Microsoft Could Be in Trouble, Still No FCC Approval for Xbox One

While Microsoft tries to rebut supply chain and manufacturing issues as results for a delayed Xbox One release, another possible problem has come to light. Where is the FCC Approval for the Xbox One?

Without FCC approval, a manufacturer is not able to market and sell their products in the United States. If the FCC finds any problems with the Xbox One and requests for Microsoft to change or adjust entities within the console itself, there would be a disastrous impact on supply. Needless to say, that if there is a major issue, components may need to be sourced from different manufactures causing further constraints on the supply for the console.

[Stuntz]

There is nothing wrong with the console, this is a RUMOR site.. do you really think they would of allowed people to play on the X1 if most of it was not completed. They had dozens of consoles available at gamescom that people were fully using. They are obviously still working on making the OS the best it can be. It would not surprise me if Microsft has not even submitted the console yet to get approved. Man these sites really need to stop with this stuff.

[jackanderson1985]

just throwing it out there... FCC approval isn't needed for the console to be operated in Europe, so while it could technically fail the FCC approval list they could still launch it in Europe

[HammadTheBeast]

I'm fairly sure they need it to be approved by some board or other for sale in EU regions.

However, they could just manufacture the consoles in poorer countries or China, and then ship them to US/EU once they've been approved, but if the FCC/EU Board finds an error, GG , cause none of the previously manufactured consoles will be able to be sold.

[Thehyph]

@Hammad
They are made in China anyway. You've confused me.

Both Sony and Microsoft have probably been producing their systems before approval. Their respective QA departments need only slap a sticker on the device and it's good to go. FCC approval is really only a registration with the government on how the device communicates. Highly doubt anything would be denied with the amount of R&D in these devices and the standardization of materials and technologies.

That said, Xbox One requires a bit more time than ps4 because Kinect is included in the box, and it has that HDMI in.

I'm not getting an Xbox One, but I wouldn't be worried about whether or not it's passed these regulations or not if I were. They're by no means a rigorous QA.

[Lulz_Boat]

you mean the same X1 at E3??? an nvidia PC?? LOL

the X1 at GC were a PCs with X1 case.

[falviousuk]

And the same xbox one that is going to be at pax prime.

ignore all these people. I never knew so many people on here were MS and SONY shareholders.

Stop worrying about something that hasnt happened yet or complaining about it, and enjoy playing games on your current system and look forward to playing games on the next gen systems when they come.

After all you are supposed to be gamers

[Golden_Mud]

What ? are you just jealous or something ? this is a proof that makes you a fanboy ; http://www.forzacentral.com...

[Lulz_Boat]

ahahhaahahah, look below the first pictures of you OWN LINK, stupid! LOL

YEAH! A PC!! But the look was X1 like.

delusional fan troll.

[OrangePowerz]

FCC is for approving Hardware, they don`t need the OS to be completely finished and fully polished.

[CPTN MITCHELL]

So why are you here if this site is all rumors and false info? And just because they have consoles at gamescom does not equal fcc approval

[k2d]

Yet another xbox 180 waiting to happen.

This is a rushed console launch if I ever saw one.

[Belking]

No FCC approval that we know of. I bet it's already FCC approved. They could keep that private like so many other corps do. All they have to do is pass they don't have to give out that info when.

[iamnsuperman]

I agree but what have they got to hide. Releasing it would distract away from the other, more damaging rumour, that the Xbox One is experiencing manufacturing issues.

[maxkoe]

I thought FCC records were public records?

You can request to see anything you want through the Freedom of Information Act.

[Eddie20101]

They are.

[Bzone24]

Then go and request it through the Freedom of Information Act before you submit an article saying they are in trouble. You know, like journalists are suppose to do. A little investigating goes a long way.

[Kayant]

Yh according to Albert Penello (MS PR rep) they already have ---> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Edit --> iamnsuperman good point and seeing as they have talked about their hardware now we should get the records. It doesn't harm anyone.

[Belking]

yea, like I said they could keep that info private. As long as it passes the FCC it's good. They don't have to release that info.

[iamnsuperman]

I am not calling him a liar but why haven't they released it or why hasn't anyone seen it. One sure fire why to disprove something is to show it.

