Microsoft has responded to the report that the PS4 is 50% faster than the Xbox One

A Microsoft spokesperson has responded to Kotaku's request for comment regarding Edge's previous article on the PS4 being 50% faster than the Xbox One.

[Enemy]

They gave up, lol.

[xHeavYx]

They are going around in circles, like always

[pedrof93]

"It was designed with balanced performance in mind"

What balance ? What are the weights ? Power and Speed ? Or TV and Games ?

[gaelic_laoch]

360's, doing doughnuts, loop the loops, arse about face.......

[theBAWSE]

Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

that there is a thinly veiled PR jargon admission

[Godoftheweek]

It's Microsoft's version of "circular reasoning."

Round and round MS goes, like a broken record.

"Look kids, Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids, Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids...WE KNOW DAD, Parliament, Big Ben."

All kidding aside, I do agree with them. Let the games do the talking. That is what Sony nearly always does. Maybe MS finally gets it, then again maybe not.

The 2nd and 3rd generation games will really show a huge difference IMO.

[Saigon]

This should have been the first statement a long time ago...grant it they did make this statement but they should have stuck with it...

[JokesOnYou]

"Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”

-Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives.

Also its funny that the only negativity comes from annonymous sources. Now lets think about that IF true but they just don't want to go on record so their relationship with micro stays friendly then why the need to say anything at all when in any case it doesnt help them since they still will be developing for both and the need to talk behind close doors only signifies they have some underlying issue with micro, who a indie dev?, who the Braid dev?, who a sony supported dev?, WHO?

[BitbyDeath]

'let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. '

I agree, being 50% weaker doesn't mean they won't still have great games.

Time to take the high ground everyone and let people just be happy with their purchase, no matter what it is.

[ABizzel1]

@JokesOnYou

Why would any developer publicly speak out against a platform they're developer at the risk of losing their job......Hence why they stay anonymous.

The PS4 is the more powerful console, but at the end of the day it all boils down to what games are on which consoles, and for that reason I'm getting a PS4, because Sony killed it with the exclusives for the PS3 this gen. M$ not so much.

[darthv72]

@abizz they arent going to lose their job if they are singing the praise of a platform they are developing for.

the criticism of the xb1 by these anonymous devs does not appear to be a sign they are in development of an xb1 title.

Because an interview was given it could be the 'pass-it-on' effect. meaning that it starts with one and then gets passed along to the next and to the next and each time it gets slightly changed (the phrasing) until it appears to be something said by many when it could have been said by the same person.

50% difference in 'power' should translate into something like comparing the genesis version of street fighter to the super nintendo version. both were created specifically for each platform but there is a noticeable difference in the finished product.

We just arent seeing that right now. Key words...'right now'. Will we see it? that depends on how vested a 3rd party developer is in making their game to cater to each platform.

Will we see it in exclusives? That is inconclusive because what is exclusive to one has no chance of being released on another. I would say that if given the opportunity, naught Dog could have pulled off uncharted visuals on the 360 but that wont happen.

Naughty dog will pull off better than uncharted visuals on the ps4 just as 343 will pull off better than halo 4 visuals on the xb1.

Lets just leave it at that.

[BitbyDeath]

@Darthv72, wait til launch, the differences are already showing.

"ATVI was doing the CoD: Ghosts port to nextgen. It took three weeks for PS4 and came out at 90 FPS unoptimized, and four months on Xbone and came out at 15 FPS."

[morganfell]

Their previous attempt to use specs - Penello's embarrassing outing at Neogaf which was further compounded by the Ars Technica ripping - failed miserably now they are doing a 180...that's familiar...and scrambling in vain to move away from specs. This is their only window of opportunity because the longer the consoles are on the market the more prevalent and visible the performance gap will become.

[Pain]

@jokesOnYou

"-Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. "

Delusion is a serious medical condition, You should seek a doctor and get therapi.

[Ritsujun]

Microsofie - RAGE MODE ON since the Xbone180 reveal. POOR conSOUL.

[RedDevils]

Jokeonyou no wonder your name is joke on you hehe...

[nypifisel]

People really have to stop with the delusional argument "Let's wait and see". There's no reason for this approach, this is x86 architecture, we KNOW how these machines preform. This in mind MS response is baffling to say the least, there are no "secret architecture which brings speed boosts"for the first time these are regular old PCs, we all know how those works and there are no claiming a secret sauce - Face it, the PS4 won this hardware race!

[DigitalRaptor]

@ JokesOnYou

The delusion is infinite with you. The games already look better on PS4 and there's already a far larger and more diverse lineup on PS4 than on XB1.

DriveClub has been steadily improving visually since they first showed gameplay, and the change has been drastic. It has more dynamic systems than Forza 5, which is why it is currently running at half the frame rate. The latest video shows just how insanely beautiful it looks, whilst maintaining a realistic look, whereas Forza is more cartoony-looking.

Killzone: Shadow Fall and inFamous: Second Son curb stomp every exclusive on the XB1 in pretty much every single category, whilst running at a better rate of performance than even the supposed jewel in the crown - Ryse. That game only looks incredible during the parts where they slow it down and remove control from your hands.

With the 50% difference between the consoles, this is only going to get more obvious once we're past the launch lineup, and I wonder how you're going to feel when your ultimate argument that is about games and launch lineups is exposed. Short-term logic leads to utter ignorance. Or maybe it's just believing the damage control an anti-consumer corporation places on facts.

We already know that you'll be coasting off damage control PR from publishers who are dedicated to maintaining platform parity for their games, but if developers have the cojones to release the PS4 versions of their games as the deservedly better ones, you'll have nothing left but an inferior gaming console, with inferior games supported by an inferior company. I mean Sony is already providing exclusive content from 21 publishers, many of those for PS4, so in that regard many PS4 games will already be better for content alone. Have fun though - that is what this is all about though, right?

[ChrisW]

Faster RAM is better!!!

I recently upgraded the RAM in my PC from a Data-rate of 1333 to 2133, which is about 60% faster...

Originally, it took 1&1/2 minutes to load Win7, and 2 minutes to load a high-res picture in Photoshop. But now... It's absolutely awesome!!! Win7 loads in less than 4 seconds, opening something in Photoshop takes about 5 seconds, and every game that I play loads so fast that the audio can't keep up, though a bit annoying because of syncing problems due to such blistering fast RAM!

So, it's undeniably conclusive that faster RAM is absolutely awesome in absurdly ludicrous proportions!

[kreate]

"But the most intriguing thing about the Edge piece is the suggestion by said anonymous developers that a cross-platform game might be held back from looking or performing better on PS4 so as to not anger Microsoft"

are we going to see another gen being 'held back' due to microsoft's cheap console?

microsoft said 'let the games speak for itself' or something along those lines... but it seems like microsoft themselves are the ones manipulating the scene.

[ThanatosDMC]

Let the games do the talking?

With what games? Kinect games? Do they even have quality 1st party devs like Sony?

[ChrisW]

@Kreat -- "are we going to see another gen being 'held back' due to microsoft's cheap console?"

Absolutely!!! It'll be just like Lensoftruth.com comparisons all over again.

[TheSaint]

I wonder what the next thing will be? Yet there are still a lot of staunch defenders of this TV console.

[pixelsword]

No one is saying that the xbone won't have good games, the issue (which MS is skirting) is whether the Xbone is more powerful than the PS4.

...And by skirting the issue, they indirectly answered it.

[BallsEye]

Let the games talk for themselves. So far they're talking. Don't see what's the problem with you guys. Games on XO look great.

[gaffyh]

This is a clear admission that the Xbone is weaker than PS4. The comment which basically says let the games do the talking, is of course true, but has nothing to do with the power of each console. It never has, the Wii U is significantly weaker but can still have great games. This argument was always about power, yet some delusional people seemed to think the Xbone was more powerful than PS4, when it clearly was not, and several developers have pointed it out.

PS2 was weaker than Xbox, but it had way better games. So Microsoft can still prosper with weaker hardware, it comes down to games.

[Gamer1982]

They are basically saying games will look as good on xbox in which they are right because they know devs will lower games performance on ps4 to match xbone. For parity reasons..

Unlike last gen where it wasnt much of a difference though they are going to be holding back the other console..

This is why I went PC this generation. None of this crap..

[BallsEye]

Funny how everyone here say ps4 is 50% more powerful ad MS drivers also suck but then XO games actually look better so far. There is a storm coming this month. Only Top third party devs got final dev box this month with stereo gpus unlocked that's why more and more games on XO start suddenly popping in full HD and better framerates. Host and Guest stereo gpus and dpus, that's what it is.

"Insider(was right all the time so far with hot chips etc): 3rd party developers have final hardware.. And the company that do have it .. Capcom. Crytek. Epic. Take 10. and Rare. Ubisoft and EA only just got them this week.. And none of these developer have gone on record and said sony ps4 is 50% more powerfull..

..four very specialized gfx cores that can only be accessed via the metal xdriver. Full stereo only available after 25/30 to majority. 80% of developers only have low access...

