'Batman: Arkham Origins': HD vs 4K Resolution

8CN: Wondering what the big deal about 4K is? Well, take a look at what the caped crusader's eye from Batman: Arkham Origins looks like at each resolution.

[Muffins1223]

Theres a game that supports 4k already?I think ill wait 3 or 4 years before i buy a 4k tv or monitor,not enough support yet and to expensive.

[Deividas]

Exactly. Once it becomes the norm, prices will drop and then everyone will have one. I cant wait for games in 4K mmmm

[3-4-5]

PS5 will have 4k games.

[demonddel]

The next will do 4K games can't wait

[0ut1awed]

PS4 will actually probably have 4k games. It will be the same way the 360/PS3 have 1080p games.... arcade games.

Games like Rayman run in 1080p on the 360/ps3. I'm sure some similar style arcade games will run in 4k eventually on the PS4.

3D rendered legitimate PS4 games in 4k? Hell no.

[DrJones]

Screw 4K.

[DoggyBiscuit]

@3-4-5 too bad we got to wait 10 years for the ps5

[UltimateMaster]

@DoggyBiscuit
I didn't knew you had an extra 20 000$ for an 4K TV.

I was more thinking buying myself a new car or a mortgage on a new house...

[Kennytaur]

I saw a 4k tv in the mail today, advertised for USD 3337 here in Norway. Thats 20 000 NOK funnily enough. It's slowly getting reasonably priced.

[Magicite]

@0ut1awed
FF13 and FF13-2 are 1080p

[BG11579]

Apparently the new AMD processor can handle 4K.
They are showing it right now.

[xKugo]

Where? What are you watching?

[BG11579]

Check it here:
http://wccftech.com/amd-gpu...

You may thanks codelyoko:
http://n4g.com/news/1361864...

[hazeblaze]

So can the old ones (7xxx series).

[UltimateMaster]

Anyone here actually has a 4K TV?
They're really expensive for the time being.

[hazeblaze]

There won't be any support for it on consoles at all this gen... But yes, there is already plenty of support for it on pc's... which is why pc gaming will always be ahead.

Before the hatred starts... I've already pre-ordered two PS4's... one for me & one for my brother... But I will also be getting a new gaming laptop next year whenever Nvidia releases their Maxwell cards.

[JackStraw]

stop.

[kayoss]

actually the PS4 can support 4K movies will be supported but not games. if you have a 4k tv then you can benefit from it.

[Nekroo91]

if 4k doesent increase the price of making the game, it will get support. because we all know that pc gamers dont actually buy games, just compare the last year sales 30 million on pc vs hundreds of millions on consoles

[mattdillahunty]

@Nekroo91

PC gamers don't buy games? when people make such ignorant blanket statements like that, i almost instinctively think they're trolling. because you could not possibly be more wrong.

here's just one example, and it's from one of the biggest game publishers in the world:

"One might think this slump extends to everything PC-related, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Earlier this week, EA posted earnings for the first quarter of its 2014 fiscal year. (The quarter ended on June 30.) EA's numbers include a breakdown of revenue per gaming platform, and they show that the company's net revenue from PC gaming actually rose by 8% compared to the same quarter last year. Not only that, but at $298 million, EA's PC revenue was higher than its Xbox 360 revenue ($256 million) or its PlayStation 3 revenue ($238 million)."

source:
http://techreport.com/news/...

[Gorilla_Killa_X]

@mattdillahunty

Nekroo91 was trolling in another article saying that PC gaming software has only sold $20 billion lifetime sales.

[0ut1awed]

Yup, I have a 1440p monitor which is pretty much right in the middle between 1080p and 4k. It is AMAZING! I had a 1080p monitor in the same size before this and the difference is staggering. It looks so good that it almost seems surreal. I can only imagine 4k.... The monitor is a PLS panel so the colors are absolutely gorgeous. It also has much deeper blacks when compared to the standard TN LCD/LED panel.

