Forza 5 On Xbox One Graphics Downgraded From E3 Build

Can you guess which Forza screen belongs to which build? Is the left or right the Xbox One? Can you tell? Is the left or right the E3 build? Can you tell? I'll give you a hint: The E3 build is the one with additional light passes, higher refraction, deeper shadow grades and per-object self-shadowing. Have you figured out which one is which?

[mhunterjr]

Having seen this two still images side by side, Forza 5 has suddenly become less fun. Thank you cinemablend /s

[MysticStrummer]

Ah yes, the "sarcastic comment that ignores the point" approach.

Well done.

[mhunterjr]

Well, please explain the point to me. Because I see a Launch game that didn't quite reach ALL of the development goals, But it still looks good and has still been well received. This is nothing new and isn't unique to any console...

So yeah, I'll be the first to admit, the point is lost on me.

[mikeslemonade]

Gran Turismo 7 will finish the fight. Racing is lame though.

[guitarded77]

Maybe they forgot to install more cloud.

[pompombrum]

Let him be, he knows the truth.. it's not because of a downgrade, the cloud was just down! Once the almighty cloud comes back up, it'll be pumping this bad boy out in all it's 4k glory.

/s

[hulk_bash1987]

In all honesty a slight downgrade is not a big deal, as long as the core gameplay mechanics are still intact and fun then that is all that really matters. Just like when everyone was jumping on Killzone Shadowfall for allegedly having downgraded graphics, I did not notice it at all while playing nor does it affect how much fun I have playing the game.

[ShinMaster]

Here's the previous comparison, in case anyone missed it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
Some downgrades are more obvious than others.

Not sure how the Western media missed the flat textures, low poly environments, baked and blurrier shadows and lower content(compared to previous games in the series).

[Anarki]

Lets be honest. One was running on a super PC at E3 and the other is running on a console.

Is this native 1080p? there's a huge difference between the 2.

[Mr Marvel]

@hulkbash1987

I thought Killzone's graphics had been improved greatly since E3 due to all the lighting effects being added.

...or so I read on several sites.

[Dan_scruggs]

The visual downgrade Uncharted 2 received (look it up) didn't result in a worse game. Most games have a visual downgrade from the demo builds. Doesn't make the game any less good.

[deecee33]

For those of you discussing it someone at NeoGAF did a comparison of KZSF at E3 versus now. The final build is actually *much* better looking, dead serious.

[corvusmd]

Especially since they are in different lighting and not a fair comparison. I guess when you're not having fun actually playing games, you just sit around all day trying to ruin other peoples fun.

[ziggurcat]

I'll remember that the next time you ramble on about a Sony game's graphics being "downgraded"

[ShinMaster]

Flatter textures, lower poly environments, aliasing, baked and blurrier shadows, lack of ambient lighting and AO and lower content(compared to previous games in the series)
http://images.eurogamer.net...
Time to accept the facts.
http://i.imgur.com/aOEwJbe....
Same lighting. Just worse.

[PSX04]

this isn't the only downgraded game on Xbox one ... what about ryse son of Rome .... Xbox one = higher price with lower performance

[Sono421]

Okay let me explain the points for you :)

1. Decieveing: They showed a game earlier that they knew couldn't be performed on the final hardware.. so when the game was released the final version looked nothing like what was shown before launch. i mean if your okay with being lied to than sure this is a non issue.

2. Weak: If this is what's required to do in order to get 60 fps 1080p isn't that a bit sad? Especially when that advertisement they released a little while ago listed 1080p as a feature. How you people completely ignore the warning signs is ridiculous to me. Even ghosts can't run over 720p... Forza is using paper looking crowds! Thats some ps2 stuff right there..

[mhunterjr]

What they showed the game at e3 it was in development. Games often change quite a bit from the first time the are demoed to the time they are released. Anyone who based their expectations of Forza on the e3 demo, despite the fact that there is plenty of more recent media from which to gain an impression, have no one to blame but themselves.

Ignoring warning signs? Warnings of what? That the Xbox is less powerful than the ps4? There is no need for any signs. The spec sheet shows that very clearly. But I can't play a spec sheet. I play games. And I determine the quality of a game by how fun it is, not by how many pixels it pushes or how closely it resembles it's debut footage. Silly me.

