Xbox One Vs PS4: Xbox Wins Eventually

Xbox One will win the console war because it's designed to be better tomorrow than it is today.

[wishingW3L]

I don't think anybody's gonna read all that.... lol

[lastofgen]

I'm reading it right now... The digital foundry benchmark test is an especially interesting section.

Honestly, if you're not interested, then why do you even bother commenting let alone clicking the link for this submission??

[HammadTheBeast]

Digital Foundry isn't the most credible of sources now that they've falsely had "inside sources" feed them info like PS4 having 4.5 gb of ram or 7 minutes recording.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Digital Foundry's credibility is junk-bond status right now after all the jumped guns and falsified "insider sources" they've been dredging up lately, specifically Richard Leadbetter.

Here's a list of some DF articles since February.

- 4 Gig PS4 is more powerful than 8 Gig Xbox One
- "Magic holes" found in the Xbox One esRAM that gives the system a mysterious upclock.
- Only 4.5 Gigs of RAM alloted for gaming on PS4, later disproven.
- "Only seven mintues" of recording time for PS4, confirmed to be 15 minutes.

[pixelsword]

That's kind of a bad title because it puts in a person's mind that if it's going to be better tomorrow, then you shouldn't buy it today.

[badz149]

xbox wins? ok...let me see when was the last time it happened. oh yeah...they NEVER DID!

[Freedomland]

Quote from the article:

"Microsoft's victory will unfold over time because of careful planning and willingness to look to the future".

Really, with the 180 fiasco on the policies.
I think Microsoft Task Force to control the damage, has been activated. Microsoft is good at spending $$$ when it comes to brain wash the consumers and loyal fanboys with different tactics, rumors and repeating the same information like a broken record in advertisements and different articles. This circus will be over in couple of months anyways.

[Kryptix]

@Freedomland

Also once Gamescom comes in and the cloud doesn't equate to having "the equivalent of three Xbox Ones" according to Microsoft, that's when the truth unfolds that Microsoft's over exaggeration is just a way to hype up the existing blind fans to buy the console with no knowledge that the cloud isn't as powerful as they make it out to be. If the cloud can make an Xbox One three times more powerful, then what's the need for companies like AMD and Nvidia to keep working on new chips. If they can just use the cloud to amplify the existing chips to be 3 times more powerful. The cloud is actually a bunch of dedicated servers. Think about an MMO server, where new quests appear without you needing to patch your game up to get them. The same thing Infamous 2 had if you use it's online feature. Microsoft wanted all their games to be like that, that explains the always online from the past before the 180. The "persistent world" thing is being done without the word cloud. It's just a server to carry that data for you to use when you're online. There will be no graphical jump which Microsoft wanted the fans to believe in a long time ago. That "careful planning" is just a bunch of lies that slowly reveal themselves as time comes.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/54748/...

[mikeslemonade]

Original Xbox 2nd place, Xbox 360 3rd place, X1 which has less of a positive outlook than the other xboxes will not win this generation.

[n4rc]

Its still hilarious how its OK to just assume and pass it off as fact..

Or everyone that doesn't believe your assumptions is brainwashed.. And Microsoft always lies and nothing is real..

You people really are a trip.. Lol.. So delusional

[DragonKnight]

The author's opinions aren't fact. In fact we've seen them before with the original Xbox and the PS3.

"Xbox One vs PS4: Sony Wins Today, Microsoft Wins Tomorrow And Tomorrow And Tomorrow ..."

This section is about broadband. According to the author, the Xbox One will win because of it's heavy reliance on a broadband connection. A broadband connection reliance is nothing new and started with the original Xbox. The PS4 relies on a broadband connection as well and there is currently no difference between the two consoles in this regard.

This section isn't a victory for Microsoft because it's irrelevant. The author makes the claim that it will be advantageous for Microsoft because the people who don't get the functionality of the Xbox One now, will in the future.

How is this not the case with the PS4? Is the author making the claim that tv integration will be well received by the U.S. and then years later be well received by, say, European countries who just caught up? Meanwhile the PS4 will have enjoyed years of satisfied gamers.

"Xbox One vs PS4: Cloud Computing Bets On Megabits"

This is about cloud computing. Honestly, we all know that this is the new "Power of the Cell" or "blast processing" or "4D gaming at 120FPS." Cloud computing will not be what this author thinks it will be.

Just because broadband is improving doesn't automatically make cloud computing viable. Latency is a real problem, and cost will be a huge problem as well.

The Xbox One was designed for people who don't have to worry about money, and in this economy that isn't a lot of people. Cloud computing will face a lot of problems even in the future. Plus, there's nothing to suggest Sony is neither capable nor interested in cloud computing of that nature, however problematic it is.

"Xbox One vs PS4: Better Exclusives, Better Press"

Completely subjective and no indication of the future. There is literally no reason to go any further into this.

"Xbox One vs PS4: Microsoft Will Outmuscle Sony's Manufacturing And Message"

This one uses rumours as proof and ignores the fact that, while Microsoft have HAD to change their message because they were FORCED to, Sony haven't.

You can't make the claim that a company is sending out a better message because they were forced to change their stance when the consumer base wasn't buying what the company was selling... literally.

Using the gameindustry.biz rumour about Microsoft's manufacturing completely ignores what everyone said about the allocated pre-order consoles Sony sent out to retailers, which was a lot more than Microsoft sent out if you want to believe rumours.

There's also the rumour of Microsoft being behind on the Xbox One that still hasn't yet been refuted. As we can see, rumours aren't an accurate gauge for future success nor is Microsoft's deep pockets. Having deep pockets didn't stop them from dropping support of the original Xbox after only 4 years on the market.

This article is filled with more rumours and speculation than concrete analysis so in the end all that you come away with is the author saying "I think the Xbox One will win in the future, but I can't say for sure."

[MizTv]

Yeah because df has a great track record

[Boody-Bandit]

@DragonKnight

Take a bow, drop the mic and walk off the stage. The only thing missing from your response was a "Thank You & Goodnight".

[Ju]

I consider this whole article propaganda. It amazes me that he even points out all the PS4 advantages yet insists that MS wins - with things which nobody knows that even exist. Simply because sticking with facts will tell a different story. Interesting, interesting. Well, who knows, maybe MS will win. But so far they haven't won anything yet.

[gaffyh]

Not going to bother reading it, but the way I see it, the only advantage that MS has is Kinect. In terms of power, PS4 is more future proof, in terms of games PS4 will be more future proof as Sony have proven for three generations that they support their consoles for a very long time, and they have the best first party of the big 3. In terms of price, PS4 is already cheaper which means they will be able to react to any price cuts for Xbone in future. So unless Kinect becomes a major factor in the future, don't see it happening, then they have a chance to win eventually. Although even then, PS4 camera can probably do a lot of what Kinect can do.

[dedicatedtogamers]

@ DragonKnight

Y'know, your comment on the latency of cloud computing made me think...

Why do some of the Xbox loyalists here on N4G make the biggest fuss about the PS4 GDDR5 RAM's "horrible latency" (which has been disproven time and time again) and yet the latency of "teh InFiNiTe ClOuD!1!!" which is several magnitudes higher than any supposed RAM latency never seems to register with them?

[DragonKnight]

@Brutallyhonest: Well, 'Thank you and Goodnight' lol.

@dedicatedtogamers: The answer is because one argument makes the Xbox One look good and the PS4 bad, while the other makes Microsoft look like liars for promising things that aren't feasible. The question becomes "if I were an Xbox One fanboy, which argument would I support?"

[malokevi]

"Whether or not you believe it will work as advertised, Microsoft obviously does. It's a major infrastructure commitment."

That is the most important line, and has been my rational since day 1. Their word over yours, I'll take theirs, thanks.

"Inside the console, Microsoft gave two of the four 'Memory Move Engines' the capability to process zip and LZ, memory compression formats that are used in streaming data. "Microsoft has such interest in compressing data that it has dedicated silicon to the job instead of leaving it to the CPU," writes Digital Foundry."

I hadn't read that. that's pretty cool.

If you really think they re investing millions and billions of dollars into something intangible, just so that they can woo a bunch of gamers... you really are living in a fantasy world.

"Microsoft is worth approximately $243 billion and Sony about $11.5 billion. Microsoft has very, VERY deep pockets and can afford to outspend its rival if it has to. "

This is the other important factor. both consoles will be great, but I know who to place my bet on.

[Ezz2013]

yeah xbox win in what ?!!

they lost to ps2
and they lost to ps3
and now they will lose to ps4 out of the gate in both hardware and price and every place ps4 is in the pre orders lead and winning every single poll too
and both offer almost the same features

Ps4:
-better specs than xbox (GPU 30-40% more stronger,Better/Faster/more Ram)
-Free games with PSN
-have all TV features
-psn+ is as good as live
-movies, one of the best movie services available
-Records 15 minutes of game play ..xbox only 7Minutes
-Controller have touch screen
-Controller that don't need Batteries like Xbox D-Pab
-Free Party Chat unlike xbox where you have to pay for it
-Gaikai cloud streaming service
-Vita remote control feature
-Ps Camera (Which is not forced like Kinect 2.0)
-The best 1st/2nd party Support since ps1
-Ps4 is very Dev Friendly so no more lame ports
and for most part since it's the stronger console it wil be the lead system
-Multi-screen functionality
-offer both Indie and AAA support
and still much more to come
-2000 friend limit for party chat while xbox only 1000
-Cheaper by 100$ more than xbox

can't get any more clear than that

[black0o]

@ezz that's what i call OVERKILL

OT: sony on offensive here if MS loses US market it's a game over just like the 1st xboxone lol and i bet 4 or 3 years from now we may see a new xbox :P

[abzdine]

X1 will perform well but MS killed it before it comes out. Now this is how the situation is!

[Dagobert]

You mad bruh?

[black0o]

last time i checked Ps4 is future proof as well with heavy investment on GPGPU unlike MS
in terms of cloud
Gigia is where all the roads leads when it comes to play on the go on any device

Bottom line ps4 will out shine x180 within year or two

[The_Sneauxman]

honestly their heavy reliance on "The Cloud" reminds me of the HD/DVD vs. Blu-ray fiasco.. M$ always goes all in. Such a rookie mistake

[GuyManDude]

Not to mention that the Xbox One is dead in the water in both Europe and Japan. Japan wants nothing to do with Microsoft, and the XB1's price and focus on cable TV (which most of Europe doesn't use) makes the PS4 the favorite in those two regions.

