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Metal Gear Solid V designer says Japanese industry has not gotten worse

GS:Jordan Amaro responds to Mega Man creator Keiji Inafune's comments about downtrodden state of development in island nation, believes "discretion, humility, and hard work" should be emphasized.

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EXVirtual3876d ago

Exactly. Certain companies in the Japanese industry have gotten worse. As in Capcom.
I think that Square Enix is back on track with FFXV and KH3 and Namco Bandai has gotten my utmost respect lately, mainly with the Tales series.

Even if the Japanese industry has taken a hit, it can easily recover and it's looking pretty good to me so far.

I know that because of FFXIII people have their doubts about the Japanese industry, but just remember epic title like Xenoblade and the Last Story.

Godmars2903876d ago

When two of the biggest game companies in Japan are only making bad choices and doing nothing new, likewise if smaller companies aren't or can't make PS3/360 games, either retreated to handhelds and iOS or closed their doors, then there's a problem.

360ICE3876d ago

Agree. Given how huge the Japanese development scene was only seven - eight years ago, both in comparison to the western scene and to how it is now, I'd say SOMETHING in there is not as it should be.

dark-hollow3876d ago

Exactly what I thought, Japanese games and developers were the best of the best in nes all the way to ps2 era. You knew you are in for a treat when the likes of square or capcom release their next big game.

Like it or not, but capcom and square are the only third party Japanese companies who can afford huge budgets for their games, something other Japanese developers can't cope with, but alas, these budgets are wasted on lackluster sequels and unwanted reboots and useless ios games.

When they fail then the majority of what made the Japanese gaming industry what it is is also failing.

Sega have some decent titles but most of them are Japan only, atlus are facing financial issues and unsure about it future, konami basically have mgs, castlevania and pes to cash on with a lot of mediocre offerings.

Am NOT saying there aren't good Japanese games, but they aren't as frequent and contestant as they used to be.

Godmars2903876d ago

@Dark-Hollow:

Atlus isn't in trouble, their parent/owning company is.

Also much of the reason JP devs failed to upgrade to the 360 and PS3, weren't ready HD gaming, was because they had become too set in their ways.

fsfsxii3876d ago

I regained my love to Bamco when i played Tales of Xillia. I used to hate them for not localizing Tales of games. But now with ToX and ToX2 incoming. I'm happy.

Oh, the only companies who lost their track are Capcom (They insist on doing what pisses off their fans) and SE.

Baka-akaB3876d ago

You forgot Sega . They are even worse with the exception of Yakuza and Miku

BlaqMagiq243876d ago

Don't know why you're getting disagrees. You're spot on with eveything you said. I even played Xillia and loved it. I'm looking forward to Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD

Godlovesgamers3876d ago

"I know that because of FFXIII people have their doubts about the Japanese industry, but just remember epic title like Xenoblade and the Last Story."

And then remember how old those games are.

user74029313876d ago

i agree, look at demons souls, dark souls

Godmars2903876d ago

Which are versions/updates of a title called King's Field. Which was also based on western first-person gaming.

Baka-akaB3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

Still very japanese in nature when they made it their own circa over twenty years ago ...

To use another From software franchise as an example ... No one is claimed Armored Core isnt a japanese game , because somehow it was inspired by the likes of Mechwarriors .

The whole it's not a jrpg/jpanese schtick usually comes from people only associating stuff like Final fantasy or anime looking games , with jrpg .

There is a wide variety , even if some stuff is obviously more popular .

Hell we dont even see such variety with WRPG anymore , as they mostly settle with following success trends like Elder Scrolls or the the way Mass effect actionize those games .

-Foxtrot3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

I think it kind of has, theres a few games out there that do well but the problem is Capcom and Square Enix the two biggest publishers/companies in Japan.

I know what this guy is saying but the guy works on MGS, one of the biggest franchises that do well regardless of where it's released so of course he's not going to see the full picture because a game he's worked on over the years isn't being affected by the state of the Japanese market. While on the other hand Keiji Inafune is a man who has been f***** over by the Japanese industry, I mean the guy who created Mega Man has ended up resorting to a Kickstarter to fund a spiritual looking successor to Mega Man since he's lost it to Capcom.