These cores have access to all the 8 core cpu threads if need be. But two of each cpu threads do have a specialist purpose. They also have a boost ability for a special type of graphics code. Not yet seen on pc."

google the quote , you will find all the info needed and proof in older and newer posts

It is why (highly possibility) that why BF4 & Ghost & Wdogs still have to presented on PC specced X1 devkit as they waiting stereo driver to be enabled, by the time it is enabled, BF4 ad other demanding games can use full power of X1

If you think a crappy 1.3Tflop system with sh!tty drivers can pull off games like ryse and forza in full hd then you are fooling yourself. That was MS plan all the way. They didn't unlock the whole machine for the public so sony will think it has an upper hand. Once ps4 is in full production and NDA is gone and there is no chance for mahcine upgrade, MS will come out with the info insiders have been saying for months. You realy believe MS paid billions of dollars for this machine just to release it with wiiU like GPU?

I'm not a fan of MS, nor a fan of Sony. I'm gaming more than many of you are alive and you guys got very short memory. ps3 started with a killzone2 gameplay lie. This is no different. Let the downvotes begin.

[nveenio]

"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

They shouldn't have said that before Naughty Dog's and Santa Monica's next-gen announcements...

[gaffyh]

@Ballseye - inFAMOUS is better than anything on Xbone, so your point is completely invalid.

[Enemy]

@ BallsEye: After your opinion, facts are still facts.

http://www.geek.com/games/d...

http://n4g.com/news/1353541...

http://www.gamechup.com/war...

http://n4g.com/news/1263235...

http://n4g.com/news/1304933...

[tokugawa]

so, according to this latest revelation, we should be seeing multi-plats running better on the ps4 from day one!

[black0o]

MS talks and talks while sony acts and lets the devs do the talking and soon the games

[pedrof93]

@golding just buy a Ps4.

Games
Online
Specs

All of these are better at this point.

[tuglu_pati]

@golding89

haha! You know you are gonna get destroyed for that.

I will +bubble you just for your bravery.

[cell989]

@Icicle Trepan: you are one butthurt xbot, calm down

[stuna1]

Sony took the heat this gen, now they are giving the heat! I know it's a tough pill to swallow for some, but it's hilariously funny watching the ones finding that pill hard to swallow, flipping all over the place like fish on a boats deck.

Why no one can understand that Microsoft were caught unprepared! They honestly thought that they had more time, this is being shown to everyone, if they would just look! From Day one, the policies, the restrictions, the games! All these things showed signs of not being totally thought out plans.

Games have been moved cross gen to boast the lineup, something that can't really be disputed, because Microsoft has said so! Ryse was a game developed for the 360.

People are leaving for no explainable reason! Sure reasons are given, but how many of the explanations hold water? The unveiling of the Xbox1 has caused chaos on so many levels, and yes I expect the disagrees, the name calling, the debubbling, the ignores, because that's what people on N4G do, but more importantly than that, it's what people in "DENIAL" do........

[Sarick]

I agree they've been talking the talk like a great and powerful all knowing wizard. I'm no Microsoft fan but this time the response to kotaku was actually very professional.

He basically stood up and said something like:

Okay guys I'm not going to argue and make myself out like an arse. We think our console will preform well for the foreseeable future despite the technical specifications. Let's just let our games speak for us.

IMHO: He is effectively admitting there are technical differences with the inclusion that they think Microsoft and 3rd parties can overcome them. He also thinks the differences won't have as massive effect compared to previous generations where numbers mattered more.

I'm starting to think Microsoft is looking for a way to change public opinion of themselves. It's obvious they're talking a public beating by both the media and gaming community.

Clearly the wizard hiding behind that curtain saying "Pay no attention to that guy behind the curtain!" is no longer working in their best interest.

Here is a related link to my quote. Have fun watching it. <GRIN>

Link:
http://youtu.be/NZR64EF3OpA

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Jokes on you just go away you sad individual.

[dasbeer88]

For once, MS is being humble about their competitors.

[thejigisup]

I don't think this is about being humble at all. There is quite a difference in being humble and being a little bit off a bitch. MS is coming off like they just got dunked on.

[DJMarty]

LOL, M$ digging ther own GRAVE

[Sarick]

Being humble, not really. He's saying they aren't going to fight the grain anymore and let their games, services and hardware speak for them. IMHO It's more or less a conceited and/or competitive way of getting in the last words before a big fight.

This is about the only thing they can do to save face at this point. If they continued to try and deceive the market it'd keep slapping them in the face. Also, If they admitted to deception it'd openly tarnish their public reputation even more.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

They choose less power, in favor of the Kinect,. They thought they would make up for this lack of power, through the "Clowd".

[tuglu_pati]

I think (and this is my opinion) PS4 will be the gamers popular and XBO will eventually dominate the casual crowd.

[Saigon]

@tuglu_pati

I don't think that will be the case, mainly because they haven't given anyone, besides HC gamers a reason to buy their system. Sony started advertising 'Greatness Awaits' soon after E3 if not right after their conference. My first Xbone commercial I saw was this weekend during the start of the NFL season. And the sad part the commercial wasn't directed towards any one type of gamer, maybe a little more to the casuals. It was a neutral commercial, that showed what we hardcore gamers have been complained about. I want this console, but will not purchase it for a long while, but MS needs to have a better direction where they want to go with the Xbone.

[u got owned]

..

[SniperControl]

@tuglu

Do you wanna know what is going to dominate the casual market.........Vita TV.......

[ShwankyShpanky]

Hey, at least they've dialed back all that "Cloud makes the One X-times more powerful" and "Kinect is the future" noise.

[LetoAtreides82]

Tuglu no casual player is going to pay $500 for casual games.

[XboxFun]

They realized arguing with Sony fanboys is a no win situation. What else could they possibly say that wouldn't get ripped apart from you or Heavy.

"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

This pretty much should sum up everything anyone needs to know now and in the future. So far every game on Xbox One is on par or exceeded this huge extra power the PS4 claims to have.

[DoesUs]

Dat lighting.

[KonsoruMasuta]

They realized that there was no use trying to brush the truth under the rug. The cat is out of the bag and they have to #dealwithit

[Godoftheweek]

Interesting. So, multiple 3rd 1st and 2nd party developers are fanboys?

SMH

[MatriXcian]

Sorry buddy but Killzone Shadowfall looks better than anything on the Xbox 180, plus im sure youve heard about all the smoke and mirrors Forza uses to obtain its 60fps.

[Enemy]

It's easy to rip them apart when all they do is insult the consumer's intelligence with continuous, obviously false claims.

No Xbox One exclusive has "on par" tech with Killzone: Shadow Fall.

Show ONE, go ahead.

Killer Instinct with two characters on screen running at 720p? Nope.

Ryse, a simple one or two button QTE adventure that used to be a Kinect game? Nope.

Dead Rising 3, with nothing but dead AI on screen? Try again.

Forza 5, lol, with purely static environment and baked lighting to boot, no weather effects, no night races. Next gen masterpiece right there!

Most multiplatform games have been demoed on PS4 only. Have we even seen Battlefield 4 running on Xbox One yet?

[nooneknows]

You're one of the most annoying fanboys on this site. You shouldn't be talking.

[DEEBO]

yeah right! deep down,infamousSS,and killzone SF says hi.go do the sprinkler in front of you're eyetoy3.0,lame!

[-Foxtrot]

Whats with you calling everyone who criticizes MS a Sony fanboy....your just saying that as some sort of defense mechanism because you have nothing good to say.

Most people who are "hating" on MS have legit reasons to. They tried to screw us over and the way they are going and what they've done to try and win us back seems like as soon as we "forgive them" they will go back to what they were like.

Instead of coming up with a good argument to defend them by taking the criticism and explaining how you think it's wrong (which you couldn't do anyway) you result in calling people fanboys

[ShwankyShpanky]

MS supporters should collaborate on a Smashing Pumpkins cover: "The World Is A PS Fanboy"

The world is a fanboy
Sent to drain
Support for MS
Hold their feet to the flames
And what do we get?
A hundred disagree-hees
And a handful
Of ported 360 games

[XboxFun]

@Foxtrot

I have already defended and pointed out how it's wrong many, many times. The irony of your whole statement is what I have said earlier:

"None of you want to listen".

Instead all I get from you is "we have the right to be mad" over and over again. Have I not already stated that for MS fans that time is over, MS has rectified their mistakes and now we are focusing on the games. I have already explained it this to you.

And yet here you are again, proving my point of brining old arguments back while not listening to anything said in defense. What could MS or I say to stop you from being so mad. Have they not done enough already? They reversed every non-popular policy that gathered the hate.

And yet you're still mad because it MIGHT have happened.

"seems like as soon as we "forgive them" they will go back to what they were like."

So this is your legit argument? You claim that they MIGHT go back in the future? What's stopping Sony from doing the same thing. Since we are just speculating and pretending of things and situations that MIGHT occur. How is your argument anymore legit than mine?

How can anyone defend or debate when all you can do is bring up pretend situations of doom. Kind of hard to argue against imaginary, ever changing, "what if" situations you all seem to bring up.

