PS4 is 50% More Powerful than Xbox One – I’m not buying it – Yet

Recent reporting suggests that the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One. While many are taking this as factual statement, there are a few things to consider before jumping on the bandwagon.

[ATi_Elite]

The PS4 is NOT 50% more powerful than the XB1. It may be faster but it also has bottlenecks.

The PS4 does have a BETTER GPU than the XB1 FACT.

Too bad most multiplats will ALL look the same no matter the GPU differences.

[Natso]

I don't believe that they'll look the same.

PC multiplats always look better, so why wouldn't the same apply to the PS4?

[Death]

Both the Xbox one and PS4 share the same PC derived AMD combo chips. That doesn't mean either will be as good as a higher end PC. The GPU's are mid grade in both consoles. The also have a max resolution of 1080p unlike a PC monitor that is much greater. The CPU's for each are made for tablets too.

From what I can see, both are nearly the same but take different paths to achieve the same goals. The PS4 uses a higher series GPU and GDDR5 for pooled memory. The GPU is set up to take loads off the CPU which doesn't like graphics memory due to it's non linear nature and latency. The Xbox uses a lower series GPU and slower DDR3 which is great for the CPU, but not so much for the GPU. Their answer was the inclusion of eSram to boost the speed and multiple specialized prcessors to free upthe CPU and GPU. They also have flash ram.

In my opinion, the biggest problem third parties will face is gimping the Xbox version since the PS4 doesn't have the advanced camera/mic the Xbox has. Getting them to use the added features may not be cost efficient. If the PS4 does prove to be more powerful, same thing applies. Third parties may not be able to justify using the power not unlike the way they didn't use Blu-ray this gen to make games longer or in "true hd".

[xHeavYx]

@ Death
You lost me at " the advanced camera/mic the one has"

[M-M]

"PC multiplats always look better, so why wouldn't the same apply to the PS4?"

It's different with consoles, ask Microsoft about that little contract they have.

[MysticStrummer]

@Natso - PC is a different animal, and people with better hardware not only expect to make use of it they complain if they can't. Consoles are a different category, and sadly parity is the name of the game. That's why exclusives make better use of each machine than a multi plat would.

[Thehyph]

That flash memory in Xbox One keeps getting described as memory instead of storage.
Flash memory cannot be used as RAM. Flash has limited read and write cycles. Its purpose in the Xbox One is to store system software/firmware.
It seems some people want to believe that the flash memory will be used as more RAM.
Given how fast even DDR3 can cycle, that flash memory would be useless in no time, and I mean useless. As in, it would have to be pulled from the system and replaced.

[Kleptic]

^well, it 'can' be used as ram...just terribly slow and inefficient ram...page filing storage, to mimic 'virtual' memory, has been around for decades...

[BallsEye]

Because ps4 is not better. You just can't see the full picture...blinded by few numbers.

[GiggMan]

I want to agree with you about multiplats but you got to admit that it's strange we haven't seen any multiplats on X1 hardware this late in the game.

It may not be any means for concern but even the X1 crown jewel multiplat game, TitanFall, hasn't been shown running on Xbox One... I have to see something ran on the system other than KI, Ryse, Forza, and DR3 to agree with you.

[tuglu_pati]

Its not strange at all, if you read all this articles around or even listen to this video, it is stated that MS is way behind with the XBO drivers more than Sony with PS4. That could be a pretty good reason why you haven't seen any multiplatform games running on XBO.

[GiggMan]

@ Tuglu, the driver issue or whatever is hearsay. I can only go on what I see for myself and I think it's still strange. We have seen Battlefield, AC4, Watchdogs and others running on PS4 hardware. It looks great but everyone keeps saying (including MS) that multiplats will look the same on Xbox one. All I'm saying is show me.

I would love to see how BF4 or watchdogs perform running on the Xbox One so I can compare them before launch. I hate to be one of "those" type of guys but maybe something is up and MS doesn't want the Xbox One games running side by side for people to compare.

[tuglu_pati]

That's what im saying if MS is behind on driver that means that the games are not running how they are supposed too. Why would they show an unpolished game? its logical. Im sure will get plenty of comparisons articles, the same way it was this generation so I wouldn't worry about that.

[madpuppy]

what i think is funny is that everybody seems to think that MS is this great software company...but, they are behind Sony in graphic driver development???

shouldn't MS have all the software issues buttoned up and ready with their army of coders and billions of dollars?

[DoubleM70]

Ha..Ha... You just named 3 games. While we haven't seen the PS4 run any games.

[GiggMan]

LOL @ Double... Are you serious? All first party and all the major 3rd party games have been seen running on PS4 hardware.

[objectivePSfan]

Highly doubt multiplats won't utilize the extra power from the ps4. Marcus Nilsson, producer for NFS Rivals agrees, he says,

“What we’re seeing with the consoles are actually that they are a little bit more powerful than we thought for a really long time – especially one of them, but I’m not going to tell you which one. And that makes me really happy. But in reality, I think we’re going to have both those consoles pretty much on parity – maybe one sticking up a little bit. And I think that one will look as good as the PC.”

[Sitdown]

Nothing about that quote suggests he is talking about the ps4......if you want to get technical, one could think he was talking about the xbox one. All along everyone has been chanting the power of the ps4......so him saying it being more powerful than they thought for a while seems a little of.......unless talking about the extra 4g brought into the equation.

[allformats]

Here's the deal:

One console's 50 percent more powerful and $100 cheaper with WAY more exclusives and WAY more independent titles.

The other is $100 more costly, 50 percent weaker, and have a much weaker roster of games.....

