Why You Should Stop Bleating About the PS4's RAM

Everyone's gone baa-rmy
While the topic has quietened down a little over the past couple of years, cross-game chat was just one of the many failings of the PlayStation 3.

[Majin-vegeta]

I'll leave this here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Convas]

I'll leave this here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Last post is the same poster as the one Majin is quoting, 'cept now he's heard from an industry insider.

[MariaHelFutura]

The PS4 still has more available RAM than the Xbox One and uses more for the OS than the Xbox One. Pending this is true. Either way, I'm not worried about it.

A reallocated PS4 still trumps the Xbox One specs. Ouch.

[IcicleTrepan]

@MariaHelFutura You fail at basic mathematics

[OrangePowerz]

Both have 8GB so it's not possible that either of them has more RAM for OS AND games compared to the other.

[OrangePowerz]

@ign15

I must have missed the part where Sony said games have 7GB available. All they said is that the system has 8GB.

[slimeybrainboy]

Awesome post man! (Y) I wish there was a section of Gaf or just a website that was only insider rumors and opinions that was like N4G, you could upvote consistently right insiders, and downvote phoneys.

[MariaHelFutura]

1st - It's 5.5gbs available

2nd - even if 4.5gbs of gddr5> 5gbs of ddr3.

3rd - The PS4's OS would know be greater than the Xbox One. Since 3.5gbs of gddr5 > 3gbs of ddr3, by alot.

4th - How are guys celebrating a rumor that still leaves the Xbox One specs behind. A reallocated PS4 is still the better cheaper system w/ now a more powerful OS. Bravo.

http://www.g3ar.co.za/gifs/...

And remember this is a rumor and if this isn't true, things are gonna get fun.

[Boody-Bandit]

Quoted from the link provided above by Convas..
Current PS4 dev specs

"-At most, the OS uses 1.5GB, with a good amount of that helping the HD recording feature and on the fly switching/ multi tasking

-4.5GB is indeed about what's available for devs at present.

-1GB is set aside for futureproofing OS operations down the line.

-1GB for developer reserve, should they need it

Finally as an important point, I'm being told the faster RAM in the PS4 does in fact make a huge difference."

[black0o]

all xbots here need to chill with the disagrees ..
OT: i think the ram comparison didnt change a bit
GDDR5 > DDR3 fact
512 MB GDDR > 1 GB DDR3 ''for gpu" fact
and 5.5 GBs >> 5 GBs fact

[Rhinoceros]

Specs don't matter:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

Respawn talks about Cloud gaming:

http://www.respawn.com/news...

The PS4 is just a kinectless XBONE with an inferior CLOUD, and less money to spend on exclusives.

[Omegasyde]

As the guy stated in the link, the OS is not set in stone. Sony wants to be cautious in case MS,Nintendo,Steam comes out with a new unique idea that they can "copy" of. Hell, maybe some of the ram will be dedicated for the PSeye..

Microsoft needs ram this for legroom for the back ground features like TV watching, skype, etc, aka a Media Center.

However history shows that Sony releases lower OS footprints over the years with their firmware updates. I can't imagine MS would do the same as they would rather have the ram dedicated to type of background app.

http://www.dailytech.com/So...

[slampunk]

@MariaHelFutura

Your fanboy comments are hilarious!!!!

"The PS4 still has more available RAM than the Xbox One" ... LOL

"It's 5.5gbs available" ...... LOL loudly....

"even if 4.5gbs of gddr5> 5gbs of ddr3." .....LMFAO....

GDDR5 was a good choice by sony, but why do you think the PS4 "HAS" to have more ram available than XB1? who cares? the games will still be great.....

"The PS4's OS would know be greater than the Xbox One. Since 3.5gbs of gddr5 > 3gbs of ddr3, by alot." .......

LMFAO!!!!!....Fell of my chair too!!!!

Please dont stop commenting.....still LMFAO whilst on the floor!!!

[trouble_bubble]

@Rhinocerus
Less money for exclusives?? BAHAHA, that's rich considering the PS3 is STILL firing on all cylinders this year in :
GOW Ascension
Sly Cooper Thieves in Time
NiNoKuni
TLOU
Beyond
Puppeteer
MLB13 The Show
Until Dawn
Dust
Tekken Revolution
GranTurismo 6
Ratchet&Clank into the Nexus
Hotline Miami
Guacamelee etc

..while the 360 has been relegated to scraps like Dark at 38% metacritic and Double Dragon2 at 17%.

