PS4 vs. XB1: The Size And Frame Rate Issues

This weekend has seen some real confusion regarding the capabilities of the soon to launch next generation consoles. It seems as though several press embargoes have been broken regarding upcoming launch titles - specifically "Ryse: Son of Rome," "Call of Duty: Ghosts" and "Battlefield 4".

[yellowgerbil]

I find it damaging that first party games are coming out under 1080p native. 3rd party it is to be expected, they need a year to learn the hardware, but 1st party devs don't have that excuse. They can just talk to the higher ups on how to best implement things.
There should be no games a year from now under 1080p I won't be purchasing any of those games and if gamers want a true next gen they won't be either. It is laziness, not lack of power that will stop 1080p from being the norm.

[I_am_Batman]

I think you are exaggerating. I'd like as many games as possible in 1080p but to say that you won't buy games that run under 1080p is going to far imo. It's obviously your own decision but when I see a great game I won't be stopped from buying it just because it doesn't do 1080p.

[darthv72]

My philosophy is..

A good game will always be a good game no matter the technical specs.

A crappy game will always be a crappy game no matter the technical specs.

What distinguishes a good game from a crappy game is not the technical specs. Its the dedication by the developers. The fun and creativity behind it that makes it stand out.

Please note: good/crappy part is subjective.

[Wigriff]

darthv72: Precisely! This is exactly why games like Super Metroid still hold up. It's also the reason why many indie titles with sub par graphics by today's standards can bring such incredible experiences.

Unfortunately there are a lot of gamers who refuse to see past less than perfect graphics and resolutions to the wonderful game which may lay underneath.

[vigilante_man]

2 points to make here:

1) It does not matter at all as long as the game is great, the controls are easy to handle and the developer has done the best job possible on that platform to make the game run smooth.

2) Let's all admit we were wrong about developers cowering to MS this time around with multi-platform games. It seems like they are making the most of the PS4 and the most of XB1. This is how it should of been all along. Well done developers!

Now, can we all forget about this and join together as gamers and look forward to some amazing games and experiences with next gen?

[Withdreday]

The console war is OVA!

[MadLad]

Having been made used to pretty much everything I play being run in 1080p or higher and at a solid FPS, the idea of buying a game for $60 and have it, overall, perform worse than the majority of games I own would definitely keep me from paying full price it.
A lot of the things I am hearing of the performance from games on the new consoles just cements my plans on waiting on the new consoles until they go down in price, both for the tech and the games.

[I_am_Batman]

@slaphappyjesus: I've recently played Metal Gear Solid for the first time (Somehow missed it back in the day and never got to play it). That game is running in 240p or something like that and you know what? It's one of the best games I've played recently. It's has more value than a lot of present day AAA games. I've been playing a lot of Classics lately like FFVI and VIII, Vagrant Story, Crash Bandicoot and honestly those games didn't get any worse over the last two decades in my opinion.

[SITH]

Well said darthv72. I totally agree. I play old PC DOS games because they are fun, not because of the way they look.

[nveenio]

All I know is that The Last of Us wasn't 1080p, and it looks better than anything else last gen. If devs want to improve lighting, AI, particle effects, physics simulations, animations, geometry, AND gameplay, then I could care less if we stay in 720p. I want to see improvements in EVERY other area before I see improvements in resolution. Why? Because the power of a game is not determined by how many pixels it can fit in a single column.

[Philoctetes]

I'll give BF4 a pass on this because they're doubling the player count on next-gen consoles. Otherwise, I absolutely expect every game to at least hit 1080p / 60 fps. That should be the standard for next-gen game. Otherwise, why upgrade?

[I_am_Batman]

I hope that you haven't preordered a next gen console. If you have you will be disappointed cause 1080p at 60fps for every game isn't going to happen. If that is so important for you you should consider getting a gaming PC.

[yellowgerbil]

1080p yes 60fps no.
30fps is better in many instances and it isn't a case of faster picture means BETTER picture, 30fps is what we are used to and what "looks" best to our eyes. Just look at the grief Hobbit got for being double the fps as normal movies, came off looking less real because we are tuned to see it a certain way. films should always be 24fps in my mind you'd never see the beautiful "documentary" style of Saving Private Ryan if it didn't have that choppy framerate.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

so by your logic nobody should buy a game that isnt 1080p.......SCREW THAT.....720p, 900p, 1080p it doesnt matter to me. just give me a fun to play game with a good story.

Its not like we're talking 400p to 1080p

[yellowgerbil]

not having 1080p is simply laziness. There is NO limitation that hinders that from happening. These consoles can handle it if the developers are smart enough to use the systems correctly. That is why I am especially critical of 1st party devs as they have no excuse to not maintain that.
I've had a 1080p tv for 6 years. Its about damn time my games actually use my tv to its fullest. Or are you saying my old Toshiba from 2007 is super advanced?

