Xbox One To Have A Similar Solution to huMA – Xbox One Dev

PS4 features better performance? Not so fast there.

[Prcko]

great news

[ape007]

I have never ever seen a more fierce competition in my entire life

sony and ms, hats off

[CRAIG667]

Very true, while fanboys are running around saying Sony is fail/Microsoft is fail, the truth is everybody wins, that includes us gamers...

[mcstorm]

I agree and this is why I have said for a long time on here the gaming industry needs at lest 3 companys making consoles and at this moment in time I don't think there are any better 3 than Nintendo Sony and Microsoft as they all offer something different but they are all trying to out do each other to. This is also part of the reason I think the WiiU, Xbox one and PS4 sales will be close between the 3 come then end of this next gen.

[nukeitall]

@mcstorm:

I agree that competition is great for everybody, but Nintendo at this stage isn't a real competitor to Sony or MS. They are still set in their ways.

I think we could use another major console maker that isn't cheap android like devices. Problem is, unless you are already in the market, almost no-one has the money to start competing in this business.

Valve is one of the few that is correctly placed in the industry, but I doubt they have the funds or even the expertise. Most likely it would be a PC in a smaller box with far minor investment.

[Gazondaily]

@Craig

EXACTLY!

Thus competition is so fierce and look how the industry has changed already with more disclosures, more transparency and greater efforts, especially on the part of Microsoft, to engage with their community when compared to a few months earlier

[redwin]

I love this competition, because of it no matter what I choose its going to be great. But I already made up my mind. I'm going for performance and features, uh and games. Which do you think that is ?

[LoveOfTheGame]

^^
Well features go to Xbox, performance to PS, and games are subjective.

So OUYA?

[rainslacker]

I love the competition. The fan boys I could do without.

[extermin8or]

Well features is actually looking pretty even (cable box required for xb1-only relevant in usa atm, plus sony have deals with virgin media for broadband etc over here if a virgin media tv app doesnt appear... I'll be shocked), performance is probably ps4, games... this is a hard one because atm xb1 has more AAA titles however going from history AND from what studios like naughty dog and santa monica put out...and we know will have games out/announced within next year or so. Hmm however I'm guessing he's going with either ps4 or it was a trick question amd he's boderline trolling and is actually buying a ne gaming PC :p which ofc loses him access to all the exclusive games...

[CrimsonStar]

Competition is good for all MS and Sony compete , we benefit tremendously from it . I hope Sony and MS both do very well next gen so when the next one comes around it will be even better .

[n4rc]

"He also noted that he couldn’t find a source where AMD’s senior product marketing manager Marc Diana stated that the PS4 would have hUMA and the Xbox One wouldn’t."

me either... a playstation fansite came to that conclusion it seems..

AMD making both chips made this claim pretty unrealistic..

[MasterCornholio]

"a playstation fansite came to that conclusion it seems"

Small correction.

That would be a German IT magazine called Heise.

http://www.heise.de/newstic...

Edit: Well i dont know why he didnt mention the XBOX but he said the PS4 would have it. Also theres a part of the article which states

The playstation fansite run by "Sony fanboys" just translated it.

" didnt see anywhere where he said xbox didnt have it"

I think this is the part that caused people to say that.

"Behind the scenes c't could also capture developers unofficial voices that see the 3D performance of the Playstation 4 very far from that of the Xbox One."

And if this is true then for some reason the PS4 is able to render 3d graphics better than the XBOX One which is probably due to huma which is mentioned in the article.

Anyways i cant wait to see the comparison between multiplats to resolve this issue once and for all.

[n4rc]

i read the translation... didnt see anywhere where he said xbox didnt have it..

the only place that was mentioned was the headline and then goes on to list the PR about the tech.. "increased performance" was not in reference to the ps4 but to the AMD tech itself over its competitors

[MasterCornholio]

" "increased performance" was not in reference to the ps4 but to the AMD tech itself over its competitors"

No one really knows since the article is so badly translated.

Something is extremely fishy though especially about the XBOX Ones hardware.

Edit: Now that i think about it i dont think either console has that technology.

[joeorc]

here is the direct Quote:

AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD.

http://www.fudzilla.com/hom...

[BallsEye]

I am yet to see any game that shows the amazing power of ps4. For now XO wins cause they show, sony just talks. People already forgot how sony cheated with KZ2.

[Sarxblade]

Again Sony elite fanboys were going rabid on another rumor. I knew something didn't add up, but Sony fanboys were posting that huge huma advantage all over the place. It's gonna be sad for those fanboys that still believe ps4 is 50% more powerful then Xbox One, they well be very disappointed if they keep believing it.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Agree infact MS coherency solution also means
MS is fully designed the solution with help of AMD
instead of just pure Off the self Produced by AMD --> PS4

AMD wont said a thing because they think it is not important
we already Know PS4 garlic/onion Kabini (not full HSA) Not fully Huma.

