Resident Evil Creator Says PS4 And Xbox One Are "Almost Identical"

Shinji Mikami, creator of Resident Evil, currently working on the last game he’ll direct – The Evil Within – says “There’s no real difference between them,” when referring to Sony and Microsoft’s next generation machines in this month’s Edge magazine.

[majiebeast]

“We only need one console. Why do I have to make two versions of a game? And when Xbox One was first announced it had lower specs than PS4, but now they’re almost identical.

“So either will do.”

Did i miss this Xbone specs bump? I can only think that he means identical in architecture.

[Ultra]

The CPU & GPU speed increased, thats what we know of. Maybe the developers know more what we don't on final devkits.

Besides the Jaguar APUs, both architectures are just the opposite. One relies on offloading/balancing for steady fps and the other relies on brute raw performance.

[cleft5]

It's the "almost" part that makes me go with the PS4. Still I wish the Xbox One people well.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

yes a man is sure Sony, the HARDWARE MANUFACTURER, didn't balance their system at all. Hell PS3 was the least balanced system like ever and it still had better looking games than the easy to develop for 360 so a man can venture a guess as to what'll happen now.

[Elimin8]

You know what they say about 'almost'! It doesn't cou.....? But on a more serious note.. Both will be fine..

[Pogmathoin]

Specs are great, but games are greater... GTA 5 on PS3, but looks amazing on both systems. Great time to be a gamer, bottom line, let the fanboys duke it out over trivial things, me too busy playing the actual systems soon!! Just over 1 month left!!!!!

[christocolus]

its funny when ms said this no one believed..they released dev kits to most developers very late and even then the hardware, os and drivers wernt even close to being finalized...ms has been saying this .every game so far ms has shown all started on the very early dev kits..since then ms has done a lot of upgrades to os, drivers and even the hardware..but even at that games like ryse and quantum break are amazing even with the 10% gpu reserved for kinect..we know ms will release more of the gpu to devs but imagine what games made from the ground up using finalized dev kits will look like and now that developers are gettin their hands on the more recent dev kits theyv started realising just how powerful the xbx one really is... well shinji also hinted a while back that he would love to develop a horror game that uses kinects heart monitoring feature, looking forward to that too.?...

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

"Still I wish the Xbox One people well."

We'll be fine...

[gaffyh]

It's to do with the architecture, and they are almost identical in that sense, the only real difference is the RAM and the way you manage the data transfer on that. In terms of specs overall, PS4 is clearly significantly more powerful in every aspect, anyone that argues against that is a fanboy, plain and simple. It's not the same as PS3 vs 360, 360 had certain advantages in key areas, plus PS3 was notoriously difficult to code for. This time PS4 is more powerful in every technical spec, and both are using the same architecture = PS4 multiplats are VERY likely to look better.

/truth

/don't cry.

[XboxFun]

Interesting...

And yet another 3rd party dev saying that both consoles are almost identical and no significant differences in both.

And yet we get the spin committee saying that he has to say this due to livelihood or he doesn't want to get on MS's bad side.

So who do we believe?

I mean we can't take MS's first parties word because N4G claims it's all PR. Sony's first parties say the same thing and it's considered the gospel.

How many devs do we have to hear from who are all saying that the two consoles are pretty close with no real significant differences?

[Freedomland]

Quote from article,

"He’s obviously speaking in terms of development, rather than specifications, and it sounds as though they’ll both be more in line with PC architecture, making it easier to port these games due to the similarities with development"

Don't make it complicated, it's actually really simple.

[Skips]

@Gozer

"I just look at how Ryse puts the entire ps4 line up to shame graphically"

Going by most previews about how in actual gameplay, Ryse doesn't even feel next gen (gameplay wise and visually). The look on your face when it gets nothing but 5's and 6's will be hilarious. lol Ryse will be MS's Lair for sure.

And I like how most people here are missing the part where it says identical in architecture, not power. XD

[corvusmd]

And the ESRAM nearly doubled the bandwidth speed

[Deadpoolio]

Oh my god a 6% speed boost after it was downclocked to stop the system from frying itself...Lets stop pretending that the 0.06% boost is something significant and puts it on the level of the PS4

[UltimateMaster]

READ ARTICLES!

“We only need one console. Why do I have to make two versions of a game? And when Xbox One was first announced it had lower specs than PS4, but now they’re almost identical.

“So either will do.”

~He’s obviously speaking in terms of development, rather than specifications, and it sounds as though they’ll both be more in line with PC architecture, making it easier to port these games due to the similarities with development.

That's what the article says, damn, all this argument to which has the better specs could have been avoided with a 10 second read.

[Ezz2013]

@Freedomland & @UltimateMaster

hmmmmm,
he's not talking about specs
his talking about development

didn't notice that part
thank you
now it make sense

[u got owned]

@UltimateMaster

"He’s obviously speaking in terms of development, rather than specifications, and it sounds as though they’ll both be more in line with PC architecture..."

NO! if you read the quote from the article you posted is clear he's talking about specs, not architecture... here...

“We only need one console. Why do I have to make two versions of a game? And when Xbox One was first announced it had LOWER SPECS than PS4, but NOW they’re almost identical.

He is clearly talking about specs.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

@XboxFun....

Amazing how it's Devs with their names out there that say that too... but it's the unnamed Devs who say something different.

Easy to talk bad when nobody knows who you are or work for.

[black0o]

it's politic .. he can't downply any console since he wants to sell he game to both camps

[clouds5]

@Cleft5: So that negligible difference in performance is the deciding factor for you? Not the controller? Not the games? Not the price???

WTF.

[nukeitall]

@black0o:

"it's politic .. he can't downply any console since he wants to sell he game to both camps"

True, but devs with a name doesn't have to say anything at all.

There are numerous AAA dev already saying Xbox One and PS4 is pretty similar in power with minor differences in strength.

Guess that balance talk wasn't sh!t after all, and it shows. Ryse looks among the best games out there, and Forza 5 is 1080p at 60fps and not aimed at 60fps and running at 30fps like DriveClub.

In the end though, these specs don't matter. If it did, PC would be king cause nobody beats PC almost ever!

[Ezz2013]

he indeed mean identical in architecture...i think ?!
both are using the same specs
since both hardware are from AMD
but with ps4 ofcourse using the better specs
(the much stronger GPU and the GDDR5 unified RAM)

also keep in mind
this is a 3rd party dev
he can't say one is weaker than the other
but it's ok since we have the offical specs for both

[Death]

So a third party dev that is not dependant to either console isn't a relieable source, but a first party dev is more accurate? That's interesting since Microsoft claims that they have more processing power, but fans discount that as fantasy. To be clear, if Microsoft claims higher specs, they are wrong. If third parties say both systems are almost identical, they are wrong. If Sony claims more power, they are right since they are "official"?

