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The PS4's Halo Effect On The PS Vita Is Kicking Into Overdrive

ET writes: "We’re now less than three months away from the PS4 launch, and Sony’s momentum in the gaming industry has only increased. Countless developers are lining up to support the PS4, the Xbox One continues to struggle with its identity, and the PlayStation Vita’s value is seemingly getting better by the day."

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Belking3892d ago ShowReplies(5)
STANK083892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

Nothing can hide the fact that the Vita has no games. Meaning, There are little to no games "crafted" specifically for the Vita. Without tailored made experiences, the Vita is no more than a glorified second screen companion for the PS4.

And yes I own A Vita. I picked mine up at launch for PS3 remote play purposes promised by Sony.

LOGICWINS3892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

I'm sure if the Vita doesn't do well this holiday that Sony will come out with that $499 PS4/Vita bundle a lot sooner than they originally planned.

At this point they want to see how many people are willing to buy the PS4/Vita separately for 600 bucks before giving the Vita away for $99.

A $199 Vita will sway a few people who were on the fence, but ultimately that "rumor" of a PS4/Vita will will only lead to people holding out on BOTH the PS4 and Vita. This won't be a problem this year since the PS4 will sell out regardless, but once Spring 2014 hits and the PS4 becomes easily available, all the hardcore Sony fanboys will have already bought a PS4(and likely also to have a Vita since Feb 2012)...and Sony will have to rely on the other 97% of their fanbase that want a Vita/PS4 but don't want to pay $599 to get both (as evidenced by these people not buying at launch).

Salooh3892d ago

You expecting a 100$ vita ?. I wouldn't mind if it cost 1$ but that's just not reasonable. 200$ is really cheap now considering that the vita only been out for a year , Vita have games but not a lot of AAA games, Remove that problem and look how everyone race to get one :P . Costs was never the problem , it just need something un resistible , tekken fans would buy a vita if it have one , that's just an example.

Plus , it need to be more open in apps . I want to have tango instead of skype in vita , that would be awesome :) . That's just one example of how great that would be :P

LOGICWINS3892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

"You expecting a 100$ vita ?. I wouldn't mind if it cost 1$ but that's just not reasonable."

Ummm....yeah. Thats what I said. At THIS point, its not reasonable because the price just dropped last week and there plenty of people out there who will be happy to buy a Vita out there for $199(especially on Black Friday).

HOWEVER, if there ISN'T a dramatic shift in sales by the end of the year, then we WILL see that $499 PS4/Vita bundle by the second quarter of next year.

"Vita have games but not a lot of AAA games, Remove that problem and look how everyone race to get one"

And in your opinion did Sony fix that problem at Gamescom? I keep hearing "if Sony did this" or "when Sony does that". Thats the problem with the Vita. Its a console thats expected to be sold by promises that will manifest at some undisclosed time in the future. Its the same reason why no one besides the hardcore Sony elite gave a hoot about the PS3 in 2006-2008.

trafalger3892d ago

game developers will be paying close attention to holiday sales. if the lower price makes a big difference expect a lot more games coming. the more hardware sold means game developers are more likely to support it.

the above was taken directly out of michael pachters handbook.

miyamoto3891d ago (Edited 3891d ago )

Don't go far ahead of yourself too much, mate.

Look at the world around you outside of your computer monitor.

You'll be amazed in real life that many hardcore adult gamers who own Vita's are Xbox 360 gamers and don't even have PS3s specially here in America.

Many practical hadrcore gamers out number internet warriors in real life.

And I hope you guys haven't forgot about Gaikai cloud gaming.

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Bennibop3892d ago

Could not disagree more! Kill zone is looking and playing brilliant, tear away, borderlands 2 and batman to come plus already have lbp, uncharted, wipeout, assassins creed and plenty of Indy support never been happier with a mobile device,

Transporter473892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

I hate when people say it doesn't have any games, it doesn't have triple AAA games, but they failed to either see them, they say its an indie machine but tell me, are we here to play games or judge them because they haven't used millions of dollars to develop them?

Anon19743892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

I certainly haven't felt the Vita lacked games. I lack time to play all the games I want to play on my Vita.

Rimfro3892d ago

But it's not a lack of games, it's a lack of good games that I can only experience on the Vita. Name 10 games that can't be purchased on a tablet, the PS3, or another Sony device in some form. The standouts for me are Escape Plan, Gravity Rush, and the 999 follow-up. Nearly everything else can be played on another platform that a true Sony fan likely owns. Nobody is trying to hurt your feelings by stating that they have been underwhelmed by their $250 purchase, thus far.

