Microsoft: We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms

Gameranx: "When it comes to graphics, Microsoft doesn't think the Xbox One is at a disadvantage."

[allformats]

Oh wow. A little momentum and they're already talking gibberish over their heads.

Wake up, Microsoft, PS4 is 40 percent more powerful than Xbox One.

And go have a look at Killzone: Shadow Fall.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

"We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms"

Me either. But that's just graphics, gameplay is another scenario.

[ShinMaster]

I agree with MS when they say that there isn't a significant difference between the two consoles yet. So they probably shouldn't make such claims about their games yet either.

Ryse: Son of Rome averages 24 -26 fps and drops down to 20fps at times.
http://youtu.be/VzVlVRe9QYI...
Honestly, I'm not sure why it struggles. It's not open world or anything like that.

IMO Killzone and even Infamous(being an open-world game) look just as good, if not, better.

[okmrman]

i agree
i dont see anything special about killzone but pretty graphics. ummm battlefield 4 destroys it all day everyday

[saladthieves]

Well, that's THEIR opinion or view.

Now that we know when the Xbox One is being released, the customers will decide whether they are right or wrong.

[xHeavYx]

Lol, MS is at the point where they need to start making these crazy claims. Ryse videos show how horrible the gameplay is.
Besides, Sony has a story of making great games, instead of using the same 3/4 same IPs all the time. When was the last time MS came up with a new IP from their studios?

[Hatsune-Miku]

well they havent seen ps4 games. im being serious when i say some ps3 games rivals xbox one games. killzone 2, killzone 3, gt5, the last of us, uncharted 2, uncharted 3 ratchet, gow 3, gow ascension and some others. the xbox one games looks better than those ps3 games but its not by a wide margin

killzone shadow fall clearly is the best looking game anywhere and its quite close with infamous second son.

[scott182]

Killzone looks the best to me graphics and gameplay wise. I love the cool and open levels and the owl used for recon is cool idea. It looks so fun to me. I don't want to be a fanboy and compare it to other titles because they all look good in their way. But I am very excited for Killzone.

[JokesOnYou]

Oh OK so Sony can take jabs at micro since E3 but micro explaining why they are confident in their console and its gibberish. 40% more powerful, yeah right, I think he's absolutely right games like Ryse and Forza5 speak for themselves.

KZ SF you say?

Ryse Marius character model= 150,000 polygons
KZ SF highest LOD character= 40,000 polygons

...and Ryse has more enemies on screen at once vs KZ SF, both are linear though

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

http://n4g.com/news/1335101...

[mewhy32]

What do you expect micro$oft to say? Of course they're going to taut their wares LOL. The facts are still the same. The bone is an inferior piece of hardware that will farther and farther behind as the life cycle of these machines go forward. Already got my PS4 pre-ordered baby.

[ziggurcat]

@ jokes:

you can't seriously be comparing an NPC AI character to the main character you're in control over... plus one game is a FPS, the other is a third person hack n' slash. if you're going to be petty and count polygons, you'd be better off comparing infamous with ryse. while not the same genre by any means, at least it's the same POV.

[HurtfulTimez]

@ Jokes

No it uses 150k TRIANGLES not polygons and if you think polygons and triangles are the same in computing then please do some research or stop posting mis-information.

[nix]

wow.. at least we know they won't be doing 180 degree with this comment.

[JokesOnYou]

ziggurcat Yes I compared them only AFTER folks above me already did BUT instead of just giving my opinion I gave specific graphic details yo demonstrate at the very technical level Ryse is raising yhe bar graphically beyond KZ SF.

We've all got our opinions but those details are facts and sgain its not even just this site KZ SF and Ryse both seem to be the graphical standards so far on each platform and ALOT OF GAMING FORUMS ARE COMPARING THEM I guess for this reason/start of a new gen.

[HiddenMission]

@JokesOnYou

You troll skills are weak kid.

You think 150k triangles are the same as a polygon...wow just wow. You're in for a surprise when you get pick up Ryse.

I played both KZSF and Ryse at PAX and I can tell you 1st hand that KZSF looks considerably better...can you say the same thing...have you played these games yet...nope :P

[SilentNegotiator]

If you can't see anything better than Ryse on competing platforms, graphics or gameplay, you must not be able to see the competing platforms at all.

IGN called the multiplayer BORING a few days ago. I doubt that the SP is all that enthralling if they can't make a half-decent MP, capable of exciting the easily-pleased IGN staff for an hour.

[adorie]

@JokesOnYou
I'm guessing you didn't take Geometry seriously.
Cause it looks like Dual Shockers is in the same boat, as they falsely reported 150k polys as well.

Still grasping.
want a real triangle in 3D? Get yourself a pyramid or tetrahedron.

[JokesOnYou]

Firstly I didnt bring up the KZ SF and Ryse comparison, its in comments above and of course all over gaming forums yet you ask why am I comparing them as if you dont notice whats already been said, at least instead of just stating opinion I gave cold hard graphic details.

"When a game artist talks about the poly count of a model, they really mean the triangle count."

http://wiki.polycount.com/P...

"Triangle or polygon? In general or mathematical terms, a triangle is a  polygon, and I often here the term "Polygons per second when discussing speed". Are they talking about triangles, or polygons like those found in 3D Studio Max, where the word polygon refers to a specific object formed out of adjoining faces, which are in fact two triangles."
http://beyond3d.com/showthr...

-Which is why many gaming sites generally discuss them as the same.

[ShinMaster]

@ JokesOnYou

""Ryse has more enemies on screen at once""

And they're all brain-dead copy-pasted:
http://i.imgur.com/kVdry2Y....

Besides, PS3 did this:
http://youtu.be/mV2xJ0Ll8T8...
So don't get cocky.

So great, you have one character with a high poly count. But at what cost? http://youtu.be/VzVlVRe9QYI... Everything else suffers.

Try to shake it as much as you'd like, but KZ is looking and running pretty awesome :)

[brodychet]

Why is everything about graphics. Most fun I've had came from games with inferior graphics. Graphics amount to almost nothing.

[MysticStrummer]

Wow people are still comparing the main character of a 3rd person game to NPCs of a 1st person game?

lol

[Rainstorm81]

@jokes

http://gamerant.com/naughty...

So.....what are you saying?

Are you looking forward to ND new game? The polygons count will benearly 10times that of Ryse.......Or that's different

[4Sh0w]

Yeah I get it its not all about graphics and I font know anything about polygons vs triangles and I dont want to throw fuel on the fire but I have eyes and for me Ryse is the most visually stunning next gen game. Still only a fool would say KZ is far behind.

Rainstorm but thats a *report about ND "looking" for a artist to make a next gen character with 1,000,000 polys, I dont know if we'll see that on these consoles but cool but that hardly diminishes what Ryse is doing NOW and obviously both will surpass launch games, right?

[scott182]

As far as action on screen with tons of particle effects and constant explosions, smoke/fire. Plus the perfectly smooth animation with tons of movement in the sky and background. I haven't seen something like it on a console...

[N4GDgAPc]

@Rainstorm81

Uncharted didn't use 1million poly characters for in game. They used the 1million poly for the high res to make a normal map on the low res character. Characters were between 15,000 to 30,000 polys.

And pretty much before any 3D model is brought to any game the model is all in quads. Not triangles. No developer i know refer there models as triangles but polys.

[Utalkin2me]

@JokesOnYou

Really comparing a third person game to a fps. Then only using character models for the base of your argument. I mean you're going to leave resolution, frame rate, texture detail out of the mix when discussing?

[callahan09]

150,000 triangles on the main character, who is always front and center on your screen? OK. But how many triangles make up each AI enemy? Because THAT would be the comparison we're after with Killzone Shadow Fall's 40k polygon enemies. Comparing the main character who is on-screen 100% of the time to random AI character models that come and go throughout the game is ridiculous.

[ShinMaster]

@ N4GDjAPc

Wow, you people can't read.
It's about Naughty Dog's next-gen game, not Uncharted 3.

[LoneWolf019]

Yeah I hear Ryse plays like crap sadly.

[pedrof93]

Jokes@

Action RPG main characters tend to have a bigger polygon count.

So if GOW or a new Unchartred was announced...
The main characters would have more or less that number depending on developers ideas.

And since when does the polygons on a character define the graphical quality of it ?

[N4GDgAPc]

@ShinMaster

If you could read you would see I was referring to Rainstorm81.

@pedrof93.

"And since when does the polygons on a character define the graphical quality of it ?"

I would say it doesn't. Just because its more polys doesn't mean its going to make it better. Normal maps can make a low res model look like a high res model. But more polys though added to detail can make a normal map better. Really 150,000 polys might be going overboard. A good artist can bring that down to 80,000 polys (probly more) and make it look exactly like the 150,000 poly character.

[JokesOnYou]

Utalkin2me for the last time I'm not the one who started the whole KZ SF vs Ryse comparison, I simply gave some context to all the opinions.

lol, Its all good though, its just so funny watching you guys celebrate sonys jabs and throw out opinions as if their facts but god forbid micro boast or xbox fans have strong opinions then you act as if someone slapped your mom. lol, Ultimately it doesnt matter just buy the game/games you like.

Pedro poly's have always defined graphics on a technical level, what you are trying to argue now is "art style" and yes some lesser poly count games can be more visually appealing based on art style, which in any case Ryse is not bland artistically by any stretch of the imagination but again that wasn't the debate here. I agree both games are of different genres so a direct comparison is unfair but again I speaking purely in regards to graphic detail which others were already comparing.

[The_Con-Sept]

The amount of fanboy blood on the floor is enticing! Kaz be trollin as uh... Ms be rolling over... PS4 YEAH. WOOP WOOP!

[dantesparda]

Yeah, but MS is arrogsnt, right? Its only Sony that is arrogant. Nintendo can sit there and say that the PS4 launch line up looks "meh" and MS can say "that nothing looks better than Ryse or Forza" which are opinions let me remind you, but there arent arrogant right? But if Sony says they have the most powerful console (which is a fact) they are arrogant right? The level of hypocrisy fanboys and their beloved companies exhibit is astonishing

[cfir]

@Jokes
2 Things. 1st they are not both linear. KZ:SF has multiple objectives which can be completed in any order (in the same level).
2nd they Ryse 150K Triangle count is only for the model level 1 LOD. So the story telling scripted part. Maybe the QTE events where it blurs the rest of the screen. Now you could argue that the blur is to highlight the kill, but handily it also reduces the poly count that it needs to render.

[Reverent]

If people are going to try an compare Killzone ShadowFall with Ryse, let's look at one other little detail...

Ryse runs below 30 FPS.

Killzone: SF runs at 60FPS (At 1080p).

I'm not so much arguing the two games graphically, rather the power of the machines that will be running them.

[FamilyGuy]

I really can't believe people think Ryse looks good,
This http://news.xbox.com/~/medi... does not look good to me.
I see it as "150k triangles" wasted

And to think of the audacity shown to compare it to something like this http://media1.gameinformer....
or this
http://media1.gameinformer....

Let's have a closer, actual side-by-side look
http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...
Seriously, I can't be the only one seeing Killzone on top by a mile.
Marius' face looks like crap, they used a neanderthal as a face capture model and his eyes and mouth look far from next gen let alone "setting a graphical bar"
All the additional characters on screen are clones that follow a set path and even Marius seems to be on rails at times in the single player.

Meanwhile on Killzone we see beautifully rendered faces, high levels of detail and characters that look like someone you'd want to know more about. All running face-paced, in huge environments, at 60fps and 1080p.

Please stop the comparisons!

[Gozer]

Ryse is the best looking next gen title so far, for either platform. Thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

[Rainstorm81]

Double post / Wasted bubble

[Rainstorm81]

@Family Guy

Those pics tell it all not to mention in the Ryse pic all three guys have the same face.

If Ryse's characters have a higher Poly count, those pics dont do it justice.

