Battlefield 4 on PS4 & Xbox One – 'We need to compromise in some places,' says DICE

The PC version of Battlefield 4 will look better than the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One versions, executive producer Patrick Bach has suggested, telling VideoGamer.com that it is "doing as much as [it] can" with the next-gen versions, "but we need to compromise in some places".

[Gazondaily]

Compared to PC, that is to be expected.

But still, 60FPS and 64 players on consoles will be brilliant.

[Christopher]

If it's 60fps and 64 players on console, it won't be anywhere near 1080p. Maybe 720p. Maybe.

Even with the closed-system design, there's not enough there on either system to push it to 1080p.

[GarrusVakarian]

It will be 720p. There is no maybe there.

[MasterCornholio]

They did confirm with the PS4 version that it would be in between 720P and 1080P and they would just upscale it to 1080P. Im pretty sure that it will be a lot better than the sub HD versions of previous consoles.

[ooquis]

So since when you working at DICE that you know this?? you ever thought maybe,just maybe the ps4 version is made to be on par with the xboxone??for all you know the ps4 can do 1080p with no effort.

[Kleptic]

^yeah the IGN preview dude stated it was not 720p, but wasn't 1080p either...but noticeably down on settings, still...

not worried about it...for Bf3, the game looked like hot trash on both consoles until the day it released...even the beta was pretty awful looking...and the final product was perfectly acceptable...

I'm going with the PC version this time around...but mostly because all my bf3 friends/clan mates are doing the same...I think both consoles will get a great version of it though, with much less compromise than with BF3 (between consoles/PC i mean)...

[Christopher]

To further explain my thoughts:

I think the single player and "certain" multiplayer modes may be 720p. I think any multiplayer mode involving 32+ people, though, may not even be full 720p.

[Maninja]

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[Christopher]

@Maninja: Eh, I'm not sure they're going to get that in both single player and multiplayer. I'm happy to be wrong.

And, don't people come and say "Well, you're wrong". None of us know for certain. But, 60fps with 720p and 32 players at once? That's pushing the heck out of the PS4 hardware, let alone Xbox One.

[user7402931]

look at kzsf, deep down ect, it could easily do 1080p.

[Christopher]

***look at kzsf, deep down ect, it could easily do 1080p.***

1. Deep Down is complete demo mode with no concept of gameplay.

2. KZSF is 30fps limited and estimated at 1080p. But, also an exclusive title, not a multiplatform one.

3. None of those are "easy" considering that BF4 is multiplatform, 60fps aiming, will have more players on the screen at once, more forms of movement/vehicles, and will have destructible environments.

[n4rc]

All this frame rate and res talk is amusing...

I remember running counterstrike at 60fps at like 1600x1200 more then 10 years ago... Ans that was with a geforce2 and like a gig of ram..

But back on topic... Look what they acomplished with this gen.. Hardware is peanuts to what we get next gen... Its not out of the question what they are claiming imo

[Bobby Kotex]

No one is denying that Captain Obvious.

[-Alpha]

Killzone Shadow Fall is 1080p and 60 FPS (for multiplayer).

[N4g_null]

The smoke and mirrors are starting early this gen. If 8 cores and 8 gigs of ram can get it done what is the fing point!

[KiLLeRCLaM]

BATTLEFIELD 4 WILL BE 720P on consoles..It's been confirmed already!

[Deadpoolio]

Oh Jesus there is more than enough "there" as a few morons keep saying for the PS4 and One80 to do 1080p...Until they stop developing for PS3/360 games wont be 1080p.....

BTW the PS3 CAN NATIVELY do 1080p NOW...WITH GAMES....The 360 can't do anything about 720p without upscaling

[Blachek]

I wonder if an HD Install like was required on 360 would be a viable option to improve the presentation of the game

[awi5951]

@ooquis

No battlefield 3 multiplayer hurts your cpu all the Particles and physics that goes on in multiplayer is crazy. I have a x6 core cpu and i have to overclock it to 3.7gigs in multiplayer to make my game play smooth at 1080P at 80+fps. So these consoles with weak CPU's thats whats holding the game back.

[UltimateMaster]

There we go again, another debate over 720 or 1080... bla blah.
is it even really relevant to even argue on a game that isn't even released yet?

[Christopher]

***Killzone Shadow Fall is 1080p and 60 FPS (for multiplayer).***

Can you provide a link that says, explicitly, that it is natively 1080p w/60fps? All I've found are "analysis" posts not official ones.

Edit: Nevermind, found it in a video just released today.

[thehitman]

A lot of people wont be able to 1080p @ 60fps on PC either... not on max settings.

[GDDR6_2014]

I wonder what PC specs you will need to run it better than ps4. I would think my 3 Tflops 7950 is more than enough, that costs just $250 today, you can certainly build a pc with that for $700-800.

[RyuCloudStrife]

@cgoodno

You are just wrong! The dev ALREADY said it'll be above 720p!

[Christopher]

@RyuCloudStrife: And I always, 100% trust what a dev says when people who played it said it didn't look 720p!!!!

[starchild]

People saying "oh these consoles have plenty enough power to do 1080p/60fps" don't really seem to understand how things work.

Sure, the PS4 and XB1 would have the power to run current gen games at 1080p/60fps guaranteed, but if you are talking about games that are pushing graphics in other areas then it isn't guaranteed or necessarily even possible at all.

Even past generation consoles could have all ran all games at 1080p/60fps, but the games we enjoyed those generations would have been stripped down and wouldn't have been nearly as great in other areas. With fixed hardware something always has to give--there has to be compromises somewhere.

So is that what some of you want? The potential of all our games to be held back (in terms of AI, physics, graphical detail and realism) all so that games can conform to some standard that you think is important?

If you guys really want a guaranteed 1080p/60fps you should be gaming on PC. Consoles really aren't the place to enforce such a standard.

Going from 720p to 1080p uses around 40% more of a GPU's performance, while going from 30fps to 60fps uses 100% more of a GPU.

I don't want games to have to run on a 140% weaker GPU essentially. All that performance can be better put to use creating richer worlds, with more physics based elements, and more complex AI.

If people were smart, they wouldn't be asking developers to shoot for a standard that will be difficult to achieve and will result in games with juddery framerates (as they struggle to keep above 60fps), instead they should be asking developers to shoot for a rock solid 30fps that doesn't suffer from stuttering and screen tear.

A stable frame rate is much more important than a higher average framerate.

In order to achieve a stable 30fps it actually means that 30fps will be the MINIMUM frame rate and the actual frame rate will be going between like 30 to 50fps. Likewise, in order to achieve a solid 60fps, the hardware actually has to be rendering something like 60 to 80fps. That's a tall order.

[mewhy32]

Well if they program for the lowest common denominator bone then we in for a very disappointing BF4. If they develop the PS4 version separately and don't get held back by the inferior bone tech then we could be in for something special on the PS4.

[turgore]

It runs above 720p...still not native 1080p tho.