[Ezz2013]

@death

1.no you are wrong
3rd party devs are much more dependant on both consoles
because their goal is to get money from both xb1/ps4 owners
so they will never say one is better than the other
this is a simple PR from 3rd party dev....he didn't put any facts to back his comment if you notice

2.MS don't have higher specs and i don't know where did you get that from
both can claim what they want
i don't believe any PR fromboth Sony & MS
look at FACTS only
i look at the Offical specs from both MS and Sony
and that's all what i need to know about which is better and more powerful
and any one with brain can know that ps4 having
50% more powerful GPU and much faster/better RAM
means it's the more powerful system

you can deny it all you want, hit disagrees like that change Facts lol, believe any PR you hear to feel better
but this is a simple FACT

[Death]

Believe me, I don't get off on specs like some seem to on this site. Microsoft claims to have something like 2.04 peak tflops with the speed increase and eSram. Sony is claiming 1.84 tflops. I don't personally believe Microsoft can sustain 2.04, but do think they can hit peak power close to that of Sony. I also don't believe Sony can sustain 1.84 since I'm still under the impression the GDDR5 will limit the CPU side of the Jaguar core to atleast a small degree. The GPU looks to be taking in some of the CPU load to help. Getting both consoles to work with a sigle memory source isn't an easy task since neither GDDR5 nor DDR3 are optimal for both a CPU and GPU. I think at the end of the day both companies are taking two different routes to come up with the same solution.

[JamieL]

@ Death
Nope you're wrong.
Sony4Life, power of the Cell, P2P is better than dedicated servers now, paying for MP is fine too, 8GB of GDDR5 Bee-ach, exclusives, apps not behind a pay wall, no camera=choice, Move's better, Sony had it first(no matter what you're talking about), Vita+PS3= better than WiiU. Anyone who thinks anything other than this has no business on this site, or right to live at all to be honest. Jump on the bandwagon or die.

[andibandit]

P2P is better than dedicated servers??????

Yeah right, host migrations and inconsistent lag is the bane of multiplayer gaming

[Ezz2013]

@Death

MS claim 2.04Tflops ....with 7790 GPU?! 0_0 lol XD
and you believe that ?!
they took out 10% of the GPU for Kinect and OS
sony didn't need to take out any thing from GPU since PScamera is not need for the console
that make the xbox GPU is even weaker than it already is
it was after the overclock 1.31Tflops but after they took 10% it fall back to 1.17tflops
that make PS4 GPU 56-60% more powerful
unless you have a link for sony talking out some of it GPU for not need things like PScam ?!
also read this
http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-g...

as for the RAM as @snp said below:

"PS4's GDDR5 supposidly taps out very close to it's theoretical max - 176GBps. In the real world the Esram taps out at 140-150GBps bandwith. This is without hypothetical where the GDDR5 provides dynamic solutions and the esram could theoretically prove of insufficient quantity and become a bottleneck."

like he said Esram infact become
a Bottleneck
developers won’t take them long to get their engine up and running with stable performance on PlayStation 4 while Xbox One required a lot more optimization to get up and running properly
so i think it will end up harder to work with
and it already much weaker than ps4

the CPU will not have any issue utilizing all the available bandwidth on ps4. After all, the data fetched by the CPU is simply being copied into the CPUs cache for processing. As long as said cache is faster than the RAM, there won't be a bottleneck.
going with GDDR5 was a better choice
also read this
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODU...
no matter how you spin it GDDR5 is the better and more faster Memory
and AMD confirm it as well
even 512GB GDDR5 is better/faster than 1GB DR3
ps4 have no flaws what so ever
and not a single developer is saying any thing but praise about ps4 hardware
can you prove it wrong with LINKS?!....no you simply can't

also this article is not talking about Specs
it's talking about development

FROM THE ARTICLE :
"He’s obviously speaking in terms of development, rather than specifications, and it sounds as though they’ll both be more in line with PC architecture, making it easier to port these games due to the similarities with development"

both have PC architecture which make it easier to port these games due to the similarities with development.

in the End
because i'm really getting tired of repeating myself for every xbox fan who still can't accept PS4 is the more powerful system
you want to believe what ever help you sleep the night and ignore the offical specs and facts ?!
ok cool ...what ever make you happy

[ambientFLIER]

JamieL

"@ Death
Nope you're wrong.
Sony4Life, power of the Cell, P2P is better than dedicated servers now, paying for MP is fine too, 8GB of GDDR5 Bee-ach, exclusives, apps not behind a pay wall, no camera=choice, Move's better, Sony had it first(no matter what you're talking about), Vita+PS3= better than WiiU. Anyone who thinks anything other than this has no business on this site, or right to live at all to be honest. Jump on the bandwagon or die."

That made me lol :) Nice job

[u got owned]

@Ezz2013

sorry dude, but where in the quote he's talking about development. Read carefully again, not the article but Mikami's quote:

"We only need one console. Why do I have to make two versions of a game? And when Xbox One was first announced it had L O W E R S P E C S than PS4, but N O W they’re almost identical."

He is clearly talking about specs, not development, the guy who wrote the article is the one saying he's talking about development, when Mikami clearly mention S P E C S on his quote, but you guys believe whatever make u sleep better at night ;)

[Ezz2013]

@u got owned

that quote was from the article not from me
also
this won't change any thing from the FACTS i said
which you ignored....hmmmmm,i wonder why ?!
all i have seen in this topic on this
(pro-sony site lol yeah right)
is stealth disagrees with the FACTS i posted and every single person already knew about them from the offical specs
and no one dare to prove it wrong with LINKS to back him up
i only believe in FACTS from the offical specs
i leave PR for you guys

damn!! i'm out of bubbles

[insomnium2]

Jamie, jamie, jamie....smh...

It's tough being a MS fan after all that happened last gen and upcoming gen so far. I feel for you.......

[JamieL]

@ insom
It must be even worse to automatically deny myself a whole group of games over some childish schoolyard bias, and put so much stock, and my own idenity into a TOY!!! I am sorry, but I think your attitude is the disease in this society, you’re the sad one because you think this imaginary MS vs Sony war actually exist, and is SOOOOO important. I'm a fanboy because I call out the most immature behavior I've ever seen grown men partake in, but in your head you're 100% right no matter what facts or objectivity may come into play.

Me -open minded, likes games not systems, calls out juvinile ridiculous "views" that he thinks are pointless= Fanboy
You - Close minded, hateful, loyal to 1 BRAND, no objectivity, with the view that unless the package says Sony it's garbage= True gamers

If that’s the case I'll be a fanboy any day.

[hello12]

The XB1 has a better CPU than the PS4 (about 10 to 15% better) thats going to help the XB1.

GPU is better with the PS4 ( better visuals) graphics)but not by much

In regards to memory i don't think its conclusive yet.

8gigs of GDDR5 is better than 8gigs of Dddr3 for graphics. GDDR5 has twice the bandwidth. Reason to how this 50 per cent better claim came about

But lot people forget the 32 MB ESRAM the Microsoft has also. It has a separate bandwidth closely matching the 8 gigs OF GDDR5 the PS4 is using. On paper the XB1 has more memory bandwidth, but its not unified.

Also exclusive to XB1 (Direct 11.2X) this will enhance graphics.

[majiebeast]

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Just stahp!

[monkeyDzoro]

LoooL

[CGI-Quality]

I'm guessing you don't understand the specs of these devices. Let's begin with that CPU difference - any source?

[Brazz]

1º) we still can't say nothing of CPU, there are no oficial clock/cache or any "final number" for ps4 and X1, plus, no dev have come to say "xbox one have better CPU". we can't even start to think all the modifications done by sony and mirosoft. even if there is a diference, it will probably be minimal

2º) same as above, but... there are a lots of people sying that the diference is big, some say 20%-50%, it's not oficial, but there are lot's of reports from devs. and other "insider" of the market... if this get a confirm. than this will be a big advantage for Ps4.

