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Microsoft emerges as a CPU force with Xbox One and Kinect

Microsoft is not the first name that comes to mind when you think of revolutionary chip design, but that perception is likely to change once the Xbox One and Kinect hit the market. The chip design in the game console and motion detection sensor are unlike anything on the market, at least at that price point.

AngelicIceDiamond3877d ago

"Among the 50 MCUs are 15 special processors that can handle things like graphics and physics processing. The result is a chip and system that are freakishly powerful and would make any PC gamer drool. The DRAM can access the CPU cache at a rate of 30GB/sec. and non-CPU cache at 68GB/sec. The embedded RAM can transfer data at a rate of 204GBs/sec to different parts of the chip."

That's pretty damn good. The X1 is no slouch in graphics processing.

4Sh0w3877d ago

Very interesting. I think people are really underestimating microsoft. When these things land in the wild its going to be crazy.

NewMonday3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

it's an AMD chip not MS

the article is ambiguous, can't make any sense out of it

@Redgehammer

the writer is mixing the Kinect chip with the AMD APU, proves he dosn't know what he is talking about.

christocolus3877d ago

been saying this for a long time....the xbox one games actually show that the console can handle graphics very well...

ma1asiah3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@ newmonday come again -

"Microsoft's upcoming Xbox One gaming console will contain a custom chip the company designed in conjunction with Advanced Micro Devices with the aim of delivering maximum graphics performance"

http://www.pcworld.co.nz/ar...

Speaking at the Hot Chips engineering conference at Stanford University, Microsoft chip architect John Sell said the Xbox One’s main processor is a gargantuan beast, codesigned with Advanced Micro Devices and manufactured by contract chip manufacturer Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.

http://venturebeat.com/2013...

sorry I could list many more sources that say the same thing.....Its a co designed chip between MS and AMD not a tweaked AMD chip

black0o3877d ago

@ma1asiah same thing cloud be said about the ps4 as well, by the end of the day the core chip is based ON AMD tech.

ma1asiah3877d ago

@ Black0o

The difference is as is stated here

"The CPU and GPU are on a "very large single custom chip" created by AMD for Sony"

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

SONY did not design or co design the custom chip this was all AMD so no, spin it however you will the same can not be said of the PS4.

No_Limit3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Good to hear. Nov 22 can't come fast enough! Forza 5 and Ryse already looking amazing so even if it is a tad bit less power than the PS4, it really doesn't make a difference at this point. It has the games I wanted to play and that is what that is matter at this point.

thechosenone3877d ago

Killer Instinct 720p/60fps(they can't even hit 1080/60 in a fighting game)

BF4 720p/60fps

Forza 5 less cars than Forza 4, no real time weather or day/night or global illumination...so sad

Dead Rising 3 "We're targeting 30 frames a second," lol

ma1asiah3877d ago

AMEN @ No_Limit A FRIGGEN MEN couldn't have said it better myself.

black0o3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@ma1asiah
http://www.tomshardware.com...

''AMD's Vice President of Global Communications and Industry Marketing John Taylor recently "elaborated" on the APU that is packed in Sony's semi-announced PlayStation 4 console. He said the new gaming console is the first announced design win based on a semi-custom AMD APU which was >> jointly << developed in >>>coordination <<< with Sony''

so who's spinning things here ME or U ??

ma1asiah3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@ Black0o

LMFAO

"jointly << developed in >>>coordination <<< with Sony''

WTF so SONY supervised, oversaw the development of the chip AMD MADE however you want to put it.

This is still not the same thing dude as co designed or working in conjunction with AMD they didn't physically assist with its creation they said yay or nay to different design schematics AMD would put forward and would put forward a few suggestions that is really the nuts and bolts of what " jointly developed in coordination with SONY" means.

I am not spinning nothing as I am not the one who is so quick to dismiss something just because I do not like the company or the platform it happens to be on.

Check my history 70% of the time I try to paint a balance of opinion between both consoles yet at the same time yes I have a preference and yes that is the X1 BUT still I don't right the PS4 off just because it happens to be SONY either. I think it is a very awesome console just not my first choice.

nukeitall3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

MS customized and re-engineered the Xbox One chip to become a monster. MS built into the chip the ability to instantly overlay video and apps for instant switching and side-by side viewing.

Even high end PC require separate hardware to do something similar, let alone a $500 console.

MS has a chip for just about anything from encoding/decoding video, audio and so on.

Xbox One is a beast, and that is why games like Ryse is the best looking game on any console!

@thechosenone:

DriveClub still 1080p at 30fps, aiming and prayig it might hit 60fps.

Forza 5 always been 1080p at 60fps!

Same genre, same type of game, and both launch titles except PS4 has supposed easier development and 50% more raw power. What does that tell you?

Somebody is lying and the proof is right there!

Redgehammer3877d ago

@Newmonday 2

This seems like a transition to me.

"Then came the Kinect group, and that was even more impressive."

Computersaysno3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

My phone can easily overlay video rofl at the guy who said PC can't do it with more hardware. It's not that difficult a thing to do. A cheap android box can do all that. Windows 95 pretty much had it down kid with everything since becoming more and more capable.

What do you think 'windows' means? Huge facepalm.

Microsoft's chip looks decently engineered for media like but not that impressive for games by 2013 PC standards. PS4 has the hardware advantage no question and it'll still have a vast amount of media capability to satisfy most people.

The beauty of having a much more powerful GPU optimised for modern compute standards with better queuing ability than Xbone means Sony can load up the GPU with extra general compute tasks.

ziggurcat3877d ago

@ nukeitall:

"Same genre, same type of game, and both launch titles except PS4 has supposed easier development and 50% more raw power. What does that tell you? "

as it's been pointed out time, and time again: everything's baked, there are less cars, smaller environments, etc... in forza. driveclub has dynamic lighting, more cars, and much larger environments. what does that tell you? because it tells everyone else that driveclub is doing much more to push the hardware than forza. you're going to look awfully foolish when driveclub achieves 60fps, *and* does all of the things froza doesn't.

ryse struggles to maintain 30fps, and DR3 is struggling to even hit 30fps. what does that tell you? killer instinct, a fighting game that is not exactly resource heavy, isn't even 1080p. what does that tell you?

and yes, there certainly has been a lot of lying... but none of it has even come from sony or the devs making their games.

Caffo013877d ago

@nukeitall

Ryse best looking WHAT?!?

Put some glasses on, you need it LOL

FamilyGuy3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Seriously guys, which picture looks better here?

http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...