Inception3892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

@Rimfro

"But it's not a lack of games, it's a lack of good games that I can only experience on the Vita. Name 10 games that can't be purchased on a tablet, the PS3, or another Sony device in some form."

Dokuro
Ys Celceta
Escape Plan
Murasaki Baby
Tearaway
Freedom Wars
Soul Sacrifice
Toukiden
Silent Hill: Book of Memories
Sumioni
Valhalla Knights 3
KZ: Mercenary

There, you got 12 good games (imho) that exclusive for Vita and can't be purchased on tablet, PS3, or any sony device.

And yes, i don't have a Vita and i'm planning on buying one in the end of this year with Ys Celceta, Tearaway, Muramasa Rebirth, and P4G. So i don't understand why some people keep replaying the mantra of "Vita doesn't have any games" over and over again. Maybe this people are stupid, 100% brain dead, or just a hater.

Anon19743892d ago

What the hell does it matter if a game is a port of a PS3 game? If I haven't played it on the PS3 yet, it's new to me. I've never understood the mentality of people who write of game ports as someone not counting. A good game is a good game, no matter what platform it's on. We don't argue that a game like Dishonored doesn't count as a decent game because it's available on multiple platforms, yet people make that argument with Vita ports all the time. Ridiculous.

Inception3891d ago

@dakride666

I never understand that too. Because two from three games that i got when i'm bought a 3DS is a port (Zelda OoT and Tales of the Abyss) from N64 and PS2. But those games still gave me tons of fun. So why Vita can't have the same step is beyond my comprehension.

Joe9133891d ago

I agree I am in the KillZone beta and think once people see this they will see how good a AAA game should look on vita. I think all it needs is a Infamous, GT or DC, and or a Metal Gear if Kojima put a Metal Gear on the vita exclusively then it would sell the damn thing people buy consoles for Metal Gear lol.

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XisThatKid3892d ago

I understand how you feel but I have to disagree. I love my Vita I barely use remote play currently but the controller opion for LBP is awesome. your description for the Vita is aplied only to you and like minded gamers. I've had mine for bout a year and I love it. Im using it to type this right now. Def more than a second screen imo. With games like Uncharted, Grav Rush, Stealth inc, Soul sacrifice, a bunch of RPGs, PSone and PSP games justified my time with it with many more games.

Now I'm not saying its not unerdeveloped but its definently more than my glorified second srceen.

levian3892d ago

Love how many disagrees you got, that's retarded. Say anything negative about anything that isn't Microsoft and people instantly hate you for it.

Time for the obligatory - No, I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, I own a PS3, PS2, PS1, PS Vita and no Microsoft consoles.

Rimfro3892d ago

@stank08

You might want to be careful, because even though you own it, and want those unique vita experiences, and keep waiting for it show you something that makes you say, "Man, I'm glad I own this device, because it offered me an experience I've never seen before!", you'll be disagreed with to no end or accused of trolling. It doesn't matter that you want to see the system improve and that you dropped the cash as an early adopter. If you don't say, "OMG, The Vita is the bestest thing since Rolaids!", you are a trolling, hating, ignorant, jerk.

Opinions can prove fatal when dealing with the Gestapo... (Disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's an impressive system with nearly limitless potential, and arguably the best first-party studios in all of gaming, but hasn't really offered anything unique that can't be achieved somewhere else, and it's biggest selling point for the immediate future touted by Sony itself, is the ability to stream PS4 games to it and use it as a second screen.)

LordNikon3892d ago

He said the Vita has NO games though. But the Vita does have games, people will disagree with that because its not true. Hyperbolic drivel like that is not acceptable just because he was disappointed with amount of AAA games on his device.

Mr_Writer853891d ago

Why is the PS3 in your argument?

In that case take away every Mario, Zelda game, take away Monster Hunter, Animal Crossing and Prof Layton games on the 3DS as they are all on the Wii/WiiU.

Infact does the 3DS have ANY exclusive first party IP's?

No?

Yet you named 2 on the Vita yet still use this as a stick to beat the Vita with.

