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Steam Survey: Most PC Gamers Have Weaker PCs Than PS4, Xbox One

Gaming Blend "Valve released a new survey for August detailing who is using what and how much. While a lot of the numbers aren't very surprising, the majority of the 50 million or so users of Steam seem to be slightly underpowered compared to what the next-gen consoles will be packing. "

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GDDR6_20143878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

In other news, most console gamers also have weaker consoles than ps4, Xbox one

And that won't change in 5 to 7 years

HammadTheBeast3878d ago

40% of PC gamers are also primarily League or DoTA players as well.

League runs on bad computers as well.

360ICE3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

No, 40% of PC gamers play Candy Crush and Farmville. Steam gamers are a different story. Different from City Story anyway.

JhawkFootball063878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@GDDR6_2014

Your comment makes no sense.

"Most console gamers also have weaker consoles than ps4, Xbox one"

- Well... yeah they are not released yet?

And what won't change in 5 to 7 years?

GDDR6_20143878d ago

^^

I meant most console gamers will still have weaker consoles than ps4/xb1 in the next 5-7 years, ps4/xb1 is not going to outnumber ps3/360/wii anytime soon

Aggesan3878d ago

@GDDR6_2014 With that logic PS2 is still the most played console today. Doesn't make sense, does it?

minimur123878d ago

My mum has a steam acount..... she uses it to play peggle.

blackmagic3878d ago

It makes sense to me, all the multiplatform pc titles for the last 6-7 years have been designed to run on ps3/360 too so the min requirements have been pretty low. With the new consoles, we're going to suddenly see some pretty horsepower intensive games coming to market which will inspire many to upgrade imho.

Rifkens3877d ago

Exactly, when competitive play is concerned, max fps is all that matters

slayorofgods3877d ago

Its a monthly survey and better to just look up yourself here
http://store.steampowered.c...

The article skews the information a bit.
They left out graphics cards for some reason on this last survey but the last I checked the average power is something comparable to a ati 5770. I don't even know how you can write an entire article without that information.

There is also a good reason why the average pc specs are what they are. It's because people don't upgrade their computers if their pc's can handle current games.

Personally I've eyed new upgrades. But with current games and the fact they still play well on my current build I've had little reason for the extra power. The PC upgrades will likely happen fast once the PS4 and XBone launch because games will also advance at a faster pace.

Murad3877d ago

Dude, Dota 2 will rape your GPU, trust me. Just because LoL is easy to play doesn't mean Dota 2 is, or even Dota.

CheexInk3877d ago

@Aggesan

Actually it makes perfect sense. The thing is they're lumping all PC gamers together. It's the same thing as lumping all console gamers together. What's the difference if I only play old PC games and haven't upgraded in 10 years vs only playing PS2 and having not bought a new console?

The point is that the statistics and the article don't really give you any valuable information on what the average hardware is for a PC gamer that is actually interested in modern releases.

starchild3877d ago

A lot of people that use Steam are a little more casual and they aren't going to upgrade their PCs unless they just can't play games.

That said, most of the kind of PC gamers that frequent game sites and waste time talking about games generally are the kind of gamers that have a good-to-amazing gaming PC.

Most of us hardcore PC gamers have much more powerful rigs.

In any case, I don't see why it matters. People have the choice on PC to get whatever power and performance that they want. That's one of the beautiful things about PC gaming: we're not stuck with a one-size-fits-all approach.

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joe903878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

32 million League of Legends players

25 million Counter Strike sold

7 million Dota 2 sold

8 million World of Warcraft players

4 million Football Manager 2013 sold

All these games can be played on a laptop from your local PC store and are the most popular games played on PC. Also Steam is not locked on our computers like consoles to make sure we only buy there products, PC is open sourced, we can buy our games from anywhere and don't have to have steam rammed down our throat like XB/PS firmware.

Also i checked the stats, all that hardware is full hardware NOT mobile chips what the consoles are using.

stuff3878d ago

Somebody is in hate mode. Calm down buddy. PC gamers are cool too.

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wsoutlaw873878d ago

on the majority of big titles now a days steam is forced on you with its drm. That or Origin. I wouldn't really call psn/xbl "rammed down our throat", its os so enjoy that windows thats rammed down your throat. You came up with a stupid argument that seems to be trying to defend what the article is stating. Why get mad at what others have in there pc. If you dropped more money to have better hardware than you then congrats, but not everyone wants to do that.

joe903878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

LOL wsoutlaw87

You think Windows is the only PC OS. Good luck changing your console OS.

