Ryse: Son of Rome runs at Native 900p, but Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p clarifies Microsoft

Aaron Greenberg, Chief of Staff for Devices and Studios Group at Microsoft has confirmed that Ryse: Son of Rome runs at native 900p but Xbox One upscales the game to 1080p.

[lying_cake]

1600X900? that's specific

[Muerte2494]

That has to sting a little. But the game looks great none the less. Given the hardware limitations at the moment, Crytek still managed to impress. Microsoft needs to get better optimized drivers for the EsRAM. It's still a good looking game though.

@lying_cake,

It's far above 720p output and only slightly below 1080p. Developers haven't really gotten a chance to wrap their heads around getting the most out of EsRAM, so unfortunately this is what we can expect ATM.

[lying_cake]

i agree, this is a launch game i will be picking up... but it just seems odd why that resolution and not 720

[tuglu_pati]

Oh my... this thread is going to go places.

[ErcsYou]

MS needs to get their sh!t together and stop posting false information http://n4g.com/news/1354297...
Very unprofessional.

[tuglu_pati]

@ ErcsYou

What are u complaining about. Didn't they just tell you how it is.

[ErcsYou]

@tuglu_pati

They sure did, but what are they going to say two days from now? Makes you wonder if there is any communication at MS. If there was they would have had their facts straight before posting BS.

[Skips]

So is Forza 5 the only exclusive on Xbone that runs in 1080p right now? But Turn 10 getting it to run in 1080p and 60fps shouldn't be hard with baked lighting and static environments/weather IMO.

@ErcsYou

"They sure did, but what are they going to say two days from now? Makes you wonder if there is any communication at MS."

Agreed, wouldn't be surprised if we here the same with Halo 5 later down the line. : /

Like Killer Instinct, a basic fighter only running in 720p, after supposedly running in "1080p/6fps", and now this...

EDIT: Not that anyone believed it... I guess this confirms MS has no such "secret sauce" left to reveal that's supposedly hidden in their console. Something not even DEVELOPERS working on EXCLUSIVES know about. lol

I remember someone saying "wait for the end of the month", forgot who it was though... Most people spouting such nonsense, just sorta blended into one giant blob.

[badz149]

900p?? after "confirming" 1080p a couple days back? (link provided by ErcsYou) LOL

not that 900p is bad but do they HAD to lie back then? there will be blood int hhis comment section for sure.

***grab popcorn***

[thechosenone]

And after all the BS they've been talking these last few weeks about how the Xbone and PS4 are neck and neck performance wise and then we get this new little nugget of info...man I hope Gabe/Steam crush the Xbone next gen and finally kick MS out the console business.

|Performance-wise, the target is 30fps, with v-sync engaged

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[ShwankyShpanky]

"It's far above 720p output and only slightly below 1080p."

I didn't know "far" and "slightly" were synonyms.

900-720=180
1080-900=180

http://i.qkme.me/3pf0wi.jpg

[aCasualGamer]

I still think it's crazy that we're starting a new generation and still.. we don't have 1080p native as standard. I'm kind of confused... In what way is this new gen revolutionary if the games can't even run at 1080p native? Aren't these consoles basically Xbox 360 1.5 and PS3 1.5?

I don't know for sure the res PS4 games will run at natively. But it's still quite the turnoff if Microsoft has to clarify and tell us they only upscale the games to 1080p.

[NukaCola]

This was a 360 title. Thought it would of been a cake walk to run I on the Xbone.

[FamilyGuy]

LOL, I love seeing these things right before they blow up. They're lucky GTA 5 just came out so this won't get as much attention.

It's not even like 900p is so bad, it's just after all the bragging this whole time and then Aarons 1080p twitter post just 2 freakin days ago. And don't go giving him credit for clearing it up, he had to. If he didn't digital foundry would have as soon as they got the game.

It really is best to just keep quiet.

@badz149

HOLY CRAP!! I didn't even think about that. 180s everywhere! It's almost scary O.O

Aaron just pulled a 180 on his twitter post
the resolution has exactly 180 less vertical lines than what he claimed.

The 3rd console curse is REAL!!!
wait a minute... 3rd console... 3... 3 times the desired 60 frames per second = 180!!!

*In Scooby Doo voice*
I'm g-g-g-gettting outta here!

[badz149]

@ShwankyShpanky

OMG...the 180 is strong with this ONE! LOLOLOLOL

[grassyknoll]

900p is just over 2/3's of 1080p. That's quite significant.

[BitbyDeath]

This is why Sony haven't guaranteed 1080P/60FPS for their games. Wait til it hits and then confirm, not before.

[devwan]

@Muerte2494 "It's far above 720p output and only slightly below 1080p."

Hey with that kind of statement you're potentially a leading candidate for a senior position on the xbox one PR team.

It's 180 either way...

1080 - 180 = 900
720 + 180 = 900

180... hmm, now why does that number ring a bell...

@grassyknoll "900p is just over 2/3's of 1080p. That's quite significant."

Well it's 5/6ths, it's directly between 2/3rds and the full 1080. 720P is 2/3rds of 1080P.

[mikeslemonade]

Ryse is gonna be a 7.5 meta score game. Move on..

[devwan]

It's interesting to see what the difference is here, between 1080P and 900P and those resolutions at 60fps and 30fps. Some people suggested it's not really that much, but when you add up the amount of pixels being pushed:

1600x900 = 1,440,000 (just under 1.5m pixels)

1920x1080 = 2,073,600 (just over 2m pixels)

Ryse is doing only 3/4 the work the previous claim stated in terms of pure resolution.

When you factor in 900P @ 30fps and 1080P @60fps (although I'm not sure Ryse was ever stated to be 60frames), things look much worse:

1600x900x30 = just over 43m pixels per frame

1920x1080x60 = just over 124m pixels per frame

Every frame, 1600x900x30 is only doing about 1/3rd the work of 1920x1080x60.

"only 180 pixels difference " doesn't begin to tell the story.

[black0o]

Q: since most of the xbone exclusive are doing less then 1080p, what about the malti-plat titles ??

I kinda see why MS didn't show any demos so FaR ... a lot of ppl will get angry on 23rd of Nov

[JimmyLmao]

@Muerte2494

"It's far above 720p output and only slightly below 1080p."

last time i checked,

1080 - 900 = 180
900 - 720 = 180

And then you can add on the fact that it's framerate isn't even locked at 30fps

[pyramidshead]

Oh boy. After confirming native 1080p. Gotta hope Forza is 1080p native :x.

Wheres frigy? What happened to 2K and 4K gaming aye? :P. Maybe that's a lie too?

[jay2]

Erm, No, they've had Dev-kits for 3 years.

[FATAL1TY]

Ryse = 900p + 20 FPS

[Angeljuice]

" It's far above 720p output and only slightly below 1080p."

Lol, it is EXACTLY half way between the two!

720+180=900
900+180=1080

Rose tinted spectacles?

Edit: Sorry JimmyLmao, I jumped on that without reading your reply.

[NarooN]

They need to wrap their heads around the EsRAM? No, what needs to happen is people need to stop thinking that the EsRAM is some magical thing that will boost graphics performance tenfold or something.

Ryse started out as a 360 game, has been in development longer than most other X1 titles, yet they couldn't even get it at 1080p native, even though MS themselves "confirmed" it was 1080p native not too long ago. Come on, they've been lying about a lot of things (as they always do) lately. Can't trust anything they say anymore.

1600x900 isn't bad, but why did they lie and say it was 1080p not too long ago? Smoke and mirrors.

[mikeslemonade]

I think it's unacceptable to have the majority of the games under 1080p this generation. This generation that should be the standard. Arcade games and innovative centric games can be under 1080p but if you are a blockbuster or flagship title you better be 1080p.

[dantesparda]

@ Muerte

1080p is around 30% higher resolution than 900p, so its not that "slight"

And next up is Titanfall, which a guarantee 60fps yet (or even developed by Respawn)
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... (read the last 2 questions)

Edit: I see Dewvan beat me to it, well said man

[dantesparda]

Hey Devwan

I just saw your second post and I like where you took it, cuz its technically true, however you did make a mistake, its not "per frame" but per second"

1600x900x30 = just over 43m pixels per sec

1920x1080x60 = just over 124m pixels per sec

Either way, its doing a hell of lot more processing

oops typo on my previous comment, I mean to say
that Titanfall ISNT a guarantee 60fps yet

[JokesOnYou]

Well they need to be accurate the first time they speak specifically about things like this....so really its just a stupid mistake on Aaron Greenburgs part. That said this won't take anything away from my enthusiasm for this game, those graphics look superb in action as we've all seen, and everyone with hands on have noted.

[ProjectVulcan]

I mooted this exact scenario ages ago. I said that devs on Xbox one are probably going to target 1600 X 900 and pixels will be stolen. It's a launch game but expect to see more games like this.

I predicted PS4 would have 1080p versions of games while Xbox one settled for 1600 X 900 more often than not on multi and exclusives just because it's hardware is much more suited to lesser resolutions.

[SonyPS360]

"ouch"?

It's still better than native 720p.

[SilentNegotiator]

"So is Forza 5 the only exclusive on Xbone that runs in 1080p right now?"

We had racing games LAST gen that were almost 1080p60fps. If Forza is the only game at 1080p on Xbox, I'm not impressed.

[shadow2797]

"720+180=900
900+180=1080 "

I can't believe this was repeated as many times as it was. It's math. It's extremely simple to check.

1280x720 = 921,600 pixels
1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

900p - 720p = 518,400 pixels
1080p - 900p = 633,600 pixels

So 900p is actually 115,200 pixels closer to 720p than it is to 1080p. Whether or not that's significant to you or not is up to you, but it's definitely not exactly in between.

