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Heavy Rain was turned down by Microsoft over child kidnapping story

Heavy Rain was turned down by Microsoft due to its child kidnapping story, it has been revealed.

Speaking at this year's BAFTA annual games lecture, Quantic Dream head of development David Cage said the publisher was "scared" of the controversy it could cause.

"We were pitching Heavy Rain to different publishers, including Sony, and we went to Microsoft," he told attendees including Digital Spy.

"We had a very long talk and they loved Fahrenheit, and they really wanted to do something with us.

"They got scared by the fact that Heavy Rain was about kids being kidnapped, and they said, 'This is an issue, we want to change it'." Well, we could have kidnapped cats, it would be a different experience!

"For me, that was a very interesting signal. It was like, you know what, I don't think we can work together, because you don't understand what I'm to achieve here.

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mafiahajeri3878d ago

Interesting, never thought for a second this would be the reason.

JoGam3878d ago

And 360 is supposed to be Hardcore.

ironfist923877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Heavy Rain obviously isnt intended for the Xbox Market

Hence why games like Gears of War and Halo and Call of Duty are the big sellers

hakeem09963877d ago

MS as an American company they had a valid reason to be a Lil cautious .Soccer moms are so quick to call boycott when kids are involved . You win some,you lose some

JoGam3877d ago

@ Hakeem0996,

No soccer mom should be buying their kid Heavy Rain or any rated M game for that matter.

spicelicka3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

ironfist92

Stop with this "meant for xbox" BS seriously. Like wth do you know what the xbox market likes? They are the same humans and gamers as the Sony market, and many own both systems.

MS didn't discuss it with their customers before rejecting Quantic's proposal. And just because the xbox has Gears and Halo doesn't mean those are the only games xbox gamers like.

It's amazing how little some people think before they talk.

malokevi3877d ago

Strange how people try and spin such a... relative issue.

Microsoft made a judgement call. Obviously the subject matter disturbed them enough that they didn't want to take the risk.

Personally, I hate it when movies exploit childhood innocence just for shock value. I'm not sure if that's what happens in heavy rain, but I can understand why MS reacted the way they did.

In the end, it's up to them. It slides right off my back... I only knew the game existed by name. Next gen I'm getting both MS' and Sony's consoles, so I wont miss an exclusive like this. But, even if I had a PS3, chances are I wouldn't have played it anyways.

I'm sure it's a fantastic game, but it's just not for me. Not for MS either, apparently.

LOL_WUT3877d ago

Good thing they didn't go to Nintendo Iwata would've flipped out ;)

NukaCola3877d ago

Heavy Rain was an amazing emotional story driven experience. Sad MS didn't want to make room for something this amazing to change the pace of all those shooters. Strange too since Indigo Prophecy was on the original Xbox.

ironfist923877d ago

@spicelicka

Wth do I know what the Xbox market likes? Well I dunno, why dont you ask the people who buy those games, and also tell me which sells more

NumOnePS3FanBoy3877d ago

JoGam you are completely right in that no soccer mom should be buying these types of games. I would bow to the company that give them a quick response of the like " ok... so don't buy it. Put shades. walks the fuck off making them look like idiots"

TheRealHeisenberg3877d ago

@ ironfist92

And why are shooters constantly the biggest sellers for the Playstation market?

gaffyh3877d ago

@malokevi - Nothing like that happens in Heavy Rain. All that happens is literally the kid gets kidnapped, and then you don't really see him until towards the end of the game.

It's a valid reason from MS, but it shows that they don't let their developers be creative. They always want to "play it safe", and they cause a lot of problem even for first party developers, hence Bungie leaving.

P0werVR3877d ago

^^^

Bungie leaving had a lot more to do with Microsoft empowering them as a company and being as respectable as they are now.

If anything, Microsoft is known for being the most developer friendly company. Simply because they are a developers driven company.

minimur123877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

This hasn't got anythign to do with not being for Xbox market, it's shows how out of touch MS are with their gamers.

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Shadowsteal3878d ago

Too bad, Heavy Rain was incredibly profitable.

badboy7763877d ago

Games like alan wake aren't intended for the 360 audience.

fardan853878d ago

I thought it might have been rejected because of the gameplay, I didn't think it will be rejected because of a story related reason.

Off topic:
Any one knows about QD tech Kara if it will be a game or not? I really want them to make it a game.
Here's a vid for people who haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

black0o3877d ago

"snif'' ''snif'' NooOo its jsut a tech demo

Hicken3877d ago

I regret to inform you that black0o is correct. Kara is only a tech demo.

But I'd be ever so happy if it were more than that. That's one of the best concepts I've ever seen.

HammadTheBeast3877d ago

Sadly no.

Like the Dark Sorcerer, this will remain a techie.

hazelamy3877d ago

it's a shame, because i really want to know what happens next for Kara.

mike32UK3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Cage said it's just a tech demo. However, the are certain trademarks and domain names registered to QD in relation to the title 'singularity' such as http://m.uk.gamespot.com/ne...