[PinkFunk]

Frigid, you so crazy :P

[edgeofsins]

@FrigidDARKNESS

DDR5 is off the shelf? hardware for better audio and game recording is off the shelf? The processor quoted as having “a large number of modifications.” is off the shelf? I'm gonna go build me a PS4 then.

@Sarxblade

The PS4 has a modified processor. That is why it has 50% more raw power. That doesn't include that it has dedicated hardware for audio processing and to handle recording game footage. That means less load on the processor. It also has wider buses for more data transfer at a time.

[rainslacker]

Odd that you would change your tone Frigid. Aren't you the one that for the past month insisted that MS had HSA? You knew it for a fact. Now it's, "Well, MS has a custom solution designed in tandem with AMD that renders HSA moot".

Also, off the shelf implies that this chip is available on the shelf, which it's not. It's not set to release until next year.

One last thing, it's been widely reported by both Sony and AMD itself that Sony customized the chip to a great degree in order to achieve the results it wants. They did this in conjunction with AMD, and AMD even said that Sony made an "interesting choice" when it came to that customization. No one knows what that choice is to my knowledge. Perhaps since you seem to be an expert in what these APU's provide, you could enlighten us with detailed specs on both.

[Jury]

It's detailed on gaf. The Sony site got it from there and brought it to ng4 I think.

[HiddenMission]

You do realize Reddit was the site MS got busted on the other month for using reputation management on which they would hire companies to go to sites and create posts, comments and uptick pro XB1 related content and then down play pro PS4 posts/comments.

So it it's kind of funny that a MS Dev working on XBOXONE just happened to see that the XBOXONE has a feature now that nobody knew of and then turns around and says that PS4 doesn't have this feature (in a different way of course).

You follow me...

“Not only in-house; they’re also dishing out the big bucks for some pretty high-profile marketing firms to do the work for them. Reddit will absolutely be a part of that strategy, and the couple of guys I saw were probably just the tip of the iceberg.”

Link below:
http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-...

Here is NeoGaf post with a series of links that support that PS4 also sports the hUMA...so yeah do some research before you post and all agreeing with you are blind sheep fanboys...just saying because you spoke without looking 1st...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Gozer]

If you are quoting NeoGaf, you might as well be quoting sony headquarters. NeoGaf is highly sony biased.

[HiddenMission]

@Gozer

Actually if you clicked the links you would see that they provided sources that weren't other NeoGaf posts they were from all over the industry.

Not sure if you are aware but NeoGaf is mainly people from the industry so not just Sony employees...which would make them impartial.

I also saw some of your comments above and it's clear that you yourself are biased in favor of MS...pots shouldn't call kettles black if you know what I mean.

[joeorc]

@Gozer

"
If you are quoting NeoGaf, you might as well be quoting sony headquarters. NeoGaf is highly sony biased."

that is sony biased, no this one, no that one over there. lmao

omfg, THIS IS SO TIRESOME, THIS IS getting pretty funny, ITS LIKE THIS IS NOW SAID ABOUT EVERY FREAKING GAMING WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET. its now a meme of itself. Gawd.

[quenomamen]

Exactly, hmmm lets see, PS4 has a AMD guy talking about it and on the MS side you got some Dev going " ooh yea, X1 also got one of them that there things too !

Again unless I hear a AMD guy coming out saying the X1 had something similiar built in then I'm calling bullshit. Oh and just cuz AMD is building both console's hardware that doesnt mean they are the exact same thing.

[XboxFun]

Funny when a dev talks about PS4 and it's advantages..

N4Sony: YES! WE LOVE PS4 and THIS DEV

But when a dev talks about Xbox One and it's advantages:

N4Sony: We don't believe you! MS paid for this dev to say it.

But then again this HUMA that no one was mentioning or even cared about before is now the new RAM/Indie/Headphones/Kinect required ammo that sony fanboys need to combat the Xbox One.

I can't wait until this is crossed off the list just to see what else you guys can come up with.

[JackStraw]

@gozer it appears anywhere on the internet that isn't an xbox forum is sony biased/fanboys. couldn't POSSIBLY be that people just want the console over the xbox one, huh?

[Animal Mutha 76]

All this BS willy waving will be put to rest once digital foundry or LOT or Ars Technica get a hold of these bad boys and rip them to pieces.

Even then it will be the software that really shifts the units.

People will still no doubt enjoy arguing over any little detail otherwise N4G won't earn any advertising revenue!

[sobotz]

DF? you mean that site that have been saying all of that PS4 RAM's drama?

