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New PS4 Details: Automatic Caching Games Not Install, Voice Commands Without PS Eye And More

Shuhei Yoshida via his personal Twitter account has revealed never heard before details about Playstation 4.

TomShoe3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

Who needs a Kinect? Shave $100 of the top and get 2 more games (ง ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)ง)

ZodTheRipper3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

They have most of the stuff Kinect offers and don't even use it to market the PS4 with it. Revealing this through twitter just shows where Sony's priorities lie.

yarbie10003827d ago

Voice Commands without the Eye was also available on X360 & PS3 - it was called Endwar.

2cents3827d ago

lol @ Zod.

Most of the stuff kinect offers? Erm... you are very uninformed, the PS camera isn't even as functional as the first kinect. Why do you feel the need to take a dig at the Xbox to justify your fondness of Sony? Can't you just like Sony without having to express negativity towards Xbox? Are you that insecure?

johndoe112113827d ago

@2cents

Please list the features that the first kinect has that the ps4 camera doesn't.

GTgamer3827d ago

Lmaooooooo your full of it @2cents but I'm waiting for the list too.

GrandpaSnake3827d ago

lol @2cents you probably finally looked up the features and realized the only edge the x1 camera has is infrared(so it sees you all night) and maybe snap features.

2cents3827d ago

@johndoe, gtgamer & grandpasnake

Not my job, what is though is to point out inaccuracies in people's assumptions.
I'm only trying to help you people save face, as there is so much incorrect information out there.

I'm not the one claiming superiority, you guys are. Ignorance is one thing, but when you openly claim things that are totally false, then I comment.

If you want to try to claim that the PS Camera is as good as the kinect then you prove it to me, not the other way around, sorry. I don't need to prove otherwise as anyone who actually understands the tech involved, knows the truth.

johndoe112113827d ago

@2cents

1. Last time I checked you were not wearing my wedding ring hence I don't need to prove anything to you.

2. I never asked you to prove anything, I simply asked you to provide a list of the features that YOU said the original kinect had that the ps4 eye doesn't.

3. Unless you belong to some government appointed institution that was mandated to police the Internet and correct anyone that you may THINK has incorrect information in YOUR mind I fail to see how that is your job.

4. The kinect 2.0 has more functionality than the ps4 eye. I don't care. I'll never use the kinect and i'll hardly use the ps4 camera. But do me a favor, seeing that it's your job to clear up misinformation, could you clear the air on the whole xbox 720p thing for us?

Sono4213827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

The PS4 camera literally does have all the features the kinect has except it doesn't have the super specific player motion tracking, which in my OPINION I deem useless anyways.. it's not like i'm going to want to go through the XMB with my hand instead of a controller? and i'm most certainly not going to use it for games.. lol.

Then the only other feature the PS4 camera doesn't have is scanning things.. which is decently cool but doesn't justify the $100 difference.. so yeah.. my point is Kinect is seriously over hyped.. the only thing special about it is the specific motion capture, all other features on it can be found elsewhere for a way better price and no pointless paywalls.

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MasterCornholio3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

You don't need a camera for voice commands all you need is a microphone.

And no Microsoft is wrong when they say that its necessary. Kinectbis for gesture control more than anything.

Nexus 7 2013

mhunterjr3827d ago

All you need is a Mic? What about voice recognition software, noise cancellation software, voice libraries, multi language , dialect, and accent support, a dedicated audio processor also helps. Kinect 2 isn't just a camera. There's a suite of developer tools that come with its use.

Otherwise, developers will have to take the time and resources to compensate for all of those things themselves...

Sono4213827d ago

@mhunterjr

not sure if trolling... or just stupid..

He's obviously talking about peripherals that you have to pay for.. last I checked you didn't have to pay Sony nor Microsoft extra for the voice recognition software..

The point he is making is with Sony you get the features of Kinect (Excluding specific motion capture and scanning certain things) without spending an extra $100.. in other words.. the $100 price difference still isn't justified.

wsoutlaw873826d ago

lol mhunterjr no s*** but you dont need a kinect to run software. Do you think the voice recognition is completely handled by the kinect?

Kryptix3826d ago

Anyone remember SOCOM had voice commands? And this goes way back to the PS2 days when we first started using mics with our consoles. (Of course, there's that Pokemon game also on the N64 that used voice commands)

Those commands weren't 100% accurate all the time but mics also weren't as advanced and clear as today.

@mhunterjr
Those are things that can be done without a camera, scratching $100-150 off and still be able to use a service or feature that software developers offer.

