Microsoft Just Edges Sony in ABI Research’s; Nintendo a Distant 3rd

Sony fell to second in the game console assessment in part because key PlayStation 4 (PS4) differentiators like cloud gaming are still untested (and won’t be fully available at launch), but largely because Microsoft has shown more features on the broader entertainment front (e.g. hybrid premium/OTT services). Nintendo secured the third position but a significant gap remains between it and market leaders.

[yellowgerbil]

first. I don't trust the legitimacy of any website that has Popup ads. Second. Who the hell is ABI, any credibility they had was gone the second they said the deciding factore was TV Apps.

[fardan85]

Crappy website looking for hits.
I just tried their source, there's nothing about PS4/Xb1/WiiU.

[theBAWSE]

can't wait for these consoles to be released in a month.. and specs officially torn down

then sites like this claiming similar in power etc will have to find a new way to earn that Microsoft dollar and help MICROSOFTS cause and spread misinformation

[fardan85]

@ theBAWSE

One month remaining, we will get a clear idea about what's inside the consoles. Hopefully the console war will stop after that and we will just enjoy our games on our preferred console.

@ BBBirdistheWord

I'm not sure what's wrong with you. The article is written by some delusional person, I checked the author source, there's nothing in there. You should try by yourself. Don't fall to stupid tricks.

[ezop]

didn't look very hard did you, its on there main page "bottom left article"

https://www.abiresearch.com...

[BBBirdistheWord]

@ fardan

I checked the links:

https://www.abiresearch.com...
It appears this company has been providing analytical research for 23 years. Hardly a 'crappy website'

Most importantly, here's the link with the info on ps4/xb1 that you could not find. It took about ten seconds for me to find on the abi website.
https://www.abiresearch.com...

You don't need to apologise to me as you demonstrated EXACTLY the fanboy behaviour that I was talking about and you proved my point nicely for all to see.

[fardan85]

@ ezop
Thanks for the post, I admit that I didn't bother to look hard. Don't have the mood to do that.
Apology to the author with the website.

bub+

OT: they are saying "Sony fell to second in the game console assessment in part because key PlayStation 4 (PS4) differentiators like cloud gaming are still untested (and won’t be fully available at launch)", Did MS showed demonstration for cloud uses on games?

@ 4Sh0w

I'm sorry that I don't fit for your "fanboy label", You know you could have done a better thing by just pointing out that the source is valid, just like what the guy with the comment above you did.
I don't care about who "win" the war, I care about making a decision, if I should buy "insert console name" or not.
Try to be helpful instead of whatever you're trying to be.

[GiggMan]

The "researchers" seem to be going off of bullet points and PR talk to make their decision. I seriously doubt they had hands on with either product.

Microsoft's cloud theory when it comes to gaming is just that, theory's not proving (yet). The TV functionality is not available to all at launch either (which I still don't get). If that's the case then they should factor in Sony's Gaikai service that hasn't been proven yet also. (Honestly I don't know if they did or not because there was no break down of the decision making process in the article. lol.)

It is what it is though, a Competitive Assessment and not a review. People still on the fence should wait for actual hands on reviews.

[Thehyph]

I'm not going to attack the website, but I'll choose to debate its claims.

I don't automatically assume that Xbox One is the better rounded entertainment device. I would assume that if a casual buyer wants to purchase one of these consoles, then any unbiased rep should point them towards ps4. They have the same media apps, but the cheaper console doesn't require its own subscription to use those apps. And, for current gen: bluray.

Also, I live in Canada. I'm already assuming that "not available at launch" really means it'll probably be a year or more. Canada is one of those markets where 360 is very much ahead of ps3, so it matters. I'm not faulting Microsoft on this as it's Canada itself. (I'm still waiting on Google to come through on their play music licensing here, and that's been over a year now. Netflix is comparatively awful, too, and there's a reason everyone proxies to get US Netflix here.)

Sony are a major publisher of media, and they are actively trying to secure one of the biggest content deals ever. Here's something to consider: SCE is not the one doing this deal. I'm assuming it is Sony's publishing arm. There's no guarantee that this deal will only profit one console. I believe that this deal is part of an attempt to take on Netflix, and as such would be available on every device they can reach.

I don't even know where in going with this or why I'm in bed doing this on a Saturday morning; so, I'll leave it at that.

[Sono421]

Their source has zero credibility... I found one list on the entire site that even had the Xbox One and PS4 in it and it had them both listed at the same spot and had horrible gaming devices ive never even heard of at the top of the list while valve's steambox was somewhere near the bottom.. Also at the bottom of the article it says "GAME MARKET STILL MICROSOFT'S, NINTENDO'S, AND SONY'S TO LOSE" like wtf? How do they lose? anyways see for yourself..

https://www.abiresearch.com...

I would say this site is anything BUT reliable and I don't even see where the guy who made this article got the information he's talking about.. it is literally nowhere to be found on this site.

Can we get this reported already?

[GameNameFame]

Just out of curiosity. You say this is reputable site and such.

How about tons of other reputable site saying otherwise?

-Tons of site talked to devs and they all said PS4 is far more powerful.
-Sales Analytics done by big firms.
-and spec that was shown.

All those are reputable. However, you desperately cling to one article over all those floods of articles.