I realize I'm just adding fuel to this fire, but I can't stand by and let that silly 180 lie be repeated when the math is so easy.

Here's an image I whipped up that shows the difference:
http://s24.postimg.org/ip5h...

[mewhy32]

Well now come on. This isn't any surprise. Developers have already been quoted stating that code running at 30fps 1920X1080p on the PS4 would only run 20fps 1600X900p on the bone. For the record that's 10fps less at a 1/3 resolution reduction. Thats from a developer. you know, people that make games?

[u got owned]

for all of you talking smack... Did you now The Order is said to be running at 800p.

[Haules]

LOL! You call that next gen? lol
Ryse is 1600x900 and runs at 23-25fps so much for "next gen"

Xboone = FAIL!

[Tk731]

@ShwankyShpanky

That isn't how it works.
720p is 1280 * 720 = 921,600 pixels
900p is 1600 * 900 = 1,440,000 pixels
1080p is 1920 * 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

[nveenio]

@Muerte2494

You said: "It's far above 720p output and only slightly below 1080p."

I want to show you something real quick. Ready?

900-720=180
1080-900=180

It's smack dab in the middle on the horizontal lines. Try not to spin numbers. Numbers don't lie.

EDIT: I see this is already being said over and over.

@shadow2797

You don't factor in the screen width when comparing resolution, because that is ratio dependent. For instance, a game running 1600x900 will look just as good on screen as a game running 1200x900. It's the height in pixels that delivers the better image.

[ramiuk1]

why or how can your comment get disagrees?
full of fekwits this site.

[devwan]

@dantesparda Yeah, sorry. I made typos/brain farts - I wrote "frame" instead of "second" a whole three times, lol, but it was too late to edit by the time I noticed. I think people understood what I was getting at and spotted the typos as you did. Oh well :)

@shadow2797 "I can't believe this was repeated as many times as it was. It's math. It's extremely simple to check.

1280x720 = 921,600 pixels
1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels"

Good point well made, 1600x900 is closer to 1280x720 than 1920x1080 in terms of pixel array, people were obviously comparing vertical resolution only and to be fair to them that's all we know 100% for sure. Assuming Greenberg means 1600x900 when he says 900P is sensible as that's the same aspect ratio, but given his track record now I don't think we should even assume 1600 horizontal pixels until he explicitly says so (or better still, someone who actually knows his stuff does so).

[devwan]

@u got owned
"for all of you talking smack... Did you now The Order is said to be running at 800p"

It might be using 800 pixels vertically, but it isn't rendering the frame at 800 and stretching to 1080 in a bid to cheat, it's an artistic choice - read any interview with the devs, they'll use the word "filmic" or "cinematic" more than ms throwing around TV TV TV at a console launch.

The Order 1886 is displaying a 1080P screen and using only the 800 central pixels with a black border of 140 pixels above and below in order to achieve an effective screen ratio of 2.40:1 and give it a cinematic feel. If that's something you don't like, go complain about it in a relevant topic instead of damage controlling and trolling this one with your half-baked tales of woe.

[Skips]

@u got owned

"Did you now The Order is said to be running at 800p."

The Order doesn't even have a release date yet, and is nowhere CLOSE to being finished, or even optimized. lol

Nice try though. :D

EDIT: btw

Ready At Dawn = Studio who's only had experience with handhelds until now.
Cyrtek = Studio that's had MUCH experience on PC and focuses on nothing but visuals.

[esemce]

It's a bit sad to think that we will have these consoles for 5-8 years and they cannot give us exclusives that easily run at 1080p@60fps.

[imt558]

Drivers can't help!!! eSRAM is a pain in the ass in XO. Read this article :

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Joe913]

Remember after the announcement of Xbone when they told us about the DRM thing didn’t someone I believe a dev say that because the Xbox need internet connection that when not playing online the games would be a lower resolution but when on the internet the cloud is supposed to bump your game to 1080p 60fps I wonder if this anything to do with that.

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[schubacca]

Haterz gonna hate.

1) The game is pretty but the gameplay is sh1t.

2) The game is only 900p

If the game was slated before, then why does this matter at all considering that it is a launch title?

[mewhy32]

Well upscaling is alright i guess. but I'd much prefer that my games be in native 1080p (PS4). That was there's no blur, no upscale artifacting, etc. But hey if all the power you can muster will only get you 1600X900 then ...... well.....

[Gaming101]

lol I'm not sure if you can do math, but 900 is exactly in between 720 and 1080. Literally, add or subtract 180. So much for objectivity!

[solidjun5]

@u got owned

"for all of you talking smack... Did you now The Order is said to be running at 800p."

The game isn't even close to being done. Sounds like you're doing damage control for Microsoft. I wonder if they paid you.

[ShinMaster]

900p @ 24fps?
http://youtu.be/VzVlVRe9QYI...

It's no biggie for those who weren't overhyping "Codename Kingdoms", the Kinect game for 360... I mean "Ryse".

[dantesparda]

I here ya, Devwan, that happens to me all the time

And @ Vulcan, i remember you saying that

And i dont think Ryse looks bad 9definitely the best looking game on X1), but damn are the animations stiff and choppy, GOW/GOW:A, definitely has better animation than that, and graphically GOW/GOW:A definitely give it a good run for its money

[InactiveUser]

@inveni0
"You don't factor in the screen width when comparing resolution, because that is ratio dependent. For instance, a game running 1600x900 will look just as good on screen as a game running 1200x900. It's the height in pixels that delivers the better image."

So you're telling me a game running 1x900 is going to look great and not just be a line?

One dimension may be 78% more important visually (16/9), but that doesn't mean the other makes no difference.

In your example, 1600 would look 1/3rd better than 1200 (you'd see more to the sides).

Your example is the same as saying 1600x900 is no better than 1600x675. Both are false (it's basically your example turned 90*).

[Enemy]

@ u got owned: Wow, you should seriously be banned for spreading false information about The Order. This is actually the first time that I've seen an Xbox fanboy lie about the resolution of a game to deceive readers, which says a lot about you, really.

Nothing is known about the The Order's resolution, or even gameplay. No one but Ready At Dawn has seen it in motion, so the fact that you're spreading BS without source shows how pathetically bitter you are that Ryse, as expected, is going to fail.

[christocolus]

i just want the damn game out already...900, 720, 1080 who cares..ms should just kep investing in getting more great devs to the platform,new ips and creating more studios in addition to those already announced..

[FamilyGuy]

Wow, the news just keeps on rolling in.

Isn't this the same resolution in that "unoptimized" scenario where devs claimed the PS4 to have a 50% more power/speed advantage?

Seems rather coincidental

*doesn't believe in coincidences*

And after all that boasting about Ryse being 1080p.
Smh
I've never seen two competing companies where one just kept stumbling over itself so bad. Still waiting for someone to draw up a gif with a foot in penellos mouth.

[FordGTGuy]

That same scenario says unoptimized PS4 games were running at 1080p@30fps but all PS4 games are running at 30 fps does that mean all of them are unoptimized?

Also how does that explain Forza Motorsport 5 running at 1080p@60fps?

[svoulis]

@fordGTguy

Look at any off-screen gameplay. The amount of post-processings is what is making the game run @ 60FPS.

Also no real-time lighting, no weather effects and basically a static skybox.

It will look and play good but the limitations are clearly noticeable.

Even the Forza 5 devs said expect jaggies on the back of some cars cause its impossible to hide.

[M-M]

@FordGTGuy,

From the tweet.

"@deaconblade Update from team, Forza 5 is native @1080p, Ryse is native @900p, but >>>Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p<<< & they look amazing"

They said Forza is native 1080p, even though all games are upscaled to 1080p? What? Kind of like how they said Ryse was native 1080p a few days ago.

[FamilyGuy]

That's not even what I was saying.

It's more like it gives validation to that claim. It's the exact same number.

Also shows that the devs for Ryse aren't putting much effort into optimizing it for a better resolution. They figured 900p is "good enough". I don't really blame them either, given all the glitches and frame-rate issues they have to clean up before launch.

Forza devs obviously set 1080p as their target/goal and made whatever sacrifices they had to in order to achieve that goal. There's a pretty big difference between the special effects in all other next gen racers and Forza. I'm not wasting my time getting into that debate again though.

[monkeyDzoro]

@FordGTGuy
People talk about those 60fps on Forza5, like it has reached the moon.
Listen, GT6 on PS3 actually runs at 720p/60fps on a 7-year old hardware. With all the same post-processings in that game.
No denial, it's very good to see Forza5 running at 1080p/60fps BUT according to what devs have put in that game (which is near to nothing except that Drivatar), it's just NORMAL.

[shoddy]

I heard that teh clowdz can increase the resolution 2160p when they update for 4k tv.
joke

[black0o]

+up
was thinking the same thing .. man now if Watch dogs or AC4 happened to run at 1080p on ps4 and 900p on the x1 u'll see some fanboys spinning it as well

the launch week gonna be very interstIng

[sync90]

Your, in a scooby doo voice 'im outta here' cracked me up!

[husomc]

very soon MS will try to make 900p the industry standard for gaming

[Irishguy95]

That's because it's a very common resolution...

[badz149]

not THAT common. 1366X736 is far more common as many HD ready tvs were on that resolution. there are no native 1600X900 tv out there and even pc monitors with that resolution is pretty rare. laptops maybe but there are more 1600X1050 monitors out there than 900.

it's common resolution for recent pc games but tvs are not designed to run at that resolution and will show "input unsupported".

