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I'm Proud of My Sexualization in Gaming

GotGame: (Maggie Wiland) - Now, there’s the obviously moral thing that’s wrong with this situation in that if a character is sexualized to the point of it just selling units then yeah that’s a little questionable. However, if a character is just ok with her sexuality-it’s a personality trait of hers and that’s how she’s decided to portray herself-then I don’t really see the problem.

xHeavYx3878d ago

I'd be proud if we stopped adding fuel to this topic

jc485733878d ago

but what if Kojima wants us to discuss about it. It was probably all planned along by him.

UnwanteDreamz3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

How does that make it less dumb to talk about?

Women in this world are having acid thrown on them for being pretty and unavialable. This public attention to a game passed off as a women issue when this http://www.bing.com/images/... is happening to real women is sick.

Priorities people!

TheOneWhoIsTornApart3878d ago

@UnwantedDreamz: I agree 100%. This business about this so called objectification of women issue is so petty compared to these innocent women in Middle Eastern countries that have to be put through hell for absolutely no reason. I mean they get raped and then they are considered the offender and are either stoned to death or like you said have acid thrown on their faces. It's so sad to see this.

Whitefire3878d ago

@UnwantedDreamz
That has nothing to do with character models in MGS5, this is where people get irrational. Men die everyday, women die every day, it happens. I'm not sure what you are trying got get at with your comment.

cleft53878d ago

His point is that we should be focusing on real issues that are facing women, not these pointless video game issues that we aren't even sure is sexist or not.

He is trying to say that if people really want to do something to help women then there are a lot better things to be drawing there attention to as oppose to a twitter pic of some character model.

-Gespenst-3878d ago

These things feed into those issues though cleft. They contribute to a culture from which "real" issues arise. Also, these "real" issue can generate items of culture that spin them a certain way and make things worse. It's a kind of two-way street. Things like this reinforce or contribute to how people think about women on a cultural level.

KRUSSIDULL3878d ago

No one saw Child Soldiers in the trailer? But yeah lets make a problem of half naked women.

Sketchy_Galore3878d ago

I did want this topic to die but this was a good article. Could've done without the conspiracy theory stuff in the last paragraph but most of the points raised here have been my thoughts on the issue that I always felt a little iffy voicing because I'm a man (or at least a 30yr old little boy). I always feel like this stuff is the old Victorian fear of the power of female sexuality resurfacing under the guise of 'protecting women' but to be fair I always had to accept the fact that I did not know exactly how this stuff felt from a female perspective. It's good to see a female perspective on the issue that I can actually relate to somewhat.

-Gespenst-3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Seems likely that Quiet is a victim in the game which sort of invalidates this article's central thesis, i.e. "However, if a character is just ok with her sexuality-it’s a personality trait of hers and that’s how she’s decided to portray herself-then I don’t really see the problem." Of course there's nothing necessarily wrong with this, but the evidence is mounting to suggest that's not what the character of Quiet is all about.

There's also the issue of determining that in "being proud of one's sexualisation" whether or not one has merely just internalised patriarchal values, as opposed to adopting an identity that is free from ambient social and cultural pressures. There's a lot of women who feel proud of their sexualisation only because on a deeper level, this appeases and pleases men and is perhaps the only way to appease their oppressors- the only way to fit in such a society as a woman; the only way to make something of yourself or be noticed as a woman. The kind of success this may or may not grant is of course, far from being quite as privileged as the success that a male would achieve. Mainly because their agency is denied through objectification, and their self-determined identity can never be taken seriously or as anything substantial.

Sketchy_Galore3878d ago

See, to me that's more dehumanising than having a character walk around in a skimpy outfit. To imply or even to suggest the possibility that women who claim to be fine with it have just internalised patriarchal values is to suggest that a woman's own opinion of her own personal feeling can be discounted because she doesn't really know what she thinks.

I've seen this same argument used against women who claim to be happy and content working in prostitution, pornography or stripping and it always seems to carry the suggestion that a woman as an individual should not have the right (or does not even have the ability) to define her own existence and to decide what she is or isn't okay with. To discount any one individual woman's opinion on what she is and isn't okay with because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions of what she should and shouldn't be okay with is far more degrading and insulting than any videogame character could ever be.