[BitbyDeath]

Keep reading, it gets juicier.

eg.

I see how all Xbox Supporters here on gaf are saluting/quoting him etc.
But are you really wondering why a lot of people don't believe anything what he/MS says?
Have you listened to all the MS statements in the last couple of months, since the XBone unveil?
Have you heard that "Powah of the Cloud = 40x Xbox360" crap?
Have you seen the "Angry Joe/Major Nelson" incident?
Have you seen the "...Mattrick/buy a Xbox 360" video?
Have you seen that tweet of Aaron Greenberg regarding the XBone delay in europe, minutes prior the Xbone delay announcement?
Have you seen the "deal with it / why would I live there" tweet of the (now ex) MS exployee Adam Orth.
Have you seen the fake Kinect presentation during the XBone/E3 conference, with the clicker/switch inside the pocket/hands of the MS employee, showing us how "fast" Kinect reacts?
Have you seen their "204 GB/s ESRAM bandwith nonsense?
Remember all the DRM stuff a couple of months ago?
Remember the NSA stuff from their main department?
Should I go on with my list?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Izzy408]

@iamnsuperman

who gives a damn if they announce it or not, the point is they already passed the FCC before the PS4. Geezus, you can't talk sense into any PS fanboy because they're so wrapped up in their own little bubble.

[kewlkat007]

This is already juicy yet sonyhardcores don't mind.

-All first party PS3 titles had Online pass DRM
-Failed promise of PS3 to PSP remote play.
-Failed promise of PS3 to Vita remote play.
-Still missing the promised digital PSP games on Vita store.
-Still missing the promised PS1 games on Vita store.
-Released an expensive all digital game machine (the PSP Go) and proceed to have large swaths of the games not released digitally.
-Overpriced digital games that are years old that never see price reductions even when their retail counterparts do.
-PSN & Sony has had several serious security leaks, the biggest of which occurred between 17/04/11-19/04-11. Sony shut down PSN on 20/04/11 under the guise of ‘Maintenance’ however it wasn't until 04/05/11(Over a week after the attack) that they released that 77 million registered PlayStation Network accounts, incl credit cards, passwords and other “identifiable personal information” had been compromised.
-For the above mentioned attack, Sony waited two days before even letting the FBI know that PSN Members data was stolen.
-The service outage caused by this attack totaled 24 days, they originally announced service would be restored “within a week”.
-This attack is considered one of the largest security breaches ever, surpassing their previous 2007 PSN leak, which affected 45 million customers. There had and has been further attacks to Sony’s product websites which have affected all registered sony users and customers, incl PSN members.
-Forcefully removed Linux support from PS3, a feature announced before launch sell/promote the original console.
-Consistently implied that they were adding cross game chat to the PS3 even though they knew the hardware was incapable.
-Leaving it to the very last minute to announce that the PSP Vita would require (extremely expensive) proprietary memory car

what else is new..

[Eddie20101]

FCC records are public information they cannot keep them secret or hidden from the public.

They probably have not finalized the hardware, meaning clock speeds that can affect heat produced by the system and if the system can maintain that extra heat without causing a fire or electrical problems.

[Eddie20101]

@kewlkat007

Half of what you written is false. Need to go back and do some homework.

[HammadTheBeast]

@kewlkat

Nice list, but 40% of it is about PSP/Vita/Go, which is largely irrelevant.

Another 30% is about hacks/intrusions, these I'm just going to give you half credit for, massive companies are hacked on a regular basis, like Amazon, EBay, MS, Facebook countless times, and so on.

It was confirmed long ago that the credit card info wasn't compromised, it was encrypted and unreadable by hackers.

You literally did not make a SINGLE point concerning the Gen ahead of us, which is the one we're talking about.

*Tips hat*

[corvusmd]

@kewlkat you forgot that they like to brag that Gaikai is the fastest most powerful network around, yet it was bought in 2012...is so great it won't release until sometime in 2014 for PS and has yet to be demo'd in ANY capacity...not to mention that on the list of companies with the most actual servers, they aren't even on the top ten, with number 10 having 40,000 and MS having over 1 Mil. Not to mention the fact that XB1's most recent server upgrade costs twice as much as ALL of Gaikai. You'd think Sony would at least address their most obvious weak link if they had something to say...all accounts say it's not even as powerful as CURRENT XBL

[XboxFun]

@KewlKat

Good post KewlKat, unfortunately you won't get a "Well Said" like the others in this post because well, you went against the grain and posted facts against Sony.

