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Microsoft reminding gamers that they’ve done a “180″ on DRM for the Xbox One, sends newsletter

Microsoft reminding gamers that they’ve done a “180″ on DRM for the Xbox One, sends newsletter

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xHeavYx3877d ago

The top of the letter, instead of saying "We designed the Xbox One to be your Xbox One", it should say "we changed our stupid policies for you to pre-order our console"

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blitz06233877d ago

LOL I thought they actually wrote "We went 180" or something like that. Then proceeded to rename it to Xbox 180 and sent a newsletter

shoddy3877d ago

I never thought MS is this dumb to think thier fans would take what ever bullshit that MS give them.

it get so bad that I feel sorry for xbox fans this generation.

vigilante_man3877d ago

Sometimes it is better to not highlight your recent gaffs and just get on with it. Why remind gamers you nearly screwed them over?

It does reek of desperation. If your product is great it will sell. Stop chasing people!

SilentNegotiator3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

And do I detect a hint of minty freshness?

It only reads as anything but a straight-forward ad to anyone but informed gamers that know about the original incarnation of Xbox One.

JokesOnYou3877d ago

This is old but good for them. Play games.

The_Con-Sept3877d ago

Have we really done that much trauma to their entire market share by simply expressing a truth about us?

I hate it when a company throws out trust in their consumers. This is why I don't even consider the Xbox one a gaming console. It does not matter about the 180 stories they keep coming out with. What matters most is their view on us. And because their first impression took us by, not just a little but, a huge shock. I can no longer consider the Xbox brand because of their distrust in us as a possible consumer.

Elvfam5113877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Well they should of wrote how much the console sucks and go buy a ps4 instead lol

indysurfn3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

The real bad thing about this is they are ADVERTISING something that is revoked, but at least one of their executives says will come back. When the time is right (as soon as they reach a few million sold).

I can see it now, 10 share limit! Good news we now have the 10 share feature(limit) back. Bad news you already lent your game out too many times. It can't be checked back in to your machine, your friend owns it now!

Good news you now can trade your game in to a approved retailer (for a fee). Not you! mom and pops, screw you! PS we are STILL not sharing the fee with developers and publishers we just use them as a excuse to talk you into not protesting paying a trade in fee for something you 'own', and being told where you can sell it at(is that price fixing?)!

Good news it took us a few years to sell enough to bring back the 24 hour check in. Bad news xboxtwo will be out in one year, and we will shut down the severs, just like we did for the original xbox. Meaning your xboxone will not have any severs to check into in another year. Just buy the next xbox, or a 360!

UnholyLight3877d ago

Also gotta mention, you guys are saying this is desperate?? It's a newsletter sent out (much like Sony is doing with the PS4) to remind you of the features the Xbox One has.

Did we all forget how you guys were red flagging Microsoft for having bad marketing skills?? Is this not super clear, concise, and very informative for people to understand.

Next Microsoft is going to announce a white Xbox One nd you'll find something negative to say there too!

Meanwhile, Sony hears infinite praise. I'm buying both day one, but it's not going to surprise me in the slightest when a couple years down the road Sony or Microsoft or both at the same time will bring back the same policies the Xbox One was going to do originally.

100% guaranteed.

ShwankyShpanky3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

"Is this not super clear, concise, and very informative for people to understand."

Yes, it is. What's unfortunate is that the implied premise is a dirty, dirty lie.

"We designed the Xbox One to be your Xbox One..."

Let's not kid ourselves with semantics and word games... This is a flat out dirty lie. We all how that the current policies they've spun themselves into are far from what they intended when "[they] designed the Xbox One."

P.S. Funny they didn't add "YOUR choice to use our data-harvesting camera."

P.P.S. Funnier... "YOUR schedule...walk the dog, check the score. With Xbox One you can suspend and resume gameplay instantly, even in the middle of a battle." I do think suspend/resume is pretty neat, if they let you use Netflix or play another game or go into standby mode and then instantly resume the first game, but that line basically just describes the 'pause' button.

mewhy323877d ago

wow. It sounds pretty desperate.

CuddlyREDRUM3877d ago

They are clarifying their desperation and consumer disconnect.

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Comnnsence3877d ago

Wow, talk about desperation. Too bad whoever buying the console is going to be plaque with issues and another "One" of the letters is going to generate. I'll wait for my PS4 and 3 years after the 360 is official dead to get an Xbone. Until then, keep the damage control going.

darthv723877d ago

please elaborate on the "issues" people will be plagued with.

i'm genuinely intrigued.

pompombrum3877d ago

^^^Adverts all over their home screen despite whether they're gold members or silver.. just to get the ball rolling.

darthv723877d ago

@above...those arent issues. their annoyances. by issues i figured comnsence was eluding to something more.

