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Michael Pachter - "Price matters in next gen, PS4 set to outsell Xbox One by 25 to 30%" [GTR]

This week on Gamertag Radio:

*GTR celebrates our 400th episode!
*Michael Pachter Interview about Wii U, 2DS, Xbox One, PS4 & PS Vita
*PS4 will outsell XB1 by 25 to 30%
*Voicemail shout outs
*Pachter interview continues….
*Roundtable with Godfree, Mandy & Paustin
*Custom Soundtrack Of The Week: Fat Joe – “Madison Square”

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xHeavYx3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Nothing that we didn't already know. What's next? Sony first party studios making amazing games? Kinect 2.0 ending up like the original one?

black0o3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

i bet by the end of the gen we may even see more then 30% more like 40-50%

edit: i bet we may even see one side show just like ps2 did, and as we know this guy always says BS and that 25-30% isnt even close to real thing

Skips3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

When you have cheaper/superior hardware, and way more talented (emphasis on talented) 1st party studios...

What do you expect?

C0LLAT3887d ago

PS4 is seeking world domination!

BitbyDeath3887d ago

Xbone isn't even releasing in half as many countries as PS4 and hasn't even begun production yet unlike the PS4. Not to mention PS4 has a huge lead already in usa pre-orders.

Pachter is wrong again, PS4 is looking to lead by a 50%-75% difference.

awi59513887d ago

@ BitbyDeath

You are delusional after the console wars ended in a tie there isnt going to be a huge shift in this gen either. Your just being a fanboy The only company thats left out this point is nintendo.

BitbyDeath3887d ago

@awi5951, why do you state their won't be any huge shift but then later state except for Nintendo?

When a new gen begins everyone starts from 0, even Microsoft.

Bathyj3887d ago

MS owe most of their good fortune this gen to the year-year and a half lead they had releasing. PS3 was always playing catch up as far as sales go yet still always selling faster.

Eliminate that variable and I see PS4 taking the early lead and never giving it up. Sony would have to shoot themselves in both their own feet to mess this up and I dont see that happening. Theyre just to good at this now to make silly mistakes with that sort of impact. MS is in for a hard slog coming from behind.

Magicite3886d ago

PS3 could have continued PS2 domination if only Sony would make right decisions timely.

minimur123886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

patcher really annoys me, I dunno why

has anything he said come true?

awi59513886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@BitbyDeath

Nintendo is left out because the release like 2 good games a year made by nintendo and 3rd parties ignore them completely thats why. And the wii was a total fad that parents and grandparents bought then didnt play after a few months. Nintendo doesnt have that massive hype to push sales so it wont be a threat at all this gen.

And i couldnt really care in the first place im not buying either of them just setting the fanboys straight. Im gaming on PC only this gen so have fun playing on your overclocked laptops.

UltimateMaster3886d ago

I bet what he means by 30% to 40% is more around 30 times and 40 times more, but he doesn't want Microsoft that.

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MariaHelFutura3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

It's going to sell it by more than that. The PS4 is outselling it 2:1 in NA.
http://www.expertreviews.co...
http://www.vgchartz.com/art...

And it has a head start in 19 countries where the brand pretty much already dominates.
http://www.irishtimes.com/b...
http://www.destructoid.com/...

PS4, it only does everything...better for less money.
http://static.themetapictur...

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xHeavYx3887d ago

@Rewarded
Didn't the PS3 outsell the 360 even with 1 year advantage? This time the One will be watching from behind

MariaHelFutura3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

"I guess the X1 doesn't deserve the same consideration that people demanded the PS3 be given."

No, they don't. They tried to bring the concept of the New World Order to home consoles. They wanted to treat gamers like criminals and took their ball and when home when their FANBASE didn't want to be treated like that. They've told half truth to flat out lies about everything from MGS5 to DRM and Kinect system implementations. Plus, they took Ryse, DR3 and KI from 360 gamers to pad their line up.

