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The Xbox One and PS4: When did gamers stop caring about video games?

GameZone writes, "I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but at some point in the recent past, being a gamer started to mean that you had to religiously align yourself with a console manufacturer. And these days ridiculing Microsoft has become so vogue that the rhetoric is starting to resemble the kind of meaningless drivel that we've become accustomed to in politics."

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ShugaCane3888d ago

"This week, Microsoft published a list of 50 titles that are in various stages of the development for the Xbox One, and 23 of those will be available on launch day. By contrast, Sony’s console has 33 titles in the works, and only 15 of those will become available during the launch window (notice that I said launch window instead of launch day for the PlayStation 4)."

May I correct this. The PS4 has 180 titles in development.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

ABeastNamedTariq3888d ago

Thanks for stopping the flow of misinformation. Where the hell do these guys do their research?

guitarded773888d ago

"Where the hell do these guys do their research?"

On the internet... that's why misinformation breeds misinformation. It's a vicious cycle. One loser posts inaccurate info, and it all falls like a house of cards. Sony also has many more games launching with the PS4, they're just looking at retail titles... but there are many downloadable games for day one too.

Brazz3888d ago

I can forgive misinformation but after this read i dare say that this guy is extremely partial ... It puts the X1 in the sky, asks why some people do not like the product, clearly says that microsoft is doing a better job than the sony and repeatedly tries to mask a preference for microsoft with "words of comfort" for Sony, he assaults indirectly playstation and after says he'll be fine, things are kinda cool and "both are good machines, x1 is just a little better" ...
I don'tthink this is misinformation, i think this guy realywant to boost X1, sadly...

MizTv3888d ago

Games is why I picked ps A long time ago

SolidStoner3888d ago

yet, another porn gaming news...

XB1_PS43888d ago

I want to know the true numbers with these 4 categories. All release dates must be scheduled for 2014, and works in progress.

1)PS4 AAA Titles
2)Xbox One AAA Titles
3)PS4 Indie Titles
4)Xbox One Indie Titles.

That would be a good article.

levian3888d ago

I really hate to say it, but how many of those 180 are indie games? Don't hate me saying I'm an XBone fanboy, I'm getting a PS4. But I really don't think indie games should be counted. Out of all the indies out there I think I've enjoyed like 3 or 4. And it's not like they're PS4 exclusive - they'll be on PC, possibly iPhone/Android, and a lot of these indies are said to be "coming first" to playstation.

windblowsagain3887d ago

@ABeastNamedTariq.

They do their research at the VGCHARTZ factory.

Now pick a number and go with it.

SilentNegotiator3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Xbox fanboys are always whining about people "aligning" (taking favor) with one console while making crap up to make Xbox One seem superior.

Playing the "victim" while boasting your side supreme. Like politicians.

avengers19783887d ago

@sofresh
Total games announced
PS4 79 XB1 55
Original IPs
PS4 42 XB1 18
Indie
PS4 24 XB1 5
True exclusives (AAA)
PS4 15 XB1 17

dantesparda3887d ago

"And these days ridiculing Microsoft has become so vogue that the rhetoric is starting to resemble the kind of meaningless drivel that we've become accustomed to in politics."

Yet i bet you not one peep out of this guy when people ridicule Sony or it was "vogue" to ridicule Sony. Fanboys (and yes that's what this guy is) are so phony.

And p.s. to MS fanboys stop whining

Godmars2903887d ago

@avengers1978:

Still need to regard production into when those games show up. For both MS and Sony.

clrlite3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Personal bias can lead to all sorts of misinformation on here.

I am more of a Playstation fan but at least try to use factual information

These articles make for a lot of funny threads though.

Well said bubble come_bom.

UnholyLight3887d ago

@clearelite

Thank you for having a brain on here! I was more of an Xbox guy this gen but this coming gen I'll be on both PS4 and Xbox One. To each their own but I think I have to agree with some of what the guy in the article says about how Microsoft has gone back and done what everyone asked them to reverse and yet the same people are mad at them for listening to them?? I don't understand!

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come_bom3888d ago

Fanboys play consoles, not games.

XB1_PS43888d ago

Ay Dios Mio. That ^^^ is the quote of the day.

walkincarpet3887d ago

Good point and they constantly make fools out of themselves. Look at all of them lining up to prove the authors point.