Also do we remember "Powah of dah Cell"

Yea, so powerful that it was dropped to make way for an easier more developer friendly console requested from all developers.

How about "Dat Blu-ray"

Which many on here claimed made the games look or play better.

There's ignorance on both sides, but the latest and greatest seems to be this concern about the ??FCC??!

Now all of a sudden everyone wants to see a FCC report from MS. Why? What could you possibly get out of seeing that?

[Eddie20101]

@Kewlkat007
@Xbox Fun
and everyone that agrees with them

Things that are incorrect about your statement.

- Only the first party games with a online multti player have online pass DRM, which is about five or six First party games out of many.

- Don't recall Sony ever saying that there would be PS3 to PSP remote play.

- There is remote play for PS3 to PS Vita but not for all games. It will be mandatory for all games on the PS4.

- Almost all PSP games are available on the PS vita. If you owned one you would know that.

- There are around a hundred or so PS1 games available on PS Vita, same as above if you owned one you would know that. There are also many PS minis available for the PS vita (smaller IOS or Android Type games, casual).

- PSN probably has more sales on digital games than Microsoft does. Both Xbox live and PSN have games that are higher on there services than retail but the publishers make the price on PSN, can't say that is always true on Xbox live.

-As for the security breach, the previous attack(the one that affected 45 million) that you mentioned was on a different company not Sony, the company was TJX (TJMAx and Marshals), I read the wikki for it to. besides the government and many other businesses have had security attacks also, the pentagon being one of them. It was also comfurmed that no credit information was gotten due to it being encrypted on Sony's end. Sony also gave everyone on PSN free identity theft service and free retail games for the outage of a service that they were not charging for to begin with.

Like I said in the previous post half of your information is wrong and the half that is correct doesn't give Microsoft a pass on the many things they have done wrong during the Xbox 360 and into the Xbox One generations.

Xbox fanboys need to try to at least come closer to the facts before giving bad information. there is a lot of you considering how many agreed with @Kewlkat007.

[Pascalini]

Ha more rumours for hits

[jackanderson1985]

why is it an issue if the console isn't set for release for at least another 66 days minimum? one of the iPads got approval like a week before it launched so not sure why it's an issue for the xbox one?

[n4rc]

Its not..

People don't understand the process but want to win an argument..

[maxkoe]

If there does end up being a problem and they way till the last minute to get approval, it could be disastrous to the launch of the console.

Not saying that it will happen, but think about it... if the FCC says its a no-go for the US until they fix something they have to go fix it before they sell it here. If they wait that long there will practically be no reaction time.

[BattleTorn]

Yes, IF they don't get approved it will be a disaster.

No one is arguing that the Xbox One will do fine without the FFC.

It's just ridiculous to even bother thinking about 'what if' they don't.

[TheKingWilliamV]

Silly rabbits console wars are for kids...This is nothing but media SPIN intended to get you little rabbits in a frenzy stop eating the bait.

[Majin-vegeta]

Lol. http://youtu.be/dHGbB3xJn00

[TheKingWilliamV]

LMFAO!!!!! hahahaha

[AKR]

Guess the FCC isn't keen to green-light a spy-box... /s

But even so;
I would love to know exactly why they're holding back from approving it?

Either way - this isn't good news. If they hold this thing back, then catching up with the PS4 (and even potentially the Wii U) is going to be a challenge for Microsoft. They were the first to release last-gen and they got steamrolled...Now they may get steamrolled out of the gate...

[CGI-Quality]

Catching up to the PS4 is ALREADY a challenge. This just adds to the fire, if it is true.

[kewlkat007]

Lol...somebody is bored

[Supermax]

Well guess I will wait to play my x1 thank goodness I will have the ps4 on nov 15 thought it was going to be the other way around no biggie.

[XboxFun]

OH NO! this means I'll never get my Xbox One for the holiday season!!

