Battlefield 4 creative director: 'We underestimated console gamers'

MMGN writes: In an interview with MMGN at Gamescom, Battlefield 4 creative director Lars Gustavsson said the renowned game maker had learnt from its mistakes, having designed Battlefield gamers for a console audience that is far more "hardcore" than the development team originally thought.

[Majin-vegeta]

Damn right.

[M-M]

Lol I said that in my head right after I saw the title.

[piroh]

i forgive you Dice, still KillZone SF all the way for me

[SolidStoner]

^ Killzone is great and all, but damn BF is whole different game... Battlefield 4 for PS4 will rock...

[NewMonday]

@piroh

I'm getting both, with the PS4 you can switch between KZ and BF4 matches in seconds, it is even faster than loading a MP map within a single game in the current generation.

[b163o1]

I'm always amazed how people disagree with facts, hell you can watch your friends in both games, and look and see with is the better game to join before deciding. That's a plus in my book SONY!

[Irishguy95]

Its hard to fault them when you see games that don't even try with gameplay and get away with it.

BF4

64 players
destruction
large and small maps
lots of vehicles
air combat, sea combat
Dynamic weather in multi which affects maps such as a tidal wave

Do you know what KZ added to its already unimpressive list of features? Bullet time. KZ is doing exactly what its supposed to and nothing more "lets wow them and show off the graphics we can pull off all while having decent gameplay"

Cod? Fish Ai "the fans will love Fish AI! And since our fans don't play games they won't know Fish Ai has been around for 15 years...how lucky are we?"

While Halo actually has some impressive features, Halo 4 added nothing and made the gameplay worse than Bungie could do.

Hey B16...Could say the same about Titanfall, however I won't...as i'm not stupid enough to pick and choose between exclusives at this point in time, since you know...X1 has more and of better quality at that.

[GentlemenRUs]

@Irishguy95

Do you XBOTS ever give up trolling about the PS4?

Nobody cares about what console you prefer and what you think of games... Just enjoy what you get and not go trolling over a console...

I like PS4
You like XBONE

Do I care? No.
Does the Public? No.

EDIT: Laughing at you Irishguy95 xD

[Irishguy95]

No need to be so defensive GentlemenRus, I already said i'm getting a Ps4 first for various reasons. I'm not stupid enough to lie to myself about the games coming out for both though

[Maddens Raiders]

[piroh + 6h ago
i forgive you Dice, still KillZone SF all the way for me.]

I'll still be getting both but hell yeah...
Well said.

+1 bubble

[Abdou023]

@ piroh

2 different games, why not enjoy both ?!

[UltimateMaster]

"It's on Medium settings for PS4."
How much people exactly will actually use the High Settings on PC?

The next-gen consoles already beats the majority of consumer's current PC rigs.
Unless you've invested 1000s on a new PC, you're probably going to use medium on a PC as well.
Most people has 8-cores, rare are those who do have 12-cores.

Dice used that same excuse the last time on last gen consoles and they still are trying to say that the only relevant system is the PC because you can upgrade it piece by piece.

But the PS4 is 10 times stronger than a PS3, it's beasting my new PC which I bought little b4 the announce of the PS4 which cost me near 1000$.

Who the hell on earth will be able to actually be able to use that mystical "High" Settings? Millionaires with too much money to waste on PC Hardware?

It's about time you realize to what market your selling your games to...

And if you can't really bring that next-gen experience to consoles, others will: Killzone Shadow Fall and probably Halo too (Even tough we haven't seen much of it)

[tordavis]

@ultimatemaster - "But the PS4 is 10 times stronger than a PS3, it's beasting my new PC which I bought little b4 the announce of the PS4 which cost me near 1000$. "

If the PS4 is beasting your $1000 PC, I feel sorry for you. I run BF3 on Ultra on a PC I built 5 years ago. You must be doing something wrong. Oo

[UltimateMaster]

@tordavis
Exactly what I was saying.

Dice is simply putting Zero effort in the console version of the game.