[-Foxtrot]

@XboxFun

We don't want to listen? Are you actually serious...of course we've bloody listened, we've listened, saw, read EVERYTHING Microsoft has done since the reveal....WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE MAD. Jesus

As I've said you make it seem that we are pulling this stuff out of nowhere but we aren't. Saying that we aren't listening is just you getting p***** off because what your saying is basically a summary of all the actions MS have done since the reveal. Your basically reminding us why we are are arguing/fighting/hating. Your defense in the end is "...oh well you don't listen, your...your just a Sonyfanboy"

Oh I'm sorry I'm a fanboy because I'm prasing a company who is doing mostly everything right while the company I'm "hating" on is a company thats screwed us over and over again since after Kinect was released and are now trying to suck up to us because they want my sale where, may I add, that after they've suckered me into it they'll go back to what they are really like........................ok man suit your self.

"So this is your legit argument? You claim that they MIGHT go back in the future"

Erm....yeah, they've done it too many times. Learn from your past mistakes.

What's stopping Sony for doing the same? I'm sorry but they've done nothing in recent years as bad as what MS has done now. Sony was arrogant in 2006, learned their mistake straight away and by 2008/2009 were back on the horse. They didn't dig themselfs into a hole like this

" Kind of hard to argue against imaginary, ever changing, "what if" situations you all seem to bring up."

Jeez, how delusional, how are they what if situations if it's happening now. MS screwing over their consumers has happened before, LOTS of times

[NeloAnjelo]

You mean they realised that they can't hide the truth when it comes from the developers themselves. Only blind MS fanboys like you keep believing their BS.

They can't even justify the cost of thing, or why GAMERS want Kinect.

Look at the side by side specs. This alone will tell you.

[BattleTorn]

I'm going do exactly what Microsoft says - and wait for the console and the games to speak for themselves.

[jessupj]

Why can't you just admit the PS4 is significantly more powerful than the X1?

For what ever reason, that's your prefered console, but you need to accept the cons that go with that preference.

One of then is that multiplats are going to perform noticeably better on the PS4.

It's seemingly obvious you can;t deal with that, so the smart thing for you to do would be to buy a PS4 instead.

[grimmweisse]

So how that power of the cloud! So far nothing but fresh air. If the best is the drivatar feature then i am not all to impressed.

When a company needs to use buzzwords to hype or entice their audience, that when i lose interest.

[5eriously]

Soon you would have only one bubble to troll with. Enjoy your eXBone'd. We will enjoy at minimum the same level or yet even with greatly improved quality and professional games that Sony and the PS3 endowed on us,... not something an eXBox360 owner can relate to considering the RROD fiasco and lack of AAA support last few years and also considering the lack of AAA games the last few years. I cannot even fathom why someone will still support Microsoft after these experiences,.....I guess self punishment or idiocy comes to mind. Maybe the perceived M$ motto of " Lets starve them for games then we break new records on the repeat IP sales" holds true.

[Destrania]

@Enemy

You should add me on PSN. Well said btw, you are always on point in your responses to all the mindless Xbots out there.

[NextGen24Gamer]

“Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”

Well said by Microsoft. Let the fanboys fight over GFLOPS & Ram selection. They will never understand how all the customizations effect how the games will look & perform on the xbox one. The games will speak as they already have in the pre alpha stages garnering award after award.

November can't come fast enough!

[theBAWSE]

Don't know why you remind me of a member of the band still playing music while everyone around them is running jumping ship trying to grab float a dingy anything to get off the sinking titanic

[Kayant]

"Well said by Microsoft. Let the fanboys fight over GFLOPS & Ram selection."

Oh so 3 GPU's doesn't matter now. So waiting for the magical NDA to be lifted is not necessary now I guess. Nice one looool. How quickly you change.

[ShwankyShpanky]

TLDR: "secret sauce & wizards"

[stuna1]

But they're making that argument against a competitor that knows hardware! I'm not disputing the fact that Microsoft doesn't have some talented people working on the Xbox1, but we're talking about a company that exudes technical achievement in the hardware department! That is why I'm so astonished by people who trip over their tongues at the mention of Kinects 2.0!

If people only took the time to research some of Sonys higher priced cameras they would see facial recognition technology in them, panoramic motion tracking and yes even infrared tracking for low light exposure.

The Kinects technology was bought by Microsoft, where they've made improvements!
Sonys motion technology was developed in-house

[ziggurcat]

so.... now specs don't matter anymore? when just yesterday you were spamming the comment threads about specs?

[INehalemEXI]

lmao @ Enemy

[alb1899]

In days it will be clear.

[awi5951]

I find it funny that they dont even try to use the esram it must be a low budget studio or something. If you dont have the talent to even use the Esram why are you a expert? Why are these guys talking? Are the programmers over there just stupid??

[DJ]

ES-Ram makes the whole process difficult because a fast 32MB module is supposed to make up for a slow 8GB memory pool. Yeah you can use it, but only in small chunks, and mostly for just rendering purposes.

[kenshiro100]

Sony just rendered them speechless, lol.

[thrust]

Not really mate in a fanboys point of view yeah maybe!

Also, I do not have multiple accounts (not that sad but if it makes you feel better ok)

Good luck

[Bathyj]

Sony have played this PR game brilliantly. Not getting drawn into juvenile tit for tat, they've let the devs do all their chest beating for them.

MS have done everything they can to fit you for a padded bra.

[thrust]

I agree mate, on the gamers side of things sony has really came out on top.

MS really messed up with the DRM stuff on consoles, it works on PCs that's about it.

But we gamers are a very small minority, look at the wii if you get family's interested.(kids love kinect and mums and dads love having/seeing there kids have fun).

[solar]

I can't wait til the Sony Extremists finally get slapped in the face that the two consoles are nearly identical in performance. All the 50% more powerful hype is bullshit.

[jessupj]

I can't wait til the MS extremists get slapped in the face when PS4 multiplats perform noticeably better.

If you want to get an zbone, fine. You just need to accept that;s going to come with inferior multiplats. If you can't deal with that then get a PS4.

I swear the MS fanboys lately have been like rabid dogs since all the bad xbone news.

[starchild]

Haha, Solar is a PC gamer. He probably has a PC that will make games on the PS4 look more inferior than the PS4 will to the Xbox One.

No, what's happened is that EVERYONE that isn't a Sony fanboy is sick of Sony fanboys and their horrible arrogance and trolling. As if it's not ok to game on anything else.

I'm getting a PS4 to go along with my PC and I know for a fact that it is more powerful than the Xbox One, but that power difference isn't as dramatic as some people make it out to be and I really don't care anyway because I am going to be playing all multiplatform games on my PC.

[awi5951]

@starchild

Yeah the console guys are measuring their junk and neither one of them is the biggest. Just got my new cpu upgrade today for BF4 can wait to test out my new build on BF4.

[solar]

ha!

hey star, how ya doing mate?

i get automatically called a MS fanboy for that comment. keep getting your jolly's off riding that hype bus jessupj. like a prepubescent getting a boner on a bumpy road. when that bus crashes and burns, ill be laughing my ass off.

[awi5951]

Just played metro last light on max on my pc all AMD build with new CPU metro is maxed at 50 fps at 1080P and that game kicks your card butt so im happy right now lets see what BF4 can do to it. Ill sell my card if it crushes it but i doubt it.

[black0o]

we all do own PCs .. this is about ps4 vs xbone

and for the record more then 80% of pc gamers do game on mid-setting almost like ps360 #fact stream database and the sells number for the high end gpu

so drop the act as if u own a 2000+ $

[awi5951]

@black0o

A midrange card will beat the ps4 easy and then if you add two mid range cards for 100 dollars less than the cost of the ps4 its no contest at all. You can max all pc games easy at 60+ fps at 1080P with a computer that costs less than the xbox one. I have never paid more than 600 on a PC build and i got that money from selling my old parts so i didnt loose any money at all.

[Killjoy3000]

"One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

- There goes Xbox holding back a console generation again.

[jeffgoldwin]

Now you know the feeling PC gamers have for underpowered budget consoles. Group hug?

[nunley33]

sony just keeps on doing donuts in MS's lawn and they can't seem to stop them from doing it.

[nunley33]

double post so i'll say this was predictable but it's still funny seeing ms flail around like this.

[UltraNova]

They dont need to give up because 95% of the games are multiplat and if anyone here believes that MS will allow a single developer to make a game run better on the PS4 you are seriously diluted. As they demonstrated this generation the most powerful console doesnt always win. And they can do it again all they need to do is win In the US which they will no doubt.

And this is coming from a Sony fan.

[starchild]

I don't believe that for a moment. I am willing to bet that we will see superior graphics and/or performance on PS4 games.

[Madderz]

Diluted?

You mean deluded right?

:D

[UltraNova]

starchild: I get what your thinking trust me but why do you believe that Devs will put in the extra effort to polish one version more than the other risking fan and platform holder uproar?

Madderz: Thanks for the typo headsup!I am trying...You see English is my 3rd language :)

[BallsEye]

your comment makes no sense. How did they give up exactly?