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

[Death]

For the extra $100 you also get a camera and built in mic that has some pretty outstanding capabilities.

Way more indies? Don't those indie titles kind of defeat the purpose of a more powerful console? Not sure how indies are such a plus these days. As for "more" exclusives, if they all appeal to you then that is awesome. At the end of the day I'm not sure if the PS3 had more exclusives I cared about. It's pretty much a wash for me. As for the entire more power debate, 50%? I believe that as much as I believe the specs that say the Xbox one is faster than the PS4. I'm waiting to see the games before I make up my mind.

Get the system that has more of the games you want to play. You really can't go wrong that way.

[BG11579]

@death, for me and until now no game in the line-up has justified paying 100$ more for a console just besause of kinect. At this point it is just a gimmick that no game will make me like it. Plus I still remember the Prism scandal.
So no, I'not paying 100 $ more for a weaker console because of gimmicks.

[MysticStrummer]

"Way more indies? Don't those indie titles kind of defeat the purpose of a more powerful console?"

I know it's a common human trait to ignore the lessons of history, but MS fans seem to be worse than average in that regard. You really think Sony is going to concentrate on indies for the PS4 to the detriment of AAA titles? That thought process is just bizarre to me.

[HammadTheBeast]

@Death

I'd say Indies are easily taking advantage of the power:

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-con...

The game play looks even better.

[Angels3785]

and has a paywall....

[awesomeperson]

Actually, if one is 50% more powerful, the other is 33% weaker ;)

All I know is I can't wait to get my hands on my PS4 come November!

Anyone denying the power difference is clearly delusional. Even Microsoft don't deny there is a hardware disparity between the two consoles.

[H0RSE]

@awesomeperson

"Anyone denying the power difference is clearly delusional. Even Microsoft don't deny there is a hardware disparity between the two consoles."

- OMG, are we still on this?...It isn't about denying whether or not PS4 is more powerful than the X1. Like the guy said in the vid:

"I can tell you right now, I can look at games on both the Xbox and the Playstation, and they both look phenomenal. I don't see a 50% difference by any means. So I don't think there's a whole lot of people arguing that the Playstation 4 ISN'T more powerful than the Xbox One, but to sit there and just flat-out say it's 50% more powerful, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless you can back it up, and at this point, they're not backing it up, so I'll believe it whenever I see it."

The argument is less about PS4 being more powerful than X1, and more about what does that translate to? If that means PS4 gets an extra 3-5fps, that's not much to write home about...until players can play the games for themselves, we're all at the mercy of the media.

[DoubleM70]

Here is another one.

I only cared about games from Naughty Dog, and God of War. Uhhmm that's basically six games I cared about on my PS3. While on my 360 I had The Halo series the Gears of War series the Mass Effect series, The BioShock series. The Ninja Gaiden Series. All of those games were first on the 360.

I want deny the PS4 is going to sale a ton at $100 cheaper. Although I like the Xbox1 features alot more for my family.

[showtimefolks]

who cares guys, enjoy whichever console you choose. i am more excited for sony's 1st party studios but nothing wrong with buying xbox one and enjoy some of its exclusive offering

do we really need articles like this everyday so say which console is more powerful?

also let's wait till we get the consoles so we can test them for our self

[FamilyGuy]

"most multiplats will ALL look the same"

That's not necessarily true. There was something mentioned recently how the PS4s RAM will help in preventing things like texture pop-in, increase draw distances and even have shorter loading times when compared to the X1.

What this guy is saying and we all should be doing is just to "wait and see". It's only a couple months from the home stretch now. If one system is better at something than the other we'll have concrete confirmation of that soon enough (for those that really care).

Power isn't everything, there's tons of other reason I prefer the PS4 over the X1 so this debate isn't the be-all end-all of this discussion anyway.

[Hicken]

What bottlenecks does the PS4 have that would prevent it from flexing its GPU muscle over the XB1? EVERYTHING has bottlenecks, but by all accounts, those in the PS4 are significantly less than you'd expect, and could even be less than in the XB1.

There are differences in the multiplats with the current gen. There will be differences between the XB1/PS4 and Wii U. And if the PS4 is as easy to develop for as they say, while being as powerful as they say, there WILL be differences.

[Death]

Biggest bottle neck is the CPU. Both consoles have the same Jaguar derived CPU. It is designed for tablets. A shared memory pool creates issues too. CPU's don't care for graphics memory. The GPU in the PS4 is going to help the CPU with calculations which is a plus. The down side of that is it will have less resources to use in graphics when doing so.

The PS4 is easier to program than thePS3 was. Not necessarily easier than the Xbox One. Both are the same basic PC derived architecture. The difference is in how the shared memory pool was addressed. Sony went with GDDR5 and lets the GPU help the CPU so latency is not a factor. Microsoft went with DDR3 which is great for the CPU and added the esram and flash memory along with specialized processors to speed things up on the GPU side. The released specs from each company are pretty similar.

[BitbyDeath]

'The PS4 is easier to program than thePS3 was. Not necessarily easier than the Xbox One.'

Do keep up. PS4 is by far much easier to program for than the Xbone.

ATVI was doing the CoD: Ghosts port to nextgen. It took three weeks for PS4 and came out at 90 FPS unoptimized, and four months on Xbone and came out at 15 FPS."

[MysticStrummer]

"The PS4 is easier to program than thePS3 was. Not necessarily easier than the Xbox One."

PS4 was designed by devs. A memory setup similar to One's was considered... and rejected. The One isn't going to be as difficult to program as PS3 was, but it's definitely more convoluted than PS4.