Other games will beat Battlefield 4 and Killzone SF is a great example of that.

Hell, most PC gamers are envious of not being able to get KZ SF for PCs

It's not about what it is, it's what you do with it.
Example: The Wii U is "Technically" a HD console, but they serve us the same Miis that's on the Wii...
Likewise, The Last of Us almost feels next-gen.

And Graphics and Hardware aren't that relevant compared to the actual game play and overall quality of the game.

[RumbleFish]

Killzone SF is a must have and so is BF4 on PC. I want it all and I want it now!

[Yukicore]

Hey, can you please update me on what's up with consoles and BF4? I would really appreciate it. :)

[3-4-5]

Basically, consoles are getting EXACT same experience, rather than a lesser experience.

This game and a few others have so much potential.

[yeahokchief]

Idk. I'm still going to wait and see. Lost a lot of faith after BF3.

This looks like what BF3 should have been, but i'm still certain that they're going to rape us with the DLC prices if I buy it full price at launch.

I mean if they can't get good parity NOW while the next gen is fresh then it will only be worse in the years to come. So I'd hope this one will be good if you're a battlefield fan.

[aPerson]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/...

[user7402931]

goddamn right.

[dougr]

All the killzones have been awful, hopefully with the playstation 4, Socom, the real Socom, makes a return, so that we can finally get a real shooter that takes skill and strategy. I'll also be skipping battlefield 4 as it is just a mindless shooter. I'd love a return of a shooter that was non respawn.

[die_fiend]

All Killzone's have been awful?!
I never played KZ1 but 2 and 3 certainly weren't awful you silly lil troll. Battlefield isn't mindless either...you play as a team or you fail. Maybe you're confusing it with another military shooter? Have you played a battlefield game or just decided all of this?

[dougr]

I'm not a troll at all. Every Killzone has been terrible. And if you think you have to play as a team on battlefield to win you are full of it. Bring back Socom, the only shooter that actually required skill, creativity, and brains to be good at. I can't speak on the xbox side, as I've never played GOW, Halo, or any other shooter that they have, but on the playstation side, sadly Killzone is garbage. Even Socom 4, a terrible, terrible game, had more interesting multiplayer than Killzone 2 or 3. We won't talk about killzone 1 though, that was a whole different type of terribleness.

[Wni0]

Socom is the best out of these 3 for teamwork, but stop saying games you dont like suck.

Killzone has a different feel to multiplayer as does BF.

Socom will never be the end all be all mumtiplayer game it once was - just like Timeplitters arcadey greatness will never come back. Stop living in the past.

[pixelsword]

Yeah.

All of the killzones have been sooooo awful that people

-copied the look of the Helghasts (I know about the Jin-Roh look, but since Hunk from Resident Evil came out a year before Jin-Roh [that, and the fact that the Nazi party existed since the 20's, of which the Helghast, Jin-Roh, and probably Hunk were probably based on] I have to look at the whole appearance of the Helghasts having modern and not Nazi helmets, the "lens for eyes" look instead of the glass of resident evil and the mere glow of Jin-Roh, and a modern battle suit instead of "insect-like" armor; which was emulated in multiple games from that point [unlike people saying that everyone copied Gears of War irregardless that GoW is a direct copy of kill.switch without variance in terms of it's style of control or movement])

-copied the first person cover system (again, people will try to bring up winback, or House of the Dead (?) game but again, see the GeoW reference: Killzone 2 is distinct in that you don't see a first-person off-rails game that has a cover system like K2 until K2)

-copied the brutal melee

-copied the precise bullet damage system (shoot someone in a particular part of the body and it reacts)

That, and the three games had a good story/characters to the degree that Killzone even won me over Halo because the series got better and better while Halo got progressively worse and worse; for me, the first two Halo games were the best and unless Halo 5 corrects all the rest, I don't think these new guys will ever get the game back on track.