The PS3 had BR which is why it was so expensive, launch almost a year and a half later and still outsold the 360. The difference between the 360 and PS3 weren't as slanted as the differences between the PS4 and Xbox One. To top it all off, the Xbox One is more expensive. I would list the reasons here but I can't because they everything the PS4 does better than the Xbox One barely fits in the space they allow you to comment in.

Skips3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@reward

"I guess the X1 doesn't deserve the same consideration that people demanded the PS3 be given."

Thing is, the PlayStation brand is just a lot more powerful than the Xbox brand...

So PS3 catching up (even after a 1+ year behind on the market, $200 price disadvantage, almost 10 million units behind etc.) was already a given.

Take away all those advantages MS had to dominate the gen with the 360, but then still end up losing... Not exactly a great sign for how Xbox One will do against PS4 with almost everything GOING FOR PS4. lol

Could you imagine how much PS3 would've completely stomped the 360 if it released at the same time and not to mention at the same exact price tag???

MariaHelFutura3887d ago

Specs: PS4
Multiplats:PS4
Restrictions: PS4
http://n4g.com/news/1338295...
F2P: PS4
Price: PS4
Exclusive Devs: PS4
TV: Both (PS4 does not require your cable box)
http://www.extremetech.com/...
Camera w/ Voice Recognition: Both
Preorders: PS4
Polls: PS4
Recording Time: PS4
Friendlist: PS4
Countries Available: PS4
Headset Options: PS4
Controller: PS4 (doesn't require AA's or accessories)
Indie Support: PS4
Consistency: PS4
http://www.forbes.com/sites...
Previous Console Support: PS4
http://forums.digitalwarfar...

The Xbox One deserves exactly, what it's gonna get. A backseat to the Playstation for the 3rd time in a row.

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meganick3887d ago

Nothing is outselling anything. They're not even out yet. You're referring to preorders but those aren't a reliable indication of what sales will be like. A lot people only preorder just for the sake of guaranteeing that they can buy a system at launch, but then many of them will cancel their preorders for various reasons. I suspect PS4 will outsell X1, but not by much, only because Microsoft is way better at marketing than Sony, and that makes a big difference in sales.

MariaHelFutura3887d ago

"rewardedone" joined 4 days ago.
http://n4g.com/user/home/re...

These are his only 2 comments.

MysticStrummer3887d ago

It's funny how people like rewardedone like to talk about PS2 sales vs PS3 sales, and they'll mention 360 sales like they were the only factor in people buying fewer PS3s, as if Nintendo also didn't have a huge explosion in sales this generation.

I've said it before but apparently some people don't get it...

PS2 wiped the floor with XBox and... was it Gamecube...? I can't even remember what N's console was last generation... Anyway, PS2 destroyed both, so MS and N had nowhere to go but up and Sony had nowhere to go but down. Nintendo had a huge increase in sales and so did MS, so of course Sony;s market share went down. On top of that, Sony sabotaged themselves by having the highest priced console that was also tougher to code for, and being arrogant about it to boot.

It was not MS alone that knocked Sony out of first place. It was a combination of factors from all three companies.

As for next gen, only time will tell but so far MS has blown it pretty bad and it will cost them early on for sure. When and if they'll recover is anyone's guess, but there's a decent chance they may not win in any territory, including NA.

So far, the best next gen decision MS has made is to keep Titanfall off of PS4, at least temporarily. The rest of their decisions have been so bad they've been forced to change their stated policies and plans multiple times in the space of a few months.

I think MS will be happy if Pachter's prediction turns out to be correct, and being outsold by 25-30% is as bad as it gets.

andibandit3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Sorry but looking at the game preorders is kinda of irrelevant. The mere fact that Amazon have their own bundles for PS4 and not for Xbox1 makes it a bad representation.
Battlefield
Watchdogs
Killzone
Are games that amazon has bundles for with PS4.

Games like COD:Ghosts, AC4 and destiny, would be a better representation.

You can go look for yourself on amazon.com, search "ps4 bundle" and then search "xbox1 bundle"

I have no doubt PS4 will outsell Xbox1, but how much more is something i'll wait for the NPD to reveal.

