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Shuhei Yoshida on Remote Play: No need to Set up the PS4 for it, Remote Co-Op Allowed for Knack

As usual SCE Worldwide Studios President Shuhei Yoshida proves to be a gold mine of information on anything PlayStation. This time around he shared some more details on how remote play will work.

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black0o3859d ago

''when playing remotely via the PS Vita or Vita TV, a second player can just sit on the couch and play co-op with us on the PS4''

AWESOME!

rambi803859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

Seriously, how much better can this get?

We all complained about product integration and now its better than we could have ever dreamed.

Gazondaily3859d ago

Wow....

Megaton and then some.

I did say almost a year ago that the VITA would come into it's own when the PS4 would launch, when all the gloom and doom articles were surfacing. But even I didn't think Sony would take it to this level.

Very impressive. This is no half measure like the MOVE. This is going to be an essential peripheral for the PS4. Keep it up Sony!

Saigon3859d ago

All, I can say is wow...

Conzul3859d ago

I just bought a new Vita to replace the one I sold back last year. The gamestop is bundling the 3G OLED model as well. I got it for $200, so this is great news!!

UltimateMaster3859d ago

Question.
Can someone remote play co-op online on the same account as well?

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Xsilver3859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

OMG i might be thinking too far ahead but could the vita TV help with the Split Screen issue, i mean think about it most games can't do split screen but what if the vitatv acts as a hub for another Tv so u could systemlink it so you could have a nice offline co op on two screens thats sounds really cool instead of buying two PS4's. If this comes true i'll be one happy gamer.

rambi803859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

This is exactly what i am hoping. Now to look for that second job to be able to afford all this.

Its also nice that you wont need a second copy of the game.

Xsilver3859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

just a hundred dollars for vita tv i could live with that to be able to use it for system link co op.just a PS4 and a vita tv.

Ju3859d ago

It's a bit unclear what this actually means, IMO. Because I would understand if a second player jumps in, this is actually a co-op game. But is it? I mean Knack doesn't have a second character. So how exactly will this work with Knack?

And if so, the problem with split screen (from a developer standpoint) is, that you have to render the game twice. And this would also apply to co-op with the second player being on the Vita. The PS4 must render a second perspective of the the game. But yes, this would be awesome if true. If the game actually know, the second screen is a Vita, it would makes sense to lower the res - because you can't play >qHD on the Vita anyway. Lots to happen in the years to come.

nunley333859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

@ju - if this is correct than this method would just be like normal online co-op, no split screen would be seen. this would be a nice lan solution for a 2nd player on a 2nd tv using vitaTV to play ps4 together in the same house or across town.

Mr_Writer853859d ago

@Ju

They announced there is a second character for co-op think he is made of metal and can take more damage so he is aimed at kids.

So you can play the game with a young child and they won't die as much.

ginsunuva3859d ago

Coop isn't used too much anymore because it takes a toll on the system to render two instances of players and their views.

Vita TV won't give the system more power magically.

Ju3859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

nunley33, no, this is not how remote play works. In case of remote play the Playstation(4) becomes the server and renders everything locally and streams the frame buffer over the network (using a HW encoder - hence no drop in performance for in case of the PS4).

It is not like an online co-op where every "client" renders running it's own engine. In such a case of the Vita being a client the engine would require to be ported to the Vita. For remote play it doesn't (the streaming client is part of Vita's OS).

I suppose, technically it should not be a problem to render twice (same as split screen) but stream one buffer to the Vita. Like I said, if the OS can "detect" this, the second screen can actually be rendered in a lower resolution.

To spin this a bit further, technically you could make this a full MP experience (like online) but still, the server (PS4) will have to render each instance of the client.

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pwnsause_returns3859d ago

Sony just set a new standard without us even realizing what it is. and it has to do with that secondary processor. almost everything that is not gaming centric (Streaming, Decoding, etc.) is done with that arm chip.

abusador3859d ago

And that's what you call customized hardware. Other companies brag about customization but ps4 has them beat on that front.

joeorc3859d ago

@abusador

"And that's what you call customized hardware. Other companies brag about customization but ps4 has them beat on that front."

Grin, the Fact Sony has been investing into this remote play development for over 7 years now..this bodes very well for the functionality as sofar what they have had with live Demo's general consensus is they walked away very impressed with the Experience of the Remote play function between the PS4 and the PSVita.

With the Advanced Arm Cortex chipset's they are using in both the PSVita, PSVita TV since they are fairly upto date. being they are indeed robust enough to do the job. Mark and the R&D Team Over there @ Sony Labs know their Hardware that is for sure.

abusador3859d ago

This is the best feature imo , hands down on any next gen console. Remote play the way Sony is doing is just insane!!!!

Sharius3859d ago

hey, can someone ask him if i can remote coop play between my vita TV, my PS vita, and 2 of my controllers?

ShwankyShpanky3859d ago

Good question... is remote play limited to connecting to only one "portable" device (Vita/VitaTV)? Wouldn't surprise me if restricted to one device, but also seems like the type of thing that could be expanded via FW updates.

nevin13859d ago (Edited 3859d ago )

So in other words, Remote Play Is always on?