So yes, all you need is a mic to do half of what the Kinect can do and you save yourself money for a few extra games or a year subscription in the process.

What Microsoft is doing is trying to falsely justify the Kinect to the consumer by saying "only with Kinect" when voice commands can be done on a headset/mic. (Skyrim voice commands, obviously could of been programmed for any mic in existance) Of course, mics cannot do motion controls, but when one word performs an action and you have a controller, too...a gamer doesn't need to wave their arms around or anything because the controller is more precise.

Think about this, what if the Kinect didn't receive sound and it was your headset that came with the console doing the work for it? Wouldn't it be cheaper and making a replacement much more affordable? Microsoft should of thought ahead which makes me believe they did it their way to gain max profits.

"Let's sell a mic then sell a mic." -Someone in Microsoft HQ

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majiebeast3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

Yeah not going digital this gen with 50gig games, thank you Sony for not doing mandatory install of games.

Sad about no more custom themes by users but as long as it has dynamic and official themes i can life without it.

aceitman3827d ago

U know sony , im sure down the line it will happen

MasterCornholio3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

But at least its not happening on day one. And if it ever comes to that I will replace my 500GB HDD with a 1TB drive because Sony gives me the right to do so.

Anyways I'm pretty sure that they mentioned optional installs a long time ago. The only reason why people are asking this is because the competitors console installs everything to the hard drive.

Nexus 7 2013

Underworld3827d ago

I'm really disappointed there's no more custom user themes :( That's one of the things I love about PS3. Why would they not allow it? So confused. Please, please allow them, Sony.

GribbleGrunger3827d ago

This is HUGE news for a lot of people. My ass tightened when I first saw the install sizes but now it's perched daintily upon my sofa ... and relax ...

isa_scout3827d ago

lol yeah, I was extremely worried about my HDD when they started talking 50GB installs. On a side note: What does 50GB cache mean??? If it's not a install does that just mean you need to have 50GB open in your HDD???Kinda confused...

stuna13827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

The 50 gb cache is for installing components of games to work, without the need to install the full game. As far as necessarily needing a full 50 gb not absolutely sure.

@Gribble

Your crazy, lol.

GribbleGrunger3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

It means it's just space taken up temporarily. If you then put another game in, the whole process of caching begins again using the same space as the previous game. You CAN fully install too if you want.

Skate-AK3827d ago

On PS3 you had to have twice the space open for the game you are installing. Say you had a 20GB game, you had to have 40GB free to install it. It will not be like that anymore.

GribbleGrunger3827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

I may be wrong about the full installs by the way! Sorry about that.

BitbyDeath3827d ago

Sounds like the function the uncharted and god of war games used to reduce load times.
Awesome.

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novcze3827d ago

I wouldn't be so optimistic, just like on PS3, game doesn't install itself but install game data and I think is confirmed that new CoD takes 49GB of HDD space.

That tweet about cache is probably just wrong choose of words.

jay23827d ago

Good news. So if the PS4's more powerful than xbone, and can do most of what Kinect 2 can do so much, MS are raking it in for exclusives and timed DLC LOOOOOOOL!

2cents3827d ago

Keep telling yourself that, ignorance is bliss.

Nekroo913827d ago (Edited 3827d ago )

2cents youre so annoying.. you dont know anything about specs or even kinect. Kinect 2.0 still as a huge amount of latency which means it takes time to process your movement to be recognized in the game.

its more powerfull fact!
ps eye is more precise fact!

And before you come here because you read somewhere about the bandwith.. the 8gb if ddr3 have 68gb/s the 32mb of esram= min 109/gb/s mas 200. and no 32mb cant do the same as 8gb of gddr5 if that was the case MS woundlt use ddr3. the high bandwith of the xbox it can only be used for small tasks becase its only 32mb!!

And now go away ignorant fool

bryam19823827d ago

Lol you know.microsoft enjoy.your exclusives this.year.cuz.in 3 year.xbone will be abandoned just.like.xbox.360 is.rite.now.while ps3 is.having.a.blast.whit.exclusi ves since.2007.till today so.we.know.at.the.end.ps4 will have.more exclusives

NewAgeisHere3827d ago

Good news just keep on comin.......I guess we're gonna be welcoming a lot of American gamers to Playstation nation in a few weeks. Looking at the general mood I'd say MS is facing an uphill battle in Nort America, let alone in the rest of the world.

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PS5 Exec Doesn't Want To See Gaming's Future Dominated By Live-Service Games: "Boring"

PlayStation boss Shuehei Yoshida wants the gaming industry to continue to chase its creative dreams.

