Ryse downgrade officially confirmed by Crytek CEO

Earlier, it was reported that Ryse had faced a possible downgrade from 150k triangle count per character to 85k triangle count per character. Crytek’s CEO has confirmed this downgrade in a tweet adding that it was their own choice.

[Muerte2494]

but as long as they were able to lcok in the framerate, I think it was an acceptable trade off.

[Name Last Name]

lol Crytek

[WarThunder]

Yeah lol!

What do expect from a console that has a GPU similar to a lowend card like the HD7790.

[GrizzliS1987]

well thats embarrassing

[Freedomland]

It's not about polycounts, actually before these titles were running on high end pc with nvidia cards and now on XB1. It's simple as that.

[twinspectre]

http://www.youtube.com/watc... at XBONE

[solar]

WarThunder is right. both XB1 and PS4 runs off the same tablet CPU and low end GPU.

[scott182]

I haven't heard much about Killzone sf update wise on the graphics. All I saw was the updated enemy model http://beyond3d.com/showpos...

I wonder what else they are adding to the game? I wish they would update us.

[KazHiraiFTW]

Who didn't see this coming? First M$ uses PCs to show off Xdone games at E3. That's right, they didn't even use the damn console they are promoting. Next, games that were advertised are now getting downgraded because the console is not powerful enough. Shocking.

[come_bom]

Lot of trolls in here... moderators must be sleeping. They usually sleep a lot in news with comments related to X1 and X360!

As for Ryse, first the 900p downgrade and now the downgrade triangle count per character... this is not a good sign for the X1's raw power. Hope at least that the game is good.

[shivvy24]

True, its pretty disappointing for a console worth $500

[pixelsword]

You can't help but to be a troll with news like that because to respond to any of it will require you to address the consistent downgrading of xbone games, which in doing so will make you appear to be over critical of the xbone; but in reality, the xbone is showing a backing-off of the graphical standards that made their games either stand out or be competitive with PS4's games...

..and that's serious in terms of microsoft saying that the xbone is a technological contemporary of the PS4.

[G20WLY]

^Shivvy24, I agree, but 'worth' and 'costing' are not interchangeable terms; I would suggest 'costing' would have been a better choice to make your point more accurate... :)

[monkeyDzoro]

TBH I don't really care if it's downgraded or not. I'm not buying an X1 now (maybe in 2016/17) but I guess it will still look good.

However, the thing is, MS and their guys have been bragging lately about how PS4 isnt that much powerful compared to X1. And, now you have all those "great" launch titles downgraded : KI, DR3, Ryse... It really makes you wonder if statements claiming PS4 is 50% more powerful than X1 isnt actually TRUE.

And mostly when you see stunning IPs like KZSF running at 1080p native (and achieving 60fps in MP), and OPENWORLD (yes, in caps) inFamousSS at 1080p.

MS should learn to STFU sometimes and admit they're behind. Because they really are.

[clouds5]

They should have stopped after saying graphics dont matter so much^^ And its true. Graphics do not matter too much on consoles!
But now they are contradicting themselves. First saying graphics dont matter anyway and now they come out with these arguments that their games look just as good as ps4 and cloud power and and and...
Its bad publicity. Not that the xb1 has a slighty less power. That's not the issue imho. Its what they say to the public and contradict themselves.

[SegaSaturn669]

I'm just glad they ramped it down enough to be run on the original xbox.

[Xsilver]

lol bubbles for you

[vandal GAB]

They ramped it down to run on next gen console specs, I wouldn't expect miracles from Crytek even on PS4 and I don't on my PC.

[Magicite]

lol and consoles have very little time till launch, they still havent finished launch games.

[Azfargh]

I don´t like MS but I liked a lot Ryse... and downgrade for a smoother fps and Vsync worth any time.

Besides, doing impressive things with lesser resources shows the skill level of a dev team.

Still, I rather have a PS4 ONLY.

[N4realGMRZ]

Dam! even with half the Sh!t turned down Ryse still looks better than KZ!

[mxrider2199]

are you high?

[Reverent]

Ryse never looked better than KZ to begin with.

[BOLO]

Not...Sure...If...Serious?

[nosferatuzodd]

ryse look better than killzone lol very funny i almost believe he's serious when he said that or its sarcasm.. Ryse look better than killzone, i don't know witch detention you're looking from but what ever you're smoking i want some

[Nachoman30]

@ Joke

I hope you realize you sound desperate with your triangle versus triangle bullshit. Last time I checked the devs only mentionned the main character beeing 130 K traingles ( now 85 K). Factualy, all character models in KZ are rendered in 40K polygons with HD textures. Hence technically KZ might allready be pushing way more polygons on screen, not to mention an impressive maryade of Partical systems From what I've seen from ryse is not impressive in the least bit, all NPCs appear to be rendered in a low polygon count with muddy textures. Plus poly count is not everything, GOW 3 was pushing 30 K for Kratos and it looked on par with this game, not to mention GOW ran at 1080p

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Why would they announce a downgrade while many devs are proud to show their engines lifting up?

I thought the XBone got an overhaul in power and this is an exclusive game. I hope multiplats won't suffer (well sadly they will).

[Gimmemorebubblez]

@jokesonyou

JokeSONYou........hahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahah the biggest Xbone fanboy has SONY in his profile name.

Forgive me for being immature.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Thinking of downgrading from ps4 to xbone.. Need an extra $100 though lol damn

900p..

[gamer7804]

Wow talk about poor reporting. Its not a downgrade if they merely lowered triangle counts and upped lighting shading to give the game an overall better look, I wish people would stop trying to create controversy where there is none. I trust cryteks judgement with graphics

[starchild]

Don't expect the clueless fanboys on this site to understand anything like that.

Hate, hate, hate.. is all these people know how to do. I'm not even getting an Xbox One, but the way these people act is just shameful.

[dragon82]

The problem is that there are a select group of users here who were using the triangle count to demonstrate the Xbox One's edge over PS4. Now that the official triangle count has drastically lowered it has rendered that argument invalid and thus is a downgrade.

[gamer7804]

@dragon82

yah i saw that, but you have to look at the bigger picture, lowering one aspect graphically to raise another, to achieve ultimately a better visual and performance not a downgrade, if anything its an upgrade. Crytek wouldn't have done it if it didn't result in a more positive visual experience.

[SilentNegotiator]

@gamer7804 and starchild

"merely lowered triangle counts"
"Don't expect the clueless fanboys on this site to understand anything like that"

Obviously you guys know absolutely nothing about 3D modelling.

[rainslacker]

There's always a trade off between lighting/texture quality and polygon count in any game. People on the "opposing side" may do well to show a little restraint, because there will be times when it will happen mid(or near end)-development with any game.

In the end, better lighting and texture can make up for higher poly count in a more impressive way. Basically the shaders have to do a bit less work since there are vertices to process. Higher poly count is usually more desirable when you see a model close up, and while I'd normally say that you wouldn't get that close up in a game, Ryse does look to have a lot of cinematic camera angles doing just that.

It is possible to make a model that has 40K poly's look amazing with the right shaders, but again, it all depends on a lot of things, and at some point there has to be a trade off.

[Consoldtobots]

MS is a classic study of being first to market and having a near monopoly for almost 30 years. Now that they actually have to compete in markets they don't own and control it becomes very clear that this corporation couldn't launch a wet fart with a truthful presentation or spec sheet.

[BOLO]

^This. They don't have a year head start or RROD console sales boost this time. Even Steve Ballmer is complaining that Google is a "monopoly"...Irony at it's finest. The only thing keeping M$FT afloat is their Windows OS cash pile from the head locked monopoly attained on the PC market.

[lawgone]

Yeah, XBOX and XBOX 360 have been huge failures /s Biased much?

[admiralvic]

@ Lawgone

Consoldtobots never said either were a failure, though the Xbox didn't do as well as the PlayStation 2 did last generation and the 360 was first to launch (giving it a headstart, which was their whole point), though even that had the RROD.

[Consoldtobots]

oh and PS....
you have to be certifiable to invest in a joint venture with this coporation when it comes to anything creative or innovative.

[otherZinc]

@Skips,

You guys are getting all hyped on Ryse when its going to wipe the floor wipe the floor with Deep Down.

Then you try and say Forza5 will be downgraded also...No!, it's the ONLY next gen game running 1080p "native" @ 60fps!

You guys should be worried about Killzone:SF, as it's:
Single Player:No "Campaign Co-op"!
STILL not 1080p "native" @ 60fps!
Multilayer:struggling to maintain 60fps!

And, GG is an in-house SONY exclusive...

[WarThunder]

LOL! are your serios? your comparing a linier racing game to a semi open world game? HAHA!

The damage control is strong here!

- Killzone: SF is 1080p Native.
- Killzone: SF MP runs at 60 fps ( a lot of the time)

- Forza 5 is 1080p and runs at 60 fps but FM5 doesn't have particles and effects like KZ:SF... FM5 isn't a semi open world. FM5 is Arcade races so the physics are not that much advanced to affect the FPS. FM5 has no dynamic lighting, no Global illumination, no Dynamic weather and no Day/night cycle.