Because, currently, If I want to use remote play on my PSP, I have to scroll remote play on PS3.

Gamingcapacity3859d ago

Not true. You can remote play using your PSP from anywhere in the world.

Once set up (link you psp to ps3), you can turn on you PS3 via remote play from any location with internet and then turn it back off using remote play.

Ju3858d ago

But you can't do it mid game. The PS3 must be switched into remote play (can be initiated by the PSP/Vita) but becomes only usable through the client. UI is disabled on PS3.

Gamingcapacity3858d ago

In that case yes. But you really wouldn't want remote play if you're sat at your PS3. It doesn't play games except PS1 games and is only good for access to your media files from remote places in which case your PS3 would be turned off.

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PS5 Exec Doesn't Want To See Gaming's Future Dominated By Live-Service Games: "Boring"

PlayStation boss Shuehei Yoshida wants the gaming industry to continue to chase its creative dreams.

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Obscure_Observer359d ago

"Got that one right, Shu!"

Kind of ironic when Sony is focused on GaaS like never before.

Flakegriffin359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

Companies evolve overtime. Sony has implemented themselves in the single player space relatively well. Now they can expand further by doing more all while still giving us single player experiences. Obviously Shu is speaking on GaaS games being the main dominance of the gaming space and if that’s the future then that indeed sucks.

You can have that mindset all while still creating some GaaS titles.

InUrFoxHole359d ago

They have 10 in the works right now.

Crows90359d ago

Absolutely! Man all the freaking gaas games theyve been releasing...wait. Not a single one.

sinspirit359d ago

Did you read? It says "dominated". That word means something.

RedDevils359d ago

They don't want to be Blockbuster, too stubborn to adapt with time.

tagzskie359d ago

kinda ironic when it comes to xbox you xboys can even defeat einstein in explation why its good, when it comes to ps you guys became dumb and dumber..

FinalFantasyFanatic359d ago

How so? They're only after one or two good GaaS games, they're throwing crap at the wall until something sticks, alot of those games in development are going to languish and die shortly after release. They're still predominately focused on their core strategy of great single player games (look at the previous interview where they admit they cancel alot of games).

Bathyj359d ago

God why do Xbox gamers always love the thought of PlayStation being as crappy as Xbox.?

DarXyde359d ago

"Like never before" regarding GaaS is like saying "PS3 is a console that launched with HDD space like never before": it's a very low bar to clear because there isn't much precedent.

I happen to agree with Shu here. I don't think being a GaaS title is a scarlet letter, but I can't think of any live service games that have been great at launch either. Naughty Dog is looking likely break that trend. I'd say two love service titles at a time is the sweet spot. I suspect people can only deal with a limited number of live service games contemporaneously.

TheCaptainKuchiki359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

Lmaooo
People always criticize Sony because 90% of their exclusives are single player games. People say they are too expensive because of low replay value.
And you wanna pretend like Sony is focusing on Gaas? Their biggest games aren't Gaas unlike MICROSOFT.

ModsDoBetter359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

How are Sony focused on GaaS?

They own Bungie and have Destiny but the majority of their titles are far from GaaS.

Why, if you are such a die hard Xbot, do you rush to comment on Sony related articles?

1Victor359d ago

@obscure
Are you ok now we was worried about your mental health state when you disappeared for almost a week from bashing PlayStation articles.
Is the word DENIED still triggering you?

I haven’t read the article as my spam blocker always red flags that site and I don’t t want to risk it so a general comment it is 🤦🏿
We all know live services game and quality rarely goes together but some of them are fun to play

derek359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

@Obscure, Sony is starting from a place of zero which requires a big initial investment to establish themselves in the live services market.

Vengeance1138359d ago

It's very much the opposite, Shu said this damn well knowing Sony is going hard on GaaS. This is Shu confirming that Single player games won't be effected at all despite them going into Live service.

Extermin8or3_358d ago

Except they aren't really- they have what may be a live service game from Haven studios and firewalk studios, they have another from a second party dev and an fps game with multiplayer focus by deviation games, they counted Gt7 as a live service game but really it's not much different to how recent GT titles were treated, they have the last of us factions, a Horizon multiplayer game in production at guerilla alongside horizon 3, a new ip from Bungie. The rest of their studios seem to be hard at work on traditional singleplayer games that may also have a multiplayer mode or may not. So their live service titles are mostly in development from either new teams setup at existing studios or from acquisitions they have made which really just replace the capabilities they once had through Sony Online Entertainment until they sold it half a decade ago. Only I'd argue their new capabilities in this space would appear to be better and have higher quality talent than it did back then.