[Cam977]

SSDD

[AndrewLB]

I guess none of you remember the endless parade of fanboys claiming how the PS3 was so much more powerful than 360, and how Microsoft would have to compete against Nintendo for x number of reasons, etc. We all know how those claims turned out.

http://n4g.com/news/11339/n...
http://n4g.com/news/6672/fi...

[Blaze929]

So it's about 50% faster...so can someone tell me why sony fanboys have been shouting 50% STRONGER all this time?

I knew that simply wasn't the case. Honestly, any gamer should have realized that. Really, FIFTY percent STRONGER?

That would be a night and day difference people, use your damn brains.

So ok, even if it is 50% faster what does any of that mean for gaming? More specifically multi-platform gaming?

"better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

^ It means, NOTHING. Like i've been saying all this time. Honestly, if the difference was that vast, why have we not seen one PS4 game that outshines an Xbox 1 title in every department? EVERY? But Driveclub has yet to nail 1080p 60FPS for a RACING game? A simple ass racing game?

It should be EASILY visible with 50% "power" difference...or its just faster eh? lol i guess we will let the games speak for themselves.

[black0o]

let me make it simple for u:
when someone says my car is faster then yours that automatically means that he's car has more horsepower then your and better gear box ...etc

same thing is here speed is a result of power of gpu+ram deference between the 2

[nosferatuzodd]

but but but the power of the cloud will help us beat sony lol

[iamnsuperman]

"Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves"

Well that was rich in detail /s

To be far what more can they say.

[BattleTorn]

To be completely honest, they could've said 'the claims of vast performance gaps are false'

Not saying that is kinda showing that they know they can't.

[KonsoruMasuta]

But then they would be saying a false statement themselves.

[BattleTorn]

@konsoru

That's assume the 50% gap is true. I don't think it's quite 50. (or 30 even)

It's not a false statement to say 'the gap's not 50%' if the gaps 45%, or 30%.

I would've thought they'd be able to say - without lying - that the Xbox One is not 50% weaker than PS4. Looks as though they can't. :(

[tuglu_pati]

There's nothing else to say, on paper the PS4 is more powerful they cant argue that. Their games are looking good though. So i guess will have to wait and see.

My guess is if you are a graphic whore and don't have the money for a high end PC, PS4 is for you if you want a console with great graphics (not the best) which gives you other features than gaming go with XBO.

[LetoAtreides82]

No one has seen any games running on Xbox One hardware, all the gameplay you've seen have been from nerfed PCs hiding inside cabinets.

[Prcko]

funny stuff

[NYC_Gamer]

MS shouldn't have been on forums trying to argue over specs in the first place..

[King-Prodigy-X]

LOL!!!!!

[gaelic_laoch]

Exactly they should have designed a console with better specs that would not be subjected to such vitriol in the first place!

[SilentGuard]

They couldn't. Kinect to MS was much, much more important and making a powerful console was secondary. "Xbox On" took precedance over designing a powerful and easy to develop for console with games first. After all, XBOne is plenty powerful for apps and tv.

[MasterCornholio]

You mean Panello right?

That douche got severely owned in Neogaf and he just gave up. Even a mod got on his case about it.

[thejigisup]

Great idea jumping to the forums but it kinda backfired. They should've taken this approach a month or two ago.

[1OddWorld]

Can you link him getting owned. I need a good laugh.

[ShwankyShpanky]

@OddWorld:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
http://arstechnica.com/gami...

[Infamous298]

HAHA poor penello.

[pedrof93]

"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

This is the best answer they came up with, I don't mean to be rude, but, these guys must forget that they are competing against Sony.

By the way Penello said something that the software would balance things with the Ps4 hardware. And I just found out that Xbox One drivers are late in development ?

[BG11579]

It's the truth for both consoles, the Xbone and PS4's drivers are not developped yet...
So at this point they are on equal footing.

[BG11579]

Shesh, I was saying equal footing to be compared, not equal footing in computing power... -_-'
The PS4 has the advantage at this point.

[Whitefire]

Why even release that statement if they were going to let the games do the talking the whole time. It's obvious that they are trying to damage control. Also you didn't hear them refute the claims or say that the Xbox is stronger, because they know they cannot. Most of the reply was PR bs anyways,

[Mikelarry]

was it not too long ago that one of ms staff came out and said it wasn't about specs now most of the post i see on n4g are about ms and specs. personally i think they should just let their games do the talking as they seem so desperate to prove something and desperation is not a good sign

[GribbleGrunger]

Near final hardware? At first I thought this was old news but having followed the source it is indeed to do with the recent EDGE article. In which case, how can it be 'near final hardware' if they've already started to ship the console? They posted pictures up to prove it didn't they? Here it is:

http://i.imgur.com/6fWfX5Z....

[DoesUs]

Probably drivers/OS etc etc

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Weird that they would say Hardware,. when all they could do is a driver update at this point in time.
The hard ware was finalized months ago, you can't go back and change hardware after FCC clearance. Software a.k.a drivers, is the only way to change things now.
but in terms of most Powerful Hardware,. Ps4 has that title.

[pyramidshead]

oh boy lol. Adding those 17 dGPUs I think.

[Godoftheweek]

Developer tools. The SDK's developer tools are continually upgraded throughout a console's lifespan. That is what they mean.

[Kayant]

Ofc they're waiting to reveal to two extra dGPUs to make the Xbox one a 4 TF+ Machine making it stronger than a GTX 780 but managing to be a lot cheaper /s....

"Near final hardware" right that's complete BS. So they expect us to believe that they're not producing consoles already to meet demand for launch day and the holiday season. Well this confirms everything. They really shouldn't have commented on anything.

Hardware is final. Like people have stated only thing left is software (OS, drivers,firmware, SDK, etc).

Also being more complex doesn't mean it's better.

[viveks86]

I think you are taking this out of context. Here is the actual quote:

"games we continue to show running on near-final hardware"

They are referring to the debug units/dev kits that are being used to show the games to the public. These obviously are not the final retail units, hence "near-final".

Having said that, MS is making itself increasingly vulnerable by commenting on performance comparisons, when they are clearly at a disadvantage. First was the debacle on NeoGAF, started by Penello, and now this.

[Kayant]

Even so the only change they are probably referring to is the upclocks to the GPU and CPU. I don't see how that will make a significant difference to upset this news but it will probably help in making games run more stable. Both have the same base hardware. After-all they have reassured us that games at gamescom where running on retail units *cough* debug units/dev kits but now they are suddenly only "near-final" hardware. Come on.

But yh you're right it was not a good idea for them to start doing that.

[viveks86]

@Kayant

Agreed. I don't think the upclock has anything to do with reaching performance parity. It's strange that they would even do something like that so close to release. Sounded like a PR stunt to placate fears of yield issues, more than anything else.

[DoesUs]

"Translation: after getting continuously skewered for months for spewing copious amounts of bullshit to defend our console, we'll finally shut our months before we do any more damage to our brand."

Thankyou GAF. NAILED!

See you all in November.

[user7402931]

bin god damn go...

bingo

[yewles1]

EASY Sully, you're not ready for your PS4 debut yet... XD

[gaelic_laoch]

The xBONE has become a Frankenconsole for M$ to Troll itself with! Car Crash Stuff really

[AllroundGamer]

"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.” - but you will probably need to learn the RROD language to understand their console...

[SpiralTear]

Well, they did end up RESPONDING, as opposed to REFUTING.

[user7402931]

they know ps4 utterly stomps the competition in a embarrassing pulp, but they dont want to face the facts.

[MasterCornholio]

" In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

Which means that they dont know the answer themselves which is normal. But i have to agree with them.

Let the games prove the power of the systems.

[cell989]

lol someone said Microsoft would respond by the end of the day, and so they have

they know they have the weaker console, so a modest response is a given

[Agent1]

To be honest with you.. Can anybody here off the top of their head tell me what hardware was inside NES? Or the first Genesis? Probably not because it didn't matter back then. I have no clue when in time it became important to "geek out" on hardware in order to enjoy the purpose of the console, and that is to play games. It's all about the games. With a great game that you can attach yourself too, the console becomes great to you no matter what is inside. Upvote me now Please, I deserve it! :)

[805Junior805]

It didn't matter back than due to people caring around the games more than the specs. Now, it's all about the specs. Every upgrade from a phone, computer, ipad, console, boasts the specs. It sells the product and it sets it apart from the previece model. Sony doesnt have to defend themseleves over anything, they have the stronger console, MS is trying to bullshit their way out of the dilemma that they have the weaker console. They can't give the PS4 any more leeway than it already has over the Xbone.

[Roper316]

it was always talked about but the internet wasn't around back then or in some cases the net was just becoming available on a large scale.

NES was a big deal with it's 8 bit graphics compared to the Atari 2600 with it's 2 bit graphics.

Then Sega released the Master system which was also 8 bit so Nintendo one upped them with the SNES and it's 16 bit graphics so Sega came back with the Genesis and tried to beat them with the CD addon and the 32X addon but both failed. Then it was the N64, Saturn & PS and so on and so on.