Skips3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@reward

"Of course PS3 would have stomped 360 if, in 2005, Sony was selling Blu-ray players for $399 when every other manufacturer was selling them for $1000+."

Dude.. Are you joking??? Even WITHOUT Bluray, Sony would've stomped the 360 at $399... lmao. ESPECIALLY if they released at the SAME EXACT TIME...

Saying otherwise is just downright delusional. XD

"That used to be the case."

Not "used to be" if the PlayStation brand closed a near 10 million unit gap, then managed to come out on top. All while stomping the 360's predecessor 2:1 in pre orders in the US (Xbox home turf), and even more so around the world.

That's currently happening NOW. So I don't know where you're getting this "used to be" business from. lol

"However, the Playstation brand went from 150+ million sales to 80 in the span of a generation."

Read MysticStrummer's comment bud...

THAT...

On top of PS2 being on the market for TWELVE YEARS while NEVER having a $600 price point vs. a system that HAS started at a $600 price point being on the market for only SEVEN. Almost half the time of the PS2 and not to mention PS3 JUST reached the golden $199.99 price point. (When PS2 sales went booming)...

"Meanwhile, the Xbox brand went from 25 million to 80 in the same span."

Again, read Mystic's comment... You'd have to be a COMPLETE IDIOT to really think they've done that on their own... lmao

It literally took Sony screwing up a ****load, and all the advantages it would take to dominate a generation (which they didn't) to pull what they did...

That isn't the case this time... And the PlayStation brand, again, is looking much more powerful than the Xbox brand... Pulling in (I repeat DOUBLE the pre orders Xbone is doing on XBox's supposed "home turf")...

Those are the facts buddy...

If Microsoft lose their home turf (which is ALREADY happening), it's over... lol Ain't no way they're pulling Japan and Europe out from under Sony without all the advantages ($200 price point, ease of development, 1+year etc.etc.) they had going into last gen.

_-EDMIX-_3887d ago

@rewardedone

.....you do know that PS2 sold 50 million units....THIS GEN RIGHT? LMFAO! So...how did they "lose" to people who technically just own PS2's and have yet to buy PS3's?

And wait.....did PS3 just stop selling? Link? PS3 is STILL selling and its still available and its clear Sony will keep supporting it in the long run.

I mean...did you not hear Pach say PS2's were selling even this year? Just saying. Technically those folks who bought PS2's are STILL PLAYING THEM! I mean...when they want a PS3, they will get it at 99...JUST like they got the PS2 THIS GEN at $99.

Sorry, but there is no proof to say 50 or so million people bought 360's after PS2s...during the same gen ie 2006-NOW just happen to go PS2-360 the same gen. If they couldn't afford a PS3, I find it hard to see them affording a PS2, then a 360 a year later. Cause technically a year later the PS3 has a price drop. Sorry but it doesn't add up, PS systems have not been known to just randomly stop selling once a new gen starts.

PS1 got to 100 million during PS2's gen and PS2 got to 150 during PS3's gen.

Why don't you do the most obvious thing based on this thing called history and talk to us during the middle of PS4's gen before we speak on PS3's install based.

and fyi no one knows how many 360 are even working in terms of a install base. There is a reason why PS3 games have been selling better despite having a so called "equal" install base. Its because of the 30% failure rate on 360. Thats like what...10 or so million units that are technically dead!? LOL!

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Skips3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@reward

"a study two years ago showed that 360's sold at a HIGHER average price than PS3's - negating the argument that most people bought the $199 360."

Source??? Because if I remember correctly... The PS3 has been continually outselling the Xbox 360 year after year, closing the near 10 million gap even WHEN they were at a $200 disadvantage.

Or are you talking about the US market ONLY, which isn't even relevant to this OVERALL MARKET SHARE topic? lol

And I'm not talking about them being at the same price YEARS after launch when MS has already penetrated Sony's market share. lmao... I'm talking about them getting stomped AT LAUNCH... If Sony released a console at $399.99, at the same exact time as MS (even WITHOUT Bluray.)