[SilentNegotiator]

Not in TVs...

[assdan]

lol, they're talking about how this game will have the best visuals ever when it can't even pull of 1080p. And to anyone that things upscaling means anything, it doesn't. Games have been doing that forever.

[T2]

cant they just release it on xbox 360 ? i mean it started there and I may even play it on 360
...release it on 360 and I may give it a try... it's not coming for 360 ,and I just missed that news , is it??

[tordavis]

No one ever said that it runs 1080p native, they said it runs at 1080p. When you load up the game on your 1080p tv, it will be running in 1080p. who cares what the native resolution is when the final is 1080p? Oo

[Kleptic]

I've always enjoyed this logic...

The modern HDTV standard is 1920 x 1080 resolution, with a refresh rate of 60hz, or multiples of that...

this means...if an image is taking up the full screen...guess what...its displayed at 1920 x 1080 resolution...

on most TV's, you can change the settings to display sources at their native resolution...with those settings, if its not full 1920 x 1080 resolution, the image will NOT take up the entire screen...

but its cool, you're absolutely right...upscaling is every bit as good as something being natively processed at 1920 x 1080...this is why there is absolutely no visible difference between a Blu Ray movie and a tired ass DVD...upscaling abilities are able to make up pixels out of thin air to the point that no one can tell the difference................righ t?

[sourav93]

Wrong. Aaron Greenberg said 3 days ago that Ryse ran natively at 1080p : http://www.unscripted360.co...

[SilentNegotiator]

"who cares what the native resolution is when the final is 1080p?"

People with working eyeballs that can tell the massive difference between upscaled 900p and native 1080p. The difference being several 100,000 less pixels worth of detail.

[2cents]

Launch titles on a console that hasn’t been released. Everything is an unknown. Unfinished drivers, devs guesstimating available resources, minimal optimization based on SDK's not being robust enough to offer unique tools to maximize overall quality.

There are so many factors that make judging the current cycle of games that are going to be released in the launch window difficult, but it doesn’t seem to stop many from deciding the final outcome based on nothing more than rumour and speculation.

All I know is, the games from Xbox and Sony I’ve seen look good, not a massive leap from the current gen when you consider how stunning 'The last of us' is, but still an improvement in some cases.

The real proof will be when we see something like the next God of War or Halo, as the devs will be doing everything in their power to maximise every last ounce of the respective consoles unique powers. But that is a long time to wait. Till then hopefully we will see some gems that are exclusive to each console that can demonstrate to us, the gamers, why the next gen is indeed 'Next Gen!'

[Jazz4108]

Didnt sony state the ps3 would run its games at 120fps and 1080p? If you disagree im sure I can find the article. Really if greenburg would not have blasted 1080p on this game 900p is good as I know alot of next gen games on both systems are not hitting native 1080p so all in all its a launch game so I know we will see much better soon but I dont like the misleading info coming from ms the same as all the misleading infor from sony on the ps3 and emotion engine.

[2cents]

I agree with you Jazz,

It's a case of too many cooks ruining the broth. But us gamers are partly to blame! Since the internet has become such a strong form of communication and news is instantaneous we have become addicted to feeding our insatiable appitite for knowledge about everything gaming. I check N4G whenever I have a break at work and most evenings just so I can stay up to date with all things Sony/Xbox.

I remember having to waits for monthly mags to get my gaming fix, now it's anywhere and everywhere! The issue stems from many lowbrow sites allowing children with no literary training or journalistic integrity to post so much crap about whatever they want that it's almost impossible to know what headline on this site is worthy of our attention. But we click, we read, we bitch. All the wile mr website owner is laughing at all the hits that are being generated.

I mean look how angry everyone is! It's constant, it's daily, it never seems to let up. These snippets of news are constantly repackaged and sold to us as something new when all it is, is just a polished turd.

The Internet keeps our cages rattled, fanboys make happiness hard to find and we are left to fight it out with eachother on message boards around the WWW. It's a case o too much information with hardly any substance. So when something finally comes along we all jump on it like wild dogs. But he said, she said, I said.

I just can't wait till late Nov so we can all have our shiny new toys and stop fighting and start playing!

[dantesparda]

Stop having a conversation with yourself

[THEDON82z1]

Something tells me this is why EA has been so elusive about the final resolution of Battlefield 4!!!Oh well NOVEMBER 15 is right around the corner and I cant wait!!!!

[xKugo]

This is pretty shocking, for a variety of reasons. Most notably because it was stated as being 1080p not even 48 hours ago. Though 900p isn't 'that' bad, it's still shocking to know that a next-gen console isn't going to at least make native 1080p a standard. If we can't have 60fps, at least give us native 1080p. All console gamers, whether XB1 or PS4 deserve at least that for the amount of money we're paying.

Another tidbit, is just coincidence that 1600x900(900p) is exactly the same resolution put forth by devs in a scenario situation where games running at 1080p/30fps on PS4 would run at 900p/mid 20sfps. Were I buying a XB1, disappointed would not begin to describe it. Can you imagine if this turns out to be true with both multiplats AND exclusives(excluding Forza). The amount of backtracking would be unreal. Also, some people like Elite who said XB1 would be doing 2k and later on 4k gaming would be eating crow for weeks.

Just my 2¢

[jhoward585]

Notice Aaron Greenberg didn't mentioned anything about RYSE frame rate speed. He did for Foza though.

[B-radical]

Cause we know whats its aiming for? And they prob just wanna say we have a game running 60fps

[M-M]

Next generation gaming right there. So, where are all of the people stating that the Xbox One has some super secret sauce? If the Xbox One had better specs, it should be able to do 1080p without a problem. This also confirms why most Xbox One games can do 60FPS.

[Muerte2494]

much like the EdRAM inside the Wii U, developers have yet to make any kind of techniques for get the extra bandwidth out of them. These were put in there to help rectify that narrow DDR3 pipeline. But if developers don't properly use it then this is what we can expect.

If you get a disagree, it wasn't from me. I'm buying ps4 day one. Xbox One down the line if they ever remove Kinect and drop the price.

[AznGaara]

If this gen is anything to go by then don't be surprised when Devs don't take extra time to fully optimize one console after coding for another. I mean it took FOREVER for PS3 ports to be on par with their 360 counterparts.

So I expect that mentality will carry through next gen except with the Ps4 being the "superior" version since its "so easy to develop for."

[windblowsagain]

It's not just an edram problem.

16 rops. 68g/s bandwidth. 1.31tf.

That is the rez most likely 99% xboxone games will have because it does not have the power.

[Ju]

Even if they will it will be hard to match the PS4. Only with optimization at it's fullest it might come close - it will never go beyond. There are just too much hard facts - no optimization in the world can overcome physical boundaries.

[AceBlazer13]

isnt it just forza and ki locking 60 fps? a racer and a fighter.

[Megaton]

Those are definitely the two easiest genres to max frames with. Even on my janky mid-range graphics card I can hit a locked 60 in fighters and racers easy.

[u got owned]

@Megaton

"Those are definitely the two easiest genres to max frames with."

I agree, but then why isn't Drive Club running at 60 fps? hummm!! but its ok because its on a PS4 with 50% more powah... ;)

[riceking]

@ u got owned

well forza 5 have no real-time lighting, no weather effects and basically a static skybox.

so... try harder next time

[u got owned]

@ riceking

So that is the excuse now, i thought racing genre were the easiest to max frames with.

[Megaton]

They are easy to max. Even easier if you have nothing going on in the background.

[u got owned]

@ Megaton

So Forza 5 doesn't have weather and day cycle. Ok i give that. But Forza has a much more robust simulation physics engine, not only that completely customization on all cars, more cars than DC just to name a few things, i mean Forza is huge compared to DC and still they manage to run it at 60 fps.

[Megaton]

You're making the mistake of assuming that I care about either of those games. I play arcade racers. Not sims or sim wannabes. All I said was that generally those are the two easiest genres to max. I don't know or care why DC doesn't run at 60 FPS (assuming it doesn't, I haven't got a clue if you're even right about that), but I would assume it has a lot more going on than Forza does if it has a significantly lower framerate.

[black0o]

KI actually runs at 720p!! and froza has static environment ;) unlike Driveclub fully dynamic

[badkolo]

and yet forza 5 looks better then anything ps4 has shown so far go figure

[Ju]

Yes, and so is Ridge Racer 7. /s

[Sevir]

So remember that Edge article, and MS's Response to said article!!!!? I'll just leave this here :)

http://m.edge-online.com/ne...

Microsoft's own guy just confirmed What devs have been saying, anonymous or others...

PS4 > XBOX One!

The devil is in the details as they say!!!

[robotgargoyle]

It's a launch game. Who really cares whether it's in 720p, 1080p, or 1080i? People act like 720p is standard def or something, when in reality, the difference is only noticeable on larger TVs (50 inches and above) when comparing 720 to 1080.

[black0o]

we care since M$ said that X1 can run games at 4K I mean 4x1080p O.o

[1OddWorld]

55inch I see the Difference. Plain as day.

[Walker]

lol, I'm disappointed . the difference between ps4 and xbone games will be about 720p, 900p, 20fps, 30fps for xbone games against 1080p, 30fps, 60fps for ps4 games .

ps4 is the most powerful and popular console in the world right now ! DEAL WITH IT !

[Magicite]

no need to deal with that, but need to buy it :)

[DistroyerOfFanbums]

I agree with the PS4 part, moreover they will not release a game on the X1 that's at 20FPS.. It would indeed be at 720p at 30fps, that's the lowest it would go.(Direct X will help in this)
.
Props up for the guy being honest, but the question is, will the consumer notice a difference. (Lower resolution)Example, Killer instinct at 720p upscaled to 1080p, ryse 900p upscaled to 1080p, ect.