X1 lacks the FTP and indy support PS4 already has with stuff like Planetside and DCUO, but keep talking about imaginary clouds. Funny thing is, the Cloud storage on PS3 is more than 360 as we speak, so I think you're betting on the wrong rainmaker

[ALLWRONG]

This reminds me I need to pick up some new flip flops at Walmart. All the good flip flops are buried at the bottom. Kinda like how N4G buries Sony news.

What's funny is people here assumed all the features Sony keeps adding wouldn't use extra system resources.

[iPad]

The Witness uses 5GBs... so how can the PS4 have 4.5 GBs of RAM for devs?

[whoyouwit04]

Or maybe Jonathan Blow thought he would be using that, or maybe sony payed him to lie. Seriously does the witness really looks like it need 5 gigs to run?

[trouble_bubble]

Devs can use 5.5GB. That's what the reserve is for

[NegativeCreepWA]

If the witness needs 5 GB of ram too run, Blow needs to find a new career.

[nnodley]

I believe he said it wants to use 5GB not that it uses 5GB. Not sure though.

And even if it does he is more than likely loading the full game world onto the RAM instead of just in chunks. It's entirely possible he is using all the available RAM, but there are many different ways devs can use it and people need to realize that before they mindlessly bash somebody.(Not you iPad, BTW)

[UnHoly_One]

Jonathan Blow is a loudmouth idiot.

I'm sick of him.

[showtimefolks]

here is how i look at it we went from 512MB to 5 plus GB of ram why all the complaining?

and if someone pre ordered a ps4/xbox one just for ram than they should go ahead and cancel,

halo 4 looks stunning
last of us looks stunning

both using how much ram again? please for the love of gaming just stop this nonsense. let the system come out before we start judging them, let the developers make few games on them before we say its specs are not good enough

again 512MB to over 5GB of the fastest ram

xbox360 also i think 512 or 1GB ram to 5 plus

[gamertk421]

You're right, 512, and that was only at the last minute because Epic asked them to up it for Gears. The whole point is that many in the Sony camp were lording the RAM advantage over the Xbox side, so this is all a slice of comeuppance, regardless if totally accurate or not. In the end the difference we should focus on is the 10x generational leap for BOTH.

[showtimefolks]

gamertk421

both consoles are almost identical when it comes to specs, we will see how different developers find more ways to use the systems to their fullest

one day on n4g its how MS have gone back to caring about gamers

next day sony still has advantage

i feel like this fanboys war takes the fun out of gaming and there is barely any common sense used in arguments

[Narutone66]

Those number of RAM means nothing to gamers, it's for the developers to worry on how to use those available RAM. It's pointless to argue about which system has more RAM if the developer sucks, even a TB of RAM won't be able to help them.

[black0o]

only xbot are the ones complaining they finally had a chance to speak up

[BattleTorn]

/cause Jonathan Blow is the embodiment of credibility.

[wishingW3L]

is he known for lying or something? Because otherwise your comment makes no sense.

[CaptainofCrush]

Game over man!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...

[s8anicslayer]

Fanboys are the cancer of gaming, I mean seriously what is the point of arguing about who has more who has less who's faster who's slower etc etc. People will buy what they want and the fact is the ones who argue are the ones who are either loyalists to Sony or Microsoft or can only afford one over the other. I will be enjoying the fruits of both consoles and a very happy camper playing Killzone, WatchDogs, Forza 5, DR3. I cannot wait!

[Shadowolf]

@ s8anicslayer,

In fact fanboys are the driving force behind the gaming industry. The industry needs passionate gamers like what we see here in this thread. These are the early adopters who Sony and Microsoft carefully outline their hardware for.

When I read the back and forth of platform specific fans defending their position and their console of choice, despite much of the name calling and slurs, it is obvious why you see the monolithic corporations reversing their policies to satisfy the needs of their loyal users and maintain that competitive edge against the stiff competition.

Don't for one second assume Sony and Microsoft are not reading this threads to know how to give their loyal users what they want. Sure, like you I'll be basking in the glory of both platforms eventually...however, just because I work in the industry doesn't mean I have the luxury of buying both next-gen systems at launch. Making the right initial choice is very important for the mass majority of serious gamers and these threads of fanboy debates over what seem unimportant like the difference in RAM specifics really is important.