[T2]

Thing about socom is its more the community that made it more than the actual game ... it was a great game but if you think bf requires no teamwork, you are doin it wrong

[Bolts]

Killzone 2 was great, Killzone 3 however was absolutely shit. From what I've seen of Killzone 4 multiplayer it's shit too. Those deployable blue force fields are cheesy as hell, they shouldn't be in multiplayer. Overall this franchise have proven to be nothing more than a series of pretty tech demos and bullet points, that's why this it never resonated with PS fans like Uncharted and Infamous did.

[FlyingFoxy]

@UltimateMaster

Common misconception that a good gaming PC is very expensive, i always spend around £1,000 on a full upgrade but for good reason. You can get away with just £600-£700 on the base unit alone and be good for games,the trouble with console games is that you don't know whether the alleged 60fps is average or constant.

More often than not it's the average frame rate, meaning that it can drop below the stated fps. This is why often we hear of console games getting frame rate dips in some areas. Sure PC gets that as well but to a lesser extent.

it's only inital cost that is more with a PC, with console you pay more for games and have subscription fees.

[webeblazing]

its funny the only things i see console gamers complaining about is gfx. everyone is getting the same gameplay features, so really whats the reason for complaining. i know yall want these console to b push to the limit. ne too, but it can be a point when your taking it too far

[joe90]

He means....Oh crap, we made these console gamers angry by saying there version is the shittest, lets pretend we didn't mean it and call them "Hardcore" so they buy our game.

You guys are such suckers.

[Rimeskeem]

we are important too dammit

[The_Truth_24_7]

That's why COD > BF. Activision didn't underestimate console gamers.

[BozoLoco]

No, they underestimated PC gamers instead...

[CaptainFaisal]

No they didnt! They gave you dedicated servers, mod support, WTF are you talking about!

[papashango]

no they took that away

[chaldo]

Um. They definitely did with the PS3 versions. Especially Black Ops 2. GG though.

[Shadonic]

No they constantly underestimate gamers, just that there fans are already too blinded by there success to realize it, like Beiber fans >.>

[1OddWorld]

O-snap. Connecting Call of Doodie to the Beibs lol

Stupid Beiber

[twinspectre]

i hate COD and i hate BF
BF and COD fanboys are Similiar to Bieber Fans

[Vip3r]

No, they milk them with the same game every year.

[TheSsus]

That only applies to CoD son.

[Vip3r]

That's who I was talking about, son.

[KONAAs]

so who is the mom or the dad? both cant be sons :/

[DarkMeans]

Someone is their own Grandpa

[Ace_Pheonix]

No, Activision makes games for the most casual of casuals. You don't have to be good at games at all to be good at COD, which is why it does so well. There's a huge amount of people that know nothing about games, call themselves "hardcore", all because they spend countless hours pretending to be cool on COD.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

exactly!!!! thats why they keep adding cheap garbage ways to get kills. So these little kids or scrubs can still feel like theyre doing something. COD is dead to me we had a good run though :(

[AceBlazer13]

Ikr.Target finder? Really?

[BoriboyShoGUN]

the list goes on Heart beat sensors, thermals in daylight??, target finders, that dam remote control car! Like geez whatever happen to pulling out a weapon and just being better or faster then the other guy. DEATH STREAKS!!! WTF!!

[iistuii]

Disagree, & agree. Agree anyone can get a kill, making it fun for even the noob player, but I'm sorry, you've gotta be good to finish top against these kids. Play against a seasoned player as a casual & you will never finish top.

[princejb134]

i disagree, COD can get challenging depending with who you play with
my cousin is an awesome Halo player but when he started paying black ops 1 with me back when it was released he was terrible at it and constantly kept dying. On the other hand im not a big halo fan but i got top 3 in a team deathmatch game on halo 3

[Jiggins99]

cod kind of trained me for shooters. other than timesplitters on the ps2, cod was the only shooter game i played for years and then i played others like battlefield and i can finish top after just a couple of games to get used to it.
your right though, cod is too easy, when i decide to go on i can use the crappiest guns and finish first with ease, the kids are just too easy to read

[MysticStrummer]

"Activision didn't underestimate console gamers."