Comnnsence3877d ago

@dartgv72 why would I elaborate on something that you and Andre hundred more individuals are in denial about?

thoract3877d ago

@comnnsence

I think the 360 probably has another year at most with the way MS is supporting it. Also I'll bet you they are going drop it like the first xbox, once the xbone comes out.

maniacmayhem3877d ago

I would like to know the issues too. I think these are made up issues from the sony camp once again spreading their FUD.

@ Angels
PS4 also has a pay wall

@aiBreeze
Adverts? Another myth spread by the sony camp. These so called adverts are actual content that can be found or purchased on Xbox Live.

@Thoract
MS has already said that they will be supporting the 360 for another 3 years. That's 10 years of the 360 just like Sony's plan.

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

Wow....there are sure a lot of fanboyism spreading on this site.

gwumper9873877d ago

@ Maniacmayhem while the ps4 does have a pay wall, the only thing it effects is online multiplayer, video services and free to play are still totally free.
Also a large chunk of the advertising on the current dashboard is for tv shows and I have also seen soft drink advertisements (I am a 360 owner of 7 years)

UnholyLight3877d ago

@maniacmayhem

I don't understand the dislikes on your comment. You speak the 100% truth and I can verify. I own an Xbox 360 and the "adverts" involve 1 actual advertisement in the corner which is usually Xbox content related or UFC or whatever big even that is upcoming...the rest is content like on my PS Vita where it's got ads for games or 50% off of season passes.

I can't stand the false info that Sony kids are passing around these days and the perception that they've led people to believe.

I sincerely hope the community is a lot better when I get my PS4 (and Xbox One) on day 1.

This is getting really old people, just speak the truth and let people decide. Or actually educate yourself first and take a peak around Xbox Live and the Xbox dashboard.

KillerPigeon3877d ago

@maniacmayhem

-Indeed the PS4 does contain a pay wall. But lets not play cloak and dagger with this, the two systems are doing it differently. To give the short explanation, MS is hiding all online related content behind the pay wall.

-It's technically still advertising, fair enough it's not a tedious bunch of Kool-aids latest repertoires, or a massive banner blocking my screen for 5 minutes (At least I hope not..), but, it is still advertising.

-Similar to the way MS have been supporting the XB360 the last 3 years?

shinrock3877d ago

wow,just wow.good old n4g.

UnHoly_One3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

My god this is hilarious.

The funny thing is that every person on this website that is bitching about a "paywall", is the exact type of person that is going to be paying for XBL Gold or PS+ anyway. So that argument means nothing. It is a non-issue.

And lol @ advertisements being this huge terrible thing.

I guess I'm just Bass Ackwards from all of you Sony Fans, because I have never once been annoyed by an ad on my 360 dashboard.

I actually LIKE them being there.

There are countless times I've seen something on there that I didn't know had been released yet or whatever and used that terrible terrible ad as an easy way to go find what I wanted to buy. Or found out about something being on sale and saved myself money in the process. (For Example, I just bought all the Skyrim DLC for half price a week ago thanks to one of these terrible ads.)

You guys are just so used to the crap OS and store on the PS3 that you don't know what you are missing. Maybe with the PS4 Sony will bring their dashboard into the 21st century and it might be as nice as what the 360 has had since launch.

I hope so, anyway, because every six months when I decide to play something on PS3 it irritates me how awful the whole system works by comparison to the 360.

UnholyLight3877d ago

UnHoly_One..

Thank you for sharing your take which is exactly how I feel about this!!

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pyramidshead3877d ago

Isn't that major nelson character traveling around some states on some rather strange apology tour? o.O. Man was their first reveal toxic, people still think the DRM radiation is still hanging about after the fallout.

UnholyLight3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

If you'll recall, they did the very same promo tour I believe for the Xbox 360, Kinect, and CoD MW3

Nice try though

pyramidshead3876d ago

@unholylight

you tried your best. But if you're gonna ask me to try again, make sure the answer isn't staring you in the face from a simple google search:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/gam...
http://pixelenemy.com/micro...
http://www.blogdot.tv/2013/...
http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

c:

UnholyLight3876d ago

Yeah media and journalists labeling it an "apology tour". Yet another negative spin. Whatever if that's what you guys think you can have it!

kneon3877d ago

They needed to do something, I've lost track of how many people I've come across that still think all the old policies are in place. Unfortunately for Microsoft even after I explain that everything has changed they still aren't interested in the XBox One.