So of course its 1080p and runs at 60fps...

[DigitalRaptor]

Oh wow. The delusion is imprinted into your DNA or something?

You just said: "Single Player:No Campaign Co-op" - Single player. Single player. SMH!!!

How is KZ:SF not native 1080p?? How is it struggling, when it's admittedly 60fps most of the time and looks insanely good? Are you asking how a linear non-dynamic racing (Forza 5) game with pre-baked lighting is running at 60fps, whilst a dynamic and open-world style shooter (KZ:SF) with insane particle physics is not running at a locked 60fps?

What kind of world do you live in?

[Pogmathoin]

Developers just trying to get to grips with the architecture of X1. In any other place it would be similar to PS3 cell struggles, but as this is N4G, lets call it a disaster...

[Awolvie]

Just played it today at Eurogamer Expo... The frame rate was terrible.. Was very disappointed

[Cernunnos]

Another thing that is very noticable with Ryse is the extremely short distance you can see the full poly chars, before they get downgraded to horrible LODs.

[garos82]

Forgive my ignorance but what is lods?

[Dee_91]

LOD means level of detail.You have high level med level and low level or just high and medium or low.The closer the object get the higher the detail.A system literally every game this gen and some last gen uses.Its are really noticeable in GTAV.
With that said I'm not quite sure Cernunnos knows what it means

[rainslacker]

Apparently this poly downgrade was to give better LOD's and better lighting.

Most people take LOD for granted, because they don't know what it is, but it's one of those things when it's bad, it's pretty noticeable. When it's good, you don't think about it...which is the way it should be.

[Cernunnos]

I do know what it means Dmarc. All the way back since trying to mod the LOD distances in Morrowind. They are quite noticable in Ryse.

[Dee_91]

Okay.I wasn't sure.Because when you said "horrible LOD'S" it kinda makes it seem like you don't know exactly what an LOD is.But I'm assuming your saying low LOD model

[marcofdeath]

I find this funny, Killzone only has 40,000K polygons per character at low LOD level I, but no one here criticizes Sony for having such a weak spec in game. Here this game is doubling plus that count of 40,000K per character and all I hear is is how underpowered Xbox one is, well how is that? People are you stupid, he just told you that there will not be a LOD that means that your characters on screen will carry the highest polygon counts at all times. Please point out or post a link and show me where PS4 has shown that it can do this type of computational work.

[Beastforlifenoob]

@Ezz2013

How the F**K do you know 40,000 polygons is equal to 80,000 tris? The amount of tris can not be higher than the amount of polygons, because a polygon counts all shapes (quads, tris, ngons etc).

It's like saying there are 10 shapes in total but there are 15 triangles its impossible. Triangles ARE polygons but so are Quads and N-Gons. You are a totally ignorant person who takes s*** out their bakside and tries to feed it to the poor.

XBOX ONE SUCKS, RYSE SUCKS, PS4LIFE (The final comment in order to not get disagrees for stating a completely true fact)

[flunkers]

What???

[rainslacker]

You wouldn't have n-gons in a game model. They do wonky things with shaders and lighting and meshes. When talking game engines(hence games) counts are always in tris because that is what game engines use natively as they are the simplest form of geometry to process.

When actually modeling, the artists will typically use quads and tris to get the desired results. Quads are fine, because a quad can easily be split into tri's without affecting the mesh(the quads stay flat), and as far as I know, all game engines do it for you.

If the dev said they are using 40K polygons, then they are likely using 40K tris, unless stated otherwise.

[donman1]

Damn yet another gut punch to the bad PR machine called the XboxOne.

[Evilsnuggle]

Im sorry xbox fans but MicroSCAM have invited all this scrutiny on xbone. With all bragging on how great the launch game look . The problem is MicroSCAM has a alot of P.R spin master used car salesmen and no mark cerny. Yes games look great on pc window 7 titan card that a their new game debut on ever game on xbone looks different now for the worse. MicroSCAM got caught up in the PS4 hype of most powerful graphic. The fact is that PS4 is more powerful graphicly than xbone 50%-30% more. The more microscam PR Department talk about power it keeps making news. Microscam should focusing on xbone one 80 strength not its weaknesses. If microscam should get the conversation of the PS4 strength and on the PS4 weakness. Microscam should focus on xbone game play and fun not graphics. The xbone has a real advantage over the PS4 and its there cloud service. Not the P.R bull crap they are lying about i mean the real advantage cheaper dedicated servers. Before you comeback that sony also use dedicated servers on first party games and have a partnership with rackspace for dedicated servers on PSN. Microscam owns a cloud service and can offer cheap dedicated servers to third party game developer. If i was microscam i would put a spotlight on online multiplayer gaming and stop trying to out sony sony. Nintendo don' t try to compete with PS4 on graphics they use their strength game play and better first party games. Microscam had a big advantage last gen online games in the start of the last gen that put them a head of PS3.

[kenshiro100]

This is supposed to be a next gen console and there's downgrades to games already?

Lol.

Wow @ jokesonyou. That damage control can't be good for you.

[red_HULK]

This ain't good. Looks like ps4 and steam box for me.

[Persistantthug]

I really don't have anything nice to say....

So I think I'll just stay silent....

And laugh.

:P

[black0o]

before we start spinning facts and using some screen shots before and after

take a look at this: http://n4g.com/news/1355467...

and lets not forget that MS always makes some statements then gve us clarification on another day

[Flutterby]

Funny thing is that the other article about this had therealness user saying it was confirmed on GAF his new fav site that they didn't downgrade but it was only when he wasn't in armor , I wonder what the bullcrapper has to say about this lol, every person defending MS ends up looking like a fool we have a giant list of xboners that look like complete idiots now after all the recent MS news E.G the ones that thought the xbone had dGPU like elite24gamer, georgenoob, frigid, thetruth, edonus and richie007bond and about 12 others I can't be arsed typing because I am on a phone, then you had some guys saying that the games aren't getting down graded and that turned out false as well, it seems all xbone fans do is eat their own feet all day long.

[abusador]

Those guys u mentioned continuously eat their words but they are so blind thy just go on to another hope and lie, get proven wrong and on to the next. Just be happy we will be enjoying the best next gen system and not supporting the constant liars, anti consumer, egotistical and avarice Micro.

[devwan]

@neoMAXMLC When even they don't dare mount the defense, you know it's a lost cause lol

[n4rc]

Ever think people just don't care?

Its the Sony faithful that try to make a big deal about every little thing they can find.. its called game development, this isnt news and its only reported on to stir the pot.

[CernaML]

^^What is it with you Microsoft defenders always twisting the truth? Are you implying that Sony fanboys are the only ones to blow bad news way out or proportion? Give me a break...

Oh, and "people" don't care? Lol right. They all conveniently stopped caring once a nice heaping bowl of crow was served.

[n4rc]

Lmao...

No... Its a common occurrence in game development... What makes it utterly hilarious is you think no ps4 games did the exact same thing..

Its only reported on because ps4 fans are more concerned with the x1 then they are with the ps4... Its flamebait

[gaelic_laoch]

M$ have been writing cheques the XBone can't cash since day one!

Is it even fit for purpose at this stage?

[GiggMan]

Sooner or later the truth was bound to come out. I mean seriously this was originally an only for Kinect game for 360.

It's main focus was graphics and now as it get's closer to launch that's fading away...

[DEEBO]

agent phil just had a press conference about ryse.he said that the downgrade did happen but only because the xbone was not connected online.but when MS connected the xbone online to use their cloud power the count went back up to 150,000.
power of the cloud!

[boing1]

lol

[CEOSteveBallmer]

Hahaha genius!!. Phil harrison: you want 150k poly? then use the power of the cloud!!. if not then 85k for you. take it or leave it XD

[Name Last Name]

Dat powah!!!

[DEEBO]

i have the powerrrrr!

[kenshiro100]

dah powa of dah clowd! :D

But seriously, this negative press is getting worse for MS.

[Destrania]

Nice one haha.

[Magicite]

a true miracle

[Crystallis]

Because the Xbox 1 wasn't connected to the cloud? You've got to be kiddin me. Thats some serious damage control right there LOL!

[GiggMan]

Damn man, you had me going for a second.

That's how believable this was and how stupid MS thinks people are. I can see them saying this lol.

[DEEBO]

yeah i'm not going to lie and say i know what these game developers are talking about sometimes.but i do have common sense and i have seen MS BS the gaming community too many times.

[Daz]

Spin much, and a flamebait tital lol

[Kayant]

Spin? Really now... Please show us how this is a spin?

[v6volume]

"Tital"

[ReZoN]

Titalfall.

[Daz]

so this is downgraded?
http://i.imgur.com/9mV8V6c....

old build pic
http://images.vg247.com/cur...

[HeavenlySnipes]

Screenshots aren't really good especially when they come from the dev themselves. As a link someone posted above said, they photoshop some of their released pics

[Sharius]

yeah, AFAIK, not every xbone come with photoshop build in... maybe they will fix this in new patch thought

[twinspectre]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Consoldtobots]

Xbone: Photoshop Edition

now that's a collectible.....lol

[M-M]

You switched them LOL.