Joe9133891d ago

I think they are leaning on the indie for the uniqe games but I dont think that will sell the vita like I said in comment above they need something like COD done right or Metal Gear people can say what they want about new uniqe games which I have no problem with but I bet you that if they put a Metal Gear Solid on the vita with no touch controls the vita will sell like crazy. Metal Gear sells consoles COD could if it was exclusive. But to me there are a lot of kool touch features in the KZ game and the Uncharted game that makes sense and don't feel like they are forcing you to use the touch pad.

dcj05243892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

GRAVITY RUSH was the only convincing I needed. You should get you're brain checked out. Because you must be completely incompetent to say the "VITA has no games". That statement is so retarted. Espically considering the vita better/more games in it's first year than PS3 or 360 combined.The 3DO has no games.The jaguar has no games. But to say the VITA has/had no games is so ignorant beyond belief.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Rimfro3892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

It's not ignorance, I own nearly 100gb of games for primary use on my Vita. It's the fact that I had already played most of them on my PS3, PS2, PS1, or even a tablet, and many of them could be directly played ony PS3 in better form, or as a full featured experience ala Uncharted, LBP, Guacamelee, etc. I have purchased every system Sony has released, and had to have a backup hd because I filled my 500gb with games only. I have owned every version of the ps3 this gen and even went as far as having a second to install in my wife's Honda Odyssey due to it's excellent Blu-ray playback. (And the fact that PS+ keeps throwing more games at me than I know what to do with.)

Maybe I only see things this way because I also own a 3DS. I'm used to games on Nintendo handhelds being designed in such a way that I can't have that same experience on any other gaming platform. I want that from my Vita. Especially since it has so many different types of control inputs to utilize. It needs more urgent support from Sony in the tune of exclusive games that utilize exactly what it is that makes the Vita unique in the first place. I didn't buy it to have PS3-lite, or to be used as an emulator. I want Vita hardware-specific experiences more often than a handful of times.

ricochetmg3892d ago

@stank08 the wii has no games...the vita has a lot of games

snitch_puck3891d ago

I respect your opinion. But it really STANK! yuck! haha.

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Rimeskeem3892d ago

The vita will turn into the ps3 except portable hopefully

tubers3892d ago

Only in Japan, realistically speaking.. as it's becoming more of a PS3 multi-platform device there.

Plenty of Western 3rd party seem to be too busy milking the iOS/Android trend. They'd rather do these low investment games with likely "enough" returns (Deus Ex? Dead Space? Mass Effect? Cheap sports and racers?).

objdadon3892d ago

I've been a launch purchaser of a vita and have not regretted it one bit! It is a steal to be able to get it at 199.99!

Rimeskeem3892d ago

well i wouldn't say a steal because you have to buy the 80$ and 18$ ps+ and memory card for true experience and 300$(includes tax) is something id rather use for ps4 but when the vita gets even cheaper a gaikia proves worth then i will probably buy it

DarkHeroZX3892d ago

actually you can get the cheap 4-8 gig and I've seen 16 gigs for $30. Abd PS+ works across all your PS devices so its really a non issue. And with PS= you already got atleast 6 games to play right there.

Protagonist3892d ago (Edited 3892d ago )

@sckipt

Nah you dont have to buy the "80$ and 18$ ps+ and memory card for true experience".

My experience is true enough with my launch 4GB and physical games.

I only downloaded a couple of games, one which was P3P, played it through once again (since I already own and played my physical PSP copy twice) and then stored it on my PS3 (could also have stored it on my PC, which means I have plenty of GB)

And am getting the physical copies of Killzone, Batman and Tearaway, so no need for a bigger mem for me.

Rimfro3892d ago

Yeah, but $30 for 16gb is still ridiculously overpriced in today's market. I've never paid more than $20 for 32gb of sd memory in my life. It's not like the Vita memory offers faster read/write speeds to justify it's inflated price. Other than the fact that they make it a special shape or size, how does it command a 200% increased msrp over similar and faster memory of the industry standard. Don't get me wrong, if you are concerned about if you can afford the memory for the system, you should probably not even be buying a new console (you probably can't afford it), but let's not pretend that the prices on Vita memory are some kind of value.

staticdash223892d ago

The PS Vita has a high attach rate. So consumers that generally get their hands on the system, love it. Sony did right by removing one barrier from increasing the install base, which was the high price. The first party vita games coming are good, but the third parties need to step up and help out. Nothing is gonna change if someone doesn't take a risk.

GdaTyler3892d ago

Don't know why you get disagrees because what you said was spot on.

snitch_puck3891d ago

probably disagreed by STANK and his gang on the first comments.

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Bethesda Needs to Reduce the Gaps Between New Fallout and Elder Scrolls Releases

Waiting a decade for new instalments in franchises as massive as Fallout and Elder Scrolls feels like a waste.

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-Foxtrot10h ago

Microsoft have Obsidian but I feel it's Bethesda who just don't want to play ball as they've always said they want to do it themselves.