XD They would've indeed "gotten stomped", AT LAUNCH, if they were to release AT THE SAME TIME, with THE EXACT SAME PRICE POINT...

"Just like it took MS screwing up a ****load to hand Sony the early advantage with PS4. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe that Sony's done this on their own."

LMAO!!! And yet even with all the reversals BEFORE launch... MS STILL can't catch up to Sony in pre orders??? Just WOOOOOW! XD

And not to mention the scale of MS messing up isn't anywhere CLOSE to how long Sony screwing up lasted...

Sony's mistakes = After launch and not to mention it continuing much much later... And yet they were still able to out sell Xbox 360 YEAR AFTER YEAR...

MS's mistakes = Before launch, till they practically reversed EVERYTHING their so called vision was about... And haven't even moved an INCH in terms of pre orders vs. the PS4... Maybe a sudden surge then it died off, but still nowhere near in comparison...

Big difference buddy.

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YNWA963887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Wow, you people NOW agree with Pachter?
Hi Maria, how are those links? Wish I had the time to troll like that....

Edit. Why do people want Sony domination again? Last time that happened they went stupid.... Also, I like how classy senior Sony management are these days, taking shots at MS.... Air of arrogance? I do not remember senior people at MS making comments about Sony, simple to just say nothing, concentrate on your own product....

HiddenMission3887d ago

I dont agree with pachter normally but this time hes right.

You must be new to gaming or have a lapse in memory because MS talked shit about Sony for the last 7 years. It wasnt until Sony closed the gap to a million units did MS close their holes.

Try and spin it all you want but MS is not an innocent company by any means.

MysticStrummer3887d ago

"I do not remember senior people at MS making comments about Sony"

You have a bad memory then.

JessiePinkmanYo3886d ago

YNWA96-Sony takes shots at MS just as most corporations do towards their competition. MS makes themselves the easy target nowadays, and shows how out of touch they are with the ideas and thought (or lack of) going on with the X1.
Also...Please don't pawn MS as classy, and their is no shortage of arrogance in that camp. It was MS who stated the infamous "No online connection? We have a product for that called the 360"...Taking shots at customers who have no internet access (military overseas, college students etc) Yeah...that's class.
Before you label me as a Sony fanboy, I have a 360 and both PS4/X1 on preorder. Its also September and STILL no solid release date. If there is a delay, or if the "yield/ESRAM" rumor turns out true, looks like Im switching that $499 into games and accessories for the PS4.

PSjesus3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

PS4 well reach 100m unit while Xbox1 in mid 30m
It's PS2 vs Xbox 1(the real one) all over again
i think this is MS last gaming console they
did a huge research cost them millions and it failed miserably even before the system release

If SONY manage to beat MS in North A this the end for
them,Europe,Asia,ME south America all are PS brand loyal fan

meganick3887d ago

I'm endlessly amused by people who think the PS4 will DECIMATE the X1. I have little doubt PS4 will outsell X1, but not by as much as many seem to think, at least in the US. Remember, Microsoft's marketing is second to none, and Kinect is VERY popular with the large casual gaming crowd. I would dare say that there's a slim chance the X1 could outsell PS4. I don't think it will, but it is possible, in the US that is.

PSjesus3887d ago

X360 had a Full year before PS3,also 3 years with games looks better on 360 while ported to PS3
exclusive contend and better online service ..... yet PS3 outsold it world wide.
motion control is sooo last gen even Nintendo understood this lesson,casual gaming is on phone tablet and touch screen if i want to lose wait i can go to gym instead of staying at home staring at overprice camera

kreate3887d ago

"Microsoft's marketing is second to none"

While I agree w this statement, Microsoft failed at marketing the xbox one so far.

They even admitted they need to communicate better to the consumers.

_-EDMIX-_3887d ago

Now I don't see MS qutting gaming. I do see depending on how badly it sells that the higher ups start to really question weather or not its worth it. Now MS lost a lot on XB1, lost a crap load on 360 RROD, made a crap load back from Kinect and now are going to lose AGAIN with XONE.