[Shaaunyb]

@ooquis

No battlefield 3 multiplayer hurts your cpu all the Particles and physics that goes on in multiplayer is crazy. I have a x6 core cpu and i have to overclock it to 3.7gigs in multiplayer to make my game play smooth at 1080P at 80+fps. So these consoles with weak CPU's thats whats holding the game back.
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Seriously doubt that, considering i'm running an i3 at 3.4GHz and it runs smoothly.

[Godz Kastro]

@ooquis

Dude, you really think the ps4 is more than what it is. You will have a slice of humble pie if you don't come back down to earth.

[csreynolds]

"Maybe 720p"

People who've played the PS4 build at Gamescom have claimed it currently runs somewhere between 720. Moreover, neither Sony nor Microsoft are going to make a next-gen console that underperforms visually when compared to current gen.

[bigtakilla]

Honestly it's a multiplat, so the sad truth is whichever system winds up being the weaker one, it's more than likely going to be optimized for that system and ported over to the other.

[tehnoob3]

Yes, it is confirmed to be 720P, but I do not think that this is representative of the consoles' potential. If you recall to the start of this generation, the pinnacle of console graphics was Resistance.

[AO1JMM]

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[awi5951]

@Shaaunyb

Are you running on ultra with full AA ?????????? I AM.

My Cpu is actually a bottleneck untill i overclock but i dont need to upgrade right now im waiting for the next gen of CPU's to come out.

[awi5951]

When they announced these slow CPU speeds i knew this would happen. AMD loves to make lots of cores on cpus but they are weak cores and they are slow. So when your cpu is getting beat by a dual core and you have 8 cores something is wrong.

[4Sh0w]

I get it, we want amazing games but sometimes I think we play specs more than games.

[Gamer1982]

They said all next gen will be 1080p however they will reduce FPS to 30 in most to get this. So I would expect 30FPS long before 720p.. I think the next wave of consoles means goodbye to 720p. Dunno why people think we will be getting 720p. It may hit 60fps in places unless its locked to 30fps this game or they may do the same tricks as last gen and cover up holes with AA etc..

[saber00005]

Indeed Septic. In order to play that game with full maxed settings, you would need a high powered gaming machine. Which would cost about $1,500 to $3,000

[ProjectVulcan]

Really?

http://www.tomshardware.com...

Why not have a quick glance at an $800 dollar PC which is also now 6 months old (same stuff is cheaper now you can get a 7870 for less than $190 when they paid $240) managing Battlefield 3 on ultra @ 1080p with an average well over 60FPS at stock and over 70FPS OCed....

Even if you spend another $150 on a new OS and bits and pieces what you gonna do with the $1500-$3000 dollars you claimed you would need to do that? Buy two of them?

[Jazz4108]

Didnt i hear some fans on here say the ps4 and xboxone would do 4k gaming. Lol

[saber00005]

@vulcanproject, First off... Those are just charts. Prove to me with a FULL BUILD on HOW much the PC is going to cost? Not to mention, this is BF4, not 3, and not 2. Running full graphic always on 60fps is NOT going to happen. You would be stupid to think so.

I would know this being an IT guy and being that I'm a PC gamer. You can't get

[ProjectVulcan]

The 'charts' speak for themselves. The cost breakdown is at the start of the article, down to every dollar for the hardware, except you could build that machine easily today for LESS than when the article was written in February.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

$240 for the card? Well heres an even faster one today for $190 shipped: http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Overclocked that machine will average well in excess of 70FPS on Battlefeld 3 ultra. If you think Battlefield 4 will be so hugely more demanding it couldn't do 50-60FPS I suspect you will get a nasty surprise, at best it'll be an incremental improvement over the Battlefield 3 engine added to the fact its being built for 60FPS on console.

But if you insist, you could even buy a faster GPU for the $240 in the original build. Say....a 7950 boost or GTX670 if you look in the right place.

Or even worse case, turn down the settings a tiny bit. Do YOU think that the console versions will be as good as max settings of PC? I have my doubts they will be even at 720p.

You obviously aren't much of an I.T guy if you think you will need a $1500 PC to run Battlefield 4 lots better than the new consoles. I mean you seen what a sub $800 PC can do if you spent $1500 you would get a monster that could do 60FPS @ 2560 x 1600 LOL!

7970ghz crossfire perhaps? Frankly by the time the game is actually out in a couple months prices of better hardware will only be cheaper......

http://www.techspot.com/rev... heres a taster of 7970ghz crossfire which you could build for $1500 no problems. 93.6 FPS @ 2560 x 1600!!!! Fast enough for ya?

[Ju]

We'll see about that. Because I believe this game will have some specs requirements to run 1080@60fps on a PC as well. A $800 PC won't cut it - else the PS4 could keep up.

I think this project is too ambitious. We'll find out when it'll release. Ambitious in the sense it totally ignores boundaries. Who ever designed this game totally ignored the specs we have today. And it will sure show. Designers these days are a bit off from reality it seems. To keep up with the scope and framerate Dice has to tone down the game so much that it looks worse than last years PS3 version. This can't be the right direction to go.

[awi5951]

NO i doubt it. I bet my pc now will play it on high at 60 fps because i crossfire. Dual 7950's at 200 dollars each will run it fine on ultra I bet after the drivers are fixed.

[Gamer1982]

Erm over 10 years an xbox one/PS4 would cost you over $1200. Console $399 plus 1 replacement over 10 years (everybody gets one I had 2 this generation alone!) = $349. So far thats $749. Add on 10 years of PS plus at $500 thats $1250. Thats for PS4 Xbox One is more expensive.

I have a pre-order for watch dogs in UK for my PC for £23.99 the cheapest PS4 pre-order is £49.99. A Differnce for £26. 10 games at that differnce (1 game a year!) is £260 which is another $402 (at current exchange rates).

So whoever says PC is more expensive obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. They just see the initial outlay. Oh and if a piece of PC hardware breaks you just replace that (and it drops in price FAST) so cheap as hell to fix! Not to mention a PC can do a lot more than a console and games are gonna look a LOT better on a $1200 PC compared to Xbox one and PS4 this entire generation.

[Consoldtobots]

i dunnoo but this frostbite engine sounds terribly inefficient

[saber00005]

@vulcanproject,

First off, a majority of items inside the PC, are CRAP. For 1, your power supply is going to overheat b/c it's running at 100%. Really? A 550 watt to power both your graphic and your processor? It's like a car engine. What do you think happens when you rev up your engine till it's at the red line for a long period of time? It overheats and dies. And you want to over-clock it?

Second of all, the case is NOT designed to get rid of that heat it produces, ESPECIALLY when overclocking.

Third, your missing the operating system. Seems like your going over budget don't you think?

Forth, PC won't average 60fps on full in multiplayer. Note, in your article test results they were playing JUST campaign. There's a HUGE performance difference in offline mode, and online. Don't believe me? Try single player, than multiplayer. More things to render, more players, more explosions, more visual, etc. I'm sure 90% of gamers buy Battlefield games to play the multiplayer. Being that's what Battlefield franchise is known for.