Once MS bought Zenimax in 2020 they should have put the Outer Worlds 2 on the back burner, allow Bethesda to finish off its own Space RPG with Starfield (despite totally different tone why have two in your first party portfolio with two developers who's gameplay is a tad similar) and got Obsidian for one of their projects to make a spiritual successor to New Vegas.

When the Elder Scrolls VI is finished Bethesda can then onto the main numbered Fallout 5 themselves.

The Outer Worlds 2 started development in 2019 so putting it on the back burner wouldn't have been the end of the world, they'd have always come back to it once Fallout was done and it would have been nicely spaced out from Starfields release once they had most likely stopped supporting it and all the expansions were released.

If they did this back in 2020 when they bought Zenimax and the game had a good, steady 4 - 5 years development, you might have seen it release in 2025.

We are literally going to be waiting until 2030 at the very earliest for Fallout 5 and all they seem bothered about is pushing Fallout 76.

RaidenBlack8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Its not just only Todd not playing ball.
Obsidian have made a name for themselves in delivering stellar RPGs, but most famous once have always been sequels/spin-offs to borrowed IPs like KOTOR 2, Neverwinter Nights 2, Fallout: New Vegas, Stick of Truth etc.
Obsidian wants to invest more in their own original IPs like Outer Worlds or Pillars of Eternity with Avowed.
Similar to what Bluepoint & inXile wants to do or Kojima is doing (i.e not involving anymore in Konami's IPs).
So yea, even if New Vegas has the most votes from 3D Fallout fans, Obsidian just wants to do their own thing, like any aspiring dev studio and MS is likely currently respecting that.
But a future Fallout game from Obsidian will surely happen. Founder Feargus Urquhart has already stated an year ago that they're eager to make a new Fallout game with Bethesda, New Vegas 2 or otherwise. Urquhart was the director of the very first 1995's Fallout game after all.
And don't forget Brian Fargo and his studio inXile, as Brian Fargo was the director of Fallout's 1988 predecessor: Wasteland

KyRo4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Obsidian should take over the FO IP. They're do far better with it than Bethesda who hasn't made a great game for almost 15 years

Duke194h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I disagree. Part of these games is the support for the mod community. If they move to releasing a "next game" every 2 or 3 years, the modding support plummets and the franchises turn into just another run of the mill RPG.

Make the games good enough to withstand the test of time, to keep people coming back to them and expanding on them with mod support.

--Onilink--1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

I dont think anyone is saying they need to come out every 2 years (not to mention almost no game is released that quickly anymore)

By the time Fallout 5 comes out, it will be more than 15 years since Fallout 4 came out (same with ES6 coming out 15 years after Skyrim). Even if you want to use F76 as the metric for the most recent release, that one came out in 2018. It will be a miracle if F5 comes out before 2030

The point is that for a studio that doesnt seem to operate with multiple teams doing several projects at once, that their projects normally take 4-5 years as a minimum, and that now they even added Starfield to the rotation, it becomes a 15+ years waiting period between releases for each series, which doesnt make sense. Imagine that Nintendo only released a mainline Mario or Zelda game every 15 years…

They either need to start developing more than 1 project at a time, let someone else take a crack at one of the IPs or significantly reduce their development times

Duke1928m ago(Edited 25m ago)

Why should someone else take a crack at one of the IPs? Look at what happened to Final Fantasy as a recent example - there is pretty clear FF fatigue setting in because they are now pumping out titles in the franchise every few years. Pumping out more games faster doesn't always make a series better.

There are plenty of options to make new games, not just create more titles in the same universe at a faster pace.

mandf1h ago

Yeah I’m going to say it, who cares about the modding community when making a game? Half the time developers only tolerate modders because they fix there game for them.

Skuletor3h ago

Yeah, let's all advocate for smaller gaps between series' releases, then we'll probably get headlines about how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven. Let them cook.

SimpleSlave2h ago

"how the series have dropped in quality and they could have benefited from more time in the oven" So every Bethesda game then? Got it.

Listen, I would agree if this was about From Software or something, but Bethesda?

🤣

C'mon now. What timeline are you from?

Skuletor23m ago

Think about it, they're already bug filled messes on their current schedule, can you imagine how much worse it would be if they rushed things?

Duke1928m ago

I mean you aren't wrong. People are going to complain about anything

isarai2h ago

Hows about you focus on quality, just a thought 🤷‍♂️

Sciurus_vulgaris1h ago

Bethesda [or Microsoft] would have to reallocate internal and external studios towards fallout and elder scrolls titles. Bethesda has the issue of developing 2 big IPs that are large RPGs on rotation. If you want more Fallout and Elder Scrolls, development will have to be outsourced.

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