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Retrospective: Final Fantasy VIII

BNR: There are many opinions on the subject of ‘When Final Fantasy games were good’. I sit comfortably in the PSX demographic and believe that Final Fantasy VII and VIII are two of the best JRPGs ever made. Over the years, Final Fantasy VII has stolen much of the well-deserved limelight that the franchise has earned and rightly so. It stands out to as a masterpiece in RPG gaming. Yet I always felt that VIII was slightly underrated. Being the first Final Fantasy game I actually owned it has always been my favorite and here’s why.

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zero_gamer3871d ago

Quite underrated. I am actually in the mood of popping it in my PS3 right now!

ecstaticpunk3871d ago

Absolutely loved this game as a teenager my favorite game in the series shame shit hit the fan and now we're stuck with FF XIII and a fetish for Lightening really hope FF XV turns out to be a lot better.

-Foxtrot3871d ago (Edited 3871d ago )

Best FF in the series

Best character development (Squall), best soundtrack, best intro etc

You know how this game got a lot of hate (still does unfortunately) because it's NOT a FF7 sequel well this is undeserved hate unlike FF13 which was well deserved.

Seriously all the complaints about this game are nitpicks

Draw System - You didn't even have to draw in battle and you would still have a ton of magic at the end of the game. Pink draw points, refine magic with the GF junction skill, Island of Heaven and Hell.

Junction System - One minute it's "the system is too complicated" then in the next sentence it's "It's too easy to max out your character with the junction system". So is it hard or easy lol

Squall - He is not an emo, he's a bit of a jerk at the start of the game only because it's part of the fantastic character development we see over the course of the four discs. Each disc his character changes, to a lonely selfish jerk to a brave heroic leader. He doesn't just turn with a click of the fingers you see how he changes through the story. Plus his background for being a jerk is explained and justifies his characters attitude at the start of the game

Story plotholes - What FF game does not have plotholes or problems...come on

Becuzisaid3871d ago

Would you like to add any more edits, or are you good now?

-Foxtrot3871d ago

If I didn't you'd be calling me for spelling/grammar mistakes

Did you really waste a bubble to say that, I mean really. How sad

I_am_Batman3871d ago (Edited 3871d ago )

Undiserved hate or not you'll just have to accept that some people disliked the game. There is no right or wrong it comes down to personal taste. I for one loved FFVIII. It's probably my favorite FF (though I can't decide between the PSOne era games).

I really liked FFXIII too and I don't care that everybody is hating on it.

That's just how it is. Sometimes I don't get the hype for a critically acclaimed game and sometimes I enjoy a game that everybody seems to hate.

-Foxtrot3871d ago (Edited 3871d ago )

I think you'll find the majority of people on the internet these days (and FF8 has been out for years making it so you see a lot on the forums and face to face convos) always point out the nitpicked stuff when talking about FF8. Most of it just seems like follow the leader stuff in my opinion. If they hate the game fine just say "I hate FF8" but they don't they come up with these nitpicked reasons people said like when it came out, disappointed with the fact it wasn't a FF7 sequel.

Yeah people hate it I'm not saying that but if you hate it don't come up with silly excuses which have been going around the internet for years.

Plus I'm sorry but FF13 was bad, and I mean like really bad. That is a game where the complaints aren't nitpicks or can be justified the game is actually terrible for a FF game. If you like it fine but people shouldn't try to defend it because you honestly can't.

Hicken3871d ago

I'd say X has the best soundtrack(and my favorite video game character of all time in Rikku), but in all other areas, I think VIII is the best in the series.

As for plotholes, there aren't really any. There are some questions left unanswered, but that's not the same as a plothole.

-Foxtrot3871d ago (Edited 3871d ago )

I was actually referring to the fact, for example, that people go on about how Doctor Odine doesn't just destroy the Junction Machine Ellone that Ultimecia uses in the future instead of the SeeD going into the future to defeat her. Among other silly nitpicked things

"There are some questions left unanswered, but that's not the same as a plothole."