If you're a pc gamer, I highly suggest you look into one of these. Mine is a 27" and I got it brand new with a three year squaretrade warranty for $330. It also overclocks to 96-120hz (lets it output 96-120fps effectively). They actually use the same exact panel as the Apple Cinema displays that sell for $1000. Funny thing is you are stuck with 60hz on the Apple model, along with only a thunderbolt connection for input.

It does have one major flaw though. These monitors are designed with your PC in mind only. The only input is DVI-D so there is no hdmi support. I've heard rumors about hdmi adapters but not sure if it's really possible or not. I plan on getting a PS4 so that kind of sucks. It will still work fine on my 1080p tv though since that's the highest games will probably run nativity.

[awi5951]

@Nekroo91

Your stupid pc digital games companies dont publish most of their numbers because retail threaten publishers not to put their games on shelves. Most of the games on steam aren't even reported because of this hostile nature from retail because they know they are a dying breed and they are holding back games with their petty threats.

[blackmagic]

@nekroo

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

[Deadpoolio]

Except for well ya know FACTS like; the PS4 and One80 both support 4K resolution videos/movies....They're just not supporting 4K games considering that 4K TVs are still insanely expensive.

[PurpHerbison]

Don't try to cover your ass with the classic " I've already pre-ordered two PS4's". You already lost N4G when you said, "which is why pc gaming will always be ahead." N4G doesn't tolerate that.

[InTheZoneAC]

I wouldn't even support a known crybaby company like nvidia...

consoles always have the best games....which is why console gaming will always be ahead.

[Amplitude]

yea Volition said most of the revenue from Saints IV came from PC. I dont feel like googling the article it was on here though a while back.

[DialgaMarine]

I'm 99% sure that PS4 will support 4K, especially seeing as Sony has the first 4K TV on the market.

[FPSFox]

PS4 will never support 4k gaming because it lacks the hardware. Even A GTX Titan which is a $1k card, struggles with 3 1080P screens which is still less than 4k. Also, a lot of the games on PS4 run at 30FPS on a single screen. It will support video though. They have said that.

[SoulSercher620]

Sony already said there's no 4K support for games

[pixelsword]

PS4 won't support it; it hardly matters since 1080p HDTV adaption isn't even 100% at this point.

[Deadpoolio]

You do know that the One80 also supports 4k video also right?

And I'm someone buying a PS4 and can't stand Microsoft nor do I trust their hardware after their stunning 55% failure rate for 4 years with the 360....Can't stand that they want to sell you play and charge kits or headset adapters.....

But I do hate misinformation on either side

[Pandamobile]

You guys realize that next-gen consoles are struggling as it is to maintain 1080p resolution in most games.

You're not going to see Killzone games running at 4K this generation.

Maybe some indie games, but AAA games with fancy graphical effects will be relegated to the 720-1080p range.

[Corpser]

Ps4 can't even do 1080p 60fps as standard, it's not going t be powerful enough for 4k

[DialgaMarine]

Lovin all the dislikes because I misunderstood an article I read several months ago. People get so asshurt over the smallest things.

[TekoIie]

When 4K TV's get a price drop it might be worthwhile ;)

[Lior]

Almost every game supports 4k native

[KONAAs]

4k is suported by allot of movies and games now its just not well known but there quite a few movies, specially all the recent sony picture ones

[kingduqc]

@game support 4k@

every mordern game support 4k, the thing is you need hardwar to back it up.

doable with 780 sli at the moment. In 2-3 years it's going to be good for single high end card usage.

[Ittoryu]

Not to mention that you wouldn't be able to see the difference they are showing you with your naked eye on say a 40 inch unless you basically sat half an inch from your tv screen. It's been researched already many times the human eye can't tell a difference at certain sizes between HD and 4k basically 4k is only noticeable at the movies on the giant screens like IMAX.

[0ut1awed]

Half an inch? That's a bit much. I can see pixelation on my 42" 1080p tv from the couch 6ft away...