[n4rc]

Not even close dude..

These casuals you hate so much are the vast majority. Early adopters will grab the majority of the first million as a bunch of tech loving casuals gets some as well..

Given this gens sales.. Who do you think is buying the other 74 million units?

Fanboys are like .1%.. Nobody takes a fanboy seriously anyways because they are all complete idiots to be honest.

[Christopher]

But, if people weren't "bleating" about it, you wouldn't have been able to write an opinion piece and get hits off of the same rumor!

[JoySticksFTW]

Bah, meant to agree.

I'm glad ms decided to join the fight. They've really turned it around lately.

Things are just more exciting when it's not a one horse race.

On topic

It will be 5.5 gb to start, with Sony sitting on a gb ready to implement any hot feature it can copy from a competitor.
And if that feature doesn't come, it will be allocated to games.

Also you'd have to think both X1 and ps4 will optimize (shrink) their OS over time. So that will eventually free up more memory for both systems to put towards games as well.

Either way 5gb at the start of next gen is more than enough for these consoles.

[NimblePlay]

I really don't want to start a war, but is what I have to say about the specs

PS4 GPU SPECS
GPU: 1840 GFLOPS
ROPS: 32
Gpixels/s: 25.6
Shaders: 1152
Clock: 800MHz
Performance: 1.84TFLOPS

The PS4 is comparable to your average Mid range PC in terms of graphics performance. Not top of the line, but very capable. Will meet next-gen expectations in console terms.

Xbox One GPU specs
GPU: 1230
ROPs: 16
Gpixels/s: 12.8
Shaders: 768
clock: 800MHz
Performance: 1.230TFLOPS

The Xbox One is comparable to your average entry level PC in terms of graphics performance. The GPU is comparable to an HD 7790 which can max out "certain" demanding titles in 1080P with an FPS of slightly over 30. It "May" be lackluster in the years to come.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

www.gameranx.com/updates/id/1 5862/article/ps4-vs-xbox-one--- who-has-the-better-gpu-revealed /

PS4 Memory specs

Amount: 8GB
Type: GDDR5
Amount allocated for games: 4.5GB
Speed: 176GB/s

PS4 RAM is seen in entry, mild, high, and ultra high end PC desktop GPU's today. Some will talk about the latency issue for the CPU, but Mark Cerny explained that it won't be a worrying factor.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

Xbox One memory specs

Amount: 8GB
Type: DDR3
Amount allocated for games: 5GB
Speed: 68GB/s

Xbox One RAM is commonly seen for System RAM in a desktop PC. For graphics, the last time Nvidia or AMD used DDR3 as memory for graphics in a mild or high end GPU was back in 2008 (5 years ago) in their HD 4000 and GTX 9000 card series. Xbox One Ram is fine for it's CPU, but will it be fine for it's GPU especially in meeting today's standards?

At the end of the day, the PS4 sounds like a more powerful system, but you have the right as consumer to chose the system you prefer. Isn't that amazing!

Xbox One offers the Kinect 2.0 witch is seems to be far more capable than the PS4eye in terms of resolution, but the PS4eye will determine real 3D dept with 2 cameras while the Kinect 2.0 will determine dept from a 2D image taken from one camera.

http://www.thehdroom.com/ne...

http://gizmodo.com/kinect-2...

The Xbox One will offer great launch exclusives, the same with PS4. Sony has a great deal of First party
developers and MS is pushing to have more first party developers by investing in new studios.

MS cloud (Azure) will boost the performance of Xbox Live(not the graphics of the Xbox One, anyone with decent hardware/network knowledge knows this),these brand new servers are ready to be switched on when the Xbox One launches. Any developer will be allowed to use them to offload the game AI (Less things running on the APU means more power that can be harnessed to improve the graphics) and/or used them as dedicated servers.

PS4 cloud and Gaikai will allow backward compatibility in older PlayStation titles.

http://kotaku.com/5985810/t...

I made my choice, have you?

[n4rc]

"Some will talk about the latency issue for the CPU, but Mark Cerny explained that it won't be a worrying factor. "

Well thank god mark cerny said so.. Who needs proof as long it comes from Sony right?

/smacks head

[iconic56]

Man, those Tweets make Blow seem quite (dare I say it) lazy... many good points were made against him... why suddenly does Blow feel he "needs" over 5gb of memory.

