Nintendo Has Perfected The HD Remake

The PlayStation 3 currently has some of the best video game HD remakes available. Sony clearly started a trend by giving some of the best PS2 games a complete HD overhaul. This year, Nintendo appears to be really interested in setting a new HD remake standard

[chadboban]

Small correction for the article there, the games runs at 1080p 30fps not 1080p 60fps.

Also this game is damn gorgeous, I found this screenshot while browsing Neogaf.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

Goddamn it's beautiful!

[Yi-Long]

... but that beauty and greatness comes mostly from a design-perspective. Not from using amazing graphical power or whatever.

When I saw the newest trailer, I was very happy, but I also wonder how much better it really looks when you compare it to the HD version running on Dolphin.

Just look it up on Youtube: It looks fantastic as well.

[ChickeyCantor]

Depends on your opinion I guess. People really love the simple use of graphics of the original in HD ( not like the gamecube could have done more ).

I've actually tried WW in 1080p and it looks really good. But imo I like the new shaders and texture far better in the remake. And images don't always do it justice. I can only imagine this game looking way better while you're playing it.

[chadboban]

Oh c'mon man, I just said that it looks beautiful, you don't have to be all "Well it's not because of amazing graphical power or whatever". I didn't say anything about the Wii U being a powerhouse system or anything like that so I'd appreciate it if you didn't treat me like I did. Doesn't change the fact that the game is beautiful though.

I've played it in dolphin myself actually and I personally think this looks better. The improved textures and new lighting really adds a lot to the visual presentation of the game in my opinion. They did a lot more than just change the resolution.

http://i.imgur.com/6xMJlew....
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Comparison video between GC and Wii U

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Baka-akaB]

I guess i'm in a fringe minority then . While i can appreciate a lot of work was put into this , especially to get it at 1080p@60 fps ... i dont like how overly satured in colors and bloom the remake is compared to the original .

Maybe it wont be that way when i demo the real thing , but some textures seems to even become washed out and blurry like the green grass losing details to become a shiny flat green surface . In the comparison video , you loose small details of the usual imperfection on the road track , and it becomes a flat yellow track . And bunch of stuff like that

Or maybe i need to check out my eyes already

[thezeldadoth]

HD dolphin version is really nice, but this looks better by far. its more than visuals as well, they tweaked the gameplay and the missions to make a more seamless experience.

[Realplaya]

Wind waker with dolphin can't hold a candle to the Wii U version. Don't get me wrong it's nice but wow I had the game on the cube and if I didn't have a Wii U I would get one for this game alone.

[Shok]

Pretty sure Windwaker HD runs in 60 fps. I think you're getting the 30 fps from some of the demos people have played, but the final product should be 60 fps.

But yeah it's a gorgeous looking game.

[chadboban]

Heard it form people with review copies. It's apparently 30fps according to them.

[FlyingFoxy]

Should be, it would be kind of unacceptable to run at a low framerate of 30.

Even MK8 looks great and that is going to run at 60.

[chadboban]

I tweeted Josh Thomas from TheBitBlock, he has a review copy and he says it's 30fps.

https://twitter.com/TheBitB...

Don't see why it really matters though, the game runs smooth as hell anyways.

[Qrphe]

>Pretty sure Windwaker HD runs in 60 fps.

There is very little basis for this beyond Nintendo's comments about 60fps for their other games. Speculation can get out of hand, just like it has with those being dead-sure MK8, DK:TF, 3D World, X, etc will be 1080p60fps.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

That was always my favorite Island in WW.

[Shadowsteal]

It is gorgeous and true both Microsoft and Nintendo gave both of their legendary titles a full remake such has Halo, Windwaker, and coming up Fable.

But Sony and their partners had so many games to remake, it would've been impossible to give them all a premium remake due to development time

Ratchet & Clank 3 games for $30
Jak & Daxter 3 games for $40
Sly Cooper 3 games for $40
Shadow of the Colossus & Ico $40
FFX and FFX/2 $40 2 games for $40
Kingdom Hearts 1.5 3 games for $40
God of War 1&2 2 games for $40
God of War Chains of Olympus & Ghost of Sparta 2 games for $40
God of War Saga 5 games for(Including God of war 3) $50

So for Windwaker to charge a $50 price tag i feel as if it's slightly steep and I'm spoiled from the prices and value I got from other remakes. That said I will def. pick this up at one point since I never had a gamecube, but when it's around <$20. Because I'm going to be playing GTAV when Windwaker HD releases.

But nevertheless the game looks gorgeous, so vibrant and dynamic looking. Reminds me of the art-style used in Ratchet and Clank: A crack in time. Simply beautiful.

[Moncole]

They could have hired a third party stdio to make it a great HD remake instead of just updating the resolution.

[Shadowsteal]

All of those remakes were done by 3rd party Studios. To do full remakes is time and money wasted. If they did that where would they find the time to create PS4 games, PS Vita games, and games like The Last of Us, Beyond: Two Souls, Puppeteer, Gran Turismo 6 and etc.