As I said above I went from a 1080p 27" monitor to a 1440p (in between 1080p and 4k) monitor and the difference is crazy. I sit about 3 feet away from it. Anything that is displayed nativity in the 1440p resolution obviously looks tremendously better than anything the 1080p monitor could output.

It sounds to me like a similar argument about 30fps. People used to think (some still do) that anything over 30fps is useless. Almost every single person that makes this claim has never been on anything over 30fps.

I think you need to spend some time with a resolution higher than 1080p before you start making claims like that.

[Anonagrog]

We take the nominal visual acuity of a person with nominal eyesight at something like 2 minutes of arc, right? I think that's right...

Anyways, for a screen size of 40" (2160x3840), we're looking at a square pixel size of 0.0090789".

The ideal viewing distance to get a minimum of 2 arcmins between two adjacent pixels in a 40" 4K works out to be roughly around 16 inches.

So, exaggerated viewing figures aside, a 40" 4K screen is pretty unreasonable for pc gaming, let alone living room viewing.

I use a 27" 1440p (2560x1440) on the pc. For those 2 arcmins that, too, works out to around an ideal 16 inches (nearly exactly the same pixel size as a 40" 4K). Now, I have it about 2 feet from my face, and I certainly notice a loss in definition as I move further than that.

There really aren't many scenarios where a 4k would be beneficial at home in my eyes. (Pun win... Yay!)

[Ps4Console]

I'am not buying a 4K tv why would I .
The actual tv will be gone now in the next eight to ten years making way for a huge screen on your walls how they do it I have not clue but I know you can actually control the screen from your tablet & it's actually all in 8K not 4K there you go .

[kayoss]

The Oracle have spoken. LMAO

[Feralkitsune]

Most games on PC support it. Metro 2033 did and it's an older game. Just who actually has a PC that can play at 4K? That one guy with 3-4 titans?

[static5245]

Actually 4K TVs prices are going down fast. You can buy one now between 1000 and 2000.

[kayoss]

Yeah if you are planning to buy a 13inch tv.

[ZoyosJD]

@kyoss

There are $1000 50" 4k tvs. The biggest issues are that they have yet to confirm HDMI 2.0 support(possibly update-able), and are lacking quality in other aspects particularly how well they display content under 4k seeing as it is difficult to come by still.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

will this make real life look blurry?

[Golden_Mud]

I do think that the PS4 and the Xbox One already support 4K , but actually a lot of the games will be limited if they want to use that technology , you could expect games like Golf Tiger or something like that to run at this resolution , you could also expect Forza and Gran Turismo to run at this resolution

[kevnb]

i dont think you can actually, im expecting 1080p or slightly better. Gran Turismo on ps3 was 1280x1080, which is still pretty far from 1080p.

[UnholyLight]

I've already noticed 4k tv prices have dropped a LOT from where they used to be. At my local Future Shop they had prices listed online that go all the way up to **WAIT FOR IT**...$50000..YEAH FOR REAL...

The other day I just saw a 4k TV on display for about $4000 so it's on it's way down to affordable consumer prices. I'd say when they initially thought that it would take longer for the TVs to be adopted due to the high price but I guess there must be some people paying ridiculous prices just to be the first to own one. Probably the same people that have 10 Ferrari's in the garage haha.

I'd bet on seeing 4k becoming a reasonable price in about 1.5 to 2 more years.

[aquamala]

many recent PC games already support 4K (Metro Last Light, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, to name a few), sure you'll need an expensive setup today, but it's already a reality for people that can afford it.

http://www.pcper.com/review...

[kevnb]

pc can, but getting a 4k display is the issue. People are playing in 2k already, although its not mainstream just yet.

[jmc8888]

Well games have been supporting 5760x1080 for quite some time.

http://hothardware.com/News...