The X1 definitely is no slouch, it's a powerful gaming consoles with many amazing features as well as a host of titles that fans are eager to play. There's no argument there. Where there is an argument is where people look at MSs games, then look at Sonys games and still consider MS to be on top. Seeing games from both and claiming you can't see a power difference. Or even worse that MS games look or play better.

I'm not blind and if you're reading this and playing video games then I'm fairly certain that you aren't blind either. In every comparison video of any game chosen we see far more "special effects", next-gen visuals, going on in the PS4 games.

I completely understand having a favorite game or a favorite console or even a favorite company but don't let that blind you.

We all agree Titanfall looks incredibly fun
We all agree The Division looks amazing
We all laughed at Call of Duty having a dog and "fish that move out of your way"

Why is it that we disagree on this???

Computersaysno3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Sony spent their transistor budget on graphics hardware and then it seems added secondary off die ARM processors to deal with audio/video/OS concerns in the background.

Microsoft wasted a huge bunch of their transistor budget with on die memory and audio Co processors. A massive amount of that die is just eSRAM which Sony don't need and used for more GPU space. It's clever in the sense that it's all integrated onto one die but also stupid in that they are going to give away a lot of graphics performance to PS4. THEY JUST WILL!

Xbox one's single die is admirable engineering but at the end of it they will be killed on games performance. They will be. This discussion shouldn't even still be going on. For sure they will be. I'll guarantee it now.

Sony built the better games focused hardware and then added extra off die processing after and it's just better for the future. They can integrate all that on one die 18 months down the line anyway with the next die shrink to 20nm. That'll be ready this time next year actually.

By deciding to stuff everything on one chip Microsoft Have made sure the console is cheap to make and simpler but it'll never be as powerful as spreading other processes onto separate chips like ps4 does and using the main die budget for the most important games hardware.

DoubleM703877d ago

Yup! All this talk about being under powered is going right out the door when they hit the streets.

DoesUs3877d ago

@Elite/Topgamer

FACT. MS Made a dependable machine based around a DD3 setup...chucked a load of custom silicon to aleviate the bandwidth issues. You spout about these "15 processors magic" Do you actually know what these are? If you did, you wouldn't be touting them as some secret sauce. And please for the love of god, STOP posting about the bandwidth figures, they are borked and you know they are. Only 32meg of data can be utilised in the EDRam, Sony has....well they have it all (minus overheads) running at its maximum. But please, carry on...Its hilarious seeing you squirm, like you have since E3.

Sony got lucky as larger GDDR5 modules became available, but also chucked a load of custom silicon inside to further enhance. All this before the vastly superior GPU is plonked in 8)

MS created the XB1 as best they could in the time available using the resources set aside.

Sony did exactly the same..only struck gold once the large modules became available.

Simple.

See you in November.

P0werVR3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

The thing to me that stands out are the "15 special purpose processors" and eSRAM.

But oh boy, those special purpose processors seems very exotic. If they can offload CPU/GPU processes then the whole architectural design is a BEAST indeed.

I mean to the person that is so use to putting basic components together and relying on raw specs, compared to reading and looking at the pics it's just a beautiful symphony...IMO at least.

If the design can truly have strong sustainable numbers, then Xbox One is truly powerful along with it's feature...truly next gen.

EDIT:

@Doesus

WHOA!

32megs of eDRAM?!

Just stop it. You downplaying the 15 MCUs alone goes to show how much you don't know about them. And how you make the common assumption by most of you dimwitts claiming that just because the eSRAM has only 32mbs it ONLY HOLDS 32mbs at a time.

The eSRAM is more like a scratchpad memory where it "spits out" chunks (32mb) of data for rapid use, so GB/s (204GB/s peak) of data for use by the GPU. Then comes in the 15 MCUs where it then compress and scale textures and helps in offloading. Therefore leaving the GPU for graphics ONLY.

dantesparda3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

"Microsoft emerges as a CPU force with Xbox One and Kinect" No its not! Im sorry but you fanboys are pathetic, there is nothing imoressive about these system's low power tablet cpu's. And to hear some of you's talk like it so impressive, is just sad. Fanboys are pathetic!

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Insomnia_843877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

The thing is, they have nothing to back up what they say as always. They keep throwing numbers and big words like "SPECIAL PROCESSORS, FREAKISHLY POWERFUL, POWER OF THE CLOUD, INCREDIBLE POWER OF KINECT, POWER OF SKYPE (>__> not joking, they actually said that)" but have nothing to show, NOTHING! Go take a look at the comparison of Ryse and Deep Down and you will see, DD takes the crown and it's coming out next year and already looking better than Ryse that's coming out in two months.

The devs have spoken, one of them even said that us gamers will be blown away by the graphical difference between the two consoles in a year or two and....why would Microsoft be looking at ways to upgrade what they have already at the last minute? They recently made insignificant upgrades to the GPU speed, 6% to be more exact, and upgraded the graphics drivers that the developers have so that they can fine tune better their games. They know they have a disadvantage but they can't let the competiton get away with it so easily, so they will say whatever they can and try their best with the hardware they already have but it can only go so far, if they upgraded only 6% then that's the best thay can do.

Facts are facts, they will talk and talk, but nothing will change unless they change their hardware and it's too late for that.

The Playstation 4 is 30% to 50% more powerful.

DEAL WITH IT MICROSOFT!

maniacmayhem3877d ago

And yet the same can be said about the PS4.

20% more power and yet their games are graphically identical to the Xbox One.

There has been just as many devs who have gone on record to say that the differences will be miniscule at best.

I'm sure both consoles will produce abslute stunning effects in a year or two. But I doubt one will have a huge leap over the other.

Redgehammer3877d ago

The facts won't be out until after they are released, and benchmarking gets done by all the tech sites. Then you can return here In jubilation that your rumors were correct, or return dejected, after learning the X1 is not the underpowered piece of crap you believe it is, or sigh in acceptance when you find out that parity exists between the 2 consoles. I think they both will be powerful.

wtopez3877d ago

Always a fanboy waving the meager PS4 specs d*ck around an Xbox thread. Well a single discrete mid-range PC GPU is more than 30% to 50% more powerful than the whole PS4 system. And with AMD releasing it's new line GPUs before the actual console is out, the power difference will only get more embarrassing.

Mike134nl3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Its hard to compare at the moment there is more info available on the custom chip design of the xb1 compared to the ps4. They will need to explain these things if both consoles are indeed comparable in specs.