They would have to slaughter the PS4 in the US, and given current pre-order info and poll statistics I just don't see that happening. Unless something significant changes the PS4 is a pretty safe bet over the XB1 globally.

[NewsForge]

For all the people that believes that MS as the power of 3 Xbox Ones in the cloud (about 3500GFLOPS) for every Xbox One is delusional. It's was clarified in this OXM article that only the CPU and HDD is tripled in the cloud and not the GPU.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/54748/...

[H0RSE]

@The_Sneauxman

But unlike the HD-DVD/Blu-ray debacle, Azure has already proven itself. Developers seem to love working with it, and it has been very profitable, with revenue topping $1 billion.

[T2]

Good point and technology is shown to evolve over time ... Sony did the right thing cramming as much hardware in as possible for fair price ... Article is stupid

[ala_767]

lol thats right

[bigfish]

I didn't bother clicking on the story,, based on the title, its written by a bunch of jealous Xbox fannies.

[SgtClutch117]

Look on youtube. See how many people make videos using the Xbox and PC. Seananners, Roosterteeth, Captain Sparklez, SmoshGames, Node, etc.

[Gamer1982]

Its all banking on cloud computing being what MS say it is and I really think its just gonna be stuff like AI etc for forza rather than real world computing purely because the amount of bandwidth needed for the stuff people are talking about would be astronomical. Plus your still held back by your internet connection which is a lost slower at sending information than hardware inside the box.

That's what this is basically trying to say PS4 is already more powerful but Xbox will win thanks to the cloud.. Its another cloud article..... The thing is as this generation proved PS3 got the rough end of the stick with 3rd party titles getting the lower quality versions even though it had the more powerful hardware yet it still not only caught the 360 it overtook it. So you really think its gonna matter?

Heres how I see the next generation going its going to be once again Sony's mega exclusives VS MS pulling out every little bit of tech they can from the cloud e.g. Forzas updating AI. Halo evolving maps etc.. Stuff that probably won't make it to 3rd partys games thanks to keeping them as level as they can on both platforms.

So Sony's will be AAA and MS will be unique and something new. So it's all about what you as a gamer prefer but Sony will have the head start this time around which makes it very interesting especially as MS still cannot gain ground on Japan and are losing ground on Europe...

[DragonKnight]

"This is not made up or fake all the concerns and bandwidth this and internet speeds and all that stuff is more BS than the capabilities of the cloud."

Sorry to say but your second hand information is inaccurate. Bandwidth and internet speeds are a definite hurdle to cloud computing. How anyone can say the speed, and amount, of the information being transferred is irrelevant B.S. is mind boggling.

[rainslacker]

Cloud computing is great for things that are not latency sensitive. I have written some things using cloud tech, even for Azure, and the MS tools for using it are quite robust and nice to use.

I would never discredit the cloud for it's capabilities, because it's been around for quite a while, and has proven itself, both in cloud format, and in private network use before that. Client/Server computing is far from new, cloud is just a bigger, and more capable form of it.

However, gaming is latency sensitive. Games run on a constant loop, updating everything 30-120 times a second. Due to the nature of latency, the cloud can not be used to increase the power of the console 3 times. At most, and I would never deny this, it can be used to give small enhancements to certain parts within the game loops sub routine. This in effect can free up processes to allow other things to work locally.

But, all of this cloud talk is mostly just PR smoke and mirrors. It's a promise that many people are going to be disappointed in when, or if, MS takes it's time to deliver on a big enough scale to make it worth while. Just looking at the Vita, it didn't take more than a month for people to be upset it didn't offer remote play on all games, or that PS1 titles weren't available at launch. Gamers are impatient assholes. This won't change. Sony will get the same thing with Gaikai.

Long term it's only going to get worse, because it seems that so many are hyping up cloud to be the biggest thing ever, and like you, have no idea what exactly is possible, or even feasible within a 10 year time frame. They take the marketing, which you readily admit has to be done quickly, and build it up in their own minds. They don't research the actual merits of the claims, which have been disputed, not just by techie websites, but developers themselves.

I'm happy you had an interesting conversation. Now instead of taking what that person said as factual proof, go do some research on your own. Come back with some solid credible links if you want to keep spewing your nonsense. Your either a really good troll, or you truly believe what you say. But I don't ever recall you being able to back things up with any kind of factual link(ie. not from MS PR dept).

[rainslacker]

Yeah, thanks for the lesson in game programming. First of all, you don't always know what's coming next. Look up subroutines and event based programming. That is what game programming is. AAA Games that would benefit from what MS is proposing are not a constant, or even a rarely changing set of variables. It is a live, highly changing environment that has to exist within a set of rules.

I will agree it's up to the developer to tap. What I've seen is that what the developers are "tapping" now is not anything that any dedicated server could do without any problem. AI is one of the places where I see it as beneficial, however what MS has shown in say Forza, is not real time AI. It's a set of variables to determine AI before runtime, or a points throughout. It is a learning AI, and it is not latency intensive. It's not much different than how say a fighting game will learn which moves you use the most.

I never once discounted that cloud could be used for certain things that you mention. You speak of building the world? You're talking about a lot of data to be sent back and forth between client and server. It is completely against your first argument. Lighting is a graphics issue. Implementations like Nvidia showed earlier this week are pretty far off for the consumer level, even by Nvidia's own admission...and their servers are designed specifically around graphics, and they are doing far more than MS in this field.

I never denied that the cloud wouldn't be beneficial. I simply said that this 3x power is a pipe dream at best, and an lie at worst. No matter how much it may be possible in theory, the bandwidth and latency will never give that much power back to the console.

As far as Gaikai. It has the same ability to do what MS is claiming. But Sony is at being upfront and saying it isn't really practical right now. Gaikai, for all intents and purposes, is built for this. It runs graphics type software. Graphics type software is very important to gaming nowadays as the CPU is not used nearly as much. Most processes in gaming just run faster on a GPU.

MS runs a generalized cloud computing platform that has the software tailored to it's users needs. The servers can do whatever a regular computer can do. So what's better for gaming? A cloud platform built around NVidia Blade graphics focused servers, or a general purpose cloud computing platform that runs hundreds of thousands of applications from thousands of clients? Azure and Gaikai are not completely different things. They are pretty much the same thing, with different implementations.

Also, both would be considered Platform as a Service. From a computing standpoint there isn't much difference, between all the "as a Service" models. It's just a different way to host and deliver the actual data/applications.

I guess basically what my argument is, is that cloud isn't really going to offer much more than what a dedicated server can provide now. It's a different way to deliver content. There is nothing wrong with that.

To end, on a personal aside between you and me, I don't have to listen to the naysayers. I can research and understand the principles behind what MS is talking about because it's what I do. Most of your comment is well spoken, but at the end you get back into this whole "poisoning" thing you did with Kinect. Sure, the fanboys aren't worth listening too most of the time, but don't take their actions as reasons to dismiss the qualified people who have dismissed the cloud. MS may have something to show that will prove us all wrong. Until then, I prefer to demand proof. When they show me something impressive, I will be impressed. Simple as that.

[SonyPS360]

So basically you're commenting for nothing and getting a load of agrees for it.

Typical N4G.

[wsoutlaw87]

I think the idea is slightly idiotic. Sony built the best hardware. Hes trying to say that the cloud computing will make it better in the future but theres nothing stopping sony from doing the same. Plus sony bought gaikai so the will in the future have the ability to streem games on the ps4 that the ps4 could never handle.

[KingTrash]

Well, there's nothing stopping Sony from creating a network as good as Xbox Live but they haven't done that so...

[Raiden]

Ok, u made a good point about PS4 gaika streaming, whatever system we bye in the end it will come down to the $ervices avaiilable. Hardcore gamers are a minority in this world, I can say that I was a hardcore gamer, but I like other things too, with this generation of gaming I found that I played less games but watch more entertainments of my choosing. I have family that live abroad and I use the Kinect to chat with them, which was better than Skype because I used one system. Do people not notice that all systems are always on, your xbox360 and PS3, what did u think that little red light on PS3 is when u turn it off or charging the xbox controller when the system is off, all systems are on even your TV. Gaming is part of entertainment it will come down too AAA exclusives first party exclusives and the best server connections the best service.

[H0RSE]

Sony's main reason for acquiring Gaikai, was for streaming, whereas MS's intentions with Azure are much more in-depth and I guess "meaningful?" for lack of better word. MS has invested a lot more time and money into their cloud system than Sony has. MS also developed their own cloud system, whereas Sony merely purchased it. MS developing their own technology that can work with other technology that is also theirs, sounds better than simply a company buying software, and changing it where necessary. MS as a whole, also has a lot more money to play with than Sony does.

[wsoutlaw87]

horse, i dont see how anything you said matters. MS buys everything. They bought a bunch of servers, thats just buying things. Cloud computing has the ability to improve the xbox theoretically. Streaming allows you to play games your console would never even dream of playing. How would you defend cloud computing as more meaningful?? You let MS's talk make you think they have some sort of magic going on but they just bought lots of servers. They also went ahead and bought some third party games so they would have some exclusives.

[H0RSE]

@wsoutlaw87

"You let MS's talk make you think they have some sort of magic going on but they just bought lots of servers. They also went ahead and bought some third party games so they would have some exclusives."

- I don't let MS talk convince me that "magic" is going happen - I let real-world convince me of the possibilities, and the results are that Azure is already an established software, and developers have already been working with it to do more than just stream games, hell to do more than just work with games at all. Gaikai lets you stream video? OnLive does/did this. Twitch.tv does this - not impressed.

My argument stems from the fact that Sony acquired cloud software, with a main focus on streaming games/video, whereas MS's Azure software, is being targeted as more of a virtual software studio for devs. Yes, it likely will be used for streaming, and Gaikai will likely be used for other operations, but I see Azure as the software where streaming is just one thing it does, not it's main focus.
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"Cloud computing has the ability to improve the xbox theoretically. Streaming allows you to play games your console would never even dream of playing. How would you defend cloud computing as more meaningful??"