Nintendo and Microsoft didn't mass remake their titles just a select few were remade. Halo and Fable and Ocarina of Time and Windwaker. Sony has too many titles from PS2 era to justify a full hd remake on every one of them. And besides I wouldn't trust the quality of a full remake on a 3rd party a full remake should be done by 1st parties since they would know what to fix and add.

[Theyellowflash30]

All of the games you listed are HD ports. This is a HD REMAKE with added features like MiiVerse, Gamepad controls, Hero Mode, faster sailing, ect

Comparing the two is moot, its not the same.

[DarkHeroZX]

@yellowflash

You are aware that most of those HD ports use the PS3/Vita/360's features as well. I don't remember the originals having trophies or achievements on top of other features.

[Shadowsteal]

@Yellowflash

Games like FFX HD and Kingdom Hearts HD are receiving fixes and some scenes are replaced with higher quality ones and music for both these titles are being remastered. So it's not that far off to make a comparison. Besides I enjoy experiencing games the way they were originally meant to be experienced. Such as MGS1 I played MGS1 after MGS2 and MGS3 to catch up with the story before MGS4. And despite the aged graphics and control scheme, I enjoyed the hell out of it and MGS1's story is timeless. The remake that featured on gamecube altered certain scenes and made certain cut scenes over the top and away from the original vision. But to each his own right? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[FamilyGuy]

Damn, I want this but... it cost money :(

[Yi-Long]

@Chadboban: I have a feeling you either misread me, or misunderstood me, or whatever.

Yes, it's a gorgeous game. No, I didn't intend to 'insult' the graphical power of the WiiU or anything.

I was just admiring the fantastic design of the game, which is the reason why it looks good, has always looked good, and will always look good, regardless of hardware specs or resolution.

It's just a stunning game from a visual design POV. It all just 'works'.

Kinda like how I feel Sonic 1 and 2 are still amazing games to watch, as well as Super Mario World. It's because the design behind it is so great. The characters, the backgrounds, the music, etc etc. It's just FUN to be in those worlds. They're 'convincing', without being 'realistic'.

I really think you took what was meant as a massive compliment to the game and Nintendo, and somehow turned it into something negative.

Yes it's gorgeous, but the beauty absolutely comes from the visual design of it all.

[chadboban]

Oh okay, sorry if I misread you there buddy. Didn't mean to take your comment as a negative. I agree with you though, the design and artstyle really shines through in a game like Wind Waker, even 10 years later.

[3-4-5]

An HD remake of a 10+ year old game looks better than 95% of NEW games on the market today.

That shows TRUE talent and not just reliance on tech.

[Talamak]

I've never played Wind Waker being that the last Nintendo console I owned was a Super Nintendo (I chose playstation one over N64 and playstation 2 over Gamecube)...but this game has always peaked my interest, aesthetically it's unlike any other game I've seen in the Zelda franchise and besides the one on N64 is the only Zelda game I remember seeing my friend (a die hard nintendo fan play to high hell)...nonetheless HD or not it looks dope, 30fps or 60fps it looks dope and I'm sure plays just fine

[ape007]

this gotta be the best HD remake ever along with Halo CE anniversary

[TheLyonKing]

Now if only they could perfect the new ip

[Xof]

Astonishing. Nintendo has managed to perfect the HD Remake without remaking a single game. Ever.

Simply astonishing.

[Azurite]

Alright, pre-ordered.

[thezeldadoth]

This and sonic lost world are the most exciting games this fall.

[Inception]

I still confused the different between "Remake" and "Remaster". Are those HD collection are remaster, not remake?

[PopRocks359]

I think a remake qualifies if it's a game being made from the ground up. Since Wind Waker uses brand new assets and nothing from the original Gamecube game, it can be objectively called a remake. A remaster more or less takes the original game and makes it new again, sort of like Halo Anniversary (I think, not sure about this one) or a Sony HD collection.

The terminology seems to become a little more and more confusing as these games come out lol.

[Inception]

Lol, i'm glad i'm not the only one who got confused about this "Remake" and "Remaster" thing XD

But as far as i knew, the only full remake that sony ever made is Wild Arms: Alter Code F on PS2. The graphic, gameplay, story, and music got a pretty big change compare to Wild Arms 1 on PS1. Besides that, i don't know if Warhawk, Siren: Blood Curse, and Twisted Metal on PS3 are fall under "Remake" category.

[CrossingEden]

Sony didn't give their games an HD overhaul. They just upped the resolution, Microsoft was the one who gave their game an HD overhaul. And now nintendo is too.

[Blacklash93]

Really isn't a remake, though. You can still tell this is the Gamecube game but with greatly upscaled textures, new lighting and shaders, and a bunch of small tweaks and additions throughout. It does indeed look gorgeous, regardless.

[PopRocks359]

Already confirmed to not be using the Gamecube game's assets. This is made entirely on the engine they are developing/have developed for the newer Zelda Wii U game.

[PrimeGrime]

Trying to sell mine right now, so I can get the bundle. No emails yet :(.. I want that game pad. Needs to match my Zelda 3DS.

All Zelda everything!