Special processors: dedicated to audio for kinect use makes sense.
Freakisly powerful: Not really Sony already/also said they have the most powerful hardware
Power of cloud: Not really yes it is freely available to al devs because of low pricing. Though no services such as gaikai are yet beeing used as Microsoft deems this to expensive
Kinect: great piece of tech but remains to be seen if usefull for gaming
Skype: no 3d skype maybe on ps4

In the end the games will have to proof which console might or might not be better

t3rrorc3ll3877d ago

I'm also glad I can see the launch of ps4 in the US then the Xbox one then I will gtr my ps4 on the 29th November. To me it allows time for me to switch. If the ONE does have some secret sauce and is more powerful I will pick it up and be a sole Microsoft gamer again. But gotta admit deep down destroys all of that which has been shown on the ONE so far. But I am in no way stuck with my choice so far

NextGen24Gamer3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Lets break down what we know from HotChips...Facts only...

"15 special processors that can handle things like graphics and physics processing."

You see, that's why the gpu, that can do 1.3 TFLOPS can compete with the gpu in the ps4 that does 1.8 TFLOPS. Those 15 special processors take an incredible load off of the GPU...It makes the xbox one more efficient. That's the part of the "ON PAPER" argument that fanboys don't understand, until developers for BOTH consoles get their hands on it and can talk about it. Which leads me to the fact that a developer already said he was surprised at ONE of the consoles power. Which only means that architecture in the xbox one surprised him because on paper the ps4 looked to be more powerful. If you use commons sense, it's easy to understand why the 15 special processors obviously make a HUGE difference in the performance of the system.

"The result is a chip and system that are freakishly powerful and would make any PC gamer drool. The DRAM can access the CPU cache at a rate of 30GB/sec. and non-CPU cache at 68GB/sec. The embedded RAM can transfer data at a rate of 204GBs/sec to different parts of the chip."

Once again, the custom architecture is showing that simple numbers mean very little. It's another aspect of their custom design that makes the xbox one freakishly powerful. Which would explain why Microsoft has stated that its capable of doing 4k games. Something that Sony has confirmed that the ps4 can't do! If you take off your fanboy glasses, it all makes sense. But that's something that ON PAPER stats won't show. It's complicated for MS to explain this to fanboys who only want to hear about TFLOPS from the GPU. LOL....There is much more to it. Developers are surprised....Why is that? LOL

"Microsoft used PC standards – an x86 CPU, a DirectX 11 GPU and DDR3 memory – but it threw out the traditional PC architecture to create a beast."

This is all from HOTCHIPS....MS has built a custom BEAST and the key word once again is architecture....Not raw simplistic numbers...They have architecture that takes the workloads that GPU's normally have to do, and put them in DPU's...15 special custom ones....That means the GPU operates more efficiently....

Very good read, super excited for the xbox one...super excited for when the NDA lifts and we get more specific details on the architecture that we have had a small peak of....Sure people thought there was a DGPU....I was one of them, but the inside information never said that, he only gave tidbits and people ran with it...What we do know to be a fact just based off of HOTCHIPS, is that the CPU/GPU is massive and incredibly customized...and MS reps have said over and over again, that the specs on paper that everyone is throwing around doesn't tell the entire story....September 30th, we should get more of the story!

Slobberknocker below me....

Its a fact that MS has stated on several occasions that the xbox one is fully capable of doing 4k games. Obviously the 15 custom DPU's have a lot to do with that. Just because you don't understand something...doesn't mean it's not capable...I know fanboys want to believe MS is lying, but HOTCHIPS proves their is much more than meets the eye and still some info in the gpu that is UNKNOWN as of now.

shahab913877d ago

@elite24gamer

"Which would explain why Microsoft has stated that its capable of doing 4k games."

Dude just stop right there and snap out of your delusion. Even a high end pc with a freaking TITAN in it can't properly do 4k gaming. Just stop.

shahab913877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@elite24

Lol delusion is all time high in n4g. You are saying to me x1 is capable of 4k gaming yet ryse, dead rising 3 are not even able to achieve 60fps in 1080p. Are you nuts or what?

ziggurcat3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@ elite24gamer:

uh no... MS has never said that 4K games were possible, or is this another delusion you've read from misterx and his "insider" who has been wrong at every single turn (yet you keep drinking that kool-aid). you're probably taking them saying that xbone supports 4K resolution to mean that they could do 4K resolution games.

4K support will be limited to video playback, not games, on both xbone and PS4.

"Sure people thought there was a DGPU....I was one of them, but the inside information never said that"

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/...

uh... that's *exactly* what this so-called "insider", and misterx were saying... that there was a dGPU. you even spammed this place (in almost every single thread you posted in) with that nonsense. and now you're spewing this DPU nonsense... more wishful thinking that's going to end up in sheer disappointment.

and there isn't even any proof that a NDA even exists, yet you keep bringing it up. given the track record of your "sources", you're definitely in for a big surprise, but it's not going to be anywhere near as great as you think it is. for all we know, it could all be kinect-related.

Caffo013877d ago

@maniacmayhem
games on X1 are not even close to the graphics of INFamous, DD or KZ..

tigertom533877d ago

I Think we all agree that some specs are 50% better or even 2.5x but that doesn't translate to games run twice quality or twice the frame rate it just doesn't work that way with computers and software. Microsoft doesn't brag about being the most powerful like Sony has which Microsoft would agree, but disagree that you would have 30 or 50 percent better performance in game play. My estimation it will be close to 10 or 15 percent in game performance 5 or 10 FPS which really not going to separate the two consoles by much and it all about the games and features that you will be purchasing the consoles on.

Nekroo913877d ago

@tigertom53

actually 5 to 10 fps increase its not 10 or 15% better performance its actually 23 to start...

joefrost003877d ago

Besides numbers what do sony have to back up their claims cause Im looking at the games and from what I see sony is lying
But Im not suprised by sony's actions they did the same thing in 2005 when they put up a lot of numbers and showed a lot of movies saying it was "gameplay"( Im still waiting on that version of motorstorm I saw
MS was showing real gameplay on PC dev kits in 2005 and everyone was saying the same thing then as they are now
Ask any dev or gaming journalists and they will tell you sony has a bad history with over promising about console performance from the duck demo and "Toy story Graphics" in 2000 to the movies in 2005
The keep hearing the ps4 is x amout more powerful I heard the same thing last gen and we saw how that turned out
I think it was the producer at square enix not sure look it up but he said the same thing my brother in law that does network code for activision
YOU CANT COMPARE CUSTOMIZE SYSTEMS BY JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS
Like for example the ps4 has a more compute shaders but MS has 15 or more special processors that the ps4 dont
Its common sense if I have a system that is 50% more powerful and its easier to develop for(which most devs have been saying about the ease of development) I dont care how much time or even if I had crappy developers which is not the case sony has some of the best developers in the game
With that big of a gap it would be noticed from the jump
I expected this attitude from sony thinking about 2005 but what I didnt expect that people would fall for the same thing twice

opinska3877d ago

you an idiot, total bs :)

tigertom533877d ago

@Nekroo91

It Depends on what the FPS "Frames Per Second" that you comparing it to. If it is 60FPS 10% of that would be 6 FPS faster 20% would be 12 FPS faster which is probable closer to what the PlayStation is able to do. Sony's PlayStation going to have the largest percentage at a higher resolutions and a lower percentage at a lower resolutions.