[lets_go_gunners]

I'm sad....When did we as gamers started to care about resolution. When halo3 came out no one cared that it wasn't 720p, so unless every game is 1080 we riot? Come on as long as we see a visual difference or a gameplay difference from our previous console we should feel justified.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

@ yellowgerbil im sorry but i myself can not shut down a game on next gen console becuase it's not 1080p. Having a game that isn't 1080p isn't going to break a sell for me

@ lets_go_gamers My exact thoughts exactly!

[bryam1982]

I'm whit yellowgerbil in this,if.i.want.to play games at 720p/30fps I stay whit my ps3,but.this.is next gen we are talking.about! so i.wont.buy games under 1080p/60fps or at least 1080p/30fps

[Ulf]

@yellowgerbil:

"lazy" devs not going full 1080p? Are you serious? You should probably keep your opinions to yourself on said matter, if you don't (and you clearly don't) know what phrases like overdraw, thread warping, and shader cycles mean. Throw in GPGPU and mesh skinning, physics narrowphase, and animation decompression, for good measure.

Get back to us after you know WTH it takes to put 1080p and 60 hz onscreen in ANY genre, let alone EVERY genre. Get off your lazy tail and learn
something.

[yellowgerbil]

What I know is. it is 2013. 1080p has existed since like 2005. So your saying this cutting edge piece of hardware isn't capable of handling the max limit of a 8 year old tv?
4k res already exists. I am fine with a console being 1gen behind PC but to say 1080P is still not the standard is to admit these systems are 2 whole generations behind PC gaming. That I will not accept, so I go to the logical outcome of the developers are being lazy.
so what's it going to be, these systems that still aren't even on store shelves are already obsolete, or the developers are too lazy to use these systems to their potential.
And to say ANY launch game is pushing what a system is capable of is the real IGNORANCE ULF.

[bryam1982]

@ulf are you a developer? you.must be since you are implying that is hard to develop 1080/60-30fps in next gen.consoles! so sorry mister.kojima i.didn't knew you were a.n4g member lol lazy developers my friends how come sony fist party can make.games 1080/30-60 fps huh?

[DomceM]

if you want higher res get a PC.

And if you think it is so easy to develop games and everyone around you is lazy, then you should give it a shot yourself.

Tired of all you panzies running around yelling you need 1080p. You didnt pay for it, so why are you yelling about it?

chill out.

[evilhasitsway]

its because they are games for both next and current gen. that's why they "suck" ecxlusives to the next gen is were it will shine. not to mention we wont see the fulpotentioal of the next gen systems for a few yrs anyways. look at current gen launch games vs the games that are now avilbel .

[SpitFireAce85]

Let's wait until the consoles come out.

[MrCastle]

@spitfire - Sage advice. By the time reviews come out, there will be plenty of time to cancel XB1 Preorders. Grabbing a PS4 on launch day may be tricky....

[ProjectVulcan]

Not long!

No hiding from anything in just over three weeks. I'll all be blown open, be it PS4 and Xbox one

N4G will be exploding come that weekend of November 22nd when both are out in the wild

[Ulf]

I think what Vulcan is trying to imply, huge PC fanboy that he is, is that neither console will be capable of hitting both 1080p and 60 Hz, outside if simpler genres (like racing).

The sad thing is... he's probably right. Even PCs, with higher-grade GPUs than the PS4, and faster CPUs than the XB1, have trouble hitting that mark, with decent graphic details enabled on some of these games.

It's all about balance, and frame rate trumps resolution, in most people's opinion. Vulcan will have a PC fanboy festival after the next year's catalog of console games don't hit 1080p consistently. 1080p x 60Hz is about 5x the work of 720p x 30, which many games had trouble with, thus Gen... and that's before you factor in that they also want to do more complex work, per pixel.

Some simpler games will hit that mark... and yeah, racing is simple, from that perspective anyway.

[Godmars290]

Yes. Let the first adapters find out what the real deal is, as always.

Getting screwed over, as always.

[skydragoonity]

Every 3rd party game will be superior on the ps4. End of discussion.

[Kurogane]

Including assassins creed black flag? Ha! the ps3 version is already on par with the ps4 if not better

[TheEnigma313]

Stop embarrassing yourself. The new consoles will not reach their ceilings in launch year.

[Robearboy]

Like the PS3'S cell, once Devs work out the ins and out of how to capitalise the xbox ones innards, I would expect 90% of all games on both next gen systems running at 1080p (not that this will make the games any better)

[BRAD-RIDGE]

I don't get all this nonsense about 1080p 900p 720p. i've seen game this gen playing at 720p looking better than those at 1080p. i agree with yellowgerbil that the first parties should have set the standards. but my only hope for ms is that they don't make the mistakes ps3 did which is being harder to programm for...lol...who am i kidding.

[sigfredod]

The issue is not that a game on 720p cannot look better that one at 1080p, is possible if they use the resorces to put more effects, particles and AA, the issue will be if the SAME game, same engine, same effects is display a 720p in one and 1080p in other

[WorldGamer]

Just as Spit said above, the releases are imminent. But I do have to say that all this hoopla about X1 has me intrigued.