Dislike all you want, but if you honestly think you can maintain over 60FPS, all the time, on Ultra, 1080p, then you know nothing. The charts listed aren't detailed and looks to ONLY show the HIGHEST FPS, and not the lowest.

Oh by the way, you also forgot tax, shipping, AND an operating system. Crunch the numbers, it's well over $800 kid.

[awi5951]

@saber00005

You must be a console fan any PC game can run at 60 fps at 1080P. BF4 when the drivers are mature will run on anything from a 7850 and up fine on high and it will look better than the console version.

Because PC guys will just turn off the AA which BF3 never had a problem with jaggies, or turn down the shadows to medium which i dont care about in multiplayer, Leave the textures and draw distance at max, You may turn down the ground clutter who cares about paper and grass moving around. And when it cones to particles, smoke effects, texture quality leave them at high or ultra and it will look far better than consoles and it would be at 60 fps.

[ProjectVulcan]

Sorry saber, but I laughed all the way through your rubbish post talking about PC, when at this point in the discussion its pretty clear you know nothing about it as a gaming system.

Why would a 550 watt PSU be maxed out on a single GPU and intel setup? That whole system at max load will NEVER pull down more than 450 watts even overclocked. http://www.legitreviews.com... 289 watts at burn in (253 gaming) so you would have to nearly DOUBLE that to make the system unstable.... So please, actually try and not talk crap here. Even a 7970 pulls down less than 400w in that system.

Heat is simply not a problem. You're talking rubbish. That build is specced with a third party CPU cooler (not crappy stock) and the card I pointed out had a quality non reference cooler. Are you just a bit....thick?

Third- I pointed out the card was cheaper and I mentioned $150 for an OS. You can actually get one for $99. Shame you can't read and missed that bit in my post hey?

Fourth (not forth) it WILL average 60FPS in multiplayer. It'll average more. The multiplayer of most games accounts for a variance in performance and typically tones down assets slightly. Battlefield is no different. The best bit is you can lower settings only slightly to achieve more performance if you desire.

The big deal here is we now know PS4 can only do medium settings! I'll bet that this PC could do better than medium AND 1080p AND 60FPS.

If you can't accept that machine averaged over 70FPS and has a very good minimum then thats just your problem.

I think you'll find that so called existing 60FPS shooters on console such as COD actually don't run 60FPS a bunch of the time, despite aiming for it. Pretty much any COD game you care to pick whether it be PS3 or 360 will run somewhere between 50 and 60 FPS, certainly not locked out to 60FPS as a 'minimum.' Minimum framerates on COD for the consoles is typically 40FPS. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... 360 has the best performance but even it can't help dropping off from 60FPS quite a bit. Any other console you play it on and it crashes even lower...

You could really do with learning a little before you enter this discussion, clueless!

[jjb1981]

I couldn't have said that better. Bubble+

[3-4-5]

Yea for BF3, coming from COD, having 24 player battles was awesome, but I know see how most of the maps were designed for 64 players, some are too big for 24 players.

Can't wait for this game.

[Funantic1]

I told a PC gamer at my job about the PS4 and X1. I told him about the specs on both and he busted out laughing. He said they were both weak. He was dying laughing in tears and his face was so red. I was embarrassed. :-(

[TKCMuzzer]

The fact that he laughed about it so much says more about his lack of life fulfilment than any thing else.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

man console that much behind??

Gddr6 coming next year on pc lol.

Should get worse.

[Sarick]

That and RRAM aka ReRAM should be in the market by 2015. This might not make games look better but it'll help with storage and instant on. Even speeding up the system by having a solid state type cache for large games.

Faster loading etc.
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The thing people forget is gaming consoles are designed in such a way that developer will use there potential until the product is discontinued.

Another thing I've notice is people talking res and FPS. I any developer could create a flat one tone image at 1080p 60FPS. It's the environment, textures, animation, game play, and physics that make a game good. There are more factors then just refresh rate and how many pixels are on the screen.

A lot of things could happen in a few years that make PC evolve more. Most of us know the console we buy will get its fair share of the market interest from the developers even if it's not the latest tech.

[DeadlyFire]

I think its more to do with them not getting enough time with the hardware. They have a launch window they need to make. In the next couple of years as they adjust to the hardware expect the next Battlefield on consoles to look alot better than this one. It shouldn't disappoint by any means though unless your a PC diehard. Then just buy the PC version.

[SatanSki]

Its expected but as well trully sad. New consoles arent even out, yet they cant handle current pc graphics. Wasnt that bad last gen.

[Cernunnos]

It was just the same, but the media did not have the same focus on specs, and the consoles back then didn't have hardware that was easy to compare to PC's, due to the different arcitechtures.

[SatanSki]

I am not concerned with the specs, im concerned they cant handle new BF on highest pc details

[thezeldadoth]

its not 64 players on the console version

[PFFT]

Last i heard it was.

[CrimsonSquall]

Next Gen ala PS4/XB1 yes for 64. Current ala PS3/360 no.

[trancefreak]

So what happens in 3-4 years when the consoles plateau? Do we settle for less detailed environments in the sake of 1080p? Or 720P upscaled going to be the norm. I much rahter prefer less effects for a crisper rez of 1080p TBH.

I guess time will tell, and we all know both consoles being in a closed environment will do a lot more when coding is refined, and optimal multi tasked code threading software techniques being applied.

What I really want to know since every time we see these graphical masterpieces being displayed; they are on the latest high end systems in sli. I want to know how well a GTX 680 will run this game. It is possible that Frostbite will be better optimized in the future for consoles(Meaning BF4 1080p would be achievable on these consoles today) just the lack of time and launch window prohibits this capability IMO.

It also is a fact that these PC first games are always showcasing the latest PC GPU in SLI UberWare to get people to purchase the latest GPU cards. From my experience of PC gaming there are always so many games having issues in SLI that sometimes its better to have a more powerful GPU solution. Not always but sometimes.

In closing, I believe these consoles will see incredible graphical leaps in time. Just at this point with such a close launch window games need to get pushed out on time. The Next Gen consoles are fresh technology for developers to grasp and harness all of their capabilities and potential. It will come just like every other console generation we see the the boundless leeps until the console are pegged out which would start another Gen.

[fullmetal297]

@Maninja
The Tweet you posted isn't from a Battlefield developer and in fact is just a regular person who makes youtube videos, so it's not creditable in any way.

[Syntax-Error]

if I dont see any graphical difference between 360 and X1...IT'S GHOSTS FOR ME. Screw that shit. No one is going to sell me a port and call it NEXT GEN

[gamernova]

Wait one gosh darn minute!!! So now Ps4 isn't as powerful as a pc? I am in shock! Or is the new excuse that the console is new and still needs to be learned? Lol Or is the excuse that it is not worth paying thousands for the extra bit of resolution? (total lie, btw) :P

[joab777]

I don't care honestly...but its bullshit. I guarantee u that with the same tech in2-3 yrs...games will look much better. Anyway..did anyone ask console gamers how important 64 player maps are?