What's sad is that people have become so preoccupied with visuals, that folks have completlely forgotten what gaming is about. Look at the lineup of both consoles. forget graphics for a minute. tell me one game that has brought something to GAMEPLAY that hasn't been done in previous generations? Forza, with its cloud powered AI is the ONLY ONE. To me, that's FAR more disappointing than resolution gate, or graphical downgrades.

So yeah, I still don't get the point.

[supes_24]

Exactly! Sono421, you took the words put of my mouth. I want an Xbox but after everything I've seen since day one has put me off. I'm a gamer and want both systems but after all the deceit, they can forget about getting my money. Too much lying involved on there part and can't be trusted IMO.

[Sono421]

Are you serious right now? No warning signs? How about the fact that Microsoft lies every time they open their mouths? Or the fact at the beginning they tried screwing gamer's over in the worst way possible? Or the fact that they are still trying to lie and say the cloud is the Xbox one's saving grace? They were even idiotic enough to say that the Xbox One is more powerful! Like seriously i'm sure you can put some idiotic fanboy spin on all those other things.. but the Xbox One being the weaker console is a well known fact. If you can't understand that they are just full of sh*t than I truly feel sorry for you.

As for your "what they showed was still in development" argument... usually that means from then on things will get BETTER not worse... like seriously how are you defending them releasing a game that's worse then what they've been demoing the whole time before launch?

How are you so okay with getting lied to at every turn? I literally get headaches trying to understand that.

[mhunterjr]

Lol Can you even read? I said 'who needs warning signs' to see that the PS4 is more powerful when you can just look at the spec sheets...then I said I don't play spec sheets, I play games. There's no fanboy logic needed here, because I don't play games based on which system they come out on (i will own them all), I play based on how fun they are.

As far as games getting 'better' since their E3 build that isn't necessarily true either... typically games are just 'different' from their e3 build as developers make tweaks and chances to deliver an experience as close to their goals as possible. A good developer will get gameplay right before nailing all the graphical stuff. Game development is a moving target, especially when developer tools are still being finalized prior to a consoles launch. It's has nothing to do with deception. It has everything to do with tight schedules and the need to prioritize.

I understand your still hurt over drm, but anyone who's ever been involved in project management or engineering knows what it takes to deliver a product to market. And sometimes making and delivering a good product ON-TIME, means focusing core design, and cutting back on aesthetics. That's what happened here, and it happens ALL THE TIME with e3 demos. And Sony is, very famously, no exception. And it's really no big deal as long as the games are fun.

[WiiUsauce]

these Sony guys on N4G 24-7 clinging on to every little shred of negative Xbox One and Wii U posts. Don't they have a new console to be playing? Why are they here trolling every single hour of every single day?? lol

[MrSwankSinatra]

And you must be on every article to even know that. Don't you have games to play?

[Games_R_Us]

Wow, have you actually played it? Or are screenshot comparisons what we base gameplay on? I have it, am playing it and loving it. People need to realise games change from E3 builds and refinements to game are made. Its a load of fun Forza 5 and I highly recommend it.

[medman]

The problem I have with Forza 5 as an outsider who has not played it, but has played it's previous iterations is this...this is supposed to be next gen so why are we not getting realistic weather or day night cycles? Why the limited number of cars and tracks? The game is pretty enough, even though I can't believe people are ready to let Microsoft off the hook for all their bullshot. They ran all their games on high end pc's pushing far more power than the xbone has and that was established early on at E3 and didn't change right up to launch. That is unacceptable. Getting back to the issue..when Gran Turismo 7 launches for PS4, I know that tracks, weather, lighting, day/night, etc. etc. won't be a problem. Why is it always an issue with Forza?

[Evilsnuggle]

Shinmaster*** The so called game western media aka gamespot or polygon are in microscams pocket. And never report bad news about M$. Lower res or downgrades go unnoticed and non reported.

[medman]

It was established long ago that everything Microsoft was running pre-launch at shows was on high end pc's with more power than would be available in the Xbone. So if you fell for the bait and switch that is a you problem. We tried to tell you.