[Dark_king]

@Death The PS4 is easier to program for then the XB1 there are no questions about that.You said it yourself
"Sony went with GDDR5 and lets the GPU help the CPU so latency is not a factor."
"Microsoft went with DDR3 which is great for the CPU and added the esram and flash memory along with specialized processors to speed things up on the GPU side. The released specs from each company are pretty similar."

Far more hoops to jump through on the XB1 to get close to the same performance.

[svoulis]

The only reason i cant agree with you ATi_Elite, is because the only multiplatform games we've seen are infact running on PC or PS4.

The Division, Destiny, WatchDogs, AC IV all on PS4.

COD Ghost was shown on PC (not Xbox One like they want people to believe)

BF4 was shown on PC and PS4.

Where is the Xbox One footage for multiplatform games?

That is an indication that either A) PS4 is the best possible version for consoles and developers would rather take that route or B) Devs didnt have any playable demos ready to show on Xbox One.

Just food for thought here.

[Death]

You haven't seen unsigned code running on a PS4. The PS4 debug units look identical to the retail version according to FCC filings. The Xbox One can run unsigned code on debug units or PC's with the debug software. A retail unit can't run pre-release software. I'm surprised so many people aren't aware of this. The 360 got it's start on Apple G5's.

[svoulis]

Ya "Debug units". You mean the kind that crash and go to windows 7 or windows 8 desktop? You mean the kind that have NO Xbox One UI?

You mean the kind where devs have been willingly admitting to what games are showcased where?

Ubisoft admitted that 2012 E3 footage was in fact a PC. They also went onto insure that the PS4 version is in fact running on the PS4.

Zombie Studios just showed off their game Blacklight Retribution running on the PS4.

Major Nelson promised Xbox fans a chance to see BF4 running on Xbox One hardware. Only to find out it was actually running on PCs.

Ubisoft confirmed that the PS4 was the platform they were showcasing AC IV on.

Infinity Ward admitted the COD GHOST multiplayer reveal (sponsored by Xbox) was ran on PCs with modified controller input (To allow for aim assist like consoles do).

Bungie was pleased to announce it was in fact running in real-time on the PS4 not a PC debug system.

Thats just a few. I wont post links but you can go use google to your hearts content.

All I am simply saying is that it is very suspicious of Microsoft to not be "flexing" their muscle. They keep talking how great there system is and how PS4's "Raw performance" wont matter, yet they haven't really backed it up.

They should start showing side by side gameplay to relieve any stress Xbox fans may have.

@DEATH Clearly you are grasping at straws here. MICROSOFT hasn't PROVEN anything to GAMERS. They just keep talking and tweeting garbage, they haven't shown us the actual comparisons of the 2. TO add to this.

Why aren't devs showing Xbox One versions of 3rd party games? Also If Microsoft console was so capable of competing with PS4, WHY did they overclock it over 1 entire weekend.

You have lots of opinions, they all point to Xbox, which is fine. But seriously don't kid yourself. PROOF IS PROOF. Opinions are like as*holes, everyone has one.

[scofios]

I see a lot of damage controle by butthurt people.

[user7402931]

just admit it, just cause ps4 is way better than xbone that doesn't mean you can't enjoy xbone. i have a ps3 and still play ps2 games on it ;p

do yourself

a

big

favor

and

accept

it.

[sonarus]

even if the two systems were equally matched the fact is that the only game on xbox one that looks worthwhile is titan fall and thats next yr. PS4 may not have any great games but i know i will enjoy killzone shadow fall as well as some other free to play titles and at 100 dollars less and i won't need to pile on another bull shit kinnect system

[H0RSE]

You don't have to pile on a " bull shit kinnect system" with the current X1. Like the headset the systems come bundled with, using the Kinect is optional.

[sonarus]

but i already have kinnect that i don't use why would i want another one?

[Kakashi Hatake]

360 had a slightly better GPU and was easier to develop for. This caused slightly better multiplats for 360. But when it's a PS console that has a hefty advantage, the games are going to look the same huh? You're just another butthurt Xbox fan in denial.

[JP1369]

Ha! Name one of these supposed bottlenecks. If anything, the X1 with its complicated memory system that requires manual fill and flush of eSRAM will have more bottlenecks than a machine with a more powerfull GPU, more pipelines and a unified memory pool.

[dantesparda]

"X1 is 50% Weaker than PS4 – I’m not buying it – Ever!"

And bottlenecks? What like the eSRAM or the weaker GPU, or lesser RAM bandwidth? People are so sad its not even funny. PS4 is more powerful, face it!

[Rimeskeem]

It might not make the graphics better but it will make the game smoother

[jessupj]

"Too bad most multiplats will ALL look the same no matter the GPU differences."

Oh? You've spoken to all the devs have you concerning this issue have you?

All the evidence is pointing to much better PS4 multiplats. If you can't deal with that, stop being stubborn and buy a PS4 instead.

[ZHZ90]

I have a feeling after we see the really big difference between the power of PS4 and Xbone, some or alot of Xbox fans will regret for buying Xbone instead of PS4.

They(some or alot of Xbox fans) will stay deniel until they see it through there eyes.

+Bubble for well said.

[Blackdeath_663]

if only one component on the ps4 is faster while the rest are worse than the XBone then yeah fair enough i get this bottleneck argument but that isn't the case not only is the GPU faster so is the RAM (also there's more of it) and the CPU.

[GamerXD]

Bottlenecks? What? It's not just an AMD APU, Sony semi-customized it to eliminate bottlenecks. Now you really deserve those disagrees.

[noctis_lumia]

i dont care about multiplats we all know which exclusives games will look better....playstation nuff said.