So yeah, there are already affordable 4ktv's. (sub $1000)

[xKugo]

Was actually expecting the difference to be bigger, but this isn't a 4k native game so whatever. I won't be buying a 4k monitor for my PC for at least 3 years so this doesn't affect me anyway. Game is looking good though..

[wishingW3L]

did you see the necessary crazy zooming to notice a difference? Now try to see a difference without the help of the the zoom-in... You'll not even notice it unless you're playing on some insanely huge screen that would not even fit in a normal house.

[hazeblaze]

Any pc gamer knows this is not true... You will be able to tell a significant difference on a 31" monitor for any game that natively supports 4k resolution... just like going from 1080p to 2560x1600 on a 31" monitor... the difference is huge.

[xKugo]

The zoom has nothing to do with it. A native 4k supported game will shit all over Full HD(1080p) every time. The reason this is so minimal is because this nothing but scaling, which is becoming a real nuisance to me ever since I became a PC gamer. I want to see some games that are built at native 2k or 4k, so as to really get a look at how they can look.

[Ittoryu]

@haze no its not I think I'll take the word of research scientist over the average PC gamer.

[Bolts]

In that case you must be so blind that you need a research scientist to notice the difference. In fact if you need to zoom in to tell the difference then every single 27 inch iMac monitor is useless because it's "only" 1440p.

The difference between a computer monitor that is 1440p and 1080p is huge, and the difference between a 4k TV and a 1080p TV is epic.

I know. I have a Sony 4K TV. Once you start looking at 4K content it's hard to go back to 1080p. We are talking about a scale that isn't just Bluray vs DVD but more like Bluray vs VHS.

[kevnb]

if its rendered at 4k, its native 4k. We arent talking upscaling.

[PositiveEmotions]

Theres a $700 4k tv i think thats a reasonable price

[MidnytRain]

Suspiciously reasonable...

[Giru017]

It only has 30hz refresh rate, your gameplay would tear until your eyes bleed.

[KazHiraiFTW]

Gaming is only good at 60fps. Get a 4k TV that supports HDMI 2.0

[bumnut]

Thats not a problem as my PC would only achieve about 5 fps at 4k!

[KazHiraiFTW]

bumnut

Me too. 4k gaming won't be viable for another couple years. Unless you have about $6000 to spend on hardware right now.

[buynit]

What Size? Must be tiny, like psvita tiny...

That's not a dig at vita i have one i just don't consider that a tv lol...

@Kay
Better make that 3.0!

[ZoyosJD]

39 in. but lacking in quality.

A decent 50" with HDMI 2.0 should be around $2000 by the end of the year.

I'd be getting one in mid-late 2014 depending on reviews and price.

[KonsoruMasuta]

I can sell you one for less than that. My shop is located out the back of my truck that is parked in your local dark alley.

Come alone.

[DestinyHeroDoomlord]

Seems legit.

[BattleTorn]

Never have I thought HD looked so pixelated.

[buynit]

Makes you wonder doesn't It? I mean i remember the first time i played cod 2 on the 360 and was like damn! That looks good... Then came ghost recon... Gears..uc2..tlou... Gta5.. Makes you wonder, damn i really didn't notice that many pixles lol..

[BattleTorn]

I remember thinking KOTOR had the greatest draw distance ever!

[mohuzas]

i remember when i thought N64 games had impossibly amazing graphics! XD

[ufo8mycat]

The only reason it's pixelated like that is because the picture is zoomed in.

I can see people falling for this gimmick.

[buynit]

The word gimmick should be revoked from everyone in this place. A lot of you like to throw that word around and not even know its true meaning.

[BattleTorn]

So accurately protraying the subjects to highlight their differences is a gimmick?

O.o

[SonyPS360]

To be fair, it is zoomed in a heck of a lot. That being said, a higher resolution is a higher resolution.

[Axonometri]

I would rather the development costs and time go into bringing current HD to it's pinnacle. Cinematic video recorded in HD is quite impressive and beautiful on current HD displays. It takes one heaping hell of a lot of power to just take current tech from HD to 4K but the end result is not a whole lot different unless your face is in the screen.