And most of those are from reputable sites.

[Anon1974]

I'm in the same boat as stevehyphen. As a Canadian, all the Xbox One's television features are completely irrelevant as they're only for US markets. Personally, even if they were available in Canada I'd most likely never use them. The last thing I want is another device between me and my cable box adding another level of unnecessary complexity when all I want to do is watch television.

What this research should have done is measured the usefulness of the television features, and taken into account the availability of the features before ultimately making their conclusion.

If I'm faced with two toasters and one also doubles as a fax machine but only if you live in Scandinavia, I'm going to pick the toaster without fax. ABI might claim the Scandinavian Fax toaster is the better product overall, but that's not going to influence my purchasing decision. Obviously, I'm not going to shell out extra for features I neither want nor can use in my region.

[pixelsword]

I can respect their conclusion since they do research as a business, but let's leave it at that and not read more into it than what it is: an opinion.

In any instance one being favored over another doesn't mean they're fake or lying, it doesn't mean that you will instantly enjoy one over the other more either; it's just an opinion.

What people aren't factoring is that they can't judge some features because the consoles aren't "up" yet, so the gap will either widen in Xbone's favor or the PS4 will over take the xbone.

[Sono421]

Can someone explain why they disagree with me? ^^

I even post a link as to why this source isn't credible and the fact that this guy is writing an article on something that doesn't even exist?

I atleast link the only list on the site that even mentions both consoles, so if your going to disagree atleast post a link showing this "supposed" list this guy is talking about.. and even if you somehow do.. (which I doubt you can)that would mean this site has 2 contradicting lists.. so how can you decide which one is legitimate? You xbox fanboys are seriously grasping for straws here.. tons of devs say PS4 > Xbox One then one article without a credible source says Xbox One > PS4 and that's what you go with? lol

and people say there's a playstation fanboy problem on this site... sheesh

[wishingW3L]

@BBBirdistheWord

Welcome to N4G. ;)

BTW the only way you get bubbles here is through pandering. Defending Sony at all cost is what works the most if you want to rack up on some bubbles really fast. Especially if you're within the first few comments on a controversial article. XD

[BBBirdistheWord]

@ sono

https://www.abiresearch.com...

Here's the link to the article you cannot find, on which the article is based. Both sources are reputable and established.

The correct link has been posted numerous times now.
It honestly disappoints me that you have been unable to fathom your own mistake and then ask why you got disagrees...

Now that you have the link, why not consider debating the content constructively, such as stevehypen and others have done.

[CommonSense]

@BBBirdistheWord

you forgot to mention the part where they relentless downvote you and take your bubbles because you attempted to shatter their delusions.

[NewMonday]

according to the article Microsoft just edges Sony because of TV and DVR, so for the wrong reasons as far as gamers are concerned.

and ABI admit they didn't fully test the complete PS4 features, so their judgment is flawed.

things like the clear disparity in quality of 3rd party games that will run better on the PS4 will only be undisputedly evident after the consoles launch

also when Gaikai starts next year the matter will be settled.

[Drewidian]

So... I'm going to preface this as one of the people interested in TV, but what happens when MS forms partnerships with Cable or Satellite companies to sell the Xbox One on a 2 year contract for $99 - $199 down? They could even partner with a gym chain like Liftime fitness or LA fitness with a similar deal where you can get Xbox Live for free with these contracts and have access to a special class or consulting with a physical trainer who could group Skype with a class of up to 25 people and have a more personalized experience.

My point is that the Xbox One will in all likelihood appeal to a much broader audience than the PS4 simply because it has more functionality.

When you take into consideration that maybe Sony will sell 10 M PS4s world wide in the first year (Sony said 5M in the first 6 months is their goal so I doubled that)and that there are some 800M cable/satellite subscribers world wide, and that there are over 45M gym memberships in the US alone, you can understand that the broader market appeal is why they give the edge to Xbox One over the life of the console since the PS4 primarily does gaming, and may have some streaming services that will also be available on the Xbox one with one exception to date while MS has many more streaming services. I'm just saying the Xbox One will have a broader appeal to average people than the PS4.

[Parapraxis]

PS4 will have Netflix available to use, with no additional charges.
Youtube, HULU, etc, just like on PC.

You don't nee PS+ to use anything other than multiplayer with the PS4.
Combine that with a $100 less price tag, and I guarantee you joe schmo won't give two s**s about partnerships that MS has with anybody, let alone gyms.

Appeal to a broader audience? lol, sorry kid, but being $399 will be the greatest appeal, and when all the services that people already pay for are NOT behind a paywall, it will only look even more sensible of a purchase.

You can keep dreaming, it's all good, but if you honestly think MS' feeble attempts at locking down cable providers or NFL subscriptions will make any dent in their overall success you are greatly overestimating the general public's desire for "YEAAAH FOOTBALL entertainment" hubs, and greatly underestimating their ability to see the value difference offered between the PS4 and XBOX One, when Netflix subscriptions, and the like are considered, at a $100 lower price tag.

[black0o]

U are forgetting the fact that smart TVs can snap apps this days .. and the fact that xbone needs a cable box as well

why 'd someone pay 400$ extra to get almost the same experience which u get from app-tv and google-tv ???

[Drewidian]

@parapraxis.