[Daz]

sorry to burst you bubble but it from the latest twith stream from crytek

[TheFallenAngel]

Ryse is a rushed mess. Don't support this game Xbox fans. Everyone deserves good games regardless of your console of choice.

[from the beach]

I'm really looking forward to it actually. Launch games often have an element of being rushed, Kameo for example last gen, but I'm still fond of that game.

[stragomccloud]

It should be noted that most launch games are rushed messes.

[insomnium2]

Trim that fat baby.

[Zeniix]

not surprised to hear this

[CEOSteveBallmer]

So much for bashing playstation games huh?

[FITgamer]

It'll still happen, even after launch when Ryse gets a metacritic rating of 7 they'll say it's a conspiracy.

[5h4h4b]

Hmmm that's a big downgrade.

[pacosanchez88]

and yet its almost 3 times the poly count for beyond two souls. keep this in perspective guys, 85 is still ALOT. either way, it is the gameplay for this game that is the biggest detractor.

[WorldGamer]

And beyond is a current gen game.... just saying.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Isn't Beyond 2 Souls a current gen game?

[pacosanchez88]

my point was that beyond has some of the most realistic and lifelike characters in gaming. poly count isnt the only important factor.

[Beastforlifenoob]

Guys, Kids and potatoes
Poly count
Put polycount in my ass and tell me when it matters.

You can reduce 4 million polygons to 500 polygons quite easily with no possible quality reduction.

You can go around screaming "Poly, POLY LOOK AT DEM POLYS" without realeasing you could hop into 3dsmax subdivide a box 10,000 times and have 60,000 polys but its still a box! Polys dont fricking matter that much.
http://upload.wikimedia.org...

[SilentNegotiator]

"You can reduce 4 million polygons to 500 polygons quite easily with no possible quality reduction"

Sure, if all you're doing to create the 4 million in the first place is dividing flat planes into unnecessary pieces. If you're actually creating texture with them, no.

[rainslacker]

If that were true then we wouldn't need stronger video cards to produce next gen graphics.

No amount of fancy shader work will make up for lack of vertices to apply those shaders to. A shader works by determining what the light should look like when reflecting off a surface. You can approximate a surface look to cause a smoothing effect, or added depth look, however, the more you drop the number of surfaces the less approximation you get.

Also, I don't know about you, but there is a drastic difference in quality between the 4M model shown, and the 500 model shown. Now start applying shadows, multi-source lighting, and more than a grey-scale texture to that model you show, and it would look horrible at 500 polys.

Edit: I rather simplified how shaders work above. There is a lot involved with edges and surfaces as well. Sorry for anyone who does this or is knowledgeable about it. Vertices aren't necessarily what makes a shader work.

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

Maybe the "Cloud" will make the game better though LMFAO!!!!!!!

[bumnut]

Wow what an original comment

[Supermax]

A game that dosnt have a constant 60 fps is a bust for a launch game.

[ape007]

to me a locked 30 FPS is better than higher inconsistent framerate

[black0o]

30 f/s with great physics and dynamic environment is better then 60f/s with static environment

COD vs BF ''consoles only''

[CrossingEden]

Wow, you must hate infamous second son, watch dogs, and killzone then.

[ape007]

same with Deep Down, downgraded from debut

maybe these games are little bit too ambitious to run at launch or shortly after

[Baka-akaB]

How about you guys back up that claim already ? I see a few of you repeating that with nothing but their own eyesight and judgement or shoddy youtube shots .

Downgrade or not Deep down seems rather close to the target render in the latest feeds , is fluid and features pretty much the same astonishing sfx and fire effects everyone claimed impossible . or at least something very close .

[5h4h4b]

Please don't compare a game in pre alpha stage with a game nearing its launch.

[Flutterby]

Lol the xbone has one game left to downgrade and that is forza which I'm guessing considering there isn't much going on in that game it might not get downgraded. So much for the keeping on par with the ps4 that MS stated, they can't even get exclusives running at 1080p let alone 60fps and they can't even keep 720p with 30fps without either removing things or downgrading graphics. All I said was facts but I guess someone will try to spin it.

[CGI-Quality]

Like them, I'll be waiting on a confirmation of Deep Down's "apparent" downgrade. Otherwise, please don't spout anymore nonsense.

OT: It's a launch game, so it's to be expected that they won't reach their target.

[Imalwaysright]

While I'm not at all interested in Deep Down, the game doesn't even have a released date and we have no idea how it will look on release day.

[abusador]

Spin my #ss, ouch more smoke, mirrors and deception from predictable micro. Its sad that their pattern is always the same show product running on super PC or with super up hardware nowhere akin to what consumers will buy, then boast about it and same gullible fanboys time after time cause flame wars and boast about another lie, then feel dumb in the end. Kinect good example, bull shots of other IPS, now Ryse being 900p and less polys. When will you guys learn!

One more talking point out of the few they had gone, prepare for a stronger approach on lying about their cloud computation beefing up visuals with absolutely no proof. By the way kinect 2 has already been shown to be lagging again and hit or miss again but I guess they will show a presentation where someone is acting or hitting a button in their pocket to make it look seamless and the regulars will eat it up, then angry Joe will tear it apart Lol and ull say he is a Sony fan hahaha

[ape007]

sry double post

[Baka-akaB]

I pity the fanboy fools that were leaving by the "look at the polycount" bible . And can already see them scurry and regroup behind lame excuses .

HOWEVER , i praise Crytek for that bit of honesty and intelligence . A better framerate needs to be the goal

[Godmars290]

Still, it sign that Crytek needs to shutup about graphics being most of a game when they can't seem to deliver on them.

[torchic]

or maybe the hardware is failing them?

[Baka-akaB]

Yeah , it's their idiotic antic that forces them to eat crows . Still most other would stealth downgrade it and let everyone discover it at release

[OrangePowerz]

I take it the E3 demo wasn't running on the actual console.

[5h4h4b]

It was on pc without doubt bro.

[Hercules189]

We can say the same with killzone and deep down, which has both been downgraded from their reveal trailers. Compare the textures on the helghast in the reveal demo and then look at the e3 demo, not even in the same league.

[PFFT]

And dont forget about Need for Speed. Running on a PC at gamescom.

[Xsilver]

http://i.imgur.com/dgZv0sX....
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...
http://www.cinemablend.com/...
comapared to the early build http://media1.gameinformer....
what they hell are you talking about get off the drugs. KZ looks better than the first reveal.

[strickers]

Are you comparing single player to multi ?? :-). Killzone is most next gen looking game I've seen. I've seen these with my own eyes.

[Sevir]

Lmao! Killzone Shadow Fall Multiplayer Mode has been confirmed to look just a tad lower than the single player, and that's because the Single player portion is running at 30 frames per seconds and locked!!! KZ hasn't received a downgrade, Both Single player Demos look spectacular...

And just to throw out some facts, Killzone Shadow Falls Single player models when it launches will be around 80,000 per character. And that comes from Their post mortem tech breakdown from Feb 2013 after the PS4 reveal.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
"In terms of graphics, this is where the enhancements Guerrilla has made over Killzone 3 are perhaps best appreciated. For in-game characters, the PS3 game used three different LOD models (more polygons used the closer you are to the character in question), up to 10,000 polygons and 1024x1024 textures. Things have changed significantly for PlayStation 4 with seven LOD models and a maximum of 40,000 polygons and up to six 2048x2048 textures.

The geometry pass vacuums up more GPU processing time than any other system, but Guerrilla readily admits that the extra detail only offers up an "incremental quality improvement" over Killzone 3, with the vast bulk of the visual boost coming from the variety of materials employed, the lighting model and all the other engine changes. There's also the sense from the presentation that Guerrilla is still finding its feet in terms of optimisation - specifically in terms of pixel and vertex shaders, where there's discussion on streamlining here potentially opening the door to double the polygon count."

[ExitToExisT]

Polycount downgrade for main character is not important. Most of the character models this gen were 30k.
Whats important is: 1080p resolution, 60 fps , 2k textures, anti aliasing

[Flutterby]

And ryse doesn't have 1080p or 60fps

[SoulSercher620]

Dam you got him there

[ExitToExisT]

lol at the disagrees.
I know Ryse isn't 1080p or 60 fps. I meant those stuff were important for next gen games

[WorldGamer]

@ ExitToExist

Naw man, I think you just got told sir, just take it......
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW50...

[Beastforlifenoob]

@Flutterby

WOAH HOLAY FECES!!!
A console doesnt have 1080p graphics... OMG OMG GUYS DO YOU HEAR THAT. Oh dont worry its fine with the rambiling of brainded cosnoles noobs, I will be playing my pc comfortably at 2 times 1080p running at 60fps weather its multiplayer, singleplayer or whatever. Im playing at 2k 60fps

Good night flutterby and please continue to try and convince me how 1080p at 30fps is impressive in any tangible way whatsoever, continue

[otherZinc]

@Flutterby,

And, Forza 5 is the ONLY next gen game that does both:
1080p "native" @ 60fps, Period, Exclamation Point!