3º) Gddr5 vs ddr3 + Esram > let's be fair, i'm a huge defender of the gddr5, and i talk a lot whit some friends about the advantages of gddr5 over ddr3 + Esram. the thing is... yeah, for users this isn't that big of a deal... Developers will have easyer time whit Gddr5, and ddr3 + Esram will need more work, but in the end (if the developer put some work in this) the thing can work great for both. Gddr5 is something great for devs. (make things more easy), but ,if the dev. want, they cando the same whit X...

4º)that point is kind of... interesting... ya see, Directx isn't good.... i dare say that opengl is better. do ya know why? because openGl is open and have the heads of likes of Nvidia and AMD in it! sure, Directx is better than openGL if you use it on windows, but be sure of this, when things come to consoles, that things are done from "the metal" (basic code level) and there is no "windows" to work for directx, openGL will have the upperhand.

[imt558]

WTF are you talking about? 150 MHz more CPU clock in XO is nothing. And it's not 10%, it's 9%.

OpenGL 4.4 say hi to DirectX 11.2

[Jaqen_Hghar]

What the? 10-15% better is going to help when it's Xbox but 50% better won't help PS4 by much? Also GPU is the most IMPORTANT part of the gaming equation. Just ask any PC gamer.

[Kayant]

"On paper the XB1 has more memory bandwidth, but its not unified. "

On paper also according to major nelson the X360 has more bandwidth then both consoles --->

"Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360′s (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth"

http://majornelson.com/2005...

Also if you think the Laptop CPUs in XB1 & PS4 matter this gen that much then looool. PS3's Cell is more powerful than both same can be said for X360 probably. Both consoles have similar CPUs so the upclock done to the XB1's will make a different but not as much as you think. Also PS4 CPU clock speed might be have also received a upclock but that is speculation for now as the clock speed is unconfirmed since the leaks. The GPU will be more important.

Direct 11.2X might be exclusive to XB1 but PS4's API support DX11.2+ features http://www.gdcvault.com/pla...

[Volkama]

I dunno, typically when a PC gamer buys a higher end card they also overclock their CPU to avoid bottlenecking it. And we're talking in excess of 4ghz here, there wouldn't be much point in investing anything into graphics with a 1.75ghz CPU on a PC.

The CPUs on both systems still look like the weak link, but nobody has really complained or complimented so hopefully it's a non-issue.

[AndrewLB]

People don't seem to understand that some of the GPU power gap will be closed because of how much more efficient the Xbone's DirectX API is than the variant of OpenGL found on PS4.

Plus i'm certain M$ will have a more efficient operating system thats highly optimized. OS's are what they do for a living.

[Golden_Mud]

DDR3 isn't for graphics.....

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

No, just no.

[corvusmd]

I love how you are getting downvoted for just using logic, and the Sony trolls can't handle that. Speaking the truth always seems to piss them off. Don't worry, Nov 15th is almost here and we will all get a small break when they play their 20 hours of KZ....then it's just 6 days and we won't ever have to hear them again.

[Deadpoolio]

Um please learn what your talking about before trying to talk specs....No the CPU in the One80 is not better, I believe they are actually the same......and we know for a FACT that 8gb of GDDR5 IS WITHOUT A DOUBT better than 8gb of DDR3...And NO 32mn of Esram does NOT put it in the realm of GDDR5, not on paper and not in reality...Stop believing the crap that Xbots keep pulling out of their asses

[Eonjay]

A lot of the components are the same, but the architectures are wildly different. Xbox One uses ESRAM and DDR3. PS4 uses GDDR5. This means memory is managed differently on different consoles. The Xbox One has a faster CPU. The PS4 has a more powerful GPU. The Xbox One has a more powerful audio chip for processing Kinect. The PS4 has doesn't have a mandatory camera. Xbox uses Direct X. PS4 uses OpenGl and PSSL. They are both shades of black.

So its all about context. But, its is practically impossible to have these two machines give identical max performances. Physics always wins.

[fghtrer3fb5erg]

WAit a second, what do you know about the ps4 cpu? as far as we all know sony has only talked about the gpu and the second chip.

[Eonjay]

Excellent question DatRamboX

Actually we know because we understand the technology that AMD says the Jaguar CPU is based on. They are actually the same in both systems, but Microsoft Up-clocked their CPU because they felt that they needed to give developer more power.

[Dusdg]

We do know that the Xbox one does not have to use any cores to process any audio as the shape chip will be doing it all. The ps4 on the other hand has to use the CPU to do most audio processing before it sends it off to its audio chip.

[Eonjay]

@Dusdg

If you are pinning you hopes on audio; you are lost.

[IRetrouk]

@dusdg,
You are wrong, the ps3 does have an audio chip, how about using google to go find the proof, cause u know, it is out there.

Got bored here you go.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...

Click on hardware and have a wee read.

[ballsohard2013]

Wasnt it found that the X1 had a stronger CPU? Also that Ps4 had 8gb GDDR5 vs 8gb GDDR3 + 32MB ESRAM giving X1 more bandwidth? Also whats the impact of Direct 11.2x on x1?

I think many ppl on both fanboy sides exaggerate. Graphically i dont think its possible that in the next 10-15 years you will really see that much better unless you're talking about 4k gaming. Give me the best graphics pc game which most consider these: Crysis 3, Crysis 1, Modded Skyrim, Battlefield 3, Arkham City, Witcher 2 and the Modded GTA 4. After you look at these... its safe to say ps4 & x1 will approach those levels.

Besides theres not enough developers with gifted personnel to push the boundaries of the imagination or even the hardware in front of them. I would never have thought GTA5 would be possible on Ps3/x360

[hello12]

Sony fans never research and thats their problem. They hear their console is 50 per cent better and they think thats the truth. I don't knock the PS4 its a good console, just like the XB1

An article on Edge Online discusses just what these hardware differences mean, and that more raw power might not be enough to give Sony a big advantage in the next generation.

“DDR5 is basically 50 per cent more powerful than DDR3,” says Anton Yudintsev CEO of Gaijin Entertainment. “But the memory write is bigger on Xbox One. So it depends on what you’re doing. PS4 is more powerful, but you can’t just write to the memory, you need to read sometimes.”

“They maybe have a little more GPU,” says Lobb. “We have eSRAM [embedded memory] and crazy bandwidth to that eSRAM. Which is going to be better in the long run from a developer? We’re going to see as the games go head to head. A lot of it will come down to – as always – which exclusive teams push a piece of hardware best.”

These exclusive teams are the ones that are working with the first party games on both consoles. We aren’t likely to see huge differences in fidelity between third party games across both platforms, the major differences will be found on the games that are exclusive to each platform.

[snp]

-----
“They maybe have a little more GPU,” says Lobb. “We have eSRAM [embedded memory] and crazy bandwidth to that eSRAM. Which is going to be better in the long run from a developer? We’re going to see as the games go head to head. A lot of it will come down to – as always – which exclusive teams push a piece of hardware best.”
-----

'maybe have a little more GPU'... there's no 'maybe' about it? Who is this 'Lobb' fellow? Off to do my research..

ed: Ken Lobb of Microsoft? For real? This is the guy we're quoting to vaguely suggest no empirical advantage to the PS4's hardware? With his quote sourced and placed, somewhat misleadingly ('mischievously' even) under a quote a far more sanguine one from a genuine third party software rep - with no mention that Lobb is an MS employee - to make it seem like an independents analysis. Not cool dude.