I'm not attacking you personally so please, let's be adults here and have logical debates.

I'm a gamer. I play PC, PS3, Xbox 350, I even got an Ouya just to try it out, and yes, I pay for PS+ and Xbox Live. For me and at least 40+M other Xbox gamers, the Live cost isn't a big deal since we freely pay for it.

I work out at a gym and have several friends who are instructors where I work out. They are all talking about setting up personal training classes based on the capability of being able to offer a unique personal experience to those who either don't want to go to the gym, are self conscious, or don't have the time. Several of the women at my office have considered it simply because they don't have to leave home and can join a class with a relative or friend who lives in another state or is difficult to coordinate schedules with.

I get it. Its not for you, but for those who need the convenience, it works. $500 or even $99 down as part of a gym membership is nothing when you compare the costs associated with joining a gym. Its about the convenience of doing it in home and getting a professional or even a friend to motivate you. It makes sense from a business perspective as well since it could make a serious amount of money for a trainer who doesn't have to leave home or can just work out of a gym with remote people and can help them based on the biometric data gathered. There are a ton of possibilities.

Oh and I'm not a kid. There's no reason to assume that I was.

[Ezz2013]

@Drewidian
""I'm a gamer. I play PC, PS3, Xbox 350""

Xbox 350 ?!0_0
ahhh, i knew it ..there is another life on other universe.

j/k

[PoSTedUP]

heres a contract on top of your phone, internet and cable bill "oh? so what does it do?" well, it can be your phone, internet and cable.. and GAMING. "woah : O no. way." so youll buy our shiz to continue to view your shiz : D? "YES, yes i would"

unlikely.

another scenario

heres a contract to replace your gym membership "whyyy?" well, it does your phone, internet and cable... and GAMING. "what about equipment?" we sell it to you... "hdhsjdbbfjdj sign me up!!"

highly unikely.

MS wouldnt be stupid enough to even secure an exclusive deal with the likes of breaking bad or another huge network because in reality itll be "on to the next one" for most people, let alone how much money it would cost them. people dont really care all that much bc stuff like tv and movies come and goes, no ones gonna dish out a contract to get things that they have no problem getting their hands on.

and the gym membership... how is that going to work? they now have to pay for the partnership and whos gonna hire and pay for the bazgillion extra personal trainers that they will need? do you really think they will benifit that much to where they would be able to do so? LA is an incredibly exensive gym, they want to keep it that way. there are plenty of gyms that are 10-20$ a month. there is a lot you cant do with personal training through a video, hence why people pay for one on one personal trainers in real life. sure you can talk through video, but you can also rewind a free video on youtube. i personally dont see it happening or working out for anyones business at all, realistically.

[Insomnia_84]

They will have cable services available without the need of a box.

http://www.geek.com/games/s...

And currently have Yupptv available on PS3, an app that offers more than 150 indian tv channels.

http://www.csimagazine.com/...

[itBourne]

NVM lol someone beat me to the links, but Insomnia is right, they have the other stuff too, they are just focused on the gamer because those are the early adopters.

[wsoutlaw87]

I keep hearing all this stuff that the xbox one supposedly does with tv but Im still not sure what it is. What it can change inputs? It has apps just like the 360, ps3/4, and my tv? Im not really seeing a reason to pay 500 for things tvs and devices already do them selves

[yellowgerbil]

That's all well and good till you realize that it is SONY that is more appealing on that front. It has already been shown that sony is making a run at making its own tv service with the viacom deal. What is better? partnering with terible companies like Comcast. Or giving comcast the finger and offering a better service yourself

[iiwii]

And the second they do something like that is when they will start raping their customers for $$$$ for every click of the button they make, and not only that, they will have the camera there so that they can charge you PER PERSON for content that you want. Don't forget the XB1 camera can count the number of people in the room.

I wonder how many shiny new surface tablets they got in their office for writing publishing this crap?

[CommonSense]

@Parapraxis

He's a kid for being perfectly logical? THAT is what is childish. You, like the majority of the n4g community, are quite the hypocrite.

@Drewidian

you're wasting your time, dude. These people live in a fantasy land that is perpetuated by the affirmation they get from the other people sharing that fantasy.

They are long-time sufferers of Post-purchase rationalization.

[XB1_PS4]

They are a technology market intelligence company with a 23 year proven track record that is focused on putting information into the hands of executives in order to enable them to make the right decisions on technology and market investment at the right time.

At least that's what there "About Us" section says.

[Shnazzyone]

Yeah, this study doesn't make sense I barely understand what the hell they are gauging. Here's the reason why nintendo's got a gap.

" If not for Nintendo’s wider distribution network, console heritage, and first party titles it would start to find itself in closer competition with many of the new market entrants."

Seriously... what? Those sound like good things.

[Rainstorm81]

Maybe they are taking away points for the most gaming centric devices?

Weird...

[Jazz4108]

Just everyone enjoy the console of your choice. You dont need some website to tell you to do this if you are a gamer.

[avengers1978]

The article says "sonys cloud is untested". So is the Xbox cloud gaming... Two cloud won't be available for either system at launch.
How is one cloud a benefit but the other isn't?

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

You got a pop up? Who still get's pop ups?