It would be hard to underestimate CoD fans. They're about as basic as it gets in gaming, at least in the FPS category.

[badz149]

Oh no you didn't!!

[WeAreLegion]

A great number of console gamers are also PC gamers. I'm definitely one of them.

[0ut1awed]

Yup, although I had to sell my 360 and ps3 about two years ago becuase the horepower distance grew way to vast for me personally.

I can't wait to pick up a ps4 but it also kind of scares me. I mean I'm already gaming at 1440p (almost twice the resolution of 1080p) with 100+fps in most games and mass 4k pc gaming is only a year or two around the corner. Yet the ps4 looks like it might be able to push up to 1080p at best with maybe 60fps. Even if it's able to do that it won't be until years down the road with loads of optimization.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that I'll be able to enjoy the ps4 for at least a solid two or three years.

Now lets see those dislikes come in from console gamers that have never owned a gaming pc and have no idea of where I am coming from. Lol I'm not even bashing the consoles, just being realistic. They do a damn good job for what they are. You just have to realize that I'm comparing a $400 console coming out now to say a $2.5k gaming machine 2 years down the road.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

"Now lets see those dislikes come in from console gamers that have never owned a gaming pc and have no idea of where I am coming from"

The dissagres will come.Because you don't make any sense at all.

You seem to be under to impression that consoles are all about horse power for some reason.Everyone knows PC's have that advantage, because you can swap out specs.Consoles are for console exclusive games and for people who don't care about settings, optimizations, upgrades etc.

The idea that you had to trade in your consoles because they can't match PC specs is just ridiculous.And honestly, just sounds like typical PC elitist gloating at this point.

Having switched from being a longtime PC gamer myself, down to consoles, the one thing i certainly don't miss is the PC guys like you in every lobby boasting about their beastly rigs.

/rant

[Conzul]

Yeah, you go ahead and enjoy all of those emotional, story driven tech-demos with unforgettable characters and gameplay....

OMG teh grafix! Doze console nubs don't know what they're missing!!!
LOL, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, and Sony Santa Monica say Hi.

[gobluesamg]

Damn Outlawed got owned right there!

[JsonHenry]

I understand you perfectly Out1awed. The past 2 years or so it is really hard to play on consoles when the multiplat version on the PC is just so much more appealing to the eye.

And in the case of BF3.. they are different games on the console than they are on the PC. I mean completely different.

It isn't that we PC gamers think console gaming is about horsepower. But when you've got a new supped up Bugatti in the garage do you really want to take out the decade old domestic car you've got? Not very often.

[0ut1awed]

@ DayZ
You completely read into what I was commenting on. It was simply my opinion from my point if view. I realize what consles are and who they are marketed to. I didn't say everyone else would or should notice the difference...

Your making my comment seem like I said "Nobody should ever buy a console over a pc!" which couldn't be farther from the truth. I specifically said "I'm not even bashing consoles, just being realistic. Consoles do a damn good job for what they are." Again that just falls on you reading int my comment which I can't really blame you for since everyone on n4g seems to have a agenda to push their opinions on everyone else.

I made a comment. It wasn't an argument or even a suggestion.

Also im typing this from my Vita. Hows that for PC elitism? :)

@ conzul
I tired of single player games probably around the same time the 360 and ps3 came out so im good to go :)

I've played tons but fnished very few since then. Something about interacting with AI just bores me very quickly.

Even so, if you think pc isn't getting it's fair share of emotional single player love then you need to educate yourself.

@jsonhenry
Exactly my friend.

[SonyAddict]

I spent a whole lot more on my haswell pc , 3000 sterling pounds,so what's that in dollars?..are you jealous!?.

[0ut1awed]

@SonyAddict

I thought i emphasised thay wasn't the point, just to words put in my mouth by dayz.

But if you wqnt to go tha route sure. The $2.5k figure was arbitrary and simply usd to make a point. I have a 3930k under a custom h20 loop so no, I'm not very jelly. :)

[Killco]

I'm a console gamer and even i know it. WAY too many jumped up fanboys on this site...