[fsfsxii]

I'm surprised that there aren't many fanboys here damage controlling.

[OrangePowerz]

They gave up?

[fsfsxii]

Or failed to find a way to spin this news. I thought theWB could come up with anything. Jokesonyou tried and failed horribly

[sigfredod]

lol also marius titus is mia

[Volkama]

I'm not convinced. I've been trying to count the polygons myself, but I can't get anywhere near 85k. I thought squinting might help, but that just made it more blurry.

How many polygons can you see??

[Hercules189]

I can count all the way to a kazillion polys

[chrissx]

Classic M$. I feel sorry for the hardcore fanboys who stand by all these deceit

[MatriXcian]

I could swear a bunch of fanboys were touting forza and Ryse over and over again. Where are they now?

[Hercules189]

They are still amazing looking games and are going to be rated very high also.

[strickers]

Forza looks nice. Amazing ? No. Again, seen with my own eyes.

[Convas]

Oh no! How can I play and enjoy the game knowing this?!

Still buying Ryse.

[strickers]

Well done. You don't even know if it is likely to be good.

[Convas]

So you mean I'm not allowed to make my own choice now on what I THINK will be good and what won't?

The internet has to tell me?

The herd mentality here has folk telling people they aren't allowed to think for themselves apparently.

Thank you "noble" internet warrior, but I'm a big boy, capable of making my own decisions.

[Biggest]

No one is stopping you, big boy. Spend your money on gimped games all you want. It'll make that jump to 1080p so much sweeter for you.

[5eriously]

@convas

Going by the obvious decision you already made I doubt that kneejerk of a buthurt comment very much.

Stupidity of American little mommy's fannyboys just astound me. Calling themselfs "BIG" boys? Pffft!

I am just amazed how these fannyboys changed from boasting and demeaning attitudes about the PS4 and it's launch titles to buthurt defending of M$'s constant 180 U-turns and downgrading of launch tittles.

BTW I don't think you "THINK" your "decisions" through, it's rather the fannyboy ego that's doing the thinking and talking.

[Deltaguy]

you don't know if any next gen game will be good because you haven't played them yet

[Tontus]

85k tris isn't quite next gen, I was expecting at least double the highest the PS3/360 could do. Kratos in God of War III is practically naked but his in-game character model is still 30K polygons which is 60K tris. In God of War: Ascension he's probably 70K+ and he's wearing even less.

So basically Ryse's character model is on par with Kratos but his skin shaders and animations should be better.

Ryse still looks good but I can't wait to see Kratos next gen.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

Didn't Kratos have around 20k poly's?

[carlosjrix]

and i think killzone sf is 40 k
http://i.imgur.com/zSHJ9O3....

[carlosjrix]

yep
God of War 3
Kratos - 22,000
http://beyond3d.com/showthr...

[starchild]

Triangles ARE polygons. They are the type of polygons that game engines use. When a developer says polygons or they say triangles they are referring to the exact same thing.

The are talking about the polygon count within the engine which is what we will actually see, not the poly count within modeling software.

Triangles are three-sided polygons that are used in game engines. The polygon/triangle counts that get announced are always the numbers used in the in-game models, not the poly counts used way back when the character was modeled in z-brush.

People want to know the polygon count for how the character will appear in the game. It's irrelevant how many polygons were originally used to create the character in a modeling program.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

150k Triangels was way too much tbh (though it would be great if they were able to use it). I'm curious if you will actually notice such a big difference, since 85k is still a lot.

I'll take better shaders with 85k and no LoD over 150k with worse shaders and LoD in a heartbeat, if they've done the optimisation properly and if it provides a better framerate.

Really curious what the game will look like seeing it on your own TV. I'm sure it will look sexy as hell (amount of joints are insane).

[carlosjrix]

http://beyond3d.com/showthr...
God of War 3
Kratos - 22,000

[NoLongerHereCBA]

I know :) Think your reply was meant for Tontus?

[darksky]

How many people would have actually noticed if Crytek hadn't mentioned it? Probably not many I suspect. They might have lowered it if they had found that the increased poly count did not make it look much better. Could have been a very small visual difference at the expense of performance.

[MajorAly]

Another disappointment?

How many are there now in total?

KI = 720p/60fps
Ryse = 900p + now this
Dead Rising 3 = 30fps locked

[MotoDot]

this proves X1 is weaker , am buying a PS4

[PFFT]

The thing is with Dead Rising is that there is a shit load of stuff going on. There are a shit load of zombies. the game is constantly streaming and almost all of the buildings can be accessible. IF this game would have been a PS4 exclusive you can bet your ass it too would have been locked at 30fps as well no if or buts about it. And no this proves SH!T.

[OrangePowerz]

The Zombies consist of a few main models with slight changes in cloth, Heavenly Sword already had huge amounts of AI using this method.

Also looking at Dead Rising 3 screens it appears that textures in general are blurry.

[MajorAly]

The point of everything is that Microsoft over-promised on everything and is now under delivering.

[cell989]

Dead Rising 3 isnt doing anything new tho, we've seen all of this in DR1 and DR2

[ziggurcat]

@ PFFT

"The thing is with Dead Rising is that there is a shit load of stuff going on"

keep telling yourself that...

[Tigan]

I think most have made up their minds about the game and a few triangles and a bunch of fanboys trolling the game every chance they get isn't going to change anything. It still looks lile a fun game to play.

[harrisk954]

@Tigan... The most recent issue of Game Informer in its "Preview" section pretty much bashes Ryse. Seriously, I've been a subscriber to GI for 7 years and I think that it is one of the most forgiving publications when it comes to game review scores (they GENERALLY (i.e., not all the time, but generally) give higher scores or go easier on most titles than many other publications).

Even more troubling is that most publications in PREVIEWS give generally positive feedback and you rarely see negativity in a preview (this causes confusion many times as titles notoriously get positive preview coverage and then mediocre review scores (e.g., Aliens:CM)). Not so with GI's Ryse preview. Check out the latest issue:

QUOTE: "Interactions with my co-op partner were limited. If one player dies, the other can revive them, and weakening foes together softens them up for faster executions. Performing executions activates perks and earns XP. During the more frantic fights I noticed problems with Ryse’s zoomed-in third-person camera involving the player character obscures the action. Hit detection was also off. I swung my sword at enemies that were nowhere near me and was surprised to see the attacks register. Enemies also tend to clip through objects in the environment during the slow motion executions, which strips the moment of drama. This is an early version of the Xbox One launch game, but I’m a little worried given how close we are to the console’s release."

I don't know about anyone else, but to me, this does not bode well for this game. I was actually really surprised by this statement in the magazine.

[I am just quoting GI... if anyone wants to disagree with this post, that's fine, but at least provide a reason for the disagree.]

[devwan]

@Tigan

" It still looks lile a fun game to play."

When has Ryse ever looked like anything more than a button masher? The combat seems wonky and the gameplay depth far, far below games from the current gen in this genre.

No, for me, Ryse has always been about one thing and one thing only - a graphics showcase for the x1 - something xbox one superfans could use to boast about and reaffirm their hardware choice with...

But losing 1/4 of the resolution, 2/5 of the character model and, to my eyes at least, a hell of a lot of IQ given more recent shots, the game doesn't even have that going for it anymore.

This game is going to review badly and will never live up to the E3 promise.

[Clarence]

It's getting close to launch and now M$ has to show their games running on xbone instead of PCs. The truth is coming out.

Well in other news deep down 60fps 1080p
http://n4g.com/news/1357589...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?...

[srd4484]

Deep Down better be 60fps 1080p. There's hardly anything going on in a dark dungeon.

[metalgod88]

Srd, it definitely is. I've seen actual footage of it being played and it's definitely 1080p at 60fps and it is beautiful.

[Clarence]

So salty. So so salty. Not to much going in ryse either follow the prompts you should be able to beat the game in 3hrs.

[Angels3785]

It is and its in PRE alpha stage....so the graphics are likely to improve even MORE!

[LiQuiZoN]

Typical Micorsoft... Lies, Lies, Lies. Overpromise and Under deliver. Thank you Sony for cleaning up your act and focusing on GAMERS! Using solid hardware design, a very nice looking box and a killer price point!

[Dante81]

This is what happens when they spend $100 mil designing a controller with vibrator triggers, and gimp the gpu.

[falviousuk]

Sony fanboys out in force today

[BlackPhillip666]

Where`s the power of the fluffy white cloud NOW !!!!

[fghtrer3fb5erg]

If we look at killzone shadow fall running at 1080p/30fps with beautiful graphics and draw distance with destructible environments, yet, its a semi open world game, i dont think xboxone games will ever match it, and forza5 has poor AA, im not the only one saying this, other ppl have said the same thing, this forza5 suffered a downgrade from the previous videos, and, the lightning reflections arent all that great.

[jay2]

Pmsl get some ps4 dev kits to re upgrade then.