-Gespenst-3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

You're right, of course it is, but only if it's a false evaluation of such a woman. But it's a thing that still exists. It's not an attack saying this about a woman anyhow, it's an attack on the system they live within that's cultivated and encouraged that lack of self-awareness. Like I said, it's a case of "whether or not", and it doesn't apply to all women, but it does apply to quite a number, and it's not actually their fault.

If a woman, to put it bluntly, "can't think for herself", that's owed entirely to the kind of information disseminated across culture and society that's available to her or made known to her. Immersed within such a culture, it's naturally going to be hard, or harder than it ought for a woman to come by things that trangress a patriarchal order. She's not in control of that, cultural gatekeepers are.

I'm not at all saying women don't have the ability to define their own existence, they certainly do, but cultural conditions heavily effect and inhibit the possibility of this- systems beyond their control- that is, beyond their control in proportion to how indoctrinated they've been.

Hey, the same applies to men who desperately want to fit in by being "big" and taking on protein diets etc. For the most part, that's just a trend, a bandwagon sort of mentality and an accessorising of the body. It's an internalisation owing to social pressures that shouldn't exist and are silly, and certainly tie into all sorts of nonsense masculine ideals.

Sketchy_Galore3878d ago

Fair point. Of course believing somebody has been steered wrong by their unthinking acceptance of 'common sense' and societal peer pressure is what we all do to some extent. You probably think my feelings on this issue are wrong because I have adopted views and opinions from our culture that I have failed to thoroughly fact check first and I'm sure I think the same about you. That's just what it is to disagree.

I just want to make sure we're not automatically discounting people's viewpoints by claiming we know their motivations better than they do. Maybe we do, maybe we don't, that should be discovered through debate rather than assumed outright.
Having said that I've ranted boring rants about this enough for tonight so I'm gonna go get drunk. Thanks for the enjoyable debate though, rare enough to find somebody who will actually stick to the issues and not just let it devolve into yelling slurs and curses.

BattleTorn3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

"[Women] often say, “Hey, we’re not just a piece of meat!” which is true, but to an extent we can use that train of thought to our own advantage can’t we?"

'Don't treat us like pieces of meat, but let us act like we are'

Huh?

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Now we'll have to see how much the Master Collection will add to those numbers.

Number1TailzFan174d ago

Too bad it was a lazy release. They could've updated the visuals and everything. Missed opportunity.

Stanjara174d ago

...and yet, they couldn't give more respect and effort into the collection.
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Minute Man 721174d ago (Edited 174d ago )

Are they counting every game?

Edit: they did

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CrimsonWing69190d ago

Yea I don’t get why they’re allowing old reviews to be posted here. Someone did one on Soul Reaver and I got so excited thinking there was some stealth release of an HD Remaster, but no… it’s just someone who had a slow day posted an old review…

Cacabunga190d ago

I liked the game but for me it felt somehow like a military simulator rather than a proper MGS.. i got bored of that

micdagoat19190d ago

I do wish they would remaster all the soul reavers

micdagoat19190d ago

it was done this morning though

goldwyncq189d ago

The author was in a coma for 9 years and didn't get to play the game when it released.

Chocoburger190d ago

This review arrived just in time for launch. Perfect timing!

RupeeHoarder190d ago

Amazing how bad this game looks already. We keep acting like this gen doesn't feel like an update but I think we're starting to see it.

YourMommySpoils190d ago

Looks better than Starfield, Cyberpunk and most recent games out. Still fine.

RupeeHoarder190d ago

It most certainly does not lol.

andy85190d ago

Have you player Cyberpunk since the first day? It's absolutely stunning now

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1nsomniac189d ago

One of the worst games ever made. Absolute overhyped trash!

Snowb420189d ago

The gameplay was great. It was the tacked on open world and repetitive missions that messed the game up.

Shane Kim189d ago

The game started really strong in that hospital, but after a couple of hours I wondered if it was even an mgs game I was playing.

KyRo189d ago

The hospital section was the only bit that felt like a MGS game.

MGS4 was the ending for me. I totally ignore the fact 5 exists. It didn't need to exist tbh

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