[Animal Mutha 76]

Yes.

Sure they don't always get it right but then who does when reporting from external unverified sources? On the whole I find them to be trustworthy in the vast majority of their reporting or speculation.

[starchild]

Digital Foundry have been extremely reliable over the years. That fanboys want to tear them apart for simply reporting what they were told is just sad.

[tuglu_pati]

@sobotz

If it wasn't for them people would still think PS4 uses 7-8 GB of ram for gaming and that is not the case.

[rainslacker]

It'll always be the software that shifts the units. 99% of the people out there couldn't give a rat's ass over the specs. Long term it could matter, but history says otherwise.

[marloc_x]

So essentially, just pick the case you want.

[andibandit]

and yet people couldnt stop celegrating in this thread

http://n4g.com/news/1337691...

[sobotz]

That's Sony fanboys for you, They've all been saying that free FIFA is a delusional too.

[ZHZ90]

PS4 + Fifa is cheaper than Xbox One with free Fifa.

[sobotz]

^Irrelevant. Your opinion doesn't apply to my statement

[DrRobotnik]

Free FIFA is no delusion. It's just only available to Europe pre-orders. And since Microsoft Knocked down its release countries from 32 to 12, alot of people feel duped.So just UK and Germany get free FIFA while the rest of Europe can still play 360.

[matgrowcott]

@ZHZ90

How about PS4+Fifa+PS Eye?

Let's at least compare product to product here.

[ZHZ90]

@matgrowcatt, nice try but how about PSN Card and Xbox Gold Memebership btw not every gamer gives a crap about motion controls.

@sobotz, oh ok I get what you mean. You mean people say Xbox One with free Fifa is imagination but what they said later was proven false if that what meant so ok.

[matgrowcott]

"nice try but how about PSN Card and Xbox Gold Memebership btw not every gamer gives a crap about motion controls."

What difference do either of those things make? We're talking about straight up cost. You can't say "lol, PS4 is still cheaper even with FIFA" if you're not taking into account everything you get. That's ridiculous.

If you have to omit things to make a point, maybe that point isn't worth making.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

PS4 has HuMA
Xbox does not

That is a significant advantage for PS4.Judging by this comment and all your comments actually, this just kills you doesn't it? Better luck next gen.

[andibandit]

Huma is developed by AMD

and judging by your comments, this article is tormeting you to no end.

better luck in the next xbox article.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Yes it is developed by AMD.Bravo!

It is also only possible on PS4
And not on Xbox, due to the little esram bottleneck.

Confirming, PS4 is much more powerful then xbox.How does that make you feel?

I'm sure you'll let us all know, as you cry about the big bad sony fanboys in the next PS article.

[andibandit]

The DDR3 on the box
is going to be running hUMA, if yo're going to make a huge deal about one of the GPU/CPU having acces to a private cache of ESRAM, then good for you.

the whole point is being able to hand over a pointer from GPU memory to CPU memory and vice versa, eliminating having to copy the entire memory from GPU memory to CPU memory or vice versa.

The point is NOT that: They share memory and one cant have access to some sort of memory that the other does not....

I suggest you quit your job at the WalMart check out and study some computer science, since you talk alot but know so little.

[CrimsonStar]

Go home Day Z you're drunk.

[ArmrdChaos]

"I'm sure you'll let us all know, as you cry about the big bad sony fanboys in the next PS article."

Neither of the words "big" or "bad" spring to mind when describing the N4G psychosis. Now PATHETIC is a pretty good description for those who require an internet forum to feel good about themselves.

[rainslacker]

And now people on the other side can't stop celebrating this one. What's your point?

@Dayz

The ESRam has little to do with huma. The ESRam can be bypassed, and in many cases it will be anyways. ESRam exists for things to be stored in a cache that are needed for quick access, not for things that are randomly accessed, unless that data is used for storing information required to execute a specific process. Either way, ESRam is meaningless in this debate. In the case of huma, anything that would use the techniques for speeding up data access would not be using the ESRam, although it could. Basically, in programming, the answer is always, "It depends".

[DrRobotnik]

"something similar to huMA"...so, it doesn't have huMA but something similar to it. So what is it? DDR3 is something similar to GDDR5, its just that one is faster.

[stuna1]

I always thought different, meant not the same! But what do I know? I know numbers don't lie, and even though many say that on paper the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox 1. So in real world that may not be totally accurate, meaning it could go either way.

I would think that this would hold true for the Xbox 1, considering it's known to be the one with weaker specs on paper.

[DrRobotnik]

True, it will come down to the devs and how they utilize each one to the fullest.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

So, this xbox dev, posting on reddit, had no idea what Huma was up until today.But apparently, it doesn't matter because xbox (with no concept of how) already works the same way.