[otherZinc]

@ooquis,

Since you think the PS4 can easily do 1080p 60fps native, why is Killzone, Knack, and Drive Club not in 1080p native running at 60fps?

Meanwhile, Forza 5 IS 1080p native at 60fps. Answer me that?

[GarrusVakarian]

Whatever platform you buy the game on, you are still going to have fun with your friends on it.

If anyone expected the console and PC versions to look identical needs to get their heads out of the clouds.

[Majin-vegeta]

I agree and i think this fits nicely along with your comment.

http://youtu.be/dWiXCPSN350...

[JunioRS101]

People need to relax. At the very least, it will look better than previous consoles, have twice the frame rate, more than twice the maximum active players, has more guns/customization... I think we'll be fine.

[ZodTheRipper]

More paid DLC, more microtransactions, more private servers ...

[falviousuk]

dont buy it then

[Soldierone]

I hope they make "quick match" DICE only servers. If private servers are as annoying as BF3 then I don't care how the game plays, that totally ruins it.

[Activemessiah]

60fps or GTFO.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Yeah! Anything less is pointless

[SonyPS360]

Guess you don't like films then.

[MasterCornholio]

As long as the gameplay is solid and the framerate is good not to mention its at least 720P im fine with it.

The cheapest next gen console is 400€ so you cant expect it to outperform a 2000€ gaming PC.

[GarrusVakarian]

Sense. This post has it.

[CoLD FiRE]

But one would expect it to be on par with a 4 year old PC at least!

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

So call us when you have pics of BF4 running on 4 years old PC, because as of now all they showed was the game running on top gaming PC rig and PS4, not old PCs.

[CoLD FiRE]

I will show you how it runs on a 5850 once the game is released.

[tordavis]

My PC is 5 years old and BF3 destroys the console versions and so will BF4.

[MidnytRain]

bishop-br

You people need to stop posting this. The rig tha had for the shows were clearly overkill.

[neoandrew]

The place where i live, you can buy a pc that outperform next gen console for max 700€.

[fullmetal297]

Any PC with a mid range video card like the 660ti can render BF3 at 60 frames and 720p minimum and they cost $200 average. A rig built around a mid-range video card can be built for 500 dollars. To top it off, you have free online so it won't cost you yearly.

[gamernova]

It can't outperform a 1000$ one either. or even a 800$ one. But...on a pc you can play all your old and new games. So yeah, check mate :P

[tee_bag242]

You're right. I'm a bit disappointed but I'd much prefer 60fps @ 720p than 30fps 1080p. At least Dice are doing that right.

[gaelic_laoch]

I want to know was there any compromises made for the Xbone version against the PS4?

[darx]

Whats it matter both are the inferior version.

[aLucidMind]

It matters to those that dont want a PC and prefer consoles. Just because you prefer pc doesnt mean console vrrsions dont or shouldnt matter.

[Master-H]

It matters because dude might be buying both the bone and the fore and wants to buy the better version of BF4 maybe ?
Also he might be interested in bragging rights so he can go to the fanboyz-war with em lol

[tee_bag242]

@ Master-H

Well if buying the better version matters so much he'll do himself a favor and get it on PC and work out how to use console pad and connect a HDMI into a TV.

I know. Its very hard isnt it?

[KazHiraiFTW]

lol does it really matter? If you actually care about the differences between consoles, just buy a PC. You will be way happier.

[AIndoria]

Yes it matters. There are people who'd rather play it on their couch instead of hurting their backs on a chair-desk.

Source: PC gamer. Don't be an elitist a-hole, you give us a bad name.

[KazHiraiFTW]

lol you know how easy it is to play your PC on tv?

Step 1: Take an hdmi cable then insert into back of video card.

Step 2: Take other end of hdmi cable and insert into back of television.

Step 3: Enjoy any game you want in TRUE 1080p resolution and way better graphics and 60 fps while sitting your fat ass on a couch.

[tee_bag242]

@ Alndoria

Stop with the excuses! If you don't know how to plug a HDMI cord from your PC into your TV, or a 360 pad to your PC... just say so.

Don't be a fool-elitist. You give us fools a bad name.

[SonyPS4]

I am getting this on PC either way. Not going to settle for less than the true BF experience.

[Hello_World]

True. Playing BF3 for the first time on high-end PC for about 2 weeks, and it has a very big community and is like playing a different game than when playing it on consoles.

[TheGreatGamer]

There won't be many compromises but the ps4 version is sure to have better graphics and won't drop frame rate as much as xbone

[tordavis]

^ Armchair developer in the house!

[andibandit]

@CharlieOakley97

but the pc version will just be soo much better than the ps4 version.

ahh youre right, bashing the competition feels good.

[TheGreatGamer]

PC will obviously blow them both away only wished i had enough money to build a good one

[SonyPS360]

The lesser of 2 inferior versions, and even that is speculation.

So far the only thing we know for sure is that the PC version is insanely superior.

[clmstr]

Well, this was to be expected.

[ape007]

im no PC gamer, i havn't played on any pc more than 2 hourse except half life 2 and Doom 3 in 2004 (good ol days)

but PC will always edge out consoles

[Eonjay]

PC version was running on dual 7990 GPU setups. The estimated price of the PC rig they used was $3000. So, it better look better on a super highend PC if you are going to spend that kind of money. If consoles were that expensive, the console gaming community would be much smaller.

[CoLD FiRE]

But it would still run at 1080p 60fps on an old ass 5850. :\

[Studio-YaMi]

No it won't,unless you lower the visuals or lower the res,stop spreading false info.

[starchild]

Trust me, once it is optimized the system requirements won't be dramatically different than they were for Battlefield 3. I get a solid 60fps in Battlefield 3 on my overclocked HD 7950.

[Kleptic]

yeah, i've read rumors that those crossfire'd rigs used for E3 and Gamescom were natively running the game maxed at something above 2k...at least for the networked press matches (not sure about the videos released to the press)...

So the test PC's used for that are not really anything to go on...a huge amount of that expense was simply in cooling as well, as conferences are notorious for temp control problems...

I'm waiting to see what happens with AMD's deal with EA...a number of radeon gpu's will ship with a full copy of BF4...along with a price cut/sale to a lot of them...Here's to hoping i can finally pick up a 7970 3gb ddr5 for under $300...i've been waiting since June, almost grabbed one for $304 on amazon, but then read about this bf4 deal coming...

[theEx1Le]

@kleptic, getting my 7970 later this week for £180 :D. I'm sure it'll have no problem keeping up with BF4.

[cyguration]

@Kleptic

It was 4K and they were using "The Malta", that $1k dual-GPU that destroyed the Titan in the benchmarks.

But yeah, I agree, those conference setups are nothing to go by since you could get good results on a decent 7xxx brand from AMD.

[tee_bag242]

Yes and they were playing it a 4k resolution and probably 120 fps. Did you forget that part ?