[Hicken]

But your comment is all about consoles not doing things they're not supposed to do, anyway.

You're scared of getting a PS4 because it won't be doing 1440p and 100fps? Why the hell does that even matter? You're not getting a PS4 for PC specs. You're not getting an XB1 for horsepower comparable to your PC.

It's obvious that you DON'T get the purpose of consoles, and DayZ is spot on. Conzul details what you're missing, too. Those are the things you should be buying consoles for. Not for the similarity in capability to your PC.

Nobody misunderstood anything but you.

[0ut1awed]

Alrighty then, even though I expressed multiple times that my comment had nothing to do with what consoles were intended for.

It was a comment about MY personal dilemma of wanting to enjoy video games in all forms, that's it

But of course, what am I thinking? It's N4G, everyone wants to turn everything into a argument...

[Bolts]

Yeah instead of boasting about rigs and benchmarks you get to listen to nonsense like "the power of The Cell" and "the PS 4 superior GPU" or my personal favorite, "only possible with clouds". Lol.

Oh yeah, the enlighted world of console gaming and the joys of parroting marketing catch phrases like a fanboy.

Greatness awaits!!

[wtopez]

@WeAreLegion

Bubble for well said.

@Consul

Thank you! I will enjoy them! I'll also enjoy the games from my PS2 and Gamecube collection which I can rip and play at will on my PC and in true @1080p. Plus all the the emulators which allow me to play my favorite games from when I was a kid like all the Metroids and Zeldas and Marios and Final Fantasies. And all those multi-platform games that run and look better on PC than on current-gen consoles (all the Crysis and Dead Spaces and Mass Effects and Battlefields and Elder Scrolls and so on) and also cost a lot less. I'll also enjoy RTS games like say, Starcraft 2 or Company of Heroes or Sins of a Solar Empire or the Total War series. I admit I'm not into MOBAs but the option is there if I'm ever interested and for free. And when the new consoles are out and all those cool-looking new games like AC4, Watch Dogs, Battlefield 4 and Titanfall are out, I will enjoy them as well without having to move from system. You say Sony SM, Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch say Hi? Well say Hi to them for me! Especially ND. Really liked TLoU but nothing can touch Uncharted 2. Like WeAreLegion wrote, PC gamers can also be console gamers.

[AceBlazer13]

Oh you pc gamers.always pirating and shit.if it were left to you guys devs would've left the gaming business a Long long time ago.

[wtopez]

@AceBlazer

Ah yes the proverbial piracy card. Piracy has actually gone down a whole bunch in the past few years due to the convenience of services like Steam, the competitive pricing of a mostly digital market and the savings that result from said market. Piracy is not exclusive to PC. Consoles suffer from it too. But what really hurts the developers is the used game sales market. So PC still has piracy, but consoles have piracy and used game sales and both generate as much money for the publisher and developer; a whole lot of nothing. If developers where to leave the business because of a platform, PC would definitely not be it.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

Hell yeah you did!

[yellowgerbil]

battlefield sucks, no story, I gave battlefield 3 a half hour when it was free on plus. Absolutely nothing character wise, to my memory you didn't even have a name, just mindless shooting, and you wonder why people think games cause violence when games like this exist that have no context or depth beyond michael bay style setpieces.
What happened to the good old days when the story was the focus and the game was there to compliment it.
sorry for the rant.

[frostypants]

And who buys these games for the single player???

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Why do they bother putting it in there then? A man thinks if they make the mode they should be criticized if it's bad

[thebudgetgamer]

I do, they got it right with Bad Company.

[humbleopinion]

This is the interesting part: it seems nobody bothered to read the article, but their "we underestimated console gamers" was about dumbing down Bad Company 1 too much.

But ironically, BC1 was the only Battlefield games this gen with an actual worthy single player campaign. Not taking itself too seriously + the gold as a story device made an intriguing and worth story to play.

Yes, the multi was a bit shallow compared to other battlefield games, but why did they have to give up the good single player experience while scaling the multiplayer in BC2 and B3? Why can't we have both?