Regis3877d ago

You do realized everything that came out for deep down is CG trailer you know that right?

adventureghost1243877d ago

@maniacmayhem

what are you talking about? Sony's games look way better graphically and its nearly 50% more powerful.
Sure there are some devs who say that differences are miniscule but thats mainly because they are developing for both consoles and they are not going to cause a rift between either of them. And there have been a lot of indie devs and others like Guerrilla and Sucker Punch who have continuously given praise to the PS4.

DoubleM703877d ago

Do you actually think hardware that cost around the same to purchase is %30 to %50 pecent more powerful than the other? Sony has always known to over estimate and under deliver. It's always been like this Insomnia84.

You ever herd of Emotion Engine and toy story graphics? What about the head guy at Sony stating you better get two jobs to buy a PS3. Just sure arrogance that the PS3 was going to kick the 360's ass. What about a Network that was hacked and it took Sony 5 days to admit it? Tons of credit cards and personal information was stolen.

All I'm saying is don't believe Sony Shit don't stink either. You all want Microsoft to do bad in this new Generation, but why? Comeptition is good for the consumer. Without it you wouldn't be getting a PS4 or a 180 with DRM.

strifeblade3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Deep Down is randomly generated dungeons/ caves with one enemy on screen. Ryse has tons of enemies, an actual battlefield, with tons happening in the background. Don't compare deepdown to ryse, its a joke, Deepdown's budget will not even touch Ryse. Deep down may not even be headed towards NA/EU and the randomly generated dungeons with randomly generated enemies seem to enforce this prospect of low budget niche game for the japanese.

Playstation being 30%-50% powerful? The gpu is technically weaker by 40.67%, but msoft have a better cpu by atleast 9% customizations done to the cpu that we cannot calculate. The esram set up msoft have going may be worthwhile and it could very well surpass sony's gddr5 memory bandwidth- only time will tell how much the x1 can use of the theoretical 272gb/ps. Finally 50 Micro processors (MCU)- 15 of which can be used for graphics and physics calculation. Have you factored that into your equation?

The fact is the the x1 hardware is very customised and none of us can confirm the maximum output of the system since the architecture is not something we are use to.

These Sony trolls will have you believe the gpu is all that matters and will ignore any customizations X1 has- But guess why? Thats because the PS4 is devoid of custom architecture, and if you say otherwise then you contradict the many devs that claim its easy to develop due its "friendly" architecture.

Death3876d ago

You can't say one is all talk without anything to show without pointing to the other. Sony has been all talk too. The reason for this is the consoles haven't released.

The devs have not spoken. An annonymous dev allegedly spoke. Without a source or a name, what was said means nothing. Hideo Kojima has praised the Xbox One. http://gamingbolt.com/hideo...

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popup3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

My Wii U features a chip that, Billions of years ago, was formed from Molten Lava that had been cooled over many years by caring Polar Bears living in what we now call 'France' before being fed a special energy from the Sun called 'Sun Energy' for a further 1 Million years. Slowly, as the years passed, it began to resemble what scientists now call a 'Silicon Chip'. This chip was then stored by an inbred family of angry Squirrels until Humans were considered mature enough (something only they can decide)to take over it's care. It was a member of the that community, Reggie Fils-Aime, that was ultimately chosen and finally, it was given to the world in Nintendo's Wii U.

No disagrees please. They are messy and leave stains on the carpet.

yippiechicken3877d ago

Sir, I like your style. :)

MoonConquistador3874d ago

Nice one popup, that's the best laugh I've had on here for ages. A welcome respite from the arguing

showtimefolks3877d ago

can't we all be happy that games next gen will look better and hopefully play better?

ps4 is 50% more powerful
no now xbox one is better

who cares, games will decide which is better

seriously trolls on gaming sites spend more time trolling than actually playing any games, why can't we all just get along like a big gaming community?

enjoy ps3/xbox360/pc/wiiu now and later on we will enjoy next gen consoles

Insomnia_843877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

It was all good until Microsoft showed up in the console business with their arrogance and lies.

Death3876d ago

Things were great until Microsoft showed up and made bold claims like "the next gen starts when we say it starts" and then told gamers to get another job if they want to get their console. Then they had the audacity to label it a "Super Computer", which by now I'm pretty sure most of us have figured isn't true. Then they went on about the competitions console being less than "True HD". The list goes on about Microsoft and how they ruined gaming.

Animal Mutha 763877d ago

Lol at the disagrees you are getting for stating the truth. This site........!

Eonjay3877d ago

This chip-set is so inferior to the AMD PS4 chip-set that it is almost laughable.

beebap3877d ago

Right so microsoft tries to get into hardware side of things which is what sony do and have done..who think with experience available will have the most powerful console?

Death3876d ago

While usually I would be inclined to feel the same way, Sony subcontracted the PS4 out to Cerny and AMD with AMD doing most of the work. For the first time the Xbox has the more complex/exotic hardware, but still teamed up with the same chip manufacturer. Both started with the same basic combo chip and tweaked it.

Angeljuice3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

One slight worry:

" John Sell, the Xbox One's chip architect, said that the chance of defects was high because the chip was so complex, but Microsoft had designed in redundancies into the chip so that if one section was inoperable, it doesn’t kill the whole chip and we don't have a return of the dreaded Red Ring of Death."

On one hand this is a good thing (nobody wants RRoD pt2), on the other hand if the processor carries on working whilst one (or several) of these custom processors is crippled, then a lot of people won't be getting the full power of the system.
I'm sure the chip will make up for the 'broken' part, but at what cost to overall performance?

If the yields are so low, there could easily be a situation where the majority of XB1 APU's would be gimped in some way without the end-user even knowing about it.

I welcome anybody (with technical knowledge) to explain to me how this isn't a potential problem.

kneon3877d ago

This will be just like the cell on the ps3. They were manufactured with 8 spus but only 7 are available to use. So in effect every chip is not running at full potential. It will be the same with the xb1 only with even more sections of the chip.

tigertom533877d ago

wasn't it 1 of the SPU used for the Operating System...

buynit3876d ago

Yea i was wondering the same thing... How far redundant will it go before i know about it? Like will kinect now only see 9 instead ofv10 fingers?

richie007bond3877d ago

53 disagrees we need to stop feeding theses monkeys bananas, Flaming fanboys would argue with their shadows.