No wait...that's not true.

[No_Limit]

I don't see the issue. it is how Microsoft roll with console launches. The X360 system and controller also didn't get FCC approval until the middle of September in 2005. The system was launch in November.
http://www.rllmukforum.com/...

Some companies like to keep their spec and secrets longer; thus, the late FCC request for approval. Non issue, I say.

[Oner]

Yeah I mean where's the "issue"?

It's not like the 360 launched with any probl.... er.... um.... that the FCC should be aware of right at the last second before being sold to the public.

Yeah, No, Sorry M$. Some other people are stupid enough to fall for that multiple times...I am not one of them.

Edit: For those who would like to know more about that kind of business model read up on planned obsolescence

[OrangePowerz]

In theory if they don`t have any FCC approval yet, and with a November launch the consoles should be already in production, any problem found by the FCC that would mean a non approval would be a big issue as all currently manufactured consoles would be useless.

It`s possible that they already got the approval, but asked the FCC to not post it on their website.

[Eddie20101]

And why would they do that, doesn't make much sense. FCC approval is good.

[theWB27]

Already been posted elsewhere.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

And this from others..motorola X passed a month from release
http://www.phonearena.com/n...

Ipad 3 passed FCC right after it was announced.
http://www.engadget.com/201...

People who don't know how things work should consider not spreading falseness everywhere. The FCC doesn't take any time at all to pass a product. As we see there, production can still take place regardless if you have it or not.

It would take some crappy design to NOT pass FCC regs by now.

[Izzy408]

Even with all of that evidence you provided, PS fanboys will still disagree because we all know they can't bare the thought of the X1 being successful.

[No_Limit]

LOL, the disagrees with facts in their face reminds me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[dark_101]

Some people make an argument about the stupidest thing just because they hate a certain console.
Thats why Im not surprised
I still remember when they argued about the power brick

[theWB27]

It's funny. They act like it takes the FCC years to approve a product. There has been no evidence the X1 has been having problems, Microsoft has proven it's ok since no dev has come out and said dev kits have been a problem, X1's have been at all of the major conventions with HANDS ON TIME, Major Nelson unboxed on of the first 20 off the pipeline earlier this month, Phil Harrison has one at home, employees are receiving free X1's...WTF else has to happen for people to shut up about production.

About the delays, Xbox doesn't sell everywhere, it is releasing in the places it does sale. They made it a priority to get the X1 ready for those regions...it has to go through than PS4 especially with localizing voice recognition.

Let'em think it's some type of conspiracy going on. I'll be enjoying it so much more when I get mine.

[OrangePowerz]

@theWB27

Devs wouldn`t be allowed to say anything about the dev kits. MS will have given all of them a nice non disclosure agreement to sign. No dev can afford to break that and get into problems with MS who can if they want to refuse games on their system or demand the dev kits back from the devs.

[skydragoonity]

Another red ring awaits..

[thexmanone]

I don`t think the PS4 Has red rings, maybe yellow.

[kenmid]

The Samsung galaxy note 3, Iphone 5s hasn't hit the FCC either and there coming out next month. This guy is trying to get hits on his website to create controversy

[gamertk421]

Wow, people on this site are gullible

[jackanderson1985]

MS could have gotten approval ages ago (Penello I believe earlier today said they got it at the start of summer) but don't want to have the information made public as all the official details of what's in the box would be made public with it... didn't a bunch of new info come out from a tech conference in the last two days? clearly MS isn't ready for it all to come out.

is it helping their cause? no not likely? will it be an issue for the majority of purchasers? no unless it actually hasn't passed and it fails in the end and MS need to rejig the whole thing

[No_Limit]

Finally, somebody that knows how companies and FCC approval works. Remember those iPods and iPads that were made available a week after Steve Job's legendary speeches at all those Apple conferences? Guess why no one knew about them until the conference? Because Apple didn't apply for FCC approval until after the conference to hide leaks.

[JBSleek]

Relax it is not that serious.

The PS3 didn't get FCC approval until September 15 for a November 17th launch.

I've seen blockbuster products release FCC approval the week of release.