Haha.

[pyramidshead]

yeah was just reading the neogaf thread and they're questioning his 'dev' status if he didn't even know what hUMA was the start off with.

[tuglu_pati]

Of course they were questioning his dev status, there are as many Sony enthusiast there as here in N4g

[starchild]

Neogaf is a joke site filled with raging fanboys who think they are special for being on the "gaf". lol

[sobotz]

There IS a concept

Quote from Reddit:
"The way I understand it is that in addition to having unified memory access (shared memory between CPU and GPU), which allows the GPU to read CPU memory, it is also a coherent cache system. To quote Ars, "CPU and GPU will always see a consistent view of data in memory. If one processor makes a change then the other processor will see that changed data, even if the old value was being cached."

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Oh, so that's why you were already on my ignore list.You're a dummy!

That quote is how Huma works.He didn't say how this magical huma-esque technique works on xbox.This was his insightful comment.

"I remember reading something on this when I got my first alpha kit. I pulled up a couple of our internal white papers and it's pretty clear that this was the exact implementation in the Xbox One's memory system"

Isn't that cute? The day Huma new breaks, xbox magically has something similar, somehow.

[andibandit]

@DayZ
whats magical about it, it's being developed by AMD?.

The only thing magical about it is that someone made it to be a PS4 only feature....

[thehitman]

I dont see how the xbox has something similar if it uses esram where there is a bridge between the CPU and the GPU. Part of Huma is that there is no copying of data between the two and they both see the same thing always and can use the same resources with no delay at all. I think this dev has no idea what they are talking about and the fact they he " just remembers some white papers about smth" and he cant go into detail about how the system works shows his credibility about the matter.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Great contribution Bandit.Always enjoy your well thought out comments.

[Angeljuice]

Xb1 doesn't have hUMA, it's just arguing semantics over the definition of hUMA to convince the clueless it does.

If you look at my previous posts, I have been talking about hUMA being integrated into PlayStation hardware since March, how can I know more about this technology than this supposed "dev".

[DragonKnight]

All I have to say about this xbox dev is...

http://cdn.meme.li/i/oa869....

[joeorc]

@DayZ

EXACTLY THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF hUMA.

AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD.

http://www.fudzilla.com/hom...

[Cmk0121]

FOR those hung on specs realize the wii won last gen, get it straight folks a combination of content, online service, and hardware wins these wars not just hardware.

[RytGear]

Then its a good thing the PS4 has all three then.

[True_Samurai]

So does the X1. Content, Apps, Games, TV, online, and hardware

[DARK WITNESS]

depends what category of winning you are talking about.

The wii won the drunken party games console choice and sold a very large number of millions to a group of people who played on it once or twice and then mothballed it.

The magnitude of the wii's success is matched only by the monumental nose dive it took in sales once that crowd of drunken party game players got tiered of it.

It's crowning moment was giving birth to the Wii-U dead in the water. Wii won something but it was a short lived victory.

[Bundi]

Where is Gribble now?

[TemplarDante]

DAMAGE
CONTROL
lol. yeah yeah, MS. I believe you.. like you told Phil at Gamescom to say you love us gamers.

[gaelic_laoch]

Only option left for M$ is to paint speed strips on the Xbone stick on a huge over-sized rear spoiler and attach a noisy exhaust!

The boy racer of consoles! Vrooom vrom vrooommm cough cough cough!

[sonicjam]

Sony fan boy this Xbox fan boy that... Shut up! -.- On paper the PS4 specs is 50% stronger. But I believe both consoles are gonna have great games. Games on what ever system you buy you're gonna love.

[MasterCornholio]

One console will always be more powerful than the other. Its impossible that the two are exactly the same when it comes to rendering graphics. However, both will have great games and both will be true next gen systems unlike Nintendo with the Wii U.

This is something that all future XBOX One and PS4 owners should be happy about whether your playing Ryse on the One or Killzone on the Four you will have an amazing time with the systems.

Do i wish the PS4 to be the most powerful console? Yes i do because the franchises that i enjoy the most are on Sonys platform. But if it turns out to be weaker than the XBOX One i wont really complain because i will be able to enjoy the same games (minus exclusives) as XBOX One owners.

[DrRobotnik]

Every time xbox1 tries to counters something about PS4 it reminds me of something...something from my past...wait a sec!

[Dobgamers]

Good to know!

[Nik_P757]

I'm gonna go ahead and listen to the people that actually made there tech as opposed to the random X1 dev that. That being said I don't know why there is such a big deal about this being made. The PS4 is more powerful, end of story. Now let's just wait for the games coming to each console.

[MasterCornholio]

"I'm gonna go ahead and listen to the people that actually made there tech "

I agree with you that out of all the developers, news reporters and fanboys the ones who will know most about the APUs in the PS4 and the XBOX One are AMD themselves.