LordDhampire3877d ago

cpu's don't handle much graphics besides physics and stuff

People are way overestimating microsoft and feeding into their bull

BallsEye3877d ago

There has been a reason why MS didn't give exact GPU specs and declined to have dGPU. From what insiders say, xbox one have one large GPU split in few parts and scattered around SOC, working in stereo driver, something you would see in dual gpu setup. They are supposed to come clear by the end of this month. Let's wait and see.

s8anicslayer3877d ago

In all fairness to Microsoft Angelic, The argument of "Power" between them and Sony where Sony is rumored to be 50% more powerful then The X1 is just that! Not that X1 is not a powerful machine but just not as powerful than the PS4.

NextGen24Gamer3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Okay, let's get something straight. Microsoft and Sony Fanboys will do and say what ever to make themselves feel better about their single choice in next gen gaming. That's a fact. So to those gamers, no need to read anymore of my post.

Now for those who have some commons sense, I will help you understand a few things about both consoles.

Facts ONLY:

1. Xbox One is a lot more customized than the ps4. MS spent 2 times as much money to AMD and at HOTCHIPS they showed aspects of the system that was massive and unique. Everyone who has annalyed it, has stated that it's freakishly powerful and there is some aspects missing.

2. Microsoft has stated on several occasions that the xbox one can do 4k gaming. Sony has confirmed that their hardware can only do 4k for video & pictures. If you don't believe that MS said that, google it. Now with that said, obviously their highly customized hardware is the reason why it can do 4k gaming. You know that hardware that many still don't understand. The custom architecture that makes the xbox one more efficient. 15 specialized processors for graphics, audio, etc...We all agree that a simple 1.3 TFLOP GPU ALONE can't do 4k gaming. No one disagree's with that. But my question is, "What in the custom desing helps the gpu run more efficiently and can get the console to run 4k games at some point?

"The xbox one GPU is split in two .. Host & Guest. Makes two GPU's not discrete. There is a specialized Direct X DPU. Coprocessor as well .. it can do apps and Graphics branching also. Host And guest GPU's can run separate. And can run together like crossfire but not the same technology. There is extra esram for host and guest that is not a part of the normal 4 x 8 32mb esram. You do not need massive TFLOP numbers to do ray tracing you need specialized coprocessor as this is not brute force.. Coprocessors are extremely hard to get the exact figures. When we are think of standard pc architecture make up against xbox one technical aspects. One thing is for sure xbox one is more powerful then ps4 based on the highly customized architecture.. If anyone thinks Microsoft is just going to design a custom audio chip and 15 specialized processors, then dump a basic low end GPU in and send it out to market it as high end your just a fanboy of the other console."

Host & Guest GPU picture in xbox one architecture

http://misterxmedia.livejou...

The 50% more power on paper that Sony Fans throw around is simple math from the ram difference & the TFLOP difference. It doesn't take into consideration the Guest GPU in the diagram, the specialized audio chip that has 2 cores for game audio only, and the 15 specialized processors for graphics, physics, & other things. You know the stuff that is too complicated to explain besides in simple words like "The Xbox One is a powerful beast" and it's the only next gen console that will be capable of 4k gaming"...MS will release more info on the custom tech in the xbox one, end of September. Developers have only recently received the NEW Stereo drivers for development which unlocks more aspects of the tech for their games. Up until recently all previous games have been shown using the Mono Driver.

ShwankyShpanky3876d ago

Since you're apparently copy/pasting this into PMs, I'll copy paste my responses:

Ahahahaha.... Xbone can do 4k gaming, huh? At what... 5fps? Sony's not trying to pull any BS like that. They're not "supporting" 4k gaming because they know that the framerate would be absolute garbage, so they're not trying to mislead anyone into expecting a 4k game. ("supporting" is very different from "capability"... I don't think the PS4 "supports" the original Pong either) So what 4k game does the Xbone have coming out? In development? Rumored, even? They claim it will be "up to the devs." What about their 1st party studios?

MisterXmedia is taking gullible folks for a ride with his fake-ass "insider." Funny how the spelling and grammar of this "high level" insider are so atrocious... just like MisterX's.

The E3 Ryse demo hiccuped to 18fps running at 1080p. The hell you think's gonna happen to a game trying to run at 2160p... pushing literally FOUR TIMES the pixels of 1080p? Well, to oversimplify, 18fps/4=4.5fps... as I said... "4k at what... 5fps?" Even if you want to be generous and start with 30fps, 30/4=7.5fps. If you want to be even more generous and say 60fps, 60/4=15fps.

Ah well... http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic....

NextGen24Gamer3876d ago

Once November approaches and games are shown taking advantage of the new drivers, it will become very very clear to those who doubt. I have both consoles pre ordered. But to be honest Sony fanboys make me ashamed to even say that. It's embarrassing to me how blind many of them are. No need to bash another console just because it's the only console you chose to purchase. Just be happy with your choice and enjoy the next gen of gaming. I will have best of both worlds.

DoesUs3877d ago

LMAO!

See you in November.

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Lord Anubis3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

that's a lot of words but nothing to say. The author believes Microsoft designed the chip. Perhaps someone would be so kind to let them know that they only tweaked it. It was AMD that designed it. -_-

christocolus3877d ago

dude even amd were very impressed with the work ms engineers did with the xenon gpu.."said ms had some of the most skilled hardware and software guys ".that was way back...ms actually did the xbx one gpu and cpu design along with amd at their own fab centre at redmond ..they have stated this so many times..look it up

FrigidDARKNESS3877d ago

MS paid AMD over 3 billiom for the rights to customize the CPU and GPU so the chips are not tweaked at all.

andibandit3877d ago

I think the author is talking about the SoC of which the AMD processor is a component.

n4rc3877d ago

Maybe someone can teach you to read...

Co designed by Microsoft... That's been publicially stated countless times by everyone..

NoLongerHereCBA3877d ago

Saying that something is a fact doesn't work on N4G. They only believe the things they want to believe. Don't expect much more from N4G than a kindergarten.

n4rc3877d ago

They'd rather believe a random nobody then actual facts because it suits their needs.

So many people want to bash Xbox yet they do zero research on it... They hear something and start copy and pasting it without ever actually looking to see if its true.