Sonic1881357d ago

And what is Xbox focused on? Redfall is so bad, it's worse than Forspoken 😂😂😂

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S2Killinit359d ago

Thank god for actual gamers in the industry.

neutralgamer1992359d ago

Shu I agree but right now Sony themselves are working on more than 5 live service games

Redemption-64359d ago

He never said they were not working on any. He said, he doesn't want to see Gaming's Future dominated by live-Service Games. Sony currently has 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games and that is honestly a very good balance

neutralgamer1992359d ago

I agree I just hope their live service games are not simple money grabs and try to do some good interesting things

-Foxtrot359d ago

"and that is honestly a very good balance"

The issue is, whether people want to admit it or not because it's Sony, but once a company gets a taste of that money GaaS games make the chances of them going money crazy becomes super higher

I know what you'll probably say

"bu bu but Sony wouldn't do that"

NO COMPANY is immune, even the best can fall and I really don't want to see that happen here.

The fact people will completely blow that off and pretend it's not even a possibility is worrying to me because that's how we end up shits creek.

They might be fine...they might go too far but at the moment I don't think it's a bad thing at all to be sceptical with the shit this industry has gone through in the past 10 years alone.

FinalFantasyFanatic359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

The thing is most of those 10 games won't even be viable, out of the 10 that actually get released, probably only 1 or 2 will make the big bucks worth continuing support. I think Sony even knows that, look at all the other GaaS games that release and die shortly after. Personally I'm okay with that because I don't want the market dominated with these games.

I'd actually rather the resources go on to making some more top-tier JRPGs, I feel like we don't get enough of those in the last couple of gens.

neutralgamer1992359d ago

Final Fantasy

But keep in mind when those games fail many of the studios are shut and there are layoffs

NotoriousWhiz359d ago

I don't want a Gaas game. I just want a new socom. A strong multi-player title with no purchases beyond the initial purchase.

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-Foxtrot359d ago

Yeah exactly what I was thinking

Not 1

Not a cheeky 2

But freaking 5

Like it’s not even a “we’ll try doing one and see how it goes”

__SteakDeck__359d ago

@-Foxtrot What do you have against live service games. I’m not a fan of live service games, but multiplayer games can be done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it. As long as PS’s core studios keep making single player games, everything should be fine.

Redemption-64359d ago

Sony said they have 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games. They have more single player games in development

-Foxtrot359d ago

@__SteakDeck__

Urm....that they are a cancer in this industry

That the majority of them fail and the developers have then wasted years on them rather than other things.

They turn developers and publishers into thirsty little money grabbers where that big money is still not enough for them.

I could go on, defending GaaS games is not a hill to die on man, it's really not

"done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it"

Titanfall 2 was not really a GaaS type of game compared to what we are getting now so that's a really bad example.

__SteakDeck__359d ago

@-Foxtrot Yeah it seems like you just have a hatred for multiplayer games. I’m not the biggest fan of multiplayer games, but like I said they can be done well. Also Titanfall 1 had no single player it was multiplayer only and it’s now a dead game, but it was still good. So yes that is a good example.

FinalFantasyFanatic359d ago

@_SteakDeck_,
I'm still salty about Titanfall 2, it was one of the only multi-player games I actually liked.

NotoriousWhiz359d ago

Multi-player games don't have to be Gaas games. Look at Mario Kart, Splatoon. Nintendo's games most likely don't have Gaas because they're behind the times, but this is one area where it's better to be behind the times.

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blackblades359d ago

And? They still have single player games. Domination would completely ruled with live services which Sony should know to still do single player. On a side note they should also do a few 1st party smaller games like indie or AA. By the way is indie a single A game.

Philaroni359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

To be fair, so has many other companies aka Ubisoft for example and many of them they decided to end development on. Just because something is in the works does not mean it will release if they do not feel it will pan out. ATM all of the GaaS we know of from Sony are The Last of Us Factions, and some kind of Horizon (Monster Hunter like) game. Also keep in mind, they do own Bungie, and Destiny and there new project be it Destiny 3 and there new IP will likely be that. So just that on its own is near half of what we can best assume.

Main issue with GaaS now days is that its very over saturated. Keep in mind as well Battel Royal games are GaaS by nature also, hell CoD is GaaS. Halo Infinity, ditto. Really now days unless something is an honest to god single player game only the GaaS term gets over used.

Not sure if many played it (I loved it) Gun's Up was a GaaS for a long while, it was going to shut down till some youtubers gave it a bit of new life for another half of year. We know Sony Mobile is working on things and it not shock me if some of this stuff is targeted to the mobile market.

Right now Sony's biggest weakness I'd say is MP games. With that Firewalk studio from lots of vets they just acquired its quite likely there game will have GaaS stuff as part of it, that is still years down the line. I think everyone needs to chill out some and just wait and see what comes. We have not really got a real honest GaaS from Sony before this or even last gen really... At least as we know them now days. Such a broad term now.

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The face of PlayStation: Shuhei Yoshida on the joy and future of video games

He’s been at PlayStation since the beginning, and seen the games industry transform beyond recognition. He talks unlikely successes, AI, and gaming’s future.

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Workshyskiver365d ago

A titan and a legend of the industry.

autoglope365d ago (Edited 365d ago )

Shue is great. .. He even mentioned Miazaki and Ueda,..

victorMaje364d ago

What a Legend. I salute you.

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