comes way down) 500GB PR however much is available to use will be enough because I will only use my Xbone for exclusives like Halo.

cell9893787d ago

you bring up a good point

Bathyj3788d ago

Are you new to harddrives?

Visiblemarc3788d ago

Good question Bathyj...one has to wonder.

Back-to-Back3787d ago

It he chose an xbone he clearly
a. doesnt care about specs
b. doesnt understand specs

Either way I put him in the uninformed crowd that MS has made a killing off.

MEGANE3787d ago (Edited 3787d ago )

No... Im not, but letme ask u this; PS2 had any hard drive? Some people will say not, but I fact it has some sorth of storage for ui and other stuff but it was NOT accessible to us. Thats my point, I dont care if ui requires 200G, but if they said it come 500 y should I care if I can oly use 362G. Just freaking adv 362G.

I k it has never be like this in the history of storage devices, but when they take more than 30% off, we shoul be concern.

Can some one tell me how much of the wiiu is accessible, out of thr 32G?

StoneyYoshi3787d ago (Edited 3787d ago )

Uhm MEGANE.

Protip: Proofread your comment before you post it. It makes no sense.

On topic:
Every HDD does this. It says it is 500GB but that is not fully available to you. Same thing goes for phones, Ipod's, cameras, anything with internal storage. Its not misleading information. You just don't know how HDD's work. But i do agree that there is some space that is being taken away from you on the XB1 that makes you wonder whats taking it.

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torchic3788d ago (Edited 3788d ago )

it has never, EVER been like that for ANY storage device in the history of forever, from electronic devices to actual hard storage devices (well in recent history)

even when you buy those tiny little MicroSD cards you never get the amount specified on the box.

how old are you? there's no way a person over 13yo would not know this by now.

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-Foxtrot13h ago

Microsoft have Obsidian but I feel it's Bethesda who just don't want to play ball as they've always said they want to do it themselves.

Once MS bought Zenimax in 2020 they should have put the Outer Worlds 2 on the back burner, allow Bethesda to finish off its own Space RPG with Starfield (despite totally different tone why have two in your first party portfolio with two developers who's gameplay is a tad similar) and got Obsidian for one of their projects to make a spiritual successor to New Vegas.

When the Elder Scrolls VI is finished Bethesda can then onto the main numbered Fallout 5 themselves.

The Outer Worlds 2 started development in 2019 so putting it on the back burner wouldn't have been the end of the world, they'd have always come back to it once Fallout was done and it would have been nicely spaced out from Starfields release once they had most likely stopped supporting it and all the expansions were released.

If they did this back in 2020 when they bought Zenimax and the game had a good, steady 4 - 5 years development, you might have seen it release in 2025.

We are literally going to be waiting until 2030 at the very earliest for Fallout 5 and all they seem bothered about is pushing Fallout 76.

RaidenBlack11h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Its not just only Todd not playing ball.
Obsidian have made a name for themselves in delivering stellar RPGs, but most famous once have always been sequels/spin-offs to borrowed IPs like KOTOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Fallout: New Vegas, Stick of Truth etc.
Obsidian wants to invest more in their own original IPs like Outer Worlds or Pillars of Eternity with Avowed.
Similar to what Bluepoint & inXile wants to do or Kojima is doing (i.e not involving anymore in Konami's IPs).
So yea, even if New Vegas has the most votes from 3D Fallout fans, Obsidian just wants to do their own thing, like any aspiring dev studio and MS is likely currently respecting that.
But a future Fallout game from Obsidian will surely happen. Founder Feargus Urquhart has already stated an year ago that they're eager to make a new Fallout game with Bethesda, New Vegas 2 or otherwise. Urquhart was the director of the very first 1995's Fallout game after all.
And don't forget Brian Fargo and his studio inXile, as Brian Fargo was the director of Fallout's 1988 predecessor: Wasteland

KyRo7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Obsidian should take over the FO IP. They're do far better with it than Bethesda who hasn't made a great game for almost 15 years

RaidenBlack1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

@KyRo
So, by 15 years, you mean Fallout 3 was the last great game Bethesda made?
You don't consider Skyrim a good game, which came out 13 years ago?
I'd consider Fallout 4 a pretty decent game as well. It's Story & RPG elements were a bit downgrade from New Vegas but the exploration and shooting on the other hand, were upgrades.
FO76 was disappointing and Starfield could've been better at launch I'll agree.