AMDs word >>>>>>>&g t;>>>>> Anyone elses and this includes Mark Cerney and Don Mattrick (or whoever is in charge of the XBOX now)

[Nik_P757]

Yeah, AMD is the most neutral source we will ever get when it comes down to it. The have no reason to lean left or right because they've already got there money from both. I think we can put the "What is more Powerful" debate to the side officially now.

[Niv]

Cerny talked of this back door to the gpu at 20GB/s for cpu to read. It's for compute and exclusive technology for Playstation 4.

[TheOneEyedHound]

PR stunt? I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox One blew up and burned your house on day "One".

I don't think he knows what he is talking about TBH.

[vigilante_man]

This article, as short as it is, does not really clarify one way or the other.

Sony have said PS4 is the most powerful gaming console ever and you will not hear Microsoft deny that.

The questions are just how much more powerful and in what areas. We will all know by the end of 2015 when most developers will of released at least one game each.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Keep in mind the x1 is fully custom design. Whereas its the ps4 relies on off the shelf pc components and a weaker CPU AMD Kabini that is not fully HSA. With this there is no way the ps4 is Huma at all.

[pyramidshead]

Wouldn't be a tech spec thread without the customary Frigiddarkness comment ;)

[ziggurcat]

"Wouldn't be a tech spec thread without the customary delusional Frigiddarkness comment ;)"

fixed.

[Clarence]

It hurts you that the PS4 is more powerful and cheaper.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Good gosh you folks from the other side still believe in that 50% more powerful BS. If the ps4 is 50% more powerful why Sony and its PR team preaching it everyday. The ps4 has an advantage in raw power but it will never be achieved with off the shelf pc componenents and bottle necks. Sony throws out a spec sheet and you guys grab it and parade around with it without knowing anything about its technology. A guy throws puts out a false article on ps4 being Huma you people grab it celebrae without a clue as to what makes the product Huma.

[edgeofsins]

@FrigidDARKNESS

Everything has bottlenecks. On a console you can much more easily work around them. If the CPU is a bottleneck then you can put more onto the GPU and vice versa. PS3 had better graphic capabilities because of this. The GPU was it's bottleneck and by many considered worse then the 360 GPU, but the CPU was more powerful and versatile then the 360 CPU. The CPU could actually produce decent graphics so some games took advantage of this and freed space off the GPU. The PS4 offloads a lot of processing onto other chips to free up the CPU. The GPU is much more powerful and so is the RAM as well as the fact they have wider buses for higher data transfer at a time. You don't even know why it is more powerful, because it uses heavily modified parts, far less off-the-shelf then X1 parts. It also requires less power and runs cooler as is then the X1 despite much more intricate hardware with higher performance. The only reason it is off-the-shelf is because the PS4 is a shelf product. The hardware inside is exclusive to the PS4 and completely designed around itself.

[Clarence]

Good god u believe that cloud B$. Hilarious! It's funny that alot of developers and even AMD are stating which console is more powerful but you think it's just Sony PR.

[Alvidta]

You fanboys make me laugh, enjoy what you go for, in the end it's not going to matter which is better, but hey whatever makes you drizzle up sony's backside right.

[Clarence]

@alvidta

How many accounts have you made up. I happen to have had a 360. I discovered mass effect on it. I also had every gears except the last one. I purchased the Wii for Zelda.

I'm a fan of gaming and M$ tried to $h!t on the gamers. Now their releasing a overpriced cable box attachment that happens to play games.

You see M$ has ended up in last place with every console they have released. So now they figure if they can get the TV consumers they have will finally be able to beat Sony and Nintendo.

Not going to happen.

[joeorc]

@FrigidDARKNESS

"With this there is no way the ps4 is Huma at all."

Microsoft didn’t get the joke!

AMD's Senior Product Marketing Manager Marc Diana said that the PS4 had shipped with a sense of Huma [Heterogeneous Uniform Memory Access] from AMD.

http://www.fudzilla.com/hom...

LMAO

[ziggurcat]

you are so far beyond delusional, i feel really sorry for you.

1. PS4 has huma, that's been confirmed by someone at AMD (Marc Diana). they were forced to retract the statement, but it's a pointless retraction since the cat had already been let out of the bag.

2. care to provide proof that PS4 has "off the shelf" PC components?

3. it's a fact that the PS4 is 50% more powerful. all you need to look at are the tech specs.

[Metfanant]

Fridgid, do you need me to expose your lack of technical understanding yet again?...this is fun for me...so lets go..