I think the technical output could bring us much more than higher density pixels at this point.

[SonyPS360]

Resolution isn't so much about game development as it is about how the game will be displayed, and on what hardware.

[someoneagain]

I don't understand what you mean by bringing HD to a pinnacle. The graphical fidelity of "current HD" games are already limited by the renderable resolution of the PS3 and 360. Look at these screenshots of detail that goes unappreciated at lower resolution, particularly Batman's suit.

1280x720 (what the PS3/360 render Arkham City and Asylum at)
http://i2.minus.com/i4Vdf7x...

1920x1080
http://i5.minus.com/ib1P2V6...

3600x2025
http://i2.minus.com/iSRMOl0...

[Campy da Camper]

I'd settle for fallout 4 in 1080p 60fps for Xmas.

[SonyPS360]

What's with this new obsession everyone has with 60fps?

We've had 60fps games on consoles for decades.

Why not 1080p, even more detailed models and textures, and 30-40fps?

[_QQ_]

60 FPS is alot more important. when it comes to specs Performance>visuals.

[ufo8mycat]

Funny I don't play my games zoomed in like that, so won't matter to me.

Good for people who play games zoomed in like that...

LOL

Sadly there are enough people out there who would fall for gimmicks like this.

[Coach_McGuirk]

see it in person and it'll change your mind

[SonyPS360]

Actually you'll just get much sharper images regardless of how "zoomed in" you are.

Did you say the same thing about high definition when you were still playing in standard?

Didn't think so.

[BattleTorn]

Geez you sure miss the point of the comparison.

No one is saying HD is trash or looks terrible - in fact the opposite.

The comparison is purposefully using HD - as a format we think looks amazing - to demonstrate how much better 4K could be.

If HD is really good, and when zoomed in HD looks pixelated compared to 4K - try to imagine how amazing that native-4k imagine may look.

[If HD = :) / and 4K>HD / then 4K = :D -- that that hard?)

Your logic is like saying "High speed internet is pointless, cause I already love my regular internet"

[hesido]

When do you stop zooming? You can zoom to 4K too. The eye sees 1/60th of a degree. Resolution is view distance/view size dependent to make a difference.

The smallest length color information can be carried is 200nm. Are you going to make your pixels 200nm? When are you going to stop?

We need better rendering techniques, not more pixels. I'd rather have insane amount of shaders than insane amount of pixels, all that extra power going to add just more pixels is a waste, IMHO.

[mochachino]

And for the 1% of people with 4K screens...

Can't wait for them to drop in price.

[kingPoS]

All those crisp 4K visuals won't be much good if dizziness is achieved through 30fps gameplay. (think movie judder) The more resolution you pump in, the more apparent it becomes @ 30fps.

Until 4K displays can "affordably" run at at least 60hertz 30fps gameplay will have to do for now.

When does HDMI 2.0 debut?
Display port can do 4K 60hz, though in many cases you might need more than one cable if your hardware can't handle.

[loltonytony]

Reason it zoomed in, cuz most of use don't have 4K monitor/TV to tell them apart from another. (it like watching 1080P on 480P)

But in the end its still a big jump from 1080P.

[TheObserver]

Eh, I think it is diminishing returns past 1080P. I have a ridiculously beastly new $2000 computer and a really high resolution 120Hz Monitor past 1080P, so I know. Can you tell the difference side by side? Yes, absolutely. Not worth the frame rates sacrifice IMO. 1080P at 60FPS or more good enough. If you don't have a monitor with 60Hz or higher, don't bother going beyond 60FPS.

In the end, I'm glad that the tech industry is always advancing.

[cunnilumpkin]

ps4 cannot even do 1080p in a game like bf4 which is the bf3 engine

4k is NEVER HAPPENING on ps4 in anything that isn't a movie

pc already does 4k and 3k and 2k

pc is always a gen ahead of consoles, its just that this gen it was a gen ahead 1 year before they even launched

[SonyPS360]

Same engine =/= same graphics.