[SoulSercher620]

And yet another downgrade confirmed. And LOL at all the people saying Deep Down got a downgrade. Got actual proof it's confrmed?

[MasterCornholio]

But didn't they over clock the GPU to prevent this from happening?

Nexus 7 2013

[Nekroo91]

you call that overclock? the gpu is still low end, weak ass gpu. and even the cloud affects the cpu not the gpu so most things they said and did is BS

So for this game to achieve 30 fps they had to go 900p native and decrease the grpahics quality?!

This is what happens when they show games running on beast pcs to get hype and then the thruth comes out.

[MasterCornholio]

So I guess that over clocking the GPU did almost nothing for the Xbox One. Why did they even bother doing it? Maybe to generate hype and dispel rumors about production issues but that's just my opinion.

Nexus 7 2013

[srd4484]

Shows how much you know. They UPCLOCKED. Get your facts straight.

[5eriously]

I have to help you. Shame!

https://www.google.co.za/se...

[Angels3785]

Oh my god.....I think you are the most stupid person I have ever come across.....whats your name?!?!?! where do you live??? I need a picture of Darwin's lowest form of man....

[cactusjack]

no wonder balmer is leaving microsoft, he is ditching the titanic before it hits the iceberg.

[Pintheshadows]

MS is currently under attack from every angle imaginable in each of their business spaces. They don't look like the comfortable company of a decade ago anymore.

[Hakoom]

truth hurts...
i told you this game is runnable on the ps3..
nothing next gen ;)

[tuglu_pati]

All next gen games are runnable on current gen systems, just with major downgrades. If they are downgrading it for XBone that is more powerful that any current gen system (fact), imagine how it would look on PS3.

[Hakoom]

not realy
not all games..
even before the downgrade ryse looked doable on the ps3..
crytek needs to learn from companies like naughtydog and santamonica

[Angels3785]

Heck almost anything is runnable with downgrades, this game could be on ps3 but it wouldnt look as good as xbox one...now ps4 iis another story xD If crytek can get crisis 1 (the most hardcore unoptimized pc game) to run on ps3....ryse is a joke in comparison...

[Hakoom]

the game didnt look amazing for it to be downgraded..
compare it to deep down which runs at 60fps.. and thats not even made by naughtydog..
just wait til ND shows us a game at e3... would make ryse look like a ps1 game in comparision

[Destrania]

It's so funny (but expected) that each time a PS4 exclusive is shown it just looks better and better, while X1 exclusives just get worse and worse.

[PFFT]

Only to a Sony fanboy it does. even if there was a game that looked great on the XBO you fools wouldnt admit it. cause your blind fanboyism doesnt allow it.

[medman]

Can anybody say butthurt?

[e-p-ayeaH]

Xbox One will cost more than a PS4 and games perform worse on it compared to PS4 what kind of BS is this!?

Sony is automaticly the winner if games really do in fact look better on their system.

[Pancit_Canton]

Even the developers are doing a complete 180.
I guess crytek can't Ryse to the CLOUD.

[solidboss07]

Yes, quite.

[Kuse]

I remember a time when all gamers cared about was the actual games and not how pretty they looked...

[devwan]

It's a shame Crytek don't.

Ryse is the epitome of style over substance...

.. with the added fail that the style keeps getting cut, botched and shed on a weekly basis.

[solidboss07]

I am really worried about that big ugly console now.

[medman]

What a shock. The xbone disappoints yet again. News at 11.

[christocolus]

imo this game still looks really really good and even at 85k im yet to see anything better looking coming out for launch on both consoles in nov....and for a launch game i think crytek actually has tried and put in a lot.stating the drop in poly count is a plus cos some other devs would not even be this honest bcos most gamers wouldnt have noticed a difference.and pls whats with the psfbs stalking xbox articles again?..give it a rest and grow up..the game still looks phenomenal and given the fact that launch is just a few weeks away they obviously would have needed more time to optimize so this was sort of a compromise.....a sequel though has been planned, hopefully it will be a closer realisation of what crytek planned for the game from the beginning....great work to the guys at crytek..and fbs like it or not this game will be a sucess.

[EXVirtual]

Oh snap, here we go again. What happened to that secret sauce?
Seriously, first, this game runs at 900p and now it gets a triangle count downgrade. What more proof do you need to know that there is no secret sauce?

[strigoi814]

Thats what happen when you present a game on high end PC then ported to console...

[Kuse]

85k Polygons is still a lot more than what most games comes standard with, and the tradeoff is fine with me since they are bringing more LOD. Of course the Sony Ponies don't read the entire article they just see the buzz word.

[Red_Devilz]

b...b....b...but Have You Seen Titalfall?

[Pintheshadows]

In fairness to Titanfall it looks like a good game but it is hardly anything to write home about visually, especially with the washed out colour palette that plagues Call of Duty.

[Angels3785]

Honestly I am looking forward to titanfall on ps4 but I agree with what the others have said above about the washed out color palette and other games looking much better.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I just read this guy tweet...

Cevat Yerli @RealtimeCevat

#Ryse Hero Marius 85k polys? It was choice: 150k polys w LODs vs 85K + better shading + no LODs (stable). The latter wo at better quality!

So basically, this was a trade-off of balance?!! Hell IDK..!

[AllroundGamer]

now it's obvious why they showed most of the time their games running on PCs instead on Xbox Ones...

[devwan]

Exactly. If things have to get this drastic now, imagine how poor they must have been running on actual hardware back at E3 time?

[Phish]

I'm not sure if these downgrades are due to devs being rushed to make the launch, or if it is due to lack of console power. Regardless, I really expected next gen to be 1080p native across the board. As it stands now, xbox fitness may be the best reason to buy an xbox one at launch.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

The xbones "time to triangle" is a lot longer than previously thought.

[SynestheticRoar]

You mean MS told another fib, and every time we saw it running on PC. We thought that's the game were getting. I can't believe it. lol.

[jahfen83]

With this news and the news about KZ not running at a constant 60fps I feel like these consoles should have come 6 years ago.

Really why is every single game coming to these next-gen consoles not 1080p at 60fps!?!?

[TalonJH]

Look at PS3/360's best games from launch.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2...

http://www.ign.com/videos/2...

Then look at recent games on the PS3/360.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2...

http://www.ign.com/videos/2...

Both systems will have better looking and better preforming games over time. Just have patience.

[5eriously]

I have patience. I will buy the PS3 now and maybe the Xbone in four years when they come with a "fixed" slim XBtwo SKU that was not rushed.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

So it won't look (super pretty) & have it will have crap game-play, I'm predicting 7/10 or lower meta critic scores for Ryse now.
With the Emphasis on Entertainment, and snapping Metro tiles,- at the sacrafice of Raw power, and graphics engine, - dead zones in the Xbone controller,.. I don't know how you guys can keep giving support to a company, that hates gamers - and views them as coke addicts (ballmer) that will keep buying any s#it that they pump out.

[saber00005]

Xbox Gamers be like: "WTF"
PS4 Gamers be like: "U MAD BRO?"

Deep Down PS4 FTW!

[Sven Benoit]

Man this site is hilarious. You got dudes in here arguing over polygons LOL! Grow up like seriously. Ps2 was obviously the weaker than the original XBOX, but which system game out on top. Why? because of the GAMES. Graphics aren't everything. You guys act like Ryse still doesn't look solid. Damn this site is site is just pure comedy at this point.

[strickers]

Ryse does look a bit poo gameplay wise. Graphics are by no means bad but not technically as impressive as many on here claimed ( or MS). Killzone is the best looking launch game and Infamous is the best looking next gen game shown. You may not agree but technically they are closing to the cutting edge .

[MajorAly]

Yeah, MS has games. Like this generation hasn't told the story to everyone...

[WorldGamer]

You admonish "dudes" on the site arguing about polygons, then proceed to try and make a point about a similar topic in the same thread?

In my book, that makes you a hypocrite. It's a valid discussion being had here. If you don't like it, you can easily choose not to read the comments.

Seems like you are the "hilarious" one to me sir. Or are you just upset about news?

Call me crazy, but it sounds like you might be mad bro.

[Beastforlifenoob]

Its the same thing that was happening when the PS3 first launched everyone was hating upon it and then everyone loved it 2 years later.

[TalonJH]

More of a tradeoff than a downgrade if what the tweet is saying is true.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The sky is falling....that is all.

[cyclindk]

Just insane... games usually play better and get BETTER looking toward the end of their development cycle, not worse...

[L4NCEYJSC]

AHAHAHA what a bunch of teasing idiots.

Let's up the details for E3 so we can sell as many of these crap Xbox's as possible and then nearer the time we will say what the detail actually is, which is pants.

I'm actually stood in mo office reading this clapping. I'm clapping that the award for 2013 BIGGEST FAIL goes to..........XBOX!!!!!!!!!!! Yes come up and grab your award which is in the shape of a massive dildo. Go take that home for the wife as its the only thing that will satisfy her after you feeble looking manhood!

PS4 PEACE!!!!