1. the Xbone is no more "fully custom" than the PS4
2. the PS4 does not rely on "off the shelf" parts...

i beg you to find me a part/model/sku for the PS4's APU...i BEG you...do you even bother to read any sort of ACTUAL technical stuff before you make things up?

3. you don't even understand what youre trying to say...BOTH the Xbone and PS4 have APU's based on Kabini...because they both use JAGUAR CPU cores...KABINI is not a CPU...it as an APU (CPU/GPU combined)...if the PS4's is "weaker" so is the Xbone's because they are both based on the same thing

4. if the PS4 is not fully HSA, then the Xbone cannot be either...why you ask? well...

A. The Xbone has TWO(2) memory pools...that violates rule #1 (ONE) of HSA which calls for a SINGLE (1, ONE) memory pool

B. Mark Cerny (ya know the guy that BUILT the PS4?) has already stated in MULTIPLE (more than one) interviews that the PS4 has a single, unified pool of memory that can be fully accessed by both the CPU and GPU and that cache flushes are not necessary for the CPU and GPU to read that memory...

that is the DEFINITION of hUMA...face it kiddo, the PS4 HAS hUMA..it runs a HEAVILY modified APU...its using Jaguar CPU cores (Kabini) it has unified memory (Kaveri)...and its got a GPU that blows anything AMD has EVER put on an APU out of the water...

5. you say the PS4 has a Kabini APU (well actually you said CPU because you have no idea what you're talking about but whatever)...yet Kabini has a GPU with 2(two) compute units...guess how many the PS4 has?...18 (EIGHTEEN!!!) how can you say that the PS4 has a Kabini APU, when its GPU has 9 (NINE!!!) times the compute units!? they are not even in the same league!!

6. The Xbone's memory architecture disqualifies it completely from having hUMA as it is defined by AMD...something similar may have been cooked up in regards to how the CPU/GPU access the DDR3 RAM...but the fact that the ESRAM even exists means that it cannot by definition have hUMA...

[Belking]

xbox-one is a capable console. So far i'm more than satisfied with what iv'e seen. Games look great and running at 60FPS.

[gnothe1]

Ad good as Direct x is there's something similar on open gl right?.. why can't it be the same way here...since MS use direct x sony has an alternative with open gl but since sony use huMA MS can't have an alternative? ....hmmmmm ok

[rainslacker]

Yes, anything directX can do, OpenGL is capable of doing. MS could have an alternative, but it isn't likely huma, based on what the AMD rep said. Whether that alternative is beneficial or not remains to be seen.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

So now it has something similar. .. this is the issue I have with today's fan based journalism. We get articles with an agenda more than news. Now do we believe this article or the previous article? Or is it just somewhere in the middle?

[Izzy408]

Now PS fanboys will start saying MS paid this developer to come out and lie on reddit.

[MRMagoo123]

you dont even know who this person on reddit is lol its prob another PR guy like the ones that where caught lying last time.

[Izzy408]

I rest my case.. -_-

[Clarence]

Nice try but no.

[H0RSE]

http://www.theverge.com/201...

"The AMD chips inside the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One take advantage of something called Heterogeneous Unified Memory Access (HUMA), which allows both the CPU and GPU to share the same memory pool instead of having to copy data from one before the other can use it."

[Mithan]

Ps4 is more powerful obviously, but it won't really matter in the end.

[corvusmd]

Correction: PS4 has faster RAM, but because of the PS4 architecture it is needed to be faster. If one ONLY looks at RAM Speed and GPU, of course one would think PS4 is more powerful, but this same mistake was made last gen. We need to all look at the bigger picture. XB1 is designed to run at lower latency, it's hypervisor CAN allot up to 7gb of RAM IF needed, it has esram, dedicated sound card that does not dip into RAM, and much better and more efficient Driver support that allows it to do more with less (not to mention that even at launch cloud computing will be a real thing and allow the console to relieve itself of processing burdens. I know this gets disputed, but it is factual, and no matter how small it starts off, it will grow and become even more important). Throwing out blanket statements like "PS4 is more powerful" is disingenuous and might confuse some people. The biggest proof is when we see the games in action on console.

[ziggurcat]

"The biggest proof is when we see the games in action on console."

you obviously haven't seen the jittery mess leading up to the player taking control in the ryse MP footage...

granted, the game is still in development, but having been in videogame QA for several years, and with the game/system launching in only 3 months, seeing that kind of thing this late in the development cycle is worrisome.

[corvusmd]

K Zig, have fun with that. I'm glad you spotted a glitch during development. I won't mention how PS4 keeps crashing on cross-platform games when XB1 isn't. Have fun next gen, maybe you won't be jaded the whole time and will actually enjoy games again and see that the XB1 is ALSO a great machine.