-What I meant by more "meaningful" (and I stressed that this was due to lack for a better word) is that I see a cloud service that works with a game, whether it be generating content on the fly, or helping with AI, etc. as more "meaningful" than simply streaming, and I see Azure as the stronger of the 2 in this regard.

As far as the cloud goes, I see MS as the ones that will be more innovate in their application of their software, vs Sony and Gaikai, because if there's one thing I have learned it's that MS is more likely to take risks and try new things(probably because they can afford to) and Sony likes to play it safe.

This is simply an educated opinion based off information I have seen for both services, so please, don't read it as a irrefutable factual statement claiming one is better than the other. I'm not trying to get into a dick waiving contest.

[BABY-JEDI]

I read it. So many hopes placed on one title 'Titanfall'. That's it... Give me GG, Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker punch any day.. Games, games, quality of service will win this gen.... Not one exclusive.

[Retroman]

@ baby-jedi
quality of service will win this gen............. NOT ONE EXCLUSIVE

tell that to HALO fanboys they think halo 5 will save X1

[H0RSE]

I haven't heard a single thing about "fanboys" claiming Halo 5 will "save" X1 (didn't know it was in need of saving...)

I have however, heard anticipation of the next Halo game, and talks about the amount of potential MS's flagship title can have utilizing the tech of the new system...but I guess that's the same thing...

[opinska]

you mad because Xbox is winning... lol
Anyway Ps4 will have strong sales for sure too!

[DarkHeroZX]

How is Xbox winning? PS4 is stomping the X1 in pre-orders.

[Mounce]

Ain't nobody got the time for irrational and dumbfounded opinion pieces like this.

Xbox One will win inevitably....because the Original Xbox and 360 didn't get 3rd place at all. They totally are just going to MAGICALLY be the best shit ever since sliced bread because this guy says so

[avengers1978]

No they don't

[wsoutlaw87]

in the article the author actually says that "Microsoft seems to have a more dynamic 10-year plan than Sony. In addition to investment in cloud computing, Microsoft recently filed a patent for AR glasses. Obviously these are still way early in development, but it's a forward-thinking kind of accessory that isn't even on the radar for Sony." Isn't on the radar for sony??? Haha Sony has already done live demos of their ar glasses... like 2 years ago, what a journalist. "Isnt even on the radar" lol come on now, try harder next time.

[Killzoner99]

I'll save you the time of reading it. It's a fantasy piece on the Xbone overtaking the PS4.Basically a troll article so don't waste your time. Nothing here.

[showtimefolks]

just like the xbox360 won this gen and ps3 came dead last with a full year ahead start in USA and almost a year and half in Europe

oh wait

so now ps4 is priced better
better launch support
sony will deliver exclusives
psn-plus is a established service that now millions more will enjoy

so yeh xbox one will come 2nd since wiiu has decide that it will not sell

PS4 sale numbers will blow people's mind from day one, i don't think MS could have done any worst at screwing them self around E3

$399
$499

so yeh families/casuals will go for ps4 so right out of the gate xbox one has a huge $100 disadvantage and till today MS hasn't show that xbox one is worth the extra $100 bucks

[Nitrowolf2]

he says the xbox One is design to work in the future, does he really think Sony isn't doing the same? I mean look at the PS3, still living and still pumping dem GAMES!!

Sure I guess if you call TV the future of tomorrow...50 years ago.

I'm not trying to downplay the Xbox One, the reasoning in this article i am. Both Xbox One and PS4 will be design to work 10 years from now. Sure msot of america will have speeds of 100MB hopefully by 2020, but we are here and now and that won't be true for another 7 years when the next gen of consoles will most likely be coming.

I'm sure both consoles will do great, and honestly at this point I could careless now about who has more sales between Xbox One and PS4. Just as long as there's healthy competition we can expect better content from the two. It's not about who's going to fail, it's about who's going to supply us with the best experience, and as of now I guess it's completely debatable, but year's down the road will tell us.

[Saigon]

I think his statement is truly in regards to the Cloud claim. Stating that Sony may have now but their system isn't future proof as the Xbone. I understand where these claims are coming from but people are completely writing off what Sony is and may provide. Overall I think until we know what both companies are planning, I don't think articles like this should be posted. Everything is speculation until proven otherwise.

[TronEOL]

And to be honest, if MS is using the cloud to somehow magically give their console more power (lol), then can't Sony do the same thing?

Since they'll be running games of the damn thing, you think they'd be able to do whatever Microsoft decides to do since it mostly relies on internet connection and nothing else.

As for cable and all that, I can see cable companies offering apps on Smartphones and Tablets that let you watch TV on the go in the next 5 or so years (maybe sooner), so why wouldn't Sony just slap a good old "Cable TV App" onto their dashboard and call it a day? Problem solved.

[Saigon]

@TronEOL

You know, I actually would like to see this claim that MS states. As I said previously, I know it can be done, I just want to see it done to the claims that MS is making. The amount of increase that their stating is beyond normal. I think I will feel better about the claim if the statement was far less than than the, in recent 600%. If the claims were 20%-35%, I wouldn't complain.

[Gamer1982]

how can the ps4 not be as futureproof? The PS4 has more modern hardware and they both have internet and disc drives. What makes the Xbone more future proof the cloud? Erm Sony has cloud technology too.. They could easily add cloud computing to the ps4 if they so wanted but does that make it more futureproof? I don't think so as its a fad as it cannot add physical horsepower to your game it can only take off stress of minor things making little to no differnce in real world gaming. The cloud will impact however in stuff like we have already seen like the evolving AI in Forza. Thats where the future of the cloud really is and you can bet your backside Sony are also doing this they just not talking about it yet as right now thats a future selling point. They are already outselling Xbone in pre-orders so save a couple of extra big announcements for when sales start to decline to boost them again. Whats the point of letting all your eggs out of your basket at once when your winning?

[Silver360]

From article:

"Inside the console, Microsoft gave two of the four 'Memory Move Engines' the capability to process zip and LZ, memory compression formats that are used in streaming data. "Microsoft has such interest in compressing data that it has dedicated silicon to the job instead of leaving it to the CPU," writes Digital Foundry."

And as for internet speeds FIOS now offer 500Mbs/150Mbs. And that will only increase in time.

[Raiden]

Hey, this is not a direct reply to your comment, I really want to knw where are the full specs for x1, MS has never fully spoken of the specs, did they have more that one spec, because I find it strange the only think people talk about is the ram, esram

Cloud computing let me put it this was, bandwidth is key importance in data tranfer, remember people that software is king, software controls hardware the less hardware works the better the bandwidth.

[CrimsonStar]

Both consoles will be great , hell I can even see the Wii U being really awesome as well later down the road .

[Gamer1982]

Aw see you started off well then mentioned the WiiU a console that cant sell more consoles in 3 months than a Xbox 360 or Ps3 can sell in a week right now even with there so called mega hit Pikmin 3 released.

[brave27heart]

I want a PS4, so I will buy a PS4. Therefore I win.

If you want an XB1, buy an XB1. You win.

If you want all the consoles, buy all the consoles. You win.

The only "win" thats up for grabs is the consumers wants. You have a multitude of gaming options available to you. From PCs to handhelds. Buy what suits your needs and desires. Thats the only win available.

[Chevalier]

So the tail end of xbone will have some benefit , except which company is following through with support? Just look at the amazing exclusives on ps3 into the fall and where are the games on 360 this year? Somehow MS is going to follow through at some undisclosed time in the future? It is clear as day which company has the conviction to support their fans and vision of the future; SONY. MS will drop support before their idea can get any really benefit and it will be minimal at best.

[AirJohnston]

This guy lost all credibility when he said "They also have another advantage: they're freaking Microsoft."

Because apparently losing the only console gens they've competed in means they're a shoo in to win the next gen

[rainslacker]

Most people won't have 100MB speeds by 2020. Not even half the US has broadband now. Although I would assume us hardcore gamers are probably disproportionate to that statistic. Phone/cable companies just recently started getting most of the country up to current broadband speeds. I doubt they're going to want to make another investment so soon to provide gamers with higher speeds, when they can milk current lines for all they're worth until competition pushes them further. Unfortunately, in the US, there are very few companies which have the ability to lay those kinds of lines, and expect that speed to be extremely expensive for the duration of next gen. Even regular broadband is pretty pricey in 2013.

[dedicatedtogamers]

360 didn't "win" even with a year head-start, a $200 price advantage, an advantage in online, and an advantage in exclusives and superior multiplats for the first few years.

And PS3 still caught up and surpassed 360.

How is a more expensive Xbox One launching at the same time as the less-expensive PS4 magically going to beat Sony's machine?

[ape007]

MS did the impossible with the xbox 360, it ended sony's total market domination

also more games 1st and 3rd party are sold on xbox 360 which means that the extra ps3 gap (and more) is for people who bought the ps3 it as a blu ray player

in numbers ps3 might bit a little small bit ahead of xbox 360 but the real winner is the xbox 360

i agree that a 399$ ps4 is hard to compete with but u have to understand the momentum that ms has built with the xbox 360 and the possible potential of the "all in one" approach to capture the general public

in conclusion, i say that both will sell extremely well, with ps4 having a bit of edge.

[dedicatedtogamers]

I have to...understand the momentum? No. I'm sorry. Microsoft has LOST momentum, not gained it, unless you consider nabbing the ever-fickle casual audience with Kinect to be "momentum".

Now, am I saying the Xbox brand is a dud? Absolutely not. But to think that Microsoft has some sort of all-powerful brand-loyalty and brand-recognition, especially after the last months (years, actually) is beyond optimistic.

It's blind.

And in my belief, the next gen is going to be the first console generation where there are actually LESS total sales (i.e the sum total of Wii-U, PS4, and X1 is going to be significantly less than Wii + 360 + PS3) than the previous generation. All markets are on a decline. Videogames aren't immune, and I think the industry is in for a rude awakening if they think the numbers are going to keep going up, up, up.

Additionally, I think the number of multi-console owners is going to drastically decrease.

[devwan]

@dedicatedtogamers "Additionally, I think the number of multi-console owners is going to drastically decrease."