[Irishguy95]

Most likely due to poor drivers over power.

The 50% difference GPU will not be that huge with regards to res and FPS, it will be big and noticeable but not that massive in the end. The power difference does not add up with the final performance

[B-radical]

Lol alot of us know what the more powerful console is and are dealing with it......didn't stop me from canceling my x1 :D

[Flutterby]

You cancelled your xbone preorder ?

[5h4h4b]

Oh man. Oh man . Look at this now . Please come out of your delusions xboys. Look at this now. Hmm question comes to the mind " what about forza"

[tuglu_pati]

Read the article Forza is 1080p native, 60 FPS.

[5h4h4b]

Bro I read the same about ryse. Now look what happened.

Damn, that edge article was spot on.

[ErcsYou]

So..., Ryse was 1080p naitve two days ago. You feel where im coming from now?

[tuglu_pati]

I now where you're coming from, but at least they were honest and came out and updated with the real numbers.

[ziggurcat]

he also said in the same sentence that xbone "upscales all titles to 1080p..."

you can't say something is native 1080p, and in the same breath say all games are upscaled to 1080p... because that means that forza isn't actually native 1080p.

[black0o]

to put it simply MS is full Of lies ... behold BF4 on the x1 lol

[GinkgoID]

Is it worth pointing out the GT5 ran at native 1080p on the PS3 back int 2010. Easier for a car game.

[BOLO]

Wrong. GT5 ran at 1280x1080 resolution.

[Jazz4108]

So if forza added real time lighting it would match drive club? Thats a load of bs as we all know forza will be a huge game and driveclub was made to be a free to play at first.

[T2]

maybe true but then you have to ask is forza worth 60 bucks MORE than DC? for me as a casual racer the answer is still no.

[Man-E-Faces]

And that's that!
There's your XboxOne power for you, even Crytek can't get a linear game to run in native 1080p on XboxOne.

[ion53]

The worst part is, one Xbone = 3 Xbones with the Cloud... If they can't do that then, well...

[Metfanant]

The power of the cloud

[Deadpoolio]

The power of the cloud that most idiots don't seem to grasp will be limited to the power of their internet...Which means all the morons using the wireless with their Wal-mart internet will be screwed

[AznGaara]

Next gen tech at its finest.

[Sevir]

MS's Console built with power and balance to give consumers the best looking games possible for 10 years.... /S

I'll take the PS4, Edge's Developer interview Nailed it!...

[Chris12]

Admit it, who has either played Ryse or watched the videos and thought the game was any less than 1080p.

People are becoming too hung up on specs for their willy waving contest and not understanding what's going on in the game. Very sad.

[Metfanant]

Here us my question for you...

Have they actually been showing us Ryse on an Xbone at 900p upscaled to 1080p? Or have they been showing us Ryse at Native 1080p on PC Dev kits?...

[Chris12]

Ryse has been playing on the show floor of Gamescom and other events on proper units, so that would suggest we've seen it at 900p all along.

[Deadpoolio]

Nope they've more than likely been showing rise running on those same Windows 7 power PCs with Nvidia graphics cards that they have been caught using a at E3 and Gamescom now also

[Metfanant]

Except just 2 days ago MS "confirmed" it was 1080p...and all the screenshots they have been releasing are 1080p...and the videos...also 1080p...

So what gives?

I'm calling BS

[Chris12]

The game is up scaled to 1080p from 900p. If you take a screen shot of something running at 1080p, then it will be a 1080p screen shot because that is what you are displaying on screen.

It makes perfect sense, unfortunately people don't want to believe it. At least they came out and corrected the 'native' error quickly this time rather than be called out later on once the console is released.

At the end of the day I'm getting both consoles so willy waving makes no difference to me. Ryse looks fantastic but I'm not sold on the gameplay so will wait until its in the bargain bin, but its interesting that Sony have remained very quiet about all their games and no-one seems to be asking the right questions.

Are all games running in native 1080p? Why has Driveclub not be shown with any AI/other race opponents? Lots of questions I want to ask but people are so hooked up in slamming MS that we're not getting any info from Sony and no-one seems bothered.

[robotgargoyle]

Calling bs doesn't make the game look any worse to me. The gameplay looks to be the real issue, but haven't played it.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

@Chris

Have you ever used the upscaler on the PS3 to play ps1 and ps2 games?

You'll quickly notice that upscaling is a fucking horrendous concept. There's a reason why there's a question of whether something is native 1080p or upscaled, because it makes a huge difference.

[ziggurcat]

i was skeptical.

i've even gone on record asking a certain xbox fanboy to provide proof that their claims of native 1080p were true, and that these games weren't just upscaled.

http://n4g.com/comments/red... (comment 24.1.2 on page #1)

http://n4g.com/comments/red... (comment 46.1.2 on page #2)

[5h4h4b]

The talk of dgpu, secret sauce, balanced architecture is all trash. Believe me guys, we are going to see the difference day one. That must be the reason 3rd party games haven't been shown on x1 yet.
Http://i2.cdnds.net/13/21/6...

[BABY-JEDI]

As time goes by. Both XBone & PS4 will be optimised better. Deal with it! This pizzing match is a poor gamers show.

[Ju]

Yeah...we'll see about that. That is, if the Xbox will sell the same as the PS4. If not, it will just be easier to down scale and release with little effort. What gives if with all the optimization in the world Crytek can't get beyond 900? We'll just see two different version in the future. Get the Xbox for the additional features (if TV and Camera or voice command is your thing), but graphically PS4 will be the top dog.

[BABY-JEDI]

It's obvious that quite a few people have went out their way to miss the point that I was making LoL. Good work.
: P

[Mariusmssj]

I don't know guys I was really expecting more from next gen consoles. Not being able to do to 1080 is rather disappointing.

[badz149]

didn't Wii U give you some sort of warning already? 1080p/60fps is not going to be standards on all nextgen consoles IMO, PS4 included!

there might be some (1st party devs most probably) that will try to push for it but most will go for either 720p/60fps or 1080p/30fps. I think.

[starchild]

I fully agree. I don't know why so many people got it in their minds that next gen console games were suddenly all going to be 1080p and 60fps.

A lot of console gamers don't realize the amount of power it takes to achieve both 1080p and 60fps on a graphically advanced game.

If the graphics were simple enough, any past generation console could have done 1080p and 60fps. The thing is, gamers expect a certain graphical jump--a quantum leap, really--between generations. Most games simply won't be able to have the kind of graphics people expect, while also running at 1080p and 60fps.

[Ju]

"consoleS" ? Which oneS?

[AceBlazer13]

well look at that major nelson was right the truth is beginning to come to light

[Ame_No_Shiryuu]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!! XD

[Magicite]

so in other words - xbone runs all games at 1080 cos they are upscaled but ps4 runs all games at 1080 cos they are native to that.

[Animal Mutha 76]

Sounds like that but we don't know ps4 does 1080 native yet on all/most games do we?

[Magicite]

If I remember right, a while ago I read a thread where Sony stated that they demand all PS4 games to run at 1080p, correct me if Im wrong.

[Elit3Nick]

that doesn't mean native 1080p though

[SKullDugger]

In other words you are wrong. Who is the leader of your flock of sheep?

[DoesUs]

Oops. Shame. What happened with the 4k gaming Elite was talking about? Will this be turned on later down the line?

[ziggurcat]

i'm sure once misterx starts spinning things, elite will be back here spamming the forums with that nonsense.

the fact is, 4K games won't happen on either system - 4K is only being supported for video playback.

[EXVirtual]

I'm not even sure we're gonna get full 4k at 30 fps in the ninth gen.

[majiebeast]

"One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."

Seems like EDGE was spot on.

[DJ]

EDGE was ridiculously spot-on. In fact, now I'm certain EDGE was referring to Ryse: Son of Rome.

[Volkama]

Yes I'm equally certain that this "anonymous dev" was in fact Crytek, and the unoptimised code they were talking about was actually the near-final build of Ryse. And they built it for PS4 as well, just for the sake of making a comparison they could leak to Edge. Definitely (!)

[Ju]

Crytek will release on PS4 - it just won't be Ryse. Could be any other Crytek game they "port" or develop new (even a test build for Crysis).

[robotgargoyle]

As we all know- PS4 is more powerful and easier to develop for, but I'm sure XB1 games (Multiplats in general) will be up to snuff (720/1080p-30/60fps).

Don't understand why MS made their system harder to develop for?

After playing GTA 5 on my old, white, fat 360, I wonder how a game of that magnitude can run on a machine with only 512mb of ram, but it does. Yeah there is some pop-in, but it still looks and plays great!

I have faith in MS, even after all the PR blunders. It will come down to the developers learning the hardware and MS suppying the tools necessary to help tap it's potential.

I'm more worried about Valve's Steambox materializing and Left 4 Dead 3 being an exclusive for it.

[DevilishSix]

GTA5 may look and play great to you but clearly the graphics are dated. I am anxious to see the PC and next gen builds, which should show a big difference, unless Rockstar plans on gimping them for parity reasons.

[u-bEttA-rUn]

Smh my popcorn is done right on time
( kicks feet up)

[Tooly]

pass that i got the butter

[Ron_Danger]

Tooly... It's a trap!! I saw him cut a hole in the bottom!!

[PirateKing]

1600 x 900 resolutions huh. No wonder Xbone games are clocking in at 60fps so easily. Up-conversion, oh boy MS just keeps putting out its greatest hits.