T23878d ago

Ya except Joe ive seen you use "Sony piss stinking peasant " before ... So why not admit its how u feel

Deltaguy3878d ago

can't you have multiple accounts on LOL

stuff3878d ago

@joe90

PC fanboys are by far the funniest of us all. You're like the kid that gets mad because nobody wants to fight you. So you go rage in a corner all on your own.

If you're going call me out for having nothing to say, please take the high road. I was merely trying to say that there is no reason for having such an angry tone.

People are going to game on PC and people are going to game on consoles. Those are some good points you made, although a bit skewed. The bottom line is this, there is another generation of console gaming on the way and nothing anyone can do will stop it. Consoles, thanks to many of those same reasons you listed, are safer for developers and they are more convenient for most users.

ZBlacktt3877d ago

In a nutshell. Trying to justify spending so much to game. Yet, can't do it for $399 TOTAL.

H0RSE3877d ago

Ummm, PC gamers enjoy all the extra things you can do with a PC besides gaming, as well as the versatility that comes with being able to swap and upgrade hardware. They also enjoy the extra features the games and/or community offer, like mods and other user-made content. In a nutshell, when comparing PC to console, you get what you pay for.

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andrewsqual3878d ago

Noooooo, no this is false. Has to be false, nawwwwwwww.

awi59513878d ago

Not me i have 2 PS4 gpu's and a cpu with twice the speed.

kingPoS3876d ago

I've got nothing against gaming on pc's. But for a guy like me on budget, I just can't justify spending over $800 to piece together a gaming pc.

To be honest I'm still using Vista on my 09' laptop with 2gb of ram. Why... Because it's still in good condition and plays my MKV's well enough... that and it somehow grew on me.

Why do some people like old outdated cars?

By maintenance, I meant the rigs with overclocked liquid cooled chips. If you run them that hard they're bound to break. Flip side - Most average pc's only need dusting & defragmentation.

guess i was too dramatic earlier huh lol

kingPoS3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Ahh yes! The illustrious ultra gaming PC. I've heard tales of annual maintenance costs averaging around $299. (I hear that liquid cooled goodness doesn't last forever)

I suppose for the time being I'll have to rely upon my apparently weak console. What ever will I do when the next generation consoles arrive in November?

awi59513877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@kingPoS

Are console guys really this petty? You can't match PC give up already. Used PC parts on ebay that go for dirt cheap will out perform consoles its just too easy to upgrade off ebay and amazon for you guys to keep deluding yourself. I bought graphics cards off ebay that were brand new that equal the new console GPU's off ebay for $150.

I just bought 7850's for 150 dollars dirt cheap off there 2GB versions brand new. Now my sister has a dual 7850 2GB with a 3.6 hex core cpu for less than 400 dollars because i build Pc's all the time and i have motherboards,cases, and power sources everywhere, leftovers from old builds. Let's take bets on which will have the higher FPS at 1080P on ultra settings i bet it still wins.
Maintenance costs???? I dont know what the crap you are talking about lol. You may have a part crap out but they fix that crap for free lol.

Old PC parts are like currency you can easily trade them for money on ebay. Its like a old Car the parts individually is worth more that the whole car. I sell my old parts for a major profit more than enough to buy all the upgrades i want. I always make money when i part out my Pc on ebay then build a new one from the cash i earn and i still have a little profit left over.

AngelicIceDiamond3877d ago

Lol my X1 and PS4 will be stronger than allot of peoples PC's.

Lisica3877d ago

Doubt it. PS4 is not out yet.
When you buy a PS4, most people will have stronger PC.

gazgriff2k123877d ago

NOW PC elites please shut th e f**k up and enjoy your superior P.C's

awi59513877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

How about you shut up! Console people are the ones that keep comparing yourself to the master race.

And @ NatureOfLogic

Who the crap answers surveys, no one does i certainly didnt get one and my pc runs everything on ultra and i have a steam account. Since there are 4 million people on steam on the weekends im guessing most didnt get the survey i know i didnt .

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NatureOfLogic3878d ago

*grabs popcorn* But I thought every PC gamer have beast rigs. I guess not.

JsonHenry3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Not everyone who has steam installed uses it solely on their gaming rigs. When I did my steam survey I did it from a work laptop. I have it installed on there so when I am out and about I can still chat with my friends on Steam and play some of the indie games that are not resource hogs.