Agreed. With both major formats have subscription services to get the most from the gameplay, more people will be inclined to pick one or the other, rather than have a main machine and a secondary one for its exclusives. Then it's all down to upfront price and value. That is, unless prices really crash through the floor for both hardware and subscription.

As for Nintendo, many of us have had their machines around as a secondary unit for a while, but there's just not that much in terms of software that's compelling enough for many to justify just yet and until the Wii U's future looks more solid, most won't rush to own one.

[TronEOL]

Any momentum Microsoft gained in the first 4/5th's of the X360's lifespan is now lost. That console has been having a bad time with exclusives, or any reason to have that console exclusively in the last few years.

Then with the X1 disaster, that sealed it for most people.

Xbox1 will still do well, I can say that without a doubt in my mind. But I'm more than sure that if there are any true gamers on Xbox, they've rethought their position by now and either moved to PC, Nintendo, or Sony.

Not saying any gamers on Xbox still, or planning to buy XOne aren't true gamers. Just those are the gamers content with their gaming experience, and don't want anything more, new or different.

[AnteCash]

Only place where they will go head to head in sales is USA. Forget about rest of the world , in europe where i live x1 is a joke with all the 180s, ppl dont know what will happen later in x1 life.

[slimeybrainboy]

No console ever dominates for more than two generations.

[AirJohnston]

MS has lost pretty much all momentum since the 360. Playstation has definitely won the last 2 gens

[bobtheimpaler]

Ms have lost a lot of momentum. They hardly put out any compelling exclusives for the core these days and XBone reveal really hurt them.

My friend has multiple 360's as he enjoys having friends over and playing on his network. When I was over at his place last week, he was considering getting a PS4.

[lastofgen]

microsoft ended playstation's dominance in console gaming. Sure, the ps3 ended up out-shipping or out-selling (or whatever) the xbox 360 by a small amount (oh yeah, and this generation isn't over yet), but they made 'xbox' a house-hold name and that's something that takes some work to do.

[HammadTheBeast]

Actually Wii did that, MS just picked up the scraps in the US.

[iceman06]

According to most gamers, Sony ended it's console dominance by releasing a console that was "too expensive" too late. MS was there to fill the gap and provided a great machine. They spent billions upon billions in ads, Kinect, etc. Probably a fraction of what Sony and Nintendo spent together. Yet, they are rapidly falling out of grace. It was the core gamers that brought MS to the forefront by word of mouth and peer pressure. It might be these same core gamers that turn and run to someone else...much like many did with the PS3. It's really an exercise in futile speculation at this point. Generations are not static. They are fluid and ever-changing. If MS can adapt to that idea, along with whatever plan they have, they should be fine.

[Hicken]

If there was a company that ended PlayStation's dominance that wasn't named Sony, it'd be the current leader in units sold, Nintendo.

Kudos to MS for getting Xbox into the mind of the average person, but they're just the latest to do so. Nobody's forgotten about PlayStation, or Nintendo, and both of these names are better known for games around the world than Microsoft or Xbox.

And you're right: this gen isn't over yet. By the time it's all said and done, Sony could well sit at the top again. And while it may not be the absolute destruction of previous years, it's perfectly possible that Sony could be the first console maker to ever win three consecutive generations.

Which hints at a kind of dominance all its own, does it not?

[Wh15ky]

Iceman06

Bubble to you sir, without a doubt the most sensible comment here.

[LordHiggens]

Please Microsoft has all but abandoned the Xbox 360. Sony is still spewing out exclusives. It's over we all know Sony won this generation.

...unless you count Nintendo.

Which I don't.

[CrimsonStar]

I'll be supporting Microsoft first because of their amazing launch titles , and I imagine a lot of people will do the same .

[Cryptcuzz]

1) "Amazing launch titles": Subjective

2) You do not know the full launch titles for the Xbox One - let alone the PS4.

3) Done.

[Scatpants]

Amazing launch title. Dead Rising is the only thing that looks any good. Everything else is average looking at best.

[n4rc]

Sigh..

Your opinion that Xbox is inferior is subjective too.. Doesn't stop you does it?

People are free to pick Xbox if they choose.. This view that people must be brainwashed morons to do so just shows your arrogance..

[Aceman18]

with what they tried to pull i will not. my next purchases will be PS4 and Wii U.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Both sides just need to hush.

Both consoles aren't even out so we don't even know how its going to play out. Everyone should just sit back and chill and enjoy playing current gen games before we are graced by the next gen gods.

[aceitman]

its called preordered and ps4 is outpacing x1 by a large margin. even in the usa. worldwide belongs to sony . if u look at the traking numbers . 360 won usa but ps3 took over the world .

[jimbobbeers]

Worth noting the UK was also an exception along with the US. 360 obliterated the PS3 in the UK, and it is the second biggest gaming market in the world.

This is why the Xbox One will not fall flat on its face, US & UK will keep sales going strong alone. Admittedly the PS4 will probably sell double.

[Smoovekid]

A game console designed to be better tomorrow has to have "GAMES".

[Relientk77]

The last two console generations beg to differ.

[LordHiggens]

3 now,

PS3 will outsell 360, I think it probably has already

PS2 won hands down

PS1 won hands down.

[silkrevolver]

Yeah, but Microsoft didn't have a console competing with the PS1, so... besides that.

Yeah.

[mochachino]

For the average consumer it comes down to $500 versus $400 with more power, however visibly apparent at launch.

The first thing you do when you get a new console isn't go home, unbox, and watch TV with hand gestures. It's play new games. PS4 wins that for significantly less money.

For me, $500 gets a next-gen console with a game and a years online or just a console with no online and no game. The choice couldn't be easier.

[Max-Zorin]

Both systems will be great in their ow way. But their fans.......................... ............................... ............................... ............................... ........................

[Max-Zorin]

*own

[JunioRS101]

console wars?

ain't seen two sides fight it out like this since 'nam...

[The Meerkat]

They aren't fighting yet.

What we have now is like smack talk at a boxing weigh in.

However one of the boxers is looking a bit fat and hasn't won any fights in 3 years. He does have bigger hands and a great spin doctor but he's down on power and is living off past glories. He keeps talking about how the power of the crowd will be on his side and help make up for his lack of training but nobody's buying that BS.

[JunioRS101]

Just lol'd. Thanks for that.

[LordHiggens]

This comment has won the internet.

[BOWZER35]

Tired of the console wars. They need to come out already so we can play everything.

[zeksta]

N4G has literally turned into a fanboy war of constant comparisons of consoles, here's a suggestion.. Let the damn person guide themselves to make the right choice and purchase, it's always a matter of preference.

[Scatpants]

It's like reading the same arguments regurgitated hundreds of times.
My launch titles are better than your launch titles, RAM, Clouds, Kinect, system specs blah blah blah.

We've all read it all already. Don't waste your time typing it again.

[EXVirtual]

Really? There is no way in hell. Do I even need to explain? Xbone is terrible and it's fanboys are really really reaching.This article is reaching for something. M$' cloud wiener.

[worldwidegaming]

Just buy both. We like games right? If the price is right buy it.
Ps3 seems like a better choice. We will not know for sure until its reviewed.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Xbox one will eventually win out because its a custom full HSA console.

[GreenRanger]

A custom full NSA console, more like.

[DoesUs]

Thats terrific, it really is. I applaud your love for MS.

[CrimsonStar]

Idc who wins the console war , I only care about gamming . And so far im set with my Xbox one , and later down the road when I get my PS4 and Wii U , I'll be in even better shape .

[McScroggz]

Here's the thing, Microsoft's Azure cloud service is most definitely an investment in the future. However, it is extremely unlikely that 5, or even 10 years from now that service will offer something more than dedicated servers and some light computational offloading. The internet speeds needed for any amount of significant processing sans lag is just too high to be reasonable. What's more, given the PS4 is more powerful in several ways, I can only assume that whatever processing the Xbox One offloads to the cloud could be computed locally for the PS4. Maybe I'm wrong about the last point, but that's my thinking.

Plus, Sony does have Gakai. Sure, it's not capable as far as I know to do exactly what Azure does; but I'm sure Sony is also investing in the online capabilities that are out there. Who knows if during this generation they will offer the same things the Xbox One does, assuming they couldn't anyways. But again, even if Sony can't I just don't believe in the magic of the cloud so I don't think it really matters.

Other than the cloud, based off what we know and think we know about both consoles, Microsoft doesn't have any other advantages - generally speaking. I'm sure both consoles will be good and have their fair share of games.

So I disagree with the author. But I'm more than willing to admit I'm not an expert.

[thoract]

People just need to stop listening to this BS talk about the cloud. Microsoft keeps saying the cloud is going to make there system more powerful. What about the half of the xbox users that don't have live? How will they get the cloud power? So the people without live will have to go without the cloud power and play with weaker graphics and framerates? Why don't you xbox fans bring this question up to Microsoft. How will a person without internet or slow internet get this extra increase in cloud power.

SHOW ME THE CLOUD POWER, make me a believer MS.

[SabreFTW]

It was Microsofts intention to begin with, to have the new Xbox always online therefore access to 'the cloud' among other things. Otherwise you would have had to buy a 360.

I would be interested to know if they have came up with a new strategy to combat the loss of always online, in regards to the cloud. Anyone care to enlighten me, I don't keep up to date with new news as often as I would like.....

[mxrider2199]

This article has many facepalms....

[iceman06]

Macbeth (Act II, Scene I)
Is this a dagger which I see before me,
The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee.
I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.
Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible
To feeling as to sight? Or art thou but
A dagger of the mind, a false creation,
Proceeding from the heat-oppressed brain?

Translation---Biatch...are you for real!!?!?

Seriously, all of the speculation in the world won't make anyone right at this point. It's about as fruitless as the pursuit of power in the play...guided by the prophecies of the witches. However, if I were to compare anybody to the "tragic hero" Macbeth...hubris was on the side of one company way more than another from the start...just a thought.

[ufo8mycat]

XBOX wins eventually?

Digital Foundry :

Did you know Microsoft has never won a generation?

Did you know the PS3 came from behind and moving in front of 360 in sales, despite being out 1 year later, higher price, and a not yet fully established online at the start?

Did you know the PS3 had a much bigger & better exclusive lineup then the 360?