[Golden_Mud]

Actually it can , also the Xbox One , the new build game of the shown at TGS 13 was actually running on a PS4 and Xbox One but most of the Xbox One footage never was on the internet but people said that both the PS4 version and the
Xbox One ran at 60 FPS and 1080p resolution

[southernbanana]

I have read a few expert reviews of 4k TVs and every one of them say current 4k tvs do not match current plasmas. The only benefit of 4k resolution would be if you sat closer (below 9 ft) to the screen.

[southernbanana]

I can understand the disagrees if these were people who sat less than 6 to 9 feet from their screen. Unfortunately I have to agree with the experts when they say there is no discernible difference in the resolution the human eye can see from the average viewing distance of 6 to 9 feet. If you sit closer than that, more power to you. Plasma still offers better contrast ratios and refresh rates than any 4k TV on the market. 4K TV is nothing more than good old marketing for the most part. At least in respect to if it is something you really need. Sure if you sit closer than the average distance the huge resolution difference is extremely beneficial. Also, never compare sets which are on the show floor without doing prior research. Sets sold at the store are almost never configured properly.

[hesido]

Most people get in real close to demo displays which is also not going to happen with typical use. It artificially inflates the value of such resolutions.

[jmc8888]

They're talking about black levels and overall contrast.

[Buuhan1]

I was in the camp that didn't care about 4K, hell 1080p is still not the full norm yet.

But then I walked into my local Electronic Express the other day looking at computers and they had a 4K TV on display and... my god. It's something I can't explain, you literally have to see it. It was only slideshows of cityscapes and stuff as there's no actual 4K content right now, but it was fricken goregous! It was like I was looking out a window.

It'll probably be another 10 years or something before we get full 4K supported games but when we do... it's stuff like this that makes me realize whenever I think to myself "I can't be impressed anymore." how dead wrong I actually am.

[shaun mcwayne]

I know what your saying, Ive been saying the same to my mates, you will remember the first time you see a 4k on display as its like looking out the window.

[GhostTurtle]

Its funny, I dont remember HD looking like that when they was comparing SD/HD games 7-8 years ago.

[jiggyteddy]

I thought it was the tv that up rez the source video to 4k? At least that's what the Sony sales rep told me at the store when I inquired about the product.

[svoulis]

I can see the advantage of 4K gaming on PC mainly because of how close you sit to your actual monitor in comparison to a TV. With that being said, I think 4K movies etc will be almost pointless on a TV taking into account that you would need something bigger then 60+ inch tv to notice the actual resolution difference.

Notice how incredibly zoomed in the comparison picture it. I don't think anyone watching a movie or TV show will be that close to their TV.

I just hope prices of 4K monitors go down.

[CyrusLemont]

Awesome! I have a 2K monitor and a GTX 690 and Batman Arkham City looks incredible and runs pretty smooth. Hopefully this will have better Sli support and Physx coding. It was poorly optimised in AC. So excited, been wanting to return to Gotham! For anyone interested in 1440p monitors, definitely go for Yamakasi through Greensum on eBay! You'll hate looking at 1080p after you've used one. They're around $500 or less (Aud) as well.

Still stoked for a PS4 though, fun times ahead with their exclusives as well as some multiplats as they are just more enjoyable with a controller (If it's not supported on PC).

[CyrusLemont]

Inb4 someone says 1440p on a 27" is pointless. Go back and play on a 20 inch 640x480 monitor then f****t. Why are there people who still don't believe images are sharper and more realistic with a higher resolution and pixel density. It reminds me of people who say your eye can't perceive anything beyond 60fps, in fact they're probably the same people.

F***.

[0ut1awed]

Exactly. The difference between 1080p and 1440p is so blatantly obvious. You know the people calming it makes no difference have never actually seen it.

I freaking love my 1440p monitor and I have it overclocked to 96hz too!!