I'm sorry but for the billions put into this brand, they should really not be at number 3 or 2 every damn gen. But placement means nothing really...they should not be losing a pile of money every damn gen with nothing really to show for it.

What did you guys get from 360 that you didn't get for XB1 to keep you interested?

Fable? Halo? Forza? That is the issue. Why on earth are they still sleeping on new IP's? The folks buying PS4 day 1 are looking forward to InFamous, DriveClub, sequels to Uncarted, The Last Of Us etc.

InFamous came out this gen, Drive Club is a new IP for next gen, Uncharted is last gen etc. ie A IP THEY DID NOT GET ON PS2 IE THEY ARE NEW PEOPLE BUYING PS GAMES!

So what that you didn't like God Of War, here is Uncharted, hated GT, here is Motorstorm, don't like Sly, here is InFamous, don't like Socom, here is MAG....yeah MAG! I mean, the issue here is they are making you take a second look at the PS brand....EVERY DAMN GEN! So you don't like Infamous? Don't like The Last Of Us? Don't like Motorstorm? You might Like The Order, you might like Driveclub etc.

Can you say the same about a chunk of MS ips?

Don't like Fable....well here is Fable 2 and 3. Don't like Forza....well here is Forza 2 and 3.......horizon, don't like Halo...well here is Halo 3, 4.....ODST...REACH! This...this is the issue at hand. Many keep seeing the brand as JUST those IPs and can you blame them?

_-EDMIX-_3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

XONE...Forza 5, Halo 5, Fable Journey. It seems they've learned nothing. But new IP's you say?

Well.....remember theses.

Fusion Frenzy
Blinx....

Perfect Dark Zero
Viva Pinata

My issue is, MSGS has really never supported a new ip past 3 games that WASN'T the big 4 ie Halo, Forza, Fable, PGR (and even PGR has no team as of right now)

Mass Effect you say? Gears Of War you say? MS owned NEITHER IP! It goes to show you, they seem to be more interested in selling you a system then a idea or a brand ie we will publish the game....don't expect us to fund it, support it in terms of teams etc. Things need to change at MSGS cause it seems that they are only interested in getting you to buy a system and then slowly just kinecting and HFFPG THE HELL OUT OF THERE (Halo, Forza, Fable, PG).

Its like those new ips are just to get you thinking "oh yea THIS time MS will support it for years to come..things are going to be different".

I mean damn they sold the most this gen AND STILL DIDN'T SUPPORT IT IN THE LONG RUN! Expect a quick getaway in about 2 years and less and less exclusives. I mean..by then they got what they wanted right? Ever question why a company that plans to spend money in-house for a whole gen is paying for timed exclusives? I mean...why waste money on something temporary when your actually funding something that is permanent?

Cause they aren't. They are only interested in those first year sales hints why they are paying for 2 timed exclusives currently. remember...MS payed 100 million for DLC alone...how much do you think they are paying for a damn full game to say on XONE for a year? MY GOD 2 GAMES!! Thats how MS feels about making in-house IPs. If they wanted to, they would clearly be focusing on that. They have one foot in and one foot out. Sorry but it really sounds like MS could really sit back and become a publisher cause they don't seem to be too interested in investing in new ips too much.

Its like MS really only cares about you buying the system for 1 game. Once you buy it for that new ip, don't expect sequels. They seem to only be interested in getting systems out the door and not about long term support.

Look at every PS system in terms of support for new ips.....look at MS systems in terms of new ips. ........now look at then 6 and 7 years later and tell me who is really supporting new ips.

MS don't care about keeping people coming...they just care about sucking people in with timed exclusives. They could care less if you bought it by mistake thinking it was a REAL exclusive LOL!

PSjesus3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

I just want to add
Sony is an electronic manufacturing company high quality hardware is there business so it's cheap for them.