[josephayal]

it doesn't have FCC approval. I think it's going to be delayed until 2014

[CGI-Quality]

Nah, doesn't work that way.

[Convas]

Suddenly, passing the FCC is important to folk WHO HAVE NO IDEA HOW THESE FEDERAL REGULATION PROCESSES WORK.

[BattleTorn]

Lmao. Amen.

[thehitman]

I guess the bigger question is... Why havent MS released a release date? Even if it passed/passes FCC MS seem to be shacking w/ their hand on the trigger atm. Sony released their date so the only other logical answer to that is that they picked a date either on or after Sony that would spell doom for them. I bet they are trying to do everything in their power to ramp production for a pre-ps4 release even if they beat them by a couple of days only.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Thats because the devkits and console hasn't been finalised but will be next month.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

It will happen and I'm sure MS has been aware of FCC compliance during the whole design phase.

[kewlkat007]

Iv'e seen phones get FCC approval the week before release...I bet you they started production the week after../S

[NeutralXP]

More idiocy and the gullible fools that believe this wow article is huge fail written by ps fanboy yet again

[yellowgerbil]

If they passed the RRODing launch 360 I think they would pass the X1 even if it was exploding on start up.

[coolasj]

Can they start producing the boxes before approval? That's what the worry should be.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Uh huh. Sure.

[fossilfern]

I have an X1 pre order but if it's delayed I might cancel

[gamertk421]

SDF article is SDF

[Pancit_Canton]

The FCC are probably confuse. They don't know which category it belongs too. Is it a cable box?, A surveillance camera? A toaster?, or just plain $500 paper weight?

[strigoi814]

Preorder to be cancelled if no clarification

[classic19]

no fcc approval? yo red ring of death watch, 75 percent of x1 will fail watch 360 all over again.

[-Ghost]

That would be jokes

[Nik_P757]

I'm not saying there is a problem but you can't mass produce an item sold in the US until you get FCC approval. So there may be a problem with the production totals if it's not done soon. Then again there may be no issues at all and this could be the victim of another internet blow-up. Always best to wait for official word and not assume. Though I can assume since Sony received FCC approval a while back they might be on track to have more available systems in the US market.

[tracyllrkn]

Sony had the FCC approval with the PS3 in September.

[4logpc]

Apple always starts making their products in massive numbers way before they are announced, and passed through by the fcc

Whoever thinks that FCC somehow dictates when a product can be made is just naive.

[Crazay]

What a BS article. Telling for hits and grasping at straws looking for negativity. How did this even get approved?

[---stone---]

Maybe once the high pressure system moves or dissipates. Maybe then clouds will form so all the Xbox Ones will be powered and ready for launch.

[ironwolf]

I work for HP's printer division. Guess what? We don't announce when a new printer is FCC approved. Guess what else? They have been coming off the assembly lines long before we even submit them for approval. Know why? Because you need approval to sell them in the US, not to manufacture them. Why do we risk it? because it isn't a risk. We have the FCC requirements, we design to them from the start. Our own development labs verify they meet standards as they are developed and our deployment labs verify the completed prototypes meet specs. Then our product completion labs test the first batch off the assembly lines then continue to randomly test there after. We submit for FCC approval at the last minute. In all the years I've been with the company, we've never had a device fail to pass. Why do we do it that way? Because we can release new products without the competition knowing what we're up to.

Microsoft operates in precisely the same way.

Give it up children.

[Crazay]

Well said sir.

[vigilante_man]

Who can argue with that?

Just have a nagging doubt. MS announcement at PAX this week will clear it all up..

We have seen how MS are pumping info out all the time - remember when they went really quiet after the PS4 reveal in Feb because they were caught off guard. It took them nearly 3 months to sort themselves out. Why so quiet now on release date?

Just come out and say to all the loyal fans who have pre-ordered, "Yes, we will release in November 2013". Or if not then let people know.

[SpideySpeakz]

Xbone preorder cancelled.

[Crazay]

Good. One less trolling infant to worry about

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am sorry... people are freakin out and harping over something that will/is/was a non-issue.

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

they are leaving it to the last minute... once it is in the FCC people will see things like Clock speeds of the CPU which will be a lot lower than expected of the 1.6Ghz...

the clock speeds of the CPU will be between 1.2GHz and 1.4GHz....