But then again KZSF pics are probably a cutscene and Ryse may be in game

Edit: nvm it says Ryse Cinematic ....hmmmm

[tokugawa]

it isnt easy to call, because ryse, forza and kz are the shining launch games in grfx department.

so,

best looking driving game: forza (by a mile)

best looking third person: ryse (by a mile)

nest looking fps: kz. i dont think bf will touch it in the grfx area

[nukeitall]

DriveClub last I heard was 30% complete and ran at 30fps, so no, Forza 5 hands down.

Ryse is the best looking game on any console platform.

They are good games to hold you over, but Titanfall destroys all!

[HammadTheBeast]

Hey guys don't forget to pick up the special RYSE controller:

http://i169.photobucket.com...

[scott182]

Based on what I have seen Drive club looks like the best looking driving game easily. And funnest with that awesome sense of speed!

[N4GDgAPc]

@JokesOnYou

"Pedro poly's have always defined graphics on a technical level"

I think that is wrong. What defines graphics is the lighting and textures (by using Normal maps and I bet there going to use parallel mapping this next generation). For any game its good to have as low poly as possible to have a stable game. 150,000 poly characters is pushing it. I guaranteed you get a great artist and they can make a 80,000 poly look the exact same as the 150,000 poly character. Probly even less to.

[TrollCraftTales]

@JokesOnYou,
It's 150k triangles, not polygons,
--tri=3,
--poly=a shape with multiple sides, meaning 3+, generally 5 or more, -----40,000 POLYGONS FAR exceeds 150k triangles only, as most polygons are more than 3...
--Also that is just character models, the entire ryse world doesn't compare to KZ:SF,
-which is semi open world, there are different levels, but each level has open world elements to it, unlike Ryse, which is QTEs and button mashing until all the baddies are dead...

[dafegamer]

you call repetitive combat and unnecessary slow motion during execution good gameplay?

[Kryptix]

@JokesOnYou
"Utalkin2me for the last time I'm not the one who started the whole KZ SF vs Ryse comparison, I simply gave some context to all the opinions."

lol You did it on your first post. Your Xbot wires running through your brain needs some serious readjusting.

"KZ SF you say?

Ryse Marius character model= 150,000 polygons
KZ SF highest LOD character= 40,000 polygons

...and Ryse has more enemies on screen at once vs KZ SF, both are linear though" -JokesOnYou

--

"I simply gave some context to all the opinions."

A very flawed opinion piece you tried reinforcing of comparing the main character to an NPC. I see it brought up and shot down many times. People aren't idiots to buy into that kind of very flawed logic. That's just the kind of logic fanboys use to cover up a disadvantage in their console of choice.

-

"Its all good though, its just so funny watching you guys celebrate sonys jabs and throw out opinions as if their facts but god forbid micro boast or xbox fans have strong opinions then you act as if someone slapped your mom. lol, Ultimately it doesnt matter just buy the game/games you like."

The graphical difference between the two consoles has been let out and proven with the games shown that the PS4 does have some sort of graphical advantage against the Xbox One. We're talking not just some polygon count, but also in having better frame rates per second. When someone says, the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One, it is fact because developers have already stated it that the PS4 version is somehow a little better. I think you're just hurt that people don't specifically say, "significantly better" and they make it sound like it's a major graphical advantage. Graphically, they might be close in some aspects, but performance wise, PS4 will outperform the Xbox One due to GDDR5 alone. Either way, the PS4 is still more powerful and Sony isn't lying while Microsoft posted this. It's clear that they haven't payed attention to Killzone: Shadowfall or Infamous: Second Son. I think it's more that Microsoft has stated this, which by comparing games on both sides, it isn't true and that's why people are correcting them. Ryse is the only game showing Xbox One's real graphical power but Sony's heavy hitters squash it with some extra force the Xbox One hasn't shown.

--

"I agree both games are of different genres so a direct comparison is unfair"

Then you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place, simple as that. If you knew it wasn't fair, then you could of just dismissed it and never have brought it up so you wouldn't make yourself look more of a fool.

Good day sir.

[N4GDgAPc]

I looked at the image and it does say Triangles. 150,000 triangles is a good range model for next gen. What they did they tried to make it sound more impressive by converting the model to triangles.

But 150,000 tri is still more than killzone 40,000 polys. When making a character model you want to keep everything in quads as much as possible and a good flow in wireframe to have a nice rig on a character for animation. So 1 poly turns into 2 polys when you convert it to triangles. So character is in the 75,000 poly range.

Tell you the truth with a good artist you probly wouldn't beable to tell the difference between a 40,000 poly character compared to 75,000 poly character. It just comes down to lighting and texturing.

[evilhasitsway]

if you want to to go with graphics killzone got it beat by a long run and gameply ryse is like I button sequence battle thing just like heavy rain you don't even really got control of it gay.

[Ritsujun]

Poor Xbosh, they're trying too hard.

[DigitallyAfflicted]

In order to see anything you need to pull you head out of your own ass :)
Extra benefits off this action you will stop eating your own shit M$

[starchild]

Ok, I don't really care about which console has the best graphics because neither console is going to compare to the quality of graphics that I will get on PC. But I just have to say that the people saying that triangles and polygons aren't the same thing (in this context) don't have ANY idea what they are talking about.

A triangle is a 3-sided polygon and it is the type of polygon that essentially all modern game engines use. If you go to wireframe you will see that all the polygons are triangles.
http://img40.imageshack.us/...

Modelers work with 4-sided polygons called quadrilaterals in modeling software simply because they are easier to model with. But those quadrilaterals are converted to triangles for use in-engine and to be processed by the hardware.

"The two common measurements of a game character's 'cost' are polygon count and vertex count. Polygon is interchangeable with triangle in these measurements, as GPUs only see vertices and triangles, not 4+ sided polygons. Depending on the use, a game character may stretch anywhere from 200-300 triangles, to 40,000+ triangles. A high-end third-person console or PC game may use many vertices or triangles per character, and an iOS tower defense game might use very few per character."

"When a game artist talks about the poly count of a model, they really mean the triangle count. Games almost always use triangles not polygons because most modern graphic hardware is built to accelerate the rendering of triangles."
http://wiki.polycount.com/P...

When Crytek refer to "triangles" and Guerrilla refer to "polygons", in practice they are referring to exactly the same thing.

[Gaming101]

LOL did anyone really think Microsoft was going to praise a game exclusive to Sony's platform? I mean what are we, retarded? Of course they're going to trash Sony, that's all they have left to do! They need to talk their games up, and say no one makes better games. This is a competition here for money, would you talk up your competitors? Of course not!

[otherZinc]

Forza 5 will have more gameplay than any game released for next gen consoles this year!

[CryofSilence]

@Jokes

Yes, there will likely be a disparity in the poly counts as there often are across genres (poly=/=tri, as poly can, though not often in graphic design, mean more than 3 vertices), but polygon counts only go so far. Shaders/effects and mappings are what make the character look better. It's a case of "how you use it," not "how big it is." ;)

Also, the Killzone environments look far more ambitious and pretty.

[starchild]

@ CryofSilence

See my comment above.

We aren't talking about the poly count in a modeling program like ZBrush. We are talking about the poly count within the engine, which is always measured in triangles.

Graphics hardware processes triangles. The quadrilaterals that artists use in modeling software are converted to triangles for rendering by the game engine.

No developer is going to brag up the poly count used solely in modeling software, since it is a lower number and doesn't represent what is being used within the game engine anyway.

Crytek and Guerrilla are both referring to the amount of polygons (triangles) comprising characters within the game.

That said, polygon counts are not even close to being the only measure of a game's graphics.

[JokesOnYou]

Kryptix lol are you slow I never said I didn't compare them, NO I said I made a comparison for context AFTER others like Shinmaster and Heavy ect ABOVE already did. I think its legit to point out boths technical specs if folks insist on comparing the 2 games.

Trollcraft I gave you the links, Read starchild link for more clarification. lol one thing I notice you guys talk alot as if you're engineers but dont back up you claims with creditable links, lol I see more stupid gifs and what not than INFORMATION. I dont pretend to know it all, far from it but I also dont make blind statements thats why I include links for technical or historic info whenever I say something questionable you can bet I at least TRIED to undetstand it through reading(I google every technical subject) instead of expecting folks to take my word for it...because guess what I never ever take members word on n4g as fact, I prefer to read up for myself so this is why I just dismiss rants like yours talking tech with no links.

[badz149]

lol @Microsofy acting cocky all of a sudden when they finally actually have exclusives! that's so cute.

have you been steadily releasing exclusives after exclusives all these years? what happened to "exclusives don't matter", Microsoft?

The hypocricy is strong here.

[minimur12]

@shinmaster

in it's current state the gameplay is most likely pre-alpha, so frame rate jaggies are obvious :)

[N4GDgAPc]

When turning your demoreel to video games, they want the poly count in quads of your 3D model. Not the count in triangles. So I just expected when they refered to 40,000 polys that is in quads.

But it can be tricky because doesn't matter if its in tries or quads its still 1 poly.

[DarkHeroZX]

Go home dude, your drunk.

[Kryptix]

@JokesOnYou
"Kryptix lol are you slow I never said I didn't compare them, NO I said I made a comparison for context AFTER others like Shinmaster and Heavy ect ABOVE already did. I think its legit to point out boths technical specs if folks insist on comparing the 2 games."

Actually, you got it all wrong. The posters before you were talking about an overall experience and in order it would be; presentation, game play, frames per second/smoothness, and even some of them say that graphics on both consoles are almost similar. I was stating how you were the first one that brought up Ryse and compared the main character to a Killzone: Shadowfall NPC with the number of polygons for each one. Then all the comments came in about polygons and your misinformation which prompted you to cry out the defensive, "Yes I compared them only AFTER folks above me already did," but the topic of discussion that you created was the unfair comparison between the two.

I guess for you, just stating only the graphics of Ryse just says how dull the game really is for everything else. You should try debunking what people say unless it's fact. Gameplay can be opinion but when there's many accounts that it's a little or really stale when there hasn't been any complaints for any other game...then that should be taken into consideration that the game might actually be dull till the game releases to see if they changed it. From what I seen, there's a some glitches with the combat that needs to be worked out, more than any other game I seen for next gen.

My, "PS4 being more powerful than the Xbox One" section of my last post is only there because you keep declaring facts as opinion. Fact is that with all the specs details released and what we know so far, the PS4 is a more powerful console overall. Which explains why Killzone: Shadowfall can do locked 30fps and can go 60fps in certain areas of the single and multiplayer. All I read and see about the Xbox One exclusives performance wise is that Ryse sometimes drops under 30fps and Dead Rising 3 had problems getting a constant 30fps.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

[rainslacker]

@Jokes

Using the number of polys/triangles is hardly getting at the "very technical level" of anything. There is a hell of a lot more that goes into displaying a character model than the number of polys. If you want to get technical explain how texture maps and lighting will be used to make the number of polygons rather pointless, or just explain to us what an LOD is...I know, but wonder if you do.

You're comparing apples to oranges, so really, just stop. If you want to make the comparison, tell us how many polys(or triangles) are making up all those LOD NPC's or baddies in Ryse. It doesn't appear to be any more than the ones in KZ:SF, and they are actually rather generic compared to the main character.

In gaming, the general rule is that polygon counts refer to triangles. triangles are the simplest way to make complex geometry, however the actual model is usually modeled in quads(rectangles), and then split by the engine at compile, or sometimes by the artist if it's required to insure mesh effects are working properly. Quads are generally easier to actual model by the artist. Generally you don't want to have more than a quad, because it can give unexpected results when it tries to convert to a triangle, which can give you wierd texture/mesh effects, whereas a two triangles make up a quad.

[Withdreday]

The Execs at Microsoft need to take a good look at the Ryse gameplay videos.

I don't think they're seeing what we're seeing.