Truth3887d ago

Well said and bubbs added.

theoneb3887d ago

Very true and have existed since Genesis does and Nintendont.
I was a die hard Sega supporter, knew all the specs of the Sega CD 32x and asked my mom for both until I found out about Sega Saturn.

Sega could do no evil in my eyes. So one faithful day we went to walmart to buy a Saturn and I saw the game Tekken on the shelves. I was amazed to see that game as I remember being blown away by the still in the arcade version at my local pizzeria.

I picked up the box to find that Tekken was only on PlayStation a consle that I didn't even know existed. I was torn between brand loyalty and great games and nedless to say I never owned another Sega console.

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devwan3888d ago

pfffft, very poor article!

It's 33 games released before the end of the year - that's in the first 10 or 11 weeks of the ps4 going on sale!

Yes, many of those are indie games... but my god, some of those indies are looking fantastic!

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MysticStrummer3888d ago

@Gman - Get used to it. Indies are cheaper to make, and last year there were two that became legitimate GotY candidates, Journey and The Walking Dead.

AAA games are a much bigger risk, especially when most of the buying power is now in the hands of people who started their gaming careers with simple games. Indie games play right into that demographic, even though those same people also play plenty of AAA games.

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levian3888d ago

@Gman

I know how you feel, even though stating your opinion on the fact gets instant disagrees. Out of all the indie games, I've only really enjoyed Terraria, Super Meat Boy and Dungeon Defenders.

People don't buy consoles to play indie games (no offense PS Vita), and they need to stop being counted as actual console games. If you're going with that logic, you may as well say that the iPhone/Android is the best console, because it has 1000s of games, and a ton of them are free! They don't count.

MysticStrummer3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

"People don't buy consoles to play indie games"

Anyone who's been paying attention to the last 3 generations knows Sony always brings the games. Indie games were a nice plus last generation and produced smaller games that were nonetheless legitimate GotY candidates, so it's good to see support for those developers.

I know for myself there were several indie games I wanted before I ever bought my PS3. They were part of my anticipation then, and they're part of my anticipation now. I think this gen will see some great indies on both consoles.

Personally I think neither console has a must have exclusive in the retail launch line-up, but DC Universe, Warframe, Warthunder, Blacklight Retribution, and Planetside 2 ( All Free ) will certainly keep me busy in between playing Battlefield 4 and Watch Dogs. If I go with PS+, add Drive Club and Outlast to that list. That can't be beaten, it's all about games, and there's already great stuff on the horizon.

Indie games are the icing on that cake.

SilentNegotiator3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@Gman

It's funny how certain fans of Xbox, known for its indie games, suddenly don't care so much about them after Microsoft temporarily planned not to have indie games at all (since having a publisher is exactly what destroys your "independent" status).

Perhaps, like DRM, they repeated to themselves that it was a good thing so many times that they actually started to believe it?

rainslacker3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

I disagree.

That's within 6 weeks and 4 days of the system going on sale...in the US at least. Less for Europe. :)

Also...how do people call themselves gamers if they disregard games just because they aren't AAA? Serious question here.

devwan3887d ago

@rainslacker - yes, I added a whole extra month for some bizarre reasons, it's just 6 or 7 weeks and 33 games!

DigitalRaptor3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@ Gman

All Sony is doing is opening their arms to creative minds who want to make games, and emphasising that to the world. Again, you are strangely worried that Sony aren't going to focus on AAA because they are giving indies a platform on par with AAA? That is simply ridiculous to suggest based on a proven track record.

Let's face it though, Microsoft drove the whole indie popularity on consoles regardless of the fact that consoles have been supporting indie status before Microsoft even got into the XBox business. Naughty Dog and Insomniac were indie developers at one point in time. Think on that one for a second.

This company is supporting the developers of tomorrow and giving them a stage, a catalyst if you will, to prove themselves. If the games they make are shite, then we won't buy them. If they make creative, fun and unique experiences (which they mostly always do) to compliment AAA productions, what is to complain about?

Games that truly deserve it will be promoted and lauded, and the ones that are not good will stand out like a sore thumb. Just like we know exactly which AAA games are duds.

For example: RiMe, Outlast, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Shadow of the Beast, Transistor, The Witness, all look like they're shaping up to be pretty great games, and those are to name but a few.

humbleopinion3887d ago

@DigitalRaptor

The main problem with all the games you mentioned is that they're not really falling into the category of "This company is supporting the developers of tomorrow and giving them a stage, a catalyst if you will, to prove themselves".