[staticdash22]

Man, killzone shadow fall is running 1080p native and 60 fps in the mutliplayer. Driveclub is 1080p native and they're targeting 60fps. Even Knack is 1080p native.....

[DJ]

PS4 has faster RAM, faster GPU, no ESRAM to complicate things. I think Mark Cerny deserves a fat bonus.

[Kryptix]

I been telling people on N4G since E3, the GDDR5 RAM benefits from large data transfers. So games with very high textures and large maps will do just fine using the PS4's RAM. Killzone: Shadowfall is showing that by running on 1080p native, up to 60 FPS. I wonder how hard it is to run Battlefield 4 on the Xbox One even with just a 720p resolution. I mean, DICE hasn't shown any BF4 gameplay running on an actual Xbox One console. Even Call of Duty: Ghosts, the weakest looking game for next gen didn't run on an Xbox One at the gameplay reveal and after that.

The PS4 will end up being the true next gen console. I predict a lot of 3rd party comparisons showing that and giving Microsoft a backlash for lying to their consumers.

[beebap]

Do ya ever think microsoft employees are told the bs too and hype themselves up from within so they think they are the best so they come across as arrogant especially when they tell someone something like this only to be told later that it not true. I kinda feel sorry for some of them they too naive to believe the hype.

[DJ]

So PS4 does 1920x1080 at 30FPS.

Xbox One does 1600x900 at 20FPS.

Everyone thank Major Nelson and Edge for clarifying the flame wars.

[JunkieJedi]

The Power of the Clown!

[Man-E-Faces]

Doesn't the 360 already upscale games to 1080p? Why in the hell would you waste time/money making a new console that can't run a majority of next gen games in native 1080p? I would think when brainstorming the guts this would be a main priority.

[Sevir]

I think they went with a weaker GPU, because Kinect 2.0 was already a huge expensive investment.

[T2]

Problem - people just expected MS to dump huge wheelbarrows full of money on tech, selling their system at a loss for years so they could have TV, voice recognition, kinect stuff, best tech, bluray, etc...
Fact - MS is in business to pad their pockets, they spent a bunch of money on kinect stuff, TV, and you are left with a medium quality tech console...
Exactly why I am unimpressed so far. I want a simple, powerful gaming machine that is easy and convenient (not going back to PC so don't even bother)... so far that is leaning heavily in the direction of the PS4...
you can see where each camp spent their money and now its up to you , the consumer, to choose where you want to spend yours.

[beebap]

I was getting so sick of power argument too when common sense told ya it was ps4 devs talking bout their experiences all microsoft talk is bs seriously im kinda sick of how much it just annoys me if I worked there i would check my facts before publicitly telling something. Kinda makes ya laugh again at another pr blunter

[ShwankyShpanky]

"Let the games do the talking."

[tuglu_pati]

when you put it that way. It make MS reps look so stupid XD.

[True_Samurai]

Still haven't seen anything closer to realism than Ryse :-/ on next gen consoles. And please don't try to use the ps4 tech demo as an example

[beebap]

You talking about deep down it aint no tech demo it shows realism and as considering it a multiplayer game the graphics are def next gen.

[FamilyGuy]

LOL, Deep Down doesn't count? Even though it's been shown running at Sonys Pre-TGS conference and will be playable at TGS on day 1 (the 19th of this month, aka 2 days from now)?

Yet it doesn't count...

Ryse looks like crap, it has some of the worse looking character eyes I've ever seen. The extremely exaggerated facial animations make Marius look like a goblin. All the enemies are clones of each other. All videos shown have had glitches all over the place and dropping frame rates. The battle system is clunky and way too easy, plus enemies just stand by in a circle watching you fight their allies instead of jumping in to help.

It's one of the worse games I have ever seen yet people keep praising it for some reason.

X1 needs a new mascot
I'd prefer it be any of the following:
Forza, Project Spark, Titanfall, Fable, Killer Instinct or even that indie game Below. People should just stop routing for Ryse, it looks terrible and it's going to be terrible.

[pyramidshead]

the argument isn't about how good it looks. It's what people who fanatically favour the xbox one have been boasting that's being ridiculed I believe. Especially after the epic bashings PS4 titles have been getting from the likely lot because of their native resolutions and combined frame rates

Also your comment is 100% subjective too. :).

[SKullDugger]

Like the tech demo they ran at E3 for the PS3.. The Ps3 will run games at 1080p and up to 120fps.. I know its a different console and far more power but the claims both these companies make are not always true!!

[5h4h4b]

Aaron greenberg : "Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p"

Albert Penello : " don't know him"

[Ame_No_Shiryuu]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!! XD

[Volkama]

Bubble up for funnies

[Jihaad_cpt]

you made my day.

[GribbleGrunger]

Stolen for Gaf. I did reference you by the way. :)

I still think Ryse will be a decent 1st gen game though.

[Sevir]

ROFLMMAO!!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Lord this comment sings as best in class!! Thank you this made my day!!

[solidjun5]

LMFAO!!!! Bubbles man. Bubbles.

[solidjun5]

Aww you're following me. Cute kid. Cute. I'm sure virtual boy will be a big hit.

[solidboss07]

Fucking class job, Microsoft ha ha. Beyond the launch window 1080p@60fps will be what most games run at on PS4!
'There is no way we are giving a 30percent power advantage to PlayStation 4'. Yes, we know, its more like 40+, ha has.

[starchild]

PS4 is most definitely more powerful than the XB1 and I have been saying it since we got decent confirmation of the specs, but if you think every game on PS4 is going to be 1080p and 60fps, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

[SKullDugger]

If your claim for 1080p and 60fps is true because of the power of the PS4 then why is BF4 running @ 720p and 60fps for both the X1 and PS4?

[SKullDugger]

Says who? Go back and read the statements SONY made at E3 for the PS3, not so many of these claims were true... Lets wait and see what happens. I can tell you I have a 700hp Ford pinto but until you see and drive it that does not make it true!!

[SKullDugger]

@ solidboss07 and which games are you developing for the PS4 that are running @ 1080p and 60fps? Can I borrow your crystal ball I gotta do some lotto numbers. Do you remember SONY's E3 for the PS3 they said the PS3 would run games @1080p and 120fps!! don't remember ever seeing that on the PS3 do you?

[No_Limit]

It is a little disappointed that this game is only 900p but it is still a high resolution. If you look at the scene shown at E3 with the bunch of AIs on screen, I think some sacrifice needs to be made in order to it to display it at a good enough resolution. I am taking a wait and see approach on this game. Waiting for reviews before deciding.

[ziggurcat]

i see that the old "ambitious game" defence is rearing its ugly head again...

time to face facts: xbone isn't nearly as powerful as you may think it is, and that 15 co-processor/5tflops/3 GPUS/DDR3 RAM that acts like DDR4 PC RAM/xbone is 2 - 3 times more powerful than PS4/wait until the NDA secret sauce nonsense is proving itself to be wishful thinking.

[MRMagoo123]

exactly my thoughts lol , seems the console thats supposed to be more powerful than the ps4 is showing that its a lot less powerful than the ps4, i wonder where elite24gamer is to say this is fake and stuff lol.

Xbone is gonna be getting its arse kicked full stop.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

So everything coming out on the PS4 is native 1080p? Speaking of crow eating I will remember that. Since you seem to believe it has the most powerful hardware and that directly relates to pixel output then it should all be 1080p.

[RiPPn]

A humble No_Limit, that crow is just about ready for eating, should be ready about mid to late November.

[Sarobi]

I'm sure we'll see Penello resort to NeoGaf once again to try and justify this.. and in the process he'll just flop around like a fish out of water like he usually does when he posts.

[quenomamen]

Yea he'll be up there trying spin the hell out of it, till he gets schooled like before.

[ziggurcat]

ahaaaa! i *knew* that they upscaled to 1080p!!

so this nonsense of all xbone games being native 1080p can finally stop because now we know they aren't, they just upscale to 1080p. which means that forza isn't *actually* native 1080p, either (even though he's claiming it is, despite saying in the same sentence that *all* titles are upscaled to 1080p)!

[Einhert]

"Next gen" consoles still cant do 1080p & 60fps..........that is just embarrassing after all this bravado of how they are going to challenge PCs performance wise.

[Metfanant]

except nobody said they were challenging high end PC's...that is something PC elitists made up in their heads to justify their purchases...

[Einhert]

Except you don't need a high end PC to run a game at 60fps and 1080p and have it look great.........

And no its something console fanboys droned on about after E3 about how PS4 had better graphical performance than any PC.

Lets not try to pretend that didn't happen in the comments section on N4G.

[cunnilumpkin]

@metfanant

"except nobody said they were challenging high end PC's...that is something PC elitists made up in their heads to justify their purchases... "

ohhh really???

http://www.psu.com/a020962/...

http://n4g.com/news/1318306...

http://n4g.com/news/1334369...

http://www.edge-online.com/...

http://gamerant.com/xbox-on...

do you need anymore ownage??

and, of course, as it turns out, the pc "elitists" were right all along and the ps4 and xbox1 are weak as sh!t and cannot even run crappy looking launch games in 1080p

btw, BF4 is sub-1080p and at low-medium settings on ps4

the are not even close to a mid-high pc from 2011

[Metfanant]

1. You cant build a complete PC for $399 that will outperform the PS4
2. Can you give me a link to any sane person claiming that the PS4 would outperform any PC?