[Hicken]

"8gb GDDR3 + 32MB ESRAM giving X1 more bandwidth?"

Yes, a higher peak theoretical bandwidth for 32MB at a time is DEFINITELY higher. 32MB at 196/s or 212/s or something obviously surpasses a full 8GB running at 176/s.

"but you can’t just write to the memory, you need to read sometimes."

I guess someone hasn't heard the PS4 can read AND write at the same time.

[Magicite]

Shinji Mikami needs his eyes to be checked.

[nypifisel]

Kinda makes no sense. What has changed lol? the 9% upclock isn't relevant in any way, I honestly don't get why they did it seeing how diminished the return is. Anyway it doesn't explain how a 9% cpu upclock can fill the 50% GPU gap lol

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Beast

“We only need one console. Why do I have to make two versions of a game? And when Xbox One was first announced it had lower specs than PS4, but now they’re almost identical."

You missed this part.

"when Xbox One was first announced it had lower specs than PS4,"

Now that MS made the changes the X1. PS4 and X1 are nearly identical. According to him of course.

I'm not sure why the writer thinks its architecture when the guy clearly said X1 had lower specs at first.

[Blaze929]

"almost identical" does not equate to "50% more powerful/faster"

...if such were the case, we would obviously see that with launch PS4 games vs Xbox One - but we don't.

Truth hurts, PS4 not as strong as you all believe it to be over the Xbox One. Only, the Xbox One has extra resources - the cloud.

[nypifisel]

We do actually see it in launch games.. All PS4 titles with confirmed resolution is at 1080p. Xbox One only got 1 game as far as I know (Forza), and for that to even be possible they have no AA solution, pre-baked lighting, no day/night cycles and so on, not very impressive.

[showtimefolks]

Fanboys are happy when they say this or that is more powerful, bottom lime is games count, and if Sony delivers like it did on ps3 than MS just won't be able to compete

It's amazing that most of Sony's big studios haven't even announced a game for ps4 yet and it's about to launch, than you take into affect that many of independent studios like ready at dawn are also working with Sony

Ps4 for ultimate gaming console
Xbox one more for entertainment and causal games on kinect

Both will succeed but both will target different audience

[JsonHenry]

I'm more disturbed by the fact the guy keeps saying we only need one system. If you believe that then just develop for the PC. I'm a firm believer in competition though. I'm glad we have more than one.

[MEGANE]

If they where able to bump specs in two weeks they wouldn't need 5 or 6 years to develop a console. A significant increase in performance will have all the engineers back to the drawing board.
Now to the resident evil creator... this is why your franchise is been death since RE4, cause you can even se the difference in features and exploit them(like kinect or the touch pad on the PS4 controller... he wants to convince him self he only needs one game for two consoles.... they don't want to make different experience for gamers that own 2 consoles. This is y why Capcom is behind many western developers.

[Dagobert]

He's a developer who's not exclusive to Sony so naturally he has to praise both systems.

[FunkMacNasty]

GAME DEVELOPER: "both systems are pretty much the same...no biggie".

NERDS ON THE INTERNET: "This guy that does this for a living has no idea what he's talking about... The Ps4 is 190,000 times more powerful!!!!!!!!"

[Mr Blings]

aka 3rd party studios will make their games on par regardless if one system is ultimately more powerful. It is good business sense. All comes down to first party studios. Unless...COD is truly running 1080p ps4 vs 720p Xbox One...LOL I kid I kid.

[Amphion]

"almost" doesn't count.

[pixelsword]

Resident Evil Creator Says PS4 And Xbox One Are "Almost Identical"

Roseanne Barr and Scarlett Johansson are also "almost identical", but the little things mean a lot.

[_QQ_]

There you have it an actual source that isn't some anonymous indie dev, Well then can we stop with the" Hur xbax holding back meh PS4" Nonsense.

look at what carmack said as well.

[hadouken007]

Alot of ps3 games are almost identical to 360 game and slightly better on 360 but is called a 360 win...?

[BBBirdistheWord]

oh no. no no no.

This is n4g.com
No matter what the usable and realistic specs
No matter what the developer comments
No matter the reality

The ps4 is +50% because the comments say so

/s

[Ezz2013]

""No matter what the usable and realistic specs""

other than the offical specs that we all know
what realistic specs are you talking about ?!

also ps4 is not 50% more powerful
it more like 30-35% more powerful thanks to the 50% more powerful GPU and much faster/better RAM

[JasonKCK]

lol BBBirdistheWord

Here, have a bubble.

[Gozer]

When you take into account the Esram, the X1 has the bandwidth advantage over the GDDR5 of the ps4. But this is N4G, so we are supposed to forget all about that and just say the GDDR5 is more powerful because sony said so.

[snp]

When you take into account the Esram, the X1 has the bandwidth advantage over the GDDR5 of the ps4. But this is N4G, so we are supposed to forget all about that and just say the GDDR5 is more powerful because sony said so.
------

Actually in real world the PS4's GDDR5 supposidly taps out very close to it's theoretical max - 176GBps. In the real world the Esram taps out at 140-150GBps bandwith. This is without hypothetical where the GDDR5 provides dynamic solutions and the esram could theoretically prove of insufficient quantity and become a bottleneck.

Look, thing is, i don't even care about the power difference that much. I'm coming from a PC background where neither is going to floor me specs wise.. but this wishing and hoping and tapping ones ruby slippers together and desperately begging the PS4's hardware advantage relative to the Xbox1 is somehow, magically, not going to be an actual advantage or never ever show... it's unhealthy, and odd.

[Ezz2013]

@snp
no matter what FACTS you post
no matter what the offical specs show
they will ignore all that
and believe any PR from 3rd party studios that all they want to sell their games on all systems
so don't bother

even NEOGAF is laughing at this

[Imalwaysright]

True. Legendary devs have come out and stated the same thing. 1st Kojima followed by Carmack and now Mikami. I'll take their word over anonymous devs any day of the week.

[HiddenMission]

Maybe you should do your research because all 3 of those sources have been tainted.

Carmack has always preferred XBOX over PlayStation...equals biased.

Kojima has been trying to gain more western appeal for years which is why he has been focusing the majority of his efforts with MS and XBOX...agenda here to consider.

Mikami is trying to promote his new title and MS is looking for 3rd parties willing to take some cash and are willing to do damage control for them...another agenda here.

Now I'm not saying that other devs saying that the PS4 is more powerful don't have their own agendas or are biased but instead I'm saying take all of them with a grain of salt until we are a year or so into next gen.

This way we can then do a healthy review of who was full of shit and who was paid to do damage control.

[Imalwaysright]

We're not talking about some dumbass fanboys that make their life mission defending or talking crap about pieces of plastic on the internet. We're talking about some of the most respected and influential devs in the industry so I'll definetely take their word over some anonymous devs or fanboys with agendas and conspiracy theories on the internet.

[Volkama]

Ha ha "tainted".

Go find a reputable quote favouring either console that we can't consider "tainted" using your established logic.

[HiddenMission]

Looks like neither of you actually took the time to read my response comment.

The only untainted perspective is the consumer who doesn't care about forums or comment threads. Devs and publishers and the big 3 have vested interested so they can't really be trusted except for the hard spec numbers...vague comments without cold hard facts that can be tested mean nothing.

That's all I'm saying that's all because you could easily flip the coin to the other side and get the same response. Hell if you want to take 3 devs who say they are equal I can find between 20 and 40 who are in favor of the PS4 or 10 to 15 who say the opposite.