The technological singularity, or simply the singularity, is a theoretical point in time when human technology (and, particularly, technological intelligence) will have so rapidly progressed that, ultimately, a greater-than-human intelligence will emerge, which will "radically change human civilization, and perhaps even human nature itself." (wikipedia)

Shake_Zula3877d ago

There's Beyond Two Souls... Chances are it was rejected by MS as well for having child soldiers, but it looks amazing, and it looks like the Kara character model was used for Ellen Page's character.

The Casting Call Tech Demo was the same way for Heavy Rain where the character was used, but not the story.

Here's the game site; check out the trailers.
http://beyondps3.com/

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DigitalAnalog3877d ago

What people seem to be missing here is that this is ONE of the factors of why there games "exclusive" to one console.

It is not so ho-hum as many fanboys like to believe that developers want to limit their marketshare. No. Sometimes, it's just as simple as getting rejected by a publisher.

So the next time you all go "bu bu bu bu bu bu I don't want deh deh deh exclusives in da platform I hate" just remember YOUR platform holder might have rejected it.

I believe this was the same case with LBP. So yeah, more power to exclusives - better to have a limited fanbase than have none at all.

StoutBEER3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@SPICELIKA Really? That many disagrees for a truthful comment? Is every Playstation fan on here a complete and udder idiot?! You know what I love Playstation as much as Xbox but I stuck with 360 cause it had better online servers and I love Halo. But you really think all Xbox gamers play is Halo?! Heres what I currently play on a day to day basis; Battlefield 3, Halo 4, Minecraft, CS Go, GTA IV, just finished Mass Effect trilogy. Now some of my other favorite games; Red Dead, Trials Evo, Aegis Wing, Bioshock Infinite, Battleblock Theatre, Mortal Kombat 9, I can go on and on. I was also VERY vocal that TLOU looked awesome and i was soo close to buying a PS3 for that game. I do plan on getting a PS4 eventually, but it has made me sadder today to know that you will be on there as we'll. Because you're idiocy is a special kind.

Pissed off ranting was not meant for you, Spicekilla. It's meant for the morons that disliked you're comment.

Gorilla_Killa_X3877d ago

You claim same love for both consoles, yet you don't even own a PlayStation. All the games PlayStation has and you basically say that TLOU almost had you, but not even it would deter you from your beloved XBox.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

their heads were in the cloud I guess..

bigfish3877d ago

MS what a bunch of pussies - Heavy rain was a good game

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okmrman3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

yet they allowed call of duty which included shooting up an airport filled with innocent civilians?

something doesnt add up

HammadTheBeast3878d ago

Or Gears, where you can take a chainsaw, rip it straight into an enemy, nd out through the back of their throat.

okmrman3878d ago

ummm no
thats a bad comparison

how old are you?

JKelloggs3878d ago

Yeah, because that's the same..

jackanderson19853878d ago

i do believe an option to skip that entire scene was included in the game for the sensitive type... don't think you could skip over the whole child kidnapping in Heavy Rain

Cueil3878d ago

they didn't market and publish that game as their own

JKelloggs3878d ago

They highly publish their exclusivity rights, don't they?

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OrangePowerz3878d ago

Kidnapping kids doesn`t really appeal to the bro culture that CoD or Gears of War target. Plus that hinders the sales as it appears to a smaller audience.

mafiahajeri3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

You have the option to skip that part before you start the game. It says there's offensive stuf in the game do you want to not see it? Something like that, but it's still there. With heavy rain it's a big part of the story so I guess it's harder for them to avoid.

HammadTheBeast3878d ago

Committing the genocide of millions of Locus isn't bad? OK.

Me-Time3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

to be fair, multi-plat...

any game involving the killing of people should be considered if you're viewing it as an issue of morality. GTA let's you "do it" with hookers. Considering we're (me and Microsoft) in 'Merica, taking drugs (not alcohol, because that's not a drug! /s) in Saint's Row and sexual deviancy (sex before marriage, PREPOSTEROUS! /s) should be a huge issue too.

Something doesn't add up? It's a business. Not letting CoD be sold on the Xbox for THAT one reason would be sort of like what China (and other countries obviously) does in their country with blocking particular movies. I'm saying it's like that, not exactly like that. Point is, Microsoft sucks. They won't produce an IP because of the scandals that may come from it. They just suck.

They'll still sell CoD, because why not? It'll be far worse in a gamers eye to not release that CoD, an online centric multi-plat, for THAT one reason than it would be to do what Microsoft did/didn't do with a SINGLE PLAYER game like Heavy Rain. As much as I dislike Microsoft, your example isn't any better than HammadTheBeast's. But at least his example covered an exclusive game that in all only sells a fraction of what CoD sells on Xbox.

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cyguration3878d ago

Wow, so as long as the subject matter is leave-your-brain-at-the-door it's okay, but if it deals with something serious then it's a no-go?

Interesting

kneon3878d ago

Have you not noticed that most supposedly mature xbox games are actually rather juvenile, though that applies to most multiplatform games as well.

cyguration3878d ago

Now that I think about it, you're right.