Thats unfortunately what these people go on about, things which we don't need to know but decide to point it out and turn it into a bad thing to make the story overall look "bad"

I_am_Batman3871d ago (Edited 3871d ago )

So you are saying that people come up with excuses to dislike the game although they have no reason to do so? Interessting. But keep in mind that people are different and they have different tastes (which is actually a good thing). Maybe it's nitpicking for you but it can be a real issue for others. I agree with you though that the game would've probably been recieved differently when it wouldn't have come after FFVII. That's the price of expectation I guess.

And you don't need to apologize for saying that FFXIII is bad. Like I said in my first reply: I don't care that people dislike it. I don't want to know the reasons why everyone dislikes it. And I certaintly don't want to defend the game either. I like it - you don't. I can perfectly live with that.

Off topic: n4g really needs a better reply system.

wishingW3L3871d ago (Edited 3871d ago )

FF8 was my first FF game and I probably love it just because of that but the plotholes, the weak character development, the broken junction system... Those are all legit complaints.

Do you remember a single turning point for Squall as a character? Well, me neither because there were none. His change of attitude was all forced and out of the blue. The plothole about their amnesia? There is no coherent explanation and this is just 1 of many. The broken junction system? Can you deny the infinite limit breaks, really? And this is just 1 of the many problems with the battle system, because you could even break it enough to beat every boss in the game in just 1 turn.

I_am_Batman3871d ago

I'm not sure if you are talking about the same game that I've played. There is an explanation for the amnesia. It comes from using the G.F.

And what do you mean with infinite limit breaks? I don't think that you can beat every boss in one turn. Can you explain what you mean?

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Becuzisaid3871d ago

I always switch back and forth between this being my favorite or FF9. This game is purely amazing sauce.

The only reason it's not my absolute, no question favorite of the series is the drawing system. I generally start a game by quickly doing the Ifrit trial, and then grinding along the Balamb beaches and stocking up on Thunder, Fire, Ice and Cure to 100 each. Takes like 1-1.5 hours for me to do this and then I start the Dollet mission. I'm sure someone will tell me I should just skip drawing and refine magic using the GF abilities, but I've been playing FF8 this way since I was 12.

MightyNo93871d ago

I play it almost the same way. And there might be faster ways to do stuff but meh,I play my own way. xD

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10 PS1 Games That Actually Need A Remake

With hundreds of games, some of which are considered to be classics that hold up to this day, you’ve got the pick of the litter when it comes to choosing a potential remake

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RaidenBlack13d ago

^This. THIS!
Stop remaking PS4 games!
Remake PS1 and PS2 games à la FF7R, RE1, Mafia, Half Life style ....
Make Legend of Dragoon, Legacy of Kain etc Remakes happen

darthv7213d ago

Legend of Dragoon... WTH is Sony doing just letting this one squander?

-Foxtrot13d ago

I wonder if their mindset is like “meh we have Final Fantasy what’s the point of our own JRPG”

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@-Foxtrot,
Square-Enix had a long period there where it seems they didn't know what to do with Final Fantasy, I think that time period would have been a good time to revisit their classics and remake them. Now it seems they're going full steam ahead with the franchise, so they have less reason to revisit those older games. I wouldn't mind if they subcontracted them out to other developers, that and I don't trust SE to remake their older games.

Cacabunga13d ago

Simply because i do not think it will succeed.. maybe a bad example but e we got Medievil remake after many years fans have beg asking... result is It flopped hard. Remaking a JRPG is so risky. Only a bunch of hardcore gamers who played the original would buy it. If Sony put even more budget into it then it’s even more risky.

As i suggested before, i think they should start remaking like square did with Star Ocean. Or something similar to Octopath Traveller. Build up some hype and try on higher scale later on..

Terry_B13d ago

Let me tell you about PS1 games that should get a remake actually.

Jumping Flash (As a VR game)
Ridge Racer 1-4 as Ridge Racers 3..just like the pretty perfect PSP RR1.-2 games but with even more content
Xenogears
Cardinal Sin which was full of nice ideas for its time but was plagued by technical limitations
Bushido Blade ^^ just like CS
Bust A Groove.
WWF Attitude. With the same roster, same voices,Only slightly updated gameplay but current gen graphics
Dynasty Warriors..yes the fighting game that was similar to Tekken 2 while it had weapons.As nice as the DW games are..its a shame they never released a new fighting game

And while I am at it.

Thrill Kill ...hell yes.