[cunnilumpkin]

you can buy a $150 gpu that SH!TS greasy baby diarrhea all over the ps4 and xbox1

http://www.quickmeme.com/me...

everyone who doesn't live in a trailer park has a quad core pc with 8gb ram

you cannot even buy anything crappier than that at best buy

put a $150 gpu in it and it DUMPS all over xbox1/ps4

[2pacalypsenow]

WOW!!!! so much for 1080p

[Master of Unlocking]

"Ryse: Son of Rome runs at Native 900p, but Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p clarifies Microsoft"

"Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p "

There you go. Not even capable of putting out a next-gen console that runs games in 1080p. Why does the xbox one exist, again? Oh that's right, sell dashboard space to commercial brands and charge you for tv channels you won't watch.

[MasterCornholio]

Didn't the Xbox 360 do the same thing with an upscaler chip?

Nexus 7 2013

[quenomamen]

Of course it's 900p, but thats cuz they haven't turned on Teh Cloud ! You mark my words, when they do it'll probably be up round 900.5 maybe even 901. I'm telling you, watch !

[sigfredod]

make me laugh bub ups+

[GinkgoID]

Ouch. That seriously hurts MS!

Not because there is anything wrong with 900p, its a high res, but because they felt like they needed to lie about it 2 days ago. lies and spin.

Just one more nail in the lack of trust coffin.

[rageus]

Shouldn't exclusive games be able to make the most out of their consoles? Kind of like how naughty dog makes their games? And I thought crytek were known for making amazing looking games.

[Jeff257]

I can't really blame this one on Crytek. First off the game started as a 360 Kinect title. Then someone, probably from Microsoft, decided to change it to a controller/Kinect hybrid for the 360. Then this year we find out that is was now a XBOX One exclusive and still going to be a Kinect/controller hybrid. Crytek didn't have the luxury of developing it from day one as a XBOX One title and instead have had to make a lot of changes during development. That is never good for a game and I expect that Microsoft has been the ones calling the shots about this game.

[rageus]

I guess you do have a point.

[MRMagoo123]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm kinda odd that this all powerful console with the dGPU is having troubles with trying to get 1080p on a game as sh!tty as Ryse.

[Tooly]

Tisk Tisk Tisk *Walks off* *dramatic*

[shivvy24]

Dont know bout x1 but im pretty sure the second wave of ps4 games may do 60fps, well killzone mp already can !

[Reem]

WOW!!! Yet another MS lie exposed. Poor bots, but I guess you get what you are asking for, no sane person would support such a crooked and greedy company.

[Hercules189]

At least I can trust them with my credit cards.

[Spontogical]

Hmm everyone knew the XBOne/Nextbox would be less powerful than the PS4 the moment Sony did their reveal on Feb 20th.

but still.. can't even do 1080p >.<

[Supernovae]

Ryse: Son of Rome is one of the most technically advanced games that come out this year. Well, if you does not know any better. I find such a pitiable ignorance honestly.

In Ryse: Son of Rome 30 characters can be seen on a screen. In InFamous: Second Son was seen so far about 5 to 7 Ryse has 150 000 polygons with the best quality character model that you have ever senn in video games. It has very good particles, which are not only many, but they also react with physics and cast shadows (Second Son does not). The game also has tessellation and parallax occlusion mapping and Accurate pixel displacement mapping. The clothing is the best simulation, which will have ever seen in video games. The water is very high quality FFT water. The motion blur has also a very high quality . For picture quality you will probably take SMAA T2x and 900p.

I'm not saying that this game must be good in itself, but technically it beats pretty much every video game presented so far.

[Reem]

Keep dreamin bot lulz

[Supernovae]

If one has no idea of technology and at the same time is a fanboy, you can not do anything else than you say. What I say are facts. However, I am well aware that many proles stay on this site.

By the way I can play games on my $1000 PC (HD7990 ~ 8 teraflops) in 3840 x 2160th That's 4 times more pixels than you can do on the PlayStation 4

Next to Crysis 3 (PC) every game looks like a cheap production.

[Reem]

These are no facts, but your dreams. The only thing Rise has is it's 150k polys on the main character, everything else is inferior. And btw I have a PC that runs Crysis 3 and BF3 on max settings, but I'm still more excited about the PS4 than about my PC. The thing is I prefer playing on my 51" screen while sitting on a couch and don't come with some crap I can connect my PC to the TV, nobody has his PC in the living room, unless you are living in a 1 room shithole lol. Deal with it bot!

[sorane]

@ozz

Why would your pc have to be in the same room as your tv? I have mine connected to 3 different tvs all in separate rooms. Makes me doubt you even have one......

[fooltheman]

Is it strange I found the water not as good...
It's seems overdone...

[Jeff257]

Bottom Line if it was the most technically advanced game to come out this year then it should be 1080p at 60fps. But is isn't going to be reaching that.

[T2]

Hmmm I am actually surprised people haven't compared Ryse to Dynasty Warriors... high resolution on main character , "hundreds" of enemies on screen (yet they are all carbon copies), and enemies that stand around and watch you fight.

I love Dynasty Warriors , and I will likely be into Ryse as well, but why no comparisons? All the complaints I have seen from previews show same faults and strengths.

[xbone180]

you make a good point, both DR3 and Ryse have that in common with Dynasty Warriors.

[BOLO]

Infamous SS is an open world game...Ryse is not.

[sephiroth420]

can you really tell that much of a difference from 720p and 900p?

[GryestOfBluSkies]

probably not, but thats not the point. ms lied. again.

[johny5]

Coincidence? I think not!

http://gamepolitics.com/201...

[Killjoy3000]

1080p - 180p = 900p.

They had initially announced that this game would run in 1080p natively.

So basically they just pulled ANOTHER 180.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

todays upscaling and IQ works like this.

say u have 720p native image but u want to upscale to 1080p. IQ degrades as the pixels stretch to 1080p demension.

However with X1 they have a pixel producing block. 13.6gpixel/s or 32k res. (1080p * 32) this is the move engine.

[abusador]

Give it u, where are all your 1080 p exclusives now? Talking all tht crap about how micro. Has more games at 1080p thn ps4 and awesome customized parts yet ryse, dead rising are barely HD and framerate is bad. Youmustbe in pain lol Smh

[FrigidDARKNESS]

These type of comments are expected from you folks from the other side.

[abusador]

Infamous and Kz look better than anything and ill say it again "anything" weve seen from next gen. Ryse having all these polygons in the protagonist but basically the same looking npcs who all look like carbon copy twins is not atechnical feat at all. Its easy to put all those assets in one person when your neglecting adding crazy detail to other npcs and have mediocre. linear gameplay. Killzone is more open and Infamous is open world period and will have detail and great looking characters throughout!!!!! Ouch 900 p

[DoesUs]

Dem hoop man, dem hoops!

[FrigidDARKNESS]

You must be my biggest fan still x1 games look better than anything ps4 put out true fact.

[DoesUs]

Will these XB1 games be patched in the future to achieve 4k? Or KI maybe patched to hit 900p?

See you in November 8)

[saint_seya]

Friggin use your move engine, move from this site, you are just looking worse every single day...

[byeGollum]

I still can't wait to play the game :D Day one purchase with my xONE. . .

[RiPPn]

..followed by a day 2 trade in at GameStop?

[byeGollum]

you must be experienced ^_^

[SoulSercher620]

Wow only 900p and it's for a Crytek game? And to top it off it's upscaled to 1080p? UPSCALED?

There are no words.

[True_Samurai]

I don't get it upscaled? Is that a bad thing? I've seen 900p and looks exactly like 1080p. I have a Samsung TV

[SoulSercher620]

Yes it is a bad thing. There is no reason to have to stretch the game to give it the illusion that it plays at 1080p. And I see no reason why it shouldn't be at native 1080p either with the power of next gen consoles.

[RiPPn]

Good thing they bumped the CPU up 10%! /s

[GryestOfBluSkies]

b... bu... but..... what about the magical cloud that makes everything not only possible but reality?

[abusador]

Oh my the Microsoft strike force must be reeling in pain right now. That's what happens when u take jabs at Sony proclaiming all these games at 1080p and end up with only one exclusive now and its a Racer which doesn't say much. How the rides turn and now Sony has more exclusives at 1080p lol. I love how Microsoft keeps lying and breaking hearts yet fanboys continue. That customized architecture sure is powerful, smh

[xDHAV0K24x]

Honestly don't care much for ratings and I don't expect a 10/10 for Ryse. It is misleading however when a good/great game gets a 6-8 rating. Still worth buying. I predict an 7 or 8 for Ryse. Looking forward to it. X1. Day 1.

[bligmerk]

The problem for MS has been their constant PR to try to make the XBone look more powerful than it really is. Ryse has been promoted as being *THE* reason to get XBone at launch. Who can forget all the boasting about how Ryse was setting the bar for next generation graphics? Now, MS knows they are going to have to run the "real, final code running on real, final hardware" and all their false bravado is falling apart. This has been a long, slow train wreck since February and the total derailment happens this week with TGS.

[DoubleM70]

Funny how nobody knows what's on behind closed doors. In other words you don't know the whole story. Nothing I repeat nothing is not in it's final build yet.

[nerdeu]

With the POWAAH OF THA CLOOWD and ROCKET SCIENCE LEVEL STUFF it will reach 9000p.

[JuniorCE]

Oddly enough, the Xbone 1 has "4k" for gaming? really?

Where is the POWER OF THE CLOUD?? Oh wait... THE POWER OF PHOTOSHOP!!!

Becasue, the xbots fanboys and Micro$oft were saying with the CLOUD the Xbone 1 was going to be 10 times more powerful...

Ryse: Son of Rome may not be as good as it looks, rendered screenshots have been photoshopped

[MadSientist89]

this is disappointing especially after we were told it was 1080p.. so now Forza 5 is the only 1080p game? oh dear..

