Major Nelson: “Looking forward” as “truth comes out” regarding PS4 being 30% superior vs Xbox One

Major Nelson: “Looking forward” as the “truth comes out” regarding PS4 being 30% superior vs Xbox One

[ZodTheRipper]

He is a very strange representative for a company ...wouldn't surprise me if he's the mastermind behind greenpowerz lol

[Godchild1020]

I would be surprise if the Xbox One is more 30% more powerful than the PS4.

EDIT: I'M referring to this article and the Hot Chips event.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz...

[ZodTheRipper]

Prepare to be not surprised then.

[Software_Lover]

*-*

Some of you are funny.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Child are on to something or are you just babbling?

[AbortMission]

But it's not, so there goes that surprise Lol

[scott182]

Is he trolling? Who claimed the PS4 is 30% more powerfull?

[JokesOnYou]

Well we shall see when independent bench tests are done....both consoles will be under a MICROscope, lol so we'll know exactly what the gap is. I'm betting as Ive said a million times now that specs wise neither will have a significant advantage....hell if games are anything to go by I'm already right with X1 at least looking like X1 devs are a bit ahead but of course its early, either way the games on both sides will continue to showcase what devs can accomplish with hardwork, money, vision, and of course talent.

[Godchild1020]

My comment is not a fanboy comment. I don't care which is more powerful. I just want to play some new games, on new consoles.

[JohnS1313]

That was a nonsense rumor. The PS4 is possibly 50% more powerful than the Xbox 180 though.

[HammadTheBeast]

Big boy Larry talking smack.

Did he forget the humiliation after the Angry Joe video?

[thrust]

I can not wait for the test to be done!

It's going to be funny when all the ps fanboys see that the 50% and 30% is all a load of crap.

[pedrof93]

You people are getting too excited.

What Penelo said was something like that were elements on X1 hardware that weren't fully understood, also saying that also on Ps4 there were elements that weren't fully comprehended.

He said that the 30% couldn't be entirely true because no one was counting with the software part, then he mention that they made Direct X 11(?).

The "truth" is about the integrity of the entire system.

[YNWA96]

Godchild, the most intelligent statement here in a long time.... I too do not care what it takes to get it on my TV screen.... As long as the games are great, and look amazing.... Who cares whats under the hood.... Its whats on my TV that counts.... Killzone looks great... Forza looks great.... Statements like that though condemns you to disagrees here...

[Dakriz]

You are right but everyone seems to forget the move drives the sound drives etc witch where design by MS for MS so Hyrbis right only time will tell and high customization will show the difference.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

My comment came off a little strong but @Child posts evidence of MS console possibly being on par with Sony's machine.

With all these work arounds and up clocks MS has done I possibly believe Sony and MS console will be pretty close in performance.

And that's a good thing.

[Angeljuice]

Where did they find those "world-class software engineers", because they were nowhere to be found during the production of the latest version of windows!

[majiebeast]

Dude that rumour was started by 1 of the biggest and most delusional xbox fanboys on the internet, yes more delusional then neverending.

It makes no sense if this was true Microsoft would be screaming it off the rooftops. Also if you have seen the hotchips slides, dgpu makes no sense for the memory system they are using.

They are just trying to downplay the PS4 specs it would not be the first time Mayor Nelson/Microsoft PR lie i think they are doing it daily by now.

[scott182]

I think what sony has an advantage in is video game developing, they already seem a bit ahead with killzone and infamous with the insane amout of effects and action. Sony seems to have that upper hand... But in hardware, we don't have any idea.

[christocolus]

@Godchild1020

.Lmao....pls don't make fbs start another war here..oh damn its too late.its started already..all these comments aside I'm kind of liking larry,penello,harrison,spencer and mehdi a lot infact the entire xbx team are doing great..I dnt care hw the fight for graphics ends..I just want to play dr3 ,halo,gow any rare adenture game and titanfall so badly...but i saw that article somedays ago..if it does turn out to be true then halo5 would be freaking awesome... 343, blackstusk, good science ,rare, epic ,remedy and lionhead must be hard at work as we speak....nice

[pompombrum]

"The "truth" is about the integrity of the entire system."

If that's the case, the Xbox team are in for a very bumpy ride. They're done more 180s on the integrity of their system to leave even Dead or Alive dizzy with all that spinning.

[nypifisel]

Jeez, this again. We already know pretty much exactly how each platform is build and with what hardware, and it's just a fact; the PS4 is pretty far ahead of X1. There's no disputing this

[thekhurg]

@jokesonyou

You are by far the most unintelligent, troll poster on this entire website.

How you got the number of bubbles you have by posting such ignorance time and time again blows my mind.

[MazzingerZ]

I have the feeling there's more behind the PS4 HW....that "Yoshida's master plan" is very intrigating...what if the PS4 is upgradable?? Something in the future that will turn it into PS5 from one day to the other? 4-5 years from today that HW is released...maybe a dream out of reality, sorry in that case:)

[gaffyh]

Is Major Nelson getting hired by Sony in the next few months?

That's the only way his comment makes sense.

Just from the raw specifications, PS4 is definitely more powerful than the Xbone. There is no denying that. What it comes down to then is OS load and optimization. If he's saying that their OS is more optimized and therefore reduces PS4 advantage, that's something I can understand (extremely unlikely going by the three OS setup on Xbone). If he's saying that the Xbone is technically more powerful, it's not. It's just...not.

[Eonjay]

For anyone out there who isn't going to read the actual article, Larry is trying to say that they will be able to get just as much out to the Xbox One as the PS4 due to good programming. He is wrong. Theoretically, there is a threshold of 1.31 TFLOPS of performance. Regardless of coding ability, they will never be able to get the same level of theoretical performance out of the Xbox One as a proper program engineered for the PS4.

[thechosenone]

Oh now it's 30%. -_- It's still 40%.. but nice try MS.

[creatchee]

People from both sides can say whatever they want, but the fact is that we do not know the full story behind either console's hardware.

I can't wait to get my hands on both of them, whether there is disparity of power or not. Each one brings their own things to the table.

[Ritsujun]

Poor Mehjurr Pelsuhn, but he needs to try harder.

[tokugawa]

AMD will announce their new GPUs on the 25th of semptember..

Microsoft will be having a conference on the 26th of september.... coincidence??? who knows?

http://google.com

[hakis86]

I love how they try to undermine the raw power advandage the PS4 clearly has.
IMO they should focus on great games, that would benefit them more.

The PS4 GPU was originally about 50% more powerful than the Xbone, before the Xbone got clocked 53Mhz higher, which made it 40-something%.
EDIT: The PS4 still has MORE Stream Processors in the GPU,Compare it to engines: The PS4 still has more cylinders and HP, even though the Xbone got tuned a little bit and pushes out some extra HP.

The CPU has also been clocked higher, but then again; Sony has not offcially confirmed any clock speed.

Although Xbone is performing better with its CPU and GPU than before - which is a good thing - the bandwidth bottleneck with regards to the eSRAM has not been fully explained by Microsoft yet. Can both CPU and GPU access it? At the same time?

This is why they can't go around saying "we can't wait for the truth to be revealed" yada yada.. The truth is that the PS4 has - and will always have - a more powerful GPU with more Stream Processors, and a faster type of memory with higher bandwith than is availible in the Xbone with it's DDR3, eSRAM and Move-engines.

If not, then Microsoft should explain how they can surpass this.
/rant

EDIT 2: Another point is that while DirectX may be good and familiar, The PS4 will support everything DX 11.1 (11.2?) offers, but give developers more low level access to the hardware, meaning they can really take even more advantage of the HW without being limited by "rules" within DirectX.

[Deadpoolio]

Good luck with that, since it ain't gonna happen there are no "secret" parts or chips or a second GPU just the same old weaker than PS4s parts inside....You delusional Xbots are funny though, love it when idiots read a rumor from someone who has been confirmed full of crap and swear it's truth.......

Again the games WOULD LOOK BETTER, an NDA is non-disclosure not non develop

[nukeitall]

Remember when the Cell in PS3 had the flops?

How did that turn out?

Besides, who cares? Fact of the matter is, consoles are behind PC. No let me rephrase that, consoles are WAY BEHIND PC!

You want power, go with PC. You want ease of use and convenience, then console. I have always been of the mind that content and platform is what makes me buy a console.

I loved the Wii, despite it's weak specs and I loved the Xbox 360 despite all the fangirls claim it was weaker than PS3. In the end it didn't matter, because what I cared about was being able to play the games I like and communicate with my friends efficiently with party/cross game chat.

I constantly wished for dedicated server, and I got that with Xbox One. Now bring the games and the features, and I'm happy!

[dantesparda]

I dont know man, i used to think the the PS4 had a pretty good lead powerwise over the X1, but since MS has made all these upgrades (like upping the GPU and CPU clocks), i dont know anymore. While i still think that the PS4 is more powerful and Killzone's single player mode looks miles better than anything else on the next gen systems. The rest of the stuff i am not so sure of (well Infamous does look really good to), but everything else is to close/on par for me. Sony gotta come out and tell me they set their CPU clocks at something higher than 1.6Ghz and hopefully even upped their GPU clocks or show me through the games its a good clip more powerful, cuz right now its not looking as good for Sony for me as it once did. I mean seriously these CPU's can easily do 2.0-2.4GHz and the GPU can easily do 1000MHz (1GHz) and not to mention, have more Compute Units (20). Sorry fanboys but i just keep real. And no, i still would not get a X1 and am still getting a PS4. But i just want it to be as good as it can be

[ziggurcat]

@ HammadTheBeast

"Big boy Larry talking smack.