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Obscure_Observer354d ago

"Got that one right, Shu!"

Kind of ironic when Sony is focused on GaaS like never before.

Flakegriffin354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

Companies evolve overtime. Sony has implemented themselves in the single player space relatively well. Now they can expand further by doing more all while still giving us single player experiences. Obviously Shu is speaking on GaaS games being the main dominance of the gaming space and if that’s the future then that indeed sucks.

You can have that mindset all while still creating some GaaS titles.

InUrFoxHole354d ago

They have 10 in the works right now.

Crows90354d ago

Absolutely! Man all the freaking gaas games theyve been releasing...wait. Not a single one.

sinspirit354d ago

Did you read? It says "dominated". That word means something.

RedDevils354d ago

They don't want to be Blockbuster, too stubborn to adapt with time.

tagzskie354d ago

kinda ironic when it comes to xbox you xboys can even defeat einstein in explation why its good, when it comes to ps you guys became dumb and dumber..

FinalFantasyFanatic354d ago

How so? They're only after one or two good GaaS games, they're throwing crap at the wall until something sticks, alot of those games in development are going to languish and die shortly after release. They're still predominately focused on their core strategy of great single player games (look at the previous interview where they admit they cancel alot of games).

Bathyj354d ago

God why do Xbox gamers always love the thought of PlayStation being as crappy as Xbox.?

DarXyde354d ago

"Like never before" regarding GaaS is like saying "PS3 is a console that launched with HDD space like never before": it's a very low bar to clear because there isn't much precedent.

I happen to agree with Shu here. I don't think being a GaaS title is a scarlet letter, but I can't think of any live service games that have been great at launch either. Naughty Dog is looking likely break that trend. I'd say two love service titles at a time is the sweet spot. I suspect people can only deal with a limited number of live service games contemporaneously.

TheCaptainKuchiki354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

Lmaooo
People always criticize Sony because 90% of their exclusives are single player games. People say they are too expensive because of low replay value.
And you wanna pretend like Sony is focusing on Gaas? Their biggest games aren't Gaas unlike MICROSOFT.

ModsDoBetter354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

How are Sony focused on GaaS?

They own Bungie and have Destiny but the majority of their titles are far from GaaS.

Why, if you are such a die hard Xbot, do you rush to comment on Sony related articles?

1Victor354d ago

@obscure
Are you ok now we was worried about your mental health state when you disappeared for almost a week from bashing PlayStation articles.
Is the word DENIED still triggering you?

I haven’t read the article as my spam blocker always red flags that site and I don’t t want to risk it so a general comment it is 🤦🏿
We all know live services game and quality rarely goes together but some of them are fun to play

derek354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

@Obscure, Sony is starting from a place of zero which requires a big initial investment to establish themselves in the live services market.

Vengeance1138354d ago

It's very much the opposite, Shu said this damn well knowing Sony is going hard on GaaS. This is Shu confirming that Single player games won't be effected at all despite them going into Live service.

Extermin8or3_353d ago

Except they aren't really- they have what may be a live service game from Haven studios and firewalk studios, they have another from a second party dev and an fps game with multiplayer focus by deviation games, they counted Gt7 as a live service game but really it's not much different to how recent GT titles were treated, they have the last of us factions, a Horizon multiplayer game in production at guerilla alongside horizon 3, a new ip from Bungie. The rest of their studios seem to be hard at work on traditional singleplayer games that may also have a multiplayer mode or may not. So their live service titles are mostly in development from either new teams setup at existing studios or from acquisitions they have made which really just replace the capabilities they once had through Sony Online Entertainment until they sold it half a decade ago. Only I'd argue their new capabilities in this space would appear to be better and have higher quality talent than it did back then.

Sonic1881352d ago

And what is Xbox focused on? Redfall is so bad, it's worse than Forspoken 😂😂😂

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S2Killinit354d ago

Thank god for actual gamers in the industry.

neutralgamer1992354d ago

Shu I agree but right now Sony themselves are working on more than 5 live service games

Redemption-64354d ago

He never said they were not working on any. He said, he doesn't want to see Gaming's Future dominated by live-Service Games. Sony currently has 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games and that is honestly a very good balance

neutralgamer1992354d ago

I agree I just hope their live service games are not simple money grabs and try to do some good interesting things

-Foxtrot354d ago

"and that is honestly a very good balance"

The issue is, whether people want to admit it or not because it's Sony, but once a company gets a taste of that money GaaS games make the chances of them going money crazy becomes super higher

I know what you'll probably say

"bu bu but Sony wouldn't do that"

NO COMPANY is immune, even the best can fall and I really don't want to see that happen here.