[Godmars290]

Has what MS said about cloud gaming been proven? Have they offered one actual demonstration?

[n4rc]

Yeah...

Months ago they show the asteroid tech demo...

And the drivatar system on forza.. And ai in titanfall..

They also stated most titles at launch were already being developed before the cloud compute stuff became available to them.. With it being free, you can expect most titles to use it in some form in the future

[black0o]

1st MS only got the edge for the TV/skype ..
2nd did they show it on xBone? the answer NO

finally giakia launched beta before and a lot of ppl singed up and gve a try them self http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Parapraxis]

And will the cloud change the physical hardware in any way or make any noticeable difference, ie close the gap between PS4 Xbox One Specs?

LOL no.

And It's even more amusing when Sony plans to implement most if not all of the features that MS can/will do via "cloud" with their own services.

[Jamaicangmr]

"Months ago they show the asteroid tech demo..."

This is one demo Sony's Gaiki service has been tested and proven hence why Sony bought the company. So based on that logic Sony has "Proven" theirs as well.

"And the drivatar system on forza.. And ai in titanfall.."

Either of these have NEVER been proven to be anything but PR.

So i don't understand what you are talking about.

[Godmars290]

Have a link to these demos? I'm talking about an actual stage presentation, not just mention or second-hand description of select closed events.

And what are you talking about "free"? Devs might have access to servers to encourage them to use them, but gamers are going to pay for XBL and likely have to worry about their online quality.

A lot of what's being said isn't going to be proven until months if not years after release. This applies to Sony and Goakia as well.

[Majin-vegeta]

Well they also said it would make the xbone 3x more powerful than the PS4. Still waiting lol

[WarThunder]

@black0o

Too bad TV/skype are locked behind a pay wall...

While Skype on other platform is free...

[Gozer]

@Warthunder
Yeah, too bad PSN will be behind a pay wall next-gen.

Atleast with Live you get dedicated servers for every game. Enjoy your P2P servers on the ps4.

[Revolver_X_]

@Gozer

The majority of PS3 exclusives have already had dedicated servers, where you been? Oh, on 360, lol.

[warczar]

@ gozer

Please get off that microsoft server bandwagon. there is no way that the server farms that they keep showing off are going to be just for xbox one. So those billions of dollars they keep saying was just for xbox servers is just more PR BS. Don't believe the hype. And FYI, the playstation paywall is just to game online, unlike the xbox the PS4 will still function without the extra yearly fee.

[n4rc]

It won't make any difference.. But Sony will do it too!

0/2... Keep swinging tho.. Lol

And yeah... The more work the server does, the more the console can do locally.. So technically yes, it does change the specs as the resources available change.. Too complicated? We've only been beating it to death for 5 months now.. How long are you going to pretend it isn't real?

[Parapraxis]

As long as it takes for noobs like you to understand the bandwidth and latency issues that are involved in non-local processing, and for you to realize that boosting "performance" of any machine via the "cloud" is a goddamn pipe-dream.

There's a reason why top of the line processors alone can cost over $700.

I'll let you figure that out on your own.

[black0o]

on papers maybe but in real world NO

u see latency it's already pain in a$$ when playing online, CPU/GPu calculation take 10^-6 sec do u think the cpu/gpu will wait for 0.7-1.5 sec to get some data back from the server ..

and then we hve the bandwidth at less we'll need to hve 6-20 Mb/s so cloud computing is far away from being more then match making or some other small task

[Jazz4108]

The only talk I have heard on latency has been on the ps4's Ram which is a common known fact with the ram. It does not magicaly dissappear because Sony is using it.

[GTgamer]

N4rc so you wanna base the power of your console on your internet connection woooow that's stupid and i love how you discriminate the people with shit connection or the ones without connection it all so when your connection drops does your game go from 1080p to 720p from 60fps to 30fps or worse, look I'm smart enough to know that cloud will only improve small things when u have a connection. wouldn't you rather a console that isn't so dependent on something else to show its full power.

P.S they were no demos of Drivatar or Titanfall Ai so stop lying if I'm wrong ill buy a Xone;).

[Godmars290]

My main point is that we're talking about a company which once presented, or allowed to be presented, a presentation for Milo. A game which either failed to come to fruition, or never truly exited to begin with past concept.

This same company for some reason can't haul a few servers onto a stage along with a console and provide the one picture which proved the thousand words they've been spouting. Do what Sony did with KZ2, when they believed that they could deliver on that, and offer a target render for something they plan to generally offer which will effect the entirety of their product?

If they can't give one actual and practical example of they hope to achieve, how is anyone expected to accept nothing that's only been PR BS so far?

[jgrigs09]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[mkis007]

10% of a consoles power is said to be used when doing p2p server hosting( I read it somewhere recently, correct me if Im wrong as always) I believe, on paper, the ps4 tech makes up for that loss and has more left over.( the rumors of %30-%50 more powerful don't even have to be true, even if it is just 21% more powerful, it will make up for the loss without losing quality).
So that while sure the stuff that is technically feasible to offload to the cloud will free up some power, it will only free up up to that 10%. Depending on who you are this could be a big deal or not.-Edit: just realized i totally took away any online power cost the xbox1 has with this statement, just because you are using dedicated servers doesnt mean there is n o power loss for playing multiplayer online so this is kinda off.