So now with the PS4 coming out cheaper and most likely earlier, not to mention will have a much better game lineup then the ONE will have as the years go by, and with the other stuff I said above, how on earth can you think XBOX will win eventually?

LOL
And you guys call yourselves experts?
Did Microsoft pay you guys some $$$, because thats the only thing I can think of to explain it.

[THC CELL]

Well said. I'd like to point out people are dissing the vita at the moment wait till u start playing ps4 games on the go. Just saying. Or and if a vita bundle comes. Hmmm

[Master-H]

GDDR5, that's designed for a better tomorrow imo, also the xbox 360 didnt win eventually (unless you talking US only) so what makes you think the X1 will ? when it got a bad rep from the start.
Any way i dont trust in the game industry analysts anymore since i've been introduced to the wonderful man Pachter lol also i don't believe in psychics and fortune tellers ,so let's just all put our fake crystal balls away and wait for the coming years to play out and enough of these lame articles like "The X1 will fail" , "the Xbox wins eventually" zzzzzz.

[NeoTribe]

If any console in future proof its the ps4. Better hardware means better looking games and more resources for the future. Unless kinect is the future, which I dought, they don't have much of one.

[THC CELL]

Not gunna read this but at end of the day it's going to be about games, sony has the best console developers and really it will be hard to beat them. Halo is the only amazing game I like Xbox for but that is old now. Titanfall migh. Be the next best thing but we will see

[Grindlefly]

how many more of these articles are we gonna see? Its driving me mad as its making me so impatient for next gen, but checking n4g everyday has become a sort of "guilty pleasure" lol.
For me, ps4 wins but that is because that is the choice me and all my friends have made and already have our pre orders done, but x1 is going to have plenty of fans and good games. Each to their own and hurry up next gen!!!

[Grimhammer00]

Well I'm right about this : xbone = spybox

Done. What's that? You gunna make excuses?

If ps4 was a neogeo I'd still be getting that over an xbone. It's about principle and ethics for some us.

[_FantasmA_]

Exactly what I've bene saying for the last few years. I don't care what games M$ brings, or features. The way they do business overshadows any games they have. I won't be somebody's bitch just to play some bro shooter.

[LordDhampire]

Microsoft pays to much attention to the american market, they always try to win the battle, while sonys trying to win the war

Also I think the only reason titanfall will sell decently well is because its a launch title if it came out 2 years into the life of the console no one would care, no matter how good it is mech games are not big sellers.

[thoract]

Honestly I don't think Titan Fall is going to sell that much on the xbone considering the install base is going to be 1-2 million. If anything the x360 version will outsell any other version.

[Khajiit86]

Im more worried about today for today. Tomorrow I will worry about tomorrow

[Mr_Luke]

They could have named the article "XboxOne: the console for the players of tomorrow". Too bad i'm a "today" player and i want to play today. I don't care about all the extras around (TV, social network - that i hate, but this is personal - , cameras/move controllers and whatever). I go for the games, with preferences to single player/offline multiplayer: what's better than a bunch of friends, all happy playing together without stupid devices in the hear or a crappy net (obscene services in my zone)? My favourite games have been on PS3 this gen and i hoope they continue on PS4. For now, nothing catches my attention on the XboxOne, at all. Maybe they're right, all that clouding and extra services will be great in the future and maybe that's why i could think about getting an XBOne in the next years. Or maybe not, since after releasing a console, the mother houses keep updating it with new services, functions and all of that and i guess it's going to happen the same. So we'll see, my new console (like i said in other articles, even if noone cares ;P) will be a PS4, articles and journalists can say whatever they want, i don't see another best option anyway.

[LordDhampire]

My god I just realized .... Tommorow...will be today tommorow

Mind BLOWN

[biglittlesps]

According to the article, Sony has won today and microsoft failed today but they are trying to win for tomorrow. But, sony will come with a tomorrow plan again with Gaikai and more exclusives to go even better than Microsoft plans, so again Microsoft will fail tomorrow.

[_FantasmA_]

Yeah sure and the wars on terrorism and drugs will also be won pretty soon. These articles defending the xbox keep getting more desperate and desperate. How can you even doubt Sony after M$ was handed a golden opportunity? This time there is no opportunity, no advantage, no momentum. This is Sony's generation to lose. I just hope they don't get too comfortable and instead hope they just keep bringing the games like they've been doing since 94. Were coming up on 20 years of PlayStation and they have brought so many new successful franchises with each console, the most features, and best value for the money, whereas M$ in its 12 years has only had 3 and half franchises(Fable) that have been used and abused more than a tubesock.

[DialgaMarine]

Bubble up! Just for the tubesock comment lol

But your statement was also very true. M$ has never contributed anything to the games industry. They slapped together a few already existing things here and there, built upon them ever so slightly, and then released a console brand. Teenage idiots across the world then decided they needed to get their badass gun toting alien killing fix through their system, which is why the brand still exists today.

[ZBlacktt]

The funny part is the people who approve this stuff. If you go over to the pending stories. You'll see a pattern of Xbox owners approving stories like this. Then disapproving stories that talk about Playstation wining over the XBox. I'm sure this goes both ways. But it's just funny how these same old stories that only cause fighting get posted time and time again. Yet, they all amount to nothing but wasted time and energy.

[GamingMachine]

ps4 ftw

[Funantic1]

Sony fannyboys hate to hear stuff like this. $243 billion > 11.5 billion. Plus X1 only has to sell 2000 consoles to make a million dollars. The PS4 has to sell 2500. Smh. Then I'm reading that the PS4 development is eating into Sony's financials. Then Sony is already trying to keep the vita alive.

[edgeofsins]

That would sound smart, other then the fact that far more PS4's are selling so they've actually made more money back from them.

[Funantic1]

Yeah the PS4 is leading in preorders sales. But read the article, it'll explain the rest. Wait until the X1 price drop, the release of Titanfall and eventually Illumiroom. Microsoft just has too much money...21 times more than Sony. That means way more promotion and investments. Then there's the possibility of a kinectless sku at $350-375 in the beginning of 2014. Plus X1 will be sold through cable companies. There are well over 100 million cable subscribers in the world. No need to be in denial, it's just a matter of time.

[edgeofsins]

@Funantic1

You're trying to consider it as fact that it will make more money. Stop that.

Illumiroom is kind of dead. Them just trying to get hopes up for next gen. It's nothing special anyways. It isn't simple to set up either. Also very expensive.

They aren't doing a kinectless sku as far as we know.

Or people can just get a regular cable box for free/cheaper from their provider and get a PS4. You don't know what the customer wants. Obviously the statistics show though.

It doesn't matter if they have more money. Sony still has tons of money and they pulled off spectacular advertisements before e3, during e3, and afterwards. Microsoft meanwhile has almost no advertising.

Microsoft spent $1 billion on games, right? I see almost no true exclusives or in house developments showing for that.

[GenericNameHere]

What exactly does having more financials have to do with anything? They've NEVER beaten Playstation even with all that money. Why is the Zune not beating the Xperia Z?

And of course the PS4 is going to cost a lot of money. Making a console is not free. Think sometimes. Freaking Xbox fanboys that think Xbox is the best because Microsoft has more money smh -_-

[thoract]

@funantic

I think your the only one in denial here. Really Titanfall is like the go to game for the xbot fanbase. The end all be all game of the next generation of games. If it's not Titan Fall it's Halo. Give me a break.

Do you work for MS? You seem to know all there future plans already. A price drop after a year or two, you must be joking. Maybe if they are getting there arsses kicked by Sony than you might be right.

Titanfall, Titanfall, is also going to be on other platforms.

[Funantic1]

You're mistaken. You should check out the lastest figures. The 360 outsold the PS3 but barely. The PS3 shipped more than the 360. Whether you believe that or not, which you won't because of denial, it's still amazing that the Xbox brand came out years after the PS1 and has surpassed Sony in sales. If you can't admit that then I'll compromise and say they're both equal on sales, but my point is that it's pretty amazing to come from behind. And that takes money. Read the link about the Xbox sales surpassing Sony's. I used my last bubble just for you.

http://m.gamespot.com/news/...

Plus in the beginning of the PS3's launch Sony combined both the PS2's and PS3's sales. Sony never separated the two.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInf...

[GenericNameHere]

Lol you just won't let it go! That sales report you linked to? Gamespot used JANUARY data for the PS3! Why won't you Xbox fanboys just admit that the Playstation has, AND IS, beating the Xbox 360 globally every year? And even if you won't accept it, the Xbox released A YEAR EARLY! By then, the Xbox 360 already had 8 Milion Xbox 360s sold, while the PS3 was still at 0 sold. I bet if the roles are reversed for next-gen, you fanboys are gonna be like "Oh, but the Xbone released 3 weeks AFTER the PS4! So unfair, you PS4 fanboys own N4G!! Wahh wahh!! My mommy said she's gonna buy me Titanfall, waaaaaah!"

TL;DR
Gamespot is stupid. Used old data for PS3 sales to make Xbox 360 look good. North America DOES NOT EQUAL THE FREAKING PLANET. Xbox 360 released a year early, but Xbox 360 fanboys are so dense, they can't grasp the concept and reality of the Xbox 360 releasing a year early.

[ZBlacktt]

Yes and MS fanboys hate hearing about this.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photo...

Yes, we get it. But can we all move on now? The Next Gen is coming....

[windblowsagain]

Why do they have the xbox gpu as a 7850,lol.

It's a 7790. So lose some more fps from the benchmark.

PS4 will have about a 25fps at the very least.

7790 has 16 rops only.

Article is comical.

[5eriously]

I like to wager a bet on the underdog.......

What wait, what am I saying? NOT THIS TIME AS I AM NOT that STUPID.
Ps4 offers more in general and SONY seems to be more polished in their future vision for the next gen and their cooperation with gamers and devs must be commended!