Izzy4083877d ago

Not as desperate as PS fanboys trying to trump every postive Xbox one news.

Count3877d ago

How is it desperation considering the backlash they received? I think this is warranted.

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zeksta3877d ago

Unfortunately thats the reality of the situation, constant damage control and just trying to convince their fanbase like a crazed drug addict that was in re-hab for a short period.

"We're better now! We've changed! Give us your money and we promise we'll use it to improve your experiences.."

That's what it sounds like to me.

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Gamer6663877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

I was at a Gamestop last week and a guy was talking with his significant other. He said he was getting a PS4 because X1 would not play used games.

Sending a newsletter out is not desperation it is informing people that have still not got the message.

dantesparda3877d ago

Its desperation, deal with it, they did this to themselves, arrogant f*cks!

Benchm4rk3877d ago

I agree. So many people out there spreading misinformation. My brother put on Facebook that he pre ordered the Xbox One and heaps of people commented saying things like you can't play used games and you need to be connected to the net. In my local EB games they out up a sign saying the changes. Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves though. At first it seemed like nobody at MS knew anything about the console. So many people contradicting each other. Now they have changed there policies I think the best thing they could of done is done another reveal and tried to get another spot on public tv or something like they did on the jimmy Fallon show

gwumper9873877d ago

Thank you, someone who actually understands this, I wont be getting an xbone but I have a 360 so I got thus email. There really are a lot of people who don't know that they have changed their policies, why is it so terrible that they want to communicate to the more general audience, meaning people who aren't game enthusiasts and don't frequent game sites yet would still buy a console. They at least are being communicative now.

DEEBO3877d ago

yes it does.i haven't heard MS say they made it to a million reserves yet? and that's why they are sending out this letter to their customers tht switch back to sony.

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snake_eater3877d ago

They will try to pull it off again... it's ms you know

Ray1863877d ago

That's the first thing that popped into my head when I read the articles title.

Xsilver3877d ago

shiiid ill stick to one that didn't need a 180 in the first place.

True_Samurai3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Already did
And I can't wait to get my hands on it

cyguration3877d ago

So they want to remind people that they once tried to rape them and now they're better and reformed?

Ehh, I'll stick with the company that didn't try to rape me in the first place.

GarrusVakarian3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

All i see when i read your post is this:

http://img.photobucket.com/...

http://acslater.com/wp-cont...

"they're raping meeeeee"

Gazondaily3877d ago

Dramatise much?

The digital age is coming. It's just a question of when. Microsofts real problem was it's lack of clarity. It sure wasn't akin to 'rape' by any means. That's just nonsense. The kind of knee-jerk panic bandwagon that people jump on.

TheSsus3877d ago

When all I saw was restrictions and nothing as to validate DRM as the new standard, hell no M$... It really didn't show how it benefits the consumer (my opinion). At least Sony left it in the hands of the developers (how I think it should be), which will make the transition into the "digital age of gaming" happen over time. M$ just tried to force it on gamers in one fell swoop and it backfired, HARD.

-Foxtrot3877d ago

Not really, I think people have the right and still do to be upset

"The digital age is coming"

Yeah it's coming but it's not here yet. In my opinion it's still a while off and even then people still want physical discs

"The kind of knee-jerk panic bandwagon that people jump on."

Just because you like MS and want to defend them doesn't mean it's just a bandwagon that people are jumping on for the sake of it

Welshy3877d ago

Just because the digital age is coming doesn't mean we should be stripped of our consumer rights.

Microsofts problem is that they went 99% physical based on 360 and then tried ram full blown draconian DRM down our throats with no transition whatsoever.

You can't just take what people are used to, throw it all out and expect people to react positively and immediately want your product they don't fully understand, whether its good OR bad changes.

It's not only the lack of clarity the pushes me away, it's the knee jerk change (See DRM 180 for more details) that make me think they may just switch it all back once they get some sales in the bag.

Also, for a designed all digital console, a non-removable, non-upgradable 500gb HDD? 500gb? Really!?

With all the add on content these days and most games easily pushing 5-10gb each just for the base install, you can kiss goodbye to that HDD pretty damn quick.