The fact people will completely blow that off and pretend it's not even a possibility is worrying to me because that's how we end up shits creek.

They might be fine...they might go too far but at the moment I don't think it's a bad thing at all to be sceptical with the shit this industry has gone through in the past 10 years alone.

FinalFantasyFanatic354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

The thing is most of those 10 games won't even be viable, out of the 10 that actually get released, probably only 1 or 2 will make the big bucks worth continuing support. I think Sony even knows that, look at all the other GaaS games that release and die shortly after. Personally I'm okay with that because I don't want the market dominated with these games.

I'd actually rather the resources go on to making some more top-tier JRPGs, I feel like we don't get enough of those in the last couple of gens.

neutralgamer1992354d ago

Final Fantasy

But keep in mind when those games fail many of the studios are shut and there are layoffs

NotoriousWhiz354d ago

I don't want a Gaas game. I just want a new socom. A strong multi-player title with no purchases beyond the initial purchase.

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-Foxtrot354d ago

Yeah exactly what I was thinking

Not 1

Not a cheeky 2

But freaking 5

Like it’s not even a “we’ll try doing one and see how it goes”

__SteakDeck__354d ago

@-Foxtrot What do you have against live service games. I’m not a fan of live service games, but multiplayer games can be done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it. As long as PS’s core studios keep making single player games, everything should be fine.

Redemption-64354d ago

Sony said they have 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games. They have more single player games in development

-Foxtrot354d ago

@__SteakDeck__

Urm....that they are a cancer in this industry

That the majority of them fail and the developers have then wasted years on them rather than other things.

They turn developers and publishers into thirsty little money grabbers where that big money is still not enough for them.

I could go on, defending GaaS games is not a hill to die on man, it's really not

"done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it"

Titanfall 2 was not really a GaaS type of game compared to what we are getting now so that's a really bad example.

__SteakDeck__354d ago

@-Foxtrot Yeah it seems like you just have a hatred for multiplayer games. I’m not the biggest fan of multiplayer games, but like I said they can be done well. Also Titanfall 1 had no single player it was multiplayer only and it’s now a dead game, but it was still good. So yes that is a good example.

FinalFantasyFanatic354d ago

@_SteakDeck_,
I'm still salty about Titanfall 2, it was one of the only multi-player games I actually liked.

NotoriousWhiz354d ago

Multi-player games don't have to be Gaas games. Look at Mario Kart, Splatoon. Nintendo's games most likely don't have Gaas because they're behind the times, but this is one area where it's better to be behind the times.

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blackblades354d ago

And? They still have single player games. Domination would completely ruled with live services which Sony should know to still do single player. On a side note they should also do a few 1st party smaller games like indie or AA. By the way is indie a single A game.

Philaroni354d ago (Edited 354d ago )

To be fair, so has many other companies aka Ubisoft for example and many of them they decided to end development on. Just because something is in the works does not mean it will release if they do not feel it will pan out. ATM all of the GaaS we know of from Sony are The Last of Us Factions, and some kind of Horizon (Monster Hunter like) game. Also keep in mind, they do own Bungie, and Destiny and there new project be it Destiny 3 and there new IP will likely be that. So just that on its own is near half of what we can best assume.

Main issue with GaaS now days is that its very over saturated. Keep in mind as well Battel Royal games are GaaS by nature also, hell CoD is GaaS. Halo Infinity, ditto. Really now days unless something is an honest to god single player game only the GaaS term gets over used.

Not sure if many played it (I loved it) Gun's Up was a GaaS for a long while, it was going to shut down till some youtubers gave it a bit of new life for another half of year. We know Sony Mobile is working on things and it not shock me if some of this stuff is targeted to the mobile market.

Right now Sony's biggest weakness I'd say is MP games. With that Firewalk studio from lots of vets they just acquired its quite likely there game will have GaaS stuff as part of it, that is still years down the line. I think everyone needs to chill out some and just wait and see what comes. We have not really got a real honest GaaS from Sony before this or even last gen really... At least as we know them now days. Such a broad term now.

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He’s been at PlayStation since the beginning, and seen the games industry transform beyond recognition. He talks unlikely successes, AI, and gaming’s future.

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Workshyskiver360d ago

A titan and a legend of the industry.

autoglope360d ago (Edited 360d ago )

Shue is great. .. He even mentioned Miazaki and Ueda,..

victorMaje360d ago

What a Legend. I salute you.

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