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AMD to Unveil Next-Generation APUs on November 11

As a follow-up to our older article on how December-January will play out for AMD's next-generation APU lineup, we have news that the company will unveil, or at least tease its next-generation desktop APU, codename "Kaveri," on November 11, 2013. It's when the company will host its APU'13 event,

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Software_Lover3821d ago

If AMD were smart, and I think they are, they will really push and market their 8 core APU's for the pc and help the devs that make games for consoles and pc use them efficiently. Imagine having a 64bit O.S., 8-16gb ram, AMD 8 core APU, and being able to game on PC at a high level. Maybe not everything maxed out, but pretty close for budget builders.

It might make a dent in their low end GPU sales, but it will all even out with more APU sales. Great Gaming PC's would get smaller also ala PS4/XBone, or the Digital Storm Bolt, which actually uses a full size GPU. I actually want the Bolt case but they do not sell it separately.

A man can only dream.

Rageanitus3821d ago (Edited 3821d ago )

It wont really work for core PC gamers honestly.
Most ppl upgrade their GPU vs their CPU.

The CPU is less important when it comes to gaming.

It is a bit different when it comes to laptops, because there is really no flexiblity in upgrading your laptop from most manufacturers. Usually when a LAptop gamers wants more power he/she usually simply just buys a new laptop.

In terms of consoles its static, so there is no way a person can realy upgrade.

Software_Lover3821d ago

I understand that. I am a core pc gamer. But if budget builders are able to get ps4/Xbone level graphics with just the APU and no separate GPU purchase, we as pc gamers, have to look at that as a win for us.

I also understand that there are other variables that go into play: Ram available, O.S. used, etc. But it could work out, especially with Mantle on the horizon.

Stsonic3821d ago (Edited 3821d ago )

The CPU is a lot more important in gaming than people seem to think. Especially if you want to Max out everything. I just upgraded from a 4 core amd to an i7 with a 7950 and the performance more than doubles in some games.

Rageanitus3821d ago (Edited 3821d ago )

@ Software lover
True to a certain extent since established developers usually develop with all platforms in mind.

But the PC market right now is driven RIGHT now by Intel and Nvidia, and honestly AMD is not doing so hot (just look at the finacial records/performance records)
Till the day Intel Or Nvidia produces exceptional APU's over their flagship configurations I do not see it flying so far.

@STSonic , yes CPU is still important because if you don't upgrade your CPU you might get a bottleneck. But it is less important ever since the first 3dfx/Geforce came into the market. I see ppl upgrading GPU's over CPU's much more often.

Rhaigun3821d ago

It depends. Say you have an HD 7950 and this new set of APUs will allow you to crossfire much like the current ones do with the 7750. You may get more performance for less. It's possible you may get the boost you need to jump from medium to high settings, and still keep your current FPS.

Ju3821d ago

Unfortunately, Kaveri is not on a level with the PS4/One. The Steamroller cores might as well hold up (4 of them should be faster than 8 Jaguar cores) but the GPU part is still below 1TF (or close). But, with that said, it should be closer to a 7750 and thus be able to play games in medium settings btween 720p-1080p.

What I am looking forward more than this, though, is that this chip will fully support HSA and the full pool of memory is available to the GPU. Current APUs partition the memory into "GPU" and "System" memory, taking away from either side. I am curious how this will work with current OSs - memory handling needs to address this. And further down the road, this open the doors for more compute applications on the desktop. 16GB VRAM...curious how this will workout. Unfortunately I'll have to upgrade my MB as well as the APU.

For the geeks in us, this is the first machine available where people (at home) can explore HUMA/HSA.

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ABizzel13821d ago (Edited 3821d ago )

AMD announced a while back that these APU's were coming, but I believe they would only be 4 core versions, and not have GDDR5 RAM, so take that for what it is.

Software_Lover3821d ago

Yes you are correct. I think there was an article on here, or techspy, yesterday that stated they would come with DDR3 ram.

NarooN3821d ago

http://i.imgur.com/yhSthQj....