Did he forget the humiliation after the Angry Joe video?"

or that everything he's said has either been reversed within 48 hours or completely wrong?

[cozomel]

MS themselves said that they werent targeting the highest end graphics and that specs dont matter and then all of the sudden a 180 and specs do matter and the graphics are better than PS4's (Ryse and Forza). Oh MS, when will you stop reversing your stance busting all these 180s?

[SilentNegotiator]

And the millions of gamers screwed over with a console that broke on them will look forward to seeing if Microsoft increasing the clock speed will result in overheating consoles.

Besides, the clock speed increase was 9%.
Are you going to hand out "so there!"s when Ps4 is 21% more powerful, Major Windbag?

[UltimateMaster]

Look out Sony!
They have an Ace in the Hole.
Or something similar...

[mistertwoturbo]

All I can say is the first party Sony studios maxed the hell out of the PS3 with that crazy hard to develop Cell processor, imagine what they can do with an "Easy" to develop system like the PS4.

So yes Larry, the truth will come out and you will see the first party PS4 titles outshine the Xbox One.

[Withdreday]

The truth is out alright, and it's that the PS4 is STILL 30% more powerful than the Xbone, maybe even more.

Sorry Xbox, looks like you've lost this round

[Olympus]

Original Xbox was more powerful than PS2 and yet most of us couldn't tell a difference.

PS3 was supposed to be more powerfull than Xbox 360...Looking at games of current gen, i can't see that to be true at all.

Galaxy S3 was more powerful than iPhone 4s yet it didn't perform so much better in real world performance, heck out youtube.

I am willing to bet my house that most of us console gamer's will not tell any difference between in multiplatform PS4 and Xbox One games. Both will be equal in graphics and capabilities. PS4's slightly better paper spec will mean nothing in realtime performance.

[NukaCola]

Jokesonyou,

You lead the way for biased opinions and bullcrap lies. Take the goggles off and quit with your garbage. Can't you go five seconds without a ignorant remark? You're so anti-Sony that if they provided the world's food, you'd eat Windows 8 discs until you died.

[Withdreday]

@Olympus

You say that "Original Xbox was more powerful than PS2 and yet most of us couldn't tell a difference" when that's simply not true.

Take a look at the first Splinter Cell. It had to be severely scaled back just for it to run properly on PS2 and even the blind could tell the difference between the Xbox and PS2 versions of Splinter Cell.

And there were loads of other games that had to be scaled back graphically on the PS2 or couldn't even dream of running on PS2 as well(Morrowind for instance), so let's try not to be a revisionist here.

With the differences from the PS4 to Xbone hardware in terms of power, we could see scenarios just like that, especially when a game comes along that pushes the PS4 to it's limits.

So keep telling yourself it won't matter all you want, but when the difference is that big, you Will see the difference.

As of now, it really just looks like you're trying to justify an ill-advised pre-order.

[MazzingerZ]

40% Nelson, 40%

[hakis86]

Here, now a developer has even confirmed this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[ohiostatesman]

We'll have to see with the games. Forza vs Driveclub. Halo vs Killzone.

[RumbleFish]

He's looking forward because he has secretly bought SONY shares.

[Ju]

Second GPU is BS. Won't happen.

But - and maybe that's where this comes from - the X1 has a couple of things where it has the edge:

30 GB/s non-cacheable bandwidth to/from DDR3 vs. 20GB/s
An additional DSP which is a signal processing monster.

But beyond that, there's not much more. The eSRAM won't make a dent. The rest of the system is too small, and the 200GB.s wishful thinking,

The DSP is usually used to do "wave form analysis" (or see it as a stream processor). It supposedly has some vector capabilities and is most likely used primarily for Kinect's signal processing - but if not, it might be used as an additional vector unit - and with it, theoretically - one could throw graphics tasks at it. But with that said, DSPs have no access to main RAM, they work on relative small buffers very fast. But none the less, there is a HW unit which can be "abused" to harness power.

The 30GB/s are relevant for CPU heavy code and will give the X1 an edge.

Now - this is nice and also sooo irrelevant, because, all things considered, the PS4 still has the pure compute advantage. MS missed the boat. CPU performance is not the biggest bottleneck these days, compute is - and gpu bandwith (and with it low latency draw calls and the number of such - which become NULL with a a proper shared memory setup).

Reso Gun's developer stated this game runs 1080@60fps by using mostly GPU features only - most of the features run on the GPU and this includes heavy laden physics calculations. So much, that only 50% cpu is needed.

I can only agree with this. A 8 core (or even 6 simple cores) are a major step up from current gens. If not used with graphics or physics - the cpu cores are faster than anything on current consoles - fast enough for sophisticated AI and game logic.

X1 will only have an advantage - if at all - if those extra "chips" can be used for those "extra" calculations. And even then, most if not all of that could be done by the PS4's GPU - with it's 500GF compute advantage which will easily run those tasks (incl. 3D audio processing and physics). I rather think, if the X1 can match the PS4 it must use those extra "processors", otherwise the lead of the PS4 will be pretty obvious.

CPU heavy straight PCs ports might fair quite well on the "faster" cpu. Maybe MS will try to spin this here again. I doubt this will be the norm over time, though.

[Silly Mammo]

“Looking forward” as “truth comes out”

Don't celebrities, politicians and athletes use these phrases when they are obviously guilty of something and have to talk to the media about it.

"I look forward to the trial where the truth will come out."

[UltimateMaster]

I hate surprises, especially when they come from Microsoft.... What exactly are we in for?

[gaelic_laoch]

Leisure Truth Larry is renowned for being economical with the truth at the best of times and as slippery as a beaver covered in WD40!!

[vigilante_man]

Ha, ha - Very funny....

But if there is any truth in this:
1) I will still be looking forward to my PS4 and the great games ahead.
2) This would be good for anyone getting the XB1.
3) Just how much are they losing per unit?

Guess we are just going to have to wait until September 29/30!

[Saigon]

Very funny comment.

I had to do research to found out why so many xbox fans are throwing this theory out there. For the life I couldn't figure it out, but then I think I found something that may caused them to think this way. The main reason is because they are basing the theory on the dGPU or discrete GPU. that is all fine and dandy but I think most people are unaware what the dGPU is actually for. Grant it can process graphics and apply some theory but it is not as all powerful as some make it to be. The dGPU in most computers control the displayed graphics and does allow the CPU or GPU to access it if needed. This chip doesn't enhance too much in theory only gives help when needed or so; so the main GPU does not have to bare the hassle. Now out of that if MS is actually hiding something, then so be it, but still, wouldn't you think they would have already showed this card to prove they had the upper hand. I mean seriously, all we know Sony might reveal the same stucture or something similar.

[HugoDrax]

Hahahaha @ calling him " Leisure Truth Larry" funny

[ArchangelMike]

It really does not matter at all. The fact is that Sony First Party Studios completely outclass Microsoft First Party Studious in every respect, and specifically when it comes to graphical output.

If PS3 First Party Games vs Microsoft First Party Games are anything to go by, then PS4 will completely dominate XBone when it comes to First Party games, and specifically graphics.

When it comes to third party titles, then it gets a bit screwed up, because exclusive content and such are bought and sold, and third party devs (historically) will develop for the lowest common denominator, even if one system is more powerful than the other.

[JohnS1313]

That third party nonsense needs to stop. They should take more pride in their work than that. Are they actually happy with producing crap on the PS3 just to make the 360 version look as good?

[Volkama]

I'm going to say something that I think might blow your mind:

I don't like naughty dog's games.

There, it's off my chest. Had that bottled up for like, 20 whole hours after I finally tried uncharted 2 yesterday (I've already done 1 and TLOU, unlikely to try 3 now).

Note I'm not speaking against the quality of those games, I'm just pointing out that your preferences are your own.

[Kryptix]

@Volkama

You were also dissing Alan Wake in a different article which is one of the best written exclusives on the 360 in my opinion and for most people that played it.

Either you're a troll or have no taste in knowing what a great game is. I'm thinking the latter or just both since you just can't find enjoyment in some of the best games ever made this gen. Great story or great action with excellent gameplay, you just dissed them all. If there's one flaw, then you despise it.

My advice...break your keyboard since when you type something, you make no sense.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/...

[MizTv]

That's what m$ fanboys just don't understand
And that's why I pick ps

[Volkama]

It's true, I didn't enjoy Alan Wake. The combat in particular was not my cup of tea. I found myself hoping the nightmare bits would end not because the tension, but because I just didn't find the combat enjoyable.

I typically don't enjoy stealth games either, and in the case of uncharted games I did not enjoy searching for the correct nook or ridge to progress through.

I also acknowledge in my comment above that naughty dog's games are evidently high quality, but not to my tastes.

My preferences do not match yours, so i don't make sense and should smash my keyboard???

[andrewsqual]

@JohnS1313 Naughty Dog is not the only Sony 1st party studio mate (I played TLOU too, Jak 2 is still better lol) Try naming off and saying that all the other 1st party Sony studios and games are no good and don't impress you to make a proper point to ArchangelMike. Why are Naughty Dog the end all argument?

[Volkama]

Andrewsquall I think you meant to say that to me? I'm not really out to bash studios that Sony own. I mention ND games purely to highlight that an opinion (common or otherwise) isn't gospel.

Honestly I spent a good few years without really touching either console, but now I'm frantically trying to play through as many showpiece games as I can on both consoles before November. Heavy rain and the last 2 god of war games are high on my list to experience, and I expect I'll enjoy them a lot.