Also- not everyone has a gaming rig period. I know a lot of people that have old PCs that only have steam to play older Counter Strike games and free games like Dota2 which do not need a beefy machine to play.

360ICE3878d ago

*also grabs popcorn*
That's so weird, because I actually did my Steam survey from an incredibly powerful super computer we have in a research lab near my house. So I guess that evens that out.

The Great Melon3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Steam always likes to ask me to do the surveys on may secondary computers rather than my main gaming machine. That always annoys me to no end. Is there anyway to initiate the survey yourself?

Murad3877d ago

Dude, try playing an indie title called Miner Wars, and my God, that game is probably the biggest hog ever.

JsonHenry3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@ The great Melon- I have the same problem. It always asks me to test on my Laptop or a work PC I happen to be using. I never care enough to bother looking and seeing if I can initiate it from my gaming rig but I am sure there is probably a way to do so.

@ Murad, yes. I've read that game is not very optimized. But I was talking more like Anodyne, UnEpic, or Deadlight.

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sonarus3878d ago

Considering that those heavy gaming rigs are in the 2000-4000 dollar range, i think not

Foxgod3878d ago

1500 Us dollars, or 1200 Euro will get you a high end rig.

For 2000 ~ 4000 is overkill, systems for people who like to have a big e penis, but adds nothing to the game but a higher fps, which is already 50+ on highest settings on a 1200 rig.

FlameBaitGod3878d ago

4 thousand dollars on a gaming rig...... are you talking about the 1 made out of gold ? cus If not then you are way off.

OrangePowerz3878d ago

@Fox

If you want to play high end games (BF, Metro, Crysis and a small amount of other games) on ultra with high resolution (far above 1080) 1 500 wouldn't cut it as GPUs (SLI or crossfire) would roughly cost you 800-1000 alone.

T23878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Check prices in Canada, a beast rig wilk run you a good 1500 ... Im actually in debt to Sony and ms for price equality in Canada for first time ever ... Its a big deal ...the dollar has been parity forever and we get fd on electronics , cars, books, everything

Feralkitsune3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@OOrange a 660ti alone can ultra those games at 1080p. You're crazy. I have a 660ti, at stock clock, since I don't bother with overclocking and the games all run fine for me at 1920x1200.

Hell, even ARMA 3 at ultra settings at that res.

Proof:video from my TTV stream: http://www.twitch.tv/feralk...

awi59513878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@Foxgod
NO PC that can run all games on ultra should cost 1500 lol. IF i built my dream PC with dual graphics cards it wouldnt cost anywhere that much. Let me put it this way i built my sister a pc and me a pc and it didnt cost that much. My pc has dual 7950's my sister has dual 7850's.

awi59513878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@@Fox

Dual 7850 2GB runs metro last light on ultra at 1080P at 45 to 30 fps but thats with a weak cpu in my sisters pc. My dual 7950's run it fine. Also guys i have another set of 7850's i was going to use for a build for a friend i think i will put them up on Ebay for 300(since hes broke now and cant pay) if you want to look out for them im going to put them up on sale.

Lisica3877d ago

What the hell do I do with $4000 PC?
I play everything on maximum with my $800 PC.
(BF3 works like a charm)

Murad3877d ago

Dude, you're insane. My system can run every game, including Battlfield 3 on ultra settings, and it barely costed me a total of 1,200. If you think 2,000 is a high end machine, you must be one of those that buys AMD 5.0 ghz branded items.

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ProjectVulcan3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

At this stage in the console lifecycles part of the point is you don't even need a beast rig to smash the current consoles silly.

At the transition of the new consoles, you are only talking maybe 15-25 million new generation consoles sales in the first year, and probably as many people upgrading their PCs every year to make sure they stay ahead of the game. So by the time next gen consoles have serious market share after a couple years, PC technology is out of sight again.

But this year there isn't much need to have a beast PC to run games over and above anyone with a console.

Typically the consoles have one year where they can get near a decent PC (the year they cost the most to buy themselves...) and then afterwards they slide further and further behind rather quickly.

The difference in this transition however is that clearly, these new consoles are actually slower relative to good PC hardware than any generation before.

Its never been easier and cheaper to build a gaming PC that can outmatch a next gen console that isn't even in the shelf yet....

cyguration3878d ago

Dang, and this is why you have so many bubbles. Well said, sir. Have a bubble for an intelligent comment.