Kalebninja3876d ago

capcom and SE and namco are still goin strong i dnt know why ppl are complaining capcom makes good games but they suck the money outta ya and ppl are only complaining about se cuz they dnt like the 13 series most of which have only played the firt 13 game and didnt give the second a chance

-Foxtrot3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

Capcom...makes good games

RE6 - Fail
dmc which they oversaw production with NT - fail
Lost Planet 3 - Fail
Bionic Commando - Fail
Dark Void - Fail
Remember Me - Fail

They've either ruined franchises, dumbed them down or ignore them (Mega Man)

As for Square Enix...it's not just about FF13, it's about their attitude towards fans aswell. It stinks like Capcoms

They keep shoving Lightning down our throat
No FF7 remake
FF Type-0 is not localised
They don't listen to fans
First FF14 version was a mess

Kalebninja3876d ago (Edited 3876d ago )

dmc was cool and it was time for a change,lost planet changed but its still good it actually got a story,u forgot street fighter,asura's wrath,mvc,dead rising,monster hunter,pheonix wright all good as for SE they re-made 14 so they do listen to fans and thats invalid,type-0 was still good just cuz it wasnt localized doesnt make sense so thats invalid an ff7 remake...it isnt mandatory to be remade it doesnt make the original game not good so thats also invalid it costs money to make things and they have to continue making new games and obviously they will remake 7 they are working on other games like ff 15 which will have sequels and kh which will also continue and they had to re-do 14 to satisfy fans so thats all alot of work to focus on

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solidboss073876d ago

Fox Engine is going to tip the balance back towards the East, a little.

Hicken3876d ago

The problem is making a blanket statement like that in the first place. Some companies have gotten worse, some haven't. Much of what's being called "worse" is staying the same, which isn't necessarily true. Likewise, some of what's considered "worse" is changing in ways people aren't happy with.

But it's not EVERY dev and publisher from Japan that's doing any or all of these things. People have simply jumped on the train to proclaim something most of them don't even really know anything about.

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Former Kojima Productions dev: Japan isn’t adopting western game design

In an interview with Glixel, Jordan Amaro, a game designer currently working at Nintendo, talked about working on Metal Gear Solid V.

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xer02412d ago

And they shouldn't adopt western game design. A lot of the greatest games i have played came out of Japanese gaming culture.

Apocalypze2410d ago

Great games from Japanese developers that I know of:
-Yakuza
-Soul Sacrifice
-Monster Hunter
-Metal Gear Solid
Etc.
Am sure am missing tons more that I can't recall.

Dragonscale2410d ago

The Soulsborne games spring to mind.

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-Foxtrot2410d ago

Odd as MGSV seems like it was trying to be as western as it could be...which is why I thought it was the worst MGS game in the main numbered games.

darx2410d ago

And that is why Japan has been irrelevant in gaming for a while now.

Muadiib2410d ago

Almost completely except for Dark Souls, that is a very western styled game mind.

Imalwaysright2410d ago (Edited 2410d ago )

Lets talk after Breath the Wild and Mario Odyssey winning the most GOTY awards this year.

Silly gameAr2410d ago

What world are you guys living in?

Trez12342410d ago

You guys must be joking right ? Zelda, Nioh, Nier Automata, soulsborn, splatoon, Resident evil, final fantasy 15, Persona, xenobladr chronicles x, yakuza , dragon ball xenoverse, naruto ninja storm 4, MGS Pro evolution soccer, the last guardian and maybe I missing others but those games have had an impact on the industry being sales or quality.

Japan is far from irrelevant and in fact, they've made a great come back this gen without them, gaming as a whole Wouldn't be the same. I personally would lose interest in gaming if Japan becomes " irrelevant " as you claim ( crazy claim ) since both west and east add so much to this great hobby of ours.

If you take out the big western IPs that sell millions which there aren't many, you have a bunch of games that have had no impact at all both in sales and quality. The funny thing is, you probably will keep saying the same thing regardless of the visible impact Japanese games are having this gen.....i mean....zelda is selling like crazy and been named best game of all time by many outlets.

FinalFantasyFanatic2410d ago (Edited 2410d ago )

I'd probably quite gaming if Japan has a whole left the industry, it would be pretty bland industry/hobby (rarely would I find something unique), and the PS3 generation wasn't exactly the best when they had the wrong mindset about development. Now that most developers have had a return to form we're having one of the best generations (or at least PS4 and possibly, even the Switch are).