[Moncole]

Almost every console game does this, its not surprising at all. They are called bullshots.

[cyguration]

Nintendo games don't do this.

I'm not trying to start something... it's just, I've seen this excuse a lot but none of Nintendo games (or any of the PS4s, as far as I can tell) have had to downgrade following bullshots and promo trailers.

[Moncole]

Thats why I said almost and not every game because there are a few devs who actually show how their game looks.

[Gamer1982]

Thats because nintendo games look like cartoons to be fair. They dont try to go for realism. Lets see what happens with this new Zelda shall we? I bet you it will look nothing like the E3 demo we last saw.

[candoa]

Sony does this remember killzone 2 e3 footage, now compare that to the killzone 2 real footage. Now lets look at deep down when it was showed at the ps4 reveal date, now compare it to new footage. every developer does that the thing is that n4sony only focuses on microsoft bad press. Why don't you sony fanboys talk about how your getting charge to play online? why don't you guys focus on fixing your console? oh I know the excuses.. ps+ is a good deal, yeah keep telling yourself that I had a ps3 and I never once needed or wanted ps+ believe or not some people don't give a crap about old games that they have played already.

[SniperControl]

@candoa

"Sony does this remember killzone 2 e3 footage, now compare that to the killzone 2 real footage"

Actually, it is universally recognised that the final release graphics of KZ2 were better than the E3 KZ2 graphics footage.

I still remember the bullshot that MS released for Gears of War.

http://www.abload.de/img/ge...

[Hicken]

No, not almost every game does that.

At best, what they'll have at E3 is CG footage, which gameplay rarely ever lives up to. But the E3 build was playable. And it was played many times after that, all with the E3 build.

Most games don't then have a rather drastically downgraded retail version. And bullshots are touched up images, typically, not demos.

Edit: This isn't a "little" downgrade, though.

[Moncole]

They use a PC to show off the game and than they downgrade it a little to run on a console.

[OrangePowerz]

Turn 10 should be still called out on it. Killzone 2 got bashed into oblivion for using a CG trailer.

[r21]

Except Killzone Shadowfall.

[medman]

Sony didn't have to do this with the PS4. Infamous Second Son looks great and it's a huge open world game. The Division stunned and it was supposedly running on a PS4 dev kit. There are many other games I could mention, but when you look at what has been released thus far for PS4, I don't have to. They look as they showed prelaunch, or better, at launch. You can't say the same for Microsoft's titles, excepting maybe Ryse, which apparently looks great but plays like hot garbage.

[Software_Lover]

10 "article" about the same thing.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

And it is nothibg bit a lie from the folks on the other side.
No other major gaming site said reported tjis while reviewing the final retail version of the game.

[Software_Lover]

I don't know if it's a lie or not, I'm just saying why can't people just continue to discuss it on the hot article.

It's the same with the ps4/xbox defect articles. Make a problem seem worse than it is by constantly submitting different articles about the same issue.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Xbox gamers ignore this article this has been debumked by several gamers.
More lies and Fud again.

[CaEsAr-]

How's this a lie?

[FrigidDARKNESS]

This story was stared on Neogaf(sonyGaf) three days ago and it was debunked by several gamers with real pics from x1 gameplay. No other major gaming site reported this in their reviews of Forza 5. The article was made up by a random fanboy on Gaf.

[pyramidshead]

@frigiddarkness

The story was started off of Digital foundry's detailed analysis of the game. You should go read it frigy. Enlighten yourself and take your green tinted hat off that you and others 'from the other side(lol your favourite quote)' like to don.

[Kayant]

"The article was made up by a random fanboy on Gaf"

Yet you believed this article ---> http://n4g.com/news/1345792... which was based off info from Misterx's magical insider that as so far been proved 100% false.

Please do tell us more loool....

[pyramidshead]

You people from the other side are so insecure, you could have just ignored the article and be confident that the downgrades don't exist. Especially you frigy ;).

[Enemy]

You can't debunk evidence with a simple opinion. Evidence is fact.

