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Sequel Showdown: Fallout 3 vs. Fallout: New Vegas

Hardcore Gamer: This past week, the teaser site “thesurvivor2299.com” updated to reveal new information. Based on the information, it is clear the site is either a countdown to the announcement of Fallout 4 or an extremely elaborate internet hoax. Either way, a new Fallout game is all but inevitable, so let's take a look back at the last two Fallout games and see how they stack up against each other.

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-Foxtrot3792d ago (Edited 3792d ago )

Yup

Fallout New Vegas felt it was lacking and I know people liked the factions but it really created more problems...if you did a certain mission before another one it could mess up the entire quest line for that faction. You could argue it's the entire point of multiple replays but in these types of games I like sticking to one save file and playing the entire game shaping my character and coillection as much good loot as I can. I don't want to be punished because I accidently did a certain mission for one faction and now can't do a quest for the other one to get a good reward.

The multiple endings had that problem, again choice is good but you have to allow a way for us to get gear/weapons in all endings someway or another. Some ways might be harder if you do one faction faction ending while in another the weapon/gear might just be given to you. So hopefully we won't see much of that in Fallout 3

I do want them to bring back a perk for each level, they took it out of NV because they thought people were becoming over powered in Fallout 3 but then again it's their job to make sure that dosen't happen. If they make it so the early perks arn't as powerful and make them better the more your progress then it wouldn't be a problem but I do think you should be allowed in the very end once you've worked your arse off to get everything to the max level. You could do it in F3 with the SPECIAL if you got a perk in the DLC THEN go collect the bobble heads to raise it to 10.

Vegas it's self was pretty small, I thought more of the city would of survived but the main problem was the loading times since you went back and forth alot and couldn't go the section you wanted, you had to go outside of Vegas. Don't see why once you've loading the area EVERYTHING in the city/town whatever is free to explore, you have the entire map to explore without a loading screen so why not smaller areas.

Finally Fallout NV had roughly the same content but the size of Fallout 3 was better. Some people say it's the same but theres a bigger invisible wall in NV which takes a chunk of the border. I never understood why aswell you couldn't climb over mountains in NV, invisible walls were a b****, you could do it sometimes in Fallout 3 but in NV it was a lot worse.

-Foxtrot3792d ago (Edited 3792d ago )

Please challenge me if your going to disagree....what I speak is the truth

You choose a side/faction in NV and you could end up ticking off the wrong faction locking yourselfs out of missions.

EDIT: Below

"Is there a point arguing against delusion? Come on."

LOL...how is that post delusional

No...not arguing is just laziness.

Blacktric3792d ago (Edited 3792d ago )

"Please challenge me if your going to disagree....what I speak is the truth"

Is there a point arguing against delusion? Come on.

Omegasyde3792d ago

Ok I disagree with your points and here is why:

"Finally Fallout NV had roughly the same content but the size of Fallout 3 was better."

False. Fallout NV had more sidequest sand more "land marks" You also had way more choices and cooler perks. I will agree that the atmosphere was cooler in Fallout 3 (and I live in Las Vegas). Also the Invisible walls were in Fallout 3, where in New Vegas - the designers mostly made terrain you couldn't climb - Which to me made more sense (vegas in a valley afterall).
Also New Vegas had way more weapons and equipment to choose from, but this was expected as it was somewhat of a sequel.

".if you did a certain mission before another one it could mess up the entire quest line for that faction. You could argue it's the entire point of multiple replays but in these types of games I like sticking to one save file and playing the entire game shaping my character and coillection as much good loot as I can"

That's the whole point of Choice. Choose one way or the other. I only beat new vegas once, and I was evil as they come - yet still picked the ending where I killed Ceasar. In Fallout 3, you had pretty much one story, Go find dad. You have a few options like blow up the nuke etc. but not nearly as much in New Vegas.

My opinion
Story <--- Fallout 3
Gameplay <---- New Vegas
Atmosphere <----Fallout 3
Ending and endgame <----- New Vegas
Customization, choices, and side quests <---New vegas
Better Bad guys <----- New Vegas
DLC <--- Fallout 3
Bugs/glitches/gamefreezes <---- Tie!

mistajeff3792d ago

Play the open freeside mod on PC. It restores freeside to how it was supposed to be before they gutted a lot of random activity so the game could run on console.

Also, bear a couple things in mind. Fallout 3 handled the fallout lore in an extremely sloppy way. The GECK isn't some magic box that transforms the land around where it's set off. The tribals in fallout 2 THOUGHT it did that because, well, they're tribals. It's a box with seeds, instructions, and a cold fusion reactor. The presence and actions of the factions in 3 make no sense after fallout 2. And an AI? There's some pretty detailed explanations in the fallout bible about exactly why the creators of the fallout universe opted not to include AI because it doesn't fit the 50s brand of retro sci-fi they wanted. Human brains in robot bodies? Sure. But not AI.

The atmosphere of 3 would make sense if the game took place before fallout 1, but how did any of these pockets of people survive for 200 years without learning how to farm? I can't figure out what anyone eats in fallout 3. They certainly can't survive on canned food over 200 years old, but that's all that's lying around. New Vegas has share croppers, farming communities and co-ops. In fallout 1 the first community you come across is a farming village. Fallout 3's world is aesthetically powerful, but ultimately lacks believability and character.