[ziggurcat]

proof PS4 cross-platform games are crashing? do i need to remind you of the BF4 presentation at E3? i'll give you one guess as to what platform that demonstration was on...

the point is, a game that late in development shouldn't have those issues.

[Nolando]

I see alot of fanboys with their foot in their mouth now...

The original AMD article was so badly translated it never directly compared PS4 to xbox one, in fact some have said the translation could have meant the xbox 360 if it was mention at all.

doesnt stop sony fanboys from commenting in droves "PS4 POWAAA BY MORE THAN 99.965832% RAAAWR!" lol, this console war gets better and better.
Xbox and playstation will be fairly similar, and both will produce awesome graphics. playstation does have some more juice in it thats about it.

[GraveLord]

...so what is it?

Reddit isn't a good source.

[Reem]

Guess a poor man's version of Huma is better than none....

[Supermax]

Killzone rocks my bad bubs up for everyone.

[corvusmd]

Why does it always seem that this is only one way....an article gets posted saying that PS4 is better/more powerful, then a day or two later it has to be retracted and corrected because it was wrong, or mis-quoted, or proven to be a lie. Fanboys complain about MS 180s (even though some weren't 180s, we just didn't know the story until MS announced it), yet even though it's not all Sony's fault, no fanboys complain about all the Sony "facts" that have to be corrected.

It's like this all the time "Sony OS only uses 1gb of Ram"...Nope. "Sony has the most powerful online service with most dedicated servers (actual machines)" ...nope, not even on the top ten list. "Sony is the most friendly indie developer" ...nope they are trying to take property rights from any indie developer that publishes on PS4. "Sony would never use DRM"...nope it was their original intention to use it on PS4, but scrapped before E3, and it's still used on Vita and Sony TV ( I know I have to source this one or PSZombies will flip out with their famous "na uh: argument http://www.tomshardware.com... ) "Timed exclusives like Titanfall and Dead Rising 3 are definitely coming to PS4" ...nope Capcom has flat out said DR3 will never be on PS4 (even though this game is published by MS) and because of PS4s inferior network, Respawn has said several times that it has no intention of ever bringing it to PS4 as things stand now. The list goes on and on....

All I'm saying is that this is like MSNBC, writers KNOWINGLY publish stuff that is wrong or flat out false to get the headline out there and create the hype...then later they backtrack it, but the damage has been done....however this always seems to go in one direction...so MS always has to play catch up and deal with false rumors that hurt them, and never help them. So far this Next Gen looks amazing, but is being ruined by fanboy trolls that just want to slander their competition rather than look at the good things that are there

[1nsomniac]

The fact that your argument contains a lot of inaccuracies & time span differences doesn't support your argument very much, if at all...

[ziggurcat]

"It's like this all the time "Sony OS only uses 1gb of Ram"...Nope."

proof?

"Sony is the most friendly indie developer" ...nope they are trying to take property rights from any indie developer that publishes on PS4."

no. that has been debunked - the dev complaining about it simply didn't understand what he was reading, and corrected himself the very next day. if the indie devs funds the game themselves, property rights remain theirs. if sony funds the game, the property rights are sony's.

"Sony would never use DRM"...nope it was their original intention to use it on PS4, but scrapped before E3"

false. there's no evidence to suggest that DRM was even considered. provide proof (and that article doesn't even say anything remotely close to them admitting that they changed their minds before E3. nice try, though). also, the vita, and sony TV has nothing to do with this argument.

"Titanfall and Dead Rising 3 are definitely coming to PS4" ...nope Capcom has flat out said DR3 will never be on PS4 (even though this game is published by MS) and because of PS4s inferior network"

please provide a linked quote referring the the PS4's "inferior network."

what false MS rumours? you mean the one about always on connection? wait, no... that turned out to be true... how about the one about kinect needing to be plugged in in order for the console to function? wait, no... that turned out to be true, too... oh! i got it! the DRM rumour? ****... that *also* ended up being true... okay... the rumoured weaker specs, then? *looks at specs for both systems* no, they actually are weaker... no huma on xbone? fina... damnit, no, that's also been confirmed.

[Metfanant]

so a "developer" has never even heard of hUMA...but i have...yeah ok...

[1nsomniac]

So some random guy on Redit claims to be a dev - but doesn't say who for.

Then claims XBone doesn't have hUMA but it has something exactly the same - but doesn't know what it is.

Is this some kind of test?? do the people who believe it have to queue up in line to jump off a cliff by request or something?

[JohnS1313]

Let me guess. The Xbone's similar solution is the cloud. Bwahaha. The cloud.

[kewlkat007]

90% of fanboys on this couldn't explain to you how to take advantage of hHUMA and 90% of the public don't know or ever heard of it....

The average gamer will choose a console not based on meager spec sheets.