Then factor in that the PlayStation brand is known more for its single player experiences than its multiplayer and it becomes even more of a stretch to say this will have a significant effect. Single player games wont lose a thing on ps4 it wont have to be connected to the internet to use its full power, but the xbox1 will, if you want to use it to offload stuff that can be reasonably done that way.

@Jazz4108 I thought it was clear that sony's customized chip made this a non-issue. They have made the proper modifications to the board to lower latency-taken from a few interviews around the web. Then factor in that most of what the console does is gpu based and you see that gdddr was a great gamble.

this post may have errors, and may come off like some of the fanboys' around here, but I assure you I am just discussing.

[Gozer]

You sony boys don't know what you are talking about when it comes to cloud computing. The cloud can handle non latency sensitive tasks. Things like NPC A.I., day/night cycles, weather effects, and other non latency insensitive tasks. This will certainly free up the load on the cpu/gpu, which in turn can make games better.

Oh and Gaikai is a cloud streaming service, not a cloud computing solution. The two are very different things.

The cloud for X1 is real and you sony boys might as well accept it. Every X1 game with online MP will have dedicated servers via the cloud. And that's day 1 not a year or two later.

[HighResHero]

"Cloud" has been mostly a marketing buzzword from the beginning. Allow Oracle CEO Larry Ellison to explain (funny) http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[jgrigs09]

http://www.youtube.com/watc... pretty cool. Not Microsoft but still cool

[Deltaohio]

U do know that what MS is proposing with the cloud is roughly the same as GaiKai in function right? But yet MS gets trashed talked for "cloud computing" SOME parts of a game while Sony say "we will stream ENTIRE GAMES FROM THE CLOUD".

Hilarious.

[Godmars290]

No. MS is not talking about streaming a full and lesser demanding existing game onto a game system, they've been talking about using streaming to improve the quality of future titles by taking some workload off the game system you own. That's well and above what Sony wants to do which at least has had a few examples.

They were poor examples which really didn't work. Had latency issues but at least they are publicly known examples. Whereas MS have only talked it up as the "future-proofing" while doing a few closed door demos which have never been re-shown.

For all we know it may very well work but could take years to be of any value. If then. Meanwhile people will be paying to perfect it and Gaikia on the PS4, and getting lesser results than a laggy KZ2 SP.

[Deltaohio]

It's actually not more the. What Sony is doing. To think that streaming lighting and AI from the cloud could some how be more work for the cloud then streaming AC3 is a bit of a stretch. And it's things that are not latency dependent. I don't expect graphics to get any better but I do expect other things to improve.

It's the streaming portion that I'm worried about. Anything the cloud computes (the end result) gets set out.
Where as the entire game is being sent fr gaikai.

In the end IMO an entire game being streamed would have more problems with latency then just AI or lighting.

[n4rc]

Latency isn't relevant when the game world is being run on the server.. Server processed ai etc is local to the game world, not the individual console..

But the same people preach that sony will stream an entire game while Microsoft can't even stream instructions for part of a game..

[Hicken]

Latency is relevant whenever there's distance involved between pieces of technology. If the game world is being run on the server, there will be latency as the pertinent information travels from one device to the other.

Dammit, man, there's latency from the controller to your console; how the hell would there NOT be latency over miles or even hundreds of miles of internet?

And streaming a whole game is easy. It's essentially how everything internet-related works. What DOESN'T feasibly work is trying to stream instructions for anything more than maps and basic enemies. Trying to generate too much critical data offsite and then reintegrate it into local data is just not gonna work how you think it is. Which makes me wonder if you actually understand ANYTHING Microsoft is claiming.

Edit: The hard part is in syncing that remotely-generated data with that locally-generated data. Essentially, the game has to send requests for the data it needs before it needs it- before you take the actions that require the system to need that given data- in enough time to give the cloud servers the opportunity to create and send the needed data back without the latency being a factor.

That's just not gonna work well. And it's why the claim MS had of making any significant increases to the XB1's power are pure BS.

[Deltaohio]

@Hicken
You just proved the guys point.
Streaming a whole game is easy but streaming maps and enemies is hard???
I think you have it reversed.

[WeAreLegion]

Most nonsense I've read in a long time.

[black0o]

agreed and i hve seen couple of sites already writing articles based on this

[KHATL66]

poppycock

[Ezz2013]

your pic and your comment
dropped me off me chair laughing

[Parapraxis]

"hybrid premium/OTT services"
whoo hoo new buzzwords!
Also they think the PS4 and Xbox One are very similar spec-wise.

Ignorance is bliss?

[Tooly]

this mad me lol.

[Parapraxis]

You be mad lol'in yo.

[Tooly]

lol fail *made*

[Jaqen_Hghar]

The specs of the Xbox and PS4 are a wash according to them. Credibility lost. Most people admit PS4 is more powerful even industry commentators who have no agenda (Kyle Bosman for instance). It's widely known at this point that 1.8tf>1.3tf and 8gb GDDR5>8gb DDR3 (for gaming especially). Also both cloud gaming services are untested.

[christocolus]

nice....

[MorePowerOfGreen]

People are smart enough to know MSFT's solution is truly next gen. Spin it as buzz words all you wan't. The console is packed with features and services giving gamers a hell of a deal for $500 with unmatched offerings, from games to Online.