This is why they have had yielding issues... they were not producing enough chips after loading them during testing and has reduced the clock speed of the CPU...

i think that is why we have seen a boost in the GPUs clock speed... to help counter that drop... or at least to help close a gap...

[vigilante_man]

It does not tell you what specific speeds it will run day to day, just the max speed. PS4 is said to run at 2.7GHz max but we all know it will run 1.6MHz for gaming. It is just the max figure not the operating one.

Expect XB1 to say the same max speed of 2.7MHz even if they do perform at 1.5MHz or less.

Too much speculation...

[Mithan]

Bullshit article. The FCC usually approves stuff shortly before release in many cases.

Stop fishing for hits.

[glennco]

FCC approval is just paperwork

[christocolus]

Now this is an issue too?Why? Do console manufacturers now have to announce when they get fcc approval?even phone makers should do same too.....smh. How does this affect gaming?all these articles and fb wars and comments are becoming ridiculous imo?..

[majedx9]

Day one RROD 2.0 😖

[vigilante_man]

Is it a problem if they do not release their FCC paperwork until the last minute? No!

But they have no excuse for leaving it late. Their competitor has already released theirs and cannot change without re-applying.

So just what is Microsoft hiding?

We can all agree that Sony have been the most up front this year.

[Rhythmattic]

Flamebait article..

I wish the community would just grow up...

Speculation, Assumptions need to disappear.....

[Reem]

"Microsoft's Major Nelson Confirmed Xbox One Hasn't Been Hit by Production Issues"

Cool story bro

[Reem]

I mean cool story Major Nelson

[jay2]

Their just might be a god smiling down on sony.

[Reem]

I mean cool story

[Groo]

NSA, Microsoft.. I'd be worried about who is trying to watch you. If something like this with the FCC somehow gets thrown under the rug.... I'd be worried

[badkolo]

groo your being watched right now, cut the nsa crap thing out please, they are watching you now, yopur on a pc of some sort, they have been and will be watching all of us regardless of what you use. and if you have a cell phone then kiss it all goodbye

[Groo]

I don't own a PC and never will, this is the only "social" site I comment on. Forgive me if I don't trust a camera that constantly transmits data from the privacy of my living room. I'd rather my posts and text be monitored then have a active camera in my home. Your obviously ok with the posibility so more power to you. Unplug man

[badkolo]

then your on the paranoid side. as if your that important for them to watch in thr first place

[Groo]

your the one that said we are being watched right now lol. None of it matters anyway. all we are is dust in the wind dude. aknowleging the possibility is not paronoid, its called caution, skeptical not blind. to each his/her own.

[Thomaticus]

I predicted a December release for Xbox one and I'm sticking to it. There's no need to rush. If they are a month or two months behind Sony, it won't matter in the grand scheme.

[Adolph Fitler]

They'll just pay the fcc off, like they obviously did to get the POS 360 passed....A system that suffered a 100% failure rate for the 1st 3yrs of production.
I'm not touching MS's next console....PSwiiU4 all the way fr me....Just like the loser Wii360 gang this gen....

[ironwolf]

100%? How come my launch day console, and the referb I bought about 6 months later are still going strong?

If you haven't got a clue, its best not to advertise the fact.

[ironwolf]

And I predict mid October to match Forza's traditional release time.

Just as logical and likely.

[TemplarDante]

Panello is a fucking liar. He may sweet talk a few suckers on gaf, but he lied yesterday saying the reason for a limited release IS the language thing. YET, there are documents saying thats BS! Thats its yield issues. So, morale of the story, dont trust the PR suit that wants to sell you something. Its like asking a person that works at a store "how does this look on me?" OFCOURSE their going to sweet talk ya, they want your dollars.

[DJ]

How are they going to make launch if the console's not FCC approved already? It's nearly September.

[tcozzens]

Does anyone for sure know if a company needs to provide FCC approval? I, obviously, am not too educated on the subject of FCC approval...

[ironwolf]

No, they do not. See my comment above.

[tcozzens]

Ahhhh thanks man, I didn't see that there was a second page of comments when I posted this question!