[ArchangelMike]

@Volkama

My point is not about personal preference in regard to a particular type of game. My point is that when you compare Sony first party games with Microsoft first party games in terms of quality (not genre or style); Sony first party studios always produce better games - qualitatively.

Ergo, if we go by history, Sony first party studios will produce better quality games as opposed to Microsoft first party studios; and this is regardless of the power difference between the consoles.

[Caffo01]

If you don't like ND games then you don't like games in general

[patterson]

The 1st round of 3rd party games will not be optimized for either system's strengths. This kind of thing always gets better later in the console's life.

It's the 1st party games that we'll see these kind of optimizations earlier on.

[avengers1978]

The only people saying the PS4 isn't more powerful than the XB1 is MS.

[ZodTheRipper]

The funny thing is, even with inferior hardware Sony's first party would outshine Microsoft. Now they have superior hardware coupled with a much simpler architecture that'll result in shorter development times which means the gap in quality and quantity of exclusive titles will be even bigger than this gen.

[kickerz]

Except that he didn't actually say Ps4 isn't more powerful. He just said its not 30% more powerful. Get your facts right.

[Aceman18]

you know when Microsoft people speak i usually just "Yawn" because they NEVER tell the truth about anything.

[Thatguy-310]

Let's just say Sony studios are a lot better than Microsoft's. So Even if the xbox is powerful I honestly doubt they can outshine or even match the quality found in Naughty Dog, Media Molecule, Santa Monica and the rest of the gang. Look what they did with the ps3 hardware. PS4 is stronger so whats coming from them should be mind blowing.

[die_fiend]

He shouldn't be looking forward to it. Naughty Dog

[iamnsuperman]

Well this title is a little misleading. It is more a defence over what his colleague was saying than a flat out statement.

[ZHZ90]

Who said that PS4 is 30% more power?

At first MS said specs don't matter then here comes Albert says "We won'tlet Sony use more power" then Larry repeats what Albert said which makes me beleive that their talented programers would make X1 look more powerful than PS4.

[ZHZ90]

I was in a hurry what I meant that PS4 has more than 30% power not just 30%.(It ranges from 40-50%)

And what would make those talented programers would do to make X1 is more powerful than PS4.
And PS4 is more power that was my point.
Impossible their talented developers make X1 more powerful than PS4. I don't believe talented programmers would help.

[negative]

Be ready people. Because when the truth comes out it's going to knock you on your @$$!!!!!!! You've been warned!!!

(please remove all sharp objects, loaded weapons, and anything the Sony fanboys can hurt themselves with. Because it's ON).

[ziggurcat]

you mean this unproven NDA (haven't seen any actual proof of the existence of this NDA, and it's impossible that MS would be prevented/prevent themselves from speaking about their own hardware specs) , and that magical dGPU that doesn't actually exist?

[dantesparda]

You, you, you officially been warned! (Mau Mau)

[Magicite]

ur too negative

[ALLWRONG]

Major Nelson just burned the majority here at N4G

[ZodTheRipper]

I think you got it ALLWRONG.

[dantesparda]

a ha sucker! zod got you good, try again

[N4Flamers]

Im looking forward to when microsoft abandons their fans and leaves their console almost barren for the third time.

[dantesparda]

oh havent you heard, MS said they will support the 360 for another 3 years. 3 yrs? what kind of crap is that to say? MS just shut up

[Anon1974]

When did Sony claim the PS4 30% more powerful? Sony put their specs out there for all to see. Others who know hardware are the ones claiming the PS4 has a power advantage. I can tell you as a developer myself, I don't care how good a programmer you are, you're still limited by the hardware you're releasing on. A car with a top speed of 250km/h isn't going to suddenly do 300km/h because it has a good driver.

[Anon1974]

Exactly my point. In both cases you're still limited by the capabilities of the hardware.

[ziggurcat]

i actually think that thetruthx1 is a greenpowerz alt account... the nonsense he spews is almost identical.

[dantesparda]

aint that thetruth

[Gamer1982]

thanks to multiplatform devs trying to make the same game on both consoles I doubt we will see the difference until some dev really doesn't care about parity like Squre-Enix showed last generation with FF13 when we saw that PS3 was more powerful than 360. The differnce back then was to get the power out of PS3 you gotta develop for years and S-E does that most devs don't which is why 360 always looked slightly better in comparison videos. It was simply easier to develop for.

[Gamer1982]

Why does MS care if the PS4 is more powerful anyway? Since when did they start caring about games again? Games are secondary to MS its all about the TV..

[kenshiro100]

I sense insecurity on Microsoft's part.

[Vip3r]

Stick to flipping switches Nelson. Thanks.

[thetruthx1]

Me too Larry

The graphics co-processors perform the tasks that bog down gpus freeing up the graphics card to do what it does best show realism

Here's a list of the things Crytek have in Ryse

Tessellated water
Best bokeh
Real time caustics
Heavy geometry based grass rendering with visibility over 100m
Great shadow rendering with penumbra
Very good Lod transitions
Pom and tessellation
Real-time reflections on everything
Soft collision particles, lit and shadow particles
Wind physics
Volumetric fog shadows
Real time GI

No wonder it looks so incredible : )

[FlunkinMonkey]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

How is life in Narnia?

[Tooly]

lol

[gaelic_laoch]

http://i.imgur.com/dmdM3Sm....

It a Neverending Story with these xboners!

[thetruthx1]

Seeing how this came from Crytek themselves looks like you just made an idiotic statement

Thanks dummy lol

[black0o]

Killzone says Hi

[gamertk421]

@black. Why would an inferior game send its greetings?

[Clarence]

WTH

[Megaton]

It's funny how people with user names including words like "truth" or "logic" are always the furthest off the mark. It's like you know you're going to be wrong a lot when you sign up, so you try to preemptively counter that with a user name that says you're correct.

[DigitalRaptor]

Win.

[Godlovesgamers]

True story.

[LogicStomper]

I disagree. Prove me wrong.

[HaMM4R]

And yet even with all of your fancy graphical features the game still looks awful. It has crytek syndrome. Gameplay should always come first.

[Mystogan]

Explain how Killzone is any different.

[AceBlazer13]

Killzone is actually good?

[Xsilver]

so they weren't positive feedback on KZ yeah ok mystogan go back to fairy tail.

[mario19]

Killzone is better lol

[UnHoly_One]

Killzone is terrible. Easily one of the worst shooters in a pretty wrapper that I've ever played.

And nobody knows jack squat about how Ryse plays.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ UnHoly_One

1) I doubt you've even played Killzone as your description of the PSN and PS+ in other threads has been ridiculously skewed and incorrect, to the degree that it's as though you've only heard your info through other ridiculous fanboy statements. KZ2 - one of the best online shooters ever conceived. Shame KZ3 couldn't match it. Mercenary's multiplayer has been getting some fantastic feedback, and Shadow Fall looks fantastic in both categories.

2) IGN have played it and have confirmed it's not fun, or any good - in fact, boring, clunky, broken. http://n4g.com/news/1344641... I've seen plenty of footage and can come to the same conclusion myself without needing to play it.

[EdoubleD]

Tool

[HammadTheBeast]

K.

Every game has those.

Infamous SS > Ryse

And Crytek blows in gameplay department.

*Tips Hat*

[PSVita]

All this talk about Ryse and if titianfall will ever come to the PS4 and I just don't care about either of them. I'm tried of COD games and Ryse doesn't interest me at all. My first games will probably be the division and Infamous. I hope they do a bundle.

http://n4g.com/news/1344641...

[Nekroo91]

oh truth...the dual gpu dreammer

An Xbox One engineer on Reddit has said the PS4 is more powerful and Microsoft themselves have said since the console was announced that they didn't target the highest end graphics. We've also yet to see any multiplatform games running on XBO. There is a power difference

[Wh15ky]

So you just copied and pasted then?

So flunkinmonkey's right, you don't know what you're talking about.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

I like how every soldier skirmish, is copy and pasted 50 time.s

http://images.gizmag.com/in... -look below, 2 different fights, repeated

I guess we'll find out when those Metacritic scores hit.\
My money is on Ps4 launch titles, I bet they will have an average higher score.

@Nekeroo -exactly, When announced they say they didn't target the highest end graphics, because "the cloud" would make up for it.

[AceBlazer13]

Do you know what half of that even means?

[Tontus]

God of War IV will make Ryse look last gen.

Not that Ryse looks bad, it looks nice but not amazing no matter how many effects Crytek list that are in the game. It's a fact that the PS4 is more powerful than the X1, more so than the PS3 was to the 360, so expect Sony's exclusives to look noticeably better.

[Gamer666]

Ryse 2 will make the next God of War look like a last gen game.

Not that God of War will look bad, it will probably be nice not amazing no matter how many effects Sony Santa Monica list that are in the game. It's a fact that the X1 has a better overall architecture than the PS4, more so than 360's overall architecture was better than PS3, so expect Microsoft's exclusives to be noticeably better.

[UnHoly_One]

Nicely said, gamer.