GDDR5 as well as a part with up to 3 modules (3 modules, 6 cores) was planned at some point in 2012, but I guess when SteamrollerB (aka Steamroller 2.0, bdver3b) came about, those plans were canceled.

Makes sense for GDDR5, since it's unfeasible for reasons I outlined in my other comment here. They are opting to wait for DDR4 instead, which makes more sense.

NarooN3821d ago

An 8-core APU on desktop isn't feasible at the moment. The console APU's use Jaguar cores which were meant for smaller form-factors and isn't meant to clock high like the "big cores" found on desktop and on some laptops.

The die size would have to increase far beyond what the current typical APU die sizes are to accommodate two more modules, and no one would want an 8-core APU if it didn't have beefy graphics, so the die would have to be even bigger to fit more CU's on it.

The GPU would then be super-beefy, but under-fed due to the use of DDR3 as the system memory. The bus would only be 128-bit (dual-channel 64-bit 2x) since FM2+ doesn't support higher than dual-channel DDR3, and the resulting bandwidth would not be enough to feed the GPU so it could perform to its max potential.

This is why AMD decided to not bother with GDDR5 on desktop APU's (amongst other things, like there not being any consumer GDDR5 DIMMs nor any MOBO's with sockets to support such a chip, etc.) and will instead implement DDR4 in either a Kaveri refresh or Carrizo (Q1 2015 Excavator-based APU), which would alleviate the bandwidth issue.

Right now AMD is trying to get more APU's out there so the install base would be huge whenever HSA begins to take off. This will continue with Kaveri's release in Q1 2014. Of course gaming performance is a priority for them, but not the only one.

kingduqc3821d ago

cpu + gpu > apu by a LARGE margin

NarooN3821d ago

You do realize that an APU is still a CPU, right? Also a typical CPU + GPU combo has much more latency than an actual APU, and with the combination of the CPU/GPU being on the same die as well as having cache coherency and sharing a single pool of memory means massive boosts to the computational throughput and bandwidth, which will speed up OpenCL & HSA-enabled workloads massively. That's the point of an APU.

kingduqc3820d ago

@NarooN

I am fully away, just that people speak as if an apu is good for gaming.It will never compete with a dedicated gpu, or certainly not in the next 15-20 years.

NarooN3820d ago

APU's are good for gaming at low resolutions, but yeah, they won't be replacing discreet cards anytime soon.

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AMD FSR 3.1 Announced at GDC 2024, FSR 3 Available and Upcoming in 40 Games

Last September, we unleashed AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 (FSR 3)1 on the gaming world, delivering massive FPS improvements in supported games.

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Eonjay28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

So to put 2 and 2 together... FSR 3.1 is releasing later this year and the launch game to support it is Rachet and Clank: Rift Apart. In Sony's DevNet documentation it shows Rachet and Clank: Rift Apart as the example for PSSR. PS5 Pro also launches later this year... but there is something else coming too: AMD RDNA 4 Cards (The very same technology thats in the Pro). So, PSSR is either FSR 3.1 or its a direct collaboration with AMD for that builds on FSR 3.1. Somehow they are related. I think PSSR is FSR 3.1 with the bonus of AI... now lets see if RDNA 4 cards also include an AI block.

More details:
FSR 3.1 fixes Frame Generation
If you have a 30 series RTX card you can now use DLSS3 with FSR Frame Generation (No 40 Series required!)
Its Available on all Cards (we assume it will come to console)
Fixes Temporal stability

MrDead27d ago

I've been using a mod that allows dlss frame gen on my 3080 it works on all rtx series. It'll be good not to rely on mods for the future.

darksky26d ago

The mods avaiable are actually using FSR3 frame gen but with DLSS or FSR2 upscaling.

Babadook726d ago (Edited 26d ago )

I think that the leaks about the 5 Pro would debunk the notion that the two (FSR 3.1 and PSSR) are the same technology. PSSR is a Sony technology.