To each their own, both games are awesome and which is "better" is a matter of opinion (except in regards to reactivity). But the world of New Vegas is clearly more well thought out.

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KRUSSIDULL3792d ago

I think Fallout New Vegas was better overall thanks to http://fallout.wikia.com/wi...

MrSwankSinatra3792d ago

i played new vegas on hardcore, and i wasn't worth it imo. you get no type of incentive after beating it, just a stupid trophy. i suppose you can argue it enhanced the gaming experience but for me it made my experience too long and redundant.

Omegasyde3792d ago

@mrswank

It made the process longer. I thought it was cool at first because you had to carry water/food but it was not that much more challenging.

I would of preferred harder enemies that came out after sunset too.

Nujabes_3793d ago

Fallout 3 had a better atmosphere.

Neoninja3793d ago

Well I feel that Fallout 3 is better, but New Vegas is more like Fallout 1 and 2.
I do think the characters are better in New Vegas and it seemed more alive.
Other than that Fallout 3 takes it all the way.

ToastyMcNibbles3792d ago (Edited 3792d ago )

Fallout 3 is the better overall experience but I do favor New Vegas for the improvements to gameplay and the way you can literally shape the world of New Vegas as you see fit with multiple endings and factions. I also enjoyed how all the DLC was connected from a narrative perspective.

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Fallout 3's Reveal Led To Death Threats And Bethesda's First Security Guard

The artist behind Fallout 4’s Deathclaw reveals just how bad things got back when Bethesda took over the series

anast14m ago

People are stupid I get it. No one should feel unsafe,

But I think they need to talk about why they cut so many corners during the development process and why none of their games ever look current. And why they think all of this is okay while they charge full price.

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What Made Fallout 3 One Hell of a Game?

Bethesda's post-apocalyptic RPG remains an unabashed classic, more than a decade and a half on from its launch.

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ZeekQuattro2d ago

For me its the fact that I could put hundreds of hours into it and still find areas I missed in my earlier runs. It was also my first FO and despite what I had to put up with at times such as overall crashs and killing my orginal PS3 with the YLOD it's still my favorite entry to this day.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Tons of reasons

But my silly little one…hunting for unique weapons and armour

Something Fallout 4 just didn’t really have as much because they replaced most of it with randomly generated customised weapons. Even Elder Scrolla doesn't do it as well.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I remember during my first playthrough of Fallout 4 back in 2015 I somehow got an automatic combat rifle that shot explosive rounds by defeating a legendary creature. Unfortunately that was the only playthrough I ever got that weapon. It's a shame because it was absolutely epic!

Vits2d ago

Sense of exploration. That was why older Bethesda games were so good. They might have had glitches, broken mechanics, meh visuals, etc., but they were some of the best around when it came down to the sense of exploration. You could go wherever you wanted and you would find something cool; it might have been a faction, a weapon, an enemy and much more. And that is what they are lacking now. Skyrim still had a lot of that, but Fallout 4 dropped it by focusing on an interconnected world and more randomly generated rewards. Fallout 76 just kept that trend and added multiplayer, and Starfield went even further in killing it by creating a whole universe with parts completely isolated from each other.

EazyC1d 22h ago

I think the retrospective of Fallout: New Vegas' existence has somewhat diminished the view of Fallout 3 in the eyes of many, but it getting out of the vault in Fallout 3 was, for me, the most remarkable experience I've had in a videogame.

I was 12 when it came out, and I remember I just saw the score it got in Gamemaster magazine (remember those!? 😅), and I just went to the shop and bought it with my pocket money.

Not knowing anything about the game, I thought the whole thing was going to be about growing up in a vault, especially given that I'd spent about 2 hours in it....I literally could.not.believe it when you got out and it was just this wasteland on every direction. Amazing.

Tody_ZA1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Probably because these Bethesda games were hand crafted so that exploration meant something. Unlike Starfield where this sense of exploration is replaced with the illusion of scope and procedurally generated worlds. A player can always appreciate when they wonder into an unforgettable new encounter by accident or stumble across a new questline that becomes their favourite. Just like a player can always tell when they're ploughing through filler on auto pilot, that they'll forget the moment some resource numbers go up and nothing worth remembering occurred.

I mean, in Fallout 3 you could nuke an entire town as a SIDE QUEST. In The Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim, the Dark Brotherhood questlines were my favourite in any RPGs and you could completely avoid them if you didn't care for them. In The Witcher 3 side quests take you on ridiculously dark and mysterious storylines that are some of the best I've played in RPG history. There's a reason why people still talk about KOTOR to this day. Difference between a developer creating something or just padding a game world with stuff.

Fist4achin1d 18h ago

There were some side quests that could yld have been developed into an entirely separate game. Some great writing there.

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Fallout Anthology Edition Looks Pretty S.P.E.C.I.A.L.

The Fallout Anthology Edition is coming to PC very soon, and is packaged with some very S.P.E.C.I.A.L. bonuses.

-Foxtrot11d ago

It’s an awful downgrade to the last one they did

They included physical disc back then

ocelot079d ago

Forgot I ordered this until I got the dispatch email.

FPS_D3TH9d ago

I want the first two games to come to iPhone/android

Friendlygamer9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

I would love the classic fallout games on console. Closest I could find was atom rpg, I liked that one a lot

saint_seya9d ago

I though it was a new Killzone when i saw the image, looks like a hellghast..