[Niv]

Would u pay for more graphics? Start whining at an $600 ps4 with gtx780 on board.
Let this cycle run 5 years , the next gen wil arrive sooner than you think, especially ifxb1 sales are 40mill to ps4s 80mill.
Microsoft should pull the trigger first.

[SonyPS4]

Oh the guy with a crystal ball...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What

[monkeyfox]

Yeah im sure it will look better... on a top of the range PC..

Alot of people running this game on their PCs however will not be able to match the quality of the new consoles im afraid..

Same old bullshit argument.. YES of course a £1000+ PC will look better than a £300 console... DUH...

[tubers]

"Alot of people running this game on their PCs however will not be able to match the AFFORDABILITY and SIMPLICITY of the new consoles im afraid.."

That's really mostly it.

Experience/quality is more subjective.

[pabadamus1]

Uh duh. Of course the PC version on ultra settings will be better than anything consoles can do. Before everyone starts burning Dice in effigy we should realize that we will get 60 F/S and 64 player matches...a first in console history for the franchise. The thing is I played BF3 on consoles and I was thoroughly entertained and impressed by the presentation. If BF4 is better than that and runs at a smoother, faster frame rate then bring it on.

[amnalehu]

In a year we will find out that it has nothing to do with console capability. I remember when the first Madden came out on PS3 and how they said that they were constrained by the systems "limitations" and you look at the current version and they are 10 times better. Seems like they are rushing this game.

[TacticAce]

I think that DICE is purposely not doing the best they can from a graphical standpoint and feature standpoint because they want to add to the longevity of the franchise as much as they can without reaching a saturation point like COD. I believe that they actually have the capability to really have a feature rich and very good looking graphical game but since its the beginning of the console cycle they didnt give us everything yet. You guys need to wait a couple of years when these next gen games break off from current gen and are designed from the ground up for next gen hardware.

[theEx1Le]

Well if thats the case then it kinda sucks for PC guys. They will be maxing out essentially the same game as it released if they way you see it is true. For the record i also believe this is the case. They cant give you the best up front, because why would you buy the next one.

[Khajiit86]

It will look better on pc... I will have more fun with it on PS4 because I will get to play with my friends unlike the pc where only 2 people I know could run the game at minima settings.

[Albie360]

Get richer friends.

[Khajiit86]

How old r u?

[Majin-vegeta]

Some of us have bills and sh*t to pay and we don't ask for an allowance.

[Pandamobile]

Lol, I think that's the opposite of what he means. Most of my friends didn't start PC gaming until they had jobs.

Gaming platforms are like cars. I'll probably offend some people with this analogy, but it's a lot more accurate than you'd think. What it boils down to is that consoles are your mid-class cars. The PS4 and Xbox One are like a 2013 Ford Focus. They get the job done, they have some cool features and they're pretty cheap for what you get.

PC's on the other hand range from your barely-functioning beaters to F1 race cars. You can get something similar to the Ford Focus and expect a similar level of performance out of it - or you can get a high performance luxury car with tons of extra features a lot of people wouldn't even miss.

Some people are willing to dish out some extra dough for a better experience.

[SonyPS360]

So why does BF3, which is still pretty much the best looking game you can buy today, have the biggest community on the PC then?

[Khajiit86]

So I should play where more people play and not where more people I know play?

[stuff]

As usual I wonder how many here actually read the article:

"I try to remember what it looked like back then," Bach adds. "To me it's back then! It has come a long way. This is why I'm not completely sure on how to answer the question, because some people might not see the difference. When they look at it, [they'll say,] 'Yes, it looks exactly the same.' To me, I will see the difference because there are so many levels of fidelity that is for some people hard to spot. The experience will be very, very similar, but then what it is might not be the same."

He also talks about how he feels that PCs aren't even powerful enough to satisfy him. Some people are just hard to please.

[Npugz7]

Either these next gen systems are weaker than expected if they are already maxing them out or Dice doesn't do a good job of ports!

[tuglu_pati]

you know this is a launch tittle right?

[illtownNJONE]

its a lauch title give 1 to 2 yrs consoles should be good by then

[Ve_Chuy]

BEHOLD Pc the king of gaming world

[AIndoria]

Behold another elitist idiot here to give us a bad name. Pipe down bro, pipe down. Let console gamers enjoy their game, just as we'd enjoy our own.

[Underworld]

And I couldn't care less! How will I ever survive. The difference will be minuscule. And no, it won't look better on all pcs. I hate when people say "It looks better on pc" like everyone has the same top pc. There will be many people playing it on pcs that won't look as good as the console versions. All depends on what you have. Don't give this crap that it'll look 10x better on pc or will "destroy" the console version. All will look great! PC gamers have to be the most annoying fanboys. I and millions of others prefer consoles. We don't want to game on pcs! Get over yourselves.

[Ve_Chuy]

No matter what console gamers says pc is the king of gaming and everybody knows that. Best graphics, best games, best exclusives, Best tournaments, Mods, Cheaper, Awesome Free to play games: Dota 2, Hon, LoL, Hawken, Mechwarrior, Warframe, Warface, Runescape,
Star Wars The Old Republic, Tf2, Path of Exile, Tribes Ascend, Smite and many many more !!FREEEE!!, i prefer spend 5000$ on a PC and enjoy all his advantages as gaming platform, and guess what is Cheaper play on pc look this insane deal 10 AAA games for 5$ https://www.humblebundle.co... you cant find something like this on consoles, and remember is a PC that does so much more things than play games, so tell me a reason to play on consoles if you can play of pc? the truth hurts common let the disagrees roll

[Underworld]

Oh God. Yes, we all know the best pcs have better graphics and are more powerful. PC gamers don't need to act like pricks though. I spend a lot of time on pc browsing the net and doing work, I don't want to game on it too. I like my consoles. Cheaper and far easier to use. Best games? Lol. PC has hardly any games I want to play, and I prefer the console exclusives. And I don't like mouse & keyboard. You want to spend $5000 on a pc. Good for you, bud. I don't!

I swear pc gamers just can't stand people not liking pc too.

[SonyPS360]

@underworld

A lot of console fanboys are just as prickish and snobby.

Ps3 fantards were the worst this generation.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

wish hawken was f2p on the ps4. hell, i'd even pay to play it!

[jlo]

BF3 was a very well optimised game. You don't need a beastly rig to run it at 1080p 60fs, probably the same for BF4

They've shown them on two 7970s, because they were early builds and also running at resolutions beyond 1080p

[KontryBoy706]

Now people want to say, "well duh of course it would look better on PC". A few weeks ago I read several people saying "oh these consoles are going to be just as good as PCs... take that PC master race". "Oh, the PS4 is very powerful... powerful enough to run games in 1080p 60fps and look like a maxed out PC". People really need to pipe down and expect more of these "cuts and compromises" in the coming years. Don't expect a $400/$500 console to be a gaming PC. It's just not going to happen. The media is the blame for hyping everyone up for no reason, now people expect these consoles to be just as good as a gaming rig. Not so. Don't you guys know a PC GPU is half the size of the PS4/XB1? I believe we will see more info in the coming months/years of games with more "cuts and compromises".