Watching them try to spin rumor and flat out lies is hilarious.. They did the same thing with the ps3 and then cried when everyone bashed them about it... And now they are doing it again.. Lol

BallsEye3877d ago

No, It was MS who designed it together with AMD, that's why it was paid in billions.

srd44843876d ago

Haha. MS paid billions to AMD for the research and development. They designed the chip themselves.
Sony tweaked theirs

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ATi_Elite3877d ago

How come Microsoft articles are filled with people posting so much hate but at the same time we have a SOny article yet AGAIN suggesting the PS4 can not achieve 1080p 60fps on a game but it's filled with EXCUSES or Hope that it can be achieved?

but if i was a XB1 game it would be filled with HATE and laughter.

http://n4g.com/news/1353328...

too many fanboys on this site.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what the XB1 can do with all it's processors.

The PS4 is pretty much a simple design. Very capable at gaming but as a Techie the XB1 just seems more appealing from a HARDWARE point of view.

blackmanone3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

"How come Microsoft articles are filled with people posting so much hate but at the same time we have a SOny article yet AGAIN suggesting the PS4 can not achieve 1080p 60fps on a game but it's filled with EXCUSES or Hope that it can be achieved? but if i was a XB1 game it would be filled with HATE and laughter."

Yours was the first post in this article to mention hate, fanboys or the ps4. Troll harder next time.

MRMagoo1233877d ago

I am pretty sure xboners are running out of straws to clutch at.

NewMonday3877d ago

@ATi_Elite

Dead Rising3 and Ryse are not even at a steady 30FPS yet

BF4(only console version demoed was on the PS4 ironically) and CoD both run at 60FPS

so I don't see your point.

Redgehammer3877d ago

And i am pretty sure PSWhores won't stop denigrating their fellow gamers, because of a difference in preference; however, I am not denigrating, I am petty name calling a subset of a fanbase, I normally avoid it, but PSW sounded apropos for this comment v

ma1asiah3877d ago

@ blackmanone

You have a go at Ati_elite as follows

"Yours was the first post in this article to mention hate, fanboys or the ps4. Troll harder next time."

And end by calling him/her a troll kind of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think

Or are you always a straight up hypocrite.

n4rc3877d ago

Again.. Are you blind?

I count at least 6.. Why are you even in here reading this? was this article about ps4? Howd you find your way here?

Talk about calling someone else a troll.. Look in the mirror

Nocando3877d ago

No, it wasn't, plenty of your ilk were spewing venom in denial of MS ever doing anything well. Try harder.

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1OddWorld3877d ago

I cant wait to not see you on the PS4.

PlayStation has always been about games. But now it has the power to boot. So while I agree with you about XB1 innovating the television viewing experience. PlayStation will be pushing the boundaries of console gaming.

blackmanone3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

It's funny, but I agree with you for a whole different reason.

My 360 and ps3 gamertag have the word blackman in it, because that's my last name. When I'm on 360 playing COD MW2, I get called the n-word and every other dirty word, probably every five minutes on average.

PS3? I don't remember once being called a derogatory term while play COD BLOPS. It's funny how different the communities can be.

SniperControl3877d ago

@blackmanone

One of the main reasons I stopped playing MP on 360, I just got pissed off with the constant drone of 12 year olds insulting my mother and some douche thinks his music is awesome that he has to share it with everybody.

Not saying the PS3 had none of this, but it was far far less than on PS3.

NoLongerHereCBA3877d ago

@blackmanone, hopefully the 'grading-system' on the Xbox One works better compared to the one on the Xbox 360. This way you will not have to deal with annoying kids anymore, if they get a lot of negative votes :)

strifeblade3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

@BLACKMAMONE

Sorry to hear that, not sure if they were americans dropping the n bomb (probably were considering xbox is home to america). But you can't forget if the userbase is kids its due to xbox releasing a year early and a cheaper price to the ps3.

This time its reversed- ps4 is cheaper releasing a week early and it seems overwhelmingly popular in america- so you may have to deal with kids on the ps4.

I also beleive you did not witness similar experiences on ps3 because not everyone has a headset since it was not bundled with the system therefore chances are far less compared to xbox with bundled headsets.

Lastly change your gamertag, you will have a smoother experience until racism becomes less prevalent.

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black0o3877d ago

driveclub is a next gen title unlike FROZA which is a cur-gen with prettier graphics ... when those launches u'll know/see what i'm talking about

drsfinest723877d ago

ok troll, here have a cookie

black0o3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

^^ i'm the troll here :O froza has static environment unlike driveclub all dynamic simple facts

stop been a blind fanboy, and gve some credit to devs that goes extra mile

dislike all u want but it won't change the facts

drsfinest723877d ago

here another cookie! sheesh u love cookies dont ya?

Gazondaily3877d ago

@black

Have you played both games? I have. Drive Club doesn't even look that impressive. But you carry on basing your views on some jpegs and gifs you've seen. Why are the developers so hesitant to show direct footage of the game? I can only imagine what the reaction would be on here had Turn 10 done the same.

But like you said, wait till the game comes out. You'll see.

No_Limit3877d ago

Have a glass milk as well Blackoo. You can't have 2 cookies without some milk to help you digest them. :D

black0o3877d ago

@Spetic
NO i have NOT and will not i'm more into other genera then racing

my point it's not a rocket since to hit 60 f/s look at COD does it every year but DICE went with more physics then frame rate and BF3 was why better in my opinion the COD ''ps360''

so if a game offers better environment with lower frame rate i go with it

2 months to go

fooltheman3877d ago

@ septic

There is direct footage of driveclub... ^^

BallsEye3877d ago

How is Driveclub more nextgen than forza? haha...it's just a racer with nothing new. Forza not only bring beautiful graphics but also awesome cloud integration.

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MysticStrummer3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

"How come Microsoft articles are filled with people posting so much hate but at the same time we have a SOny article yet AGAIN suggesting the PS4 can not achieve 1080p 60fps on a game but it's filled with EXCUSES or Hope that it can be achieved?"

I guess you just happen to miss the fact that those PS4 articles attract the same sort of attention and hate/derision from XB1 fans...? You might also want to keep an eye out for the blind hope that gets thrown around by MS fans on here, because it happens. A lot.

It goes both ways. Neither side can claim to be the blameless victim and both sides display blind faith in the PR machines from their chosen console's makers and 1st party developers.

You also seem to have missed the news that there are XB1 games struggling to hit 1080p 60fps.

In short, you come off as a fanboy.

Redgehammer3877d ago

I have personally been here since 2008, and in that time, I have seen way more mean spirited comments in Xbox posts, than I have Playstation ones. Are there xbox trolls? Sure, but here, on N4G, they appear to be a vocal minority, IMO, of course.