When Microsoft picked up games like Bastion or Braid or Limbo or Deadlight or Fez and many others they took a risk with an unknown developer who had no prior games to show for. It was kind of a gamble. The same applies to Sony and ThatGameCompany I think.

But right now? People like Jonathan Blow and companies like SuperGiant games already proved themselves, have an immense fan following, and can pretty much release their games anywhere they want knowing that it will sell pretty well based on their name alone.
So when Sony picks up their games throwing some money in their general direction, they're not really incubating new idead giving unknown developers a stage (obviously the same applies to Microsoft picking up games such as Minecraft after it became an immense success).

It's also not a new practice: Microsoft did it last gen with Alan Wake after the success of Max Payne, and Sony did it with Heavy Rain after the success of Indigo Prophecy. Both games could have seen a multiplat release if it wasn't for this.
The only difference is that the costs of development are rising, so it becomes more risky to invest in one big franchise from an external developer (not to mention the possible loss of sales on other platforms). Instead Sony opted out for much smaller developers who are truly indie and produce smaller and cheaper games, but are still known to be the developers of today - not the ones of tomorrow.

I want to see which company manages to nurture the real indie innovators of tomorrow, not simply buying out exclusivity for games from developers we all know and love. That will be their true test next gen in my opinion.

Jazz41083887d ago

360 had tons of indie games and arcade games and kinect games but those were not allowed to be used against ps3s official list that still has games from 6 years aggo that have not released. What was said was sony shows there games ahead of time ecen in concept stages. Wow. Its just really twofaced. Like i have said many times play games not systems.

Seafort3887d ago

I'd rather play indie games than the AAA games. Most of the time indie games have much more variety and depth and come at an affordable price.

Indie just means Independant and can be 100+ people or 1-2.

I'm glad Sony are treating the indie devs with respect and including them on their console at launch.

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Bzone243888d ago

I think the difference is that they are using numbers for titles that have been posted. Unless I'm wrong and there is a list of the 180 titles Ps4 has in development?

thezeldadoth3888d ago

you really think that all 180 games are going to be big AAA worth playing titles?

pyramidshead3888d ago

180 holy shit, that's more than the 150 previously rumoured. Will be a good gen to be a PlayStation gamer!

Narutone663887d ago

Hahaha... So PS4 also did a 180. Joking aside, that's a lot of games.

coopman3003887d ago

Yea but how many of those 180 games will be worth playing, 3 or 4? For every good indie game I've played there are a host of them that are total crap, jus sayin.

SpecialSauce3888d ago

meanwhile sony continues to produce many great games for the ps3, the same cannot be said about microsoft. microsoft does dirty tactics, real gamers notice these things. investing all their studios and time in the new console while ditching the old

MizTv3888d ago

I agree
And don't forget about there Reliable hardware

Edward753888d ago

I have clarify your statement sugercane....

http://www.examiner.com/art...

The now 180 titles in development INCLUDE third party.

Microsofts titles in development number DOES NOT INCLUDE third party.

The numbers in actuality have more titles being made by MS.

Why do many people twist the info? The amount of games is a lot closer with an actual edge to MS right now. The 33 titles are Sony "made" games compared to 50 by ms.

I wonder what it would be if MS included the third party titles. Like I said very similar. People would be stupid to think that 180 in house games are being developed now for the PS4. That wouldn't even be close to financially viable.

calis3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

"The 33 titles are Sony "made" games compared to 50 by ms. "

There is no way in heck MS are developing 50 exclusive games at the one time.

Jiggins993888d ago

did the 360 even have 50 exclusives?
the only ones which come to mind are halo and gears.
theres another big one im missing but i just cant think of it

JackStraw3888d ago

thanks captain obvious. OF COURSE it includes third party.

face, meet palm.

HammadTheBeast3888d ago

MS doesn't even have 25 in-house studios, unless each of their studios is making 4 games each, then it includes third-parties.

mistertwoturbo3888d ago

lol seriously...

You actually think Microsoft is going to make 50 exclusive games in one year?

Edward753887d ago

Mister two, no I don't. Not in the first year, that would be a bit crazy. I am saying in development, period. When did I say in the first year? Feel free to answer.

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JBSleek3888d ago

Obviously we are talking about studio only or publisher made not third party. If you included third party MS numbers would be huge as well.

Edward753888d ago

50 and 33 by both are very possible. Especially considering ms dumping all the money in games.