MrDead27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

I wonder how much they fixed the ghosting in dark areas as Nvidia are leaving them in the dust with image quality. Still good that they are improving in big leaps, I'll have to see when the RTX5000 series is released who I go with... at the moment the RTX5000's are sounding like monsters.

just_looken27d ago

Did you see the dell leaks were they are trying to cool cards using over 1k watts of power.

We are going to need 220 lines for next gen pcs lol

MrDead27d ago

That's crazy! Sounds like heating my house won't be a problem next winter.

porkChop27d ago

As much as I hate supporting Nvidia, AMD just doesn't even try to compete. Their whole business model is to beat Nvidia purely on price. But I'd rather pay for better performance and better features. AMD also doesn't even try to innovate. They just follow Nvidia's lead and make their own version of whatever Nvidia is doing. But they're always 1 or 2 generations behind when it comes to those software/driver innovations, so Nvidia is always miles ahead in quality and performance.

MrDead26d ago

I do a lot of work on photoshop so an Intel Nvidia set up has been the got to because of performance edge, more expensive but far more stable too. Intel also have the edge over AMD processors with better load distribution on the cores, less spikes and jitters. When you're working large format you don't want lag or spikes when you're editing or drawing.

I do think AMD has improved massively though and whist I don't think they threaten Nvidia on the tech side they do make very well priced cards and processors for the power. I'm probably going with a 5080 or 5090 but AMD will get a little side look from me, which is a first in a long time... but like you said they are a generation or two behind at the moment.

Goosejuice26d ago

While I can't argue for amd gpu, they aren't bad but they aren't great either. The cpu for amd have great. I would argue the 7800x3d as one of the best cpu for gaming right now. Idk about editing so I take ur word for that but gaming amd cpu is a great option these days.

porkChop26d ago

@Goosejuice

I have a 7800X3D. It certainly is great for gaming. Though for video editing, rendering, etc, I think Intel have the advantage from what I remember. I just mean from a GPU standpoint I can't support them.

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AMD storm Nvidia's Super launch party with temporary price cut to RX 7900 XT

Now that the RTX 4070 Super has launched, AMD have chopped the price of the RX 7900 XT to new lows.

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AMD Radeon 700M "RDNA 3" iGPUs Recieve Fluid Motion Frames Support, Brings FPS-Boost To Gamers

AMD has expanded its Fluid Motion Frames (AFMF) tech to Radeon 700M iGPUs which play a major role in laptops, handhelds & desktops.

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Tapani99d ago

The ideal FPS would be for Steam Deck 45fps which is boosted to match the 90hz screen. However, today's new games are not on that level even on the OLED version, so the successor to Phoenix Point needs to come out fast. The 2nd Gen Steam Deck needs a VRR screen as well to make this doable. 2025 should be the year for such a device.

XBManiac99d ago

Or you need to play games better suited for Steam Deck. What would be great is a more powerful version of Steam Deck with higher specs for latest games. But... it will take a couple of years, it seems, as Gabe is waiting for a real next gen Zen+RDNA really portable kit.

Tapani98d ago

You are right, it really does come down to understanding what your Steam Deck can play and how. And that to me, is a bit of a pain to deal with. For a portable, I have zero interest in tuning anything, and just want to pick up and play. To do so in the PC space, you are correct, there needs to be a real next gen APU available.

That being said, I really appreciate there are these devices and can see how people like using them. To me the Steam Deck or any PC handheld should be a device which can continue the AAA games I play on my 4090 when I'm on the go.

Personally, I'm waiting for Strix Point, RDNA 3.5 at 16CU and an OLED VRR 90-120hz screen and better memory bandwidth. This should play AAA games at low settings at locked 40 or 45 fps which would be great already for a handheld. When Strix Point is out, most of the non-Valve PC handheld manufacturers have already sorted out the kinks in their software as well, so there should be a good maturity in 2024 or 2025 in these devices.

I do think, though, that Fluid Motion Frames will be a technique that these handhelds will benefit a lot from in the coming years as it spreads.