AngelicIceDiamond3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@Mytic "I guess you just happen to miss the fact that those PS4 articles attract the same sort of attention and hate/derision from XB1 fans...?"

Lol, no, no, no not even close that's where your wrong my friend. MS troll PS articles yes I see it daily as well but it pales NOTHING in comparison to what Sony fans do daily to X1 articles. It's mind boggling.

Posting examples do no good here, since you and every other Sony fans will absolutely not see a difference.

Like at all.

For 2 seconds if you weren't a fanboy you will absolutely see what I'm talking about.

Autodidactdystopia3877d ago

Shit ive been here since 05 and since the beginning

Sony has ruled this website.

Anything else is shut down.

You cant change it so just enjoy your news and talk shit when you feel like losing some bubbles its all sony here, and if you don't like it then ... disagree... lol

MysticStrummer3877d ago

I found this site in the summer of 07, and the 360 crew was merciless toward the PS3 folk at that time. From my point of view, the reversal of fortune is just a case of "what goes around comes around". Obviously there are more PS fans than XBox fans here now, so of course there's an imbalance in the fanboy Force, but it used to be the exact opposite. That's all I'm saying.

It would be great if the whatever group is the majority would take the high road and let bygones be bygones, but we all know that will never happen. Most of the people crying foul now would be on the attack if their group was the larger, and most of the people trolling now will cry foul if they become the minority.

Humans...

AngelicIceDiamond3877d ago

@Mystic

I usually don't do this but Bub+ for admitting that the majority of the Sony fan base take over this particular site.

Its not everyday I see a Sony fan admit to that. I say lets just be gamers. I mean we are fellow gamer lets just have great conversations with out dismembering one another over which console is better preference is fine, everyone has a preference.

I don't come here to argue (not intentionally at least)but to discuss and talk about our common hobby, games.

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Insomnia_843877d ago

Looks like you only read the title in that article so here, from de Drive Club devs:

"We haven’t confirmed fps yet except to say that we’re currently running 1080p@30fps. While the PS4 is the most powerful games console the world has ever seen it doesn’t make 60fps achievable by default. The tracks in #DriveClub are vast with fully dynamic illumination. The interiors and exteriors of every car in every race are rendered in staggering detail and the underlying physics system is incredibly fluid so that driving feels authentic and responsive. On top of that there’s a lot of live connectivity happening in and around the races too to serve up challenges and reward you and your club for everything you do."

Drive Club is doing A LOT more and it looks way better that Forza. If they can achieve 60fps without sacrificing graphic fidelity that would be very impressive.

porkChop3877d ago

"How come Microsoft articles are filled with people posting so much hate but at the same time we have a SOny article yet AGAIN suggesting the PS4 can not achieve 1080p 60fps on a game but it's filled with EXCUSES or Hope that it can be achieved?"

See, the thing about DriveClub is that it's a true next gen game. It's pushing so many new features, and so many intense resource-heavy graphical features that NO other next gen game so far is doing. Every single aspect of the game, weather, physics, etc, is completely dynamic. So yeah, maybe they're having a hard time reaching their goal of 60fps, but that's not surprising considering this is still a launch title.

Compare it to Forza 5. Forza looks pretty good and runs at 60fps. However, that 60fps is easily achievable because the game uses static pre-baked lighting as opposed to dynamic global illumination, no day/night cycle, no real-time weather, everything in the game is static. So while Forza 5 does look better than 360 games, it's only a next gen game by platform. It's being built on current gen tech. It's a current gen game with a partially next gen appearance.

theWB273877d ago

Driveclub doesnt have weather. ... the rest of your uninformed rant is thus nullified.

I guarantee you can't find one article, one sentence that says forza 5 has anything pre baked.

clae13877d ago

Just shows u know nothing about the forza franchise, turn10 have been pushing driving physics and is the number one priority which is good since it is a racing game after all. Dynamic lighting, weather is not that important if u are a racing fan, who cares about moving clouds in a racing game. You forget that the physics alone, tracking 16 cars maybe even more is a big task already then add 60 fps at 1080p and amazing graphics and more. So no it is not a current gen game with partially next gen appearance.

Angeljuice3877d ago

@theWB27

If the lighting in FORZA 5 wasn't pre-baked, would Turn 10 not have 'corrected' people on this by now? Would they (or Microsoft for that matter) allow this 'rumour' to be perpetuated to the point of saturation if there was no truth in it?

Turning your argument on its head, can you show me a single article where Turn 10 deny using pre-baked lighting? If they weren't we'd have heard by now.

Who's to say that PS4 couldn't run FORZA at 120fps?

theWB273877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@Angeljuice
You serious? Why would Turn10 have to deny anything if they've already explained the lighting?
http://www.nowgamer.com/fea...
"The image-based lighting from Forza 4?

No, no, this is new. This is the material system we’ve brought to the Xbox One, where no material has a color or texture, it has properties and interactions with light. We can literally go in and go ‘This surface is concrete, no, we’re going to make it asphalt, no, we’re going to make it gun metal’, and it just works in the environment. We don’t have to go in and tweak the lighting and the shading like we have in the past; everything works with light the way it’s supposed to.

That’s really key, because with the power of Xbox One we don’t want to go off and have to deal with eight times the complexity of an air environment. We had to invest in the technology to be able to build smarter. It goes all the way back to how we used laser-scanning, which doesn't just give us surfaces, it gives us color and texture as well. We can bring it back as reference for the artists and quickly bring it up to that quality we’re going for."

You can't do that with baked lighting. Forza 4 used IBL...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

There is nothing there that you or anyone else can spin and say they went backwards from Forza 4 and used baked lighting in Forza 5.

Who's to say PS4 couldn't run Forza at 120fps? It can't run DC at 60 fps and nearly every preview puts Forza ahead in visuals.

What DC is doing, what Forza does are forms of Global Illumination.

Forza does more under the hood than DC also. Engine, tire(heat,grip etc), damage, engine swaps and tuning. Driveclub has NO tuning options and it leans towards arcade like Project Gotham.

You can't find ONE article or sentence that refutes what I just posted. But I know you'll spout something from the top of your head with no proof(like your post here) which wouldn't mean anything at all. Proof that it's baked or GTFO...

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Deadpoolio3876d ago

How come the One80 only has one game that is 1080p? Every other launch title confirmed 720p

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Insomnia_843877d ago

Show me! Stop talking as always and SHOW ME!

The usual crap from MS, back it up with something MS!!

ElementX3877d ago

This is a magazine article. It's not as though MS is going to embed footage or something.

Insomnia_843877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Seriously? Do I even have to explain?