[AbortMission]

1) It's BATTLEFIELD. Multiplayer is the only thing it's good for

2) Lmfao, not another "bbbuttt Timmy wouldn't have shot the kids at school had he not play violent video games!!" That's nothing but a load of bullshite with no substantial evidence.

3) Story? This is a MULTIPLAYER-CENTRIC game. No. One. CARES.

Is there a butthurt bubble? They really need to add it Lol

[yellowgerbil]

1) how is that a good thing?
2) I didn't link them, I said with contextless trash no wonder other DO
3) then make it mp only. If you are doing a story mode, PUT SOME DAMN STORY IN IT

[NarooN]

+100 for Butthurt bubble. It should definitely be added XD.

[ddurand1]

ive put 450hrs into bf3 and never once started up the campaign

[Truth]

Lmao. Its funny because I stopped after the carrier take off and haven't played since. All MP.

[xActionBasturdx]

Same here dude lol

[xActionBasturdx]

I guess with your logic CoD sucks too because the campaign was ass ans had pointless shooting, even though it went on to sell at record breaking numbers. Games like Battlefield and CoD are made with multiplayer in mind. And thats the reason spend their money on them. I dont see anyone logging nearly as many hours on campaign that is on MP. I for one know i buy those games for the MP experience

[sevilha82]

If you´re gonna buy a batllefield game for the singleplayer i dont think you know what batllefield is.

[dcj0524]

Modern Combat, Bad Company and Bad Company 2 Single-player was awesome. DICE makes ONE bad single-player game and everyone bashes their head. SMH.

[TheFutureIsBlue]

BF2 didn't have a sp. The only reason DICE puts in a sp now is because people started expecting one since every fps that comes out on consoles had one. However...since they started putting in sp I don't think they need to half ass it. Look at what Uncharted did. Great sp and mp and people noticed that and it gets great reviews. I think DICE should focus a lot on both. It helps with reviews. Great reviews = more sells.

[JsonHenry]

I've never touched the single player, lol. I honestly don't know why they bother with it in the first place since most people don't play it.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

They should never under estimate the console market. It's far bigger than PcC gamers market.

[fsfsxii]

Personal concerned computer gamers?

[cunnilumpkin]

pc makes EA way more money than ps3 or 360 do

"EA's numbers include a breakdown of revenue per gaming platform, and they show that the company's net revenue from PC gaming actually rose by 8% compared to the same quarter last year. Not only that, but at $298 million, EA's PC revenue was higher than its Xbox 360 revenue ($256 million) or its PlayStation 3 revenue ($238 million)."

PC as a platform makes more revenue than ps3/360 combined

and while the pc gaming platform grew 8% in 2012, console gaming declined 22%

there are OVER 1 billion pc gamers, 250 million of which are CORE gamers, there are only 120 million
console gamers (some owning ps3 and 360)

pc gaming is smashing console gaming and next gen it will get WAY worse for consoles, ps4 and xbox1 will NEVER sell what the ps3 and 360 did

http://techreport.com/news/...

http://business.time.com/20...

[EXVirtual]

Lumpkin...120 million isn't a small number. And BTW if you honestly think that the PS4 won't sell more than the PS3...*sigh*
Again, I've told you before, I the PC was so amazing, you would be playing it man! Instead, your spending your time on your PC or laptop finding articles and listing numbers. And BTW, did ya count the Wii in your sales?

[DoctorJones]

'Again, I've told you before, I the PC was so amazing, you would be playing it man!'

And what are you doing? Oh yeah, you're posting on an internet website instead of playing a game....

EDIT:I'm not entering into any of this console or pc being better argument either, just wanted to point out the irony of your comment.

[resi5]

I'm pretty sure that ps3 and 360 revenue combined makes more than the pc.

[solar]

No, no it's not. The problem with penetrating the PC market is that the number of games and the PC crowd who vote with their wallets decrease sales numbers.

[frostypants]

CoD treats everyone as being equally stupid.