[Edvin1984]

Am I the only one excited just for the game? LoL I really could give a crap how many polygons if it looks better than lets say God of War 3 did that will be amazing to me, as that game looked great. Anyways, add me on PSN or XBLA if you play co-op games

PSN
GodSendsDeath

XBLA
ItsMrEdvin2u

Thanks,

[gdguide]

God of War wasn't about fighting human like warriors that made it great. It's the wild beast designs and HUGE epic boss battles that made it stand out. This just doesn't really interest me more than a weekend rental to try out some of the finishing moves. I'm sure it will be a good game. It's just not a "This is why I will buy an X1 at launch" title for me.

[TheObserver]

They downgraded for "Balance". LMAO.

[MasterCornholio]

Well people say that the Xbox is a highly customized system thats properly balanced.

;)

Nexus 7 2013

[Soc5]

Balance is the new catchphrase for " remember what we said we were gonna give you?
Yeah not so much"

[SpideySpeakz]

Maybe they'll make that up with the Cloud powa

[H0RSE]

Wow - console gamers arguing poly counts...seems that many of you aren't satisfied unless their is something to argue about. If there was nothing to argue, you would probably complain about that...

First off, 85k down from 150k, is gong to be something you're not going to notice. Second, am I missing where MS apparently lied? The game was in fact using 150k, so they weren't lying about that, and dropping down to 85k, is no indication of anyone lying. I mean if anyone would like to direct me to a link where MS stated that Ryse will never ever run at anything less that 150k poly count, and still stated this after it changed, please link it to me.

All I have seen MS guilty of here is marketing hype, not lies. They didn't up the detail for presentation - the game was actually running at those settings. It seems to be more of an issue of sacrificing quality for performance, rather than a case of MS choosing to show of the "best of the best" version of the game, and then secretly downgrading it after the game events passed, and even if that was the case, again, that is marketing hype, not lies, especially considering that the Crytek CEO has confirmed the change - usually when you lie to people, you tend to want to keep the truth from them...

And no, I'm not an apologist of an MS fanboy, it's just seeing it for what it is. You show me where they are "liars" here - actual evidence, not suggestion or subjective claims - and I'll stand corrected.

[5eriously]

You are not defending M$ and they are not liers?

Tell me then where is Milo and the super XBox AI that never came to fruition on the 360? They stole the glamour for it and it was all over the media for a long while but now the deafening silence of that particular BIG lie is golden.

I will never ever believe anything M$ BS PR spins. They have proven themselves to be the World masters in that area... of BS PR and disappointing their consumers and customers.

[H0RSE]

So your response to my post, is to bring up an entirely different case that has nothing to do with the current situation? Looks like a case of deflecting to me...

I didn't even know what you were talking about when you mentioned Milo, until I looked it up, and I said to myself "that thing?" That's you "smoking gun?" Essentially a tech demo that hasn't materialized into what we saw on screen...really?!

[badkolo]

dude how can you mention those things when sony lied over and over, emotion engine, killzone was cgi and the power of the cell and so many other things, not saying lets defend ms, they bullshit all the time but so does sony, this polygon downgrade, well it is what it is, if the game is smooth now and looks the same and has better shadows etc now then great. never have the launch games truly wowed us, there is always 1 or 2 games and the rest dont hsow the true power, both systems have the 2 good games so lets take it for what it is and wait, then when or if the differences between the 2 systems become apparent then rag on the one which lied the most

[Soc5]

Dude dont take people on these boards so literally who cares what people say

Oh yeah and both companies lied case closed
Yeay! lets go grab some beers and some beeetches

[KontryBoy706]

What about the POWER OF THE CLOUD? LOL Smoke and Mirrors! I haven't believed it since day one that they can somehow improve graphics with the cloud. If that were the case it would have been done on PC already...

[H0RSE]

PC's have cloud capability, it just isn't as emphasized as much, since 1) they are much more powerful than consoles, and 2) dedicated servers have been the standard since like early 2000's.

The cloud on PC is more heavily used outside of gaming.

[xSubxZer0x]

The xbox one is going to end up playing second fiddle to the PS4 for the entire console generation if microsoft dont start doing things right and i have been loyal to the xbox console since the original but now, now im getting a PS4 purely because im bored with the xbox and all its exclusives. Looks like it was the right time to jump ship anyways.

[lifeisgamesok]

This article claims it's a downgrade but have you guys seen the new build it looks even better

The armor looks more realistic and so does the character models

They simply replaced a higher poly count for better shader work and it shows

[H0RSE]

Your rationality and down to earth comments are not wanted here. Either pick a side (xbox or PS) and grab a pitchfork, or get out!

[DevilishSix]

You mentioned the armor looks more realistic. One of my bigget grips about the game was that the armor always looked brand new and pristine. Did they fix that and make the armor look battered, bloody, wartorn, etc. If not then its not more realistic. I have not seen videos recently, just asking.

[AceBlazer13]

I love to see these guys squirm around.

[Goku781]

I've been telling people most of this stuff from the beginning. Looks like people are finally starting to see for themselves. Guess there is hope for the video game community and my bubble sacrifice was not in vain after all.

[tubers]

KZSF 40K left, 10K right.

http://i.imgur.com/iKdz93F....

(gaf)

85K is nothing hideous. Not to mention Cevat said there's no LOD (objects materializing into lower or higher quality depending on camera positioning).

[Hicken]

The one on the right is from KZ3, troll.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"A comparison of a PS4 40,000 polygon model Helghast on the left up against his 10,000 polygon PS3 counterpart on the right. The comparison is somewhat skewed as the PS3 model is rendered in the PS4 engine, with all the lighting and materials advantages it offers"

Damn, what you guys won't do to make your points.

[saint_seya]

LOL Edonus, i think the most delusional fanboy in the world #i think N4g its not enough#, calling other user foolish..
Its this a jk? I mean, when i hear to talk edonus, i believe is a 8 year old child, then again, i have 8 year old nephews, and they are way more smart, so i dont know what to think anymore.
Edonus what it feels to live #literally# in a cloud?

OT: After all this rocket science and cloud power MS said they have.. I just wanna see how the games are ACTUALLY RUNNING IN THE X-BOX ONE once is released.. Because so far we are only hearing about downgrades, FPS's problems. So are those downgrades or was it that all games were shown in pcs that were more capable than what the X-box one, and now we are starting to see what they should have showed in the first place.

[tubers]

Totally my bad, missed to type KZ3 left but it should've been more obvious to the KZ afficionado.

Lighting isn't the point, it's polygon count.

Diminishing returns of poly model count has been stated for a while.

http://www.dominicsmith.inf...

Re-read the link and try to have a better comprehension of the context.

[MadSientist89]

game actually looks better now, proof here.

(look here) http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...
old http://images.vg247.com/cur...
new http://i.imgur.com/9mV8V6c....

[badkolo]

if thats the new build, oh my does it look better

[QuantumWake]

Funny how we're already 5 pages into the comments and a lot of people have chosen to gloss over this post. That or they just haven't noticed it.

[MadSientist89]

its N4G man, ps4 bots hard at work on here. if they can ignore it, that counts as it doesn't exist.

[Angels3785]

no one glossed over it...he posted something similar on a different page and was revealed to have shown (photoshopped) images that were in another article and is mixing up the old vs new builds....

[megamanX2]

lol the system cant even handle its own game, and this is what you people are going to pay $500 plus for?

[svoulis]

You're just really shooting to lose all your bubbles huh. I mean no offense this is no relevance to PC since this game isn't even coming to PC (unfortunately)

[bumnut]

This site amazes me.

Whenever PC games are mentioned everyone says graphics don't matter, gameplay is what counts. Yet whenever PS4 has an edge over Xbox, graphics are the only thing that matters?????

Some people don't deserve the internet!

[Tooly]

A pc is not a console thats Why .Its A Cosole war, pc Would be nvidia vs AMD.We all know pc are the graphic kings.but its a debate about getting the most out of the consoles,not everbody want a pc.

[bumnut]

Its still a gaming platform though, and thats what counts.

[megamanX2]

"You're just really shooting to lose all your bubbles huh. I mean no offense this is no relevance to PC since this game isn't even coming to PC (unfortunately"

blah blah blah get a life.

[svoulis]

I am sorry that I don't sit in console threads spewing garbage about how superior PC is.

If you ask me, and probably anyone else.

That seems like more of a "no life" type of thing.

[iceman600]

yet your the one worrying about it seems like a no life type of thing to me. Have fun getting your wallet raped my Microsoft idiot.

[bumnut]

I will just regain my bubbles by posting generic PS4 is great comments. Its true that this is not a PC thread but the point is still valid.

[svoulis]

@iceman600

I am not even getting an Xbox One. haha.

[CJDUNCAN]

I keep wanting to give this game a shot at launch, but seems like every other week there's something else wrong with it. I should know better considering it's Crytek, all they care about is how a game looks.

[Krosis]

This game would have been downgraded on either console--jesus you console kids are deluded lol

[Shane Kim]

The 500 dollar VHS just keeps getting worse and worse.