The biggest thing I want to make clear is simply this... This next gen war between MS and Sony is going to be a lot closer then many on this site want to admit. It's great for all of us!

n4rc3888d ago

for one thing... saying you have 180 but can only manage names for 33 and providing a list of 50 titles are two different things.. i seriously doubt that every single title MS is working on is on that list..

"On the internet... that's why misinformation breeds misinformation. It's a vicious cycle. One loser posts inaccurate info, and it all falls like a house of cards"

so very true.. but it works on both sides.

StoutBEER3888d ago

See this is true. I go on PS4 vids even though i'm getting an Xbox One cause some of the games they have look interesting. Murasakibaby, Infamous Second Son, and Killzone to a lesser degree. But I don't go on there to bitch, i do it cause i'm interested. Yet all I see are people bashing my choice. Why? Because they are petty as hell. I wan't to seewhat people think about the game, not how much they hate me and my console

quenomamen3888d ago

I really like how all the focus is on launch day games, not on what comes months or years after that. You can have 100 games on launch day. So what ? How many of those do I want to play ? How many of those do I want to spend $60 a pop on ? You're still paying more for an under powered system fact. You enjoy your rehash of a game From 1992 that they're charging $5 a character for and I'll enjoy playing BF4 and Watchdogs and keep my extra $100. Come back in 1-2 years when Devs start to take advantage of the better hardware and tell me how much you enjoyed Ryse Son Of Rome.

buynit3887d ago

Did this fool just take a stab at killer instinct?! You sound like a bitter "gamer"..

How aboit you just dont come back at all?

NextGen24Gamer3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Who counts indie games honestly? For every 1000 indie games developed....1 or 2 end up being good or great. Sony fans can't be serious with this...This has got to be a joke. Since when does console gamers care about cheaply made, a dime a dozen, indie games that 1/100 end up being OKAY? LOL....This has gotten absurd and it's at an alltime low. Who the heck buys a next gen console for indie games? LOL...

LOL...I guess sony fanboys preferences are different than mine and that is fine. As a 35 year old gamer, I admit that my needs/wants have changed. I like all of the navigation features and having my Xbox taking care of pretty much everything. I also have family living in other states, so to be able to just tell it to Skype up to 4 of them in one session will be great. Will I play Kinect only games? Most likely not. Though my 4 year old daughter loved a couple kinnect games on the xbox 360. But I'm optimistic that devs can find ways to complement hardcore games in ways that we haven't seen before, such as touching your temple to activate night vision. The possibilities are exciting for me as a hardcore gamer. I'm also pretty excited for the games that we've seen so far. I personally think that XB1 has the stronger exclusive line up so far. Again, these are just my opinions and preferences and while I don't understand the excitement for all those indie games, I respect that sony fans are different.

walkincarpet3887d ago

I'm right there with you, E24G, well almost, 38, with three young sons. So have limited time playing games, but when I do, I want the best experience, I want to connect online with out of town family, and I want some new game play! Playing with the same fundamental controller input has gotten old after 30 years. Can't wait for X1 - the system is better than PS4 in every way except for graphics and surprisingly has better games out of the gate.

NextGen24Gamer3887d ago

Walkincarpet

I know we are not alone by any stretch of the imagination, though on this site the loudest and most vocal gamers would attempt to make it seem that way. I'm a self admitted graphic geek...And my eye test tells me up to this point the games look as good or better up to this point on the xbox one. But, listening to the many developers who have spoke out on it, it seems the differences will be less in the hardware and more in what the developers do with each console.

So, when sony gamers say that games will look better on the ps4...I actually think that it will depend on the game. There will be 1st party games on both systems that will be mind blowing graphically. Raw power rarely automatically means games will look better. 1080p 60 fps is great and both systems will push that consistently at some point.

There are so many other things that go into graphics on top of the raw power.

Software tools, esram, texture tiling, etc...It's more complicated than gamers understand. Pushing numbers and graphics are not one in the same.

You already have sony fanboys YELLING that Killzone looks amazing...That alone tells me that obviously people have different opinions about what looks good to them. The graphics don't look amazing to me and the gameplay looks boring just like the previous Killzones. That is my opinion and I own all 3 previous Killzones.

To me TITANFALL looks amazing. Graphics & gameplay, but yet I've heard some sony fanboys say the opposite. Once again, obviously opinions will vary on what looks good and what doesn't.