[GenericNameHere]

Wait, wait, wait! Did I just read the author say thinking about tomorrow is better than thinking about today, then go on to say the Xbone will automatically win because they have Titanfall as an exclusive?? You're talking about ONE GAME releasing NEXT YEAR. What, you think Sony wont announce a really awesome game before Titanfall comes out? You think Sony wont have ANY exclusive games at all, and because of that Titanfall will make the Xbox One the best thing on the planet? ONE GAME that releases NEXT YEAR, and it's going to be the only game gamers will have their eyes on till then -_-
If you want to bring exclusives and tomorrow, make sure you also look at yesterday. How many exclusive games did the Xbox 360 have compared to the PS3? Again, because Xbone has Titanfall as an exclusive Microsoft game on consoles, the PS4 won't counter with an exclusive of theirs?

Oh, and great analysis on the money part, Sherlock! I so agree on that, just look at Zune!! Totally a billion seller! iPhone, what's that? Some generic rip-off of the all mighty and popular Zune? And this Sony Playstation, is this a niche product? I seem to remember hearing about it from my uncle in the late 90s. Did the Microsoft Xbox destroy it when it came out? Surely, with those billions of Bill Gates bucks, Microsoft would have bought every developer on Earth, and made games only on Xbox and made it a sure trillion dollar hit! /s

[Jaqen_Hghar]

a man's sentiments exactly. A man is tired of people only saying their console's exclusives look good and saying more money=winning. Nintendo won this gen (so far) and they're the smallest of the 3.

[cabbitwithscissors]

This guy has lost his marbles. At the end of the day, the only important thing that is going to matter is the games.

Also, when people purchase something, they want instant gratification, not having the developer's promise that it will be better in the future. Plans can change and is it for sure going to be better when this guy doesn't even know what else the PS3 will also be capable of ?

Lastly, nothing electronic is going to last for 10 years. These days consoles last about 7-8 years max before people jump on to the next best thing. Stretching it to 10 is a pipe dream. Heck, if the next PS5 starts coming out in 7-8 years time, you'd think MS would fling the whole plan out the door or just stick to their 10 year xbone ?

[Stevino123]

Quantity > Quality You have Naughty Dog? Santa Monica? London? Media Molecule? Go fuck a cow.

[edgeofsins]

Sony has a large quantity of quality.

[inf3cted1]

Oh boy this title will create alot of rage.

[GodGinrai]

Too late...lol

[Agent_hitman]

Nah! ps4's gonna win!

[GodGinrai]

NO. I will win. Im the damn champ. I can beat Xbox or PS4!

mwuahahaha!

http://images6.fanpop.com/i...

[solidworm]

The ps4 will outstrip the XBONE so dramatically it will be too far behind to ever consider winning any gen.

[contradictory]

oh really..?

[Crazyeightzz]

Basically what this proves to me is that FOR NOW it is safe to bet on a PS 4 on launch day. After a couple of years when Microsoft's cloud computing is proven to be the tech of the future and not just heresay, then I will get a more improved since launch XBox One console. Since I am not DUMB or POOR enough to have to resort myself to being a fanboy of any particular company, it's a win win situation for me? Great!

[kewlkat007]

I'll come back to this article in 4 years...

Sony can't coast on its E3 win forever.

[microgenius]

a man can dream

[arbitor365]

not a chance in hell. even with an 8 million unit head start and the PS3 having a horrible launch (and a rough first 2 years), the xbox360 still couldnt manage to outsell the PS3 this gen.

how exactly is it going to outsell the PS4, which has more hype and momentum behind it than the PS3 had and doesnt seem to have any of the issues regarding launch games, online and third party support?

how well do you expect them to do without their 8 million unit, 1 year head start? in fact micosoft has been 1 step behind sony with every feature and announcement they have made with the X1 and clearly they are the ones on a time crunch (especially now that they have to reverse their DRM policy)

not to mention how the PS4 is destroying the xboxone in just about every online poll as well as amazon pre orders. there is a general consumer dissatisfaction and disdain surrounding the x1 since E3

there is absolutely no reason to think the xboxone will outsell the ps4. none whatsoever

[Crazyeightzz]

There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to think after the disparity between the PS2 and the original XBox that the 360 could go toe to toe with the PS3. There was ABSOLUTELY no reason whatsoever to think that the highest selling console this generation would be the Wii over both the PS3 and 360. None whatsoever. Jesus, fanboys really are annoying.

[arbitor365]

the point is that the xboxone has none of the advantages the xbox360 had in its initial launch. and the ps4 has none of the disadvantages the PS3 had. its not rocket science.

xbox360 initial advantages
- early launch
- 8 million head start
- cheaper price
- better online
- more third party support

ps3 initial disadvantages
- late launch
- super expensive
- very few games
- virtually no online
- major consumer dissatisfaction

none of these factors are present with the PS4 vs the xboxone. in fact, the X1 is facing many of the issues the PS3 did.

so it isnt a matter of looking at raw numbers. it is looking into the factors that led to them

[corvusmd]

Actually as it stands right now, 360 has the sales lead again...and games per console is much higher on the 360. It's also been proven that several PS3s were bought just as blu-ray players..that advantage won't exist anymore. Not to mention, most fans that had broken PS3s had to buy new ones, where as because the X360 famous RRoD issue gained so much popularity, MS extended the warranties and all those consoles were replaced for free and did not count towards console purchases.

[Hicken]

"Actually as it stands right now, 360 has the sales lead again...and games per console is much higher on the 360."

How could the 360 have the sales lead again when it's STILL being outsold worldwide on a weekly basis? And higher attach rate? Don't think so, but prove it.

"It's also been proven that several PS3s were bought just as blu-ray players.."

Prove that, too.

"Not to mention, most fans that had broken PS3s had to buy new ones, where as because the X360 famous RRoD issue gained so much popularity, MS extended the warranties and all those consoles were replaced for free and did not count towards console purchases."

And it only took MS how many years to extend the warranty?(hint: system launched in Nov 2005; extended warranty was announced July 5, 2007) Meanwhile, how many systems were replaced at the consumer's expense? (hint: reports of up to 54% of systems failing have been recorded) And the warranty was only extended for the RROD, which left out another 40% of failing system that'd still need to be re-bought out of pocket for a consumer.

[oriwan]

what are the winning condition? we are talking about two globaly entertainment companys. when we are talking about global sales sony will be always ahead. why? Because we don't have here in Europe all the fancy streaming service like netflix or hulo and no interesst in american football... and lö these tv features are one of the main selling points for xboxone! sony is just pure gaming!!! Its looking really bad for xbox one in Europe. anyway Microsoft will fight for marketshare in NA only and sony keeps pushing globaly!

[arbitor365]

i honestly think the X1 will have even less of a foreign market than the xbox360 did

[corvusmd]

Keep in mind that console ban in CHina just lifted, and the CHinese do NOT get along with the Japanese....they will be slow to get into the console war most-likely, but if MS gets the China market....good bye Sony

[joeorc]

@corvusmd

"Keep in mind that console ban in CHina just lifted, and the CHinese do NOT get along with the Japanese....they will be slow to get into the console war most-likely, but if MS gets the China market....good bye Sony"

"but if MS gets the China market....good bye Sony"

HERE LET ME SHOW YA SOMETHING:

9/8/2000

Sony to build lithium polymer battery plant in China

Sony established Sony Electronics (Wuxi) Ltd. last month with an initial investment of about $23 million. The facility in Wuxi will be the company's third polymer battery plant, following similar plants in Japan and Mexico.

http://www.eetimes.com/docu...

Sony Ericsson Builds a New Factory in China

19 June 2007

Sony Ericsson started construction of a new factory Monday in Beijing in a move to make China its global manufacturing base.

http://www.esato.com/news/s...

Sony launches Blu-ray manufacturing in China

22 January, 2009

Sony's Shanghai-based subsidiary company Shanghai Epic Music Entertainment has launched China's first Blu-ray disc manufacturing plant in the city's Song Jiang Industrial Development Zone.

http://www.screendaily.com/...

IF MICROSOFT GETS THERE FIRST RIGHT?

lmao

[wishingW3L]

the poor author wrote a 20 pages essay but all the user of N4G are just reading the tittle and commenting. ;(

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

If you seen a pile of dog poo, would the smell be enough enough to detour you or would you taste it just to be sure it is what it is? Xbro's are the tasters.

[t3rrorc3ll]

I laughed at the Microsoft worth $234b Sony worth $11.5b. Since when did that mean that Xbox division or SCE division didn't have set budget constraints?

[JeepGamer]

People who support the XB1 at this point remind me of an abused woman who is just so sure that it won't happen again.

[Enigma_2099]

Battered Gamer Syndrome?

[N2NOther]

Bandwidth caps. Look 'em up.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

@oriwan

Not to mention even North America is leaning more towards PS4 this time around. I prefer Sony but have friends and family who own 360, yet only one person I know plans to buy X1.

[corvusmd]

Well said, I agree with this article whole-heartedly. Fans will quickly discover that PS4 paper specs do not translate onto the screen. It's all about the exclusive and innovation towards the future, not just launch day (which MS has the exclusive advantage anyway)...XBL network will be leaps and bounds better than PSN which will go a long way towards adapting the systems to an ever-changing game world in the future. Most of PS4 exclusives (IMO) are tired re-hashes of games that are over-hyped anyway, or new games that don't capture my interest at all (Except the Order...that game looks awesome) All these reasons listed in the article are why I went from being certain that I would have to get both systems and be dead broke while going into E3...then realizing for the first Gen EVER I didn't need to buy a PS, because it doesn't do ANYTHING that I need from a console. If times change and they get 3 or 4 exclusives that I HAVE to have, then of course I will grab one...but that doesn't look to be anytime soon. PS4 will take a huge leap out of the gate, everyone knows this, but XB1 isn't a push over and will come back strong. MS has invested enough money into this that they won't just let it fail....betting against it is just flat out stupid. When Sony makes a profit off of the initial launch and THEN realizes that it needs to invest in cloud computing to the degree what XB1 is (except they won't have the dedicated hardware inside that frees up the system) it will be too late, because MS deep pockets will expand it even further and Sony will NEVER catch up. Illumniroom and the AR glasses will further XB1 innovation...I wouldn't be surprised to see MS buy some more exclusives or more exclusive DLC deals (COD style). Out of the two companies, stand back and look at who is more motivated...this is why PS4 fanboys (the ones that are die-hard not switching sides) are so scared and grasping for straws right now " but but but on paper the GPU is stronger"...cause if PS4 doesn't put XB1 out of business at launch, it's very likely that PS4 will get dominated in the end. In a way, getting embarrassed at E3 was the best thing that ever happened to MS...they had a great console, but they had lost sight of their PR message...the embarrassment put this in sharp relief and gave them the wake-up call they needed...good to see that they are adjusting accordingly.