[voodoogts]

30fps and 720p is not nexgen. That's ps3 and 360. These nexgen console better be 1080p 60fps

[Pandamobile]

Your expectations of "next-gen" might be a little unrealistic there, friend.

[KontryBoy706]

Well PeaceKeeper... this current gen had PLEANTY of games that weren't actually 720p... they were sub 720p. AKA weak ass consoles.

[SonyPS360]

FPS and resolution isn't what makes a game next gen.

We had 60 fps games on the dreamcast, but look at them today.

[hollabox]

Getting BF4 on the PC as usual, I just hope AMD next GPU is out by then. My Nvidia GTX 670 is starting to struggle in games with full effects and AA.

[Locknuts]

I think 60fps is the most important thing. Definitely more important than resolution and even more important than 64 players.

[Asuka]

honestly once the game is fully optimized you should be able to run this game on high settings @1080p >60fps on a $600 pc no problem. 1440p and beyond is a different story. People like to bring up those demo kits using 7990s and say that you would have to spend ~$3000 just so you can play the game. but thats only if you play on gaming with multiple monitors and/or >1440p. Most people are probably not going to play @1440p or beyond, so 1080p@60fps for about ~$600 is reasonable. its still more expensive than a console, but you get a pc out of it.

the consoles are nice however. The graphical settings shouldnt be too much different, probably medium~high settings when compared to pc with slightly lower textures, but you wont notice the difference anyway @1080p. not enough pixels being rendered to care.

[esemce]

The game will be 720p@60fps maybe 1360x786 and up scaled to 1080p but it will not be native 1080p@60fps.

[kingPoS]

How in the world did gt5 ever mange 1280 x 1080 @ 60fps. Come to think of it.. that was years ago. Lets talk about the engineered consoles of the next generation and what they can do.

I usually reserve judgment for the final product... do you?

[lunatic0001]

dont care if it looks like shit compared to pc...just give me 64 player matches and a smooth 60fps and im good :) only problem i have is for what next gen console i should get this for????

[Majin-vegeta]

The one all your friends are gonna be on.For me it's PS4.

[lunatic0001]

thats the problem it used to be that everyone would be on xbox but it seem everyone is split between next gen consoles

[Albie360]

I so not understand your problem? Ps4 all the way.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

just get both...problem solved.

[PFFT]

I think this is a very bad place for you to be asking which system will be right for you. You should do a bit more research on each respected system. Price point (IF price point isnt a issue then we can scratch that one off), games so on and so forth. I for one will be buying the Xbox One come launch day BUT i do plan on getting a PS4 at a later date since like you i will have friends on both sides. And well KZ and Second Son look to freaking bad ass to let them pass.

[lunatic0001]

i never asked which system should i get...if everything goes well ill be having them both by the end of this year im still debating what system should i get bf4 for....its a hard decision this time because i always got the 360 versions last gen because of my friends but this next gen is gonna be tough since some are getting ps4 and some xb1.... stupid friends of mine

[solar]

Supercharged PC.

[staticdash22]

Killzone Shadow Fall is gonna be 1080p, 60fps in multiplayer(confirmed by Eric Boltjes)

Should I cancel my BF4 pre order? Nope, it will still be a great game, but I can't lie, I'm a little disappointed in this recent news. This is why I've begun slipping out of multiplatform fps games. Those games never see the kind of jump that exclusives like Halo & Killzone see. Only one hardware to code & learn. Greatest potential for growth since they aren't scaling to the lowest denominator.

[Funky Town_TX]

Please do not compare KZ with BF.

[one2thr]

For one you gotta look at the three different system architectures:

1) Pc (Average setup: GPU 1-2gb vRam, Quad core Cpu, 4-8gb System Ram)

2) Xbox one (Setup: GPU, Octo core Cpu but devs only have acess to 6 of the 8 cores, 8gb system Ram 5gb being accessable to devs)

3) PS4 (Setup: GPU, Secondary low power Cpu strictly for OS, Octo core Cpu devs have access to all 8 cores, 8gb of vRam 6.5-ish gb being accessable to devs)

Unlike Pc, Dice has to find a happy a medium for the two console counterparts, with strict system limitations, compared to the PC which can run BF4 on brute strength/force alone...

Thats something consoles werent built for, its all about: time, resources, and optimizations...

And from what Im seeing, is that Dice doesnt have a lot of time to evaluate what resouces to use and how to optimize their game to use such resouces...

Just my thoughts on their current next gen situation...

[RegorL]

DICE will have enough time!

(You forgot to subtract OS overhead for PC...)

Remember that even if BF4 wasn't to be released for PS4 and XBoxOne some people will run it on their computers with APUs a generation older than what's in Next Gen Consoles.

A) It will run better on Next Gen Consoles than on corresponding APUs due to being specifically tested.

B) It will be optimized for Next Gen Consoles, if this code can be rewritten to assembler and you will earn a few ms per frame by doing that - you probably will!

C) On capable PC hardware already BF3 run the majority of its processes for single player on the GPU. This can be verified by looking at BF3 benchmarks, as most only tested single player. Now Next Gen Consoles will make this available, and it is not a new feature for BF4...

D) Finding the balance is simpler for consoles.
For PC you have to provide a lot of options, on consoles you say THIS is the setting. And the running code will not have to handle unused options...

BUT there is one big problem with new hardware. It can/will contain unknown hardware bugs. You might run into them later in a generation when optimizing in new ways. But most are hidden when you first lift that rock.

Advanced embedded processors are often followed by a sheet of erratas like "When filling CPU cache GPU might stall. Make sure there are idle periods"

[one2thr]

Ok I see what your getting at, its basically a "cookie jar" for consoles, that offers one type of cookie, that can be as good as the better cookie jar cookies depending on the taste and judgement of the cookie eater... (Something equivalent to that)

And that some cookies bake hotter than some and cool faster than some, and some may even break apart due to recipe errors, and need a few measurement tweaked...

All maybe good as long as Dice doesnt choose the "Easy bake" route I suppose...

(truth be told, im inhaling some cookies right now)

[RegorL]

No, consoles are the oven you bake your cookies (game frames) in.

If you are used to an electric oven it takes time to get perfect result in a gas oven.

But moving from one electric oven to another or one gas oven to another is much less problematic.

Erratas are like "you can not vacuum clean at the same time as you use your electrical oven"

This generation XBox One will be more problematic, what ingredients to keep on the table just in front of you; raisins, butter or flower or will I be better off keeping a mixture of butter and flower? Or even better; I keep replacing what I have as I go along, hire a coworker to make these replacements.
This works extremely well as long as the cake your baking does not contain too many ingredients or you are supposed to bake on an industrial scale...

PS4 keeps all its ingredients slightly further away but all ingredients are within reach.

(Well both will need to ask a coworker to go to the store to buy more butter "do also buy chocolate")

[CoderAsh]

I have a feeling that these compromises come from the fact that they would like to support the current gen and nothing to do with the next gen hardware capabilities.