Kayant3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

"Microsoft's real problem was it's lack of clarity"

Nah it was a clear attack on physical media that was not needed·If they wanted a fully digital console then a disc tray should not be in the XB1. It's not needed. They should have made their plans into an opt-in feature, or made a fully digital console as stated above or offered all their plans with digital content which would have been great incentives for pulling people into digital age.

Also it didn't help that single player experiences were killed if you don't check in within 24 hrs.

Yes digital age is coming but it's at least 10+ years from being mainstream and easily accessible to all to warrant an digital only console.

pompombrum3877d ago

The digital age is coming.. however it should come on OUR (the consumer) terms, not dictated by big brother where you have to check in every 24 hours for them to tell you've been good enough to continue playing their console.

r2oB3877d ago

They tried to force anti consumer policies... When the majority of gamers did not want it. Sounds like rape to me.

SilentNegotiator3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

"The digital age is coming"

Boy, Xbox fanboys are just going to say that until it becomes true, aren't they? Like Pachter's "Wii HD" prediction. They were saying that last generation was going to become digital over time because the restrictions of DVD were becoming a glaring issue; now they're saying that the 8th gen will become all digital because that somehow justifies Microsoft's original plan (and they need to keep drinking the koolaid that MS isn't even selling anymore, because they know MS will try something like this again).

Game files only get bigger and bigger. There's no need to throw away physical media any time soon and no where in the foreseeable future.

And what does the "digital age" have to do with ultra-restrictive 24-hour DRM, anyway? We don't have to put up with both.

Imalwaysright3877d ago

Digital age can come tomorrow for all I care as long as I don't have to ask permission every 24 hours to play MY games.

jackanderson19853877d ago

@TheSsus

nothing to validate DRM as standard? how about the ability to sell/loan digital property? does any other company offer that currently? hell that alone would have made 24 check in worth it... clearly not for everyone and i understand the broadband speeds/coverage aren't up for that type of requirement

n4rc3877d ago

Last time I checked... You don't pay for rape..

You didn't have to buy it.. So stop being so damn melodramatic..

rainslacker3877d ago

Digital age is fine and all. But when they apply all those models to physical discs, it makes their intentions open to skepticism and ridicule.

It isn't wise to try to dramatically change the way customer's purchase their content in such a short time, and MS thought they had more mind share than they actually did, or believed that gamers would just blindly accept anything, which doesn't make sense, since MS has gotten plenty of criticism this gen, and I'm sure they aren't as oblivious to it all as they seem.

It seems many are confident with the "Digital is the future" mantra. That makes me wonder why a console maker or publisher would need to force it in such a dramatic way. Could it be that these console makers and publishers understand that digital isn't the only future?

Or could it be that they are so arrogant to think that people will just accept whatever they put out just because they want to play games?

I don't think what MS did is akin to rape by any means. That's just a terrible thing to say. At least with what MS was doing, you did have the choice to not buy the console.

tiffac0083877d ago

That's exactly the point. The digital age is coming. There was no needs for the planned DRM. That would btw, if people have forgotten. Would only allow the X1 to function on selected countries.

So if you are not part of those territories, you can't import the console because it will not work. How can that be the future of gaming?

I will never understand how those DRMs can ever be justifiable. I for one, am very glad they got rid of it and is hopeful never to see it again.

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Count3877d ago

Making light of rape.

''well said''

Never change N4g.

r2oB3877d ago

So when someone uses the term "raping the land"... say, of natural resources... are they refering to forcefully sticking your meat in the Earth? Or are there other definitions of rape?

Hicken3877d ago

Being intentionally obtuse.

Never change, Count.

jackanderson19853877d ago

sony 2006 comes to mind "if you can't afford it get a second job" or something like that... every company in the world suffers from shitty PR hell EA are masters at it but yet when a BF game gets shown people practically cream themselves over it

r2oB3877d ago

I believe the statement was "... you would want to get a second job" which, it's context, is completely different than "get a second job" (as you stated).

Oner3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

The actual statement was ~

"...I will work more hours to buy one"

Which is not the same as "if you can't afford it get a second job" JUST to buy a PS3.

I mean, I work more hours (or harder) to buy anything I want that is not a necessity in life. I really don't see how that is a "bad" thing to work for what you want in reality.

But it seems you would rather misquote the statement on purpose to make an invalid point instead of getting the quote right to begin with that doesn't fit your agenda.

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thehitman3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

MS even had ads at the DMV days after the 180 they are trying hard to reverse the damage done. Will probably see more of this everywhere until release. I was so shocked watching the ad on their small TV considering everything else is like law, car related lol.