[sephiroth420]

hahah i dont understand why you got all the disagrees, it would make microsoft look seriously stupid if the ps4 was 50% more powerful, the ps4 is definately better, but nowhere near 50%

[BallsEye]

@N4GBeVerySmart

Lets believe in every PR word Cenry says but let's keep on saying MS representatives lie all the time. You guys...

[hankmoody]

Look how many disagrees you're getting. It's amazing how people willingly deny facts and rational thinking.

[DeadlyFire]

No its not 50% more powerful. Maybe 15-30%.

Bottlenecks are alot smaller on the PS4. Sure some are there as they always are.

Hot chips demoed 1BX GPU with only 13.5 Gigapixels a second. If PS4 GPU is based off of 7850 then it starts with 27.5 Gigapixels a second before you embed it. This figure is mostly speed, but usually more detail is squeezed into the higher end cards. Typically its the resolution that benefits the most. PSVita did 4 Gigapixels and PS3/X360 did 4.4 Gigapixels. They were pretty even. Compared to the Vita there is a tad of a difference graphically.

Sure they will look almost the same cross both platforms, but the extra room for more detail + more frames is there for developers if they chose to use it on the PS4. Sure they might not, but alot of developers are developing engines that are used across their whole IP library that is tailored for each platform for easier ports and better games with less flaws. EA, Bethesda/Zenimax/id, Square Enix, Konami, and so on and so forth. :)

[waljaber]

IGN=Micro$oft.

[ZHZ90]

PS4 IS 50% MORE POWERFUL IS A FACT AND MULTIPLATS WILL LOOK BETTER ON PS4 THAN ON XBONE.

That doesn't mean you love Xbox, MS, Kinect and Halo you should spread lies and false information. And doesn't mean PS4 is more powerful is a fact you shouldn't enjoy Xbox.

Just do yourself a favor and deal with it unless if you can't just buy PS4 instead of Xbone or buy PS4 along Xbone and enjoy both.
Just stop being stubborn, it'll make your life better.

[TrevorPhillips]

I'm turned off by these articles seriously. I'm just going to buy both consoles and enjoy gaming, just like we normally should be doing just like we've always did.

[LOGICWINS]

Wish there were more people like you on this site. I thought the software was the priority in gaming. Neither console is a slacker hardwarewise, so I don't see the point of this debate.

[viveks86]

I think the point of the debate is for consumers primarily interested in multi-platform games to be able to choose the console that they can feel confident about having the best experience available for the price. Not everyone can afford both (or all 3 if Wii U is to be considered).

Having said that, I don't see the point having the debate without verified sources. It seems like reporting on rumors and secretive insiders has become the new form of sensational gaming journalism

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Yeah, it's not like difference is equivalent to a Wii-PS360 like gap. Pointless argument since the difference is minimal.

[viveks86]

@Outside_ofthe_Box

I feel the argument is valid as long as there is an actual credible source making the argument (and we don't know that right now). As a consumer, if you were to buy a TV, and everything seems the same, but one has better power rating and slightly better contrast, would you not be interested in understanding those differences so you make an informed decision? Small differences are still worthy of comparison, if done right.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@viveks86

Apples to oranges comparison. TVs =/= Gaming consoles.

What will ultimately make people decide on which console to get is the games given that difference in power isn't that huge. If it were as huge as the Wii compared to HD consoles this gen then the power debate would be worthy of the attention it's getting now.

I bet that most people planning on getting the PS4 wouldn't start canceling their preorders if we were to find out tommorow that the XB1 is 50% more powerful than the PS4. Why? because MS doesn't have Naughty Dog nor Quantic Dream nor Gran Turismo etc. The games are what's keeping people tied to the console. Just as those that currently only have the XB1 preordered have done so because the PS4 doesn't have Halo nor Titianfall nor Quantum Break nor Killer Instinct etc.

Sorry but power means jack squat when the difference is small. What would truly make people shift is if one of their favorite franchises was no longer available on their current platform anymore. The people that truly decide based on power are in the minority among minorities.

[viveks86]

@Outside_ofthe_Box

I did not "compare" TVs to consoles. I gave an analogy.

I totally agree with everything you said, except for the last point. Power becomes important when all other factors are equal. Let's say you are primarily interested only in a multi-platform competitive multiplayer game, say Battlefield. If someone tells you one system would give a smooth 60 FPS, while the other can have occasional frame drops, which would hinder gameplay, would you "the Battlefield fan" not be interested in knowing the difference? You can't tell me that's a "minority among minorities". Take it further, let's say you are into e-sports and you are a gaming professional, wouldn't that minor difference mean anything to you?

Bottom line is that people should be allowed to choose based on all facts in front of them. You or I cannot assume what matters for the rest of the world.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@viveks86

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to choose based on all the facts. I'm just saying that games are the most important factor especially when the difference in power isn't huge and that power is way less important when difference is small. Sure, power becomes more important when all things are equal, but that goes without saying. And things aren't equal as far as software is concerned. Sony's lineup and the potential their future lineup can bring is definitely not equal to MS's lineup and what their future lineup can bring to the table especially since everyone has their own opinions on what appeals to them.

The specific cases you mentioned are extremely specific hence why they're in the minority. How many people of the 100s of millions of gamers only play Battlefield or do e-sports? If you only play multiplatform titles then I agree power no matter how small will always be an important factor in your decision making, but other than that exclusive software will always the main deciding factor. If the PS4 was less powerful than the XB1 most wouldn't cancel their purchase based on that alone because that would be silly (unless the difference is huge of course).