[Clarence]

What happen to 1080? M$ sure love to lie.

[Bolts]

Pathetic. The nextgen is already obsolete.

[EXVirtual]

The XBO is almost obsolete.
The PS4 is pretty good to go. I will say that this next gen shouldn't be for 10 years though. I'd say 5-7 years max.

[TheObserver]

Not good when the supposed flag ship of Xbone graphical abilities doesn't even run at 1080p native.

[BG11579]

MS has been caught with their pants down.
So Edge was right. I'm still waiting for the Forza bad news.

This battle between Xbone and PS4 is like the revival battle between the Saturn and the PSX.

[LordDhampire]

Have you seen rise? Ps4 probably have trouble running some games at 1080p, the bigger the resolution the worst the graphics get

[BG11579]

Uh, yes I did. Pax, I was there too. I wanted to see what the fuss was about, again... And got disappointed, again.

Does that answer your question?

[LordDhampire]

@BG11579

O no doubt the gameplay looks like absolute garbage, does nothing for me but the game does look pretty

[BG11579]

The gameplay is garbbage. The enemies' AI is non existant. The light, water and fire effets are weird. It's nothing than a poor beat-them-all with no real deap. The executions get boring very soon. There are very few it seems.
This is coming from a guy that likes beat-them-all...

[LordDhampire]

Lol all thoses sony fanboys trolling aarons twitter

[GraveLord]

lol 900p

[Razputin]

Why is this news?

Just another point in why consoles will never be up to par with PC.

Not trying to start a flame war here, but this was the main issue with nearly all current gen consoles.

Most games ran well below even 720p but would get upscaled.

Halo, CoD, Battlefield, Uncharted, all the major AAA games and below ran well under 720p.

+1 for Microsoft at least saying this openly and letting everyone know.

Still 1600x900 isn't bad at all, that game looked very good. Here's to hoping Crytek ports it to PC. Hell I'd love all console exclusives to be brought to PC.

[Sevir]

That's a bag of Bull for Uncharted, Every last uncharted game ran at 720p....

[Jovanian]

'Just another point in why consoles will never be up to par with PC.'

Graphics and performance don't matter! Well, unless of course you're comparing dat xbox to dat playstation! man people are hypocrites. When somebody comes in and mentions PCs are always better, people cry about how graphics don't matter.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Can you show me one person saying "graphics don't matter?" (well, aside from Xbots)

People don't like elitists trolling with their "PC has teh best grafix 4evah" because WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. It's Captain Obvious level inanity. People choose consoles instead of PCs for convenience and ease of use, but that doesn't mean they don't want the best console bang for their buck.

[akaFullMetal]

Surprise, surprise.....not really.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

900p and still looks better than almost all the launch games of this next gen.

[SnakeCQC]

what an epic fail

[zippycup]

OK there's to much math going on in here

[Morgue]

LIES - Son Of Nope

[DevilishSix]

I guess we can look forwarding to seeing comment after comment for new games releases that say "teh resolution just got xboned".

[Jamaicangmr]

Well isn't that special.

This is interesting not because to 900p in itself because i'm sure we will come across PS4 games that will be upscaled to 1080p as well.

However with that said Ryse has been one of those games that some have called upon religiously to justify the X1's power. I'm impressed with Mr. Greenberg's admittance of this though he could've just as well not say anything.

Plus bubble for Mr. Greenberg.

[jmc8888]

Ryse has also had a development time long enough to where this is a VERY BAD sign for the Xbox One.

Ryse was announced and a trailer shown at E3 2011, which means the game has been in development for like 3 years already, maybe more.

Think about that for a moment. They can't get a game that has been in development for 3-4 years to run above 900p/30. What about all the games that get half that time? (as a whole...across 360/PS3/One/PS4/Wii U/PC development.

When the other versions are easy to code for, but the Xbox One has to be dialed back significantly until they can get SOME of it back with proper ESRAM coding that they MAY or MAY NOT have the time, money, desire to code for.

Just about every game for Xbox One won't have nearly the same length of time for development, and for 3rd party multiplatform games, they will get far less resources amongst a bigger team focused on bigger and better things that are also easier to code for.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Meh... he gets kudos for heading off another fiasco. If he didn't say anything, people would have found out after release and the backlash would have been worse.

[Burnthouse]

Look at launch games from current gen and look at the recent crop of games... what blows you away today will pale into insignificance compared to what's coming in the next three or four years when we get 4K resoloutions. It took them 7 yes to master current gen.

[horndog]

900?? Does it change the fact that this game looks gorgeous?? Not one bit. If this man wouldn't have said anything I would probably think it was native 1080. It just looks really good.

[Jovanian]

2013....and we STILL don't have a 1080p standard on consoles.

That is PA-F&#&ING-THETIC

And I can guarantee you all that the PS4 will do the exact same s%&t, just wait till they tell everyone how they're upscaling their stuff too

Its all a damn joke. So much for next gen, its unbelievable how damaging consoles have been, dumbing down gameplay and dumbing down graphics.

'next gen consoles will be 1080p and 60fps standard for games!'

What a damn joke, and I feel sorry for anyone foolish enough to believe microsoft or sonys lies

[jmc8888]

Very true.

The only thing that's wrong is that at least the PS4 will hit 1080p/60 on SOME games. (and I don't mean technically unimpressive games like pong).

But again, anyone that knows specs saw this coming from a mile away.

[Jovanian]

Oh I believe PS4 will definitely hit 1080p 60fps for some games, like remember that one racing game release on PSN? that one futuristic one I can't remember the name, but it was 1080p 60fps. its jsut that I'm disappointed this isn't the standard for all games, not just select few.

For example, those graphically intense games like killzon? Not a chance will it run 1080p 60fps. There will be sacrifice one way or another, be it to performance or graphics

[MasterCornholio]

"For example, those graphically intense games like killzon? Not a chance will it run 1080p 60fps."

Well the developers confirmed a native 1080P resolution for the game with the single player running at 30FPS and the multiplayer at 60FPS.

P.S they could upscale it but we will have to receive official confirmation on it either by them or a site that analysis the game.

Nexus 7 2013

[DoubleM70]

The one thing people keeps forgetting. THE GAME IS NOT IN IT'S FINAL STATE YET. SONY PONIES!! It's still running on Alpha build.

[Jovanian]

Bro they aren't going to change the native resolution when it comes time to release. don't be delusional

[jmc8888]

And respectfully what you're forgetting is the following.

1. The game has been in development since Kinect1 launched (roughly). I.E. Half Life 2, Aliens Colonial Marines territory they are approaching.

2. We're basically weeks away from burning the code onto discs.

3. The fact they have been telling us 1080p and now 900p...and STILL 30 FPS, means things are trending the other way. More likely that they've noticed they can't increase it anymore and had to lower resolution...not to up the framerate....but JUST TO KEEP IT at the announced 30 FPS.

I'm sorry, Ryse after all these years is not in an Alpha build. We're basically at the final testing period...like end of beta stage. Remember people this was supposed to be a Kinect1 game for the 360. Alpha stage was YEARS ago.

[DevilishSix]

DoubleM70 if that is the case the damn sure better get it out of alpha and fn soon, it launches in 2 months and they need time to produce copies and ship, so I doubt it is still in alpha, beta maybe with a months run up for polishing, but surely not alpha.

[jmc8888]

Well the touched, most likely PC bullshot's of RYSE look alot better than the real shots. Now we start to know the reasons behind it.

900p AND 30 FPS? Wow. For a game that's been in development for what seems relatively close to Half Life 2 development time that's not a good time.

Not good for people planning to use an Xbox One the next 5-10 years.

Remember Ryse has been in development longer than anything else, including BOTH consoles, probably combined.

I wonder if at 900p/30 it has any slowdowns.

[SatanSki]

Nextgen consoles sucks powerwise. On PC i didnt play in lower resolutions then 1920x1200 for years.

[urwifeminder]

Look forward to trying it out so glad I went ahead building my pc with these next gen console specs lol that said MS always bring the games for me so will still check it out.

[ATi_Elite]

Well that SUCKS! Next Gen and STILL struggling to achieve 1080p.

come on people ALL PC Gamers game at 1080p, 1200p, or 1440p with Enthusiast Gamers at 1600p.

HOPEFULLY Devs can find optimization tricks to achieve 1080p. I seriously doubt these first Gen titles will use it.

2nd Gen Games should make better use of the XB1 features.

BUT it will still be determined by the power of the XB1 GPU which so far according to SPECS seems weak especially since it's a LAPTOP SPEC GPU and not the exact desktop version.

Some have mentioned using the Esram but adding more Ram from my experience only HELPS frame rates when using multiple monitors.

Testing the same two GPU's (1 with 1GB Vram 1 with 2GB Vram) the frame rate differences was like only 3 to 5 FPS and that was when using multiple monitors.

Having more Vram (XB1 already has like 4GB or more of free ram for Vram) will not help it achieve 1080p. You need RAW power to achieve 1080p and that comes from the GPU!

[CBaoth]

ALL PC gamers play 1080p and above? Haha stop talking bullshit brah :P Everytime I check out a game on sale on Steam, there's always a half-dozen posts from morons wondering why their pre-built garbage with Intel HD graphics can't run the game they just bought! Come November 22nd, these machines will be the new basement, not consoles.

[ATi_Elite]

http://store.steampowered.c...

Primary Resolution Display 1920 x 1080p

Anyway why worry about PC Gamers when your a consoler?

Why are you on Steam when your a consoler?