[joefrost00]

Please stop comparing ryse with God of War
They are not even close to the same type of game
Gow is gow and ryse is more grounded in reality
Its more like shadow of rome than gow

Let me breakdown the logic behind the comparison between gow amd ryse
It started with sony fans who saw and basically went on the defensive from day one
The quick time events trying to be like gow and the game play nothing like gow
But sony fans love of quicktime games like heavy rain I thought they would love it but I understand people's complaint about it cause its based in reality days where you have insane combos
Its like the criticism bushido blade got when it came out
It was based in reality so people called it boring
Wheather ryse is going to be a good game I dont know but its funny how I hear ps4 fans bashing MS games way more than talking about there games
And you know when they do talk about there games its only two they willing to talk about KZ and infamous
Which is funny cause they havent even let anyone play infamous yet
Like myself im getting a ps4 at launch but I can't think of one game I have to have for it but im sure there coming

[joefrost00]

Dude let it go sony fans are only going to see what they want
Despite ryse being the only console game at the e3 and gamescon that got nominated for best overall graphics not just console but to them KZ looks better than ryse and driveclub looks better than forza
After seeing all of them in person the most technically impressive game I saw was DR3 with the open world qnd all the zombies with the real time damage and detailed insides also not one zombie looked the same I major in programming so seeing things like this gets me excited

[Scatpants]

Ryse doesn't look bad graphics wise, it just looks like a shitty game. I am buying both systems and the only way I would get Ryse is if it was 20 bucks on Ebay or something, and I will probably avoid it altogether after the 6.5 out of 10 review it's going to get comes out.

[joefrost00]

Ryse looks like it could be more like a movie
I dont understand from what I played of tlou and heavy rain
Dont that much go on in the gameplqy department but people somehow love it cause it plays out like a movie

[tcozzens]

First off @ joe, it needed to be said, and thank you. One of my coworkers (well manager) went to the gamestop conference and he was a firm believer in the ps4. He used to be xbox360 all the way, then after this switched to the ps4. Now after the conference he is back to xbox one. He said Titan Fall was the best game there out of all of them and that no ps4 game came close to it. It's not the raw power of the console. Raw power in PC's means everything, but the coding and software in consoles is what makes the difference (and microsoft is a software company... See where that is going?)

Again @ joe, everyone loves Uncharted because seems to be like a movie, so a lot of people should like it according to your logic.

[Allsystemgamer]

You know BF4 has all of that too right? Lol

[Angeljuice]

@thetruth
Have you seen it running on X1 hardware?
It really doesn't look incredible at all (no matter what Crytek have put in it)

[DigitalRaptor]

Ryse runs at a variable 30fps, and the variable parts are sub-30.

It's environments looks bland and awful, and you can tell that they are using trickery such as repeating NPCs shown here: http://images.gizmag.com/in...

Then you look at the close ups to see it's not all it's cracked up to be: http://news.xbox.com/~/medi...

inFamous: Second Son is an open-world (!!!!) game that has masterfully fluid animations, gorgeously detailed environments, dynamic weather, and destructible environments, and runs at a variable 30/60 fps, but mostly 60 fps. It outclasses Ryse in raw visuals, performance, gameplay - EVERY category.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
http://i.minus.com/ibt6JJeI...
http://i.minus.com/ibuFuF5n...
http://i.minus.com/iwcRJFid...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/...
http://farm4.staticflickr.c...
http://fc01.deviantart.net/...
http://farm4.staticflickr.c...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/...
http://i.minus.com/itcRpqL6...
http://images.gamersyde.com...
http://i.minus.com/i1soaKir...

Then there's Deep Down's panta rhei engine:
http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-c...
http://www.lightninggamingn...
http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-c...

How do these delusional folk think the situation is going to be when Naughty Dog and Santa Monica come out to play?

Something like this: http://farm6.staticflickr.c...
http://farm3.staticflickr.c...

[kickerz]

Man you do alot of research just to bag out anything Xbox . Don't you have better things to do.

[tcozzens]

@digital

Have you actually played both? I love the judging on this site and no one has realistically played anything to a real extent.

[gamer2013]

Wow 64 disagrees you must be a liar thetruthx1.

[5eriously]

You are done, cannot troll here any more. But let me tell you one thing. That list are standard for the crytek engine, the same was used for PS3 development and will also be for the PS4 so please do not w@nk on it.

The only idiotic tolling came from the likes of you!

[N4Flamers]

Lets not forget about that smooth almost 30 fps it has

[Ritsujun]

thetruthx1 Beeburr's trying too hard.

[Foxgod]

From the day i saw the specs of the Xb1, and compared to them that of the ps4, i was pretty confident already that the X1 will outperform the ps4, because its more balanced.

[Clarence]

Yeah Ok

[Kayant]

And what tells you that the PS4 is not equally/more balanced....

[EdoubleD]

And you and your buddies call out Sony fanboys?
Do you read your own comments?

[HammadTheBeast]

Actually, PS4 is more "balanced" because of the unified GPU/CPU.

[AllroundGamer]

yeah the heavy power brick definitely brings more balance...

[N4Flamers]

The power brick will keep your entertainment center from tipping over. Balance.

[DoesUs]

@Fox. XB1 Balanced? Yes.....Hoops? Yes.........PS4 Balanced? Yes. Hoops? No.

Really...i'm going to laugh in all you MS supporters in November. I told you all how it was going to be, and yet you still cling on for dear life.

[Software_Lover]

How is it going to be?

[Foxgod]

Il tell you how it will be, deja vu.
Reviews will come rolling in, in favor of X1 exclusives, just like almost all the 360 exclusives scored higher.

Tears will drop.

[torchic]

HOW PATHETIC is the Xbox camp on this site? WTF you guys make me want to cry please stahp ittttt

[kickerz]

I would say about as half as pathetic as the Sony fanboys. Most of us are here to talk about awesome games we get to play this November. Hell I post something positive about Xbox one on this site and I get drilled by you fanboys. So yes you lot are alot worse then us.

[torchic]

@kickerz

you clearly haven't read (or chose not to read, or much worse, agree with) the posts on this page... scroll up buddy it doesn't make for good reading.

it's a shame because I'm pretty sure there are loads of decent, Microsoft fans across the internet who don't drag the name of Xbox through the mud but for whatever reason here on n4g we're stuck with the most delusional Xbox camp.

I want to quit n4g for a while because guys like truthx1, Foxgod, Jokes, elite24gamer, etc. really take away any appeal the Xbox One had left.

and don't include me in this fanboy war, I give credit where it's due and criticise accordingly.

[saint_seya]

I said this like 5 times alredy, 70% of the N4G users that defend MS and make delusional claims joined N4G after february 20 #after ps4 was announced# and more than half after E3..

Get your own conclusions... its not that hard, or its 2-3 delusional x-box fanboys creating large numbers of fake accounts, or are guys payed by MS for propaganda..

Btw theres some trolls in the plastation side, but most of them are old trolls, the new ones are 99% MS ones..

On topic: its only two months to know the truth about graphics, system, controllers and the ui-apps on each system, not worth to fight now. We will also know the real specs in each console.

[kickerz]

Sorry I am one of those "decent" Xbox fans. You shouldn't call all us pathetic, there's just a few odd bods. Just like in the Sony camp. Have a good day

[ZHZ90]

You guys will never stop spreading false information.

[ziggurcat]

except it's not.

[MAULxx]

Lol.

[DoesUs]

That's terrific Fox, just terrific!

[Software_Lover]

Meh. I never really worried about *power* this gen, and I will not next gen. Show me a good game, I'll show you my money.

It didn't bother me that Alan Wake wasn't 720p but God of War was. It didn't bother me that The Last of Us was not 1080p but Top Spin was.

[Gamer666]

First rationale comment I have read in this thread...

[moparful99]

Well said

[pyramidshead]

inb4: Elite24gamer & frigy

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Well, I can't wait neither. The truth speaks for it's self.

[1nsomniac]

Bullshit!! again Mr Nelson, both systems are well in production now so there is absolutely 0% reason to keep any secrets about the hardware what we know is what it is.

[gamertk421]

AMD NDA

I'm NOT saying the rumors are true, but if they did turn out correct, then an NDA would be a very viable reason for the lack of earlier reveal. Just throwing that out there.

[Angeljuice]

Not really, losing pre-order sales would cost Microsoft a lot more than breaking any NDA. If it were more powerful, Microsoft would have said so.
Breaking an NDA usually has a financial consequence, they don't send out a team of terminator assassins, Microsoft would just pay the fine.

[1nsomniac]

There is no AMD NDA the product has already been disclosed within the hardware specs therefore it's under Microsoft authority now.

AMD cant disclose information on Microsoft because Microsoft bought the rights to use it then customise it (so Microsoft is paying for the service of using the product, not the other way around).

The same as buying say an iPad, Apple can tell you what chip it runs on but the chip manufacturer cant disclose the iPad specs.

[ziggurcat]

link to this so-called NDA? because there's no way MS would be barred form talking about their own hardware specs by a GPU company...

[Irishguy95]

MS would ruin there relationship with Amd if they revealed something before an Nda

[Angeljuice]

Then give them a big wad of cash and all would be forgiven.

[Irishguy95]

After AMD sued them sure

[joeorc]

@Irishguy95

"AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

So who is the NDA for?

why would Microsoft be under an NDA for a chipset that Amd WOULD NOT TALK ABOUT ANYWAY?

AMD's stance is you have to ask Microsoft!

Unless Microsoft has an NDA on themselves! than if that is the case why wait? it makes no sense what's so ever to hold on to this info about such hardware chip being inside the xboxone, unless you want to build up your 1st party offering's to surpass the 3rd party software offering's off the bat to get a leg up on them.

[Irishguy95]

joeorc, do you know what an NDA is? AMD don't want ANYONE talking about it until AMD is ready to talk about it. You should know what an NDA is from gaming. When a certain date is decided before games revealed or reviews are released etc. Microsoft are not legally allowed to talk about it because Amd are going to 'reveal' it at some point. This is where the entire concept of 'leaks' come from.

A non disclosure agreement. Google it.