[Wingsfan24]

Actually, I don't care about his claims at all to be honest and I'm not going to waste my time to prove him wrong. I own Forza 5, I've played and it looks great, having said that l, now I'll be called a fan boy. Its a lose lose situation on this site and the popular opinion will always win. So what's the point of trying to prove him wrong?

[EXVirtual]

Lies? Are you serious? It's downgraded! Simple fact! Take the wool AWAY from your eyes.
The photos are right in front of you. If you can't see downgraded textures and inferior lighting... wow.

[CGI-Quality]

Um, the info comes straight from Digital Foundry, a trusted analysis. What are you on about?

[Angels3785]

This Article got its information on how the game works, runs and plays from DIGITAL FOUNDRY and their expert analysis....gaf was only mentioned to have been a stepping stone to look into the topic more from EXPERTS.

The article is not based on gaf's findings in the slightest....

[kenshiro100]

Looooool, you're funny./s

[NarooN]

Lol @ dat damage control.

[GarrusVakarian]

Your denial astounds me. Its clear from every livestream, every youtube video that it has been downgraded in the retail build.

You dismiss professional analysis but agree completely with "misterx" and his completely false predictions and lies?

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

@frigid
dance, monkey, DANCE!!!!

[first1NFANTRY]

"5 billion transistors"

"rocket science level stuff"

[Ninjamonkey82]

As bad as false advertising imo. E3 they pop it up on PCs and show people hat they think there getting then run out the games at launch and anyone in the know see they ain't getting what was promised. Tbh its not fair they arfe charging a lot more and they are telling people its worth it. But imo they have to do more than just spout the words hopefully the upcoming games can do a lot more than the launch titles.

Like all consoles this is the launch window and they have room to improve so i will still pick up a x1 next year. I'm pretty sure down the line Halos etc there will be some big hitters even the next Forza down the line.

But its a serious shame they didn't bring fcuk all with them at launch.

Its all good saying you have the best launch titles but when they look like there at home on the x360 whats the use in them.

[Double_O_Revan]

Wow. That's a pretty big difference.

All the detail lost in that building is the most noticeable. But even the road has a big loss.

[B1uBurneR]

Can some one tell me which of the next gen support .mkv

[first1NFANTRY]

good question! i would also like to know this as i play alot of mkv videos on my console.

[Skate-AK]

Neither of them do. Microsoft is afraid of patient issues. Sony might patch it in later. We will just have to see.

[Boody-Bandit]

I TOLD YOU SO!
As one of the biggest Forza fans on the internet I have been saying all along this game will end up only being a mild bump in visuals from 4 to 5. Now that it's obvious I am cooking up some crow pie to those that disagreed with me and were blowing up my PM with nonsense.

This is why this game is able to run @1080p 60fps. It has half the content of Forza 4 and slight improvement in graphics. This game almost looks like it could have been done on X1 hardware. Will you MS loyalist FINALLY admit most of the X1 exclusive games were rushed?

Ryse, nothing need be said.
KI - barely enough content for an XBL game.
Forza 5 - half the content of 4 with a bump, not leap, in visuals.

Crow Pie fresh out of the oven.
Come get some while it's hot!

[iGamerZero24]

Lol , I knew you T off on yet another M$ rushed water down game and system , I have it and it's barely above F4. I fell like idiot buying XB1 to be honest.....

[Boody-Bandit]

Someone has to be a voice of reason and try to steer the misguided to the light. This is nothing like they showed at E3 and they need to be called out for it. With ALL their blathering about this game being the "definitive" racing game yet again and it's nothing more than Prologue version. Yet they charge full MSRP.

So many hardcore Forza fans turned away from the series with 4 because of the extreme nickel and diming of Turn 10. I am finally going to join them.

[Boody-Bandit]

Here is a list of what they stripped out of the Forza 5 over 4.

400 cars and over a dozen tracks gone. NO Nurburgring - WTF!
No Public lobbies
No Clubs
No gifting of cars or paints anymore
Free Play has been stripped.
No Auction House or Storefront.
Tuning has been dumbed down
No community leaderboards. Instead they offset with rival leaderboards
No affinity for car parts.
Intrusive monetizing offers which are eight times more expensive than FM4

I would love to interview guys like Adam Sessler and say, "seriously look me in the eye and explain to me why you gave this game a perfect score." He is nothing more than a shill and officially has zero credibility.