[windblowsagain]

They need to compromise on XBOXONE is more like it.

Recommended (my guess)

OS: Windows 7-8 64-bit
Processor: Quad-core Intel or AMD CPU
RAM: 4GB
Graphics card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, Nvidia GeForce GTX 590 or ATI Radeon 6990.
Graphics card memory: 2 GB

PS4 comes close.

Xbox one does not.

[Keregan]

Yeah, that must why the PS4 demo version of BF4 wasn't able to run at 1080p it's because of the xbox holding it back. The PS4 graphics were already lacking with only a 16 matchup gameplay footage. Imagine what it will be with 64 players + vehicules+ building destruction + some apps running in the background the poor PS4 will melt from inside. Lol, the damn console wasn't even able to run AC4 without framerating so imagine what it is with a FPS.

[kingduqc]

Compromise on day 1

heuheuheuehueuehuheuhehe "Next gen"

Imagine how bad they will look 4 year down the line.

[Corpser]

Next gen consoles holding back gaming already!

[iistuii]

Lots of people keep going on about it not running on an old PC. But we're gamers, so we have gaming pc's of which we build to play games. So most people on this site who will buy B4 on their PC will no doubt be able to run it maxed out. If you only have an old PC which isn't used for games, then of course get it for your console of choice, but don't call us elitist just because we like our games looking the best we can get them. B4 PC for me...

[cell989]

this is a little bit of a turn off, the fact that they are suppose to be new consoles, yet this game wont run to its full potential, we still got like 6-7 years before we see a new generation. The cycle continues, PC always ahead :(

[venom06]

NO OTHER GAME HAS 60FPS and 64players.... none... so please stop mentioning Killzone... smooth gameplay with great grafix is desired... not necessary EXCELLENT grafix...

[JohnS1313]

If they made a PS4/PC game they wouldn't need to compromise. There just aren't PCs out there right now that are better. To make the Xbone version look as good as the PS4 version though they're going to compromise so they can make Microsoft look good. Don't do it EA. Make real PS4 games.

[aquamala]

"The PC version of Battlefield 4 will look better than the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One versions"

[InTheZoneAC]

compromises are to be expected

having a game engine primed for each specific console would help, but that's too much time/money wasted for the same return.

[BG11579]

If the PC version is without doubt the best version, the million dollar question that the Xbox fans and the Sony fans want to see answered is which version will be the best between the two consoles...

Everyone make your bet!!!

[Destrania]

This happens every generation it seems like. 3rd party saying 'this can or can not be done on the console', then Sony 1st and 2nd party developers coming out and saying 'oh yeah? Hahaha, take a look at this and stfu'.

[givemeshelter]

When Sony can make a game with the same size and scope of battlefield games with almost full destruction and various vehicles and the shear amount of players on screen with those size maps looking the way that game looks, then you can talk. Sony has no such game

[Destrania]

MAG, Dust 514 on the freakin' PS3 (no need to even continue). No games have ever matched and will never match what Sony has and will be releasing on their consoles, ever. Planetside 2 is coming to PS4 for goodness sake. Don't even bother arguing because you sound ridiculous.

[givemeshelter]

And all those games you just mentioned do not have the same map sizes or destruction let alone the visuals and same amount of VEHICLES on the screen of BF games. Try again.
Now you sound ridiculous... Just mentioning MAG should have given you a hint....

[josh14399]

I'm sure they could make the ps4 and xbox one versions look much better than they currently do in future battlefield games. Look at games like Perfect Dark Zero that released at the start of this generation compared to games like Uncharted 3.

[NeutralXP]

What is it like 30fps 720 on ps4

[MohammedAlShalan]

they say next-gen...

srsly, why next gen? and a game like BF4 cannot be 60fps and 1080p? I was expecting more than this, we all were..

[lllll-lllll]

They're just a little bit incompetent right now - an engine overhaul might just do the trick for BF in 2014. Time is 2 short right now.

[jlo]

It's natural to need to compromise on such weak hardware

[Drithe]

Once again, the PC is the almighty graphics king.

[Master-H]

Of course it's gona look and play better on thousand dollar rigs, nothing new here.
If you want a fair comparison compare the ps4 version with a PC version running on a 400 dollar PC i dare ya, or compare it with a PC of similar specs (HD7850, 8 gigs DDR3...)(which probably costs more than 500 dollars).

[DomceM]

umm. no. They should be compared 1 to 1. Why? B/c pc doesnt charge you 50$ a year to play online. ALso pc games are cheaper. How many years you gonna play ur ps4? 6 ? Thats 300 right there. ur ps4 will prolly cost more than $700 at the end 6 years is a generous assumption. and thats w/o even counting the games.

so yes. A comparison with a $1000 dollar pc is fair.

Play consoles for exclusives and for simplicity. Dont pretend like its cheaper. b/c its not.

[Master-H]

It might not be cheaper in the long run (it's debatable and depends on your personal choices, see my points later down the post) but that cost is spread out across all those 6 years you mentioned while for the PC you have to dish out 1000 dollars straight up and not many people have that kind of budget for gaming.

And that 50$ a year sub isn't always valid, because some people might want to play singleplayer only or play f2p games ,the console still works without the sub and not all games require a sub.

Another thing you're overlooking is the used game market, a lot of console gamers buy games that they're not much interested in used so it costs them less, also some people like to sell the games they don't like much, some people always sell a game once they completed it, on steam that option isn't there.

Another HUUUGE thing you seem to forget is that 50 dollar sub is gon get you a bunch of free games (provided that you're gona stay subbed for 6 years like you calculated) , just go check out how many games ps3 users got from ps+ in the year 2012 alone...

Waiting for your counter argument..

[DomceM]

yeah, maybe some people don't have $1000 to shell out for a PC. Yet again, i see a ton of people here bragging how they will buy both ps4 and xbox one... or how many games they will buy. Lack of funds doesn't seem to be the issue for a lot (although not everyone).

Still, it is not fair to compare platform costs, and try to ignore the fact that your platform is just as expensive or more expensive over time.

Some people might not want to play online... i dont argue with you. How many of those exist out there, realistically speaking? They are a minority, and if thats what you plan on doing, then i see no problem going with a console.

Its true that steam doesn't allow resale of games. but honestly, what is the point of resale when you buy games for $5? How much would you expect to get back? If you shop around on a steam sale, you can spend $60-100 and have enough games to play for the ENTIRE YEAR.

Yes ps+ subscription does give you RENTAL of some games, but you never truly own them... the moment when your sub is gone, so are your games, unless you re-sub. That is not ownership for something you are paying. Also, with steam you can CHOOSE which games you want, while with PS+ you have to simply hope that the game you want randomly comes to you.

Another thing that sucks about ps+ is if you buy a game, and then it shows up on PS+. since you have no way to predict which games come on and which do not, you can always make the mistake of buying the game and then getting a rental from sony for the same game.

consoles definitely have their place, but you aren't going to win on the price argument, because console gaming isn't cheaper.