So none of them are to be trusted with vague comments like this.

[Imalwaysright]

Oh I read your comment: full of opinionated conspiracy theories that you can't back up with hard cold facts.

As for those 20 devs, please tell me their names because I've never heard of them.

Also those untainted consumers you speak off (me included)will only be able to judge on which is more powerful 2 or 3 years from now wich is when the devs, that actually work on these consoles, will start maxing them out. Until then I'll take the word of people that have the knowledge and are actually working with these consoles over anonymous sources and biased fanboys.

[ziggurcat]

RE creator is an anonymous indie dev, now?

[_QQ_]

thats what i am saying. reread my comment

[ziggurcat]

@ lopez:

good god, i must be pretty tired... totally misread :(

[chrissx]

There's a fine line between almost identical and identical. We all know Ps4 is more powerful u can sugar coat it all u like

[_QQ_]

Probably to the point where it doesn't make much a difference...

[Jovanian]

Compared to a PC the difference between power of the PS4 and XB1 is trivial at best

So there.

And watch how peoples brains suddenly switch, and 'graphics matter' suddenly becomes 'graphics don't matter!'

[scott182]

"A pc" what PC? My PC? sure my PC has better specs but not all do. It's hard to compare a machine built from the ground up with the sole purpose to be a efficient as possible for gaming to a PC that's used for tons of things at any given time, so you can't really compare specs side by side with a PC... That's why we compare console to console.

[Jovanian]

By your logic, my PC has been built from the ground up (by myself) in order to make it as efficient at gaming as possible. Therefore, I am able to compare it to consoles

[scott182]

Actually that's not my logic.. You're not understanding the point I guess I worded it wrong. PC games are not made for one specific system and designed with just those specs in mind to run as efficiently as possible for THAT machine. Games are built from the ground up to run as smoothly as possibly knowing the exact specs the machine has and knowing exactly what they need to do to program for those specific specs as efficiently as possible.

[lifeisgamesok]

Sorry dude but if the Ps4 was just a little more powerful to the point where there's an advantage he wouldn't have said identical he would've said minimal or very little

[snp]

Who knows? It's all relative. They're also making a PC version. If the Xbox1 is putting out 200 (assigning numbers for simplicities sake), the PS4 280-300 and the PC version maxes out at 700.. relatively speaking the Xbox1/PS4 seem like a wash.

And there's also politics involved in all this. When dev's have spoken to reputable publications on condition of anonymity they've put the difference at 40-50% (and gone into much greater spec by spec and 'software environmental/tools' detail than the very ambiguous 25 or so words grab of this bit). Logically looking at the hardware that seems like it would be right.

[Saithraphim]

The numbers suggest that the spec bump the Xbox got only marginally increased the performance. I agree both platforms are great, but considering what other Devs are saying i don't see them being "almost identical"

[GmIsOnPt360]

LOL shot to the heart of the PS4 is king talk hahah

[josephayal]

The PS4 has 50% more raw power in graphics

[thrust]

Dev disagrees with you, who knows more?

[josephayal]

With ME? When the developers are the one working on the two consoles, if its from the devs mouths it mast be true

[hollabox]

Its more like 30 to 40 percent depending on what perspective you look at it from. Which is not an huge amount like everybody make it out to be. Now if the PS4 was something like 3-5 times more powerful than yes expect to see an huge difference.

[gnothe1]

Oh nooo...it can't be....

[lifeisgamesok]

Well that settles it "identical" specs definitely don't mean 50% more power

But we already knew this from seeing Ryse, Quantum Break, and Forza in all their glory

[MRMagoo123]

I guess you are another one that doesnt read before vomiting forth BS, but believe the stuff you make it up to be it will make it all the worse when the consoles are out and the games on the xbone are always lower rez and lower performance compared to the ps4.

[lifeisgamesok]

I guess you're the idiot that thinks higher resolution is automatically better graphics when better shading/lighting will win every time

And Ryse is the best looking game

It performs great fanboy

[TheEnigma313]

For 100 dollars more, The xbox should be more powerful, but it isn't.

[thrust]

Kinect is boxed with it

[MasterCornholio]

Thank you for explaining why its weaker.

In this case better specs was the tradeoff to get Kinect bundled with the system at 499$.

Nexus 7 2013

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

You make that sound like a good thing.

[BlunderbusDriver]

Like Thrust said, this is because of Kinect.

Also, this gen Sony doesn't have a credible answer to Kinect. They would have boxed their camera with the PS4 otherwise.

They are saying they din't box it due to price. I think its more due to the fact that it can't compete well with Kinect 2.0

If looking at hardware we only look at processing, Sony has an advantage. If looking at hardware involves all of the hardware, then this becomes a completely different question.

[TheEnigma313]

I don't think many people want kinect anyways. Most people who are buying an xbone doesn't even want it.

[Ko_Uraki]

If the difference will be only between some games with a res of 720p/900p upscaled to 1080p on xboxone and 1080p native on ps4...yes they will be almost identical despite what fanboys are saying.

[Xsilver]

"Almost identical" does not mean that something is the same as the other so one console is higher that's a fact.

[Niv]

Talking about architecture, not POWER!

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

Its all about context though. Compared to the ps3 and 360 they are almost identical. Compared to a wii u and ps4 they are almost identical.

It all depends how wide his view is when he makes the comparison I guess.

I am talking architecture btw.

i.e. 360 and ps3 are very different. ps4 and one are not. architecturally.

[PFFT]

John Carmack, Hideo Kojima and now Shinji Mikami have all pretty much said the same thing. Those three's words have more credibility than all those so called UNNAMED Developers put together. So there you have it.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

You are using the appeal to authority fallicy. His words mean nothing in the face of the confirmed specs.

[PFFT]

Your so called confirmed specs are 5 or 6 months old. Both systems have changed one way or the other but your blinded fanboyism doesnt let you see that.

[buynit]

Well damn if well known devs dont mean anything then none of you are saying anything... credibility> n4g

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Unless you have any proof of Microsoft and Sony switching their current hardware configuration with better chips than your response is wishful thinking. The only thing that has changed is minor upclocks to the GPU and CPU.

[forcefullpower]

This comes from a dev that hasn't made a decent game in years.

[badkolo]

neither have you, at least hes a dev

[DigitalAnalog]

And all of them uses the term "identical". An ambiguous term. I can say Brad Pitt and Jim Carrey are "identical" because they have penises, they're actors and they are men does that make them the "same"?

Heck, both the PS3 and 360 are "identical" in power (much more than next-gen) but why is it that developers don't use this term, huh?

[buynit]

Wtf?!

Talk about a fly ball to the right field and your running to the left!

[Imalwaysright]

Oh look it here, the "I dont like what he said so I'll dismiss what he achieved in this industry to make me feel better" tactic.

You guys used the same tactic when Carmack basically said the same the thing and all you achieved was giving the impression that you're 12 years old that started gaming this gen.

[windblowsagain]

Almost identical my ass.

[KontryBoy706]

Almost doesn't count

[stuna1]

Exactly! What people fail to grasp is the term "ALMOST", that word can be used to describe a minute' similarity or it could be used as a all encompassing term! Almost identical in no way means identical! No matter how someone may spin it to fit their argument. Sure there developers stating these consoles are "almost identical", but how is this any different from what we've heard this as well as past generations!? We've heard claims throughout this generation how things were touted to be almost identical on the hardware as well as the software side of things, and the majority of the times this has turned out to be completely and utterly false! An Example would be FFXIII.