They are taken DLC to a ludicrous extreme. I can only hope this blows up in their face. Gamers can't be this gullible. If they succeed all hope is lost for this industry. Half a game and raise their prices on DLC which is already out of control.

I almost never purchase DLC, you probably know that, but I did pay for the Forza 4 season pass and roughly 40% of what they released wasn't covered under it. They literally have no shame. I doubt I will ever play another Forza game.

[Belking]

lol...look at all the fanboy hate because Forza is one of the best launch games out there. Still looks better than drive club even if it's downgraded...lol oh,it's from the usher guy who writes nothing but negative xbox articles. Butthurt indeed.

[Kayant]

Yh through your magical upscaler googles it sure does :p

[MysticStrummer]

"Still looks better than drive club even if it's downgraded"

Forza didn't look better than Drive Club even before it was downgraded.

[Destrania]

I shouldn't even be responding to you, but the fact that you said Forza looks better than Driveclub shows how sick you are in the head, especially with all the upgrades Evolution made in the latest build clips. Forza 5 doesn't even match GT6. smh.

[DigitalRaptor]

FM5 looks barely better than FM4. It's also the lowest rated main entry Forza game by a substantial margin.

We've been telling you that baked in lighting, poorly rendered environments, next to no dynamic track conditions and severe lack of content is what allows it to render 1080p and 60fps, but it only took fundamental downgraded evidence once the game releases to prove this to you loyalists.

That downgrade is such a disgraceful and downright misleading offence. That, along with the horrible and insulting rip-off DLC they've got going too, I'm surprised you guys are even continuing to support Turn 10.

DriveClub looked better than the final build of FM5 about 2-3 months ago, if not earlier. When it releases early next year it will look leaps and bounds better.

http://gifs.gamersyde.com/g...
http://gifs.gamersyde.com/g...
http://gifs.gamersyde.com/g...
http://gifs.gamersyde.com/g...

Show me a gif/video of the final build of Forza 5 that is as detailed, or as dynamic as DriveClub is or will be?

[GarrusVakarian]

Look at the GIF's DigitalRaptor just posted and honestly tell me if you think Forza 5 looks better than that.....it's just not possible. Driveclub looks leagues better than Forza 5, day/night cycles, dynamic lighting, hand crafted backgrounds, better textures, better everything....its a no brainer.

I mean, look at the 1st and 3rd GIF's....they look damn near REAL! Denial can do crazy things to a persons eyesight.

[tehpees3]

I'm surprised people can keep defending this. This isn't a CG thing. It was a genuine playable demo that looked better. Every day more things crop up about this system and it is really making me wonder.

Why would you buy an XBO over a PS4 at this point? In recent years MS have not only come out with the least amount of exclusives but also they are much lower in quality then the others.

Halo is sinking without Bungie and they have killed Rare.

[Pyro2000x]

FORZA 5 at E3 was running on a High End PC thats why LOL

[retrofly]

If its that bad why isn't everyone complaining?

Its the fist time I've ntoiced, to me its no biggie.

[NateCole]

I am not surprised one bit.

[mitford]

end of the day what ever you guys do or don't say this game is amazing end of

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Didn't people know this when MS came out with the Xbone. They are Jack of all trades King of none, I mean when you want a console to do everything there are some sacrifices you have to make and in MS's case it was game performance.

Sony caught MS with their pants down with the Feb announcment and they didn't have a good lineup to release at that time so they had that time to twerk 360 games into Xbone games and also Xbone games had to cut corners to release early so as to not show a barebones release on launch

[Pillsbury1]

Yet somehow Adam sessler have this game a 5 out of 5, LOL.

[WMANUW]

Because forza5 worked on pc at e3 ,like dd3...

[Hyper_Tension140]

4orza 5 is a good game, the only problem....is on xbox one!

[PersonMan]

Is this surprising anyone? E3 was played on PC wasn't it? Next Gen was hyped up to be beastly machines, but they're just not as powerful as they thought. They're just low-grade PCs.