These things were covered in gaming magazines, ads / tv commercials. So while not everyone kept up with it because gaming wasn't as popular back then and there was no wide spread debate over the net because there was no net at the time it was going on. I know I was around back then and have always followed and been apart of these types of discussions with my friends.

[monkey nuts]

I'm pretty positive the snes launched months if not close to a year after the mega drive, at least in the uk. I can remember waiting for it to release while borrowing a mates mega drive occasionally for my 16 bit fix.

[karl]

well ..back then it was all first party my friend
soo every console had an identity .

now with third party devs dominating u need to pay attention to the specs since u want the best looking game.. the rest will be the same on both platforms

now First party is still very important... but sadly only SONY gets this.. and soo they offer way more games than xbox one.

soo no ... i dissagree with u.

[thejigisup]

Way to go microsft you have finally given me what i needed to know to make my decision on my next console. I now have complete and utter faith in what you have presented me this far on your near final hardware
Edit... do i really need /s here?

[JohnnyRico305]

It seems like everyone is excited to bash the console that they won't even purchase. What may I ask is the point? Im getting both because of the differences they offer. Shouldn't that be enough? Oh wait I forgot. Bash a company all you want cause it wont change the fact that they will still be around and make money. Somehow fanboys think they are justified in choosing aside like we all are enemies or something. Its sad really.

[Yo Mama]

Get both. That's your prerogative. However, I hope you don't waste your money like the pro hd-dvd add on supporters did.

[JohnnyRico305]

It wont be a waste considering I enjoy and am looking forward to What Microsoft and Sony have to offer. I like to keep an open mind and tend to ignore doom and gloom reports on power differences and such.

[karl]

it isnt sad...
overtime it has become sort of like a sport
like football .. everyone has choosen a team..
and now we want the blood of the opposite team xDD

humans tend to choose sides

its quite exciting actually ... like a match that last for years of competition.

and its become quite fun to follow aswell.

u way not get it but there is nothing wrong with feeling passion for something u like..

and ppl tend to get violent went that happens..

behind a keyboard ussually just immature and offensive though

[ALARM-clock]

Weren't they going to get a system architect to come out and make a detailed statement about the specs? I guess that was a bad idea to begin with...

[yellowgerbil]

"designed with balance and performance in mind"
nope was designed with control in mind. DRM was more important to them than graphics. Kinect was more important to them than gameplay.

[DoesUs]

A perfect opportunity for the "technical fellow" to appear, but alas.

[tuglu_pati]

I don't think this "technical fellow" exist. That was one of Panello's tricks to get out of the hole he got into.

[4logpc]

Seriously, just give it a rest already.

[NateCole]

Exactly. The reason this gets brought up is because they keep on bringing it up which everyone is tired of.

[Niv]

You need balance to stand but power to walk!

[pyramidshead]

These articles are never going to solve much really, which company in their right mind would fully admit their machine is weaker? Nil.

[NateCole]

Well unfortunately for MS they dont have Sony devs so there will more better games on PS4.

[HugoDrax]

Well unfortunately for Sony they don't have Microsoft money so there will be more better games on XB1.

See what I did there? Just switched company names around, and included money. It's all opinionated comments. It doesn't mean, nor change anything. Gamers or so called gamers on N4G are hilarious. People keep saying specs matter, and the more powerful (whatever that means) console is the best console. Wasn't the first Xbox more powerful than the PS2? That didn't change the fact it had the most success, and provided more options with various gaming genres. Then the PS3 was more powerful than the XB360 and Wii. No need to discuss that comparison, as everyone knows Nintendo outsold both PS3/XB360. Anyhow many members on N4G call themselves gamers, but all I notice in the comment section are comments from fanboys. This sites name should be changed to N4F.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Agenda piece. Sourceless claims.

Meanwhile nothing on either system looks next gen. And one company has a well established reputation for blatantly lying about the power of their hardware.

People will say I'm defending the Xbox One, but I'm not. I'm sick of the obvious marketing driven agenda that drives this site and many of the sites in the gaming industry. Every day I visit N4G I wonder why I still come here.

[Yo Mama]

Waaaa waaaaaa...

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Now there's the intelligent reply one would expect from the average N4G user.

[ExDexteraDomini]

Microsoft keeps on talking about their console as if it has some secret component which makes it at least as powerful as the PS4, especially when they say, "Wait and see" over and over again. Like the Examiner article recently posted, it's time MS let go of the power argument and instead begin talking about console exclusive features and games.

I'm getting the One, because it's the one I like. Simple as that. If I was looking for a more powerful console, I'd have pre-ordered the PS4.

Nonetheless, wouldn't it be baffling if the games on the One were noticeably better? I would be baffled, because even though I may be purchasing the One, and I may be a big MS fan, I'm not blind. Evidence suggests the PS4 is quicker, so that's what I'll continue to believe.

[jmc8888]

Yeah that's not a great response. If they are going to respond, how about respond with some facts?

Let's see how much I can blow a hole through their arguments.

"designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade."

Except the best blockbuster games will be played on other consoles and PC's, and especially PC's starting a few years from now. Thus all this is PR spin by MS.

"It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance."

Balanced performance? You either have the power to play a game a certain way or you don't. Is this the rationale behind going with inferior parts. That they thus added the great Kinect and focus on TV and other things? Most gamers buy consoles to game, and thus performance and the console's BOM should be balanced accordingly. You can't say the console has 'balanced performance' because you decided to add alot of crap gamers didn't want and thus inferior specs become 'balanced performance' along with the other parts of the system.

So your football team's owner isn't cheap, he's just 'balanced financially'. Literally this is what they are attempting here. They are saying it's great to be balanced because the stuff most people don't want make up for the cheaper gaming parts.

I agree they should let their games talk, but where are they?

[Yo Mama]

"I agree they should let their games talk, but where are they?"

Jesus, give them time. They're porting future 360 titles as fast as they can!!

[SilentGuard]

Don't forget the Kinect shovelware in the works. Since 3rd party developers won't be using (making anything a console exclusive) it, MS studios will be forced to develop for it...just like past 3 years.

[Trago1337]

Who cares? Console specs are irrelevant now.

[viveks86]

I think a lot of people do. These are expensive machines and any informed consumer would make choices based on which system would give more bang for the buck. If you were to buy a television and there are articles out there that tell you one television has better power consumption and crisper image, would you not be interested in at least reading the comparison, if not deciding based on it?

[jjb1981]

Breaking News! Tha powa of da cloud has turned the tables!

[CJDUNCAN]

MS gauged it's audience entirely wrong, sure it's cool watching NETFLIX etc. on the 360 but they lost focus that their machine should be focused on gaming. I'm not sure how the tech specifics goes exactly into what, all I care about is the games at the end of the day. That's why I'm going with the Xbox One, also considering my brother is getting the PS4.

It's cool to spew specs out there but I firmly believe that most people are just quoting the numbers to boast about how beastly the PS4 is. I'm willing to bet most gamers don't care.

[UsernameOfTheDead]

Translation: "Although our specs are inferior and the development community agrees that the PS4 is much more powerful we are confident that you dummies will spend an extra $100 regardless. Have you seen Ryse? I'm blind, but I've never seen any game as awesome on any other platform. Also, don't call it XBone because it hurts our feelings."

[hankmoody]

Anyone who believes that the PS4 will be THAT much more powerful than the XB1 is delusional. And this is all being gathered from a couple of unsubstantiated "quotes" from devs.

[BOLO]

LMAO at you in denial Xbots! The only people delusion are the Xbots who downplay the power advantage PS4 has!

#dealwithit

[JunioRS101]

Based on everything MS has said about PS4's spec advantage, I can confidently say that, indeed, PS4 has considerably more potential.

[GamePeace]

No doubts, both consoles will be great, but one will be greater, for me the Ps4, simple as that? Why? Unique gamingexperiences and better Service, sorry Microsoft.
I was owner of Xbox 360 and now I own only Ps3, why? Sold my 360 at the Price of 120 Euros and bought God of War Ascension, Ni No Kuni and God of war Collection, regrets? Not a single. Still playing Demons Souls, which is better than Dark Souls. Now waiting for the Ps4 to come, it will be worth its Money, Sony had never let me down. Truth.

[Lboogieskells]

Shoutouts to the brothers and sistas at Neogaf, they help generate some of the best news lol.

[Drasill]

If we don't know who the developers are than this means nothing.

[Nekroo91]

that statement actually came from microsoft, so still means nothing?!

do the math, for MS to release a console with ps4 specs + kinect it would cost 600 dollars, so to achieve 500 they had to use less powerfull hardware. how hard it is to understand this...

i dont think its 50% but arround 30 or 40 probably 5 to 10 fps difference

[Trekster_Gamer]

Xbox One responded at E3 with the best looking games and funnest. Specs and Sony circle jerkers can twist that as much as they want.

Trolls disagree and reply below!

[DEEBO]

deep down
killzone SF
infamousSS

[Foxgod]

Indeed, computing these days depends on so many factors, that raw specs alone wont get you in the lead anymore.