[Bathyj]

I would get an Xbone, I have nother against the hardware, I dont care if its less powerful.

Microsoft on the other hand.... Dont trust them, and no longer wish to support them. If a you keep getting your hands burnt, eventually you have to pull your hand out of the fire.

Thats my position on why Ive supported both their other machines, but wont this time. If the way they treat people doesnt bother you, then enjoy.

[zero_gamer]

Exactly, I don't really care how good a system is hardware wise or its games. It's MS and that is all I need to know.

[yellowgerbil]

I'm buying it, literally

[ABeastNamedTariq]

Alrighty. I'm just going to enjoy Killzone and Battlefield (and more) on Nov. 15th. Continue talking about numbers. Go ahead, carry on. Spend all your time on the Internet guys, instead of actually playing games, or at least, watching Breaking Bad (what an episode...). Lol.

[dp277407]

Thanks for the reminder lol.

[jaren92]

Why are people always worried about what consoles faster or more powerful why can't we just enjoy gaming and welcome the next generation the next 10 years of gaming for what it is going to be instead of always hating

[objectivePSfan]

Because this is the internet...

[MasterCornholio]

"Why are people always worried about what consoles faster or more powerful"

Because some people only want to buy one and they want the console that will provide them with the smoothest gaming experience. Exclusives matter a lot but so do multiplats which make up the majority of a consoles library (unless its a Nintendo console)

[MRMagoo123]

exactly, not everyone can get both, not everyone wants both, some ppl dont even like some companies because of the way they go about their business. Its not black and white hippy land, if i had to choose one because of budget it would be the ps4 because of obvious reasons, but luckily i have enough money to get what i want lol..........but saying that i am still only getting a ps4 because of the hardware, the games sony always brings and because sony dont lie about every single fu#king thing they say.

[NatureOfLogic]

The question is, If PS4 and Xbox One was switched in the title, would you buy it then. It seems to me people just have a very hard time dealing with the fact that Xbox One is weaker than PS4. The only reason I can think of someone being in denial or hoping It's not true, is if they only plan to get Xbox One and not PS4. Ask yourself this, who does not want a 50% more powerful console if they plan to own both or at least that 50% more powerful console?

[tuglu_pati]

I don't think the problem is the PS4 been more powerful, but the claim that is a generation ahead. I'm a Xbox enthusiast (I do own a PS3 though) and i know for a fact the PS4 is more powerful, but by how much is the question?

[Death]

If you believe the specs are accurate, why do you ignore the Microsoft released specs? According to them the Xbox One is faster. It is the fans that say Microsoft is lying. Kojima was impressed in the hardware and Kinect. When did he quit being a credible developer?

The 7800 series GPU is faster than the 7700. GDDR5 is faster than DDR3. If we were comparing just GPU's, then yes the PS4 is faster. When we factor in CPU's, the Xbox One has the advantage in speed and memory since CPU's like DDR3 since they don't like latency and compute in a linear fashion. You are also throwing out the esram and additional flash memory.

Fans are cherry picking the information they want to believe which isn't realistic.

[MysticStrummer]

"According to them the Xbox One is faster."

You said it yourself.

According to MS, the One is faster.

According to devs, the PS4 is faster.

Hmmm...

[tuglu_pati]

@MysticStrummer

what devs? Anonymous... I haven't seen any games from this devs.

The only real devs who said anything was talking about development speed. Im not saying PS4 is not more powerful. But lets talk with facts and not anonymous and please don't bring up any dev who isn't actually working on both consoles.

[svoulis]

You really just like punishment don't you.

People will give you what you want. Thats a given' yet you really think...that Microsoft would actually come out and say "Hey guy's you know what you're right! PS4 is in fact better, go get one"

NO NEVER.

The only people we can trust and believe are the ones who make the games.. DEVELOPERS. Oh and any type of proof you know..like side by side comparisons. Cause out of them all the PS4 exclusives outshine Xbox One games in terms of Graphics.

It'd be easier to prove if Microsoft released mroe then pre-rendered footage, or gameplay that runs at 20fps.

[user7402931]

people dont like facts

[Ohlmay]

Who cares which console is faster or more powerful, it's the gameplay that matters. Crysis is a perfect example.

[starchild]

I mostly agree with your first sentence, disagree with the second. The Crysis games are good games. Just because they have fantastic graphics and aren't the most amazing games ever it has become popular to act like the Crysis games suck or are mediocre.

Crysis = 91
Crysis Warhead = 84
Crysis 2 = 86
Crysis 3 = 76

Those metacritic averages represent good games, not crappy or mediocre games. Individual taste may vary of course, but we can't use our own opinions as facts. Many reviewers and gamers obviously do enjoy the Crysis games. Personally I don't like them as much as games like Bioshock Infinite or Far Cry 3, but they are still enjoyable to me.

Also, while I agree that gameplay is paramount, graphics are still very important. They can greatly enhance the atmosphere and believability of a game. I'm playing Outlast lately on the PC and it looks incredible. I honestly don't think the experience of the game would draw me in and affect me as much if the visuals weren't so damn realistic.

[H0RSE]

"Also, while I agree that gameplay is paramount, graphics are still very important. They can greatly enhance the atmosphere and believability of a game."

I think you are confusing graphics with aesthetics. Actually, when comparing games and claiming one is better looking than the other, I think a lot of people are confusing these two or using them interchangeably. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Arcanine]

your lost buddy!

[starchild]

The PS4 is more powerful based on everything we have to go on. We dont' know exactly how much more powerful because there are a lot more factors than just the amount of shader cores in the GPUs.