[S2Killinit]

thats because microsoft had xbone games running on PCs before. its PS4 all the way this generation for me so i could care less at this point. (maybe ill get the xbone when its cheaper down the line)

[buynit]

Walks away to play forza 5 and ki again....

Maybe ill make more videos for you to look for shadows and lines while i enjoy the game.. Bash it all you want the game looks beautiful and at the moment the ps4 has nothing to match it to... Their was driveclub, but it didnt hit the mark..

[Brute_Shot_Adam]

I've been playing forza for the past 3 hours, it looks and plays great. I couldn't care less.

I'm just trying to be ironic replying.

There should be a article about how Xbox one doesn't have voice messaging and the lack for mic options.

[Dante81]

I wonder where they put that PC version.

[Meatyboy]

This console war has made me visit n4g less and less. It has brought up the most pointless and childish discussion, its getting really pathetic and boring now. Im getting embarrassed to call myself a gamer as then id be associating myself to some of the losers on this site.

[ceed911]

I think you mean most of the losers on this site. Can't complain about hardware issues so they attack minor graphical changes that I am sure happened on the PS4 at conventions as well.

Grow up, I'm having a great time with my new hardware and enjoying all these games.

[Meatyboy]

Im not sure if you're serious or winding me up because this is exactly what i was talking about. I wasn't siding with any console, which both look cool btw. Im all for a good argument but as soon as someone reads something negative about their console they just attack them.

Anyone else fed up of this shit? N4g is turning into a miserable place.

[Clarence]

Well the power of the cloud should help.

[Hyper_Tension140]

Just make sure its cloudy outside before you play.

[RCslayer]

Why I wounder, running on a High end PC, nah Microsoft would never do that.

[marcofdeath]

WOW!!! This will be the last time I post anything on this fraudulent inaccurate website. I personally own Forza motorsports 5. So just out of coincidence I decided to try and see if I can find those spots in the game with the downgrades,I did not.
I am accusing the people who post these stories of being fraudulent and representing a mischaracterization of the truth.
I challenge anyone to turn on their Xbox one and go to the race course in question, Prague and actually show themselves in the picture playing a downgraded version of Forza 5. You will not.
Why? Because it's a misleading lie that this and other websites have continued to spew.
Ps4 is truly underperforming if you and other websites are misleading gamers in this fashion the credibility of this website is shit..... it's just too bad that this website would not allow me to post images which completely disapprove this lie, but I will not worry about it anymore because most of you will go to your neighborhood Toys "R" Us Best Buy and target and play this game that you will see absolutely not one downgrade. Stop lying to yourself PS4fanboys. your lies here are not helping your cause one bit as Xbox one has sold over 1 million. those who don't like the truth look for lies. Done>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>.

[LGM313]

So you probably have the "power of the cloud" on your system already. How did you get it?

[cyguration]

Why don't you post the uncompressed shots to Imgur and then link them in your post? No one is stopping you from doing that.

[Hercules189]

Youre doing it wrong. Youre supposed to look at every single inch of the race track, You're not supposed to enjoy the game. Just look at my previous comment 1 agree and 54 disagrees, and the worst part was that i acknowleged the fact that Forza 5 did get a slight downgrade. Did Ryse get a downgrade, no it got an upgrade, yeah they decreased the poly count that really wasnt noticable cause they still have the highest poly count to date and they bumped up the shaders and improved the overall look of the game.

[Orbilator]

DELUSIONAL nuff said

[AndroidVageta]

You're either delusional or in complete denial. Want me to prove it? OK I will.

Here is a picture comparing what MS showed off on Jimmy Fallon followed by the picture you seem to be claiming is bullshit followed by what I captured directly from MY version (I say mine because apparently yours is different) of Forza 5 playing on MY new Xbox One.

http://i.imgur.com/Q6fctwj....

Yeah...OK...notice how mine looks exactly like the one you claim isn't correct? Am I making shit up as well?

You're fucking nuts! LOL! Damn, talk about a F-A-N-B-O-Y!!!!!!

[ironmonkey]

Looked better on a pc and should of stayed there. Xone is weak. Big box like that and nothing inside it to show for. 500$ of fake shit

[Hanuman]

Will this also be launched on Xbone?