I personally don't believe the X1 will have this second GPU but there is certainly a valid reason to hide it. If it did exist AMD would be acting like it didn't exist until they wanted to reveal it.

[True_Samurai]

Man if the x1 is revealed to be more powerful the internet will explode ATOMIC BOMB EXPLODE

[RytGear]

Phew, I guess we are all completely safe then.

[Stryfeno2]

I think the internet will turn into outernet.

[duli14]

Or Skynet :p

[LackTrue4K]

So, all the Internet rumors will become a "180" you say?

[BallsEye]

Naa sony fans would find something else to make xbox one not worth the purchase...probably that XO is racist machine cause it's more black than ps3. Who knows.

[BallsEye]

@xJumpManx

Exactly. That's why I'll be getting a ps4 somewhere next year if games that interest me will be released by then. Most of sony community especially on this site is just so awful and Nazi like that I'm probably gonna stay offline on ps4. This year XO for me and my wife. We're both gamers and love to play no matter what system the game is on (we even play PC games sometimes together!Something unreal for most of you).

[mhunterjr]

I'm just saying, the PS3, was more powerful than the 360, but it took six years before it started getting better looking games.

There's truth to the idea that balance is key when it comes to hardware design. The differences between the two consoles will create different gaming experiences, which is good for gaming. But from a shear graphical standpoint, i don't see anything that would suggest PlayStation games will look significantly better than xbox games. Certainly not at launch, where xbox titles are actually superior.

[HaMM4R]

I don't think PS4 will have the same issue as xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 is built on an x86. The reason it took so long for games to start looking good was because the cell processor was so complicated it took a while to tap into the full potential. PS4 will not have that problem. Although I do agree that games will look very similar graphically (for the first 5-6 years anyway then the PS4's extra power might just push it over the xbox)

[mhunterjr]

I'm don't think developers will have as much trouble tapping into the ps4's power. But it's very telling that the PS4's launch lineup is graphically inferior to the 360's

But that's not even my main point. Is the difference in graphical quality going to have a noticeable impact on the gaming experience? I don't think so... It's the other aspects of each console's abilities that will make the difference.

[HaMM4R]

Gameplay always comes first. If you mean PS4's lineup compared to the ones I would disagree. Killzone looks beautiful as does infamous. Ryse looks beautiful as does forza (for the most part.) I think they are both fairly even as far a graphics are concerned. If anything PS4 looks better (IMO) but in the end it doesn't come down to graphics it comes down to gameplay.

[mhunterjr]

I'm talking about the day one launch line up. Killzone looks good, but Ryze looks better. Forza, Dead Rising 3 are no douche slouches either, especially considering the number of characters on screen in DR3.

Infamous is looking great too, but let's compare it to what Microsoft has coming out around that time.

If we're talking about gameplay reigning supreme, from what I see MS has the better exclusives on day one in that regard as well. Killzone isn't exactly known for its awesome gameplay, but I look forward to giving this one a shot.

I'm not saying ps4 won't surpass in 2014, but why not wait until a then if that's when the first experiences that really showcase the PS4's strengths will come. You might get an even better deal...

[corvusmd]

Me too Larry!! Then the Sony fanboys would have to try to find something else to talk about...my bet is they would have to go back to "remember when XB1 had to always online" "remember when NSA was spying on you through kinect" or "remember when we said XB1 had to change before we would buy one, then they did, and now we can't trust them because of the 180's" I KNOW it's just a rumor, and I'm not holding my breath for it to happen, but it would be so so so awesome if they announced the dGPU, just cause it would make every Sony fanboy cry. The XB1 doesn't need it, but Sony fanboys are stuck on paper specs...if they would just look at actual games, they'd see that PS4 does not look better at all.

[RytGear]

InFamous Second son says Hello..

[CYCLEGAMER]

Graphically speaking, Infamous doesn't look like it couldn't be accomplished on the XB1

[u got owned]

@ MELMAN

Really? Would you care to elaborate on that?

[Clarence]

Stop it! Larry has been lying all summer. Don't you want to come to future BS didn't pan out for him. BF4 on PC instead of actual Xbox 1s.

This is the guy that said the DRM policies and 24hr check in can not be turned of with a patch. Its obvious he has no idea how the Xbox 1 works

Yeah he has a track record for being truthful.

[bsquwhere]

Lol. Ah, to be young and gullible. I think its funny that the company that backtracked and lied about the inability to flip switches, can't wait for truth.

[Brix90]

Yes your right the dGPU with power of the cloud will be the secret to I obtainable power that will destroy civilization as we know it lol

It was hard to keep a straight face writing this. I'm sorry I like to play the neutral party from time to time but the dGPU is bull**** there's no secret to it.

[Xsilver]

that's coming from the guy who said you couldn't turn off DRM believe all you want xbots you guys tend to believe anything Microsoft says, i bet you believed them when they said they have always had a positive relationship with indies devs even tho the devs said otherwise.

[L0YD]

It would be another 180, and saying some Nintendo fanboyish shit like: "its all about gameplay" when they can't have both graphics and gameplay.

[MightyNo9]

Larry is such a prick like all Xbox reps.

[kickerz]

Pretty harsh for a guy you've never met

[LogicStomper]

Explain how this article makes you think of him as a "prick". Also, why are all the other Xbox reps 'prick's?

[captain_slow82]

one min its 50% next some clock changes on xbo made it 40% now there down playing 40% to 30% LOL

[AngelicIceDiamond]

This power thing is being talked about more than the reveals of PS360 at the time it seems.

The difference will be in the exclusives, and minimal difference in multiples like I said before.

I'm not sure what would lead people to believe that multiplats for whatever reason will look night and day between the two machines.

Exclusives is a different conversation. Because in house devs are taking advantage of the consoles more personal specs. Like the Cell processor in PS3 and online infrastructure on Xbox.

[n4rc]

i find people like to twist things around..

Whenever this "we created directX" comment gets used, openGL somehow makes that statement untrue?

Unless Sony created openGL (they didnt), then that point means nothing...

when it comes to software.. MS is one of the kings.. the reason Windows has no real competition is because nobody can match it...

now... lets be honest here.. the dual GPU rumor is like 5% likely at this point.. but there is more to the end result then a single component... say the GPU sony is using is 30% more powerful, why cant people understand that difference can be made up elsewhere in the system?

the reason people keep using the car analogy is because its perfect... a 500hp car can be outperformed by a 400hp car. why a 8psi turbo car can lose to a 4psi blown car..

[Scatpants]

What is the mystery part of the system where GPU performance is made up?

[n4rc]

If you have to ask me that, then I'm not going to bother..

Try Google sometime and ya know, actually do some research.

Same goes for the incoherent nonsense... If I can barely understand you, I'm not explaining my point again

[windblowsagain]

Stop smoking the green stuff.

Windows has no competition because of MONEY. MONOPOLY.

Even Gabe Newell stated GL is faster then DX.

As for people waffling on about RYSE.

It uses Cryengine 3

It's a multiplat game that could run on any system.

[n4rc]

i'll go line by line..

no...lol

they do have competition.. they just cant do what windows does... no driver support etc.. android is coming up etc.. not having the money to build what they have isnt the fault of MS

so what? MS created DX, sony didnt make openGL.. so how exactly is that statement untrue?

i never mentioned ryse.. gameplay is meh, but looks fantasitc

yeah.. and? so do alot of next gen games.

again... and? multiplats are far more impressive then exclusives imo.. and they release on multiple platforms rather then focusing on one

[AllroundGamer]

always when i see this douche - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[cyberninja]

At first they said that specs don't matter, now they won't shut up about it. Insecure much Larry boy?

[EXVirtual]

I know. The self confliction is hilarious.
I think he's spewing damage control BS. Since the reveal their PR ha been based off damage control.

[joeorc]

@n4rc

"i find people like to twist things around.. "

yupper's they sure do

NOTICE THE PLAYING ON WHO SAID WHAT!

lmao

first look at this:

Penello claims

“there’s no way” they’re giving up a 30% graphical advantage to the PS4, and even adds that it’s been “the same with every generation” with Sony “claiming more power” but in the end, their “games looked the same or better.”

Now look at this head line:

Major Nelson: “Looking forward” as the “truth comes out” regarding PS4 being 30% superior vs Xbox One

and right at the start of this :

Following Albert Penello’s recent comments regarding Sony exaggerating about the apparent 30% power advantage that the PS4 has over the Xbox One, Microsoft’s Larry “Major Nelson” Hyrb has added his thoughts to the mix.

http://pixelenemy.com/major...

notice this line:

"regarding Sony exaggerating about the apparent 30% power advantage that the PS4 has over the Xbox One"

So somehow some way Sony is the one who stated 30% more power over the xboxone? no that was Microsoft who stated 30%, all Mark Cerny stated was that the PS4 is the most powerful game console built to date.

So by Microsoft's own words, that They are not giving up 30% power advantage to the PS4. AND IT WAS NOW BEING QUOTED AS SONY is SAYING ITS SO; THAN IT MUST BE THAT SONY HAS 30% MORE POWER. but Major Nelson would like to see if its true or now. Hey Remember people Microsoft was Quoed to saying 30% more and its being Quoted in saying Sony states as such..

LMAO.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Lol does this douche really think that Sony is the one who said 30% difference. The only thing Sony has said is that the have the most powerful console ever. Which is true. Sony doesn't need to get defensive over the specs like Microsoft.

[MasterCornholio]

Wow I never noticed that. I know that Sony made the claim that their console was more powerful than Microsoft's Xbox One but they never stated the amount. The Microsoft makes the claim that the PS4 being 30% more powerful isn't true. How did they know about the 30% if Sony never said it?