-__-

AngelicIceDiamond3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Ryse, Forza, Halo 60 FPS. From what it looks of it Quantum Break will look great.

@Insomnia seriously what is your problem?

What "crap is MS telling you? Everything that these companies are telling us now is PR.

PR: http://n4g.com/news/1336933... Aug 21

PR: http://www.playstationlifes... June 19

Again PR: http://www.techradar.com/us... July 5

And yes the cloud being able create bigger and persistent worlds and apparently calculate graphics is all PR as well and remains to be seen. I wanna see proof of that as well.

All summer long Sony is touting this. And guess what? I believe it, I believe Sony's machine has some significant edge in Processing over MS's machine. But it absolutely won't be night and day in graphics between the two that so many many are desperately trying to believe.

Sony said the same thing with PS3. Yes I know the PS4 is WAY easier to develop for than PS3.

But why would MS not come out of the gate unprepared in bringing the next gen expectations?

It will be in the first party line up and subtle differences in third party kinda like this gen.

But if you wanna to continue the popular belief PR lie, crap that MS is "doing" then have fun.

SniperControl3877d ago

What??

Ryse is currently struggling to achieve 30fps, Forza, well enough said,halo? Halo? When the fcuk did halo, get shown running @60fps?

mediate-this3876d ago

What more do you need to proven wrong? That article is not a rumour, its a fact. And to the guy who said cpu doesnt do graphics processing, i heard of cpu graphics processing, as a way to take loads off the gpu.

JUST WAIT!!!'!!!!!!

Transporter473877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

A lot of assumption until MS releases an official spec of what is in the final build of the X1, whatever he says means nothing unless proven other wise, I can assume too btw.

Edit: Okay so he makes all this assumptions according to this
http://www.hotchips.org/wp-...
Which basically means what we already know. Ps4 is still the stronger hardware. I thought this was new information etc but it isnt.

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Xbox Is Not Your Friend

After laying off almost 2,000 people, Xbox finds itself in a position at odds with the community-first image it has cultivated for itself.

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TwoPicklesGood4h ago

lol I’m not a big MS gamer but Sony and a number of others have laid off ton of people as well. Where are the ridiculous articles about them not being your friend? Gaming news is such a joke and these sites wonder why they have to beg for money/patreons or flood with 5x more ads.

Profchaos3h ago

I think the sentiment is corporations are there to make money they are not out friends that are harsh and cutthroat when lt comes to the bottom line so why do we proclaim our love for any gaming company from the rooftops when they wouldn't care about us unless we are buying the next thing.

We need to beore objective with how we view these "teams"

Gridknac2h ago

This is the absolute truth. The only part of you these companies, ALL companies, want to be friends with is your bank account. They don't care what they have to say, who's job they have to cut, or what shady underhandedness they must engage in. Bottom line is all that matters.

Vits1h ago

Because people unfortunately make these companies and products part of their own persona, so when they are scrutinized, they see it as an attack on themselves. There is some neuropsychological research around this phenomenon, but it basically has the same effect as religion. It helps foster a sense of community that humans need to feel comfortable. So that is not happening unless we have a sudden surge of people actually understanding how they work and taking control of themselves.

Magatsuhi1h ago

While it's true Sony isn't a friend either, let's not pretend that they're even in the same ballpark as MS's anti consumer practices. Sony is not a friend but atleast they're not an enemy like MS.

derek2h ago

@twopickles, were you not paying attention? Sony was heavily criticized when they laid off people weeks ago, more than Microsoft did with their massive abk layoffs.

Gamingsince19811h ago

I want to know who thought Xbox was community first anyway lmfao

ChasterMies51m ago

That’s Whataboutism. Sony and other game companies didn’t pay more than $80B to buy up publishers. Microsoft said in court that it wasn’t going to have redundancies and fire people. Microsoft told Xbox owners that they would have a AAA on GamePass each quarter. But here we are with Microsoft Game Studios shrinking. Consolidation doesn’t benefit the consumer, and no company has consolidated more than Microsoft.

BehindTheRows47m ago(Edited 46m ago)

Exactly. They love their SonyToo instead of looking at everything in its totality. You spend $80B to buy up so many pubs/devs, you damn well should have something to show for it.

That said, this article is old and someone is clearly looking for clicks!

z2g16m ago

I’m glad you see the thru the reality distortion field so many on this site don’t. My brother-in-law was just let go from PlayStation (here in PV/LA) literally just weeks ago after taking the job just 2 months before. He quite his previous job that was doing just fine to work for Sony.

Christopher7m ago

I agree that every corporation is part of the problem, but bit perhaps in the future have more of an argument than a whatsboutism? It makes it sound like your only issue is that people are complaining about Microsoft.

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cthulhucultist2h ago

ok here is a reality check. Tech companies have been firing thousands of employees the last couple of years.

I find it odd that the percentage of employees sacked from MS

QUOTE
"Microsoft announced approximately 1,900 job cuts across its gaming division, including Activision Blizzard, ZeniMax, and Xbox. 8.6% of its colossal 22,000-strong global workforce. "

is worth writing an article condemning the company, when Sony Interactive fired 8% of its workforce (900 people approximately).

https://news.crunchbase.com...

Is the writer concerned about the percentage of the workforce fired or the number of employees?

Lets not forget that Unity laid off 25 percent of its workforce (1800 people) and Discord laid off 17 percent of its employees.

You also have to take into account the AI issue reported in the article. MS is heavily invested in A.I. They have invested in Open A.I (chatgpt 4+Dalle 3), in Abu Dhabi’s G42 and in French AI company Mistral.

These LLMs have already replaced thousands of jobs as A.I usage becomes more common

https://www.cbsnews.com/new...
https://www.theverge.com/20...
https://tech.co/news/compan...

This is the new reality. Even nvidia CEO said that games will fully A.I generated.

https://www.pcgamer.com/sof...

Nevertheless, no company should be ever viewed as "your friend". MS had numerous anti consumer practices in place and the same is true for Sony (not only in video game space) and Nintendo (60$ dollar games without permanent discounts, remasters of 10 year old game with full price, no console price cuts, expensive joy cons which are prone to drift, to name but a few).

Popsicle2h ago

Must be. Thought it to be common knowledge that no corporation is your friend.

thesoftware7305m ago

Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing.

Silly nonsense that applies to all companies. Do people really think these companies care about them? we are consumers, and they track us by $$$, not our character, personality, family, or this over-inflated console war.

rippermcrip2h ago

Xbox had a community-first image? Since when?

shaenoide2h ago

Any given company is not "friendly"...

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos10h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies56m ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos14h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long11h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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