OrangePowerz3878d ago

I think the consoles now are closer to the PC in power now compared to last gen. In 2004 I was playing on PC Far Cry and when the current consoles came out the games where miles away to compete with that. If you look at Forza 5, Killzone Shadow Fall or inFamous Second Son, they are much closer in graphics to whay you get on PC now. Consoles profit from PC hardware having now smaller improvements every year compared to 7-10 years ago when the improvements in hardware have been bigger.

The time consoles are closest to the PC is in the middle when the devs get more out of the hardware. The early years they get used to the hardware and in the late years the hardware difference is too big because by then consoles have 7-8 year old hardware.

ProjectVulcan3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

OrangePowerz- well you're wrong.

Also you haven't actually played any of those finished games yet on finished hardware.

I can't honestly say hand on heart that I have seen anything that looks any better than what PC was capable of doing a couple years back e.g 2011 games- Battlefield 3 on ultra, The Witcher 2, Crysis 2 etc fogive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Battlefield 4 on PS4, the most powerful next gen console, unlikely to even be in native 1080p?? WTFF???.

The gap is bigger than it has ever been, these new consoles are the slowest new consoles relative to current existing PC hardware than any generation before, easily.

The consoles are closest performance wise the second they launch, that much is obvious. Beyond this period, they fall further and further behind. The constant march of technology my friend.

You can ALREADY get much faster PC components to what is inside the new consoles particularly the GPU, This was never possible when 360 launched (at the end of 2005. Far cry PC pre dated X360 by over 18 months so your comparison is somewhat flawed). This phenomenon is a direct result of the manufacturers no longer trying to build the fastest consoles and take the loss like in the past.

I agree its about a year before a developer really gets to grips with new console hardware, but by then typically PC hardware has already moved the goalposts which was my point.

By the time Xbone and PS4 are a year old, mainstream PC stuff will be pretty much as fast as a Geforce Titan is now. All this stuff now thats already way faster than the consoles like a GTX770, 7970ghz etc will be relegated to merely midrange in the pecking order (and price hierarchy).

Less than a year from the day these machines launch in November. I guarantee that.

OrangePowerz3877d ago

DICE isn`t a console dev as we can see in BF3 because the console version of BF3 is not the best looking game on either console.

I don`t know why people keep comparing hardware always directly between console and PC. You get way more out of the same hardware on consoles compared to a PC. On a PC you cannot run anything with the specs from the current gen consoles because it wouldn`t even boot up the OS with a lousy 512MB RAM and a GPU that was already at launch very bad in the case of the PS3 or a bad CPU in the case of the 360.

ProjectVulcan3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

DICE actually started out on the Amiga, then became better known for their PC titles. But I don't believe you can claim they aren't a multiplatform and thus console dev, they have been building games across all those platforms for ages now.

Really I only talked about relative performance to a PC, the key word was relative. Relatively, next gen consoles are much further behind performance wise to higher end hardware than Xbox 360 ever was when it launched.

Consoles might be more efficient and PC might use brute force to beat them, but then thats connected to my point about how PC hardware really is that much faster than new consoles before they are even out.

By the time anyone has got a good grip on these new consoles after a year PC gamers will be buying graphics card that cost less than $200 that comprehensively beat them.

It'll just not matter that the average PC is slower now, because that is always evolving as newer console user bases slowly build up.

When 360 launched everybody had single core pentiums/athlons and 7600GTs. 2 years after everybody had some sort of dual core and 8800 class card which battered 360. Yet this was all the while 360 was a machine with a cutting edge GPU. I wouldn't precisely call any of these consoles cutting edge....

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Cuzzo633878d ago

Yea I thought so too. @jsonHenry so alot of pc guys use laptops or multiple rigs but only use the weaker for steam? Ooookay...

why not sell the old rig for a new gfx card

aquamala3878d ago

@Cuzzo63

because that old rig or laptop is perfectly fine for some indie games and older games.

Sci0n3878d ago

Yea every single PC gamer has the ultimate gaming rig. The PC elitist present the stats in almost every debate they have.

BLow3878d ago

Shh, obviously this can't be true. Reading the comments on here you would think that though right? All fanboys are all the same no matter what platform they cling too. People just need to enjoy games shit and not worry about what system or (apparently beast PC because this is not the truth story) someone else is playing on. It seems like this crap will get old after awhile but some of you need to feed your egos I guess to make yourself feel better. Meanwhile, how about we play some games.......