One thing that is clear is that TITAN FALL will releasing 6 months from now, won more awards at E3 than any game in the HISTORY of E3.

And gaming journalist who have played it have raved about how it looks and plays...

Not xbox fans or sony fans...but gaming journalist who do this for a living.

My point...the argument about graphics will never be settled with fanboys...

Devs have already said that there will be little difference and more parity than with the 360 and ps3...

It will ultimately come down to devs....1080p 60fps...Games will look beautiful...

Now lets enjoy the next gen...the graphics argument will never be settled or agreed upon by fanboys....

Outside of graphics...which will never be settled...the xbox one is the only next gen console actually offering something special outside of updated graphics!

Easy choice for my family!

Chevalier3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

@Elitegamer

Really? Sony fans are gamers. We're playing a couple dozen exclusives this year and not just indies. What are 360 fans playing? ! Gears Judgement, Fable HD, and Dark. You guys are trying to make it seem like all Sony is only indies when this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon and Sony just keeps on delivering game after game.

PS3 has Gow: Ascension, The Last of Us, Puppeteer, Rain, Gran Turismo 6, Journey, Beyond, Sly Cooper, MLB 13, Until Dawn from Sony alone. Then FF X/ X-2 HD, KH HD, FF XIV, Ni no Kuni, Tales of Xillia, Dragons Crown, Atelier Ayesha, Time and Eternity, Disgaea D2, Guided Fate Paradox, Aquaplus and more. Games in every genre and many excellent games so quality and quantity.

Also really mature of a 35 year old man to call people fanboys. Guess being older makes you more intelligent? Important and entitled?! MS has dropped support early 2 generations in a row and now you have faith based on a handful of launch titles? Seriously?! Sony systems have a heritage of supporting gamers and releasing a lot and taking creative risk to push gaming forward whether it be games or disc format. So maybe don't talk about respecting Sony fans for being 'different' as you put it when clearly you can care less.

@Walkincarpet - Does your best experience include actual games? Last I checked you guys don't have much to choose from this year or the last few in fact. Irony is last time I had a discussion about games with 360 owners ALL they said was a few good xbox live arcade games. But Indies are bad right? Also you want 'NEW' gameplay? Weird that 'new' is that coming from all those sequels? Dead Rising 3, Halo 5, Fable, Forza 5, Killer Instinct 3 anybody?! Most of the MS developed games are sequels except for what Project Spark?

DigitalRaptor3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Nice number you pulled completely out of your buttocks there, mate.

What you fail to realise and gain is any real perspective of gaming as a whole. All I see here is a rant that you think Sony are not actually going to focus on AAA in a big way, regardless of the generations of evidence that works against you. Of course an Xbox fanboy would negate great looking indie games that are on more than a basement dweller's budget as you seem to believe.

Naughty Dog and Insomniac were indie developers at a point in time. What you fail to perceive is that the bad games will be weeded out and the great ones (more than you seem to believe based on the 1000 indie games you've supposedly played) will be lauded as the developers of tomorrow, on a platform where their work can be truly recognised and their next projects become something bigger and better.

There are a ton of great indie games out there, so why should we spit on them all because their good to average/bad ratio is split? The same can totally be said for AAA retail games. Do you realise how many crappy games hit retail every year? Do you honestly see every retail game as something you want to buy? Exactly.

We had 2 genuine GOTY contenders last year in indie games. Now how does THAT come about?

Warframe is indie - looks great. Blacklight Retribution is indie - looks great. Helldivers is indie - looks great. Transistor is indie - looks great. Everybody's Gone to the Rapture is indie - looks great. RiMe is indie - looks great. Dreamfall Chapters (on PC) is indie - looks great. Shadow of the Beast is indie - looks great. Primal Carnage: Genesis is indie - looks great. The Witness is indie - looks great. Resogun is indie - looks great.

You see, even these early-on indie/free-to-play games look good and many have great ideas with lots of potential. Some of them already have thriving communities on PC, so keep pretending that more options for more diverse, unique and creative experiences are a bad thing.

Sony fans are different for sure, we support the same creative ideas that the Xbox fanbase and PC communities have been supporting for years. This gen we've had Super Meat Boy, Limbo, Braid, Bastion, Spelunky, Trine, Telltale Games, Guacamelee, Journey, The Unfinished Swan, Super Stardust, Dead Nation, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Dear Esther, Hotline Miami, The Binding of Isaac, PixelJunk, Thomas Was Alone, Closure, Mark of the Ninja, FTL: Faster Than light, Don't Starve, and most recently, State of Decay and Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons on XBL - and the list goes on. I think that list is large enough to show the indie development community has had its fair share of great games and relevance for that to expand into future development.