The plot thickens.

If there is one things that's evident is that one of the consoles is more powerful than the other. Should be fun to see the comparisons between multi plats and exclusives.

Motorola RAZR i

[creatchee]

I'm sure that Microsoft saw the 30 or 40% figure from any one of the millions of posts on various internet forums. If you don't think they read N4G, GAF, B3D, and others, you should.

[EXVirtual]

Here we go. Listen, the volcano GPU structure isn't happening. I don't know what Nelson mean's but a part of me thinks it's just damage control. If there is something to it, it's probably another upgrade. I don't think it'll outperform the PS4. No chance. It'd be more than $500.

The PS4 will probably start showing the difference in 2-3 years. And there is another truth we don't know about...how many GB of RAM the PS4 uses.

[WeaseL]

I don't think they would of kept quiet for this long if the XB1 was more powerful than the PS4.
If the XB1 was better they would have constantly stated the fact every time that they had a chance too.

[GraveLord]

Tired of his PR bullshit. SIGH.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

To be fair, I bet you were tired of this PR here. http://n4g.com/news/1336933...

[joeorc]

@AngelicIceDiamond

"To be fair, I bet you were tired of this PR here"

and yet both Nintendo and Microsoft are not in dispute of such a claim! by Mark Cerny; why is that?

maybe because such a guy like Mark Cerny knows a thing or two about freaking hardware design's

example:

The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences (AIAS) has announced that Mark Cerny will be the 13th inductee into the Academy's Hall of Fame, which is bestowed upon individuals who've contributed a significant advancement within the industry while demonstrating proven success and leadership.

http://www.interactive.org/...

and maybe because he is one of 17 people in the whole d@mn world that has this award!

[GraveLord]

Sony has the specs to back up its claims.

Microsoft is the one being defensive here, they're the one who have to provide the proof.

Microsoft hasn't stated the Xbox One is the most powerful console, at least not in an official way. They have never said "Our console outperforms the PS4" in any way.

So Sony's statements have gone unapposed because they're true. I haven't heard anyone say otherwise.

[tcozzens]

LOL at the people who think console gaming is about raw power specs...

[Brix90]

Same Major Nelson that said DRM can't be switched off. I'm sorry but Major Nelson is nothing but a cheerleader that doesn't know shit. On another note there are a couple things about the Ps4's specs that haven't been confirmed officially so I wouldn't talk till those announcements are made.

[Funantic1]

I know the X1 has some secrets about it that we don't understand. It's amazing how people try to act like they're professional tech engineers and programmers. They act like the can determine the architecture and benchwork clockspeeds or performance by seeing specs on paper. It's obvious that MS is touting a little bit more lately and can barely keep their mouths shut about what the X1 can really do. They are ready to blab it all out but it's still not the right time to reveal the "truth" about the X1 cause it would lead Sony to come up with a counter plan like maybe give something away for free. It just doesn't make sense that a $250 billion company would let a $20 billion outperformed it by 30%-50%. Come on MS spent $700 million on dedicated servers, $100 million on the controller development, and $1 Billion for exclusive games just for the first year. You telling me that they're gonna come up short with the X1 performance? I'm hoping that the leaked info/rumors of the X1 having an additional 2GB GDDR5 are true. But I don't know what tricks they have up their sleeves.

[RiPPn]

Another Xbox fanboy hoping for dat "secret sauce."

[richie007bond]

We will see soon enough and if its true ill be on your case lol, you will not live it down

[MRMagoo123]

@richie

And when it comes out as well all know already that the ps4 is the better hardware you are gonna look like a giant d!ck head and we will all poke you and laugh.

[DoesUs]

LMAO! Another to add to the dumb list. Cling on son, cling on!

[Scatpants]

You're right "secrets" are more reliable than system specs. I am getting both systems so I can play all exclusives, but it's pretty obvious that the PS4 is the more powerful of the 2.

[t3rrorc3ll]

Wth don't people understand about the gaming divisions of these companies not having control of all the money available to these companies? Xbox head of gaming doesn't go to the CEO and say we need money and the CEO magically say 'use all $250bn as you wish'

[DJ]

Nope, he lies a lot. PS4 has better specs

[AceBlazer13]

Went an entire day+ without mentioning Xbox then this guy comes.

The only truth going to be shown is how much the Xbox one sucks compared to the ps4'

[McScroggz]

I don't know why people seem to think graphics are the only thing that comes from being more powerful. Likely there won't be a huge different in graphics in games, but rather a lot of smaller things will be better. Detailed lighting affects, smoother animations, better framerates, etc will be better on the PS4 along with a small to medium difference in graphics.

I will say to those people who believe games are made for the lowest common denominator, even if that is true (don't know if it will be) the PS4 would still look and run a little bit better. That's worse case scenario. Imagine the optimistic outlook.

[RiPPn]

If only this douchebag had made this statement with a teddy bear hat on, it would have been far more believable.

[roboteye]

When did Sony state the PS4 is 30% more powerful than the Xbone?
As far as I know Cerny said that the PS4 is the most powerful console and that was about it.
Is Nelson lying again or is he on a FUD campaign?

[joeorc]

@roboteye

"When did Sony state the PS4 is 30% more powerful than the Xbone? "

Sony did not, that is the point, Microsoft did! they are the one's who stated they will not give up a 30% graphical advantage to Sony.

LMAO all Mark Cerny stated was that Sony had built the most powerful game console to date, and right now both Nintendo and Microsoft are not even disputing that claim from Mark!

what is Ironic is that Microsoft even gave out a % number. What that says to me they know themselves that the PS4 is more robust hardware wise, but that there is talk of the PS4 having a 50% advantage on the internet, and that was before Microsoft up clocked the chipset in the xboxone.

So now he states they will not be giving up 30%, the funny thing is we still do not know what the clock rate on the PS4 will end up to being, and the rumor im hearing is 1.8 GHz to near 2.1 Ghz peak max clock rate for step down down clock to remain cooler.

Most likely they may even keep the clock rate even @ 1.8 Ghz or less just to run even cooler temp sounds about right for the PS4's SOC.

so take that and make what you will of it.

[Grown Folks Talk]

Microsoft didn't either. He was using the same general # you guys have been throwing around for months. Don't sit here & act like you haven't heard 30-40% more powerful well before this interview the article references.

[MadSientist89]

the truth shall set you free

[wenaldy]

Makes me want to play Red Dead Redemption...again.

[DevilishSix]

I have more trust in more powerful hardware coming from....I don't know....an actual hardware manufacturer (Sony).

and that's the bottomline.....

[joefrost00]

Actually this myth of sony being a good hardware company is some what misleading
Fact: there hardware is what got them into financial trouble
The recall on all them sony laptops cause of the battery
2. This is the first console the sony has made that is easy to program for
3. Sony tv sales has really took a downfall
4. Cell will be the future of gaming enough said
Just look all of this up sony won out with bluray but not before failing with betamax

And the number one stupid thing out of comment
As these systems get closer to PCs you telling as much as MS has been working with PCs you really believe sony would make a better PC system than MS
Yep MS had the RROD but sony had their hardware issues with their laptop literally melting and cost them hundreds of millions

I dont know which system will have the better hardware everything is not known about neither one but considering we are talking PCs and considering that 360 had an ram setup that was ahead of its time even PCs didnt have it
My moneys on MS

[sAVAge_bEaST]

I never saw a company use a human mascot, such as Larry Hyrb, -used more to push a product than Mario.

Mario is a lot more Trustworthy and kid friendly than Larry Hyrb. btw

[joefrost00]

Really
Kevin butler ring a bell
Even had sony people calling him a traitor for having a wii in a tire commercial
You sony fans are sad but loved his commercials

[Magicite]

PS4 is 50% more powerful

[thexmanone]

Link

[quenomamen]

http://www.extremetech.com/...

. Both the Xbone and PS4 have an eight-core AMD Jaguar-based CPU at 1.6GHz, with 8GB of RAM. While the Xbox One’s GPU is comparable to the Radeon HD 7790, the PS4 GPU is more like the HD 7870 — which has 50% more compute units, and thus 50% higher peak teraflops.

[jmac53]

Fact-the PS4 has 18 CU's compared to the Xbox One's 12. That is quite the percentage difference.

[thexmanone]

@quenomamen

That's old info. Specs has changed on the xbox

[Magicite]

nothing has changed, they just werent revealing them

[thexmanone]

@jmac53 Its not 50%

[adventureghost124]

18 PS4/12 X1= 1.5...
18-12 = 6....
6 is the amount of extra units the PS4 has
6 Extra PS4/12 X1= .5 50% more CU's
Yes it is

[The_Truth_24_7]

The truth is, it's actually 50% more powerful.

[Pancit_Canton]

8GB GDDR5 is more powerful than than Xbone console itself.

[thexmanone]

Link please

[yellowgerbil]

this guy really needs to go hide in a cave and never speak again. He and the other heads of xbox have done more damage to their image than anyone else ever could.

[Miacosa]

The 30% power comment was made when the specs for each machine was announced. If Microsoft keeps over-clocking their CPU and or GPU of course the numbers are going to change. This does not make SONY dishonest the really question is will all the over-clocking hurt the lifespan of the XBOX One like the RED RING did the initial Xbox360 just because Microsoft wants to close the gap of the initial substandard announcement in specs.

[joeorc]

@miacosa

"really question is will all the over-clocking hurt the lifespan of the XBOX One like the RED RING did the initial Xbox360 just because Microsoft wants to close the gap of the initial substandard announcement in specs."