[cyhm3112]

haha, I love how xbone is going to fail so fast after its launch. haha. I do hope MS can come out with a new xbox sooner after xbone's imminent big fail. Just like xbox360 come out only 4 years after the original xbox. I guess with this big a fail, the next xbox after xbone if there is any, will come out much sooner than PS5 and this time around, it will be very powerful.

[GusBricker]

Just make sure the game runs smoothly, that's the most important thing. Give me better framerate over slightly better graphics any day.

[gdguide]

What I don't get is why the drastic drop. Not just a small tweak which is usually what they are doing right now. Didn't they see the performance hits months ago with the known X1 specs? I just don't get how they waited this long with the hardware in place to make such a huge drop. Does this mean this game will be 1080p again though? Is that the tradeoff for this? Or is this just a straight up downgrade to make it run properly?

On a side note, the shaders do look better than before. But I would want to see gameplay visuals and not just the cut scenes before and after.

[bligmerk]

Great way to head into a launch. The claim demos running on high-end gaming PC's are "equivalent" to the XBone is going to bite them in the ass, now that demos are being shown on XBone hardware, look like mud and now need downgrades in resolution and graphics to run even marginally. Then have a first party developer like Turn10 saying Forza5 is maxing out the hardware -- before launch. When the kiosk demo units start showing up in a couple weeks, the differences are really going to become obvious. The PS4 is running circles around the XBone at this point. The XBone slow train wreck that started happening in February is going to derail off the tracks next month, then totally crashing after launch.

[tudors]

It's not maxed out, it's just reached the limits of the dev software.

[badkolo]

looks to me to be more of an upgrade
http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

[BX81]

Looks good to me. Am I the only one who isn't concerned? Can someone show me the screen shots or video where this game went to complete crap? Idk, there isn't a game delay, the game will be smoother. I don't see the down side here.

[JohnS1313]

I bet the PS4 could have handled it. Should have made it a PS4 exclusive.

[Soc5]

Thanks Xbone for continually reassuring me that deciding to upgrade a pc and get a ps4 was the right choice. Ill miss ya xbox 😢

[RedoSupreme]

and people said ps4and xbones power difference wouldnt matter all of xbones games have been downgraed hahahahaha

[GentlemenRUs]

Come over to the PS side...

We have free hugs :D

[GraveLord]

I am shocked!

/s

[Tigan]

Looks better

[cellfluid]

The only thing the cloud iz going to do for microlost is RAIN on its parade!!

[AbortMission]

Lol, clever.

[bligmerk]

Guys, Guys! It's not about the grapix, it's about the gameplay. Ryse for the XBone will keep being balanced until launch. Remember, gameplay over grapix. This is a leaked screen of the awesome gameplay that is coming from more balanced grapix:
http://www.arvidland.com/wo...

[xXtremeHDGamerXx]

lmao

[Shane Kim]

lol :P

[cell989]

nice one lol

[WickedLester]

Hey MS,

Bwahahahahaha!!!

[corvusmd]

Oh no, that's only twice as much as the 40,000 polygon count of Killzone characters now!!! That's it...pre-order cancelled!!! Honestly, with that many polygons...who cares...I'm sure it still looks great and if the have to sacrifice an insane amount of polygons to a slightly less insane amount of polygons to make it run smoother or fit more game onto a disc...who really cares?

[TalonJH]

Umm, I don't think the trade off on Ryse is as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be but your completely wrong comparing Killzone.

Your comparing Triangles and Polygons. Triangles fit inside polygons. We know that killzone at its highest poly count is 40,000 at the models best. You wouldn't compare that with Ryse's 85,000 triangles because 3 or more triangles would make up a polygon. To find how many polys Ryse models have you would have to find out how many sides the polys have then divide it by that number. That means you would divide 85,000 by at the smallest 3 and that woud give you the polys for Ryse. So doing the math:

85,000/3
=
28,333.33333

so Ryse models do have less polys then Killzone models.

That being said the Ryse have no LOD now while Killzone does meaning character far off will have higher poly count.

The trade off that Ryse made was to make the background action look better at the expense of overall detail. Not necessarily a "bad" choice depending on what your looking for.

[annus]

Lolwat, your maths make no sense at all. A polygon is a FACE, it has ONE side. A triangle, and a square, are BOTH polygons. If you really wanted to get technical, you can divide a square in half from corner to corner, to get a triangle. Which would mean that it's half the triangles mentioned (to get the total squares), but even then it's not valid because you don't even know how many of Killzones polys are triangles.

You console kids are damn weird when it comes to trying to talk up your console of choice.

[DevilishSix]

Annus

I take it you were not good in school. A polygon is a face? WTF is that. A polygon has sides and vertices. A simple polygon has two triangles and a 5 sided polygon has three triangles.

[annus]

@DevilishSix

I'd recommend you go back to school buddy. A polygon is something that contains three or more sides (spoiler alert: that's a triangle).

A face is a 3D term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"The faces usually consist of triangles, quadrilaterals or other simple convex polygons,"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[MadLad]

Watchdogs and Battlefield 4 not hitting the sixty frame/1080p standard. Microsoft cutting visuals across the board while not confirming, as far as I can tell, overall fps.
Are the limitations of console tech this generation speaking for itself yet? Or are console gamers still getting high-end PC performance for $500 or less?

[AbortMission]

Lmfao at the title

[OSIRUSSS]

XBONE : Deception Awaits!!!

[Hellbringer]

Star Citizen has 30 million polygons per frame and you can play it with 4K and 60fps. It's using Cryengine and it's a PC only game. Killzone Shadow Fall and Ryse looks like laxt gen compared to Star Citizen.

[Shane Kim]

It just sucks that you need a 2000 dollar PC rig to play it.

[MadLad]

You could run the game (medium to high) on a $800 or so PC. Ultra, like many games truly taking graphics to another level, will require tech that isn't actually available yet. At least in the form of a single card setup.

[Hellbringer]

Yeah, but the graphics isn't awefull like in Ryse or Killzone Shadow Fall.

A single Star Citizen spacship has more polygons than a whole scene from Killzone Shadow Fall.

[Bolts]

Star Citizen is running like shit right and now the game is so ambitious that it could take half a decade and another Kickstarter or two campaigns to actually fund the project to completion.

Long story short, a horrible example.

[solidworm]

So the power gap is confirmed ? Are we going to see these differences across the board.?

[MadSientist89]

look at all these ps4 bots in here.. its amazing

[reko]

umad?

[silvacrest]

MS should have put all their cards on the table from day one, no smoke and mirrors, just the truth

[wages of sin]

Four pages of angry European playstation fanboys.

Another day on N4G.

[Ch1d0r1]

Hell yeah, will eat the xbox fans alive every chance we get.

Correction American Playstation fanboys too.

[Thunderhawkxbox]

I don't call it eating . Everytime I think of Sony fanboys, I envision the movie Human Centipede with Kaz as the top link. I'm not going into anymore detail but any link underneath is a fanboy and they love it...

[SmokingMonkey]

Xpox one

You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round right round!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[PickAShoe]

It wasn't fun to begin with. People with logic won't pre order this crap.

[cell989]

man this game keeps getting worse and worse everytime I hear something about it, and launch day is getting closer and closer, thats a huge drop in polygon count, from what they first boasted about at e3 and Gamescon. Major Hyrb whats your take on this? should the xbone be more balanced?

[jakmckratos]

Dumb..honestly the visuals were all the game had really going for it.

[Lazuliv]

I'm still excited for this game. Can't wait to try it out.

[S2Killinit]

sooo smoke and mirror strategy officially announced? wonder how many people who saw the reveal will be seeing this article. 10%? not even

[Ch1d0r1]

Can't even produce exclusive games running @ 1080p. Can't wait till the PS4 is out. Sony is going to kick your asses like they did to the previous competition.

[2pacalypsenow]

But the power of the cloud?!!!!!

[Metfanant]

MisterX says the Xbone has a modified AMD R9 280x and has just under 4Tflop's of power...certainly these compromises shouldn't need to be made....

lol

[ziggurcat]

he also said that by the "cloud", MS meant it was a local cloud (whatever that means), and a bunch of other BS... the crap that site is spewing is nothing short of infuriatingly ignorant.

[thoract]

Xbots got xboned by MS yet again, but continue to defend MS no matter what.

[thexmanone]

the way ps4 bots defend sony

[Felonycarclub8]

There is a big difference , sony actually cares about its gamers and actually makes games that are targeted to all their audiences. It may not be a perfect company but I respect sony more than microsoft and at least they are showing with the PS4 that they learned from their mistakes unlike microsoft and are actually putting games first unlike microsoft in their console. PS4 it a gaming console first and everything else is a bonus unlike xbone which is the other way around

[Beastforlifenoob]

No company in the world gives a s*** about its customers as long as they get their money they dont care, sony dont know 99.9 percent of their fans and yet you all know about sony. Sony dont need stupid internet trolls to try and defend their products and they have never helped you for doing so. They want to sell you their products and thats it. Im really sorry if i've broken your heart wittle felonycaclub8.