[L0Lcano]

What do you expect when the e3 build was running on a frakkin nvidia gtx Titan, core i7 and 16b ram

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Debunked or not, I remember seeing the original e3 harpist, I've seen the commercial that say "in game footage" but it simply just doesn't look THAT good in reviews and such.

Whether it changes someone's experience is irrelevant. But it doesn't change the fact that it's graphical fidelity was dropped at some point at the E3 gamrplay footage.

[Einhert]

Developers touch their games up for stage presentations and show floor demos....

This is "NEW"

[jairusmonillas]

Another false advertising by Microsoft. No Wonder they were using GTX video cards back in E3.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Reminds me of how dooped I felt seeing Gears of War 1 in Game Informer magazine! I was so hyped! Especially with a pic in the mag of Marcus shooting a Brumak in the face with a lancer while in a forest! Needless to say that only happened in the PC version and the graphics that were advertised as 360s... Were actually the PCs! Lucky for MS the game still delivered well for them! I also find it funny that MS actually didn't want the lancer in the game!

[Pherros]

Wow, I would've never noticed. Still seems like a decent racing game though minus the downgrade.

[Hercules189]

I used to come to this site to get news on upcoming games, not nitpick every single little detail that is not noticeable to the average gamer.

[gcolley]

You are sadly a minority here, this site is a PS fanboy site.

[SpinalRemains138]

If you've only been here for a year or two.

Otherwise, this place was a rabid Xbox haven. Rabid.

[AndroidVageta]

Fanboy site or not...Forza 5 still isn't what we've been shown all these months.

[clouds5]

So MS can you plz release the E3 PC version of the game? I want to give you my money.

[ifritAlkhemyst]

At this point in time, graphically, who cares? Does the loss of a freaking mechanical hatch with some shadow resolution detract in any way from your enjoyment of the game?

It's hilarious, there are many PC gamers out there that somehow manage to enjoy the hell out of the games they can't run with the full spec, advertised quality.

You console queers have issues.

[AndroidVageta]

The only difference you saw was the hatch? Just ignoring everything else?

Yes, I am a PC gamer.

[ducimus118]

The sky is falling...

[liran]

It's not a different build, MS displays all their games @ E3 with a PC, idiots.

[assdan]

Compression wouldn't make the games look more different, it would make the look more similar. So uncompressed, the difference is probably worse.

[gcolley]

Anther fanboy infested article. I'll just leave the trolls with their circlejerk and read something else.

[wardude01509]

Lets not get off topic here, the debate for this article isn't about consoleA vs consoleB, its more about ms selling something beautiful and getting people to buy into that, then delivering something else to a much lower standard than what you were sold on, it pure simple public deception and people that defend type of behavior is pathetic.

[AlphaBlackWolf96]

As a Forza fan, I'm disapointed. Maybe we can have the graphics match the PC build by Forza 6, or 7. Until then, I'm playing GT.

[C_Dub]

As a huge Forza fan, I'll come on out and say this game looks like absolute garbage. I'm not even excited to play it.

Screw it, I'm getting a PS4.

[amnalehu]

Cars look the same but the lighting and background is last gen. Usually pre-alpha bulids look worse than the final builds. Kinda strange. Still the best game of the Xbone hands down. I hope I get to play it one day.

[La-voz]

....nice going Microsoft!

[zerog]

Ok I see it like this at e3 the game ran on pc and not a cable box ;) but anyway developers do that all the time with games to build hype while the final product turns out not to meet the expectation of that hype. For those out there saying its about the gameplay not the graphics grow up. I agree that gameplay is more important then graphics but this is supposed to be "NEXT" gen. There's plenty of good gameplay on ps3/360 without spending $400-$500 on new hardware. There should be standards met for it to even be called next gen like 1080p 60 fps as standard for all games. Also anyone thinking the cloud will improve your games in real time are deluding themselve because it cant. Good example how many times have you been playing your favorite fps and had an I shot that guy 10 times and he still turned around reloaded and killed me moment? There are too many factors for the cloud to be of any real use like server load, connection speed and input lag on both ends of the line.