I truly believe the X1 is build to make best use of the system all around, and again, the games show it, also the best looking launch game is Forza 5, and it runs in full hd and on 60 fps, its shows that lower specs can still pull of better results, thanks to the fact its more balanced out.

[Metfanant]

its so funny how Foxgod's list of "best looking" launch games has dwindled...i remember weeks ago it was "Xbone games are all 1080p/60fps! PS4 cant do it" then info started coming out about KI only being 720p....and Ryse is only 30fps and looks like an absolute glitchy mess in multiplayer...yadda yadda yadda...

and now he is down to Forza 5...which will be an incredible game...and a much better GAME than Driveclub will be...but its no technical marvel...Turn 10 had to go with pre-baked lighting/shadows, static time of day, and no weather to achieve that 1080p/60fps...

if the reports we are getting is true, when the first batch of head to head comparisons come out and the PS4 version is superior you will have Fox, Frigid, elite gamer, and so on claiming "not much of a difference, i dont see it on my TV"

but they will be DYING inside...

[GraveLord]

What makes you think the PS4 isn't balanced? You're falling for Microsofts PR bullshit.

Both PS4 and Xbox One's power can't be judged based on a spec sheet. Both have custom chips and buses.

[windblowsagain]

Anyone who bought the 360 already fell for it.

But they seem to gobble it up.

[BG11579]

So, has Major Nelson told anything that ended up being the true? He said that the 26th of September, MS would reveal the truth power of the Xbone and it would be a game changer...

One again, just like the switch, it was PR bullshit. That's disappointing.

[Metfanant]

they know they cant match the PS4 on pure power...

[OSIRUSSS]

This holiday is gonna be like a Snuff Film!

[2paclives]

Micro-ish will now just focus extensively with fantasy football and kinect games. Ps4ever!

[2paclives]

Xbonerz just need to admit how next gen and beautiful killzone shadow fall is.

[GraveLord]

"“Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.
Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”"

PR BULLLLLLLLL!!!
As if the PS4 isn't balanced and wont have all the blockbuster games? You're not even trying anymore Microsoft.

[jgrigs09]

They need to just shut up. If they keep on arguing about the specs, it's not going to go anywhere. Release the console, make games
and do other crap. Other then that, don't talk about it. I could careless about the graphics, I just care about the games that's all. Microsoft are giving me those games. But honestly, just stop responding to that crap.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

All the negative attacks and lie article is going to hurt Edge magazine. Don't be surprised if Microsoft, Apple, Google and Samsung start pulling their advertising dollars away from Edge Magazine. They do make products that competes with ps4 and are looking at all tjis negative bs and may feel they will get the same treatment.

The 50% more fast is bs and mularkey. A developer will not come out and say this console is 50% more faster while under strict NDA. And their is no way to prove this when no side by side benchmark tests have yet to be done.

[Jamaicangmr]

"All the negative attacks and lie article is going to hurt Edge magazine."

Negative attacks? How so when devs have been stating this for sometime now. You and other just choose to not believe. Beside if the tables were turned you wouldn't be claiming its a negative attack.

"Microsoft, Apple, Google and Samsung start pulling their advertising dollars away from Edge Magazine. They do make products that competes with ps4 and are looking at all tjis negative bs and may feel they will get the same treatment."

Just stop now you're just reaching.

"The 50% more fast is bs and mularkey. A developer will not come out and say this console is 50% more faster while under strict NDA. And their is no way to prove this when no side by side benchmark tests have yet to be done."

Ok lets for argument sake say they broke the NDA and what not. Does that change the likelihood of it being true though?

What about the cloud what about Kinect, why hasn't MS been banging on those drums to save face?

MS needs to stop boasting about upclocks on weaker hardware because they know that it doesn't make much difference and just focus on building Kinect experience to match the lofty expectations they have placed in the minds of consumers. They lost the specs war now focus on what they claimed where their advantages the cloud and Kinect.

Simple.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

As i stated what devs. All devs are under strict NDA including Sony. These articles are bs and bunch of mularkey. These articles are created so that folks cn justify their purchase when the ps4 graphics dont look as good or worse than x1 .

[Jamaicangmr]

"These articles are created so that folks cn justify their purchase when the ps4 graphics dont look as good or worse than x1 ."

But they do though.... Have you seen this?

Link: http://n4g.com/news/1353556...

I can't say Drive Club looks 40% to 50% better i mean there is no standardized scale by which to do so.

However you are a gamer and have been for many many year. I'd like to believe that somewhere deep inside you that gamer that calls a spade a spade and give credit where it is due still exist.

I won't even hit disagree as that's not what i'm about.

But come on bro.

[SilentGuard]

MS shot themselves in the foot with their Kinect fetish. They spent so much time and money developing and pushing Kinect they didn't create the most powerful console they could. All for the sake of some voice commands. As for XBOne being a complex console, isn't that a problem the PS3 had? Being complex and harder to develop for, such as using the ESRAM, isn't a good thing.

“They really want us to make use of platform specific stuff to give their version a leg up over the other,” said one source.

In the end including Kinect in every box will do nothing for the accessory as the quote shows. Using it would make any game a console exclusve.

[Sadist3]

Hey, since most of you people are fools lets me help you guys out with something...if you wait 2 months, you can actually see if there is any difference between games. Wow! Look at that! I'm a genius apparently, since no one figured that out and are arguing about crap they don't KNOW yet because they can't see the FUTURE.

[corvusmd]

How many times do we have to tell kids, and "nameless devs" that this claim of 30-50% more power is not only false/short-sighted/not actually going to amount to better games? This is getting really really dumb, did Sony fans not learn this last gen, they had 6-7 years to learn, and STILL haven't learned...and the power "advantage" is even less this time. The systems DO NOT work the same as each other...comparing the few little specs that you pick and choose to compare because they look better on paper...DOES NOT create better games...stop pretending you are all computer engineers. If you were, neither of these consoles would see the light of day. MS is right...stop comparing when you have no clue what you are talking about, and just let the games speak for themselves...so far there is NOTHING that even closely says that PS4 is even more powerful at all...let alone 50% more powerful...it's a pipe dream. The funny thing, is that the kids pushing this rumor are usually the same ones that dismiss the "cloud" and want to pretend it's nothing...except that it HAS been proven to be more powerful and much better.

[srd4484]

well said. They take a number that most of them don't even know what it means and run with it. MS hasn't even released the final GPU spec. The 2 systems are customized. The XB1 is a lot more Customized than the ps4. DOnt pretend we dont know that. Once all the final specs are released from sony and MS and tested by Digital Foundry, then we can brag. But as of right now, it's kinda foolish to be throwing numbers out there. Esp. this 50% crap. Are you really getting this number from comparing 1 spec? And that's how you rank a system.
Everything MS says is a gimmick or PR. The Cloud is real, the dedicated servers are real. NAMED Developers have come out and said so. So unless you're a MS or Sony Engineer, just shut up already. You know know crap about how anything works. most of you don't even know that GPU means.

[jessupj]

Wow, what a joke.

You downplay the hardware difference, yet in the same paragraph have the audacity to say the cloud is proven.

Wow, just wow.

No where has the cloud been proven at all. Actually scratch that, it has been proven to be nothing more than dedicated servers from countless devs.

And it's the devs that are calling out the 50% power difference. Let me say that again. It's the DEVS that are stating the significant hardware difference. We've been hearing the same thing for a while.

The launch titles are not going to be indicative of the true power difference. Just wait a year, the difference will be quite noticeable. However, KZ and Infamous are already performing better than anything we've seen on the xbone.

The xbone is inferior, deal with it. If you can't than maybe you should get a PS4 instead of being a stubborn fanboy.

[Evil_Ryu]

"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”

That is the perfect way to respond...good job microsoft pr you are getting smarter...(i hope)

[srd4484]

Just wait till Sept 26th @ Eurogamer when Phil Harrison has his presentation. FYI AMD reveals Sept 25th, which may mean NDA lifts for both Sony and MS.

[AutoCad]

So far thats what it looks like...
SONY over there using their 50% plus advantage on indies.

We will see what console is the best in 3 years

[Belking]

We all know that 50% stuff is jut PR. When Sony gets their exclusive games to run at a higher frame rate , then they can talk. Until then all I see is killzone and drivelub running at half the frame rate as other titles. So much for being more powerful. When I look at the games I see forza , Ryse, and games like quantum break which are more impressive. The only game I've seen from Sony that is impressive looking is infamous...... But it's not more impressive than ms offerings.

[srd4484]

I don't get why everyone is talking how awesome Killzone looks. I don't recall any game being played on an actual PS4 console.

[ivnheim]

Microsoft has hited rock bottom and it does not seem that they are capable of finding a way out.

The Xbone is beyond redemption at this point.

And the Xbone killer are those little extra $100 bucks that they are charging for an inferior machine.

R.I.P. Xbone "No One Will Miss You"

[mochachino]

Lol MS talking about games when they spent the last 3 years focusing on Kinect games that played terribly.