So yes, they do count and Sony fans and fans of gaming in general are serious. Sony are serious because of the indie dev community themselves, and Microsoft are getting serious again after seeing the movement from Sony. See, just like Microsoft, their fanboys only care about the indie development community when it suits them.

@ Chevalier

"xbox one is the only next gen console actually offering something special outside of updated graphics! "

Go on, do it. Tell us what these mythical offerings are, and keep spouting your "PS3.5 philosophies" until you actually believe it some more.

Jazz41083887d ago

Like I said early sony fans discounted and did not count indie games on 360 or kinect. I think sony is going to be using alot of these indie games to pad there ps+ offerings.

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Jamaicangmr3887d ago

Lol! With that correction this article has just become irrelevant.

Good catch ShugaCane

strifeblade3887d ago

180 games! OH my god no Sony please have mercy stop shoving indy games down my throat- i have had enough just give me fewer titles but that actualy have more than one "A" preferably AAA but thats wishful thinking.

xtremeimport3887d ago

Literally...the "playstation has no games" argument is returning. Do Xbots not have any other argument against the Playstation?

We all know how well that worked in the current gen now dont we..

DigitalRaptor3887d ago

They are the only fanbase in gaming that simply doesn't learn, or maybe it's because they refuse to listen. And they won't ever learn with the attitude they've shown over the past few months.

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kickerz3887d ago

Who cares about exact numbers. Gosh.Missing the whole point of the article. Typical. That was an excellent read and What he says is 100% true especially for N4G. You lot wine and bicker non stop about how crap Microsoft is, how about you get a life and enjoying gaming on whatever console you buy.Maybe get a job and buy all consoles. I'm a huge Xbox fan, i like their games, but you won't see me paying anyone out if they are playstation or Nintendo or PC gamers. We"re all gamers.

ShugaCane3887d ago

Typical what lol ? Did I bash the Xbox brand or anything here ?

"Who cares about exact numbers"

Well, it's not as if there was not a huge difference between 33 and 180. If you think this is a neglectable margin in a supposedly fact-based article, then let me question the reliability of your argumentation.

kickerz3887d ago

Sorry I was more so aiming that comment on all those comments who were bashing Xbox. so how many of those 180 games are indie games? how many of those games will be coming to Xbox also? don't get me wrong whoever buys a PS4 is going to have a hell of alot of fun and their will be heaps of great games, but there will also be awesome games on Xbox one.

BallsEye3887d ago

It's all just talk as usual. If sony will show that 180 titles anywhere untill 2015 I will castrate myself. That's kist a bullsh!t number and you know it. mediacore game takes 2 years to develop by 1 studio. If you really believe this number you are just silly unless we include all the indie crap (not including the good indies) that take 10 days to develop.

itBourne3887d ago

Ummm... really? I think gamers stopped caring when the 360 outsold the ps3 2:1 in North America... PS3 had 3x the exclusives and a lot of which were games other publishers would not even green light. When the 360 is still out selling the ps3, despite M$ having no exclusives for well over 2 years now, thats when you realize gamers do not care about games. hmmm.... lets support microsoft because they give us nothing, fuck sony who supports games despite them knowing some are not "mass" market. yah ok the so called gamers can go screw themselves. I will own my ps3 and my pc, and get the best games there are, i will never support m$!

BallsEye3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

MS had no exclusives for 2 years? Please tell me which years were those? Please don't pull out these statements out of your butt. Makes you look bad. You obviously never owned a 360.

Ooo look

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

242 xbox 360 exvclusives. You probably never heard of them, too busy posting on n4g?

And those are only 360 exclusives that arent even on pc (thats why no fable 3 alan wake etc) with those pc/360 exclusives it would be easily over 400 titles.

itBourne3887d ago

http://i.imgur.com/zl10SZ0....

Lol ok yah they are really churning out the quality exclusives..

killcole3887d ago

I think the problem with this is differentiating between development stages. Don't expect to see the 147 titles the article doesn't account for anywhere near the first year. We won't reach that figure for years.