[Autodidactdystopia]

OMG
all of you, wtf, poly= multi, gon = sides

WTF are all u talking about, poly=2 or more,

when an engine is being talked about the polycount is in triangles. NO STUPID ARGUMENT. ITS A FACT.
wtf,

ALL realtime graphics engines convert quads, which are 2 polys to triangles.

also there is no such thing as a "Quad" they are all triangles, unless you are talking about nurbs modeling. WHICH YOU ARE NOT, nurbs is mathematical surface modeling used in industry, for real production of real products, for example when the ps4 was designed it was designed by a class A surface certified modeler, (non videogame) No product today is made with a polygon surface model, as you cannot apply a shader to a real world object, the shape has to be fully realized mathematically for molds to be created, something tris do not do. nurbs modeling is completed using PATCHES not polygon meshes.

open edges and multi >3 sided n-gons are a bitch to render realtime and are the reason game engines only take quads, which are 2 tris stuck together.

a 5 sided poly will never be seen in a videogame as most shading methods have trouble with interpolating surfaces that have verteces that run out of parallel to the normal. which results in shading artifacts and just basically breaks the shader.

I will prepare a series of examples.

[Autodidactdystopia]

1. This Is a box, made of 6 sides, 6 "quads"
as I said before Quads are 2 tri polys stuck together
notice the poly count I have enabled in the viewport says 12 polys. 1 quad = 2 polys
http://gyazo.com/07bb18867c...

2. I have enabled showing of the polys in the viewport in this shot, notice they are all triangles quadsa are much easier to work with.

http://gyazo.com/7586d82551...

3. This is a sphere built with polys
http://gyazo.com/32954601ef...

4.
This is what a real world object surface like the ps3 would look like if designed with polygons/in quads without a proper shader to blend the normals.
http://gyazo.com/109d6c6ad1...

5.

This is a teapot modeled in polys with shading to blur the edges to give a clean shade. notice the edges http://gyazo.com/1ec9151d05...

6. this is that same teapot rendered in nurbs/ or patches notice how the edges are now smooth

http://gyazo.com/5256a45cf0...

7.

this is what you say kz shadowfall has... >3 sided polygons, that due to fanboy logic are somehow more than just triangles.

http://gyazo.com/82a00903a6...

8. This is what game engines turn those superpolys lol. into

http://gyazo.com/a19bfcd286...

9.

this is why >3 sided polys are not used.

because when you try to model with them.. (the verts.)

A
http://gyazo.com/0437ac609d...

It breaks the g($%*#AMN shader

B
http://gyazo.com/e6fb4ee5dc...

Therefore , All game devs when talking about polycount are talking about F$*#&G triangles.

you guys talk SO MUCH when you know so little. WTF.

[WarThunder]

Ryse runs at 23-25 fps... Seriously that's garbage for a next gen game....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[The_Con-Sept]

Basically Microsoft's statement could be taken as "Forza and Ryse are the only two games people want to play." I'm just playing the headline game :P.

[Autodidactdystopia]

omg @ disagrees...*facepalm*

[Asahthor]

Obviously you haven't seen the gameplay from Ryse,it's just QTE fights. I also heard that since it was a X360 Kinect game from the beginning it has issues with framerates and AA they bascially ported the old engine to fit the XONE.

[rainslacker]

@auto

lessons in game design don't usually go over very well. People like to think they know everything. I make games myself, and can readily admit I don't know everything, but will still point out facts where everyone is missing them.

Otherwise, you came off terribly condescending, which is likely why people disagreed with you. I said the same thing as you without examples, but did it respectfully...for the most part.

Could have been because you also complicated the discussion by adding n-gons into the mix.:)

[Abash]

As someone who's getting a PS4 and XOne on launch, I have to say that Killzone: Shadow Fall is the best looking launch exclusive.

[HebrewHammer]

That game rocked my world at PAX. I actually stopped, mid multiplayer match, to watch the cloak of a sniper move around in the wind.

[GmIsOnPt360]

The problem with Killzone is its a generic pretty shooter in a world over saturated with pretty shooter IE battlefield, COD etc. BUt thats just my take

[ziggurcat]

@ GmIsOnPt360

RE: "generic"

http://www.southernfriedsci...

[Sevir]

Everyone loves to throw around the word generic and attach it to killzone, Sorry but the brand is a powerful one and there isn't anything generic about it... Keep throwing the word around because you don't have a worth while shooter exclusive launching with the Xbox one... As it stands Xbox One has nothing to compete with Killzone at launch so they depend on the king of Generic fps with COD and striking a new Partnership with another company looking to compete with a generic brand because it sells 15 million a year with every concurrent release.

[walkincarpet]

Killzone was always average on PS3 - Halo absolutely destroyed it. I could only play Killzone 2 for 20~30 minutes before moving on to another game. So it boggles my mind that the sony fans keep hyping this game. I can understand looking forward to the sony big guns that will start showing up in 2015, but hyping KZSF as a great game when its prequels failed does not make any sense to me.

Ryse, looks great but also looks boring. As far as I can tell there is basically one enemy type - barbarians and one weapon type - sword. Sure, they threw in spears and unfortunately God magic to spice things up, but God magic doesn't even fit in with the rest of the game. By now gamers have feasted on Dark Souls, God of War, Gears of War, etc, and have become accustomed to a wealth of variety and options. This is why Ryse fails.

[Megaton]

Yeah, Killzone and some moments in Infamous are the best things I've seen graphically from either console.

Microsoft's just doing their job, but it is pretty funny. They look sad and delusional at times.

[Narutone66]

The only developer who do decent shooters on the Xbox platform is Bungie. But too bad, they're 3rd party now and they are doing Destiny. I hope Sony would buy them and make them their first party developer.

[pedrof93]

Actually Infamous looks better than Ryse, considering that its a open world, while Driveclub is getting better everyday.

By the way do you know why Microsoft don't say directly that X1 is more powerful than Ps4 ? Because won't dare lying like that. Also Sony said that they made the most powerfull to date, and then MS release a bunch of specs to make people happy.

[DiRtY]

The facial animations for InFamous are really bad. This looked so not real.

Forza, Ryse, Division and BF4 were the best looking games IMO

[Kayant]

@DiRtY

The facial animations looks bad and unreal. Wat??

So there you must think the facial animations in LA noire are bad and unrealistic.

[Hicken]

And the grass in Ryse looks like cardboard.

If you're disregarding how good Killzone and inFamous look, feel free to borrow my glasses until you get your own.

[torchic]

@dirty

WHAT!

inFamous: Second Son has THE BEST facial animations + voice acting I've seen coming from anything on a next gen console!

even inFamous 2 had very very nice facial animations

[Utalkin2me]

@timotim

Didn't know they have showed gameplay of quantum break? Or are you going to jump on the "in game engine" wagon. If that is the case nothing touches dark sorcerer.

[strifeblade]

Yeah sony made that claim but dont you expect sony to throw around claims like that??? I mean it is their console- like maybe there is a chance that its pr bullcrap?

Look at the cell processor and all the claims about that and what did that amount to? The eventual abandonment when it came to the ps4 architecture. So take a chill pill and open your mind a bit. No company is immuned from lying and fooling their consumer.

[pedrof93]

They stated a fact.

If they lied they would be a joked by competition and hated by consumers.

And what did Microsoft said about Ps4 being more powerful ?
Nothing about it.

[strifeblade]

@pedrof

Here is a fact pedrof (see link)- thats what xbox said about the 30% advantage. I guess your facts are factual lies. Now how do you feel?

http://n4g.com/news/1348120...

[SegaSaturn669]

They may want to book an optometrist appointment

[nosferatuzodd]

lol yeah looking good and being good is a different story from what Ive heard the ryse sucks

[GarrusVakarian]

Please email those pictures to MS because they obviously haven't been looking for them themselves if they are talking such nonsense.

[SatanSki]

Killzone doesnt look very good in wilderness parts and popup is just terrible. They have a point

And before someone acuse me of being fanboy - i dont give a shit about neither of those crappy platforms

[gobluesamg]

Then gtfo

[tordavis]

Does anyone here think that Sony or Microsoft would praise their competitors games or not praise their own? Ok, close thread. Nothing here to see.

[patsrule316]

For the record, Major Nelson praises Sony games that he likes. He was extremely complimentary to The Last of Us when it came out. He has never been shy about admitting he owns a PS3 and said he will get a PS4 when it comes out.

[adorie]

Much too late.
The discussion has already been derailed several times.
It's like there is multiple off-topic discussions going on within a discussion that lost traction after the first few posts. :P

[negative]

"PS4 is 40 percent more powerful" yet it can't produce anything close to what the Xbox One is doing out of the gate. But that's what you get with a more balanced architecture.

Keep wearing those $ony goggles - they fit you well.

[GarrusVakarian]

"yet it can't produce anything close to what the Xbox One is doing out of the gate"

Killzone Shadow Fall exists...you do know that right?

You keep wearing those M$ goggles, they fit you well. See how silly that sounds?

Also, why are people so quick to forget the past? The PS3 was notoriously hard to develop for and look what their 1st party devs accomplished, The Last Of Us, upcoming Beyond 2 Souls, Uncharted 2 and 3, God of War 3, all of those demolish any 360 exclusive graphically. Imagine what they will do with the PS4. I expect the exact same scenario next gen, both will have awesome exclusives but Sony's 1st party devs will make the best games in terms of graphics.

[Doghead]

you happen to like playstation brand??
lol...who told you that?
A company who will fool people for the first 3 months, then once they have huge sales forget abt their customers doesn't deserve any love

[Darrius Cole]

@Lukas

Obviously he doesn't know that KZ:Shadowfall exists if he thinks that the PS4 can't produce anything close to what the XBO is doing out of the gate.

Actually, Uncharted 1 edges out all of the best looking 360 games. All the rest of the games you listed are overkill.

The Sony first parties probably are going to make games with better graphics this time as well. However, with the PS4's main advantage being RAM bandwidth I wonder if said advantage will manifest itself in better on-screen motion.

[Evilsnuggle]

Killzone SF multiplayer is in full 1080p 60 fps. Does xbone have a first person shooter in 1080p 60fsp!!! Hell no killzone SF is the king of NEXT GEN first person shooter. Show me 1080p 60fsp that is NEXT GEN and 1080 30fps open world.

[Magicite]

its a shame u cant loose your last bubble

[Ohlmay]

Forza 5 looks far better than DriveClub and runs at twice the FPS...

[FANTA1180]

honestly driveclub looks like a $29.99 downloadable game ,...im sure it was made just b/c the console needed some type of racing game to launch with.

[HurtfulTimez]

but has baked lighting and no day/night cycles...

[Angeljuice]

DriveClub will look phenomenal by launch. Care to compare the lighting on each title? Thought not.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Forza looks cartoony in comparison.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Note the actual REAL TIME lighting DC uses.Also note the real time lighting shining through the branches of The dense, fully rendered trees & brush and even the incredible detail with reflections in the windshield.

Forza Uses PRE-BAKED lighting.Those tress looks like blurry 2d Sprites placed in the backround.

Sure, Forza may be at 60fps.But look at everything they cut to get that.

Baked lighting
Baked damage
STILL no night racing
STILL no weather
No auction house anymore either.

Looks to be the most gimped forza yet.But it sounds impressive because they say 60fps.What will your excuse be when DC hits the 60fps like they're aiming for, with all the actual taxing tech they're using?

[monkeyDzoro]

I'm sure they didn't take a look at inFamous which is not finished and yet crush all X1 games in terms of graphics. And freaking KillzoneSF. Now they should just hope DriveClub don't get really polished before launch, if not even Forza wont be competing.

[cfir]

@timotim
Have they shown any game play from Quantum Break ? I think that the concept is interesting (the only xb1 game that caught my interest). But unless you've seen game play, what's to compare ?

[Ohlmay]

Who gives a crap about Killzone? The game looks to be another CoD with it's generic gameplay, no recoil/sway on weapons, linear campaign, heavy momentum removed, not to mention you start withe every weapon. Casual game confirmed, I'll pass. I'll play Titanfall which seems to be taking a dump on KZSF when it comes to Awards.