I actually think that most MS fans would welcome an honest conversation about the systems capabilities. At the very least, it would allow MS to got ahead of a lot of controversy and diminish some of the blow back. I have no doubt with time the system will improve, but hiding things just make people come up with their own narratives, which is never a good thing.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it just seems like if the system is struggling to keep up, they would be better off coming clean and outlining what they are doing to rectify the problem. But then again, many folks on the internet are not as reasonable as I would like to believe.

Less than a month for release. All shall soon be revealed.

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

Have to agree. They would be better off saying "look devs have not got to grips with our super high performance ESRAM yet, but you wait when they do you will see the results"

That kind of positive spin would satisfy most people who were determined to buy MS I would think. The silence just breeds lies and speculation.

[sigfredod]

https://twitter.com/thuway/...

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

While I agree with others resolution is not the be all and end all, it is important because it tells us gamers that the console that can hit 1080 could in the future be pulled down to 720 in order to push the effects etc harder.

Its really not friendly of MS to ban anyone reviewing launch games until they are already out. I know its common practice but its just not cool full stop regardless of who is demanding the embargo. Control the information... control the people and all that.

[IRNMUNKEY]

All I want is some truthful answers. I'm getting Xbox anyway but starting to think of jumping ship just because they refuse to give any answers. Was just on twitter and someone asked about COD resolution and Major Nelson just said why don't you ask the guys making it. MS just seems full of assholes at the moment

[reckless_gunner]

I think the fact that we're all debating 1080p to be or not to be? It's a bit brutal. These new consoles better be able to handle the games. I'm getting a bit frustrated to be honest about it. If it's a constant debate, then I'm upgrading my PC and that's that.

[cyclindk]

Only thing I am gonna say is a bit off is the CELL processor/ESRAM comparisons... one being "difficult to master" and one simply causing difficulties due to its inherent limitations are two different things...

ESRAM has no magic abilities once mastered when it is provided in such limited quantities.

[sigfredod]

Agree, and not the only ones
https://twitter.com/thuway/...

[cyclindk]

Yeah, honestly i dont know what anyone is disagreeing with. Taking sides stuff is nonsense. Just look at facts and its all there plane to see.

[rkidscd002]

http://n4g.com/news/1381965...

Oh my... rather than worrying about how the xbox looks check out the £350 quid difference between the Ps3 and Ps4.

You get a few extra ripples In the wateh!! LAME

[LoveSpuds]

I have been beavering away over the last month trying to replay all the games I loved over this generation.

Literally just completed God Of War Ascension and over the last 2 weeks I have completed Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted and The Last of Us (also finished GTA5).

None of these games was 1080P, all of these games were absolutely amazing and I really enjoyed replaying them.

My point is, frame rate and resolution is not the be all and end all. I agree that it is important to expect more, after all why else are we upgrading, but I honestly feel people are getting to hung up on it.

There are many other factors to consider when judging graphical prowess, for example texture quality and decent AA can make just as much of an impact as resolution.

[MAULxx]

In most cases... Framerate > 1080p.
I'd love 1080p @ 60fps with all the detail but I'd rather sacrifice 1080p Res & have a nice frame rate.
I'm not expecting 1080p & 60 fps for every game.
If you have to have it you might want to consider PC & play there until PS5.

[MrPerfect813]

As long as it hits at least 720p i am fine with that. I want the experience and the fun of the games to shine through. Already got AC4, Marvel Super Heroes, BF4, Madden, DR3 preordered and as long nothing to major happens like PSN Hacked level, i will be a happy camper. I have had both systems and have had both systems die on me. Hell I think what would annoy me the most this next gen would be load times, stuttering game play and connection drops.

[saber00005]

Xbox fanboys be like: 1080P! I bet your PS4 can't handle that!

To..

You can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

If your like me, who plays on a 46" or more... your gonna know. Enough said.

[arbitor365]

"Of the two PS4 appears to be coming out the clear winner. Listings on Sony's network indicate "Call of Duty: Ghosts," "Battlefield 4" and "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag" will all run natively at 1080p & 60fps. A Sony VP later confirmed that "Call of Duty" would definitely hit this benchmark."

xbots just got exposed. so much for

"directx11 is better on xbox one and will give it better multiplats"

and

"history will repeat itself."

PS4 has the better version of games now. a big surprise right? considering it has a 40% more powerful GPU.

live with it and enjoy the xbox720P

[JuniorCE]

Its a rumor!! The problem is lots of rumors saying the same thing... Probably true that the Xbone only runs on 720p...

[Max-Zorin]

Better make sure your TV is 1080 before you invite a N4G member over for a gaming session. Otherwise he will consider you the equivalent to Stalin out of nowhere.

[Gamer666]

I don't care as long as games play good and look good!

I have seen a lot of games look good and running was less than 1080p... I have seen 1080p games that just suck...

Meet the Robinsons, Surf's Up Fantastic 4 Rise of Silver Surf, Tetris Evolution and Vampire Rain are all 1080p games on 360.... They all suck...