What is everyone beating their chest about and measuring their D!#ks over...

[kingPoS]

From what I understand DX11.2 is an api that runs at or above the driver level. I may be wrong, but isn't hUMA a hardware based solution that operates below the driver level.

[SkullBlade169]

What the hell is hUMA?

[GodGinrai]

Its the new "thing" to fight over around here. speaking of which..im going to join in for fun.

Come on then you Xbots..this aint true..it cant be true..you all suck..there is no way you have hUMA too. Its just for us guys getting PS4

Come on you sony fangirls..xbox one has hUMA too. suck on this!I can have anything thats on your console and more.

OK now I have gotten that out the way..I also have no idea what UMA is..nor do I care. wake me up when the games show up. Then we can do this whole E-penis thing.

[SkullBlade169]

I just looked it up, apparently it's something that allows the GPU and CPU to share the same spaces in memory rather than having their own separate segments, so each can directly access and influence the other rather than having separate pieces of memory where things need to be copied between all the time.

Seems like something stupid to argue about in my opinion.

[GodGinrai]

@ skullblade.

So everybody was getting their panties in a twist over THAT?

cant we go back to arguing about DRM? that was more fun. And how come everybody on N4g is suddenly a major in computer science..did I miss out on the free course when I signed up to N4g?

[rainslacker]

What Skull says is true. However, it actually is an advantage as it means easier offloading of tasks, and quicker turn around on manipulating graphics data. Basically the CPU no longer needs to swap out the memory, but can just change what's needed and then the GPU can access it. It saves a step. When you think that these processors are doing this stuff thousands of times a second, it can really add up.

It's not really worth fighting about. It'll probably be a few years before we see games that truly take advantage of it. I'm inclined to believe that MS does have it's own solution, as there is always something specific to a console. Mode 7 vs Blast Processing for instance. Which was better? Does it really matter?

[Metfanant]

1.Cerny has already explained that the PS4 has hUMA...without using the name he has described the PS4 architecture and it matches with hUMA...

2. The Xbone CANNOT have hUMA because the basis of hUMA says you have ONE unified memory pool that the CPU and GPU have complete access to. AND, they can share the same memory addresses...so they don't need to copy data back and forth or re-write everything...the Xbone's esRAM is a SECOND pool of memory that the CPU and GPU do not have complete access to...

Now, the Xbone probably has something very similar when it comes to the 8gb of DDR3...bit it cannot be hUMA by definition...

[gamer2013]

My copy paste sucks but here ya go.

"we spoke to AMD and it's actually true. The AMD chips inside the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One take advantage of something called Heterogeneous Unified Memory Access (HUMA)"

http://www.theverge.com/201...

Now at least be mature about it and admit that you were wrong.

[Metfanant]

Nope, im going to stand by my original post and ill explain why...

1. link is broken, but i found the actual article (which was written in June btw)...

2. here is the funny thing...the AMD "source" used in this article is Marc Diana...who is the EXACT same source that stated on the show floor at GC that the PS4 uses hUMA and the Xbone does NOT...

here is why both are "right" AND "wrong"

3. the PS4 utilizes hUMA exactly as it is defined by AMD...ONE pool of memory

4. the Xbone uses 2 pools of memory (8gb of DDR3 32mb of ESRAM) this by the very definition of hUMA disqualifies it...

5. Now, like i said in my original post...it is very likely that in regards to the Xbone's DDR3 memory that the CPU and GPU can access the same memory addresses and that is part of hUMA...however, the existence of the ESRAM, and the fact that it is NOT accessible in the same way by the CPU/GPU means hUMA it is not...something similar? yes absolutely possible...but not hUMA by definition...

[Max-Zorin]

Lmao at these comments. Playstation and Xbox have THE worst fans EVER!

[assdan]

I find it weird that AMD would make a statement that only the PS4 would use it then. Even if they both do, the PS4 still has way more horsepower than an xbox one no matter how you cut it.

[Caleb_H]

So a single xbox one dev said it was similar and all of the sudden the ps4 is equivalent to the xb1? I think not.

[Rhythmattic]

More Huma than Huma.....

[cabbitwithscissors]

xbone fans, supporters and reputation management agents in full operation ?

[JunioRS101]

It all depends on if the X1 has a unified memory pool or not.

The X1 architects, to my knowledge, haven't mentioned such a feature when advertising their console, unlike Mark Cerny, PS4 architect, who has come out and was blatantly touting the unified memory pool capabilities as a core element of designing the PS4 hardware.

I don't doubt Microsoft has something similar or even the same, but there aren't any articles claiming the X1 has a unified memory pool that I know of.

[Thomaticus]

Its funny how these "customer reassurance " articles are generated after news (whether it was accurate or not) of ps4 being more powerful is released.