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Xbox Is Not Your Friend

After laying off almost 2,000 people, Xbox finds itself in a position at odds with the community-first image it has cultivated for itself.

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TwoPicklesGood4h ago

lol I’m not a big MS gamer but Sony and a number of others have laid off ton of people as well. Where are the ridiculous articles about them not being your friend? Gaming news is such a joke and these sites wonder why they have to beg for money/patreons or flood with 5x more ads.

Profchaos3h ago

I think the sentiment is corporations are there to make money they are not out friends that are harsh and cutthroat when lt comes to the bottom line so why do we proclaim our love for any gaming company from the rooftops when they wouldn't care about us unless we are buying the next thing.

We need to beore objective with how we view these "teams"

Gridknac2h ago

This is the absolute truth. The only part of you these companies, ALL companies, want to be friends with is your bank account. They don't care what they have to say, who's job they have to cut, or what shady underhandedness they must engage in. Bottom line is all that matters.

Vits1h ago

Because people unfortunately make these companies and products part of their own persona, so when they are scrutinized, they see it as an attack on themselves. There is some neuropsychological research around this phenomenon, but it basically has the same effect as religion. It helps foster a sense of community that humans need to feel comfortable. So that is not happening unless we have a sudden surge of people actually understanding how they work and taking control of themselves.

Magatsuhi1h ago

While it's true Sony isn't a friend either, let's not pretend that they're even in the same ballpark as MS's anti consumer practices. Sony is not a friend but atleast they're not an enemy like MS.

derek1h ago

@twopickles, were you not paying attention? Sony was heavily criticized when they laid off people weeks ago, more than Microsoft did with their massive abk layoffs.

Gamingsince19811h ago

I want to know who thought Xbox was community first anyway lmfao

ChasterMies39m ago

That’s Whataboutism. Sony and other game companies didn’t pay more than $80B to buy up publishers. Microsoft said in court that it wasn’t going to have redundancies and fire people. Microsoft told Xbox owners that they would have a AAA on GamePass each quarter. But here we are with Microsoft Game Studios shrinking. Consolidation doesn’t benefit the consumer, and no company has consolidated more than Microsoft.

BehindTheRows34m ago(Edited 33m ago)

Exactly. They love their SonyToo instead of looking at everything in its totality. You spend $80B to buy up so many pubs/devs, you damn well should have something to show for it.

That said, this article is old and someone is clearly looking for clicks!

z2g4m ago

I’m glad you see the thru the reality distortion field so many on this site don’t. My brother-in-law was just let go from PlayStation (here in PV/LA) literally just weeks ago after taking the job just 2 months before. He quite his previous job that was doing just fine to work for Sony.

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cthulhucultist2h ago

ok here is a reality check. Tech companies have been firing thousands of employees the last couple of years.

I find it odd that the percentage of employees sacked from MS

QUOTE
"Microsoft announced approximately 1,900 job cuts across its gaming division, including Activision Blizzard, ZeniMax, and Xbox. 8.6% of its colossal 22,000-strong global workforce. "

is worth writing an article condemning the company, when Sony Interactive fired 8% of its workforce (900 people approximately).

https://news.crunchbase.com...

Is the writer concerned about the percentage of the workforce fired or the number of employees?

Lets not forget that Unity laid off 25 percent of its workforce (1800 people) and Discord laid off 17 percent of its employees.

You also have to take into account the AI issue reported in the article. MS is heavily invested in A.I. They have invested in Open A.I (chatgpt 4+Dalle 3), in Abu Dhabi’s G42 and in French AI company Mistral.

These LLMs have already replaced thousands of jobs as A.I usage becomes more common

https://www.cbsnews.com/new...
https://www.theverge.com/20...
https://tech.co/news/compan...

This is the new reality. Even nvidia CEO said that games will fully A.I generated.

https://www.pcgamer.com/sof...

Nevertheless, no company should be ever viewed as "your friend". MS had numerous anti consumer practices in place and the same is true for Sony (not only in video game space) and Nintendo (60$ dollar games without permanent discounts, remasters of 10 year old game with full price, no console price cuts, expensive joy cons which are prone to drift, to name but a few).

Popsicle2h ago

Must be. Thought it to be common knowledge that no corporation is your friend.

rippermcrip2h ago

Xbox had a community-first image? Since when?

shaenoide2h ago

Any given company is not "friendly"...

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies44m ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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