[Stevino123]

We don't give a damn, we want to sit on our asses and play video games, that's why we are all here. No one cares about Kinect, or innovation, I want my new console to play my damn games and I want to have a good ass time while I do that.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Nope

On paper specs shouldn't have shown up this gen if they were going to not show up on any gen. What happened? LoU, Uncharted, and Killzone among others looked better than anything on 360. That was with Cell and apparently terrible middleware. A man doesn't see how a LARGER and EASY to use architecture could not translate into better results for PS4 this gen. Power aside Sony always brings the exclusives. MS did it for a few years but tapered off after Kinect. A man doesn't trust a company that will cut software support short and start advertising apps like they're exclusive AAA games at the halfway point of a console's lifecycle. Also PSN basically matched XBL this gen feature wise (X game chat being the exception) so imagine what Sony will do with a paywall. They already did dedicated servers last gen and Xbots said they weren't as good. Now MS has them and suddenly they're a godsend and PS will never match (even though Sony already has them...this baffles a man).

[That_Ninja_Gray_Fox]

Why do you hate playstation is what i want to know. You act like they contributed nothing to console gaming.Is is because they didn't have Halo? I mean there is no valid reason for sony to be hated on.They helped console gaming make it huge since it brought us PS1.You are just a hater.

[Chevalier]

Wait so Halo 5, , Forza 5, new kinect sports and Dead Rising 3 aren't rehashes? Lol. Sorry you guys have so much faith in Crytek and Ryse as well, when has Crytek done a blockbuster recently? I keep hearing about how it sounds interestiing story and all except Crytek couldn't write themselves out of a paper bag. Somehow Titanfall and Project Spark are going to light up the sales charts too?! I haven't heard any buzz from any of my customers to preorder Titanfall at all.

[Stevino123]

Then what happened with the PS2? Xbox did not win, these people who wrote that were on drugs or something.

[level 360]

Truth be told Sony brought the most complete/progressive games that will be historically remembered by gamers' globally not only in the present times but for many generations ahead.

Plus their huge support for indie game developers cannot be missed.

If both these fantastic traits continue, there's no denying Sony will be the gamers' choice.

**Specs nowadays really don't make for a great gaming, it's a question of who could find and get the best talent pool in putting out the best game/gaming experience that will have a long lasting effect.

[gdguide]

Cloud computing for visuals is a load of crap until the bandwidth offered increases drastically. I'm not talking an increase of 2x or even 10x. It'll have to be more than that.

Even theoretically if they can get that kind of bandwidth eventually, some will have higher speeds, some medium and some brutally slow. So would that mean that people who have slower connections would have inferior versions of a game?

I think people don't realize the amount of bandwidth / data that gets processed in a game every second. The current bandwidth even increased by say 10X still won't be enough to have a big boost to visuals.

I DO think cloud computing and processing will be a big part of things in the future, but just not now or this generation. Microsoft is throwing this trendy phrase out there to make up the fact that it's a bit meh on the spec sheet compared to the PS4. The current and foreseeable bandwidth of broadband compared to actual GPUs is almost not worth mentioning. But Microsoft mentions it to give people a false hope that there is more under the hood than there really is or ever will be this coming generation.

[ForgivenZombie]

The only advantage MS had last gen was early release and Sony's bad pricing, which they won't have this time. Sony still came back and sold more units worldwide. As for games Sony is still bringing awesome games out for PS3, what about 360? Fable Anniv. is the only game I want and I was a MS fanboy this gen, even though I had to buy four systems due to RROD, MS has terrible customer service IMO, never has the customer been right it's all about money. Now Sony has the advantage and only Sony can lose it, but, I think they're smarter than that. This gen will be close, but I think Sony wins hands down.

[bromtown]

Regarding the "Microsoft has such interest in compressing data that it has dedicated silicon to the job instead of leaving it to the CPU," statement - you mean like Sony do with the PS4's zlib decompression unit?

This is written by someone who has selectively familiarised themselves with the PS4, leaving out features so that the Xbox looks stronger than it is - just bad journalism. I don't mind an honest discussion, both have strengths and weaknesses but this is tripe.

[ZHZ90]

Actually I read it, talking about Advateges of PS4 then says X1 will win just for Cloud & Titanfall(Yet this game is also on PC, and even one game isn't enough)

[Kita2950]

Im afraid companies win in sales not articles. Preorders to greater extent reflect sales.

Sony is probably laughing at this article.They(Sony) know both consoles will sale in the first quarter but its ps4 will dominate in the following years.

[punisher99]

"Xbox One Vs PS4: Xbox Wins Eventually"

You know im still amazed that people still buy microsoft consoles after they tried screwing gamers over by taking away certain privileges. But I guess you just cant underestimate the power and the will of a fanboy.

[etownone]

Why do people keep saying Xbox 360 came in 3rd this gen?

It should be more then clear ps3 was the biggest loser this gen. Sony lost millions of customers, exclusives and money.

Ms doubles their fan base, sold the most in software, and got millions from Xbox Live.

[punisher99]

Who knows who lost more money this gen. Lets not forget about the 360's 50% failure rate. On top of already losing one Billion dollars when they decided up the RAM in the 360 at the last minute. Microsoft may made money from xbl true. But dont forget, Sony also makes money from psn as well as ps home.

[walkincarpet]

True...and the first ones to agree with will be the sony execs.....pst...not the sony fan boys. Fortunately, it seems like sony and ms are addressing some of their weaknesses with this next gen so gamers win big with both systems.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

So let a man get this straight. If one team beats another 150 to 24 in one game, then 78 to 77 the next game, they didn't win both games? A man doesn't see how that's not a win sales wise. Also the gen isn't over when the next consoles release. A man wouldn't be surprised to see PS3 get over 100m by the time it stops being produced.

To explain this further let's look at PS2. It sold 50m out of 150m post next gen launches. That's about 33% of total sales post gen. Now PS3 will have sold over 80m most likely by the time PS4 releases. It needs about 20m to cross Wii's end mark (not much more than the current total cause it's dead in the water). That's far less of a percentage than before. That would be less than 20% of total sales. It will be less than the PS2's 33% because of a longer gen but will sell a good amount considering PS3 is still $250 for the base model while PS2 was $200 by its 3rd year.

A man rests his case that PS3 can get some better financial results by gen's end and that it did WIN this gen over 360 sales wise already as well as likely catching Wii.

[ZBlacktt]

Really, BILLIONS lost in Red Ring of Death. That went on for the first 3 years of the consoles life.

[Krosis]

How about an article with a democratic title? "The Xbox One will do okay". Oh wait, flamebait articles get more hits lol

[Psychog]

My question is how can they win when Sony has the worldwide market Xbox is almost nonexistent in the Asian market and they haven't beaten Sony in Europe ...... Can Microsoft win with just the US market? I think not

[gamer2013]

XB1 = more games/better games + more functionality + far superior online>>>a few more pixels and frames. Eventually just about every skeptic or hater posting here will have an XB1.

[Groo]

after reading your post, your name suits you perfectly

[gamer2013]

Truth hurts you so much you need to resort to personal insults.

[Groo]

personal insults? is that your real name given to you at birth? If it is I'm sorry

[alleyes]

Ps4 has a nice light.

[rigbybot127]

Both are going to be great game consoles, as the last few generations have proven, but I'm going with Playstation this gen, simply because they have Naughty Dog, Sony Japan, and Sony Santa Monica.

[Groo]

We shall see

[cell989]

Microsoft does not have a good track record of making their consoles last long, Sony has proven time after time that they support their consoles for 10+ years, so how exactly is the xbone future proof, also a weaker GPU. Dont give me "da powa of da clawd" we all know thats BS

[robotgargoyle]

Sony's track record for console support is remarkable. Microsoft got better with 360(05-13)after abandoning the original after a paltry 5(maybe 4) years. Wonder how long this console cycle will last. Carmack thinks "a couple of decades"? Don't know if the consoles have that long of legs.

[ovnipc]

Tell me what do you know about consoles BGA chips? Do you know how temperatures work? If they work better and last longer with Leaded solder or free leaded? Dont talk if you dont know, ONLY at the beginning xbox had more hardware problems after 2007 consoles PS3 break 3 to 1 xbox. PS3 blu ray drive suck! they die quick Xbox 360 LiteOn drives last longer than PS3 drives. Xbox its a better console and uses less power than ps3 less problem with over heating. Google it YLOD PS3! Dont talk if you dont know! Troll

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Ironic because a man doesn't see anyone trolling but you. Yes yes Xbox is totally more reliable and supported longer. Enjoy.

[robotgargoyle]

Still too early to call. I only know about cloud storage, but cloud computing? Sounds like hyperbole. I think multiplatform games will be virtually identical. If a Sony fanboy has to point the differences out, than it's probably a marginal difference. Their library of exclusives will be the determining factor. PS3 had better looking (graphically) games, but I couldn't bring myself to getting one until late in the systems lifecycle. I played my 360, and still do today. People buy the brand they like. Halo v.s. Killzone. Forza v.s. Gran Turismo. Infamous v.s. Crackdown. Coke v.s. Pepsi. Beatles v.s. Rolling Stones. Virtual pissing contest.

[SephirothX21]

This site works like this. Say something positive towards Sony and you get agrees. Say something negative and you get disagrees and might even lose bubbles. Although PS4 is my console of choice, I look at the consoles objectively. DirectX 11.2 texture tiling will give X1 an advantage n some respects but the PS4 superior gpu and ram will be beneficial, especially for exclusives. Xbox 360 may have come 3rd place in sales this generation but MS made a greater profit than Sony did. PS4 has the momentum right now but I think both companies will profit and Nintendo will be forced to bring out a new console to compete.

[walkincarpet]

Dont think x1 will overpower ps4 over time but it does have a higher ceiling and may reduce the gap over time. Also out of the box it already beats ps4 at every level other than graphics which is a win in my book.