@Darx,

And another downvote for wishful thinking.

BlaqMagiq12410d ago

Now THAT is a stupid statement.

Imalwaysright2410d ago (Edited 2410d ago )

Irrelevant? Lets see: over the shoulder view (RE4), modern cover system (Killswitch), health regeneration (Hydlide games), cinematic games (MGS1)... yeah totally irrelevant https://media.giphy.com/med...

FinalFantasyFanatic2410d ago

You mean to say Japan has been less relevant when everyone attempted to westernize right?

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Don't Write Off Konami, They Have Really Good People There, Says Splatoon 2 Designer

Konami shouldn't be discounted or written off, according to Splatoon 2 designer Jordan Amaro, as they have really good developers.

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UCForce2412d ago

Look I get it, but that's different. Konami treating their employees are very questionable. There was a lot of going between Ex Konami members and Konami especially how their relationship were. The result wasn't pretty. Konami wanted to change something that some ex Konami members didn't like and completely left the publisher because of Konami attitude and their marketing tactics.

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CrimsonWing692412d ago (Edited 2412d ago )

Omg can we move on from this, already!?

Kojima wasn't exactly not at fault either.

The guy went over budget constantly and could never commit to a dead-line.

Yea, he's an amazing developer but the way he operates is terrible for a business. The best thing ever was for him to become his own boss and then he can see the strain of going over budget and not sticking to dead-lines.

Alexious2412d ago

This is mostly about their ability to keep producing great games in the future, which has little to do with the whole Kojima ordeal.

rocketpanda2411d ago

And how Konami handled his exit was worse than pathetic. Not even letting him attend an award ceremony to collect the award he was supposed to be awarded then lied saying he was in holiday. Scrubbing his name from the series and selling then MGSV.

Konami is a terrible company regardless. How about how they handled silent hill! They tried remastering SH 2 and 3 and it turned worse than the originals in all aspects because they lost the source for SH2 and 3.

For a company that has great IPs like Castlevania, MGS,

rocketpanda2411d ago

No, because Konami is a terrible company and run by terrible narcissistic people, and they way the handled Kojima's exit was less than human. They blatantly lied saying he was on holiday when they prohibited him from collecting an award.

Konami has lost its creative talent. They can't even make a good silent hill, castlevania and suikoden game anymore. We have no idea how not-metal gear survive will do. The only game making them money besides their pachinko machines is PES.

Let's not forgot how they lost the source code for silent hill 2 and 3.

The 10th Rider2411d ago (Edited 2411d ago )

It's sad you're getting so many disagrees. Yes Konami is awful and the way they treated Kojima is absolutely horrible, but Kojima also comes across as self-absorbed and has his fair share of issues. It's fine to bash Konami but to turn around and praise Kojima as if he's some type of God is ridiculous. There's two sides to every coin.

People attack Konami for moving on away from AAA gaming, but it's entirely possible that move was decided after seeing Kojima's projects ballooning so large. They're not exactly a massive gaming company and I wouldn't be surprised if that scale of development simply isn't sustainable for them.

l3w1s2411d ago

What does Kojima have with to do with Konami making it impossible for their former employees to get health insurance or a new job? What does Kojima have to do with them throwing their once glorious IP's in the dumpster (or even worse - Pachinko)? Stop thinking that the whole hate for Konami comes from just firing Kojima. Kojima will be okay regardless. He is a big name and has a lot of support. Little employees and renowned franchises do not.

The 10th Rider2410d ago

I said that Konami is awful and they treated Kojima horribly. Hate for Konami is entirely justified. All I'm saying is that turning around and treated Kojima like some sort of God is ridiculous. Sure Konami treats their employees awfully either way, but the whole Konami-Kojima debacle is where a lot of this came to the limelight and many people treat Kojima like he's only a victim in the situation. Also it's entirely possible that Kojima's ballooning scope and budget contributed to Konami feeling they can't support AAA development, so he *could* be partially responsible for it.