[Ticklez]

Sooo, 1080p would be nice. An better clan integration

[jairusmonillas]

CoD doesn't have 64 players on console.

[_QQ_]

Thats all there is to it.

[EXVirtual]

Well, I guess BF is mainly a PC thing huh? Console gamers are important.
BTW, do the XB1 and PS4 support 4K (obviously it would run a lot worse than 1080p)?

[NarooN]

I dunno about the X1, but the PS4 supports 4K output, but not for games.

[EXVirtual]

Oh ok. Thanks. I'm not surprised or disappointed by that.

[thexmanone]

X1 Supports 4k for games and movies.

http://www.cnet.com.au/xbox...

[Kevlar009]

Historically it seems anytime a game series originates on PC and begins to be popular and developed with console gamers in mind is met by backlash from the PC community. PC's for the longes time have had control over power and scope of games (ie number of players in a match). With PS4 matching high end PC's in power and taking on 32+ players in an online match, PC's dominance has shrunk substantially, they are beginning to lose their grip of being the "dedicated gaming experience".

Before you had to have a high end, +$1k PC to get the definitive gaming experience. Now your really only need about $400 for a PS4

[annus]

PS4 isn't on par with high end PCs though.

And maybe if you gamed on PC during the few years after the release of PS3 you would realise where a lot of complaints came from. Graphic settings changed a HEAP, you could basically choose between 3 graphic settings and a screen resolution. Most games felt like they literally copy+pasted the game over. Hell, some games still had the xbox buttons displaying even if you had no controller. Other games menus expected you to have a controller and felt like crap to operate. Then there's the fact that they got rid of dedicated servers in a heap of games and left it with crappy, laggy matchmaking, with many not even allowing you to be the host if you wanted to.

Luckily things are going back to how they use to be.

[AceBlazer13]

It gets the job done without giving up much though.

[dcj0524]

Warhawk&Killzone 2 had 32 players. One of the resistance games had 30 players. Just saying.

[MysticStrummer]

At least one of the PS2 SOCOMs had 32 players also.

[InactiveUser]

@ "30"
R:FoM had 40 max, R2 had 60 max.

then MAG had 256 max.

[KontryBoy706]

You're crazy as hell if you think a $400 PS4 is equal to or better than a $1000 PC. lol

[AceBlazer13]

-_- A bit of me is really disliking EA and battlefield this coming gen.They're lucky bf4 looks damn good.

[twinspectre]

SO why dont make Battlefield and Call of DUty as a PC exclusive again ??
Stupid DICE and Activision , in this case i would make it as a Pc exclusive so they can go Fuck themself ;)
like the Ol'days
CoD , BF pc exclusive

[Brucis]

CoD has been on consoles since CoD 2 and BF came to consoles only 3 years after the series started with BF 2: Modern Combat. There is no reason for them to go PC only after all these years. Go away.

[kingduqc]

Most consoles games are dubbed down because of the control scheme

[Angeljuice]

Well the DS4 goes some way to addressing that with the touchpad (assuming you mean dumbed down rather than dubbed).

[urwifeminder]

Must be getting hate mail lol.

[OneAboveAll]

I never understood this. Why would? Gamers aren't dumb. We know how server browsers work. No such thing as a console gamer or pc gamer. Most gamers have both!

If i can operate a browser on a pc i can on a console. Its as if they assume i'd turn retarded once i hop off my pc and got on tbe ol' Xbox...

[Flames76]

Of course they did.Hell battlefield 3 sold ore on the Xbox 360 than on the PC.Its time for them to focus on the Xbox One now instead of a dying game platform like the PC

[cyril sneer]

Digital sales are not counted and most pc gamers buy digital only.

[isarai]

God they act like console gamers are a completely seperate species or something, many console gamers are also PC games as well. We are the same damn people, when are publishers and devs going to get that through their thick ass skulls

[thehitman]

exactly i have a gaming pc, even a gaming laptop for when im on the road and a ps3 :|

[eclectified]

kbm for consoles please.