[EditorAtGNG]

We cannot predict what will happen in the near future. Who knows? Maybe the "cloud" will win over the audience or maybe it won't. Maybe some other piece of tech will spark a new revolution.

[MadLad]

Xbox One will do well.
Better than the PS4? I would hope not. It doesn't deserve to, anyway.
That said, it is now a much better system than what it was originally announced as. Doesn't deserve the amount of hate it still gets, even if most of the fixes are simply back-peddling by the company.
It is still shaping up to be a solid system and seems to have the games to back it up.

Still miss the original Xbox days though. So much promise there . . .

[lucidity]

Entirely untrue. There is nothing that makes the Xbox One more "futureproof" in truth. Weird how journalists have mistaken Microsoft's ill-conceived attempt to force DRM on people for a grand vision of the future, huh?

[ovnipc]

Are you going to keep bitching about DRM who cares that shit its old news its gone! And if you ever played PC its all like that once you buy a game its your for ever! Stop complaining!

[t3rrorc3ll]

DRM will be back. When they've sold 20m consoles Microsoft will turn around and do a policy change. It will simply be a screen that pops up with an accept/decline with a brief convoluted description that doesn't give the full story. Ovnipic keep defending it all you like you just look sad and desperate. Btw I'm getting both before you crank on with the usual rhetoric.

[oscarcat59]

For some reason I do believe less than one percent here has a clue of what they are talking about. No one here I bet has played on either console so how come everyone here is an expert? I for one do not know how well either will work and will try them out myself before making any judgments.

[ovnipc]

Xbox its better does not matter what trolls say! X1 Day1 !!
Just games kills ps4, the only good thing about ps4 is its GDDR5, But games will run the same, PSN sucks compared to LIVE. a 400M infrastructure vs a 9Billion one yea compete. I will maybe buy the ps4 in the future like I did with ps3 purchased and sold it. games look better on X360. X1. People dont fallow the sheeps they are just blind.

[t3rrorc3ll]

Learn to spell. If you want to sound intelligent that is your starting point. The rest of what you said is blind fanboy.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

speaking of sheep...

[Masta Kaos]

Nonsense...#smh

[spoonard]

Well, that journalist bought what MS was selling, no questions asked.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

or, MS bought what journalist were writing.

[BigPoppaPudge]

This isn't even on the real hardware, This is projected computer hardware kits lol.. This hardware is just what they tell them to start there games on because it's the closest things chip wise to there hardware.. but there are a lot of advantages missing.. BS article. Trying to spin this generation as Sony is now ms and vise versa is retarded and obvious.

[Harpers_Ferry]

In the year 3,000...

Sony and Microsoft both drop out of the console market in order to publish games for the new console king, the WiiZii.

See, predicting the future is totally awesome.

[Tales RPG addict]

Personally Microsoft eventually winning sounds more like wishful thinking to me. They havent won a console war while SONY won 2 in a row. M$ also isnt going to be selling Xbone consoles like hotcakes next gen. Cause of their fuckups, and many people i know have their minds made up despite the reversal in policies they are not buying an Xbox one. Im getting a PS4 & Wii U but will be focusing more on PS4.

[robotgargoyle]

I don't think that can declare Sony the winner of this console generation when xbox 360s continue to outsell them on a monthly basis. If you go by Metacritic scores on 1st party exclusives, maybe.

[bacrec1]

Y'all make me laugh. I want all the games!

[voodoogts]

Still weired that Sony suffers in there business the past few years trying to keep the business profit...

[H3ADWOUND81]

Flamebait opinion piece by an xbot.. Can't wait till those unit sales figures come in.. Landslide ahoy..... Sony locks onto Microsoft, fires two hellfire missiles & xbone is destroyed...

[Rimeskeem]

I honestly want the PS4 right now because now that the Xbox one is basically the same as the PS4 and its been said that the kinect is not good in its own remark I just don't see the point of getting the Xbox one because its higher priced I mean the exclusives look good but the PS4 will easily deliver exclusives we want later and the Naughty Gods are going to make me want to buy the PS4 an my friends are also wanton the PS4 and Xbox one and I really want it to but right now I think that the PS4 is a better deal.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

CAN I HAZ TIME MACHINE TOO!!! o3o

[FreshRevenge]

I didn't bother to give the author a chance to make money to have me read his rubbish. Obviously it was written by an Xbox Fanboy. Funny how personal preference to a console has turn into that of religion. My religion is better because.... My console is better because... My religion will dominate your religion because...My console will dominate your console...

Just play the damn games that you want to play and give it a rest!

[link4117]

The worst part about this "console war"? The fact that it's getting shoved down our throats by every gaming website. It's really showing us how crappy gaming journalism is. Every gaming site seems to be posting rumors and opinions like they're facts. They don't bother to verify anything at all. Repost and done.

This article has the same old tired arguments we've been hearing since the consoles were revealed. It's disgusting that people are getting paid to write this speculative drivel. It's no wonder that gaming journalists aren't taken seriously. Kotaku and Eurogamer/Digital Foundry especially have been just terrible lately.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Make a horrible unit for casuals' -not gamers,.. gamers outRAGE, M$ 180's from the original One, so now the unit's whole og plan, is called into question.. now over clocking a underwhelming GPU, with a driver,. they bill this as an amazing achievement, with less than 4 months away till launch,.. (Why does this worry me, more than encourage me-- as a potential buyer???)

[Godlovesgamers]

Pure Flame Bait. I'll pass.

[tubers]

Like the article mentioned, definitely a win for MS in the US. If not early on, in the longer run.

Better casual camera games, TV, a flavor of patriotism and HALO.

[link4117]

Why are any of those things bigger in the US? I can see TV since the XB1 is catering to cable TV, which from what I understand isn't as widely in Europe. Patriotism.... Ok... Maybe? I'd imagine for a very small percent? You remember that whole "Freedom Fries" instead of french fries thing? Remember how that turned out to really be a hoax and like 2 stores ever only did that? I don't think gamers really think about buying their next system because it's Microsoft and Microsoft is an American company. I mean if you have a source that can give me statistics other wise, I would enjoy reading it.

Casual camera games and Halo. I was under the impression that Halo was popular world-wide and not just in the US. Not to mention not every gamer in the US plays Halo. Casual camera games? How is that bigger in the US than anywhere else in the world? I just don't see the relevance of your examples to your statement.

I honestly really don't care who sells more as long as I get good games on the console I buy. I'm curious as to whether you statement actually has some factual grounding or is purely speculative.

[tubers]

W/c country among US/EU/JPN/SEA have the largest and most active XB install base?

W/c was more popular to the casuals? Kinect or PS3 Eye?

Non rhetoric btw.

I'd like to assume US but feel free to prove otherwise.

[IaussieGamer]

Another pathetic article getting coverage for no reason. Move on guys nothing here to read.

[MikeyDucati1]

A very good read. Completely objective.

[christrules0041]

It is designed for a better tomorrow then today and then you guys go off reporting that 3.5GB of RAM is used for the operating system for the PS4? What do you think that that RAM is going to be used for? All of it isn't used for the features at launch but it is there so that if they want to add features then they have the RAM available.

The PS3 had memory allocated and they couldn't spare the extra RAM. The PS3 has 25GB/s of bandwidth. 12.5GB/s for the GPU, 6.25GB/s for the OS and 6.25GB/s for the CPU. That is why the PS3 didn't get features like cross game chat and stuff like that.

This article would be better off saying that about the PS3. What do you think just happened over the internet about the PS4 using 3.5GB of GDDR5 for the OS? That is so they could add features. Sorry but this does not come from a tech savy website and I question if it's a MS fanboy writing it

[GRiMLiNX]

totally biased article, nuff said....

[jairusmonillas]

So many Xbox One reassurance articles lately. Give it a break, PS4 is going to outsell xbox one no matter what these dumb articles say.

[tubers]

PS4 reassurance.

[Monkeyonfire13]

Gaahahahahha not gona happen. There won't be an Xbox one. At the rate Microsoft is going, it'll be the Xbox 2 at release. and Still only fanboys will buy one

[bobby145211]

by the time they win the xbox one will be 300 and then i might get one but to then i'm sill going to get the ps4

[H0RSE]

2 things I would like to address:

1 - the talk about how PS4 is "winning" or how PS3 "won." Was there a contest I wasn't aware of? What parameters are being met in order to be deemed the "winner?" Ex - If PS3 has more sales, but someone have more fun playing on 360, is PS3 still the "winner?" What if the PS3 has stronger hardware, but games are easier to develop on 360? what if the exact opposite occurs? Is this like a trick equation where Sony always comes out the "winner?" It seems that the requirements to be dubbed this so-called "winner," are not only completely arbitrary, but also strongly opinion based.

2 - the talk about MS alienating core players and how it will ultimately lead to its downfall. First off, what is meant by a "core" player? Are we talking "hardcore" vs "casual," because if we are, those terms have been thrown around so much, that they barely have any meaning left, or perhaps, too many different meanings to actually hold any merit.

I hear the argument that MS sold out and they are trying to cater to casuals - isn't that why everyone complained about the Wii? Didn't the Wii absolutely shit on PS3 and 360 in sales? Aren't sales one of the big things Sony fans use to determine PS3 the "winner" of the generation? Seems like a lot of contradicting, double standards and selective arguments going on around here.

You know which console "wins?" The one you enjoy playing, and if you like both, then they both win.

[tein]

good text for casual gamer

[fragnificent]

Whoever wrote this is insane...quoting Macbeth lol

[jjb1981]

I just want games

[chuckyj1]

Ohh geese...an article that has a hint of positive X1 news...this must mean the hugely insecure Sonyfag boys come out in full force.

PS4 must really suck if you have to keep reading every X1 article that hits the press...

[xboxdude]

Microsoft cloud computing is ready . Sony says 2014.

[strickers]

That article was utter bollocks.

[Cyanide85]

I have one question, where has Sony said that cloud computing is impossible on the PS4?

Mark Cerny himself don't believe in cloud computing for textures and stuff like that, now he nor anyone else at Sony has not said that the PS4 cannot do cloud computing quite the opposite, if there comes a time when this kind of cloud computing becomes good enough that they feel it to be a good addition to the PS4 hardware then Sony is going to implement it on the PS4.