The Yamakasi that you suggested is still a great monitor but there are a lot better options out there now.

I would highly suggest the Qnix or X-Star. They are both the exact same model and are pretty much THE go to model for 1440p currently. They use the Samsung PLS panel (same in $1k Apple Cinema display). They also overclock to at least 96hz and up to 120hz+ (aka 96-120fps effectively).

Minne cost $330 (USD) with a three year squaretrade warranty :)

I too am stoked about my PS4. It's a shame these monitors only take DVI-D inputs though. The PS4 will probably only output 1080p in games so my 1080p TV will still be fine for a while.

[CyrusLemont]

Exactly! This guy at a shop tried to rip my dad off by convincing him to purchase a 32" 720p monitor instead of a 1080p (which was the same price) because the difference was supposedly "negligible". Ever since, I hold a grudge against these type of people haha.

Ah I haven't heard of the Qnix or X-Star before! They must be newer cause I haven't done a lot of hardware research since I got my rig together. Yeah, I think the Q270 Yamakasi used the same panels at first (Which could also be clocked to 120HZ), but the company started making the Q271 which is a cheaper version and the one I ended up getting. It still looks brilliant to me though, but you can't overclock the Q271s unfortunately, unless you pay $600+ to get the special models. It could totally be different now though cause I haven't checked it out.

$330 is sick! I think mine ended up coming around $450 (Aud) cause I paid like $50 extra to make sure it was pixel perfect. Didn't want to risk it haha.

The one thing I made sure about when getting my monitor was that it had a HDMI input! You can actually get them on the monitors, they're just a little harder to find. But yeah, the PS4 and monitor will most likely upscale it and probably look a little blurry so a 1080p TV is probably a better choice.

I'm so keen for the next gen Batman that Kevin Conroy accidentally revealed at some convention :D

[0ut1awed]

If you're curious, this is everything you need to know about the qnix/xstars if you ever want to look into adding more or replacing your current one....

http://www.overclock.net/t/...

It's freaking ridiculous how good of a price they are with the picture and overclockability. The auction for mine was like $290 (without $40 warranty added) for a monitor with no more than 3 dead pixels allowed (out of 3.3 million). As you will see in the thread 85+% get no dead pixels anyways and I was one of those.

[EXVirtual]

I'm gonna wait for a while (when PS5 comes out) to buy a 4k TV. I'll stash my 1080p screen in my living room and get a reasonably sized 4K tv in my room and hook up my PS4 and PS5 to it. Lol

[Holeran]

Good thing 4k gaming is coming soon because I make it a habit to sit 8 inches away from my tv screen.

[tubers]

Wonder if 4K is worth it for someone who can't see pixels on a 23" 1080p display at less than 4 feet.

[xxthe1andonlyxx1]

My Sony 4k tv upscale anything automatic.And that’s on my ps3.

[bumnut]

Thats not the same, the game has to be rendered at 4K.

[iliimaster]

imagine god of war in 4k !

[KontryBoy706]

there's no point in 4K right now as far as HDTVs are concerned. the TVs will be ridiculously priced. In 3 years though, then it'll be time to buy the superior 4K tv

[Jubez187]

Phew, luckily I am the one human being on this earth that is part cyborg and has eyes that can zoom in that much to see the difference between HD and 4k. I am truly blessed to know the true power of 4k while all you humans sit there and see no difference.

[someoneagain]

Decide for yourself. Here's 3600x2025 compared to 1920x1080 (stretched) in Batman: Arkham City with max settings without anti-aliasing and PhysX).

http://i5.minus.com/ib1P2V6...
http://i2.minus.com/iSRMOl0...

[curtis92]

do we REALLY need 4k? I'm genuinely asking. I get tablets and phones... they're close to our face. But a TV is typically 5-15 feet from us. I SERIOUSLY doubt you'd be able to tell until (much like this comparison shot suggests) your face is literally up against the screen. Is it worth it?