Mind you some of these almost identical claims came from.......Yes, well known and respected developers. On top of this, it is statistically impossible for these consoles to be even almost identical, because even if they had the exact CPU and GPU, it still wouldn't account for the other vital components that make up the inner workings of each respective console. This generation was made up a diverse group of gamers from different platforms, it's only logical to believe that developers in general will try to appeal to as many gamers on as many platforms this coming gen, even if it means pitting platform against platform.

EDIT; And for those that still find it hard to differentiate the difference in Hardware, please refer to the section titled "EXCLUSIVE"!

[BattleTorn]

almost
/ˈɔːlməʊst/
adverb
1. not quite; very nearly.
----------------------------- -----
So, how exactly does 'almost identical' mean "no way" idenitcal to you?

Or could it be that you hate the concept of console parity?

[stuna1]

You answered your own question! Not quite; Very nearly! Meaning not exactly. Next time think before typing. And the question still remains in what area or areas are they "Almost Identical"?

Better yet re-read my comment, because it was explained in detail.

[The Meerkat]

So its down to the games then.

I'm going for the one that lets me play War Thunder.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

A PC?

[TripC50]

Noice

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Confirmed specs allow me to dismiss the words of this man. Anyone using this guys words to back there arguments is commting the appeal to authority fallicy. That is all.

[ambientFLIER]

The words of a developer mean much more to people than some n4g warrior (you) that bases his knowledge on only raw numbers.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

I don't care what my words mean to the deluded like yourself, your opnion means nothing in the face of facts. #dealwithit

[stuff]

Sounds to me like he's just complaining about having to do his job. Somehow I get the feeling that he made this comment after having a few drinks.

[Dante81]

Other than resolution, they are practically identical.

[sigfredod]

The key word is "almost" for a few difference a game can be output in 1080p and other in "almost" full hd in one console or other

[pinocchio2600]

I agree with meerkat. It gonna come down to the games. X1 games were the clear winners at e3.

[LiQuiZoN]

Disagree and a very shortsighted view. Long term investment of a gaming console is more than 1 year or sic months. Sony is strong for the entire lifecycle. This is undeniable. Microsoft is I'm it for the fast cash,not the innovation of evolution of gaming.

[theEx1Le]

You can only base that on how the 360 life cycle went towards the last couple of years in terms of games. You can't say for certain that is the way MS is gonna play out this gen.

[IRetrouk]

While i agree that you cant say that micro will follow the same pattern that they went with the 360, they did kinda the same thing with the original xbox, two consoles in a row of no real support after the first 3 or so years isnt really a good sign, i wouldnt be 100% confident that they wouldnt do the same again, you never know this could be the gen that micro really challanges the playstation name.

[grassyknoll]

If anyone thinks that anyone who works for the big publishers will speak out against Microsoft or Sony, you're living in a dream world. The proof will most definitely be in the games!

[tigertom53]

PS4 is like a big muscle car, while the X1 is an average every day car, Microsoft decided to tweak the car by making it lighter which would be dedicated high-end audio processor, adding a turbo charger which the ESRAM, and other move engines to make it more competitive to the PlayStation's Muscle car "PS4". It seems that most people are just comparing 400 HP Muscle car to 200 Hp everyday sedan say it has 50% percent more power, but forgetting about all the tweaks under the hood to make it more competitive. At the end of the day it which one wins at the finish line that matters. let the games speak for themselves when they are released and am sure they will be pretty much neck and neck at the finish line..

[BlunderbusDriver]

cool analogy.

Also the Xbox car has more high tech features (kinect). It can respond to the driver in more ways than the muscle car.

FWIW - I am muscle car fan, though. That's a different forum :-)

[tigertom53]

well maybe a luxury sedan. yes you got a lot of nice tech with the X1 like, TV input, multi OS to run multiple apps while playing a game, High End Gigabit Ethernet, WiFi Direct super high bandwidth and super clear chat audio, improved on one of the best controller also adding "vibrating, impulse Triggers". and one of the best internet services....

[hello12]

I haven't enough bubbles to reply, to the discussion above. The PS4 isn't 50 per cent more powerful. Sony fans ignoring the ESRAM its just fanboy logic i guess.

We know the CPU of the Sony console because its a off the shelf part with a known clock speed of 1.6 GHZ confirmed by Sony, look it up.

The Microsoft CPU runs at 1.75GHZ

[Dante81]

A down-clocked 7870 eats a 7790 for lunch.

[theEx1Le]

Well yes, on paper, but it all depends on how its used. Pretty sure the Ps3 had the weaker GPU this gen and look what happened there.

[IRetrouk]

Again with the off the shelf bulls..t i keep hearing, mark has already stated, countless times that every chip in the ps4 is customised, use google, its your friend, the thing that i dont understand is why your so up in arms about the ps4 being more powerfull, which by the way is fact not one of your made up off the shelf retorts. just enjoy your one for what its going to give you and stop worrying about the other console.

[srd4484]

This can't be true!!! It's not from an anonymous source or indie dev...I refuse to believe this.

- Sony fanboy

[Lboogieskells]

I'm looking forward to the The Evil Within, but I can't take this dev's opinion seriously. The Evil Within isn't winning any awards in the visual department. Looks like it could run on a low end PC or current gen console.

“We only need one console. Why do I have to make two versions of a game?"

I gather from his demeanor and the way he answered the questions, the last thing he is worried about are unlocking either of the consoles potential.

[Scatpants]

This just in, person who's livelyhood depends on both consoles says both consoles are good.

[JCOLE13195]

My thoughts on this... The PS4 being more powerful wont sway my decision. The system I chose is based off of the games it has and what it offers to me. I'm getting an Xbox One and I'm not afraid to admit that the PS4 has the superior specs. It's more powerful. It's a FACT. Even as a person who is getting an Xbox it still kind of annoys me when they try to sugarcoat it.

[ZHZ90]

Q: You mean it annoys you that "PS4 is more powerful" or "people trying to hide that PS4 is more powerful"?

But anyways, I am getting PS4 because of its games from Sony's owned studios(like ND, SSM, Sucker Punch etc) and 3rd Parties(like R*, Konami, SE, EA etc) (PS4's Exclusives and Multiplats).

The power of PS4 and PS4 being cheaper and improvement of Dualshack 4 with addition of touchpad are all bonus to me.

[JCOLE13195]

It annoys me when people try to hide the fact that the PS4 is more powerful. I mean yeah the Xbox has its advantages but no sweet talking can deny the fact that the PS4 boasts a better GPU and faster RAM. It's just a simple fact. And those are all great reasons no doubt, I'm sure the PS4 will have games that will absolutely rock. For instance, The Order looks very interesting. But anyways, have fun with your PS4! I'm quite excited to see how both consoles turn out :)

[DoubleM70]

Me being a first generation gamer. I'm excited for both consoles. I love seeing a Hobby that I took up back in 1979 flourish. I just hate the fanboys on both sides it's very freaking annoying. I guess social media have just made it worst over the years. Can't wait to buy both system.

[Ezz2013]

at least you are honest
much respect to you
i wonder why xbox fans still can't accept that

[FullmetalRoyale]

I would recommend that people try to be a little more confident in themselves.