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Foxgod3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Why wasnt i part of that survey?
Because my I7 is a lot more powerful.

Smoovekid3878d ago

PC elitists blame consoles for holding PC gaming back but not everyone has a $1,000 PC to game on.

Foxgod3878d ago

I think its bull, consoles dont hold anything back, consoles simply get a watered down version of what has been developed for pc.

Thats how its always been.

BitbyDeath3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

If that were the case then PC would already be getting nextgen games with graphics like the division or infamous second son. PC gets slightly better looking console games, generally modders have to do the work to bring in much better graphics.

Foxgod3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Games like Crysis 3 and Metro Last light already looked next gen on pc.

cyguration3878d ago

@BitbyDeath

Yeah, just look at games like Black Desert Online and Star Citizen, or even TERA before them. Many of the non-console ports already look like stuff coming to PS4 and XB1.

BitbyDeath3878d ago

@cyguration, two of those games aren't released yet, so of course they would look next-gen. TERA is not on the same level as the other two. I'm not saying PC won't get next-gen games, obviously they will. But PC has been waiting for next-gen consoles before upping the quality.

cyguration3878d ago

@BitbyDeath

Oh yeah, I also forgot about Rigs of Rod, Project CARS, the Outerra Engine, BeamNG's racing game and the Brigade Engine prototypes.

NioRide3877d ago

Don't forget about modding on games like skyrim, with a few texture mods, a nice ENB, and some added forests and details the game looks better than anything advertised on the ps4 and xbone anyways.

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MysticStrummer3878d ago

I've been saying this for a long time.

People with gaming PCs won't admit they are a small percentage of the total PCs in the world. Most PC games are being played on stock machines that are at least a year or two old, and if they're upgraded at all they have some extra memory or some other relatively minor upgrade.

Foxgod3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Oh, il admit, because hey, even console owners are a small % in the world (300 million out of 7+ billion people), so game pc owners are an even smaller %.

Rainstorm813878d ago

Nice way to be a condesending asshole

MysticStrummer3878d ago

lol What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about PC gamers blaming consoles for holding PC gaming back, when the reality is that most PCs can't handle pushing the envelope like hardcore PC gamers want.

Persistantthug3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

@MysticStrummer...

I agree with you
PC gamers are always claiming that "Consoles hold PC gaming back" nonsense.

But the most anticipated and talked about AAA budget PC exclusive for 2012 was DIABLO 3.
For 2013 it was SIM CITY.

The truth is PCs themselves hold PC gaming back.....Low end "Walmart'ish" PCs and laptops.

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Why Are Steam's Recommendations Dogpoop?

Blindfolding myself and clicking a Steam page at random would serve me better recommendations than Steam’s algorithm

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UltimateOwnage7d ago

Hmm, not sure I agree with that. The recommendations I get are usually pretty good, but then again I have pretty large library of games on Steam and hundreds of them in my wish list, along with lots of curators I follow for it to build recommendations off of. On occasion it will throw me a random FIFA game or something I've never bought or shown interest in, but mostly its decent IMO.

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jznrpg18d ago

Skul is a metroidvania ? It’s on PS+ soon I’ll check it out. If it’s good I’ll buy a copy physically if they have one

Nacho_Z18d ago

If Pseudoregalia is one of the best I'd hate to see what the worst look like.

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Dragon’s Dogma 2 releases to mixed user reviews, as microtransactions criticised

Players can pay to edit their character, resurrect the dead and other actions.

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AdonisIsBeast26d ago

Who cares as long as it’s optional

phoenixwing26d ago

paying to edit your character is kind of crap as far as microtransactions go

Xristo26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

I hate any/all MTX in a paid game (especially a full-price game)... but know that you can spend in-game currency (RC), which you get from killing mobs, to completely remake your character.

phoenixwing26d ago

@xRisto how much did it change the gameplay though? Changing your character would have probably not cost any rc if they weren't hellbent on getting money by making it inconvenient

koga8826d ago

You can literally edit your character using in-game gold, dropped from monsters or obtained from selling items, as soon as you reach the first main town. You can even use Rift Crystals obtained from other people using your pawn or dropped from monsters to change your entire character or Pawn. It's paying to avoid doing something that is literally in the game.