[jgrigs09]

this is nvidia cloud http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[falviousuk]

Jeez this thread has more Sony fanboys trying their best than actual real gamers.

How very sad for gaming

[Hicken]

Is that the convenient, go-to excuse when Xbox fans wanna dismiss logical arguments and facts that make your console of choice look bad, or crap like this article that tries to pass off BS as some sort of truth?

[HighResHero]

They think they work for their PR team.

[falviousuk]

And you have just proved my point succinctly

[Godmars290]

I only notice that many Xbox fans defend from any questions or negative comments about the XB1 by accusing that commenter of being a Sony fanboy. That its their only point.

No counter argument is offered. The actual point or question is never addressed. Somehow the only valid thing is that a Sony fanboy said it, so what they said is invalid. Sony fanboy only say negative untrue things so all a Xbox fanboy needs to do is point out that its a Sony fanboy who's saying it. No thought on the XBox fanboy's part is required.

In other words; most XBox fanboys don't even try anymore. Its gotten sad if not dangerous in the name of free thought.

[falviousuk]

And another well known troll chimes in

[blackstrr411]

Gaming Live and Tv xbox is better for now. Sony just has more power. Just like iphone 5 vs S4.

[PS4isKing_82]

Xboxonevsps4 is a realtime worldwide poll. It currently shows ps4 dominates popularity by 73%. Pretty cool I think

http://www.xboxonevspsfour....

[BobBelcher]

I'd vote, but really though- it's just the internet. The majority of consumers don't join gaming websites or get this indepth into these sort of things.

[Rainstorm81]

I agree .....I think those consumers that have no interest in exclusive games will buy the cheapest console they can play CoD BF Fifa NBA2k or Madden or watch Netflix on.....

PS4

For Those consumers not bound by brand loyality, price will play a large role....just like this gen

[Godmars290]

"For Those consumers not bound by brand loyality, price will play a large role"

As generally complained about by people who bought several consoles of the same brand or by next year's iPad.

Its amazing that those same people can't see their hypocrisy.

[Inception]

I'm not very up to date with IT this day. So, can someone explaining to me what the hell is ABI?

[ZHZ90]

Same to me I don't know what is ABI as well.

[digger18]

I buy a games console for playing just games and not some stupid social or tv thing. So I'm going with the console with a shed load more power

[EverydayGuy]

What is the point in Cloud when your internet provider is Comcast?

[1lovehalo]

sony fanboys make me laugh. btw this is my 3rd account because i sed why i like the xbox one better. which now makes me think that this site is completely full of sony freaks. if the ps4 is soo much better, then why are sony freaks always trying to justify there ps4 all the time ? surely if its that good, you wouldent feel the need to hype it up soo much. and NO its not all about the graphics, because if it was, i would own a high-end pc. its about the gameplay and solid online. something xbox does better than ps.

[Trekster_Gamer]

If the PS4 is sooo much more powerful then why do the games look as good if not better on XBOX One at Launch?

You TROLLS can't argue they need time to harness the unique architecture given it is basically standardized PC parts inside?

You try to justify the PS4 by coming here and flat out lie about the Xbox One, it's features and its superior game lineup. Go home trolls, this area is for Xbox fans..

Trolls and Sony PR wannabes disagree and reply below...

[kenshiro100]

You don't know what you're talking about. Stop.

[76erz24]

Lets use reading comprehension. The article said "based on expectations for the impact of Sony’s PS4 and Microsoft’s Xbox One game consoles." The results are based on the technologic impact of each console, not which one is preferred or better. When it comes to innovative technology and new game console features the Xbox1 brings more to the table. The Ps4 is the safe bet for new consoles, you know what your getting and your happy with it. Xbox1 gives you a ton of new features but its's more of a wildcard.

[cyhm3112]

Microsoft and its fanboys are so desperate to try to turn it around it is so hilarious.

[Torgul]

Poor fanboy, not agree with the article only because your ps4 is in second place..... Shame on you.

Don t mind, ps4 is in first place to delay launch games..... As usual for the most powerful console ever and the easiest one to develop for....

I will be happy to play crap game on my crap xbox one.....

[Torgul]

@trekster gamer

At least I am quite happy that ps4 exists, if not I will have to play with sdf community.... Thank you Sony and keep your fanboy happy please.

[cell989]

This is funny, every other research has shown a massive interest on the Playstation 4 vs the xbone, where exactly did this website get their research?

[Visiblemarc]

What's baffling is that the "other features" seem so poorly implemented on xb1. If they, through nothing less than witchcraft, had hypnotized all the cable companies into helping undercut their own dvr business and thereby launched with a fully featured DVR built in, which worked day one in all markets...then that is something. A stupid tv tuner isn't a feature. It just isn't. Who wants to do ANYTHING split screen? That's why we have big high res tvs to begin with...we don't like small oddly shaped screens. So what does it offer? Smoother control of tv? Really? Cause no one buys console bluray remotes to avoid using a game controller right? Oh wait. Voice control you say? Let's see how fun channel surfing is when tired or in the presence of dignity. Wait for the $60 tv remote from microsoft... Which no sane person will buy. This was an insane direction to take with xbox. Period.