[thexmanone]

@Beastforlifenoob

Well said Beastforlifenoob

[Foxgod]

Horrible sensation title.
The game isnt downgraded, they lowered the triangles so they could push other aspects of the game, namely the shadows, and no lod but full rendered environments.
The game willstill look damn fine, maybe even bettter then before depending on if you focus on the character or the whole screen.

If this was written by a fair journalist, the title would have been, character details decreased, shadows and environments improved.

[ziggurcat]

just keep on spinning there, buddy...

not sure how it's a horrible sensation title when it only reveals the truth, considering that xbone fanboys have been touting the triangle count of the main character for.... how long, now?

had this been about a PS4 title, you would have been dumping all over it, but since it's xbone-related, it's no big whoop? you could at least try a little bit at being a less hypocritical.

[jackdaddy]

Microsoft the clowns strike again lmao. Their flagship title is revealed to be running at 30fps lol and not even full hd. You know what xbone, your welcome to ya crap multi media box, game will be lapping up your traded in console and selling more ps4's in return.
I've never seen such a poor product being sold as something to last the next ten years lmfao. I'm a fan of Sony and proud. Bet you xbone fans feel shat on big time.

[assdan]

I just love how crytek kept gloating about this being the most technically impressive game of all time, and then every new piece of info makes it sound worse and worse.

[sashimi]

Worst decision by Crytek to enter this exclusive contract ever!

[urwifeminder]

Get a high end pc if you crave awesome graphics still going to get this game love the setting.

[Felonycarclub8]

Before this, xbones were like PS4 got nothing on ryse. Now what do they have????

[Drainage]

xboned

[marcofdeath]

This completely destroys the argument that Xbox one is weaker than PS4. If this game does not have a LOD that mean that every single character on screen is generating using 85,000 polygons per character, this is unprecedented. I know that most of you here don't understand what LOD does but LOD is a programmers trick to get the hardware to render more polygons. The Max killzone is in fact 80,000 triangles at LOD level 1, not only is that lasts than RYSE's 85,000 triangles but as this article just hold you guys they have removed that LOD method. So the hardware will now have to render 85,000 triangles per character anywhere on the screen at one time. So I went back to look at some video on screen at one time there can be up to 8+ different characters on screen times that by 85,000 triangles. Whereas and kill zone characters in the background will not contain anywhere near what the 85,000 triangles at lower LOD level.

[DevilishSix]

You have your numbers mixed up.

[hyperfire21]

Can you explain his numbers mixup.

[Reem]

85,000 triangles per character? Sorry bud, but it's only the main character and the game still runs at 900p with 30fps or even lower at times. If that's your show off game, then I feel really sorry for you :(

[marcofdeath]

Here is his statement,"He also talks about the Triangle "count per character" which seems to have been downgraded from the earlier reported 150k to 85k."So that is per character.LOD is used for main character because it's always at polygon level I highest count.

[mochachino]

Only MS would pick motion and voice controls over more power when setting the limits of hardware cost.

[Reem]

Man these poor bots really don't have anything to laugh this gen...I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, that's for sure lulz

[larrysdirtydrawss]

jokes on you-Its a downgrade but still far more polys than other exclusives, I mean seriously what game is pushing more polygons than Ryse??????? I guess they could easily cut that in half and do 1080p for the holy grail spec sheet??? btw why is it when news of an X1 dev game making concessions for the overall improvement of the game surfaces all the sonyfanboys talk shiii but news that Deep Down was clearly downgraded or sonys flagship launch game, GG can't reach 60 fps with KZ SF in a linear shooter single player portion and sometimes 60fps in multiplayer then its all good.

deep down looks really damn close to the feb20 showing.. also, kz has better shading,better lighting, much better textures and better texture resolution and better aa. and its not as linear as ryse. ryse got more polys,yay,the least important thing there is

[Reem]

Only more polys on one character, I doubt Ryse has more polys running on screen

[marcofdeath]

Here is his statement,"He also talks about the Triangle "count per character" which seems to have been downgraded from the earlier reported 150k to 85k."So that is per character.LOD is used for main character because it's always at polygon level I highest count. I know that this is hard for you get but it's per character.

[srd4484]

XB1 game downgrade - HAHA XB1 is horrible
PS4 game downgrade - I like that decision

[Einhert]

So many mis informed comments here that think poly count is the key to making everything look good.

85K is still a really high count and the texturing is what matters.

[Hellbringer]

The new build is a massive improvement

You can see it here http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

People here prefer to write than to think. This is sad :(
The picture comparison shows that it is looking a lot bether than bevore.

[ziggurcat]

it's not an improvement.

[QuantumWake]

Why not? I see weather, more draw distance, and what seems to look like more NPCs on screen. Crytek reallocated their resources to improve on other technical aspects of the game.

The only thing that is legitimately a downgrade is 1080p to 900p. And as you can see the game isn't as sharp as before. I for one think this game looks generic as hell, but I'm not going to sit here and watch people spew nonsense and throw around terms like "downgrade" when pictures like the one Hellbringer posted shows it benefited the overall look of the game.

[shysun]

the second pic is looks nothing like the earlier pics from E3! Looks like they pic the worst possible pic to compare it to.

[refocusedman]

I have to say that the bickering that happening on this new is really lame. Im not an MS fan but to argues that KZ is better or will be better than ryse is ridiculous. How abt everyone waits until each game or system comes out first before people start to comment its quality. As for all the people who cant wait to preorder ryse, just remember that its a new IP made by crytek ( not bungie, rockstar, naughty dog, or nintendo) Its probably best to hold off before purchasing and claiming that its going to be the greatest game ever.

[ziggurcat]

all i can say to the incessant trolls who went on, and on about the triangle count vs. KZ's polygon count (which is a completely different thing altogether) is:

http://nelson-haha.api-meal...

[TheOneEyedHound]

The Main character looks like a Dumb***

[ufo8mycat]

People are expecting too much with these new consoles.

You have to realise both the PS4,XBONE are using a tablet CPU and a low-end video card.

What on earth do you expect?

[UNIFIEDONE]

You sir are spitting FACTS good job. I'm a console guy myself,but I do agree.

[lawgone]

N4G is a great example of a reality distortion field. A bunch of you with one bias get together here and think everyone else thinks like you. It's pretty amusing really. Keep believing the XB1 will fail. Then when it doesn't, come up with some evil unfair MS scheme that must have allowed it to survive. Anything to keep your reality distortion field in full effect.

[voodoogts]

Yet Microsoft games get awards at expo while Kill zone doesn't receive any. Strange.

[SaulGoodman]

Thats why they're called M$. Got it?

[Daz]

Maybe they are just good? get that in your head maybe?

[MasterCornholio]

Titanfall isn't made by any of Microsoft's studios......

BTW how many Sony exclusives robbed Microsoft exclusives of game of the year awards? Last year an indie title called Journey got several GOTY awards. Imagine that an indie title beating all of Microsoft's games last year. Now that was funny.

Nexus 7 2013

[SaulGoodman]

Sorry for the bad news but you'd better get used to it.

[DoggyBiscuit]

Forget the Xbox Done and just get a ps4 the real next gen console

[lesrima88]

microshit masters of deception, pc master race wins again

[UNIFIEDONE]

Both next gen consoles are starting to show their both slight upgrades over existing consoles. FACT. What a disappointment.

[Adolph Fitler]

ahahahahahahha MS tries to steal our game ownership first, then when that failed they backtracked.....and now they are just taking HUGE chunks out of games, due to the limited power....Why can't they add the 65k (which is almost half) through TEH CLOUD....Suck crap to morons silly enough to still want MS's latest POS....As I've stated in many-a posts.....360 will be the last MS console in my household.... KZ:SF always looked like THE BEST looking game on either machine, but Ryse was certainly close, but now the characters polygons have been HALVED, that no longer stands.....I would hope the game will be 120FPS with a huge chunk of graphics, like that, taken out. F^cking laughably pathetic & more uneeded confirmation that PS4 is THE console to buy in November.........This plus the fact I get a PS4 with 2 controllers, an eyetoy3, & KZ:SF for the same price as a XBone with Fifa, just solidifies the fact that PS4 is such a better deal & the only choice for a gamer to go with there Wii-U. PSWii-4-U are my console choices....PSWii-4-U for the win.

[iceman600]

"This completely destroys the argument that Xbox one is weaker than PS4. If this game does not have a LOD that mean that every single character on screen is generating using 85,000 polygons per character, this is unprecedented. I know that most of you here don't understand what LOD does but LOD is a programmers trick to get the hardware to render more polygons. The Max killzone is in fact 80,000 triangles at LOD level 1, not only is that lasts than RYSE's 85,000 triangles but as this article just hold you guys they have removed that LOD method. So the hardware will now have to render 85,000 triangles per character anywhere on the screen at one time. So I went back to look at some video on screen at one time there can be up to 8+ different characters on screen times that by 85,000 triangles. Whereas and kill zone characters in the background will not contain anywhere near what the 85,000 triangles at lower LOD level."

......yawn very nice very nice, and you do know that whole paragraph was unnecessary right?