InKnight7s2411d ago

Yeah but kojima always selling and his games gaaaain alooooooooot of menoy than most action games available in the market I mean all stealth games now is just about great past nothing more but Metal Gear still sells as cupcakes and MGS2,3,4 considering of best games in the whole industry by all means and one of really few games that hold it excellence in every gen since Ps1. I mean Kojima was a chance to regain Konami position in the market since they are destroying PES, Silent Hill and Castlevania.

rainslacker2411d ago

Who said he ever went over budget? Where was there a single report which said that?

When did he not meet a deadline? Where was there ever a single report which said that?

What about Kojima who said that he never missed a deadline? Is his word not credible? Given how Konami was willing to throw anyone under the bus at the time, they certainly could have disputed that claim.

Kojima produced, directed, or worked on 7 games last gen. All of them rated pretty well. MGSV was the only one that came across as unfinished, but what was released was extremely polished. Even the Demo. A game like MGSV could easily take 4-5 years to make. It was a huge game. The reason it likely got released in the state it was was because of the changes being made at Konami and they simply pulled the plug on development, and the fact that Kojima was already on the way out.

I get the feelings that people may have about Kojima, but none of it actually holds up to scrutiny when you look at all he did last gen. Give credit where it's due. Kojima is one of the hardest working devs in the industry, and he cares about making and releasing a good game. He has talent, and at no time does he deserve the kind of criticism you are lobbing at him based on assumption.

CrimsonWing692410d ago

http://www.gamezone.com/new...

Also watch all the MGS 4 trailers that constantly change the release date.

Also do some research on how much it costs to not stick with a release date.

rainslacker2410d ago (Edited 2410d ago )

And the fact that Konami put him on 4 other projects during the development of MGSV had nothing to do with the delays?

I don't see us blaming the directors over at Squre Enix for the delays for FFXV(or vs13) or KH3 when they get shuffled around to fix other games Square Enix is trying to get out. Why does Kojima not get the recognition for the games he also worked on, which likely took their toll on the development of the game. A game losing it's director for a while mid-production is very disruptive to the development of said game. It's no different in Konami as it is in Square Enix.

If Kojima went over budget, then it's not his fault. He developed a lot of games last gen, and any money wasted likely was due to the MGSV devs twiddling their thumbs or being shuffled around to other projects so Konami could get other projects done.

Also note that your link is an opinion. It doesn't in any way actually say if that was the reason, or look at the bigger picture. If there is more research to be done on how much it cost to not stick with a release date, then I'd say it's on you to provide it since you are the one making the accusation.

Kojima has gone on record to say he's never missed a deadline. If that's the case, and knowing him to be fairly honorable to his word, I'd say that's probably more substantial than a 3rd party opinion.

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FallenAngel19842412d ago

The good people are extremely overshadowed by the bad people

KaiPow2412d ago

People don't remember lead UI designers or multiplayer map designers yet they contribute to some of the most memorable parts of your favorite games.

rainslacker2411d ago

True, but there are those that direct and give vision to the games themselves. They lost most of those people. While I'm sure they still have talent within their ranks, until they show it off, there is nothing to really give credit to.

I, and I feel most people, would never discredit the actual developers who worked on the games there, as most of the problems seem to be at an organizational or management level.

Pozzle2411d ago

That tends to be the case with a lot of companies, tbh. Lots of good little guys, and a handful of bad higher-ups who ruin it for everyone.

ccgr2412d ago

Lots of good memories with Konami

AspiringProGenji2412d ago

Kojima senpai is with Sony now. That is all that matters

FUKonamy

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Japanese Devs Focus More On Game Mechanics Over Story; Western Devs Do The Opposite

According to Nintendo’s Game Designer, Jordan Amaro, a foreigner in the walls of a Japanese game studio giant, the focus in game development by the Western studios is on character development, story, and setting. While Japanese studios rather concentrates on gameplay mechanics and how it plays, and that this aspect in a game is far more important than the characters and story.

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PhoenixUp2413d ago

I wouldn't be that generalizing. You can find various western and eastern games that handle their game development process differently. Not each regions conforms to a certain way of developing a title

UCForce2413d ago

I'm disagree. Every developers can create a game whatever they want. Like I said, definition of gaming is everything, not just gameplay. Gameplay is always come first but it evolved for decades and open the endless of possibilities for devs to create.

Relientk772412d ago (Edited 2412d ago )

Has he even played JRPGs before...

Like say Persona 5 for example

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