PRIMORDUS26d ago

They are lucky there using Denuvo or their game and all future DLC etc. would be for free. 🤣

phoenixwing26d ago

@koga you completely missed the point i was making but go ahead and act like i'm being the wrong one

lucian22925d ago

you can pay ingame currency though; why are ya so derp

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Crows9026d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Capcom cares quite a bit....hence why it was kept from reviewers and initial impressions.

As far as optional...yeah...ALL mtx are optional. That's not the problem. The miss the mark entirely.

Heck buying the game is "optional" too.

The fact that they were hiding this is scummy as hell. I was going to buy this day 1 or day 3. Now I'm reconsidering the purchase entirely because as the reviews point out...there are certain design decisions which have not changed but funnily enough seem to be remedied by these mtx...

In other words they may have left certain features in the game in order to monetize them. So the mtx affected the development of the game in a negative way.

garos8226d ago

I'm certainly not buying it anymore. It has affected at least one sale from me. I'll pick it up second hand

peppeaccardo26d ago

Very close to buy the game at a discounted price but not anymore.
Bad business practice and hence they do not get my support/money !

warriorcase25d ago

It wasn't kept fromreviewers s though. Twitter reviewers are saying there was mention of mtx's in the reviewers guide

-Foxtrot26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

STOP. USING. THAT. SHITTY. EXCUSE

God damn man

Look how DLC changed after Oblivions horse armour, within 10 years most developers took the absolute p***. What was said then aswell? “It’s only optional who cares?” Now look where we all are.

There’s no half measures with these things, when will people realise this.

jwillj2k426d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Oh it’s gonna get worse. Ng+ locked behind mtx, “cool downs” preventing you from playing for more than 3 hours at a time unless u pay the mtx for unlimited access, main campaign bosses, in-game music, certain dialog, difficulty modes, certain npc interactions, all locked behind mtx, etc.. etc. gonna end up being like the NBA 2k games eventually paying for cross overs and shit… They gon get mid-evil on our asses.

OMGitzThatGuy25d ago

I can guarantee most of the items you can buy with mtx and ingame currency wouldn’t exist in ANY paid form if the main goal wasn't monetization. If the goal is to give idiots who are willing to pay for basic game features as mtx a way to do things faster then the only ones the mtx hurt are the non paying players as you are now locking features behind a grind that you chose to put in the game that you are essentially admitting to creating some type of time sink. I have never heard of a game locking basic character editing behind a ingame paywall, it’s usually just an option.

Chard25d ago

Takes two to tango though - unfortunately people buy this garbage which incentivises the behaviour. It's an inevitable outcome of the profit motive

thorstein26d ago

@Mario

Yes. And so are resurrection "Wakestones." You can find them but they're rare.

victorMaje26d ago

Buying the game is now very optional too. If you don’t know why then you don’t get it.

shinoff218326d ago

Because it's only a door way. That's why we care. We've already seen some shit since Mtx was introduced.

Rimeskeem26d ago

1. DD2 is an ARPG with 8 different playable classes
2. There is no multiplayer aspect to the game
3. You can only have one character (have to pay for more)
4. You cannot delete the character unless you go into the game files
5. The game is $70 dollars upfront

Having to pay for more character slots in a game that *features* 8 playable classes is pretty much not optional for an ARPG.

Angyobangyo25d ago

Judging from steam reviews, gamers care. Not plastic gamers. Why didn’t Itsuno mention such MTX would be available in-game? Why weren’t the MTXs there for review copies?

Kiryu199225d ago

Who cares is how all this started. The many many excuses. Please keep defending these greedy publishers and unfair tactics. We be gamers are the problem

Horse armor

$10 online passes if buying a used copy

Cheat codes gone and are replaced by micro transactions

Unlocking stuff by playing games behind micro transactions and XP boosters

It’s only cosmetic

No one is being forced to spend even though publishers are literally making their games more grindy to force people to play

Full priced games have mobile game type micro transactions

$70 priced games because higher development costs while making record profits and laying off record number of employees

And to play the game early pay us extra $20-30 on top of full price

Release games now and promise to maybe fix them later only to abandon the game

Day one patches that make the games worst

If it’s your favorite game defend the publisher if it’s not hate on another publisher for similar content

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kenpachi26d ago

Must have picked up some EA crew to put this in the game

robtion26d ago

Yeah these are really bad ones. Directly impacting gameplay too. Super scummy move. I hope nobody buys them.