[kingPoS]

Hit seekers - creating FUD by manipulation of context.
You see articles like this everyday on N4G.

Either way, I'm buying my next gen console on the virtues of it's gaming content first and foremost. Anything else is secondary in my opinion.

[AtomicGerbil]

Let's be honest, whether you are a Microsoft or Sony fan the title should read........Microsoft just edges Sony in fabricated research.

[JohnS1313]

This makes no sense at all. Microsoft has made a huge deal out of the cloud. Without the cloud the Xbox 180 can't even compete with the PS4. And it isn't real. So that should really hurt Microsoft. But then I'm sure Microsoft paid for this dumb research.

[xxxGEOxxx]

I'm thoroughly convinced websites will post things like this just for the hits. The PS4 is getting the edge EVERYWHERE else so far, but then a site like this will say the opposite, just to get attention. Same thing happened at the beginning of last gen when there was a shit storm around the PS3, and certain sites were declaring it the better system, when neither was released. I understand that all we have to go on is speculation, but still, I 'm convinced it's for hits.

But what would I know?

[PsylentKiller]

People need to understand that just because someone did a study doesn't mean that they did it well or that the information is correct. Now, I do believe that this study was done well, although, it would be better if another study was done by someone else to compare the results. MS wins here because of they appeal to a broader audience. They have the TV features, the allure of the kinect, apps like netflix, Windows UI, the Microsoft ecosystem. If your a real gamer or a hardcore gamer then many of these things probably will not appeal to you but they will appeal to casual or non-gamers. There are about 370 million people in the US. How many do you think are gamers casual or otherwise? If 300 million are some kind of gamer, how many are hardcore gamers? 80 million? Now how many are console gamers? 50 million? Of the 50 million, how many are buying a next gen console in the first year? 20 Million? My point is the XB1 appeals more to the majority of people not those who just want to play games. That is why the XB1 polls better amongst the general population. When poling the gaming community, the PS4 does better.

[TristanPR77]

Fake information. Anyone following next gen news since February knows this is not true and that the PS4 have a large edge over X1.

[Rhinoceros]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/1011...

CNBC is reporting.

[Thomaticus]

Well my 400 dollars says that it likes PS4.

[Rhinoceros]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/1011...

This news is now being reported on CNBC.

[Jazz4108]

I have seen this report coming across the major networks and tech sites. Do you guys still think this site has no crediability and is a fly by night bs site? Stupid question as I allready know the answer. I do wish fan boys could go back to the open zone and leave the discussions to people who look at both sides of the coin in my opinion. Like I said a gamer does not disparage the competition but embraces it.

[LeCreuset]

The reason you're seeing people call into question the reputation of the company is because there is nothing new added here except 'so-and-so said such-and-such.' What new has been brought to the table here? Nothing. They haven't brought forward anything new to support their opinion, so it seems the only thing making this opinion newsworthy is the people that made the argument, not the actual merits of the argument.

Since nothing new is brought to the table with this argument, that leaves people wondering what makes it newsworthy on a site called News 4 Gamers. Why does this matter to us as gamers? It's not that they've introduced anything new to the conversation. So that leaves us with the researchers. I don't care how many tech sites are reporting on it. How many gamers here have actually heard of them before—and for those that have, was that in relation to gaming?

As for disparaging the competition, why can't a gamer do that? That's part of what MAKES competition. If there's something about the other system, or even the one you own, that you don't like, you should state it as a gamer. What you shouldn't do is be a blind zombie. To me, outsourcing your thought process, your own ability to form an opinion, because some so-called experts came along and gave you an opinion to have, without introducing anything new to justify it, is being a blind zombie.

[theAMC1981]

Sony this MS that... please people can we just wait for these consoles to come out without people, who have never owned any of the consoles, try to tell everyone else otherwise? If you want a PS4 then get the damn system and if you want a XBOX then why the hell do you care what anyone says? Anyway, nobody has either, so any kind of statement is not really true until it either happens or we have gotten one, or both to really be able to say what is better or more powerful because all this talk has been done over and over and the outcome is always the same. Games don't look as better as they should on either unless it is first party from Sony. MS first party games don't look as amazing, but they are still good to play.

I don't see the argument about ONE's TV features because if you have a cable box then just hook the damn thing up to your XBOX and have the extra features for watching TV. I'm sick of people saying they will not use any of the features, but you watch a lot of TV. You know you are lying because it is there and you would be curious just to try it. MS partnered up with TWC and others so they could get the TV features of the ONE to work whether you wanted it or not and TWC signed the deal so they could get more reasons to give people expensive cable. If you don't want the feature then don't get a cable box: nobody is forcing you.

The only thing that is close to forcing is Kinect coming with the console, but that isn't really forcing you since you don't have to use it nor buy any Kinect base-only games. The PS3 had all of these extra features like adding a printer, but I don't know one person who cared about it. It is the same thing here. Use it if you want or don't if you don't. WTF People! This is going to be an amazing ride for both sides, so let's just wait until these game systems come out then we'll know the truth.