[Evilsnuggle]

Titianfall is a last generation 720p vavles old l Source engine. killzone SF is in full 1080p 60fsp . You Might like the game or the game play but killzone SF graphics are true NEXT GEN and on a different level.

[Magicite]

titanfall is generic shit, same as gears and halo

[hardcorehippiez]

no recoil on a killzone game hahahahah good one there, just shows you have not played it.

[thetruthx1]

I don't see anything that matches the visuals of Ryse

Killzone looks like a slow generic shooter with nothing interesting going for it

I've noticed Infamous cut scenes look awesome but while you're playing it doesn't look next gen

[ziggurcat]

take a look at ryse's gameplay before you start throwing around "generic", and "doesn't look next gen" because there is nothing innovative or mindblowing about ryse at all.

[Timeline87]

Have you read any of the reviews for Ryse from what I understand you CAN'T die the game plays itself to a extent.
Please take a look http://www.explosion.com/38...

[strickers]

You clearly know very little

[kewlkat007]

To be honest, I don't either..like seriously. Xbox one has the better launch lineup IMHO. Not just me though.

[dumahim]

It's easy to have a better launch lineup when you give up on the current gen 3 years earlier.

http://i.imgur.com/zl10SZ0....

[HugoDrax]

@dumahim

Does that image really have a picture of MAG? LMAO hahahaha! Remove that picture as that game will become unplayable in T-Minus 6 months. This is why Microsoft providing dedicated servers for every game is a huge bonus for Xbox owners. Were as PLAYSTATION owners of MAG, have 6 months left to play before all servers are shut down. I doubt anyone is online to play a multiplayer match of MAG? I chucked my MAG disc years ago, that game has no following whatsoever, and I believe it only cost $0.99 to purchase at GAMESTOP lol.

[FANTA1180]

i reaLLY cant tell if those images are killzone part 2 3, or 4 ...lmao

and 40% is such a rounded number u sure the ps4 aint 37.8 % more powerful ... howd u come up with 40% ?

[marinelife9]

The Division looks better and stays at 30fps on PS4.

[Evilsnuggle]

Ryse looked great run on a dell pc windows 7 and nivida titian card at E3 but it looks like crap on xbone one 80. Forza 5 is the best graphical and reviewed xbone launch game but the background are flat. Xbone can't again compete PS4 has superior graphics .look at killzone SF is in full 1080p 60 fps and infamous second son 1080p 30fps60 open world. I am NOT impressed by xbone.

[BallsEye]

Well, if it is 40 percent more powerful, certainly there was no game shown that uses that power. KZ2 looks average. Please check out full res screenshots, it just looks mediacore and slow (worse animations than Ryse). I'm not sayin MS showed some OMGWTFBBQ game graphics there but for sure better than anything competitors presented so far. I wish that Sony will show something big tho, I do plan to get ps4 in 2014...just gimme some serious games already.

[Blaze929]

This just shut up every damn user hee on N4G and the internet:

“The people that are speculating on this are not our hardware engineers, and we’re not Sony’s hardware engineers,” Penello said when asked about the Xbox One’s power. “I don’t believe that the difference between these two platforms is significant as comparing individual components.”

but i guess internet commenters know best eh? DAT 40%!!!!! lol im pretty sure none of you even know what that will mean for game development.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Sounded like pure damage control to me. Microsoft: "YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!"

[Mkai28]

They don't realize that 40% will add better frame rates in multiplatform games. If the X1 is playing at 52 frames the ps4 is playing at 62fps. But the X1 seems to be a more optimized console. The PS4 has " off the shelf" hardware where the GPU handles everything. Hence the reason why the GPU has 18 CUs, but also makes it easy to program for.

The X1 has a lot of secondary processors, audio processors, data move engines, eSRAM, ect. So I'm not calling it the weaker out the two either.. Sony knows it has the better GPU, this is why it's easy for them to say, we have the most powerful console. In that area yes, they have more graphic power but what of everything else?

To state this, the Xbox 360 has the better GPU then the PS3. 240.0GFLOPS to 176GFLOPS. One would say, the 360 is the more powerful console. Wait one second, the cell processors are able to offload heavy task from the weaker GPU of the RSX and were able to pull off some graphics that look good to this day.

So I'm not prejudging on anything, all I'm saying is we may be surprised which console comes out on top in the end.. Because none of these games will look bad this time around, so at the end gamers win.

[TheXgamerLive]

@Allformatts, haha your a joke. First you run like a luttle girl to every positive Xbox post to say Nu Uh bbbbbuttt look at killzone hahaha give it a rest little man. And no, not 40% more anything, seriously wait until the NDA are over and then you'll see and more importantly lOOk at the games mkay.
Ya know most sony fans are good people and good gamers but the ones like you are just an embaresment to the gaming industry.
Post after post you spew nothing but diarhea of the mouth.
But hey on a positive note, Way to go bubbling yourself up:)

[StoutBEER]

Well graphically it's pretty true. I'm an Xbox fan and when i read the headline I was like really? Not Titanfall? Then I realised it was graphics they were talking about. The only game that I have seen that is truly gorgeous on the PS4 is Killzone SF. And damn, that game is gorgeous.

[eliasg]

you know FORZA 5 and RYSE looks but you cant accept it.

[Angeljuice]

Forza looks pretty good, Ryse looks awful (on actual Xbox hardware), I can accept that.

[showtimefolks]

ok MS you win this round i guess but what will happen when sony unleashes ND,SSM,MM?

also TGS sony have said to announce 10-12 games

VGA's

to me drive club looks stunning, its coming from evolution studios, i like their racing games

Killzone is mt favorite FPS and looks great

[CYCLEGAMER]

To be honest, for the most part he is right. If we are looking at launch titles, killzone is the only game that looks on part with the xbox one games.

[KingTrash]

What is with the Sony fanboy Killzone comments? It really doesn't look that great. It's not bad but MS is right. Nothing is touching Ryse or Forza graphically yet.

[starchild]

I mostly game on the PC and I really don't understand why some people are acting like KZSF looks so amazing. I can see that it doesn't even match up to the standard set by Crysis 3.

It's colorful and that is what grabs people's attention, but if all the textures were colored brown or grey I really don't think it would look all that amazing. Battlefield 4 looks better to me and has a lot more going on.

I'm not getting an Xbox One and I don't think Ryse's gameplay looks all that great (no offense), but graphically it does look pretty damn good. Which isn't surprising considering it's Crytek that is making it.

[Nexus38]

40% more powerful!
hahahahaha i just. i cant..

[Animal Mutha 76]

240 comments.

Blimey you lot sure got baited. Inflammatory headline/article if ever I saw one.

[sync90]

No way is PS4 40% more powerful! if they dont think its at a disadvantage then why have they slightly upgraded the specs?

Ryse and Forza look about as interesting as an empty cardboard box.

[StoutBEER]

Really sync? Do you expect anyone but fanboys to take you seriously with that comment?

[2cents]

It's about time they grew a pair and started claiming their perceived position.

Too many months of unsureness and confusion. It's time to put the gloves on and start this console war for real.

The playstation nation have had it way to easy since feb.

Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!

[Playstaion]

I'am worried about the graphics card in both GPU's it's the 7870 AMD Radeon it's quite an old card but by the time the life cycle of both consoles are over where will the Pc be it's way ahead now .

[rawd]

Omg they are officially all on crack

[corvusmd]

Just looks like Halo on current gen with a lot of lens flares.

[HugoDrax]

hahahaha! It sure does have a lot of lens flares lol.....I'm just not sold on the overall gameplay, which is why I'm considering canceling my pre order. At this moment I only have watch dogs and KILLZONE pre ordered for my PS4. Forza, DR3, FIFA14 for my XB1. Although, I may add AC Black Flag for PS4 because of the use of the touchpad on the controller :-)

[Bigpappy]

Jokes is correct. He did not invoke KZ into the conversation 'allformats' did in the very first comment. So you guy need to put up or shut up on that one.

Many hands-on and off previews have been done on these games, and what M$ is saying matches what we all have been reading. Even people who hate Ryse let you know up front, that it is the best looking launch title shown at all the events so far. So you guys can get angry and cry until your faces turn blue. That would not change the fact that Ryse and Forza are in fact the best looking games we have seen so far.

I have seen the KZ video's and there do look sharp and detailed. But do not have the same wow effect that you get when you see Ryse in action, particularly the single player mode. It is almost like watching a movie.

[strickers]

Bollocks

[MysticStrummer]

"It is almost like watching a movie."

That can be said about games going back to the PS2/XBox generation.

Ryse looks good, it really does, I just think it's amazing that anyone thinks it's the best looking game we've seen so far. That opinion honestly confuses me. I look for new videos so I can see what people are talking about, but it keeps just looking good and not "the best looking".

[xtremeimport]

This is potential true for now. The only issue with this is, where will MS go from these titles? Any other AAA new IPs that will continue to show their "commitment" to games?

Sony still has yet to take the covers off of Naughty Dog and Santa Monica's projects...

[andrewsqual]

And I love the way they completely left out Dead Rising 3. Even they know it looks worse then a lot of last gen games with simply too much on screen then hardware is tuned to right now.
But some fans would completely disagree with this of course.

[3-4-5]

Their combat is just pressing the button it tells you to at the correct time.

Like Batman & kind of like AC, except it should be 10x better because it's next gen.

It just doesn't appear to be 10x better.

The combat looks this gen. Still think it will be a pretty cool game though.

[Sci0n]

LOL!!!!!!!!! @ Microshaft!

[ajax17]

double post... oops

[ajax17]

All I have to say to is wait until Naughty Dog shows off their first PS4 game.

[assdan]

Yeah, ryse has almost no demand.

[Iceman_Nightmare]

I got the chance to play Ryse at GamesCom, and it sucked! Same animation for killing over and over again, and the gameplay was horrible! Forza is great, but I enjoyed Driveclub even more. DriveClub felt like between a arcade racing game and simulator. DriveClub's graphics were clearly better!

[Rimeskeem]

you forgot infamous second son because well that game looks better then anything ive seen

[princejb134]

killzone looks the same as the other games just nicer graphics
ryse looks boring
forza looks ok to me since im not much of a racing fan

the only 2 launch games that look amazing to me thus far is battlefield 4 and watch dogs

[zohakxb1]

Lol Sony fanboys will always find something to talk about Microsoft. This commercial is aimed for football fans. Last I read the last madden game has sold 1 million on its first week. 1 million ps4 preorders mean nothing to football or sports in general fans. And that's where Microsoft provides a different experience of watching the game . Non games on this commercial. No need for that. Games com showed the world the best exclusives.

[ALLWRONG]

Truth can be a painful thing to swallow for many people here. While Sony trolls MS about what the PS4 wont do. MS shows everyone what the X1 can do, and Sony has yet to top it. People can post specs and talk dreams all they like. You can't beat "EYES" they win every time.

[lilbrat23]

But they are right there is NOTHING better on the system then just TWO games..LMAO Sorry but Ryse not for me nor Forza NEXT.

[jon1234]

although i prefer the ps4 over the xb one, i hate the argument people bring up saying, that the ps4 is 40 percent more powerful... i think thats a stupid argument, and power of a console doesnt make good games...

[NightStalker33]

Holy crap, is that a triforce I see?

[fooltheman]

@jokes on you:

Triangles aren't polygons...

[CJDUNCAN]

I thought it was 50%? Either way I still doubt it, considering we don't know everything about the tech in the X1. However, most of us couldn't care less :), just bring on the games.

[antbolton89]

That's funny everything i've heard about Ryse has been negative

[AznGaara]

I don't see how people are so into that game. It doesn't look at all good to me.

[isa_scout]

The only people that are excited for Ryse are the people who haven't had the chance to play the God of War series. Sure Ryse has pretty graphics, but hell God of War 3 looks amazing still, and it's gameplay takes a dump all over Ryses from what I've seen and read. If I were an Xbox user, I'd focus more on talking about TitanFall and DR3. As they are the only games that look amazing(in my opinion anyway)on the Xbox One so far. Thats why I'm waiting until Halo 5 to get my Xbox One.