Not only that, but if you buy the PC, then most of your money is in the hardware, which means you will always be playing with better settings than consoles. And its not just about graphics; games like BF3 last gen were only available /w 64 players on the PC. That is an entirely different level of playing and something no console gamer ever got to experience. The mayhem, the chaos...

So yeah... consoles have their place (and i have a Ps3 myself), but lets not argue price here... Consoles are good for exclusive games (naughty dog and TLOU anyone? GOW?), and also for people who just do not know enough to build a PC (even though its ultra easy).

Also some gaming GENRES... not games. but entire genres are missing from the console space. Games like Starcraft II (RTS), Dota 2 (MOBA), HON, LoL, etc... cannot be played with a pad.

So yeah, you tell me which is the better deal for $1000 (that you will pay anyway regardless if you are going pc or console)... good graphics, more players, open platform, MODS, dedicated servers, etc... Or limited platform, royalty to big companies with every game purchase, pay for internet twice, not every game with dedicated servers, not every genre available, etc... on consoles.

It varies. people have different preferences. I have both and play whatever I feel like playing. Hell I even have a PS VITA. But lets weigh these platforms according to the merits and not one sided praise ...

[MuhammadJA]

No freedom with consoles.

[ion666]

no one will see the difference mark my words. P.C. gamers dont always see the same graphics on there computers. I would say everyones computer will look differently.everbody has custom settings and different graphics cards. At least with consoles its consistant everybody who plays on console see the same shit.

[ion666]

....and killzone will be the shit. :)

[sypher]

Expected. It is a PC oriented game after all. The cross platform engine they use will be doing most of the actual porting process. Entirely different than building a game ground up for a specific console.

[Luke_fon_Fabre]

I'm not sure I'm interested in this game really. I'd want to get the PC version if I did get this (I don't have a good one right now though... literally gets 20-30 fps on minecraft)

[d0r1en0]

I'm excited either way. Never gamed on PC, so 64 Players, and 60 FPS on my 50" LED tv, will be awsome!

[cunnilumpkin]

everyone keeps crying about killzone, a tiny, linear, corridor shooter with 12-16 people playing

plus it looks current gen to me, certainly not anywhere near as good as bf3 on pc, and crysis 3 pc absolutely destroys it, heck crysis2 or metro 2033 kill it

I mean look at killzone shadow fall;

http://i.imgur.com/TNsEejG....

http://www.nowgamer.com/sit...

that looks current gen to me, heck mass effect 3 on pc looks better

the fact that bf4 will be 780p or so on console at 60 frames with 64 players on medium settings, you should be happy, that is the most you should expect from a $400 machine

[annus]

These comments are hilarious. Random fanboys saying they know more than developers (of which they were praising a week ago).

Some of you people are a joke. Especially the people who try and STILL claim that they are better than PCs. It's the same shit every single gen with you people.

[BOWZER35]

Either way it will have the same gameplay. Graphics shouldn't matter, still gonna be a sick game.

[hyabusha]

This article makes me sick. Why the hell am I buying a next-gen system.

[TheFamous1]

I like consoles as much as anyone else, but I am worried that these things aren't even out yet and they are already behind? AND these consoles are supposed to last 10 years? This is pretty pathetic in my opinion.. I was not expecting these consoles to perform so poorly.

[Destrania]

You're worried because of some multi-platform, cross-generation engine that's being used and not performing it's best on the next-gen hardware? Give me a break lol. It's so un-optimized that it needs $1,500+ PC's to even reach a level of quality that other games that are dedicated for next-gen, and are optimized for next-gen are reaching. Seriously? Wow.

[EXVirtual]

Well... if I'm honest, this is a cross gen, rushed launch project. Again, you shouldn't base everything at launch. The full power of these new consoles hasn't even started being used. Not to mention if these consoles were on the scale of high end Pcs they'd be expensive as hell. D o you seriously expect consoles to be on the same level.

[TheFamous1]

Already sad as fuck that these new consoles can't even handle next-gen games.. makes your really wonder what will happen in a few years.

[givemeshelter]

If most of you figured these consoles would be running demanding games like BF4 @1080P @60 FPS... You're going to be greatly disappointed this generation... Greatly

[FAT MAN GO BOOM]

We don;t know what BF4 is going to look like on any system... until we are playing it... it goes for any EA game... lying...

the other thing goes for XO games... we have no clue since those games have been shown on modified computers using lol Nvidia Cards that were 550 bucks.. It kills me that they are using cards that are not even going into their systems....

We know what the PS4 is going to look like... since they have ps4 hardware now running in their beta kits...at games com...

as for how things are going to look PC will look the best and ps4 will look good but when compared to PC you will notice a difference but it will look closer... but you will see it easily enough....

XO compared to the PS4 will look similar... but again there will be a noticeable difference... but when XO compared to PC you will be able to pick it out right quick cause the difference will be larger than when being compared to the ps4...

either way I think games should be pissed companies like EA which is the worst I think using a 4000 dollar PC rig to show of games that will only be running on hardware that is 500 and 400 dollars... to start with...

MS is next XO should be pissed cause when you get your system and forza does not look like the Forza from E3... you should be pissed...

It is like going to a burger place looking at the picture and seeing a delicious burger only to order it and it look like nothing like the picture did...

[kendoggx]

we all knew first gen games will not be as good.New tech to mess with,BF 5-6 WILL LOOK GREAT

[CertifiedGamer]

I got a 3D tv so my version of the game is going to look awesome regardless, but I thought the cloud was going to make a difference?

[JeffZurn]

Has there been any footage posted of BF4 on PS4/XOne?

[Destrania]

No, not yet.

[marchinggamer]

These consoles have been far far over hyped. Too many people that no absolutely nothing about how to even interpret specs are spreading alot of misinformation. The ps4 GPU equivalent is about a 7790 andits cpu is there with an amd sempron in terms of power

[PainKillerz]

I just want to play the beta and then buy it for the PS4 and be done with it. Point is that its going to be better looking then the current gen consoles and console gamer's know it will not be like the high end PC visuals but at least it will be somewhat in the low to mid range and i am fine with that and at 400 bucks is a bang for my buck but if i can build a PC i wouldn't want low grade stuff and its hella expensive to maintain and even build a high powered PC and the consoles are for the everyday gamer that just want to just play games and experience the next gen graphics and features and have fun with it. Its a step up for consoles and i am pleased that the PS4 is somewhat affordable and gamer's that cant afford the PC well a least they can still game on no matter what. And its all bout the fun in it and the excitement of new games and new features and socializing and competitive gaming of all ages. And i am a gamer since 84 of the Atari gen so lets game till we pass out lol... Game On !

[EXVirtual]

This is expected. On top of the fact that PC has better specs, DICE and even to some extent EA itself is primarily PC. Look at the difference between the console and PC versions of Mirror' edge.

[urwifeminder]

Makes you wonder if they could run bad company 2 at 1080p lol either way will get for pc as for most multiplats.