DecoyOctopus3887d ago

I just want to add that the Xbox one wont release in scandinavia and other parts of europe until some time next year so we who live in those places cant get it unless we import and MS has adviced not to ïmport so yeah that sucks... im getting a PS4

dennett3163887d ago

@levian, games are games....it doesn't matter the budget level, who developed it, what platform it appears on...all that matters is if it's a good game or not.

Of course indie games should count, why wouldn't they? You trying to tell me that Hotline Miami isn't a game because it has a lower budget than Aliens: Colonial Marines? I can tell you whichj one of those two I'd classify as a game and which I'd classify as an abortion....here's a hint, the one that misled gamers with fake footage isn't something to be celebrated, despite being a so-called AAA release.

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iamnsuperman3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

"I'll never understand why Microsoft isn't getting credit for actively changing their policies based on customer feedback. The console no longer requires an always-on connection, indie publishing is becoming easier, and now we've learned that the Kinect 2 isn't required to operate the system. This basically covers all of complaints that gamers originally had about the console, doesn't it"

But why give credit? They tried something that was not really in our interest at all (almost insulting in some parts) but you questioning why no one give Microsoft credit for abandoning those policies. Does that really make sense. The reversal is more of a "thank god. Finally some sense" than a "well done Microsoft, have a cookie" moment. You shouldn't give credit to a company that should have be doing those things from day one. You just put that issue under the carpet and move on

LOGICWINS3888d ago

"They tried something that was not really in our interest at all"

Speak for yourself. Over 500k people pre-ordered the One before the policies were changed. Some people were okay with what MS wanted to do, just not enough people to make MS a profit.

Smoovekid3888d ago

No. Does the Xbox One even have 500k pre orders. lol

LOGICWINS3888d ago

At this point it has somewhere between 500k and a million. Not as much as the PS4, but its something.

805Junior8053888d ago

Do you have proof of this? I wouldn't be surprised if they have a quarter of a million pre ordered right now. If they had "500,000" pre ordered before they changed their policies.... than why did they change their policies?

InTheLab3888d ago

500k.....seems a bit suspect. If there were 500k prior to the switch and there's still only 500k, there would be no switch. I think you might have mistakenly added 450k to the actual number...lol

ForgottenProphecy3888d ago

I'm sure a lot of those 500k were die hard Xbox fanboys (Like GeneralMLG) who refuse to purchase anything with Sony on it.
This generation is going to be really close, and that is good for everybody.

DragonKnight3888d ago

@LOGICWINS: There is no way in hell that the Xbox One had 500,000 pre-orders while the DRM, online necessity, and Kinect dependency were all in place. No frickin' way in hell. Stop pulling numbers out of the void to make up B.S. like that. They barely have 500K pre-orders now, and if they had 500K pre-orders then then they'd never have reversed the policies.

Wow, I've seen some ridiculous stuff on this site, but that's right up there.

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NegativeCreep4273888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

As an Xbox 360 owner myself, I dont believe Microsoft deserves any brownie points for wising up to the situation and changing course just to save their own a$$es. Money talks. They didn't listen to "consumer feedback" they listened to the preorder sales and it didnt sound good to them. No credit deserved.

Plus these changes are only being amended by a simple patch download that is required at launch. If Microsoft can disable the unpopular features so easily, whose to say they cannot re-enable same features just as easily in the future? I'm going to wait a good while before considering the Xbox One.

n4rc3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

Customer opinion IS their preorder... are people emailing microsoft to let them know how they feel? (ok probably...lol)

and you cant... just like you cant rely on sony to not change stuff post-release... both companies have been known to do it..

customer opinion (or as you pointed out, their money) will dictate ALL policies on both platforms.

DragonKnight3888d ago

@NegativeCreep427: "If Microsoft can disable the unpopular features so easily, whose to say they cannot re-enable same features just as easily in the future?"

They will. Phil Spencer has gone on record saying that MS will still believe in the original vision and move forward on that belief. You can count on the DRM returning.

@n4rc: "Customer opinion IS their preorder... are people emailing microsoft to let them know how they feel? (ok probably...lol)"

Umm, you understand that there was huge online backlash BEFORE pre-orders were open for the Xbox One right? Pre-orders didn't start until after E3 and people were outraged before and during E3. MS listened to the Jimmy Fallon show that showed them that the mainstream audience that they really care about, the ones that question nothing, were just as unhappy as the core audience. MS do not care about the core audience until that audience gets the casuals on their side.

"and you cant... just like you cant rely on sony to not change stuff post-release... both companies have been known to do it.."