I think PS4 versions of multiplats WILL have some advantages. I don't agree with those that say there won't be.

That said, both consoles are going to have plenty enough power to be enjoyable, and neither console has enough power to compete with the visuals on PC, so I really don't know why there is so much fighting on this subject.

[Mikelarry]

Because ms went on a forum to try and discourage the topic and made matters worse (as they normally do), if this never happened we would not be getting 4 articles about this same subject everyday

[GamingTruth]

unfortunately exclusives will always say otherwise thats why ill never get a pc

[starchild]

Huh? Exclusives don't say otherwise. Exclusives are exclusives. Sometimes they look great, sometimes they look bad, and sometimes they look average. In the end, though, they are only available on the platform they are exclusive to, so there is nothing to compare.

I also don't understand why you act like exclusives only exist on the console you prefer. Every platform has its own exclusives. I'm getting a PS4 for its exclusives, but there is no way in hell I would have wanted to miss out on all the amazing PC exclusives I have played this generation.

ALL platforms have exclusives and it is merely a matter of taste as to which ones appeal most to a person.

[H0RSE]

Not sure why you say this, because PC has more exclusives than both systems combined. They are also the king when it comes to indie titles.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[XtraTrstrL]

PS4 is more powerful, it's somewhere between 30-50% going by any/all the spec details. Denying the fact doesn't change the fact. It doesn't mean you can't go out and buy an Xbone, whichever one has the exclusives and features you want - you get.

[Godmars290]

Shouldn't it be about games, not power?

[LordMaim]

PS4 excels in both.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

***"Shouldn't it be about games, not power?"***

Egg-zacklee!

[ZHZ90]

I think it should be about games and power at same time.

[strigoi814]

Even if its 10% it still something to talk about

[tuglu_pati]

agree, even if is 10%, it still more powerful. There is always going to be a most powerful console each generation and for this generetion is the PS4 even if it is for a small margin.

[BitbyDeath]

MS already admitted it so why bang on about it?

http://n4g.com/news/1353972...

[Rageanitus]

Console X is Faster than Console Y because someone said so...

Can we just not WAIT and find out when it comes out when we do actual real benchmarks. Its the same BS that goes around from developers where it says they only tapped into X percentage of the consoles power and then all a sudden the community gets into heated battles of a developer being lazy etc etc.

Just look at the VITA before it was released ppl said it is as powerful as a PS3... its been almost 2 years..... the PS3 is MUCH more powerful.

Same goes with the xbox when it was compared to PC gaming back in the days .....

Ppl should just wait and see and pass judgement, do ppl realize this is just viral marketing spreading like wildfire and all this is based on non concrete facts.

[worldwidegaming]

Prediction? I believe it will be business as usual!
From band wagon to sinking ship before spring 14' ending off with damage control and cool trailers all summer! "hungry people will eat just about anything!" you been starving since winter 13'
Then gasp, games drop holiday 14'!
(because thats when the good games come out!.) hey wait, this sounds like nintendo all overA,
This is like believing WWE is is still real! Come on!
When we get our hands on a real console and play a REAL game on said console
Then we can lay judgement! Gamers these days are like the people who believed the
Earth was flat because someone said so! Go find out for yourself with your own eyes.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Of course it's not nothing but lies and propaganda. If anyone knows this ridiculous rumour started way back in January before any hardware was revealed.
The guy in the video speaks the trutj ignore those rumours from anonmous sources.

[FamilyGuy]

Yeah when the information about the system specs and other details were leaked. It was claimed to be a rumor back then but by E3 everything that was said was true. So.... that only helps this arguments validity.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Christ Sakes dude the x1 games looked so much better than ps4s at e3. It didn't solidify any argument at all.

[Kryptix]

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[MasterCornholio]

@FrigidDarkness
"Christ Sakes dude the x1 games looked so much better than ps4s at e3"

And in my opinion PS4 games look much better than XBOX One games at gamescom.

Now who is right?

I just proved to you that your opinions dont matter.

How do you feel?

The day that this stupid argument over which one is superior will end: 22/11/2013

[jessupj]

If you're so desperately hoping the PS4 isn't significantly more powerful that than the Xbone, why not just get a PS4?

I personally can't wait for nest gen to start and for all the truth to come out. There's going to be a lot of furious MS fanboys on this site then.

I wonder what the excuse will be then?

[VforVideogames]

About time somebody says something about this 50% crap.

[FlameHawk]

Of course this guy is going to say that, he is more of a Xbox fanboy, even his subscribers say that to him if you read his comment and he doesn't even own a PS3.

[Holeran]

I got rid of my 360 after it red ringed on me for the second time and went with a PS3 until now. I own over 150 physical PS3 titles and 40+ downloadable titles. Am I stupid enough to believe PS4 is going to be 50%,40%, or 30% more powerful than XBOX1, no, but I am bargaining that in the end it is less expensive and more powerful in the long run.

[5h4h4b]

Http://img4.joyreactor.com/...

[Agent1]

I blame "EDGE MAGAIZINE" for starting all this shit. In other words, I want real neutral information regarding next gen when I am reading a game magazine. No need for anybody here to read a magazine that is complete bias. You'll never get the real truth then. The consoles have not even come out yet for any "anonymous dev" to even make that kind of assumption. If you actually read the EDGE article, the devs even stated that they are "NOT YET FAMILAIR WITH ALL THE HARDWARE", so how the hell can they come out with this assumption? That statement alone is already contradicting, and completely makes me want to question "EDGE MAGAIZINE" on how they get their resources. Including the part where they talked about the X1 being faster then PS4 in other aspects. So, are you telling me then that the X1 is 50% faster in that aspect of the hardware? MAKES NO SENSE at all if you read and understood the article.