[PS4FEVER]

I'm not sure if you xbox fans saw the latest vid about future of xbox, but it was good to hear some truth come out and not pr bullshit. The cloud is an IDEA, meaning they have a vision of what the cloud MIGHT be one day, or do, but at the moment all it does is simple things like cloud saves, taking one ones profile with them where they go.. So you guys need to listen to this guy and get over the hype. Whatever ever process advantage the cloud might give to xbox one in say 5 years, remember that the ps4 has a more advanced gpu/cpu, and the gpu will be able to do added cpu tasks aswell, s from day one ps4 will have the advantage for any additional processing and offloading of tasks.

Also factor in that GAMES is the most iportant factor, and there is no denying playstation has been clearly ahead of xbox when it comes to exclusives, better looking games, variety, more higher rated AAA games .

The ps3 was released 1 year after the xbox 360, and while the 360 is dead, ps3 is still releasing exclusives! by the end of the year sony would have released it's 5th exclusive game this year. So why invest in an xbox one when the ps4 is built more efficiently, has a stronger cpu/gpu/ram, and more importantly will carry the tradition of strongest lineup of exclusives all the way to the end.

[PudgeySan]

Well that's the first time I have heard that.. ha ha, Something smells fishy, Well I guess either way that would be like 4 or 5 polls to one for PS4 lol..

[Consoles4kidz]

The insider said Microsoft has a lot off work load gfx caculations done off the GPU and CPU. He said some of the off work load include voxel ray tracing! He said lighting and shadowing takes big performance hits from GPU and CPU!So Microsoft took the workload of GPU to special processors,and caculations on CPU. He said the special processors take the place of GFX Cores. Microsoft couldn't use multiple GPUs because of bandwidth restrictions. So the special processors work as GPU cores without being one.
So I ask I that the DDR3 and ESRAM made the bandwidth equal or higher then PS4! HE responded yes,but Microsoft has a
bigger vision. He said Microsoft wants prt and mega texture caches. That will use harddrive and ram so it lowers the
bandwidth,but when it's all put together a native 900p game upscaled will look better then a native 1080p game. He
said that is an example.He would go more in detail with me at a later time. So this brings me to the rumore VI tech in
Xbox One!Volcanic Island tech is not in Xbox One,but it kinda of is.....
Microsoft couldn't afford to put a $400.00 plus GPU in Xbox One because they would lose to much money! Microsoft has
entered the realm of Nintendo where they will not lose money on a console at launch or ever! So with the bad news out of the way lets get to the REAL GOOD news and TRUTH?Microsoft couldn't afford all the souped up new Volcanic Island tech so they compromised. They help AMD with research money towards it and helped them with audio processing! For that Microsoft received Bonaire GPU,but upgraded CU that are hybrid from VI tech!Amd's VI tech with mantle can run at 9 x's the efficiency per CU. Microsofts CUs can run at perfect efficiency in the perfect optimazition at 4x's the efficiency! There is not a Xbox One game running over 1.5 efficiency per core at the moment!There is a couple pushing things and I know you can figure them out yourself.Now we will begin to cover PRT,tile resources and Mega caches! This article and my post earlier cover the importance of this!Yes the PS4 has it also,but not at the same level or importance as Xbox One!If did it by percentage per say the PS4 would be about 40% efficiency and XBox One would be at 140% efficiency! That is a big difference!The reason why is because Microsoft built this PRT and Tile resource into the system design and APIs! That is why you have to install games to harddrive on Xbox One!Sony can do it,but the system it's self not built for this in mind. Remeber Microsoft and AMD believe coding and game design are changing,This is one way both companies feel the future is head for examples from AMD Amd RAM disk and mantle! Microsoft has made this the basis of Direct X 11.2 up! I think with Ninjas and Mister X's article we have covered this enough lets move to the next topic!Let's talk about MCU,Spp and off GPU workload processors!I have discussed before what my insiders have said about them!The Xbox One GPU is 1.31tf clocked at 853mhz in old world standards!The Xbox One GPU can clock up to 950mhz in Microsofts own testing,and in fact the first upclock to the GPU was going to be 900mhz.Microsoft didn't go higher with clocks because developers and the API wasn't ready!Microsoft was trying to make API easy for developers to use audio,lighting & shadowing engine and the Mono driver for efficeny of CUs,Remeber we just covered them earlier!They was trying to get the band to run together as smooth and as easy as possible for the API and Devs!So let's cover other MCU and SPP!Some of the MCUs and SPP was added for cloud computing!They could retrieve and hold the data from servers till the CPU was ready for them.The other are for Kinnect and to help with multi tasking the User Interaface!

[Consoles4kidz]

So my time is running short with insiders,but they took time to clear up some confusion!Some people might disagreewith things about to be laid out before some will deny and some will instantly get these are the hardcore facts and TRUTHS!So shall we begin?
There is only one GPU in the Xbox One!The confusion comes from there is a micro like GPU in the Kinnect! There is only 12 CUs in the Xbox One GPU that is active,There is 2 reserved for backup! Now we will get into the Tflop numbers!There are serval numbers floating around,but they are not right or wrong!It is hard to get a solid number and it will be explained now!
Xbox One GPU 1.31tf
Lighting and shadowing estimated around 500 Gflops\
Shape 3d audio estimated between 300 to 500 Gflops\
That equals 2.31 with just these 3 things,now this is where it gets tricky!This is not including the scalers chipset which is light years more advance then average people understand!

[Consoles4kidz]

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