Nintendo is Gaming company making games is theire business

Microsoft in other hand is a rich software company
used to have extra money to waste in 2000s,but now with the rise of Google and Linux also the popularity of Apple they need this money .instead of wasting it on gaming devices they can support it on Windows and enhance their OS ........ that's why Balmer and Don fired,even the richest companies try to avoid loss with heavy competition

kneon3886d ago (Edited 3886d ago )

@meganick

There is a good chance that the PS4 could pull way ahead early on. Multiplayer is a huge factor now in console sales, for many people the choice of console will come down to what their friends are buying since they want to play with their friends on line.

This network effect can potentially put them way ahead early on if most people are only going to buy one of the consoles up front. Of course even if this happens Microsoft could make up ground later on if they can put out a good string of must have exclusives.

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USMC_POLICE3887d ago

But but it has voice command lol I went to game stop to pick up splinter cell Friday and buy another ps4 game. The guy tried to get me to switch to Xbox one he said he played it at there GameStop event along with ps4 and bone was so much better and battlefield looked better on xbone and he tried to get me to preorder cod. I laughed and said na sony deserves my money for there system and 6 games I have reserved they haven't changed there attitude and policies.

JessiePinkmanYo3886d ago

He was full of crap considering the fact that even the PS4s and X1s at Gamescon and E3 were actually dev kits on PC. Also-More stupid points on him for promoting a company who tried to eliminate the used game market.
If you believe his story, I have a bridge to sell you.

Paytaa3887d ago

There's a pretty high chance that the sky might be blue tomorrow but not everyone is sure.

aceitman3887d ago

patcher said hulu has no ads lmao they have ads every 15, minutes.ur wrong again patcher.

Godz Kastro3886d ago

Now pacheter is right all of the sudden... hypocrisy.

showtimefolks3886d ago

this will turn ugly in comments section, fact is price matters more than anything else. Early on when parents will be buying a new system for their kids when they go into a store they will be told about $100 less for ps4

for us core gamers we don't mind paying but for casuals yes it does make a difference

but both will be successful so no need for any hating on ps4 or xbox one

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nooneknows3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

I do believe that the PS4 could either crush the Xbox One if they continue to do what they do, or just outsell the Xbox by 10-12 Million.

I highly doubt the Xbox One will out sell the PS4, it just doesn't look likely with the NA market slipping from them.

BTW, this guy is always wrong.

stuna13887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Right now I think the Xbox1 could be proven to be stronger than the PS4 at this point, similar price point and the PS4 would still outsell it! Due to the indecisiveness on Microsofts part! They've flat out damaged their brand on their own without Sony or Nintendo help.

With no true gauge of where they're headed even the management is being seen as incompetent, major players are leaving before the system has even released! If someone could show how this would breed confidence in the system please fill free to tell me how.

nooneknows3886d ago

PS4 pre-orders are higher than Xbox One pre-orders in NA.

That's insane.

MS shot themselves and Sony took advantage.

Gamers are pretty sensitive, it took time for them to forgive Sony's $599 outrageous price for PS3, but it was no where near as bad as DRM. Not only that but a $599 PS3 provided a lot of stuff that the Xbox 360 couldn't.

Benjammin253887d ago

PC and PS4 this gen for me. Although I do believe that the One has a lot of potential and I wish MS and it's future fans the best of luck with it. Same goes for the Wii U and Vita (Love my Vita.). 3DS does not require or want my support so it shan't receive it from me.

theWB273887d ago

Lets see how many people now agree with the famous Pachter.

HammadTheBeast3887d ago

I disagree with him.There's no way PS4 will outsell XBO by 25-30 percent.

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It'll be at LEAST 50% :D

Lol, gotta love these next months coming up. It's fun adding fuel to the fires.

theWB273887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

N4G is gonna blow a gasket come release. : )

Mac is OK3887d ago

He's probably just talking about the US numbers, which is what he covers and where Xbox is the strongest.

TheFutureIsBlue3887d ago

Lol n4g will be like a nuke going off when the new consoles come out. This site will be blowing up with next gen game reviews. The fire will grow even bigger with killzone shadowfall reviews vs ryse reviews, then the site will go silent because everyone won't give a shit because we will all be going into gaming comas =D

Hicken3887d ago

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Pachter's usually wrong. And when he isn't, it's because he states something so obvious my four year-old nephew could figure it out.

lol at you thinking people are flip-flopping. It'd be worse if they denied what he said simply because he's almost always wrong, as that would mean they weren't even paying attention to what he was saying.