What I mean is: Who cares if your system of choice isn't as strong as another? Are you so blinded by insecurities that the idea of your console of choice being a little weaker RUINS your gaming experience? Marinate on that.

And my fellow Sony guys: Basically the same questions here. Are we so insecure that we need to rub "victory" in other each others' faces? That is just as sad, if not more. Some of the people here seriously can't even handle winning.

Maybe there is screen-tearing on some XBOX game, maybe there isn't. People on both sides are so freaking sensitive and defensive that they are willing to jump on virtually ANYTHING that can be perceived as negative.
I guess a big part of it is that a lot of younger people are on here. I can accept that. What I don't accept is the behavior of adults and teens alike. I honestly cannot tell the difference in age anymore by what people are saying.

I'm not getting a PS4 because it's better than the other guy. I'm getting a PS4 because Sony gives me what I as an individual desire. Why isn't that enough anymore?

I actually know the answers to most of my own questions, by the way. It's all insecurity.

I'll leave you all with something that my grandmother told me. I ask that you simply think about it for a few seconds, regardless of whether you are the cliche internet bully or the one being antagonized because you like a certain game.

"The way that people treat you reflects how they feel about themselves, not you."

The people that make fun of you for what you like have either been made to feel ashamed, or are afraid of being mocked themselves. Don't let someone take your day away from you. They aren't tough, they are weak. YOU are strong. Anyone that tries to make you feel sadness are miserable. They are miserable. Feel sorry for them, not for yourself. <<<<<THAT is what I told my little eight year-old cousin when his classmates made fun of him for dressing up as a soldier. Not a wizard, or a pirate..... A soldier.

Ot: Uhhhh..... *crickets*

[Ksar]

As expected :)

[ZHZ90]

Yes it is expected to see a 3rd party video game developer who is making games for Sony and MS to say this because all he cares is money and doesn't want to say which is better than other, PS4 and Xbox One. Or else he'll lose sells in one of the two versions.

And already developers including the ones that made Gears admitted and said that PS4 is way more powerful.
http://www.gamesthirst.com/...

Not to mention we all already know specs of each which proves that PS4 is more powerful.

Even MS admits that PS4 is more powerful but they used the word "faster" instead of "more powerful"
http://gamingrunts.com/micr...

Sorry but tbh you failed in trolling.

EDIT: Oh btw, I said and I'll say it again, if you think there are people like myself getting PS4 just for spec difference you would be so wrong. I getting it because of its games(exclusives and multiplats). As for specs, being cheaper and such are just bonus to me and pther PS4 people.(Just to give information for trolls including you)

And even if PS4 is way more powerful it doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy Xbox One, its games(exclusives and multiplats) and Kinect.

And hope we all enjoy gaming together and goodluck.

[Sm00thNinja]

I love how N4G>developer. You all need help. This much denial isn't healthy. I don't think anyone will dispute that the PS4 is the most powerful console on earth. But just because this developer didn't say it's 50% more their credibility is questioned. How old are you people?

[cactusjack]

EA loves sony when xbox games dont sell. i hope sony installs a doggy door just for EA.

[LiQuiZoN]

Time will prove that the ps4 is a more dominant power. Even launch games are telling the tale. Paying 100$ more and getting less is the typical Microsoft way. I'm sick of it!

[H0RSE]

Awesome...N4G console players are all software developers and computer engineers again... Aren't PC players considered "elitist" when they start assuming superiority by comparing stats like this?

[ElementX]

Indie developers seem to think PS4 is more powerful, mainstream developers seem to think they are pretty close. I don't know who to believe... people who have developed PC games in the past or people who have worked on consoles for years...

[kupomogli]

More third party devs have said that PS4 is much more powerful than third party devs have said that the PS4 and Xbox One are mostly identical.

Even though DICE is EA and they've been backing Microsoft, there are plenty of times they've said the PS4 is more powerful. Another interview that said more power is always better and referenced the "more powerful on paper" quote from someone.

Here's something posted this month that has a BF4 dev stating the PS4 version would be 900p while Xbox One would be 720p.

http://bf4central.com/2013/...

[Thomaticus]

I hate when companies say "we've made both games identical" because it makes me feel like once version could have been better. I would rather them say, "both versions have been optimized for both consoles."

[andrewsqual]

Shinji Mikami also said before the PS2 launched in 1999 that graphics weren't everything and he doesn't care about better technology. He then went on to completely remake Resident Evil on the Gamecube as he was clearly dissatisfied with the original, the hypocritical sod :)

[cbuc1125]

@MorePowerOfGreen
Dude you are seriously delusional. Get some help.

[byeGollum]

hmm. . whom to believe. . an actual developer or the credible developers on N4G :) . . decisions decisions. .

[MRMagoo123]

hmmm then if you feel that way go back to all the devs saying the ps4 is the most powerful console and believe them too, you cant just pick one because it goes with your agenda, not one dev yet has said they are the same power , ppl reference carmack the guy who himself said had done no benchmark tests and was talking about architecture, then you have actual devs that have been working with the consoles and have also said the ps4 is more powerful. It will be evident at release when games are lower res and have things taken out on the xbone versions compared to the ps4 ones. Its already happening and it will continue to happen.

Then when first party exclusive games start rolling out in a year the differences will be all the more visable. MS could just get it over with now by simply telling ppl "yeh the ps4 has more power the games will probably run better but we dont care we feel at MS you will all enjoy your xbox one as much or more so because of the gaming content we have coming" and that will make most of the fighting stop.

[quenomamen]

" Almost " doesn't cut it for extra $100. You get 2 hookers one charges you $400 to have sex with her, the other one charges you $500 and ALMOST lets you have sex with her. Now add the fact that her pimp originally wanted her to call him every 15 mins to check on her.

[Welcome2Die]

Yep they are almost nearly identical except for the fatc that DA POWAH OF DAH CLOUD!!!!! Didnt you guys forget that its supposed to make 1 Xbone into 3??

[annus]

Even though MS have gone to ridiculous lengths to hype up their 'cloud', cloud and cluster processing does exist, and it works extremely well. I'm sure using data mining and some sort of business intelligence systems would make for some pretty powerful bots. Basically anything that requires large amounts of processing pre-match would benefit massively from a cloud, though anything they wanted to do during a game wouldn't work very well due to latency.

[Welcome2Die]

They havent proved anything and everyone wants them to put up or shut up, they wont put up and they wont shut up!

[sovkhan]

People should read this :

http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

[loci]

I have checked the latest issue of EDGE (and last months, just in case) and these Mikami quotes are not in them.

[wishingW3L]

I wonder what he means by this:

"And when Xbox One was first announced it had lower specs than PS4, but now they’re almost identical."

What has MS done to the XB1 to make it identical? I don't think a 6.6% clock-speed would be enough.

[etownone]

I'm getting Xbox1....
For the franchises I love, the online, the controller....
And believe it or not.... Having some fun with next gen Kinect.

I think it will be years before we see the differences in games if ps4 does prove to be superior, if that. And if it is.... I'll get a ps4 then. If it's only 400 now, in a couple years it will be at 300.

[lawlesdweller]

Well im glad i will have both but on the flip side give me the AAA titles on PS4 any day. Also PS4 has some really cool title advantages from Watchdogs to ACBF (six Months exclusive) and then we have Titanfall on Xbone which is one of the reasons i have bought it BUT they wont comment on exclusive deal.