It never really dawned on me before because I oftentimes left my brain at the door, but yeah... recalling exclusive "Mature" games on the Xbox 360, they were pretty daft thinking back on them -- storyline wise, anyway.

kneon3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

But it's not just Microsoft, as I said most mature multiplat games have similar issues. There just aren't many publishers willing to commit to games that are actually mature. I guess they are afraid such titles would be too niche to succeed.

paul-p19883877d ago

Come to think of it i remember when Heavy Rain was first announced for PS3 and David Cage kept mentioning that Sony were 'willing to take a risk' to get their game out there. This must be why they said it...

tbh, it didn't feel like much of a risk to me, you see a lot worse in movies... but it was a brilliant game, a game that actually makes you stop and think, and even pulls out emotions from you (i never cry or get upset by films etc, but where you lose the boy in the mall was brilliant and actually made me feel a little sad... THAT is a sign of a good game!)

Bigpappy3878d ago

Indigo prophecy did not sell close to well on Xbox. So to fund the same type of game would be a high risk move. It might have turned out well, but sill did not set the sales charts on fire. So Quantic Dreams owns Sony for letting them make their dream game. But I think they should not be doing business off of emotion. If they think their is a market base on xbox, they should jump at the opportunity to sell more copies. But that's just me.

macethedon3878d ago (Edited 3878d ago )

Well if that's the case, then you know that David Cage isn't driven by money, which is a good thing, surely.

HammadTheBeast3878d ago

It sold 2.5 million which is great for a new IP in this sort of genre, especially an exclusive.

The main thing this game did though, was get Quantic Dream exposure. People know them now, Beyond will probably have similar sales, not as great due to PS4, but great nonetheless. That sets them up for a bright futue in the middle of next-gen.

YNWA963878d ago

Activision publishes COD. Quantic wanted MS to publish the game for them. No big loss, I picked it up, and games like this make me hope they do not become too realistic, they will stop feeling like video games. A video game has to feel like a video game, the reason I love playing them....

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Please stop comparing video games to movies

"Many video games catch not only great commercial attention but remarkable critical attention as well. We have seen games like Heavy Rain, The Last of Us Part II, and even entries in the Metal Gear series described as fantastic interactive experiences, even heralded in the same way as Hollywood's greatest films.

I would suggest that not only is this an unfair comparison but also a harmful one. Video games, by their very nature, are an intricately different medium and should be weighed against one another rather than another form of media," Phillip writes for GF365.

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Fist4achin1248d ago

Yes, please stop. They're better than most hollywood drivel nowadays.

BLAKHOODe1248d ago

I think Hollywood films will becoming increasingly more like video games in the future, especially as the world embraces the "new normal" from the pandemic. It makes sense, as games like Spider-Man: Miles Morales showcase just how realistically we're reaching in graphical capabilities, as well as showcase extreme action sequences in spectacular ways. And as time goes by, it'll get easier and cheaper to produce such "art", as well as create new star "actors" that never age, never die, never complain, never gets involved in scandals, etc. Technology is amazing and we're only just getting a taste of what it'll eventually be.

sourOG1248d ago

No. Some games are like movies.

medman1247d ago (Edited 1247d ago )

No. For the money spent, a quality game provides far more entertainment value than a quality movie. Especially when looking at what is going on in the world, and how a studio can attempt to pilfer from consumers by charging 30 dollars for Mulan via streaming. Ridiculous. There is no comparison....games all day.

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The David Cage Experience: Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain

What exactly is the David Cage experience, and is it of value? We examine two classics, Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain, to find the answer.

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Quantic Dream Celebrates Heavy Rain's 10 Year Anniversary With New Video Series

Quantic Dream has announced a new video series to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of Heavy Rain. Check out the first part here.

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ClayRules20121405d ago (Edited 1405d ago )

Have you played Detroit? While it’s my personal favorite, I fully understand many preferring Heavy Rain more. I’m glad you enjoyed Heavy Rain too.

bouzebbal1405d ago

def. one of my top 3 best experiences on PS3

ClayRules20121405d ago

bouzebbal

That’s awesome to hear! What’re the other 2 best experiences?

akaFullMetal1405d ago

Great game, need to get started on Detroit soon.

ClayRules20121405d ago

Glad you enjoyed the game! Yes, Detroit is a masterpiece of a game, and their best work to date “in my opinion”

ClayRules20121405d ago

Wow, 10 years...and yet, still one of the best/most emotional/thrilling gaming experiences I’ve ever had.

So grateful to Sony for believing in Quantic Dream’s vision for this game, and giving them a chance. I’ll never forget David Cage saying “We want to challenge the player, but not with the controller, but mentally, with their decisions of “How far would you go to save someone you love” Well, they broke my emotional gamer heart lol.

My teenage son refuses to play this game, because I’ve told him in little detail the emotional impact it had on me all those years ago. Maybe one day he will.

Z5011405d ago

Still have my origami crane they teach you how to make when you're installing for the first time.

C-H-E-F1405d ago

it's been 10 years? wow, that was so fast, I feel like this console gen went fast as well although it hasn't. I really look forward to the PS5 this holiday season though.