Any time you increase the clock rate of any chip the time to burnout reduces chip life time over the the shelf and use lifetime of the chip faster increase in decay. just like if you smoke it will over time damage your lungs, this will be the same only it will degrade faster than it would at a lower clock rating.

there is clock frequency tolerances that many people should be aware of. Using increased cooling can offset that but it takes so much more over than what it would take by keeping the clock rate reduced to save its clock life that the costs in doing so for say a reduced of only 2 to 3 years more would not really matter that much.

the increase clock for the xboxone is not going to net anywhere near that problem, or it should'nt, but anything can happen. you can never tell, Microsoft thinks that the 150 Mhz increase in clock would not reduce it by that much, and really that's not much of an increase in this day and age with silica production we have now esp. when the chips are @ 28nm, yes they can get hot but they are also set to run cooler even at higher temps.

[boikanyo]

sony is nt so stupid to lie 2us abt ps4 specs,microsoft especially major nelson must just accept ps4 is more powerful than xbox1...aftr da relase of both consoles they must run da test...

[yewles1]

lol, and it gets even MORE delicious in this silly drama.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpos...

[FlunkinMonkey]

o dear..

[mkis007]

You guys have my interest piqued with all these quotes from Panello. If they really do have something there and it really is still allowing them to break even; I can't wait to see what Sony has left to unveil as they have been comparatively tight lipped about the specifics their specs.

[ElementX]

Targeting highest end graphics would mean a higher price

[DoesUs]

November can't come soon enough! ...Its going to be quite a sh!tstorm when everything pans out in the PS4's favour.

[richie007bond]

I think it will be the X1 wiping the smiles from the sony crews faces!!!!!!!!!!

[DoesUs]

Ah, another user i'll be coming back to 8)

[falviousuk]

Is there something hiding in all that silicon that MS have yet to announce ?

Apaprently Sept 29 is a date to keep an eye on

[Aleithian]

Or, you know, you and your company could stop being arrogant assholes and simply tell us all what your console does.

[Izzy408]

If it's true that the X1 uses a next-gen AMD GPU, then i got three words for you: (1)Non (2)Disclosure (3)Agreement.

[Angerfist]

Man, all i can say is that it will all play out like this Gen, Multiplats from decent Devs will almost alike, and only if its because they dont want any shit from Fanboys. Then we will have the Uncharteds and Gears of Next Gen which show a bit more whats possible.
If you are sadly only a COD / FIFA Guy it will boil down way more to the Controller Preference and the Network you have your Friends.

Thats why i think there wont be such a huge Swap of Players from the Systems, i guess on Xbox more people just hold out for a cheaper Machine, especially since the graphical leap isnt this big

Besides MGS V i wassnt really mindblown, Last of Us or Uncharted Games, Batman, Gears 3, Metro Last Light, all exceptionally looking Games and i could probably put 50 other Games here.

[JediDiah]

Major Nelson is a Major disappointment! That said I will get a Xbox1 for the games NOT this clown! Human mascot? Hire Jade Raymond! "Xbox.....reboot!".

[cyclindk]

You all know we will see what is and isn't true in the next few years. Consoles releasing back to back this round, we will definitely see.

And believe me, as a PS4 adopter in this case, I would be ONLY thrilled if the Cloud actually manifests to something, but, time will tell.

[thinktwice]

as much as I am a fan of Sony I'm going to call this right now that all systems are going to be graphically pretty damn close which sucks for me because I really wanted the ps4 to be a lot more powerful I know there's talk about 20 to 30 percent more powerful than the Xbox one! but like that's just on paper I would rather wait until both systems are released and there are comparison videos showing so I'm just going to say that probably there going to be realllllly close graphically maybe in like 2 years down the road there will be differences the only things to really look for our excluesives

[MotoDot]

If there is one guy that i don't trust in this world , it's Major Nelson -_-

[Jamaicangmr]

What's all this talk, MS upclocked their GPU n CPU and now they get all cocky. Unless the overclocking actually makes it more powerful they should tone it down alot. the X1 is about 10% more powerful but still less powerful i mean come on people.

That's like Brian's "I almost had you" statement after being beat by Dom in the 1st Fast and Furious, to which Dom's response was. "An inch or an mile doesn't matter, loosing is loosing." I know he said more but you got the point.

[arbitor365]

microsoft? truth? those two dont really fit together

[Izzy408]

....according to sony fanboys

[windblowsagain]

Yeah i know.

360 RROD for the first year was 50% replacements.

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

"Quantifying graphical performance is notoriously squishy. That being said, Microsoft touts the Xbox One as delivering 8 times the graphic performance of the 360."

Microsoft's quote in may. EIGHT times more powerful than the 360. PS4 has been said to be 10x more powerful than the PS3.

this DGPU/2GB GDDR5 crap is just hilarious.

[_FantasmA_]

This guy needs to go work for EA or some other douchebag company because he'd fit right in. Does ever keep his mouth shut? Gotdamn he's annoying.

[ElementX]

The article says "Following Albert Penello’s recent comments regarding Sony exaggerating about the apparent 30%" but that's the writer speaking, not Hyrb or Albert. I read both quotes and nowhere does it specify Sony said 30% They probably saw that number in a forum someplace where people compared raw processing power.

[Metfanant]

all he is saying is that he (and MS) feel that the Xbone's architecture will allow it to perform better than its specs suggest...

the PS4 has more power on paper...it has more brute force power...MS's execs have basically admitted this...they are banking on their co-processors taking load off of the CPU and GPU to allow for them to perform better...

that is the "truth" major nelson speaks of...

there is no second GPU...there is no magic voodoo...

[Belking]

Only MS and AMD knows of there is a second GPU. It's not impossible. It could have one but most likely won't. Not at the price it is now. people thinking ps4 is 30% more powerful don't know anything about how these consoles operate. One thing I will say is xb1 is fully customized. Every piece inside of it is and if anyone thinks that doesn't matter need their heads checked.

[Metfanant]

the PS4 IS that much more powerful on pure power...when you compare the GPU's in each console its actually quite simple...

What the Xbone has is a series of co-processors that are designed to take the load off of the GPU/CPU...so things that will take up CPU/GPU resources on the PS4 wont on the Xbone...by doing this they are attempting to level the playing field somewhat...

i don't understand this Xbone is "customized" while somehow the PS4 is not...

I challenge anyone here to find me a part number so i can order the PS4 CPU, GPU, or APU as a whole off the shelf...

its SIMILAR to how the PS3 used its CPU (The Cell) to perform a lot of GPU tasks to help make up for the fact that the 360 had a stronger GPU...

MS's strategy is to go with co-processors....Sony is banking on GPGPU and built a stronger GPU to offload some of the CPU's work...

[quenomamen]

And what the PS4 is built from Radio Shack DIY kits ? Both consoles are full custom jobs from AMD, just so happens PS4 has some extra bits in theirs. Thats like the second time i heard some Xboy say the PS4 is built from off the shelf parts, prove it.

[MasterCornholio]

"they are banking on their co-processors taking load off of the CPU and GPU to allow for them to perform better"

Doesn't the PS4 have chips in it that process audio, manage downloads, encode and decode video?

"“There’s dedicated audio hardware,” he revealed. “The principal thing that it does is that it compresses and decompresses audio streams, various formats. So some of that is for the games – you’ll have many, many audio streams in MP3 or another format and the hardware will take care of that for you."

http://www.gamechup.com/mar...

"Sony's PlayStation 4 will allow users to play games as those very games are downloading. The PS4 will have a secondary custom chip for background downloading and processing."

http://www.joystiq.com/2013...

" “In short, there’s a video coder chip inside PS4 that enables a variety of features. It enables live broadcast of your gameplay without putting any overhead on the CPU and the GPU combo, so it’s not dragging down the game performance in any way, shape or form."

http://www.officialplaystat...

[Metfanant]

yes it does, but its commonly believed that some of those co-processors are a little more powerful on the Xbone...especially the audio chip...Mark Cerny has said that it is there but we don't truly know much about what it does other than compress and decompress audio streams...

yes, thats important and takes load off the CPU...

But on the Xbone they say that the SHAPE audio processor has the processing power of an entire CPU core...

[Hakoom]

the ps3 proved to be 50% more powerfull than x360
iam sure the ps4 will be the same

just compare the last of us to any xbox game

and then compare last of us 2 or uncharted 4 to any x1 game( when the time comes that is 2014~2015..)
and remember this post i did

[ShwankyShpanky]

"I am very much looking forward to the next few months (and beyond) as the truth comes out."

As a PS4 preorderer, I'm looking forward to it too, Hyrbie. It's gonna be f'ing hilarious, and I don't think you'll be the one laughing.

[cell989]

The fact remains: PS4 has superior hardware, it's more powerful and it's only $400

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

Larry has a major problem every time he opens his mouth bullsh*t falls out...

This guy is a used car sales man.. and only morons would believe anything that his forked tongue has to offer...

Larry is a sack of meat and his words are not worth 2 cents...

[M1chl]

I wish games were already out, just because we actually can talk about them. I hate console wars, aggressive PR and other bullshit like that. I have pre-order on both machines and I don't care about spec, I've got PC. Bring me games already, I waited long enough!

[OneAboveAll]

The fastest car doesn't always win the race. Sometimes its the one than can handle better.

[quenomamen]

I"ll take the car with more horsepower and at a cheaper price.

[OneAboveAll]

You do that. I'll take the more expensive exotic that has more bells whistles and comfort.