CrimsonWing6926d ago

Yet Helldivers 2 gets a pass? Y’know a GotY contender by the name of RE4 had them and so does Devil May Cry V. The funny thing is I enjoyed both of those games thoroughly without having to buy a single microtransaction.

What I do consider a valid complaint is not being able to start a new game or being able to edit your character. That’s kind of a seriously baffling decision, but then I think how I played Dragon’s Dogma 1 and I never edited my character and I just did a 100% playthrough on a single file and didn’t start a NG since. So, I don’t think these are really going to impact me, but I can see how it will others.

Crows9026d ago

Helldivers 2 is a live service game where everything is obtainable in game with incredible ease.

Not sure about re4 or DMC but nobody is giving anyone a pass ...this article is about dragons dogma 2...not those games.

What is valid are in game features made to supposedly force you to think carefully only to have a surprise online store offer solutions to built in problems for more money.

Goosejuice26d ago

Those same things they are selling can be found Ingame as well. U can buy the character editor through merchants with gold. Don't get me wrong..I dislike these mtx they are doing but you don't need to buy them to be able to get them.

CrimsonWing6926d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Oh my bad, I can’t bring up games with microtransactions that nobody had a sh*t fit over. My mistake.

I love how people move the goalpost.

Crows9026d ago

@goose
@crimson

All mtx sucks. I'd rather helldiver's not have them because it makes me wonder if the rate at which you collect materials. That said. The games features are all fully enjoyable and aren't affected by the mtx.

That's not the case with dragons dogma 2...they left in place features that are supposedly part of the challenge of the game only to let you buy your way out very conveniently. I didn't look through all of them but I've heard some are rare but can be purchased with more money now. Even more so in a game about managing weight load there's a tent, I believe, that you can pay more money for that weighs less than your typical tent...not all sure on all the mtx and I'm aware that you can purchase many through in game vendor but they're incredibly useful mtx that are obtained much more slowly in game...or even a limited amount of them.

Instead is selling fast travel...just let us don't for free....or instead of selling cosmetic changes...how about letting us do it for free...

Nothing in helldivers comes close to this abomination

Angyobangyo25d ago

One is a single player game and one is a live service game. One is $40 vs$70. And most importantly, one game is there to spread democracy.

Ironmike25d ago

It's not incredibly easy for certain things in helldivers though u still have grind quite bit but u ate correct in saying u can eventually get enough medals to purchase stuff

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Moegooner26d ago

Read your comment again and maybe, just maybe you might realise how dumb it was.

CrimsonWing6926d ago (Edited 26d ago )

What was dumb about it? That I pointed out the hypocrisy?

garos8226d ago

It was extremely scummy that capcom hid this from reviewers. I have no doubt this game is good but these type of microtransactions don't sit well with me. They've lost a sale from me

Lionsguard26d ago

I was going to pay full price to support this game because I've been waiting for it for forever but I think I'll wait until I get it for free from Epic or a Humblebundle monthly.

Redemption-6426d ago

I am not defending Capcom, as I am not a fan of MTX in single player games. I do however belive they were open to reviewers about having MTX in their game. The reviewers just decided to leave that part out. Which is very disingenuous. There are some companies that get away with these things. Image if this was done by EA, Ubisoft, or even Activision? I am positive those defending Capcom, would have had their pitchforks ready if the companies listed above did this

anast26d ago

That's why reviewers can't be trusted. In fact, they are not reviewers at all. They get free codes to talk about stuff they don't understand nor care about.

Sanctusone25d ago

I mean it was pretty obvious to anyone with eyes...one of the items you get from deluxe edition was in game items.
1500 Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift (A)
Which honestly I figured they kept a similar mtx system like DMC5 and the optional red orbs.

Lionsguard25d ago

1500 Rift Crystals doesn't mean anything. The first game had Rift crystals too, you just earned them by people hiring your Pawn and you get it from certain quests.

anast25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

A reviewer's job is to point out the obvious of a product as though they were the consumer. This means reviewers, to do their actual job, would need to review the complete game: the edition they are reviewing, how they got the game, technical aspects, story, and monetization scheme. Since, it is obvious that MT's are a part of the game, it would need to be reviewed. This way people can be informed, so they can decide if they want to play this style of game/monetization scheme.

For example, AC Origins was bad with Mt's. I had to farm side missions or pay to advance the story. This was after I already did close to 25 or more side missions. While I was grinding there were constant reminders that I could pay to ease the grind. I would have never bought the game if it were reviewed properly.

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