[Aztec_MC]

They didn't learn DIDDLY! The article is misleading, and they mention BF3 & BF4 are BOTH dumbed-down, but they don't talk address it... So what did they learn?

I thought they were gonna apologize for BF4... *sigh*

[iRocket]

Welp, usually it's us PC gamers who are underestimated.

[byeGollum]

Even developers segregate. . We're all f-cked..

[Tzuno]

lol what a lame excuse hiding the truth.

[DialgaMarine]

Yeah, no shit you frickin moron. You think Consoles have lasted as long as they have because we console gamers just sit around playing nothing but Mario? Well... Some do... But I'm not pointing any fingers. Consoles have gone on for as long as they have because of a devoted fanbase that truly appreciates great AAA titles from great developers. Console gamers love games just as much as PC gamers, and when you consistently shit on console gamers, you're in to lose a lot of devoted customers.

[fingazblank]

Honestly some of these divs i mean devs really walk around with there heads in the clouds, i mean pc gamers are the same as console gamers, i mean we are human, thats the problem they think console and pc gamers are a seperate crowd, i play pc and 360 what am i, yes im human. Modern combat was a shambles on xbox and the 360, especially coming from bf2 on the pc, hell these consoles especially ms ones they are pc's under your tv, god knows why they treat crowds differently we want the experience on console, if console players dont want FPS they wont play them same goes for pc gamers.

[ziggurcat]

translation:

"we really thought we could pull the wool over everyone's eyes by showing BF4 on PC, and saying it's on xbone."

[CrossingEden]

I think by this they mean that they underestimated how whiny console gamers have become. Seriously, gamers, are the worst thing ever compared to the way we used to be.

[Strakken]

Meanwhile at MAG, 256 players on the same map........fuck 64 players

[Chapter11]

Sounds like an attempt at justifying pumping out the same game every other year.

[ziggurcat]

as opposed to every year like it is with CoD?

[Mac420]

MAG had no destruction, horrible graphics think Zipper had better graphics on Socom Ps2 days please never put MAG in any comment, that game was all around trash! An Killzone's mutiplayer was trash too,Great single player IMO up there with Halo love them both, but KZ's multiplayer is a little lacking on every front for me. Maybe Im crazy or half the people in here havent played Battlefield before but I don't get how people can compare Battlfield to anything really, only game that is comparable is Arma an that is probably never coming to consoles. Also I have to say it because I love them, but I think we might see alot of different FPS taking the crown from all these Area style shooters( COD, KZ, Halo , CS, Gears) with games like BF4 an Titanfall, Destiny, The Division, these games have such bigger possibilities then those games still stuck on little boxed in levels with small numbers. There is only so much you can add into the box to make it better then its time to step out an increase the size an expand.

[MAULxx]

Titanfall.... Meh, don't care about it.
Destiny.... Need to know more first.
The Division.... I see great potential. Definitely with you there.

[PS3gamer4life]

H hour cant wait

[MilkMan]

Look im not that crazy about military or competitive fps and even I knew that whomever buys and plays these games religiously and fanatically is not a "casual gamer" type of person.

Weird that EA would come to realize this after so many version and (what I can only imagine) was some hard data feedback though their forums, surveys and collected data within the game.

??

[H0RSE]

It kinda reminds me of the women's rights movement, where they claim they want equality, but they settle for "separate but equal."

A good example is the WNBA. This is supposed to be looked at as a move towards equality for women and taking their claims seriously, but if it was truly equal, men and women would be playing together in leagues, not each have their own leagues - this is like how the "hardcore" console gamers are. They claim they are just as "hardcore" as PC gamers and don't want to be treated as "kids" and don't want things "dumbed down," but if they truly got their wish and were integrated into games playing with and against PC players, it would be a goddamned mess.

Many of the console players who label themselves with the "hardcore" moniker, aren't really interested in being matched up with or against PC players, but rather they want to remain "separate but equal." They want to have access to the benefits that comes from PC gaming, while also retaining the "status" they achieved that comes with only having to play with the console community.