MS is going to support its 360 games for 3 years. PS2 was supported for 10 years. Just saying something doesn't make it true MS, gamers judge by actions (well those less amenable to PR, commericals and marketing BS).

I think MSs problem is that they assume the majority of gamers are less intelligent and informed than they are.

Not everyone is mindless 12 year old. Besides, even they probably grew up over the gen developing greater critical thinking skills.

[GinkgoID]

I actually think that was an intelligent response from Microsoft. There is no point arguing "its not true" again, it wouldn't convince anyone who already believes it. Plus, it is highly unlikely that MS has got their hands on a PS4 to actually know if it is true or not. Only 3rd party devs with both development kits are in that position and unfortunately for MS they are the ones saying it (not Sony).

Clearly this matters and gamers do care, otherwise there wouldn't be so many articles, comments going round the internet. However, what MS say is true. There is a whole lot more than just raw power that contributes to any console, what it is capable of and hence its success. The #1 being games. Extra power will help games be prettier, so it is important, but so is gameplay, story etc.

In the end, the console with the best games will win, and I am not talking about just the few at launch. The battles for 2014 and 2015 will be key.

What is worrying for MS is that they have so far announced 22 games for release in 2014 and Sony has announce 41. (based of Wikipedia). Quantity does not speak to quality, but assuming both side have a mixture of good/bad, then that is concerning.

[oscarcat59]

I for one have not seen any games on either console better than the other. If one is 50percent stronger I would think it would be obvious. I see only kids arguing who's toy is better.

[hadouken007]

They probably sayin let da games speak cause there gonna do the devs like last time, gimp our version to make theres shine.

[bligmerk]

What happened to the official MS corporate response, "We do not respond or comment on rumors or speculation."

Oh wait, since there is response and comment from MS, then these aren't rumors or speculation, they are FACT! PS4 is 50% faster and more powerful than the XBone, CONFIRMED!

[cunnilumpkin]

this is really bad, if the xbox1 is really 50% weaker than the ps4 (I kinda doubt it) that means it is REALLY weak

the ps4 is weak to begin with, it cannot even run BF4 in 1080p, a high end pc from 2010 will be able to

so far Ryse looks better than anything shown on ps4 except for fake trailers like deep down that actually look AWFUL in real gameplay recently released

I bet, in the end, the ps4 may have a 10% advantage, either way, they both will be weak sauce!

[arbitor365]

if you think that ryse looks better or is more technically impressive than killzone shadowfall, you need your eyes checked

and how did Deep Down look "awful?" it was captured low res off-camera, with incredible glare, and it was in a dark part of the game. and you are going to analyze it based on that?

this is the disease of delusion that has permeated the xbot community

[H0RSE]

They're called "opinions." They're kinda neat how everybody can have different ones...

There's no "delusion" in someone stating one games looks more impressive than another, even if the opposition is more technically impressive. Take Drive club and Forza. people from the PS4 camp keep touting how DC is technically superior to Forza, due to techniques like real time reflections and day/night cycles, but this doesn't mean that it automatically will look better than Forza, because you are arguing graphics and aesthetics, which aren't the same thing.

Both Forza and DC are stunning looking games, the fact that DC could be doing 10,000 different things that Forza isn't, doesn't change this. Technically speaking, DC may win, visually speaking it all comes down to preference. Personally I prefer the look and feel of Forza more. It seems to have more color and effects that appeal to me - it "pops" more than DC does.

[cunnilumpkin]

I think the xbox1 games look last gen too, just better than ps4 games

i'm not buying either for a long time

95% of all the ps4 and xbox1 games are on pc with way better graphics for less money

[5eriously]

Firstly get an education to develop that mind of yours, secondly a diet could be beneficial to your health and mind. Then cum back with an informed comment.

[windblowsagain]

You need specsavers, Run to the shop now and demand service.

PS4.

8 CUSTOM CORE CPU - AMD&SONY ENGINEERING.

1152 CORE CUSTOM GPU - AMD AND SONY ENGINEERING - DOES MORE THEN DX11 - SO SHH

Highend custom compute units.

Cunnilumpkin you do know that Nvidia sucks complete ass when it come to compute don't you? na didn't think so.

http://www.theinquirer.net/...

Yes you read it correctly.

In GPU compute.

a 7870 beats out a 680gtx.

cry me a river.

[arbitor365]

every time numerous devs come out in favor of the PS4, microsoft just gives vague damage controlling BS. if that doesnt validate that the PS4 is stronger I dont know what does.

just get out of the industry microsoft. youre a joke

[DJ]

Microsoft should have never picked this fight and should have never lied.

[SpideySpeakz]

Thanks MS. Free PS4 advertisement.

[BOLO]

Lol.

[bigboirock]

What the hell do y'all want the games to look like? Real life. No one complained when pong came out. Instead of wanting y'all's games to look like real life many you get should get a life!!!

With that said both systems look great!

IMO I played kz because I got a ps3 graphic we're awesome but gameplay sucked my opinion

[e-p-ayeaH]

"Let the games speak for themselves"

They could just said that! that´s the whole point for buying a console anyways.

[jakehammer]

I'm sorry, but isn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360? Yet, the 360 performed better in terms of functionality and sales. Why does it matter? If you're not buying the console, then don't worry about it. I'm still buying both consoles, but my first priority is the X1. I don't care who thinks the Ps4 is better or who thinks that the Xbox One is god, because they aren't going to be affecting the way I play games. It's like being a fanatic of a particular sport team. At the end of the day, YOU in particular accomplished nothing.

[strickers]

You need a maths lesson. 360 sold better???

[LakerGamerEnthusiast]

Hmmm so if they say that the games are running "near final hardware"
What does that say about the supposed mass production of the Xbox One having started already?

I could of sworn Major Nelson posted a picture of Xbox One consoles being produced on full cylinders a while ago...

But if they themselves say that the games are running NEAR final Hardware, what of the systems that have been made?

In the end, Yes, Let the GAMES speak for themselves.

[2pacalypsenow]

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

[coopman300]

As important as indie games have become and we're still argueing over graphic power. Indies are proof that graphics dont make the game. Even if games look a little better on ps4 doent mean games on xb1 will be any less enjoyable.

[horndog]

Seeing is believing and I beleive MS has a solid point. Where are the games that back the sony claim. Can anybody show me a game from the ps4 that looks like its 50% better than forza or ryse and that's NOT A TECH DEMO?? No, no such thing my blind friends.

[quenomamen]

No launch game has ever shown the full power of a console, not one. Come back in 2 years when the really good Devs,

(notice I said really good Devs, Infinity Ward & Treyarch don't count)

in 2 years when the really good Devs start to take advantage of the hardware we'll see the power start to show. Less of course MS starts paying Devs to gimp games on purpose (IW, Treyarch)

[DivineAssault]

Politics in the game industry is such BS! If M$ makes devs sign contracts that their games cant be in any way inferior to Sonys, i will start sending them loads of hate mail on a daily basis & start petitions to boy cot any & everything they release.. It prolly wont change much but ill feel better that i tried.. If their system is weaker, thats THEIR FAULT for releasing inferior hardware with a high price tag! I hope PS4 games arent held back because of M$ nx gen.. If they are, i hope PS4 crushes M$ once & for all.. Who knows? Maybe this will encourage publishers to make more & more 3rd party exclusives for PS4 that use it to its fullest potential.. If its not released on xb1, it wont be violating their contracts.. I dont blame devs for wanting to get money from every console so multiplats are a must but stupid policies like that shouldnt be allowed in this business.. Not like sega did that when they were in the console wars with nintendo & sony... This crap started with M$ & i hope it ends with them too is PS4 obliterates them which seems to be the case if pre order #s are anything to go by

[SynestheticRoar]

This is the reason I'm getting a PS4. I buy mostly exclusives for my collection.

[solidboss07]

It's remarkable how similar Microsoft and their XBone are to Lockheed Martin and the F35. Two massive American Corps. that dominate in their respective fields, but who can't see any competition because of convincing themselves that they are unbeatable.

The F35 programme has been a long and complicated journey that has ultimately failed. It is much too expensive, and underpowered, its a bloated heavy mess. The Aircraft can't 'Run.......Turn.....or Climb'. It is already obsolete.

The same description can be given of the XBone, just look, it can't 'Run.... Turn.....or Climb'. It is already proving to be underpowered and obsolete.

[Bolts]

This comparison is fail. The F35 is a stealth fighter, having to out turn or out climb it's opponent defeats the purpose of being a stealth fighter.

And if the Xbone is already obsolete then what does that make the PS4? Soon to be obsolete? Because consoles are generally obsolete on release date.

Overall I'm taking all this claims of superior hardware with a grain of salt. Because trust me, if the PS4 is indead 50% more powerful than the Xbone then the resolution and frame rates will not lie.

Show me BF 4 at 1080p and 60 FPS or GTFO. This benchmark requires raw power to reach, if the PS4 can do this on release date then rumors are true.