[Lord_Sloth]

It doesn't look that good. Graphically it's pretty (still not the prettiest but whatevs) but Cry doesn't make very stand out games beyond the visuals and Second Son still looks better, looks more fun, has better animations, AND is open world.

[nosferatuzodd]

mee too but dont tell them that

[OlgerO]

Infamous and killzone look much better then any xbox one exclusive

[alb1899]

both are boring games for my taste, the only exclusive games that looks really fun until now are Rising dead and Titan Fall.....my opinion!

[pyramidshead]

That was probably the multiplayer which was a huge cluster fuck of bugs and dreadful animations and looked no where near the single player standard. But on that note, check out the single player it's the exact opposite.

[monkeyDzoro]

Graphicly it's not that impressive compared to other "nextgen" games BUT I hav to admit they have good facial animations in that game.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Have u seen the game with your own two eyes? The people who have actually seen and played it say the complete opposite.

[SpitFireAce85]

The problem is that Ryse won't sell on the xb1 it's not a shooter .

[BallsEye]

That's funny. All the articles say different. What you read is N4G comments from people who didn't play it, so no wonder.

[Azfargh]

well did not read much about it, but even as a faithful Sony fanboy, I wish Ryse... but still think that KZSF multiplayer is just awesome.

[Elit3Nick]

Strange the only people that said anything negative about the game are those that didn't even try it and are judging it from what they say. Most people that actually played it said that it's not the QTE fest that you guys claim it is

[SpideySpeakz]

Yes, it looks like a repetitive game for sure.
But I think MS is talking about the graphics, because the gameplay looks awful.

[CJDUNCAN]

Ryse is just a cool exclusive to launch a console with. Undoubtedly after a playthrough it will end up in a box collecting dust or traded in, but it's a great first impression.

And I've had the opportunity to play the GoW series, I don't understand how Ryse and GoW are being compared.

[Chuk5]

hahaha

*laughs self to sarcastic grave*

[ABeastNamedTariq]

Ermm.. DriveClub, Infamous, Killzone, The Order? Okay MS.

[Benchm4rk]

The only thing shown from the Order was a CGI trailer. Let's keep this relevant to games we have actually seen in game graphics on like the first 3 you mentioned

[ABeastNamedTariq]

http://www.playstationlifes...

"And this is the first time we feel that we would be able to…have exactly a 1:1 experience from cinematic to gameplay. And as you can see is in-game, it’s in-engine, and it’s going to be running like this on the game itself and you won’t see any breaks, any change in models, or anything like that. We wanted to make a seamless experience all the way through."

What were you saying? Just a CGI trailer? Nah my man, that's just how good it looks.

[patsrule316]

While the Order trailer wasn't gameplay, it wasn't CGI, either. It was "In Engine". I would still like to see gameplay too, but it was not CGI.

[Benchm4rk]

Yeah sorry saying CGI was inaccurate. But In engine does not mean in game. There will be a difference. Many games show in engine graphics and the in game graphics don't match. Anyone remember the in engine Madden trailer that was shown for the 360 back in 2005?? In game was drastically different

[BallsEye]

@ABeastNamedTariq
Oh yea, Killzone 2 guys at e3 said the same when presenting CGI. Killzone Shadow Fall still doesn't even come close to that CGI demo.

Besides, when someone says IN-ENGINE, it's still a cinematic, pre-recorded with better cloth physics, hair , post processing, etc etc but looks way better than actual gamepaly.

[Rainstorm81]

That 2006 madden trailer wasnt in-engine at all....It was a CG trailer,target footage trailer...Similar to the CG trailer for Killzone 2 in 06

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Hercules189]

When your console is supposedly 40% more powerful of course those games are going to be about equal to MS's games, but from what I've seen from MS's studios they're about the same besides art styles.Tech wise, Quantum break is not much different from the order besides being a bit more of a pixar style. Ryse is looking better and better each day, while Killzone is the opposite. Compare the announcement of killzone gameplay to E3 gameplay, look at the armor textures filled with jaggies. And theres no excuse for deep down looking like a current gen game if its releasing next yr. The division is releasing next fall and looks ready now.

[Kayant]

^ The E3 trailer was the SP. All game footage from then on has been MP. Ryse is looking better SP wise but MP looks rather rough atm.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

Did you just say that Deep Down looks like a current gen game?

Everything you say is invalid, man. Smh.

[WeAreLegion]

That announcement "trailer" wasn't a trailer. It was someone playing Killzone: Shadow Fall live, on stage.

[Hercules189]

@Beast, I was talking about the short gameplay videos they recently released, youve seen it right. Looks no where even close to the announcement trailer.

[MysticStrummer]

"theres no excuse for deep down looking like a current gen game"

No need to read your comments ever again...

[sweendog]

@Herules189

All killzone videos since the announcement have been filmed off screen with a cam corder shown on youtube. You should read what people who played it thought instead of judging a youtube clip

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Mannnn....that second trailer they showed of deep down was horrible....pissed me OFF!

[Ohlmay]

Quantum Break was in-engine and look far better than The Order.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Very true! I was excited for the order, but amazed by the visuals of quantum break

[CrossingEden]

I love how we've seen absolutely NO gameplay from the order yet people are praising it. Yet when xbox fans praise sunset overdrive, all we hear is "durr, they didit sho no gamezplayz"

[ABeastNamedTariq]

I never said anything about SO. It looked fun and interesting. Don't lump me in with everybody else. I'm liking The Order for the graphics, concept, and reputation so far. And RAD made some great GOW games so hopefully the gameplay will be top notch as well.

[Godmars290]

Because there's been no evidence, no self realization, that you have narrow vision. Don't see things you don't want to.

[GarrusVakarian]

Infamous Second Son and Killzone look JUST as good (if not better, especially Killzone) as those 2 games (although i do have to admit Forza 5 looks AMAZING)

The proof is in the gameplay, not what MS or Sony say. In my opinion, Killzone Shadowfall is the best looking next gen game by far, and the fact its 1080p 60fps makes it even more impressive.

[Benchm4rk]

Single player is 30fps, I think its only the MP that was running at 60fps and even that was quoted as being a "soft 60fps" meaning it could fluctuate from 30-60fps

[GarrusVakarian]

I know the singleplayer is 30fps, because they are dropping the frames for more visual fidelity so it will look even better than the MP, which already looks amazing (graphically).

[monkeyDzoro]

Yeah... and MS is struggling and making big compromises on KillerInstinct to make it run at 1080p60fps on a nextgen system (search for KI articles)... a simple combat game, there arent able to run it seamlessly... yeah sooo nextgen their system. -__-

[cfir]

Killer Instinct was dropped to 720p to maintain 60fps

[sync90]

All of your comments are so fanboyish. grow up!

[Kingthrash360]

i agree all the way. forza looks great....so does killzone and infamous.
but at the end of the day its gameplay im most concerned about. ive played crysis 2&3 and while beautiful they where not so great in gameplay...(not bad but not great...imo) and to thats important....and ive seen ryse and it looks ok but the gameplay looks weak...you seen how the ai just sits there waiting for you...or how sluggish it is? forza is xbox launch game that can be great.....ill take killzone over that tho with a free driveclub.

[SeraphimBlade]

I need a chair and some popcorn. Don't get started without me, comments section.

Oh boy, Dis gon b gud!

[SonyNGP]

I love it when people get so pissed over PR talk.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

I don't see anything better than current gen because I do not own either console or next gen game yet!!! XD

[SatanSki]

Buy a pc ;-)

[TimeSkipLuffy]

Why should I? For me gaming started with a PC but I got tired with (graphic) driver problems and hardware upgrades. I've spent in PCs way more than I did with all my consoles together. And I own MS, Sony and BigN Consoles and handhelds.

And the fun is still the same. Does not matter if I play a game on a friends 2000€ PC or my 200€ PS3. At least for me I can have fun on both ^^

[Angeljuice]

Yes because PC is the pinnacle of gaming (wait a minute, isn't Diablo 3 supposed to be much better on consoles, go figure).

[SatanSki]

Easy there hehe, havent you noticed ";-)"? Use whatever platform you prefer.

@Angel: Diablo 3 isnt a benchmark for anything. It was medicore on pc becouse it was designed with consoles in mind in the first place. They want to sell every one a second copy.

Besides Nightmare said he didnt see anything better then current gen. I saw several tittles on PC.

[Deividas]

Wow...I was beginning to being somewhat happy for MS getting back in the game, and now their arrogance is starting up again. This is how you got into this mess in the first place!!! By thinking your hot shit and can do whatever you want and will still be on top, one of the many reason why I am switching to PS this time around. Ugh

[hankmoody]

After all the kicking that MS has received while it was down, I'm glad to see them taking the fight back to Sony. Come on, man. Who doesn't love an underdog? Didn't you ever see Rocky? ;)

[Elit3Nick]

So because they show their opinion for their games for basically the first time since the reveal suddenly it's arrogance, okay there... >.> It's funny that if Sony says the exact same then it's praised. I'm not bashing sony or anything, but you guys are so closed minded that it's sad...

[Deividas]

Its not an opinion on their games, its pretty much an attack on Sonys games. Did not need to mention competition. And a company that pretty much has screwed themselves pretty bad, should not be taking shots at anyone and just focus on getting the consumer to "like them" again. And trying to attack competition is not the way to do it.

[Elit3Nick]

Yes it is, the comment was from a single MS employee, but whoever posted this made it sound like it was a comment from MS itself. BTW don't give me the "it's an attack on Sony" BS Sony's been attacking MS through official statements more time than I can count, a company should keep a professional attitude, but it sounds as if Sony hired a bunch of hardcore fanboys to make the statements

[ALLWRONG]

Are you seriously calling MS arrogant after Sony's E3 and Gamescom presentations? Sony spent half the time talking about MS. And since when has truth become arrogance? MS isn't lying. Right now Xbox One games look visually better than those on the PS4. It's just a fact that PS fans aren't willing to accept.

[thehitman]

I think the only MS exclusive that may sell well is Titan Fall everything else will sell underwhelming and most sales on xb1 will go to cod, bf4 and the sport games.

[mcstorm]

I have to disagree with that comment. People who are looking at getting a xbox one and PS4 are getting it for the exclusives so Forza, Ryse, KZ ect will be the better sellers on these consoles. Most people who want COD and BF4 will get it on the PS3 and 360. Look at the WiiU for example the best selling games on the WiiU were the exclusives around 3 quarters of the console owners got MarioU.

I do think it is funny how people on here are going on about what game looks best. Who really cares buy the game you want and leave people to get what they want it is really that simple.

[thehitman]

Contrary to what you may believe because you are on n4g a lot, just like me there are millions of people who always want the next thing regardless of what is going to be on it. I have friends who dont know what Ryse is and dont play forza but hey they had 360s and will get the next xbox ASAP. Its gaureteed that most of the sales this holiday will be to 3rd party studios like EA, Ubi, Activision. I think it will be the same for the PS4 with the only exception that KZ will do very well. Besides that I dont see any exclusive hitting blockbuster numbers.

[mcstorm]

I see if different from my side. All the people I know who are getting a xbox one or PS4 are getting it on day one for one of the exclusives the people who want COD, BF4, Fifa ect are getting it for there current gen consoles as they want the game for £45 rather than buying a new console for £300 to £450 + the game.

It is the gamers who want the consoles now not the none gamers.

[thehitman]

@MC the only people who wont be buying those games mainly on xb1/ps4 are because of either A. They lucked out and couldnt get one do to high demand and limited supply or B. Just cant afford (kids most likely who have to wait for parents). It wont be because they simply choose to play last gen quality games. Trust me people talk and when 1 guy is like fuk ya look how nice this looks and look how crappy yours look or look at the extra things I can do others will want the same. When the ps3 came out I didnt want to play NBA 2k on my ps2 I wanted a ps3 for that game I even bought Madden twice. If you think people only care about exclusives you are far from right.