[u got owned]

Edge is as sensationalist as any other journalist magazine. I don't think they have any bias, they just create article which will generate them hits to their website.

[Belking]

2 more weeks people..... and no ps4 isn't 50% more faster or 50% more powerful... Sorry but the numbers just don't go that way....lol

[MysticStrummer]

"more faster"

You seem like you would know all about it.

I'm convinced.

/s

[5h4h4b]

Belking, are you still waiting for some dgpu to show up. ROFL. Keep dreaming , if that makes you feel a bit secure.

[user7402931]

denile

[ziggurcat]

yes... 2 more weeks until it's revealed that a secret NDA didn't actually exist, and none of the things misterx was spouting was actually true.

[jessupj]

I don't want to sound petty, but it's going to be so so sweet when the console are released, the real truth is out and MS fanboys can't hide behind anything.

So so sweet.

[Kryptix]

The NDA that hides the fact that the PS4 has a huMA architecture that gives it an advantage over the Xbox One.

On August 22, AMD retracted that statement with a no comment though they admitted the PS4 is more powerful before then. I'm guessing the NDA covers anything that implicates the PS4 is more powerful.

http://www.psu.com/a020686/...

That or there's no NDA since developers are already saying the PS4 is the more superior console.

[joeorc]

I will be glad to hear all the advancements that Microsoft tweaked in their hardware. Just like Sony is doing right now for the ps4. It will be great to see what each company has done. To increase performance of each platform.

[NateCole]

Another one?. This is already past stupid.

[Izzy408]

I know what you mean. I feel the same way every time I see a post claiming that the PS4 is more powerful than the X1.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

"Recent reporting suggests that the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One."

No, actually it's not. And having this myth which has alredy been disproven show up on the front page of N4G again proves this is more than mere disinformation, this is marketing, plain and simple.

[DoubleM70]

Yup! It sure is MultiConsole Gamer.

[jah-Fu]

Can't wait til these both drop in Nov so thumbs can be pulled from butts. So tired of this empty vapid crap. I'd rather listen to a stork queef. And i hate storks goddamnit.

[ziggurcat]

you know it makes me really sad when it's said time, and time again that the PS4 is more powerful, yet you have delusional fools over at misterx saying that not only does xbone's DDR3 RAM act like 2014 DDR4 PC RAM, but that the xbone is 2 - 3 time more powerful...

sadder still, there are people here that believe the garbage posted on misterx's blog...

[cabbitwithscissors]

You know with all the talk on bottlenecks, these guys forget one important thing that the PS4 has over the xbone, and that is the PS4 has no bottleneck on the programming and time to implement.

Games are going to be coming hard and fast on the PS4 compared to the xbone. Only problem is that the multi-platforms are going to be held back just because they need to launch it on both platforms simultaneously.

This is one bottleneck I'd love to see them argue against.

[DoubleM70]

Why would think that when XB1 is designed around Direct X11.1 All the next generation Engines sits on top of Direct x11.1 Unreal 4 CryEngine 3 FrostBite, Unity. PS4 uses OpenGL/ Free BSD, which is similar Linux.

Study up!

[josephayal]

%50 moar powerful? holy crap

[Godmars290]

All i know - suspect - is that if the XB1 had the advantage, v-bloggers such as this guy would be talking it up as solid fact and reason to but the console. Not the wait and see or its no big deal.

[ZBlacktt]

Came in, saw clown playing COD. Opinions means very very very very little to me now. Didn't even care to watch anymore then that. Not like I cared to begin with. Who cares....

Another thing, why is Ubisoft ALWAYS using a PS4 to show off their games? Watch Dogs, AC4 BF both look totally out of this world stunning. Bungie shows off Destiny every time on a PS4.

[brew]

Those companies have exclu$ive deals with Sony. Those games will be getting extra content on PS4 , and Sony will be heavily advertising those games.

[ZBlacktt]

That does not mean you use the Dev kit and the controllers in the production and build of the game. Which these Devs are doing.

More then aware of the content. But they are using in throughout the process. Even Dice is using it on BF4.

[lifeisgamesok]

When the Xbox One is fully revealed with updated specs including gpu and specialized processors it will be more powerful than the Ps4

Mark my words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ziggurcat]

it's already been fully revealed.

they've already shown the first xbones off of the assembly line, so the specs aren't going to be better than what we already know. there's no need to continue your denial

http://n4g.com/news/1354140...

and assuming you're getting your information from misterx (who seems to be the "source" all you delusional twits are getting their information from these days), you're going to be in for a big surprise when none of it is true (just like everything else misterx has claimed).

[lifeisgamesok]

Ok since you know the full specs tell me what the 15 specialized processors that were shown at Hotchips can do

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Man I feel bad for you,. Delusion is a hell of a drug.

[Izzy408]

The same thing goes through my mind every time a Piss4 fanboy talks about 50% more power.

[Villz85]

..and yet you jump all over a post like this... 50% more powerful?? Yawn!

[Silly gameAr]

Just can't seem to let it go.

[Harmonizer]

Multiplatform games looking the same? i doubt it.

Target platform is gonna be PC (because of hardware similarity) and they'll scale it down to match the hardware of the consoles. Guess what, XBONE has to be scaled down further than the PS4 unless the developer is outright castrating the PS4 version to match te XBONE version.

[madjedi]

Actually that is the way development should be done, since it's all roughly the same hardware.

And no publisher with a brain in his head will dare try and intentionally gimp the ps4 version to match the xbone for 3 reasons.