[quenomamen]

Bet Maj Nelson is looking forward to the day he gets his credability back after this X1 debacle ( and it has been a debacle no matter how much you disagree ).

[BLAKHOODe]

Fact: I couldn't get approved to post on GAF either.

[feraldrgn]

*MS talks about how specs don't matter*
*MS proceeds to upclock specs*
*MS talks about how only games matter*
*MS talks about the "truth coming out" & contradict themselves further*

Slowclap.gif

[Soldierone]

Lol, wasn't he just saying it didn't matter a few days ago? This guy is so strange, make up your mind!

Maybe he thinks that sticker in the box makes up for the power?

[Pancit_Canton]

Major Flip-flop.

In the end, only the competent developers can ultilize and make use of that power. Sony has the 1st party developers to prove that and MS has none.

[unworthyBOZO]

I want to see real world results, not PR talk.

[Izzy408]

For the people claiming that the PS4 is 40-50% more powerful, how about you wait MS reveals the full specs of the X1 hardware. Because the truth is, NOBODY here really knows all of the information just yet.

[blackmanone]

If nobody knows, how come PR spokespeople can say it and you instantly seem to believe it?

[Izzy408]

What are you talking about? We still don't know everything about the X1 hardware.

[fooltheman]

@izzy And that counts for the ps4 too...

[GoodnessGreatness]

Sorry, developers have spoken that PS4 is twice faster.

[AO1JMM]

The comments in here are the reason why I choose games over specific consoles. Fanboys are a virus in gaming.

[iliimaster]

okay so first they said it didint matter about graphics then a month later they keep bringing this crap up.... they need to with it being 100$ more and less powerful they need any and everything im sure a new halo tease and or gears of war tease will come out but will be released in 2015

[KILLERAPP]

So the truth will come out, no third party version of a game has been shown running on the Xbox one, all multiplatform games have been shown running on PS4. I wonder why?

[BG11579]

Major 180 at is best!!!

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Well, good luck to him.

I will say that Sony has a proven track record for exaggerating the power of their consoles. Nothing currently out for either system really looks next gen.

[kewlkat007]

The Truth..

[jairusmonillas]

Unless Xbox One removed Kinect and increase its price to $599, that's the only time Xbox One will be more powerful, right now Xbox one without Kinect is $349.

[ceed911]

This is the most misleading title that I've ever seen dissected from a quote.

[SynestheticRoar]

Someone looking for hits.

[kingduqc]

I like how every gen console people are like: Lol our console is 30% faster lol

and then the others are like nah ours is 20% faster.

and in the grand scheme of things they are both 3 times slower then PCs.

[richie007bond]

Theres going to a lott of humble pie being served to Sony fanboys ,ill have my popcorn ready for the backlash and tears..

[Ctiboi2010]

@ Richie007bond

Okay man I don't know about humble pie seeing as how the PS4 is very capable graphically, but I will say that the 30%-50 claims I've seen on this site don't seem very believable. Also, I have also heard the argument that the graphical difference isn't noticeable because both consoles are new. My response to that would be the following: 1. The PS4 is closer to the architecture of PC's seeing as how there are less custom designed parts compared to the Xbox One as discussed before on multiple sites and 2. 30%-50% power difference is not something you could hide, it would be way too obvious even at the beginning of a consoles lifespan. My point is there would be a very noticeable difference even now.

To those of you that say Sony never claimed that type of advantage are completely right, but there's no denying that many people on here have stated this as a fact. Truthfully I don't believe any of us have a clear idea of the hardware infrastructure in either console so my advice would be to wait and see the differences in the games rather than specs on a website.

Truthfully I don't see one game, exclusive or not that shows a difference in graphical power anywhere close to 30%-50%, although Killzone and Infamous: SS look spectacular in their own right. The games on the Xbox One look great as well, why deny it? Developers put a lot of effort into these games, why can't we respect their work? And FYI, just because there are those that believe the PS4 is that much more powerful it doesn't make them Fanboys.

Judging by the released specs it is easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion, I would just say that the best proof is the games. Don't forget about gameplay as well. That's what really makes games memorable for us, not how many polygons a character in Ryse has or any game for that matter. There are Fanboys on either side that refuse to give credit to anything. This isn't a gang war people, just enjoy the games you like and let others do the same. Seriously.

[robotgargoyle]

Gamers (especially Sony fanboys) have been provided with enough ammunition by Microsoft's past mistakes.(rrod, less quality exclusives, imposed initial drm/always online)

If MS secretly had more powerful system, detractors pull up the laundry list of other reasons ($100 less/ forced Kinect, etc.). You just can't win with them, but it's not our job to.

Some will never consider buying an xb1, some will eventually buy one. A friend asked me one day "why don't you own a PS3,as much as you love videogames?". I replied "I'm happy with my 360."

My dad once asked my grandpa "Is that fried rabbit any good?". Grandpa said "it's good for them who like it."
Nuff said.

[hyperfire21]

So all you PC Players never play UFC or WWE or any fighting games at all?

[Bolts]

I have yet to see any demonstration of this PS4 superiority in any tangible way. If the PS4 is indeed more powerful then it would be able run games in resolutions or frame rates that the X1 could not. This is the most definitive proof since nothing else can tax a system resources as much. So show me BF4 in 1080p or GTFO. Being superior at 720p is pointless.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Pretty sure there are agreements both ways for third-parties that they have to keep their games equally as good on both consoles. In other words, it doesn't matter which is better because the products have to be the same.

[DOOMZ]

So am I Larry, so am I...

[strigoi814]

Hey Nelson! our milkshake is better than yours!!! No Deal with it!!!

[fr3d0]

anyone who takes this corporate schill seriously needs their head examined.

ps4 is more powerful and $100 cheaper, period.

that's the truth.

[Max-Zorin]

Y'all crazy. All this soap opera over power. if anything, PS1 and PS2 proved that the world does not revolve around power.

[Stuntz]

does anyone else think that he pretty much just said that the dGPU rumor is true?

[NextGen24Gamer]

That's what I got from it. Not one MS rep has shot down the rumor about the DGPU. It only took MS 2 days to shoot down the 12 gigs of ram rumor. This Dgpu rumor has been around for a while now. It's so obvious that the NDA is the reason MS can't comment or brag about having better specs at this moment. They always just point to the games and or say things like the MS custom architecture is the reason you can't just look at the raw numbers that have been provided up to this point!

[Stuntz]

You my friend have a brain lol. I dont know how anyone possibly got anything else from what he said. It is fairly clear that is he saying that something else is under the hood. Also people dont seem to take into terms the software. Sony has failed miserably with software. Microsoft on the other hand has generations and years of experience on making software compatible and as fast as it can be.

[Metfanant]

i hope for your sake nobody ever comes along and tries to sell you a bridge in NYC...

[maniac76]

Somethinh mentally wrong with that guy

[ooquis]

Hmmm didn't even know m$ knew what "truth" means.

[whowantasomewang]

Like the shades. Still hate the lying.

[extermin8or]

Look numbers don't lie.... PS4 is unless there's a sudden spec change (come on really? it's impossible-they are in production...) This gens hardware is based on well known arcitecture therefore the theoretical values should be much closer to what devs actually get out of the machines. The fact that Dice are-to my knowledge yet to show any xbox one footage speaks volumes. Also I heard it was due to run at a slightly lower reslolution than ps4? Which I think would suggest which is more powerful.

[jairusmonillas]

This Major No Show is all talk.

[deanobi]

Xbox One has a secret on the cards ;)

[NeloAnjelo]

A MS person talking about the truth?

[JuniorCE]

Developer says the PS4 is 50% more powerful!!!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

https://twitter.com/adrianc...

[H3ADWOUND81]

The jokes on you, no really it is.....

[evilhasitsway]

it really doesn't matter if it isn't 30% more powerful I can tell you this much im getting a ps4 because they have better games overall and sony hasn't made a 100 changes with the system what ms did can't be forgiven making all those changes I mean would you buy a house or car that was suppose to be something thenn they changed a bunch of stuff on it right before release no cause you would worry if the car would break down or the house might fall apart. that's why sony is better than ms this time around knowing what the gamers wanted and delievering that.

[hyperfire21]

No they don't have better games which is the sad part. Console isn't released yet so "changes" are not of any concern to the general public.

Also your car analogy doesn't relate.

[Enigma_2099]

...I'm gonna go play my PS3

[funkateer]

The 30% remark is such an obvious strawman.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

I gonna buy the PS4 and the X1 later (if they have enough console exclusive) but at the moment I don't know which one is really more powerful. I guess we will see once all the hardware reviews are available.

[MAULxx]

I used to like OK Larry but now, since I have no interest in the Xbone & yeah, the angry Joe video. I don't really care what he says or thinks.

[ssbains]

Prepare to weep then when you see PS4 games of next gen and the PS4 installed base sales figures.

Microsoft has garnered so much ill will from its policies, execs and strategy with the XBox 180 that I would donate it to charity rather than accept it as a free gift.

Microsoft will pull another 180 wait and see with reversal of policies after launch after the first year back to the draconian ones it imposed from the initial E3 announcement debacle.

Enjoy defeat this gaming generation while you go focus on tackling apple with Nokia smartphone

[XboxSeriesBest]

Oh wait a PR exec slinging mud at the competition! What a shocker! People actually take Major Nelson's words as bible. That's pretty pathetic

[90Supra]

Meh...

Dont care if the One ends up being more "powerful"

1st party exclusives are what I'm interested in and thats where Sony is ahead of every1 else......Nintendo can possibly make a case, but to many childish IPs for my taste...

Easy decision for me...