.. sorta like you.

theWB273887d ago

I own up to everything I write....everytime all the time. Usually pretty spot on too, but I can see how being on the other side of the fence and seeing my facts can make you a little...blue. Haha get it, you're a Sony boy and their color is blue and...ah forget it.

Hicken3887d ago

So which "fact" is making me blue this time?

And where are you owning up to your poor attempt at... whatever the hell you were doing here? Assuming that Sony people would agree with Pachter just because he's saying something positive about Sony, rather than realizing he's essentially stating the obvious. Assuming that he's ALWAYS wrong, because he's wrong MOST of the time.

As I said, he can be right if he states the obvious.

Oh, wait. You didn't even respond to any of that. I wonder why that is..?

theWB273887d ago

"So which "fact" is making me blue this time?"

My original comment wasn't a fact nor an opinion.

What is there to own upto? I posted lets see how many agree with him. If you let me know whats to own upto then I will.

Even my second comment was stating how N4G is gonna blow once the consoles release. Is there something to own up there too?

I'm lost...the reason I'm not responding to the other stuff is there's no real need.

But....just let me know what I need to own upto.

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No_Limit3887d ago

Oh OH. Now that Pachter had made that predicton, it will be the other way around. Pachter had just cursed the console war.

potedude3887d ago

That's it, Sony are screwed now... lol

This guy always seems to state the obvious, and get it wrong somehow. Lets hope it doesn't pan out that way this time!

scott1823887d ago

Yeah, he is insane to think the PS4 will outsell the Xbone by only 25-30%. try to buy it on amazon Patcher. It's sold out again my friend!

xc7x3887d ago

likely more because he's usually behind schedule,never right on or ahead of schedule

christrules00413887d ago

No. It's more like curse of the third console.

ABeastNamedTariq3887d ago

If Sony announces a new Uncharted or God of War, The Last of Us, or hell, the moment a new Gran Turismo is announced, I can see sales skyrocketing even more. But Halo and Titanfall will do the same thing, methinks. Gears too, probably. I'd like a new one.

C-Thunder3887d ago

Agreed, though I don't think gears has the same clout as Halo or GT.

_-EDMIX-_3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

and really...who said anything about Gears Being exclusive? UE4 works on PS4 too and Epic owns the Gears name not MS. I see Epic making Gears Multiplate, there is just too much money to be had, mind you Gears sells just as much units as a Uncharted and I feel it sorta should be selling more all with its broader appeal and stuff. I see Gears on every system but Wii U selling a monster amount compared to just being on XONE. Mind you with XONE likely having the lessor units...it might be a bit much to ask Epic to make a timed game on a system that is selling less and is the weaker of the 3. Just saying...Epic has to compete against other games too.

Halo isn't the name it used to be in terms of sales. Though doing well, I'm not sure about this next one. Take into account that Bungie is doing Destiny which will be on XONE AND PS4 along with PS3 and 360. I see chunks of Halo sales going to the original team that created the damn thing....BUNGIE! Gears is not a bad game, but no way does it have the same unit pushing numbers that a GT or Halo have.

GT5 did like 10 million units. And to the Forza lovers.....GT5 almost sold more units THEN THE WHOLE DAMN FORZA SERIES COMBINED! LOL! Don't care how arcade racers feel about Sim games. Go back to playing your NFS Shift type game, played Forza...zero learning curve. Know why? Your talking to a dude that plays GT, you learn how to play GT, Forza is just as easy as driving a car in GTA! LOL!

mafiahajeri3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

The gran turismo crowd are not to be taken lightly once GT7 is announced millions of them YES millions will buy a PS4 just for GT7.

Their am interesting bunch they will buy the Console just for GT really dedicated fans.