Hmmmm!

[Hakoom]

wtf is 900p? lol

il wait till all these games come out in 2 months and judge for myself..
although i knwo X1 will disapoint graphicly for sure..
i have no doubts at all with ps4 games though.. they will deliver..

[russo121]

Xbone is no more than a PS vita - PS Vita can do 960.... too...

8) (I hope all of you have seen the '....')

[mmj]

This is what happens when you go with cheaper DDR3 that requires ESRAM to boost it and then only have room for a mid range GPU. The PS3 GPU is 50% more capable so it's going to be able to handle TRUE 1080P much better than Xbone.

A lot of Xbone games will be upscaled, Forza is probably the exception not the norm.

[jackdaddy]

Dead in the water before its even out.
XBollox

[turgore]

You know what that means right ? Jaggies !

[solid_snake3656]

Lol oh xbox

[cabbitwithscissors]

That's the problem you get when you use upscaler chips. You never know whether you're getting the real deal or not, and developers would take a shortcut with this. ;)

Also, my guess is that Ryse was developed for the 360, and default setting for the 360 is 720p. I'd gather the artwork and game was designed with a little higher resolution (which is usually industry practice) and downscaled to fit 720p to make it look superior.

But with the game move over from the 360 to the xbone which has a default target of 1080p, the artwork was at a lower scale than that, therefore they had to use the upscaler chip to do this. The developers probably don't want to redo the artwork to match 1080p as more time will be required for this or it could be some other reasons which are not apparent.

Though, it also could be that the xbone GPU can't handle too many high res details on screen and Crytek had to do some compromise of the graphics by using 900p instead of 1080p. [edit]

The funny thing is that the developers selected the 900p resolution all that way back, and now it has come back to bite both of them in the way of a 180 --> (1080p - 900p) = 180p. :D

[cunnilumpkin]

lol....."next gen"

first ps4 with bf4 with medium settings in sub-1080p, now a flagship exclusive at 1600x900

how the fu@k is that next gen anything??

I'm not touching these consoles till they hit $200 and have like 20 exclusives that make them worth it

all last gen they sat collecting dust except for every few months when a real EXCLUSIVE would come along that was worth my time, and graphically it was always a disappointment

jaggies, screen tearing, sub hd

looks like "next gen" will be the same crap!

[marcofdeath]

Still the best looking next gen game coming out so far, but let's look at the facts.
Ryse has one of the highest LOD levels of any videogames ever made, that is 140,000k polygons per character closest to the player. That's compared to killzone sf that has a LOD of just 40,000k polygons per character closest to the player and that game can steal only render at 30 frames per second at 720p. So Ryse is generating 3.5+ times polygons than that of killzone. Bear in mind that this is the start of a new generation. I look to Sony to show us that the PS4 can generate these types of LOD levels. So you have a choice, as a game developer do you bring your character detail levels down to let's say 90,000K polygon count to achieve 1080P 30 frames per second or do you stay at 900p and run at 30 frames per second. These are the choices that developers wrestle with and I must say that so far they have chosen the right path for this particular game.

[wishingW3L]

dude, there so much misinformation in your comment... 150k poly is only for the main character, the game runs at sub 30 frames and sub 1080p. This has been explained so many times but you guys are in denial due to extreme fanboyism.

XB1 is weaker and there's nothing you can do other than face reality. The differences will not be that big so there is no reason to be asshurt anyway. But if you care about little details so much then the only thing you can do is either: buy a PS4 or a PC.

[Dark_king]

@wishingW3L wasnt it 150k triangles not poly's.

[Qrphe]

>can steal only render at 30 frames per second at 720p

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...

[ShwankyShpanky]

Oy. Let's see...

1) as Dark said, Marius is 150k triangles, not polys, so he could be about half as many polys. But that's GG's bad for listing polys instead of triangles

2) as Wishing said, that 150k is for Marius *only,* whereas KZ:SF has 40k polys for ALL characters at LOD1. It would be interesting to see what the poly/triangle count is on Ryse NPCs. Their level of detail is noticeably below that of Marius. So putting a half-dozen KZ:SF characters up close could very well exceed the displayed triangle count of a half-dozen Ryse characters displayed at once.

3) KZ:SF is *native 1080p,* not 720p, and runs 30fps in 1P and 60fps in MP. Ryse struggles to hold 30fps at 900p (the E3 demo dropped to 18fps at one point, and frequently dropped to 20 or 24). So get a KZ:SF MP game going, gather up your team of 8 (or whatever it is), and you're displaying 7 x 40k polys (at least the visible portion) at 1080p at 60fps. And the MP in Ryse doesn't even use Marius, it uses "generic gladiator," for which I don't believe we have a poly count.

And be sure to let me know when Ryse works up to one tenth the particle effects of KZ:SF.

[marcofdeath]

Post a link to where it says killzone is running at 1080p native, I bet you you won't. PS the math for the triangle rate is still about 120,000K as polygons, and by the way I played Ryse in Seattle it's 30 frames per second so you have no idea what your talking about. And as far as the particle FX goes once again you do not know what you're talking about, please go look at the videos of how the game was made, the lead programmer states the particle effects in just the opening scene was more than all the rendering power in Xbox 360. And by the way the multiplayer looked like SHIT. So I went back to look at the E3 videos of Ryse at any one time during LOD 1 has up to 4+ characters but KZ only had during gameplay 2 characters at LOD 1 there may have been a guy on the ground.

[ShwankyShpanky]

From the KZ:SF demo technical breakdown:
"Our aim for announcement event was to run on
PS4 hardware: 1080p, solid 30FPS, NO CHEATS"
http://www.guerrilla-games....

Now, one could say "yeah, that's the *target* render. However, from Eurogamer:

"Killzone: Shadow Fall is set to wave the 1080p banner when it arrives, and based on close, frame-by-frame scrutiny of the trailer, we can confirm this target is being realised fully here, giving us a crisp level of image quality we seldom see outside of PC gaming."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Their "closer, frame-by-frame scrutiny" revealed that "this target is being realised fully."

>>PS the math for the triangle rate is still about 120,000K as polygons

Post a link to where it says the math for the triangle rate is still about 120,000K as polygons. I bet you you won't.

>>I played Ryse in Seattle it's 30 frames per second so you have no idea what your talking about.

I tip my hat to your uncanny ability to count frames by eye. That being said, the only *computer*-analyzed video we have at the moment is the "E3 2013 Pre-Production Frame Rate Test:"

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

While it does start out pretty well, sticking at 30 for the most part, at about 5 minutes there are pretty regular drops to 26, 24, and below (first 18fps @ 5:22). It appears to take a hit mostly when there's a long draw distance or when there's 5+ characters on the screen. (which is odd considering there are frequently more than 5 characters on the screen in the early landing sequence, yet that seems to remain stable. Though a fair amount of that is scripted)

I can live with a frame drop here and there... shit, I've played through both Borderlands. Same with upscaling, if it's done well. It's disappointing, but I can live with it. But the point is that in making an investment in a machine (and by effect, in a company), one would want to invest in the more capable hardware. And one that isn't trying to be sold with PR arrogance and misdirection. (and I think it's fair to say that there will obviously be incredible support from a wide spectrum of devs for the PS4)

>>the lead programmer states the particle effects in just the opening scene was more than all the rendering power in Xbox 360.

Scripted events vs dynamic.

>>And by the way the multiplayer looked like SHIT. So I went back to look at the E3 videos of Ryse at any one time during LOD 1 has up to 4+ characters but KZ only had during gameplay 2 characters at LOD 1 there may have been a guy on the ground.

Oh I'm sorry... I didn't realize I was talking to a crazy person.

[ultralow]

can people really tell the differents

[kingduqc]

Don't get so fancy about that, most games will get downgraded to 900p or 720 in the next 3 years on ps4 and xbone.

[Lord-Nicon]

This is like trolling everyone, non of the next-gen game runs as a trully next gen game. The standar should e 1080p and 60 fps, and neither the PS4 nor the Xbox One gets there, except for Forza i think.

[marcofdeath]

Forgive me it's 140,000k polygons per closest character to player, as free same this is only for the main character, you need to go and back and look at the videos of how the game was made and the producer clearly states that all characters closest to the player will have the same fidelity. As far as your comment about 30 FPS the game fact Mark Carey is producing has even worse frame frame rate problems and that's the most simple looking game on the planet. All I'm trying to say at the end of the day the burden of proof is on Sony to show if they can compete with Xbox one games, so far they have not. Please post a link where any credible developer claims Xbox one is 50% weaker. It's all hearsay not a fact.

[t3rrorc3ll]

Give it up it's over this gen. Good luck next time out.

[BX81]

I just watched some off screen footage of ryse being played at comic con and it looked damn good. It was running on the Xbox one unless it was just an Xbox one case. Can anyone tell me the difference between up scaled 1080 and native 1080p? Is it a huge deal? And if the demo looked smooth why is it a big deal that the game is in the 20 something? I'm looking for intelligent answers not fanboys. Thanks for the help.

[Shakengandulf]

Not really sure how to explain what upscaled means but i'll give it a shot.
Basically it will use the next best resolution (most likely 720p) and fill the rest of the pixels using programing, games like gta4 use this and it can make the picture look very blurry. COD also has upscaled 1080p and its very noticable.
When a game upscales, i deselect 1080p and the game will force itself to its native 720p
I believe the consoles should have two options one for runing only native and the other for optional upscaled.
Too many people look at the back of game cases and see 1080p and think is full HD but with these consoles not having the grunt to push out full HD titles, that most likely means upscaled.

[BX81]

K thanks. Bubs