1st if it ever got out that a publisher was doing that they would see a substantial drop off in video game sales by pissed off gamers.

2nd they still have to compete against other 3rd party and 1st party games, ea doesn't want bf 4 to look like dogshit on the ps4 compared to killzone ect.

3rd it's a whole new ball game ms can't really enforce shit atm, neither console has any install base so no leverage.

What is ms going to do block activision or ea games on it's console for not playing ball. Not with all the momentum so heavily tipped in sony favor. The last thing ms needs to do atm is rock the boat.

[madjedi]

Exactly why are ms fans surprised the xbone is weaker?

Did all of you forget the tv, tv, sports, call of duty reveal?

The specs alone should prove the xbone's inferiority. Think how has ms's first party support been the last 3-4 yrs, halo, forza and fable(gears is third party).

No one is saying that the xbone will a worthless system and it will never have good games, what i am saying is stop thinking power or even gaming is ms's first priority with the xbone.

Ms specificly said they are not targeting the highest lvl of graphics out there.

A gaming console was a secondary concern to ms when designing the console, if not lower. Really considering ms's focus on kinect and the mentality of fuck it let the third parties cover them the last 4 or 5 yrs. Why is anyone really surprised by this.

I suggests you ms guys grow some thick skin or stay off n4g, because after boasting about your superior multiplatform all this gen, turn about is fair play.

If ms had a game that looked as good as killzone or infamous it wouldn't be picked on as much.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

Im standing by my principles, never support a company who want to rape you in the ass, no matter what the specs are

[unicron7]

Precisely why I'm getting a PS4. I'm not stupid and know exactly what Microsoft just tried to pull. Wish the others on here would wise up as well.

[Kaiou]

My PC got the "Power" department covered really well .For me it's always about the games, i bought the N64 for Pokemon , Dreamcast for Shenmu , Gamecube for Resident Evil 1 , PS for Tekken , PS2 for FFX , Xbox 1 for Ninja Gaiden , Gameboy advance for Golden Sun , DS & 3DS for pokemon, Wii for Fatal Frame & Super Smash , Xbox 360 for BlueDragon/Lost Oddessy , PS3 for Tales of Series and other JRPGs.

[kakashi81]

that's why I brought my games as well.

[urwifeminder]

50% more hey nah still don't want one.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

because its not made by corporate America right?

[urwifeminder]

Nah its cause it is made by sony I don't like them.

[Tzuno]

i am curious to see wich console consumes more power meaning more overheat :)

[Villz85]

Sony have already redesigned the casing because of overheating... When I first saw the shape of it I just thought... that thing will melt!!

[Villz85]

ZZZZZzzzzz These two consoles are not even out yet and every little thing that's mentioned by devs, pubs and media have mountains built from molehills.

First of all it's development speeds mentioned not system speed ... Do you honestly believe Microsoft would allow their console to be 50% slower??

And it;s been mainly EDGE who reported this.. the most unreliable Sony biased magazine ever.. I bought one copy and all i saw was marketing product placement BS!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Come 29th November (Europe release of PS4) we will all know for sure, until then, no one knows.

[Sadist3]

Finally an article where someone makes sense. What I've been saying all along, no one has a PS4 or X1 yet so no one knows what a power difference can be. It can be one game loads a second faster than the other, or one game has darker reds than the other. Until the systems come out, there is nobody that knows what differences will translate into gameplay. I swear if some anonymous developer said the PS4 can fly, people would believe it. I'll believe this 50% more power theory when I see it translate into gameplay, and right now I don't see it. So I'll be purchasing both systems on their launch date and I'll see for myself if there is a difference.

[Hitman0769]

Fanboy Armageddon - arguing over parts they don't understand just like PS3 v 360 before they came out. You guys gamers or debaters? Really, I mean this as a serious question not a rhetorical retort. Do you really think "power" is going to save the AAA businesses that can't even make a profit off of multiple millions of sales? Hopefully you all see the light before it's too late and embrace the creativity and originality of Indie games that aren't subject to the bureaucracy of the corporate machine world that seems to have lost it's skill, art, and logic entirely at this point (that goes for all the majors, not just your favorite one to hate on).

[hankmoody]

There should be a "powered by Sony" blurb under the site logo.

It's crazy how when Sony issues a statement, it's viewed as complete truth but the moment an MS rep says something, it's a lie or some sort of PR spin. Just FYI, Sony pulled the biggest spin of all by "giving gamers what they wanted" at E3. Standing back and making announcements after seeing the initial reactions from the audience to the Xbox One is PURE spin. Can't wait to get both consoles. Happy I can afford it and not have to throw my support behind only one side.

[PsychoSupaman]

Whatever, getting an Xbox because that's what "I" like! Plus everything looks great on my huge as 4k tv! Why do ppl even care what others buy with they're hard earned money?!

[unicron7]

Just give it up already. It's 50% more powerful. That's the plain cold hard truth. But by all means, keep beating a dead horse.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/...

[DoubleM70]

I think people have beef with it this time around because of the Internet is making a big deal out of it. Sony fanboys is throwing it Xbox fans face. The PS3 was more powerful last time.

[unicron7]

It was more powerful, but also hard to develop for. This time around it's easy to dev and has more raw power. Which means, 3rd party titles will look/perform better on it and it's exclusives will most likely outshine that of the competitions. It's easy to see why so many people are hyped for the PS4.

Better hardware at $100 cheaper. That's a deal in itself.

[saber00005]

NOT BEING BIAS! But we'll see who has the better game system in several years. Until then, time will only tell.

[viperz21]

you either like it or dont like it that simple