[skydragoonity]

Microsoft keep telling yourself that..

[pyramidshead]

I'll respectfully disagree with that statement. Each to their own, me thinks :P.

[user7402931]

hell, god of war 3 looks like it has better graphics then ryse.

[skydragoonity]

I thought only me noticed this? Even last of us looks better.

[user7402931]

uncharted 1 looks better. you dont even have to mention god of war 3.

[starchild]

You console kids are completely out of touch with reality. Delusional.

You have no clue about how to judge game graphics. That is obvious based on your comments.

[patsrule316]

I think the animation is bad in Ryse...very herky jerky from what I saw. But the graphics themelves look very good to me. I think the art is terrific, but the motion is a big problem.

[thehitman]

I the the animation and the gameplay are lacking and IGN apparently even said it has graphic issues w/ texture popping. If texture popping still exists thats a VERY bad sign when it releases. Just will show how lacking in bandwidth that 8g of DDR3 is for actual games. Im still confused what MS was thinking using that type of ram mainly.. its like me adding another 4-8gigs of ram on my PC thinking my games will look better.

[Elit3Nick]

I agree that the animation look very "pop in" hopefully they are smoothed out before release

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

that animation is PISSING ME OFF!

[hankmoody]

Forza blows away Drive Club from all the reports that I've heard/ read. But remember folks, at the end of the day it's the gameplay that's important, not the graphics.

[user7402931]

driveclub makes forza 5 look like a 360 game.

[hankmoody]

Can you send me a link to wherever it is you order the stuff you're drinking/smoking? I want to live outside of reality also. ;)

[windblowsagain]

Forza5 is a 360 game with added texture/higher rez assets. Everything else looks the same to me.

DRIVECLUB is all realtime.

[sync90]

Forza....the cod of racing games. same game they've been pumping out on 360 but with better gfx. y7awn! yawn! yawn!

[insomnium2]

@hank

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

I can't think of anyone who could be as cocky as you are using cartoon Forza as your weapon.

Seriously just look at that link I provided and share your thoughts people.

[SpideySpeakz]

Let's be clear. DC is a arcade racer. Forza is a simulation. These are two totally different genres you're comparing. The physics on the cars are going to be vastly different. You literally can't compare the two. GT6 is the one you should be comparing it with.

[MightyNo9]

M$ are blind.

[Funantic1]

Yeah the the PS4 and X1 games look about the same so far. The ones that stand out graphically are Quantum Break, Destiny, and Forza 5. The rest look current gen but could be fun.

[Utalkin2me]

Please link me to a gameplay video of quantum break. I can not find one i have been searching and no luck.

[Funantic1]

Maybe you've seen some but thought all of it was just cinematic cut scenes.

[insomnium2]

@fun

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Utalkin2me]

@Funantic1

Nice couldn't reply with a link. So my statement hold valid until proved otherwise.

[LordMaim]

Stop looking at the Wii U Microsoft. The PS4 is over here.

[mohuz2]

Forza and Ryse aren't better than Xenoblade and Smash Bros.

[AznGaara]

Wind Waker HD looks better than both of those. Sorry I prefer artstyle over the amount of polygons :)

[grimmweisse]

Put it this way, MS wouldn't come out and say their console is at a disadvantage or games on other platforms will look better. That would be suicide for any company. The rhetoric from MS is to make as much hype and noise as they can before release, Where the Ps4 already has the momentum thanks to initial Xbox One policies and unveiling

[Kayant]

In terms of launch titles I think KZ SP will look better than Ryse SP. Forza 5 will probably like better than Drive club but I don't think it will be by that much and Driveclub is doing more things than Forza.

But looking at the new I:SS off-screen pics it will better than any of the above.

[u got owned]

I wouldn't be so sure.

Direct feed.

http://i7.minus.com/ibkQb1C...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

game is an aliasing mess

Any game looks good with bull shots.

[insomnium2]

"Any game looks good with bull shots."

Geow?

[windblowsagain]

That is upscaled from a video.

Already seen it.

Looks nothing like that in action.

It's as smooth as a babies bum.( not all babies of course)

[badkolo]

first of all ryse is day 1, and killzzone,infamous is not.

so lets not jump the gun
killzone looks great, i love it, rryse looks great, i love it, driveclub not so much, forza looks sick and that is a fact

[grassyknoll]

Killzone ShadowFall is a launch game.

[ziggurcat]

infamous is not day one, but killzone is.

and driveclub looks better than forza, sorry.

[Quicktopick]

"first of all ryse is day 1, and killzzone,infamous is not."

Hhahahahahahahahhahahahaha. But Killzone is.

[sync90]

hahaha owned!

[insomnium2]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Fact F5 looks like a cartoon compared to driveclub.

[u got owned]

Funny because F5 looks better on those gif you posted and you can't really see it at 1080p 60 FPS on those gif either which makes it even better.

Advise, don't compare a 720p 30fps game with a full HD 60fps game it make you look desperate.

[GraveLord]

I noticed that too. Forza's colors are articifical. I guess its all about the lighting. Forza's is pre-baked while Driveclubs is Dynamic.

[6DEAD6END6]

That's funny because last time I checked Killzone: Shadow Fall looks better then all their launch titles and InFamous: Second Son blows everything else away even more.

[JAT2304]

I thought there was game that looked better than Ryse or Forza ....Oh yeah The Last of Us!

[avangerironman]

Infamous looks much better then any xbox one exclusive games :) and when Naughty Dog's game comes then game over Microsoft. you just cannot beat Naughty Dog :)

[Steezo]

Watch_Dogs?! That 14 minute gameplay preview yesterday looked great!

[Lboogieskells]

Ryse is the worst looking next gen when it comes to gameplay though. Forza looks great, but I really would like to play it first.

[insomnium2]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Why do people say F5 looks great is beyond me.

[Lboogieskells]

It's pretty, but I'm not impressed by the gameplay. Forza looks like the Spiritual successor to Ridge Racer.

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

LMAO oh that a good MS oh man... stop drinking the koolaid MS...

[AllroundGamer]

and then the sale numbers come up and MS will be very quiet...

[hraac]

Official: I look at games like Ryse, I look at Forza, and I don’t see anything better on a competing platform than what I’m seeing there.” - Penello, personal opinion

N4G filter: "Microsoft: We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms"

[Elit3Nick]

This site is an absolute joke, xbox people aren't allowed to their own opinions and the mods give pro-xbox articles titles that makes MS seem arrogant, welcome to N4G...

[GraveLord]

What are you talking about? The title on N4G is a copy & paste from the website it links to.

And there's really do difference in what messaging. Both the actual quote and the title on the article give the same message.

@Elit3Nick
Mods aren't the only ones who can submit articles. So can you. Mods don't assign titles to articles.

[tarbis]

Albert Penello is Microsoft’s director of product planning. He holds a key position in the company. He's not some random guy in the streets that you can consider as a random opinion. What he says is as good as the company's. Very much like Yoshida. Himself and his words, comments, opinions or whatever comes out of his mouth or tweeter represents Sony. So, these guys need to watch what they say.
Remember Don Mattrick with the submarine thingie?

[Lboogieskells]

I don't understand the comparison between two games that are not finished. But I'll entertain this, So far between Forza and Driveclub. Driveclub looks better in every way to me.

Not to mention Forza has no weather, the real time shadows in Driveclub look amazing on the canada track (Every tree, thousands cast it's own real time shadows) very impressive. My thoughts on Forza, it looks very shiny.

[Thisisjuju]

This article is just flame bait.

[FANTA1180]

the FORZA series has been owning every car simulator game in the market and i dont say that in a bias way i own the last few gran turismo's and they pale in comparison, and ryse's last few videos show some promising gameplay and gorgeous graphics.

and both are day one games.

now i just need them in my hands.

[solidjun5]

Well what do you expect him to say?
If you want the games, you'll buy them and enjoy them.
I did hate when people say "X1 launch is clearly better than PS4 lineup." No it's not. Both will be enjoyable at launch.

[gdguide]

They have a point with Forza 5. Until GT6 or GT7 comes out on the PS4 (some time in 2020), this will be the console racer to beat IMO.

As for Ryse? Uggghhh... What a mess. Is anyone expecting that to average above a 7/10?

[WeAreLegion]

Honestly, Forza 5 was ahead of Driveclub for a long time there. However, the new direct feed Driveclub gameplay seems to paint a different picture. Don't forget: This is Evolution. The last few months of development are all about the graphics.

Expect Driveclub to, at the very least, be on-par with Forza 5, graphically.

[Benchm4rk]

Lol at all the fanboys on here saying last of us looks better than next gen games. Its a pretty game yes but take the Sony blindfolds off will you. There will come a time in life when you will go through a thing called puberty. Your body will undergo some drastic changes. And over the years your mind and how you view life will also change. Once you reach this point your mind will become clearer to many things in life and you will realise how ridiculous you sound.

[stuna1]

So I take it you haven't reached puberty as of yet!? The Last of Us is definitely offering some tight competition to Ryse, and there no if and, or buts about it! The fact that a game on a 7 year old last gen console, could be comparable to a game on a next gen console...... Well it speaks for itself! Killzone SF is definitely doing it up in graphics, Ryse looks really good, but take notice my observation is subjective, even though I think Killzone SF looks better.

[Benchm4rk]

Haha I've got kids that have reached puberty mate. There is an if. There is a and and there is a but. Last of us is pretty yes. But it is in no way better looking than any next gen game. Like I said it is a nice looking game and for what it is and the fact its running on a 7 year old console is a testament to the talented studio and developers that made it.But there is more to next gen games than just frame rates and polygon counts. Wait til next gen games actually come out and you see them running in person if you have a half decent TV that is. These videos online are not doing any of these next gen games justice. I'm speaking for all next gen platforms too. I am in no way a fanboy. I'm just a game fan in general and its that reason alone that I can say things with out making ridiculous claims about last gen games. It is just downright ridiculous, no ifs, ands, or buts about it ;-)

[stuna1]

@Bencm4ark

"Haha I've got kids that have reached puberty mate." Well that's good for you mate! Since you're the one slinging the "Puberty" analogy around, you for one should understand how childish it sounds!

But just on my comment re-read what I wrote, and then come back and comment.

[filipakos]

Yet.Those games microsoft showed as xbox one exclusives were xbox 360 exclusives to begin with.Saying xbox one got games but in the other side nothing comes to 360 this year just GoW for now.....

[ziggurcat]

MS saying that their games look the best? i've never heard them say that, ever, in the entire history of the xbox. /sarcasm

[hollabox]

I'm looking forward to Ryse myself, too bad I didn't pre order the XB1 for this year. With that said Killzone series is pretty ham average with KZ3 being the highlight. PS2 version sucked, KZ 2 controls were awful with lag issues causing hand fatigue. Killzone 3 is the best in the series so far, I liked it until the final battle in space. Very lackluster ending to otherwise an decent game.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

I can see ryse and knack becoming bargain bin games about six months after release, knack even sooner.

[strigoi814]

Microsoft open those eyes..

[Ratty]

That's their opinion. I don't see anything good when I look at Ryse or Forza.

[urwifeminder]

Have to agree with the article not seeing anything about playstation games sure the free to play but been there done that just my opinion seems more hype dissing the xb1 I think gamers prefer it to diss and play.

[mhunterjr]

Sony's launch exclusives don't look better than Microsoft's... that's a fact. They have some good looking games down the line, but day one I'd just a bunch of Indies and killzone...

[ivnheim]

Of course they are going to say that, it is their job to mock the competition to make look the Xbox One as something valuable.

Everyone that is informed in the matter know that as some of the games for Xbox One do look nice, they are not the best games out there.

The only one that truly looks good is Titanfall and been an EA game i am sure that sooner than later we'll be seen that game on PS4.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

titanfall will be fun to play, of that I'm sure, but it is butt ugly. it has the same color palette as gears of war and that engine (outdated) is not helping matters.