Duke197h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I disagree. Part of these games is the support for the mod community. If they move to releasing a "next game" every 2 or 3 years, the modding support plummets and the franchises turn into just another run of the mill RPG.

Make the games good enough to withstand the test of time, to keep people coming back to them and expanding on them with mod support.

--Onilink--4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I dont think anyone is saying they need to come out every 2 years (not to mention almost no game is released that quickly anymore)

By the time Fallout 5 comes out, it will be more than 15 years since Fallout 4 came out (same with ES6 coming out 15 years after Skyrim). Even if you want to use F76 as the metric for the most recent release, that one came out in 2018. It will be a miracle if F5 comes out before 2030

The point is that for a studio that doesnt seem to operate with multiple teams doing several projects at once, that their projects normally take 4-5 years as a minimum, and that now they even added Starfield to the rotation, it becomes a 15+ years waiting period between releases for each series, which doesnt make sense. Imagine that Nintendo only released a mainline Mario or Zelda game every 15 years…

They either need to start developing more than 1 project at a time, let someone else take a crack at one of the IPs or significantly reduce their development times

Duke192h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs? Look at what happened to Final Fantasy as a recent example - there is pretty clear FF fatigue setting in because they are now pumping out titles in the franchise every few years. Pumping out more games faster doesn't always make a series better.

There are plenty of options to make new games, not just create more titles in the same universe at a faster pace.

-Foxtrot28m ago

"Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs"

He's literally just told you why

We're waiting like 15 years before a sequel comes out, it's insane

Skyrim came out in 2011, the next game is expected to come out in 2027 at the earliest so that's 16 years apart while Fallout 4 came out in 2015 and might not release until 2031, again 16 years.

We're fine with Bethesda trying new things and doing new IPs like Starfield but adding a new game to the cycle now means a bigger wait. Also Starfield didn't meet most peoples expectations, can you imagine waiting 15 years or so for a sequel and it's disappointing? It would feel even worse because you would have to wait another 15 years to see if they manage to come back from it.

They need to give it to another developer, we don't need main numbered titles but a spin off of Fallout and Elder Scrolls should be cycled in between the long gaps of the main releases.

Once again you are making out people want these games as quick as possible when all we want is a standard development time of at least 4 years or so rather than waiting 15.

mandf4h ago

Yeah I’m going to say it, who cares about the modding community when making a game? Half the time developers only tolerate modders because they fix there game for them.

Skuletor6h ago

Yeah, let's all advocate for smaller gaps between series' releases, then we'll probably get headlines about how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven. Let them cook.

SimpleSlave4h ago

"how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven" So every Bethesda game then? Got it.

Listen, I would agree if this was about From Software or something, but Bethesda?

🤣

C'mon now. What timeline are you from?

Skuletor2h ago

Think about it, they're already bug filled messes on their current schedule, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they rushed things?

-Foxtrot25m ago

@Skuletor

Who's saying to rush the releases? No one is saying that...

People just don't want to be waiting 15 years for a sequel, they aren't working on the game for that long, you do realise that right? The issue isn't coming down to them working on the game and us "rushing them", it's the fact they are working on other games like Starfield now meaning bigger gaps before they even get started on them.

I bet you any more Elder Scrolls VI only entered full development last year when Starfield was finished despite being announced in 2018.

Duke192h ago

I mean you aren't wrong. People are going to complain about anything

isarai5h ago

Hows about you focus on quality, just a thought 🤷‍♂️

Sciurus_vulgaris4h ago

Bethesda [or Microsoft] would have to reallocate internal and external studios towards fallout and elder scrolls titles. Bethesda has the issue of developing 2 big IPs that are large RPGs on rotation. If you want more Fallout and Elder Scrolls, development will have to be outsourced.

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