Changing stuff isn't the same as reinstating stuff. Don't try to lump Sony into MS' B.S.

Gridloc3888d ago

I'm in total agreement that Microsoft is actively listening to consumers, BUT...who have they been listening to for the past 3 years? People constantly asking for new exclusives and what do we get, Kinect this and better with Kinect that. They have always heavily relied on third party and timed exclusive content. If you haven't noticed no one in Microsoft Studios is working on anything 360 besides Kinect crap if at all. So yeah, their listening...just not to us gamers.

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Godlovesgamers3888d ago

"The Xbox One and PS4: When did gamers stop caring about video games?"

The minute Microsoft thought it was above caring about protecting their customers' rights and privacy. Which was right after we all learned about PRISM and Microsofts MANY ties to the NSA. So you see, M$ isn't as blameless as your headline would indicate.

This is all M$ own doing, not gamers. M$ knowingly or unknowingly turned this into an issue over consumer rights/freedoms/privacy and so it's logical that when something as important as your personal right to privacy is on the line, the people are going to back the system that has puts their concerns/interests and in this case "rights", first.

If this whole debacle with M$ didn't happen, we would still see the idiotic perpetuation of fanboyism and the dreaded and immature 'console wars'. This of course is another symptom of when gamers stopped caring about games, that and when it became en vogue to check your preferred console manufacturer's sales #'s and stock prices and listen to anything that Michael Pachter has to say.

IcicleTrepan3888d ago

Get a mental health check lately?

Godlovesgamers3888d ago

Typical response of the uninformed. "That's a thought that bothers me so the person who said it must be crazy".

Do a little research before you go shooting off at the mouth.

Izzy4083887d ago

Have you ever considered taking Thorazine?

rainslacker3887d ago

Funny how not a single reply to your comment actually argues against your comment. Guess they're saying you might be crazy, but hell, you are probably right, since I've never known a fan boy to not come back with some retort if there was a glimmer of a flaw in an argument.

Ironically, my comment does not address your comment either.:)

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captain_slow823888d ago

thats easy when MS got a foothold :P

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bub163888d ago

I never stopped caring about video games, Sony holds the best exclusives, i'm no fanboy but i know what i prefer and Sony are offering it

vividi3888d ago

Last of Us at this time speak for it self

BG115793888d ago

I second that with Dragon Crown!

Izzy4083887d ago

The Last of Us is the only PS exclusive that I would consider one of the best in general. The rest of the PS exclusives couldn't care less. So it all comes down to a matter of opinion.

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Yoko Taro Passes Respect; Says Stellar Blade Is "Much Better" Than Nier: Automata

Stellar Blade's creative director, Hyung Tae Kim, has also claimed that the game is deeply inspired by Nier: Automata.

shadowhaxor6h ago

I feel like Yoko is downgrading Automata because he has expressed multiple times he'd like to revisit the universe, but Squenix hasn't been keen about it. We know he loves 2B and would love to take her out for another spin, so maybe this is how he gets the company to think about it.

gold_drake5h ago

u do realise that Square made Nier a franchise after Automata right?

Taro is downplaying it cause hes not a snob like most of the directors that think their games are gods gifts to the human race.

he said the same thing when being interviewed during the development of Automata too, that he couldnt have done it without the devs.

hes just a humble guy rly.

shadowhaxor4h ago

I mean, Neir existed before Automata with both OG Niers and Drakenguard. I don't count NieR Replicant, since it's a remake of the OG games. Sure, we have Reincarnation, which is still stuck on mobile devices (quite a damned shame). I just remember Taro saying he'd love to revisit Automata if Square Enix lets him. I do recall there was supposed to be a sequel to Automata, but it wasn't confirmed and I'd imagine it was just for Reincarnation.

Enjoy Taro, he seems like a cool guy, who loves the ladies and is humble. But damn, don't put down one of your masterpieces.

isarai44m ago

I get he's giving them some credit, but i strongly disagree based on the demo. I honestly don't think any aspect of it feels good, it's not bad, it's just kinda ok but definitely a little jank. Also the souls like formula it is adopting does not help it imo. I was looking forward to this for years, now im just kinda let down honestly 🫤

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Dragon Ball FighterZ's Rollback Update Was Too Little Too Late

Daniyal from eXputer: "Dragon Ball FighterZ was so close to a revival but ineffective communication and a dubious launch of an anticipated update botched that hope."