People will always have a reason to say one is better than the other but from what i can see personally PS4 is doing well enough at present to say they took the lead with people purchasing it but Xbone wont ever fail thus we will all be happy but people who is getting both well happy days also that little PSVita will find itself being loved once again.

Enjoy people

[larrysdirtydrawss]

and the diplomat of the year goes tooooooo

[larrysdirtydrawss]

Gozer + 7h ago
I just look at how Ryse puts the entire ps4 line up to shame graphically and I can see the ps4 isn't 50% more powerful.

the dragon alone in deep down is better looking than the entire simon says game ryse

[AutoCad]

Ill take software over hardware.At the end of the day your playing games not counting numbers on a sheet of paper.Let the games speak for themselves.

[TechMech2]

Why discuss this now? We won't know whether ps4 has a notable power difference in third party games for a few weeks

[truegamerkt]

A developer who gets checks from but companies, what is he supposed to say.

[CaulkSlap]

So are the low and high end model graphics card of the same generation. Difference is the high end one has faster RAM and more processing cores.

[marcofdeath]

Xbox ones memory system is superior to that of the PS4's memory system. Xbox one is full HSA and therefore the system looks at the ESRAM and DDR3 as one pool of memory.

"Nick Baker: First of all, there's been some question about whether we can use ESRAM and main RAM at the same time for GPU and to point out that really you can think of the ESRAM and the DDR3 as making up eight total memory controllers, so there are four external memory controllers (which are 64-bit) which go to the DDR3 and then there are four internal memory controllers that are 256-bit that go to the ESRAM. These are all connected via a crossbar and so in fact it will be true that you can go directly, simultaneously to DRAM and ESRAM."

Now that you know that both of memory can be accessed simultaneously this only leads to one conclusion.

bandwidth speed
Xbox one 109GB/s read + 109GB/s write = 218GB/s peak +
DDR3 68GB/s
"You can add that to the external memory and say that that probably achieves in similar conditions 50-55GB/s and add those two together you're getting in the order of 200GB/s across the main memory and internally."

200GB/s raw.

PS4 176GB/s peak

winner Xbox one....

bits wide read and write.

Xbox one
ESran 256 bits X4 lanes equals 1024 bits of data.
DDR3 64 bits X4 lanes equals 256 bits of data.
1280 bits
PS4
GDDR5 32 bits X4 lanes equals 256 bits of data.

winner Xbox one........

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[SEAN1617]

Come ON GUYS We all know a LEXUS 350I Is almost the same as a Toyota Camry right? So if the Lexus 350I was less expensive we all want to buy the Camry? Right.. Right?

[baodeus]

so that what gamers are all about, playing spec of which they know nothing about how it works (most if not 99% just regurgitate what other have said, without any input of their own, leading to problematic debates when developers say different things). If you don't know then the best bet is to say nothing (you aren't helping, just proving your lack of knowledge)

The people on here also don't know what hypocrisy is:

Example:
- Ryse reduce resolution to 900p, everyone bash the shitz out of it
- When Sony introduce PS Vita TV, everyone love it. Suddenly no one care about playing ps4 game at 720p (since that the only resolution that it can output); and you have to pay $100 extra too, just so you can play a scale down resolution version of the same game you already bought for your ps4. No one seem to care about playing upscale subHD psp/ps vita games either.
- Wii U has more native 1080p/60 fps games than both xbox 1 and ps4, does that say anything about it specs?

Talking about logic or actual games, something seriously lacking on this site.

[Wanderlei777]

He is right they are virtually identical. We dont need two identical corporate multiplat machines. Sony should just bow out of the hardware race before they go bankrupt.

[Mogwai]

i for one am was initially impressed not blown away and a tad dissapointed by whats been shown for next gen thus far seeing reveals to now but i shouldnt have been so naive, i mean ive been a gamer for 25 odd years after all. killzone 2, deep down, ryse....all deceived and over promised in the graphics department.
man i hope years down the track they actually do blow me away.

[worldwidegaming]

I really doubt we will see mind blowing graphics anytime soon. (VERY SAD) The cost to make AAA games are in the millions and most companies can't afford for these games to NOT make money. We must blame ourselves because we settle time and time again.
next gen we will be making excuses for people we do not even know. I think the companies can tell us rather than us all guessing or think we know something..
On a note, if you really know you would not be telling us thanks to signing a few pieces of paper during the hiring process...

[Kydawg]

I just saw the call of duty ghosts commercial for X1. It looked fuckin awesome! Way better then this generation can do by far. I'm buying a PS4, and the commercial was for X1. That damn commercial leveled the playing field, for me, between the two systems.

[wishingW3L]

after reading your comment I went and watched it and I couldn't even tell if it was a PS3 game or PS4. It looked just as average as always. XD

[JohnS1313]

This sounds like someone who is either clueless or Microsoft told them to say it. I think it's more likely Microsoft told them to say it. Capcom seems too chummy with Microsoft. Not smart really. They'd be better off doing more Sony games since Japanese gamers won't ever support the Xbox.

[ooquis]

This i like the 3DS vs VITA all over again. We know now the VITA kicks the 3DS's ASs.....lets wait and C.

[Kydawg]

I just finished Beyond on my hacked Playstation and went to bed. I just woke up and Jodie Holmes was sitting atop my face. Man, this game is realistic!

[SynestheticRoar]

Read the article. He's speaking in terms of development not specifications.

[McScroggz]

This is a very odd quote. If Mikami would have stated flat out that they were both almost identical, I could at least accept his perspective. But implying that the Xbox One has somehow closed the gap because of some fairly insignificant tweaks to the Xbox One just doesn't make sense. I gotta say, it sounds like somebody who doesn't wanna piss of a company he wants his game to be on.

[chopples999]

It sounds like you and many others cannot except the performance between the 2 systems will be indistinguishable. Deal with it.

[FANTA1180]

because you work for the gaming industry and you own both systems currently ?...

lmao

making a statement that you cant back up

bc you havent even touched a ps4 in person yet ...

deal with that.

[McScroggz]

So you're in denial...

[Picnic]

But there always is a difference between them because Microsoft have artists who work in a particular graphical style and Sony have artists who work in a different style.

Microsoft exclusive games sometimes tend to have a fun arcadey look to them. e.g. Killer Instinct, Forza and Kinect Sports Rivals- and upcoming Sunset Overdrive. They do it beautifully (although you could say that Motorstorm is arcadey too it's still not always as polished). In a way. Microsoft is more pure 'gaming', less of the pretensions to be film-like. (Microsoft aim to be more like 'TV', hence episodic structure and content for Alan Wake, than film).

Sony doesn't go for that as much - to them, graphical prowess is nice but if you can wow critics with the story then the story is king to them. Even if the gameplay is actually reduced as a result- they'll do more QTEs and cut scenes instead if it helps the story. But Sony also have a much better tradition of creating their own indie (or indie-style) games which might be pure gameplay and ideas rather than cut scenes and QTEs.

[FANTA1180]

he said "almost" bc theyre not identical each has their pros and cons ...

you kids are so hilarious with these comments ..

buy games based on resolution and pixel count over gameplay ... lol

[Gamer-40]

Blablabla...fanboy's war.

Development legend Shinji Mikami say: There’s no real difference between them Ps4 and X1.

John Carmack another development legend say: PS4 and Xbox One are Neck and Neck.

End of story. Ps4 and X1 very cool next-gen consoles.

One Japan legend, one USA legend. Bullshit? Yes, say's fanboy's. Giga LoL:-D