[JuniorCE]

Twice the pride, double the fall...
Honestly, I don't see any game better looking than Killzone Shadow Fall!

[jonboi24]

I more excited for Sony's indie game catalog than Ryse or Forza. Rime a game I know nothing about has me more excited.

[christocolus]

nice. cant wait to see how awesome halo5 will look.

[Bennibop]

I do

[WeAreLegion]

I'm sure that's why inFamous: Second Son is being hailed as the best looking next generation title...

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Any of you guys who say killzone in general is generic is a tool.

You could say kz3 was more generic yes

But the way Kzsf looks no

And the way kz2 was and how many things it brought the the console GPS this gen no way in hell.

[DevilishSix]

I was excited on the Roman premise for Ryse, but honestly that game has some major gameplay issues that I don't see being fixed in less than two months. I have a feeling Ryse is going to Fall hard critically and commerically.

[IQUITN4G]

Killzone support amazes me. Every Killzone game people regularly group on here together singing it's praises. Each time it's apparently the best thing on the planet but then when it comes to actually buying the games, well you lot don't seem interested at that point. And sales don't show any sort of a massive following. It shows how much of a minority we are on places like this against the bigger picture

Killzone 2 onwards has always been accomplished technically and it's also a solid game for the most but that's about all it is

[Harkins1721]

Obviously there going to be blind to there own games. But Killzone looks amazing and Drive Club doesnt have that rubber feel Forza has.

[modesign]

i wonder if the micro PR reps an heads will resign when ryse get poor ratings and poor sales,

[Ctiboi2010]

Quite honestly it shouldn't be a big deal whether it'd be Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo bragging about their systems and the games. Shouldn't each company have pride in their product? If I went to a car dealership and the salesperson had no faith in what they were selling me I probably would be less inclined to buy the car.

It's our job to formulate an opinion when the games come out and we get a chance to play them. And besides, if I read the article correctly, this was just the opinion of Albert Panello, why can we not respect the fact that he has pride in the company he works for along with the product it is selling? That should be normal. If you ask me my thoughts on the Navy I'll say I love it every single time.

Everyone here should be entitled to an opinion and if you notice from the comments, bashing each other goes nowhere to changing that persons mind about what they like. Everyone here just gets defensive and returns fire. It amazes me how difficult it is for some people to give credit to these games and platforms.

Both the Xbox One and the PS4 will be great. Be happy they are offering different experiences for us to enjoy. Killzone, Forza, Infamous: SS, Dead Rising, Battlefield, Titanfall, etc. all look ridiculously good. A lot of planning and work went into these games so to disregard what makes these games special is crazy to me. Just enjoy what you like and let others do the same.

[CGI-Quality]

Of course. I mean, nobody with an ounce of sense expected them to say Killzone and DriveClub look better.

[Clarence]

Opinions may vary.

[AirJohnston]

inFamous looks better than any other next-gen game.

[EdoubleD]

Yeah? No.

[pop-voxuli]

Hey M$, the Ouya isn't your competition, the PS4 is, I'll give you a sec to soak it in....... Yep, there it is and now you see that there is far superior stuff on the competing platform.

You're welcome.

[bromtown]

Ryse looks far too shiny, that's a world without mud, dust or moss. The Perfect Dark Zero of the Xbox One. Forza looks good but it's just not real. Everything's too shiny and vibrant which makes it look worse in my opinion and the trackside stuff (buildings, tents etc) is shocking for next gen . I think Need For Speed running on the frostbite engine looks better.

[thebudgetgamer]

When did Microsoft hire Mr Magoo for the Xbox division.

[thexmanone]

The same time they hired Mr Magee for the Sony division.

[thebudgetgamer]

?????

[Chris12]

Another day, another bunch of nerdy Internet keyboard warriors posting crap about consoles they don't intend to buy. Get a life.

[Jamaicangmr]

Then what is your purpose here wise and oh so elevated one?

You just show that you are worse that those you tried to belittle.

[Chris12]

Funnily enough, info on next gen. I don't need to belittle anyone, most are doing a good job of embarrassing themselves. Pathetic.

[Jamaicangmr]

Discussions is why they allow comments on articles specially on this site. Now without counter points it really isn't much of a discussion.

If you don't like it then just don't comment. However making such and idiotic comment only serves to shed a light on your limited intellect.

Anyway have a good day sir.

[MotherLight]

Lol people are still talking up Ryse... I thought those multiplayer videos really would have opened peoples eyes by now for what the game truly is.

Forza 5 also. No night racing, no weather, baked lighting, 2D flat environmental backgrounds.. Seriously what is so intriguing about a game that isn't doing anything new besides what you would expect from a new racing game?

I guess the term ignorance is bliss didn't come from no where.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

They both look phenomenal but after seeing KZ3 and Second Son I think you need tone down the rhetoric. His comment wasn't as harsh as this article makes it sound.

[Flames76]

Damn no doubt about that Ryse and Forza 5 kills everything the PS4 has at at launch

[Kidmyst]

Of Course MSFT will say this. Now if critis across the industry say it then it will have some different ground. but on the other hand, a great looking game means jack if it's over in a few short hours or plays like garbage.

[mxrider2199]

lols the xbox fanboys coming to microsofts defense taking 1 little part of each game and comparing it to a weaker part of a ps4 exclusive BUBUT ryze has 150 k polys (triangles not polys) and kz only has 40k for ai... comparing 3rd person main character to random NPC ya... whatever makes you sleep at night Quantum breaj has the best graphics ever... what happened to alan wake? had the best graphics amazing story line great gameplay suppose to be better than UC2 and it was worse than lair LOLS

[UnHoly_One]

I keep finding less reason to keep my PS4 pre-order. There is nothing to play until infamous comes out, anyway.

And MS is right. So far XB1 games look better.

I'm finding it quite hilarious watching all the "greatness awaits" fanboys coming up with excuses why their "40% more powerful" console can't match up with that inferior "cable box" console.

I was happy with the XB1 knowing I'd have the best controller, the best dashboard UI, and the best online service. But I'll gladly take better graphics, too.

Funny.

[Godz Kastro]

@unholy

The system is clearly not 40% stronger. You can run those numbers through the mill all day but the proof is in the pudding. The games... Right now they look better on MS.

If this system had 40% more power why are the games not looking 40% better :/

[BG11579]

People that are going to buy Ryse are so going to be disappointed...

[Godz Kastro]

BG, why is that? You must have infinite knowledge to make claims on behalf of the masses.

[AfterThought]

He is right. Just about anyone who has actually played that game at any of these previous conferences or gatherings all said the exact same thing.

The game is way over hyped and not nearly as good as people are trying to make it seem.

You know what though just like BG I really don't care. If you like it and want to buy it, fine I will let the game speak for itself but I doubt any of you people would ever come to back to admit any of us were actually right in warning you ahead of time.

[Lulz_Boat]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH yeah yeah yeah.... LOL

[Godz Kastro]

I 100% agree that they clearly have an advantage in the graphics department at this point. Hmmmm...wondering where this additional 40% power is going. If this was the case PS4's games would look significantly better but that is not the case. Sorry, but none of their games are showing off this theoretical number.

[horndog]

He's riht. There isn't anythi on the ps4 that looks like 40% more than hat xbox has. Killzone is a snooze fest. This series should have died last gen because not even the best graphics can sav this pathetic excuse for a halo killer. A halo killer they called it lol!!! Not even close.

[bromtown]

I think people see Xbox games and think clean and shiny = better. When Forza 6 comes out and has a proper dev cycle you'll look at 5 and realise it's just a shiny next gen car on a 360 grade track.

[plaZeHD]

Ryse looks horrible. And Forza 5 is pre baked.

[H0RSE]

In the context I read his quote, he wasn't boasting that Ryse and Forza are better looking than any other game, but rather that when compared to top contenders, like KZ, Ryse and Forza (at least for the initial launch batch) are top tier games in terms of visuals, and he's right. Games like KZ are equally as impressive, but like he said, it's about what he "sees." KZ could be performing a million and a half extra operations in the background, but the end result is largely the same - a visually stunning game.

Much of the debate over which games looks best has to do with aesthetics - the art direction, the theme, the sounds, etc. and when comparing Ryse and KZ in this regard, they are like night and day and where much of the subjective aspect of the debate lies. They are both beautiful looking games, yet in different ways, and this is what I think Penello's point was - that games like Ryse or Forza are pretty much setting the standard on what to expect from a graphically impressive title, regardless of system.

[UsernameOfTheDead]

Says this guy.

[corvusmd]

Just read the article, well said sir, exactly my point. Most people that comment on the hardware specs aren't engineer's and the guys at MS don't work at Sony...well said. The proof is in the pudding, and so far it's true, nothing on PS4 looks better so far than those two titles....games everywhere are looking awesome. I like this article...the title here comes off as a little conceited, it makes it sound like he was being a jerk when he said that, but if you read the actual quote....

[vigilante_man]

Some people only see what they want to see...

[Godz Kastro]

@vigilante

Goes both ways...

[vigilante_man]

That's what I meant.

MS exec is not going see a better PS4 game and a Sony exec is not going see a better XB1 game.

Same for the fans of specific systems. Some will see games through green or blue eyes whilst others will just see great games regardless.

[Godz Kastro]

Ok dude, good point.

[vigilante_man]

Hey, good back up from you too!

Edit: I know I get the last word here 'cause you are out of bubbles (lol).

[meday354]

It all boils down to gameplay, thats the most important factor when it comes to videogames. That guy is talking pr talk as usual.

[Scatpants]

Thats weird, because I don't see anything worse than Ryse.

[thetruthx1]

So I just checked out the latest Killzone multiplayer gameplay and not only are the graphics overrated but the animations are pretty bad

Ryse looks way more fun and the graphics are top notch

And what is up with that weird chirp after you get a kill? Lol

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Love the game...hate the chirp,wish it was a way we could mute it or something.

[Dakriz]

Hello if I was making a Wii I'd say it looks better than anything ever created, who Is so stupid to think Sony MS or anybody would talk negative of there products. Let's all grow up and be realistic this is not news just boring flame bait.

[zodiac909]

wow 2 games, 2 genres, anything else?

[joefrost00]

Sony fanboys are so pathetic
I didnt read not one comment but I know its not that many xbox fans on N4g
To take up 3pages of comments so I will guess that 75% of the comments are sony fanboys trolling again lol

[_FantasmA_]

Somebody loves the smell of their own ass. M$ has always had pricks for its PR like Nelson, Mattrick, etc. These people don't know what class is. They act like a bunch of children.

[medman]

More marketing bulls@#$ from Microsoft. What a bunch of mindless trolls. They lie so much, they don't even know where the truth begins anymore.

[KILLERAPP]

Can't wait for the comparison in Nov, am grabbing my popcorn... Is going to be a war...

[Asv6SEMPER]

Microsoft again with his extreme arrogancy, remember Halo 1 "BEST FPS EVER" ? didn't they got deadly humiliated from pc player after saying that ? And we know that its enterly the opposite case: a gladioator game, a shitty very cliché-looking zombie game with no taste and finally the old Forza franchise wich is going to go like Cod with one forza each year.

That's what they have to offer for their One ?

[Gamer666]

I showed 10 non-gamers images from both consoles...

None saw any significant detail differences between the two sets of PS4 and X1 images....

[thecowsaysmoo]

Rise honestly looks like shit. I mean I never seen gaming websites shit on a game during a preview. Hell, Lair was praised during all of the previews.

[Belking]

Come on fanboys. Do you think he is actually gonna say that ps4 games look better. No, because if he did that he would be lying....lol

infamous look better than any other exclusive on ps4, but games like RYSE and forza look better IMO.

xbox-one

[Metfanant]

So...Fridgid...EliteGamer...Mi sterX...

Is Albert lying?...because Albert says that the doesn't think there will be any major differences between the PS4 and Xbone in terms of graphics...