HammadTheBeast3887d ago

Gran Turismo 5 PROLOGUE sold 5.5 million alone. It wasn't even a "real" game.

xc7x3887d ago

im one of those gt weirdos lol

qu1ckset3887d ago

I was a huge GT1-GT3 Fan, played GT4 wasn't impressed, and GT5 was crap compared to forze imo, I hope GT6 is ported to PS4 so I can see if the revitalized the series! I really hope consoles get a new racing sim to compete with GT and Forza

Narutone663887d ago

Count me as one of those who will buy a PS4 just for GT7. I bought my PS3 just for GT Prologue/GT5, heck, I even bought the first version slim PS3 white, after my fat 60GB PS3 YLOD on me and was sent for repairs. I even bought the Logitech G25 racing wheel and mounting bracket which cost more than the G25.

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PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher

With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?

thorstein3d ago

No, and they already solved any need with the overlay that's coming.

Vits3d ago

Unless they are trying to kill their recently created PC business, I would advise against opening a dedicated PC store. It's an extremely hard endeavor, and people, in general, are very comfortable with Steam. Even Epic, with their billions of dollars invested, is still struggling to find a foothold, and they have Fortnite.

just_looken2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Money is one thing security is another but again millions have 0 knowledge past 2020.

Epic store for years struggled with a shopping cart/account theft/credit card theft

Rockstar launcher/store to this day over 5 years later still has horrific user interface security flaws lost account's and stolen CC

Then you got that activision need phone number oh we lost it launcher

The crown jewel is the ea launcher/store ea app 3 yrs old still has hundreds of threads were people lost games/accounts/game access or just straight up crashes.

Edit" Oh ubi launcher were you buy a game that may or may not be there again or work and the launcher 5yrs old still has no 4K support if you launch it on a 4k screen there is a high chance it will just crash.

ocelot072d ago

Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming.

It's just a known fact. The PC gaming community prefer Steam and Steam alone. They don't like different launchers. I personally don't mind them. But majority just stick with steam. Hence why EA and Ubisoft went back to on releasing on steam and why Microsoft release games on steam as people hated buying from the windows store.

The only other launchers that I imagine are doing ok is GOG due to being drm free and epic games due to the free games every week. Sony shouldn't release any sort of pc launcher n

Nitrowolf22d ago (Edited 2d ago )

It literally says in the OP that PC gamers don't like multiple launchers lol. It even mentions Steam being the go to for gamers

Tacoboto2d ago

Title: "PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher"

N4G: "Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming"

When you don't even read the headline...

ocelot072d ago

I read it and had a brain fart. As read the title then this "With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?"

So I hold my hands up on that mistake. Rest of my comment still stands.

Giblet_Head2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Steam and GOG are highly preferred because of the rich feature set. Ubisoft, Rockstar, EA, Epic etc have all set a precedent over the years for customers to instinctively expect individual publisher launchers to be so extremely half-assed that the majority simply don't want to bother dealing with what is almost an inevitable disappointment by comparison to Steam or GOG. Those publishers and their inaction or general disinterest to improve have effectively ruined any future adoption to be taken seriously.

Einhander19722d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This is just another ridiculous double standard article.

It's like how Microsoft can spend 20 years of making nothing but gaas and live service style games to sell microtransactions, dlc and subscriptions and get praise for doing it, but if Sony wants to make a single game like that every website under the sun is writing articles saying how Sony is anti-consumer or whatever.

derek2d ago

Yep, huge double standard look at the tortured reaction to the ps5pro, websites hyperventilating like Sony is forcing people to buy it.

just_looken2d ago

Wait my xbox from 2004 has avengers gaas on it? wow your so smart

m$ Gaas started with the other companies like sony

Gamepass yes they are deep into that but its still a huge money saver sense you do not own your games then get a service like that.

Now there pc xbox launcher that is trash for years now

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10110d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref9d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde9d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19729d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville9d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21839d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos9d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai10d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref9d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan9d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0078d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197210d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref9d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde9d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19729d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19729d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier9d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto9d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21839d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto9d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman9d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts9d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts8d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic9d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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