[solidboss07]

Ohh please kid. Since Vietnam or before we have heard all of this crap about no more dog fighting, and beyond visual range missile kills are the only future jet fighter engagements. Stealth might be good for Libyan or Syrian adversaries in the air and ground, but against a decent enemy with comparable aircraft just how to fuck will your missiles tell friend from foe in busy airspace. Visual range missile and cannon fighting means you need to Run, Turn, and Climb.

[JuniorCE]

Microsoft... you are just very said...

[BABY-JEDI]

This is a really crazy situation for MS to be in. If this is true then the life cycle of the XBone is going to be short lived. Which is really worrying for the fans.

[bigfish]

I'd go so far as to say that PS4 has almost around 70% more power then the Xbox.....

[H0RSE]

Anyone who thinks that the 50% difference is going to translate to 50% better looking/performing games on the PS4 across the board, is in for a rude awakening...

[quenomamen]

You may be right, but I'd still take a 10-20% better looking game and the extra $100.

[H0RSE]

But whose to say you'll even get that? It could be the case where you're paying less for a more powerful system, but don't see that power manifested in anything but exclusives, and even then, how much?

Now you may be all about Sony's exclusives, and I won't deny that make excellent first party games, but exclusives still make up a small margin of overall games released, and if this does does turn out to be the case, it just seems like a lot of either wasted power/potential, or the "power gap" was never really that big to begin with.

[quenomamen]

"let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives."

Guess their rehashed fighters form 1992 is one of those trump cards ?

[Theendgame]

I guess I'll try to defend microsoft.

The Xbox one has 15 co-processors that can handle physics and graphics.
The Xbox one's Cpu is faster than the Ps4's, and can handle texture's.

The cloud will be become an advantage as the bandwidth around the world improves.
The cloud can provide more Cpu power and ram.

[cabbitwithscissors]

You forgot this one :

Even this close to launch, “the hardware isn’t locked,” said another source. Sony and Microsoft are each still working on the graphics drivers for each console, and Xbox One is lagging behind in this regard – Microsoft “has been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them,” said one source. Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”. Both consoles’ graphics drivers will continue to improve right up to – and beyond – launch, which will even up the difference in performance a little.
Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer.

http://www.edge-online.com/...

[Chris12]

Edge have been Sony biased for months and until one of these supposed devs puts their name to their claims then is treat it all from both sides as BS

[Nekroo91]

The full list of technical specifications for the PlayStation 4 have been revealed by Sony at E3:

Recommended retail price: US $399, Canada $399, €399 and £349

CPU: x86-64 AMD "Jaguar" Single-chip custom processor
Number of Cores/Threads: 8/8 [1]
Frequency: 2.75 Ghz boost clock 1.6 Ghz base clock
Shared L2 Cache: 2 x 2MB [2]
Manufacturing Process: 28nm [3]

GPU: AMD next-generation Radeon based graphics engine
Peak Shader Throughput: 1.84TFLOPS [4]
GPU Cores: 1152 [5]

Memory: 8GB GDDR5
Frequency: 5500MHz [6]
System Memory Bus: 256-bits [7]
System Memory Bandwidth: 176.0GB/s [8]

and ALU . And retard!! the cloud wont do anything expect improving AI and Dedicated servers..god dam your dumb..
why?! because of internet bandwidth ,you have people with 1mb internet connection and other with over 100mb. and nvidia is the one with that technology and it allows you so use less resources not improving specs LOL

i have to give a bubble for funny because the cloud providing more cpu and ram was the funniest thing ive read in a while

[Theendgame]

Get your head outta your ass. The Xbox one is using Azure cloud. Azure cloud allows access to virtual cpu's and ram.

Like I said, Bandwidth is becoming less of an issue.Internet connections are becoming stronger. Before labeling me as a retard, look into this yourself! Maybe it's to hard for your fragile ignorant mind?

[5eriously]

Idiocy must be one of the most unwanted genetic inheritances ever.

No further comment as you wont make be able to comprehend any of it.

[Theendgame]

I'm sorry,but I am unable to comprehend your post.

[5eriously]

My point in case!

Thanks

[Nekroo91]

"Azure applications in gaming

Now, let’s see what you could do with all that power.

The first and most obvious application of Azure on Xbox One is making Xbox Live more powerful and useful. All your downloaded games and achievements would be synced and available wherever you are.
You would also have dedicated servers for every multiplayer game you participate in. Multiplayer matches would be able to host up to 128 gamers in a single session.
Xbox Live currently runs on 15,000 servers, but it will soon move to a stunning 300,000 servers later this year for the Xbox One launch. That’s a lot of power dedicated to making Xbox Live better.

Second (and this is a bit more crazy), developers can offload computational tasks to the cloud instead of relying on physical hardware to do the heavy lifting. Necessary game computations for physics, rendering, and the like could be immensely enhanced with a connection to powerful virtual servers in the cloud.

just like i said, the cloud computing does the work instead of the hardware and that allows the consoles use less resources it doesent increases the cpu or memory or gpu dummy .
The same way mark cerny said the ps4 also could do that but the international bandwith isnt powerfull enough.

Wait untill next next gen, and even then...the country with better average speed is south korea with 14.1. US average is 8.6...
For cloud comptuting to work without having any latency whatsoever it will take a decade

dont post any coments when you dont know how things work so you dont keep making a fool of yourself.

thank you come again

[5eriously]

All the eXBots must just enjoy your eXBoned's. We will enjoy at minimum the same level, or even greatly improved, quality and professional games that Sony and the PS3 endowed on us,... not something an eXBox360 owner can relate to considering the RROD fiasco and lack of AAA support last few years and also considering the lack of AAA games the last few years. I cannot even fathom why someone will still support Microsoft after these experiences,.....I guess self punishment or idiocy comes to mind. Maybe the perceived M$ motto of " Lets starve them for games then we break new records on the repeat IP sales" holds true.

I will get an PS4 first and foremost for I trust in Sony delivering. Secondly I got used to AAA content no other system yet surpassed or can reproduce. I will evaluate a XBone in a few months/years and see if M$ changed and if the hardware and related support is worth the effort and cost. Then I will get a XBone purely for the Kinect experience unless the Sony VR became a reality. I will first spend the cash where it matters most.

[Mister_G]

November can't come quick enough :D

So Mark Cerny was right about ESRAM been hard to code for.

[Game-o-holic]

How come the bad looking PS3 multiplatform games were allowed to ship? Not sure why it's not allowed this gen.

[silvacrest]

MS are all but confirmed that the PS4 is more powerful without actually saying it

look past the PR speak and notice what wasn't said

[Groo]

Nice to see the "billions" Microsoft has claimed to spend on research and development actually applied to building of the XBone console. Cheap components and BS is all that everyone has heard so far...

[The Captain]

Oh MS - Just admit it..... Your PR comebacks are horrible and the consumer can see the truth.

You must really think we are stupid!! You proved that at X1's announcement and continue to hit the nail on the head!

[KontryBoy706]

It's freaking ridiculous that they are going to consider dumbing down the PS4's multiplats to "not ruffle feathers". That's some bulls***. Here we go, I can see it already PS4 exclusives looking stellar but multiplats looking the same or better on Xbox One. What's the freaking point of competition anymore. I don't remember the original Xbox's multiplats being dumbed down to PS2 standards.

[H0RSE]

This has kinda been an industry standard for some time now - it's called "system parity." It is one of the reasons I have been saying that despite the power of the PS4, multiplats will likely look largely the same. If you want to see games for each console "shine," pay attention to exclusives.

[ShwankyShpanky]

It's called "ENFORCED system parity." Thanks MS. We'll see if MS still has the pull to keep up this charade once console sales figures start coming in.

[corvusmd]

What are you guys doing!?!?! You can't post articles like this, or the one about MS becoming a chip manufacturing powerhouse....you're gonne make Sony fanboys cry. The only way they can sleep at night is because PS4 has higher paper specs in a few areas. Nevermind that they haven't and can't be proven to be effective...the paper clearly says so!!! If you keep putting out facts like this, Sony fanboys will have nothing to troll about. Let them have their moment while it lasts, they will realize on their own that it's not what it appears to be...and if they don't...they deserve not to know, and XBL will be all the better without that ignorance.

[bigboirock]

it doesn't matter when i get the ps4 its going to be connected through the hdmi in on the xbox one lol

[wiz7191]

I think gaming should be more about gameplay instead of graphical power.. I mean a good looking game is a great thing but if the gameplay is ass what the point of playing it.. for example, creytek games looking absolutely stunning but they are notorious for so-so gameplay

[DialgaMarine]

What is it with M$ right now? Their like a little kid. All they do is claim, "No, You're wrong. You don't what you're talking about. You're misinformed.", all without actually giving any real reasons behind such claims. Why don't they actually back their statements up for a change? From what I have read, actual developers working on both systems have said either 1 of 2 statements: That both systems are very close, or the PS4 is substantially more powerful. Not once have I heard anyone, besides some ignorant M$ PR rep, say that the XBone is more powerful. M$ is just getting more and more desperate by the day.

[AceBlazer13]

Ha!

[caffman]

Don't care, buying both. Like a true gamer would

[ZHZ90]

Thank God, PS4TW.