But you guys keep telling us the Xbone has a second GPU that is going to allow these games to all be run in native 4k...

Who is lying?

[SITH]

Ryse looks amazing, and Forza looks legendary. This is going to be the most epic launch titles of a console I ever seen.

[smashcrashbash]

What I find funny about these statements is that I am not sure why anyone would think Microsoft would say anything else.What did you expect them to say?'Oh yeah those games on the Wii U and PS4 are awesome.No way we can compete with that.Tell you what buy them instead of the Xbox One'. Everyone will say their games are better and Microsoft ALWAYS lies,over-exaggerates or tell half truths about everything they do.They did it for years before and they still do it and people still eat up everything they say.

[Supermax]

Loud noises.i don't know why I'm yelling

[JunioRS101]

Penello shut your cool name havin ass up.

I don't understand how people can say things like this..?

Compare Infamous with Dead Rising (both open world games)

Compare KZ with Ryse (both action games)

Compare Forza 5 and GT6 (both racing games)
- yeah forza looks better but not by a whole lot and GT6 is on ps3 for cryin out loud

Like honestly I think for the very first wave of games there is already a noticeable difference. I have a PC and PC gamers will back me up here when I say we know how to look for graphics assets.

Console players who have never played crysis 3 or far cry 3 on ultra have not a clue what to look for when measuring visual fidelity in games.

Look for global illumination, geometry, texture reflection, physics simulation, particle effects, character animations. PS4 actually does have an advantage already and if you disagree then I'm guessing you don't have an expert eye for what makes a game "graphically impressive". You probably just see a game as a whole and think "ooo lens flares me likey"

[wannabe gamer]

I wonder what grocery store M$ got the paperbag that they have on their heads

[_FantasmA_]

Costhoe, they bought their egos in bulk.

[DarkAzureIIIX]

Someone is drinking the kool-aid, no offends to Albert Penello.

[Mister_G]

Lol, in their totally unbiased opinion :)

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Microsoft really is looking like an arrogant @$$hole next-gen and it hasn't even started yet!

[SaturdayNightBeaver]

WTF is wrong with all of you? Just because ps4 has 1 or 2 or maybe 3 games less on launch , doesn't mean its worse console or idk. What about upcoming games ? What about in a year or two? I can't wait to see what MS gonna say then. I would even buy it if there is no single launch game. I still know there will be exclusives like MS and XBOX never had and probably won't ever.

[MRMagoo123]

So MS are talking up there system but in the mean time devs are talking up the ps4.

If this guy cant see how much better games like killzone and second son look compared to crap like the 10 fps DR3 and Ryse which is just plain bad , they need help.

[thexmanone]

Do you have a link that DR3 Runs at 10 fps. I never heard about that. And I just bought the game

[Foxgod]

Hes trolling, the game runs at 30 fps. The build at Pax showed that.
The E3 build was laggy, but the pax version was fixed.

Those fanboys like to cling on to negative things, instead of updating their knowledge with relevant more recent information.

[Foxgod]

I fully agree, and they are also technically more impressive.
Cant wait to play them.

[Reem]

Yup and the earth is flat. Ya keep telling yourself that, meanwhile kz has more preorders than all xbone exclusives combined haha

[sAVAge_bEaST]

not to mention, all of the Digital Copies, of KZ:SF,. that will be sold,.. It's the first game I'm gonna try that way,..

I want to see how jumping straight into Multiplayer is going to work. no download time, and choosing Multi DL.first, since it will have continued Map Pack support. for FREE.!

[noctis_lumia]

let those xbox fangirls enjoy that god of war QTE editon while they can

i know sony heavy hitters didnt drop the big guns yet (ms fangirls can talk once these studios show some games)

naughty dog
quantic dreams
santa monica

[Foxgod]

Ms didnt drop most their big guns either yet.

343
Black tusk
Remedy
Lionhead
Epic??

[_FantasmA_]

Naughty Dog and Santa Monica > all M$ studios combined.

[noctis_lumia]

buddy we all know who has the most AAA studios of the two

i just named three

media molicule
ready at down
japan studios
london studios
polyphonu digital

i can continue...

[iliimaster]

id be shocked if ryse looks better then GOW 3

[noctis_lumia]

i see kz:shadow fall,inrfalous,blacklight better than those xbox done games

and if i want a real simulator i wait next month for gt6

[arbitor365]

ryse is clunky garbage and isnt even impressive on a technical level.

Killzone shadowfall is more graphically impressive than anything we have seen on xbox one. period. and it will score higher reviews as well

[evilhasitsway]

ill say this ryes is the only game on x1 that I even like and the only reason I like it cause I love that era and shit and I wont be surprised if it makes to pc like most ms games do. ms calls them exclusives what like fable which made it to pc lol ill stick with my pc and ps4 for next gen just like I stuck with pc and ps3 this gen and played every game I wanted too.

[Reem]

I know it hurts ya fanboys but xbone is getting mauled

[BG11579]

By a giant black eraser!!

[jaren92]

The 360 had inferior hardware last gen did it matter at all no not at all

[josephayal]

Infamous Second son looks better :)

[JohnS1313]

Everything on the PS4 is better than those two games.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

driveclub is prettier and has a silky smooth framerate from every piece of video i seen

the multi player ALONE in killzone looked better graphically than anything i seen from the xone IMHO

infamous is the best looking open world game iv'e seen so far

the division was better looking than anything ive seen on xone,i know its multi,but ive only seen the ps4 foorage..

warframe i thought looked better than any xone game and that was only after a 3 month port over to ps4 devkits

from the way insiders/journalist described the order 1866 at the closed door gamecon screening,made it sound like they cummed their pants upon laying their eyes on the screen

xone has some very good looking stuff,but what happened is what we expected to see when you got a 50% more horse power gpu and an extra GB of ram to play with and a 8ACE'S 64 queues architecture for ridiculous efficiency and getting even more out of your system.. with that said,,ryse dr3 and forza are great looking games,just not the best looking

[uncharted56]

Lol the stupidity and fanboyism from both sides is funny. Witcher 3 is the best looking game to date. For XBone 1 it is Ryse and for PS4 technically it is Infamous:SS but for launch titles Killzone. Killzone has better looking enviornments, textures and lighting overall then Ryse plus it runs at 1080p at 60fps online. That is something. Both consoles look great though.

[Theendgame]

I almost forgot about that amazing game!

[Theendgame]

Killzone shadow and Infamous : second son say hiya.

Ryse is Infamous's equal in terms of graphics. Note* The destructable environments and particle effects in infamous.

Forza's car models look great and a bit better than Driveclub's but Forza isn't doing as much as Driveclub.(Forza needs better AA and tracks need higher res textures.)

Killzone shadow fall has no equal (Graphically) on these consoles.

The Xbox one games look good but apart from DR3 and Killer instinct, the Ps4 has a equal or a better looking game.

[AceBlazer13]

Well Microsoft,you aren't seeing much of anything other than crappy preorders now are you?

[BLAKHOODe]

IDK about that, Microsoft.. $399 looks a heckuva lot better than $499 to me.

[HeyYouGuyz]

They didn't look too hard then.....

[Chase51]

Ryse looks like a crap game compared to kill zone, and forza looks alright, never been big fan of racing games.

[larrym]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
There ya go N4G. Enjoy!!

[StifflerK]

That was awesome!

[joeorc]

@larrym

Sin is one of the best gamer video posters on youtube, also boogie and blunty all three are great gamer centric video posters. props for that.

[USMC_POLICE]

Gran turismo 6 looked better than forza.

[BIGBOSS08]

do you see the pre orders too microsoft?

[jakmckratos]

Forza is the same old same old. Ryse looks reeptive even without the QTE's. Driveclub actually appeals to people who don't necessarily like traditional racing games and if you think ANY game looks as nice as Infamous Second Son then I just question your functional level.

[Old_Boss_]

M$ fails

[ilovefatgirls]

'We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms'

>we also cant see the forest for the trees
>were beginning to realize the left doesn't know what the right is doing
>we don't know our arse from our elbow
i would expect these headlines soon

so much for microsoft thinking long term, they really just cannot get over themselves can they?
either put up or shut up.

[McScroggz]

Forza 5 is probably going to be fantastic; but Ryse...I'm just not seeing it. I mean the game does look pretty good, but I'd be really cautious if I were getting a Xbox One. Others have said the Ryse looks like this gen's Lair and I'm inclined to agree.

[Mcshepard]

To be fair, I'm more excited for Forza 5 than Drive Club, but only because it's the sequel to a series I'm already familiar with. Drive Club has shown a lot more off since it was announced.

Also, Ryse looks okay - pretty graphics, but I'm also a PC gamer so it doesn't really impress me.

However, Killzone: SF's multiplayer features look really interesting. Not only is it dedicated servers like KZ2, they're evolving the idea, making browsing servers a lot like browsing UCG in games like LBP. Brilliant.

Also Infamous: Second Son has persistent open-world damage. No game has ever done that before. Seriously, I don't know why they're not making a big deal out of this. Also, it's the best-looking open world game I've ever seen. Seriously, compare it to Watch Dogs. Second Son's particle effects are ridiculous.

So I can't really see how MS can be so proud of their launch lineup right now. This is all bluster.

[Edi007]

Gt 6, Infamous ss , killzone sf , deep down , the order............. and if we talk nintendo : mario kart 8 , x , ssb ,.......... ryse is a qte gameplay suck multiplayer like god of war...

[ballsohard2013]

ehhhhh... They sound super confident and a bit over confident in this article. Am I impressed with the PS4 launch titles... not at all. Besides Killzone, i much rather the X1 line up. Infamous looks like it coulda been done on the PS3.

But I more interested in what the following latter half of 2014 titles and beyond will look like. Once both developers learn the software... possibilities will be great!

[palaeomerus]

Ryse looks like a Roman Brawler action game that doesn't bother with the supernatural or monsters. I'm really just not interested in that at all whether it is good or not. If it were more of an rpg or a strategy then I might like it but as it...meh.

Forza is a racing sim type game and I've found out since Forza 2 that I don't really like sim racing.

So...whatever.

[Skeith]

Have you seen Killzone: Shadow Fall ???

[JuniorCE]

Honestly.... Killzone Shadow Fall is so far the prettiest game of all in this next gen... Fact... Just saying :-D

[Ricdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Next Gen doesn't seem sooo next gen compared to games already a year old.

[memots]

Ryyyyyyyyyyse racer ... **cricket**

[Marius_Titus]

Sony has no worthy exclusives to face me in the arena.

[wiz7191]

I dont get why fanboys are still arguing about which console is better just get what you prefer.. They both are great consoles , hell be a true gamer and get both

[svoulis]

Ok since people are arguing I am not going to say anything about the "graphics" aside from Microsoft stating a month ago that "graphics don't matter, its the experience" AND do you really think Microsoft would talk down their own console? Really?

Anyway here you go.

Dead Rising 3
http://imageshack.us/a/img4...

http://imageshack.us/a/img1...

Infamous Second Son.
http://i.imgur.com/1hQpjAB....

http://i.imgur.com/FQh0OjP....

Forza 5
http://imageshack.us/a/img8...

DriveClub
http://imageshack.us/a/img4...

Ryse Cinematic

http://imageshack.us/a/img5...

Infamous SS (possibly cinematic)

http://imageshack.us/a/img1...

Killzone Shadow Fall Multiplayer
http://imageshack.us/a/img5...

Now - rather then sit here and argue with obnoxious fanboys who spew their opinion and nothing factual. You guys decide.

[darksky]

To me most of the Xbox One games appear to have lower polygon counts as can be seen by the jagged edges in some of the character models. The Infamous SS shots show very high detailed models.

[slaton24]

who cares just get the system and games that you want and enjoy it. This arguing is not helping sony games or xbox games. I still play my sega and last I checked it was 16bit.

[Hellsvacancy]

436 comments, WOW, that's got to be a record for such a pointless article

[MohammedAlShalan]

It is simple

they just don't see it that way.