KyRo13d ago

Ah Thrill Kill, the game that was banned/cancelled but everyone had played 😂 what a throwback!

darthv7213d ago

jumping Flash would make a great VR game. Im actually quite surprised nobody has thought to do that one... even on the indie side for something like the meta quest.

GhostMirror13d ago

Big yes to Jumping Flash! and Ridge Racer revivals. Bushido Blade was cool as well; it was pretty deep and so much different from other fighting games at the time. Einhander was another good non-RPG from Square, which was kind of rare for them in that era.

Didn’t Thrill Kill eventually get re-skinned and released with a Wu-Tang Clan license? 😂

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I miss Ridge Racer so much, give me a new game or at least a collection of the older games! I had a blast playing Ridge Racer PSP on my PS4 a few months back.

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FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I cannot understand the current business practice of remaking games from the previous generation, especially when they are very much playable today and still hold up well, it's even worse when people are willing buying them again. The PS1 generation is so ripe for remakes, I know more than a few people who would clamour for a Xenogears remake, or almost any game from that list.

Ravenkiss13d ago

and Valkyrie Profile Lenneth. They did Star Ocean 1 & 2 R already, VPL should get the same treatment.

Redgrave13d ago

I assume this to mean that you aren't considering the PSP port to be the remake in this statement? Like a remake of that one?

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

That version is quite old though, that was 18 years ago, so doing a remake in the vain of Star Ocean might be worth it (I did not think the PSP was that old until I looked it up).

Knightofelemia13d ago

I'd be down for FF8, and Xenogears. But I would also be down for Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. And I wish Namco would get off their ass and remake or remaster the Xenosaga trilogy.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

There's been talk of a Xenosaga trilogy on the proviso that there was enough demand, I hope that actually happens one day.

Christopher13d ago

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LoveSpuds13d ago

What a fantastic game that was!

Skuletor13d ago

You forgot Tenchu: Stealth Assassins

Snookies1213d ago

Why does From Software not do ANYTHING with this franchise... It's so sad... Can't they at least outsource it to someone to try a revival?

leahcim12d ago

masterpiece, best OST of all times.

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Final Fantasy Games That Deserve the Remake Treatment

Final Fantasy has a long running history with numerous numbered titles and spin-offs, but which games stand to benefit from a remake?

gold_drake119d ago

i feel like all of them.
well except 2 haha.

shinoff2183119d ago

Agreed. Ff2 though can be made better, so it's not entirely a lost cause. Ff8 will gets its time. I do wish they'd do the old ones. From ff10 and up those ones still hold up pretty well.

kevco33119d ago

Honestly, I've always felt that VII and up 'hold up well' in that regard. The early 3D games just needed a cosmetic update. But the FFVII Remake is so different to the original in execution that a lot of games could be done in a similar fashion and feel far more modern.

I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing (that depends on your personal preference!), just that they could feel very different.

shinoff2183118d ago

Kevco I liked remake but I think your right. Idda been happy with a 1 to 1 remake that looked like ever crisis to. Or both

I'd just love I square would one day give us a turned based one with today's graphics. I can't really think of a jrpg that does that.

andy85118d ago

I'd rather the 13 trilogy just be ported tbh. No matter what you think if it, it shouldn't be the only numbered offline games not playable on new consoles. But naturally I'd play the **** out of 8-12 remakes.

shinoff2183118d ago

I do agree. I'd give it another shot even though I didn't like it at first. My taste change over time. Gta 4 for instance I was so disappointed it lacked so much of what san andreas had I didn't play it for like 5 years. One day went to a semi pro football game(American football) came home drunk and decided to try 4 again. I actually liked it after giving it a fair shot.

Rebel_Scum118d ago

Just make new games. Not every game needs to be remade.

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All Of The Final, Final Fantasy Bosses, Ranked

BLG writes: "Final Fantasy bosses are swimming with challenging and exciting battles. Over the course of the series, the game has evolved from turn-based battles to more action-oriented gameplay. That has allowed players to see a variety of battles and types if you’ve played multiple entries across the decades. Bosses you see in more recent games like Final Fantasy 15 are grander in scale than those you might have seen on the Super Nintendo in the 1990s. That doesn’t always equate to them being more legendary, though. "

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RavenWolfx749d ago

Yeah, Yu Yevon was such a disappointment.