Maybe The Witness is something that amazing... maybe not.

Though I'm not necessarily against more than 8gb of ram though. Seeing that a good portion is dedicated to OS, I feel another portion should be dedicated to cloud processing (just bare with me) as well. So you'd have ram dedicated towards OS, Cloud, and Local game processing..

If the Cloud's biggest downside is it's latency, wouldn't it be avoidable by caching the processed data onto a good portion of dedicated RAM??

Example: 12gb total ram can be allocated - 3gb OS, 6gb game, 3gb cloud,

[Sarobi]

I don't see why people are getting so worked up over this. 4.5 (or 5.5) is enough to give you great looking games.

[Geezus]

they know nothing! which is why it was funny when alot of people were blabbing about 7>5 in respect to the ps4 and xbox and how much ram was being allocated to games. Shoot most Pc games only use 5-6 gb of ram. Now alot of people who were boasting about that advantage are flip flopping and saying it doesnt matter which was true all along 5 gbs of ram is more than enough.

[Raven722]

To be fair, fanboys will be fanboys regardless of the flag they carry. The stupidity isn't exclusive nor greater on either side.

[OrangePowerz]

For the moment, but keep in mind you will still use it in 5-6 years or further. In 5+years every extra RAM space will be precious.

PC games are not optimized they need to make the game run on a lot of different hardware configurations plus you also need to add the RAM from the GPU.

[Thomper]

Not according to the fanboys last week.... Where is Mark Cerny when you need him?

Oh, he's with his "wife". Lol. Lol. Lol.

[fsfsxii]

Was this an attempt of a joke?? I died

[AceofStaves]

Wow. Sad.

[Thomper]

A joke?

If you like....

[YNWA96]

Are you saying Cerny does not care about his legion of fanboys? Ah c'mon.... Thats not right.... Maria, remove knee pads, get up and go home.... Cerny is not coming.... ( no pun intended )

[Firan]

Because fanboys care more about bragging rights than the games.

[SuperSteve]

Hear, hear!

Everyone should just STFU and let the devs worry about how much RAM they have to play with.

[Bigpappy]

Now you tell us. Though RAM was More important than The GPU or CPU for about 4 months now. That's all I heard.

When I upgrade PC's in the pass, RAM only helped when there was TOO LITTLE to run the software. Now it is being touted as the component that will increase computing power.

I mostly just read this stuff and not get into a big fight over this penis size thing. I will just wait until the games are made and like the Dev's said "there will be little to no difference between versions."

[nnodley]

Yeah the people saying more RAM is gonna add magical power to the console are ignorant. 5.5GB of GDDR5 no doubt is gonna be plenty for 5-6 years. Then Sony can optimize the OS to reduce the footprint and unlock over 6GB for devs, same with X1. People need to stop jumping the gun too as well.

Also RAM was one of the more important things this new gen. Last gen they had too little at the end and now I think they will max the GPU and CPU before they hit a RAM limit.

[nnodley]

I guess the people downvoting us are the ones that think RAM is the only important thing in a console/PC.

[Omegasyde]

I care more about being able to swap the HDD and not have to buy an official one. MS likes to overcharge for HDD, where Sony states any 2.5 SATA will do.

As games are getting bigger and bigger, eventually you will run out of space.

[creatchee]

You can use external storage solutions on both systems - and proprietary storage is not required (or even offered).

[n4rc]

Or unlimited cloud storage for damn near everything it seems.. Can't grab the link on my phone but its been posted on here somewhere

[HexxedAvenger]

No big deal, the games will still look amazing. Lol

[Flyingdog670]

Most games don't use above 3 gigs, so why are people getting worked up about it? All i know is that, the games will look great and play great. Stop arguing and play games, is it that hard?

[Ksar]

PS4 : Preorder cancelled.

[CRAIG667]

Serious? It's not a big deal, If anything Sony are prepared to give RAM back to developers if need be(that's if these rumours even hold any weight in the first place)
Look at KZSF or Infamous, they look exceptional, as do some of Microsoft's exclusives.

I will be the proud owner of both systems before the year is out...

[Software_Lover]

HERE HERE!!!!!!

[fsfsxii]

You're making too much sense bro. Pick a side

[nnodley]

One of the most logical post on I've seen on this article and you only have 3 bubbles. Freaking blasphemy!!

[Flyingdog670]

I doubt you had a PS4 pre-ordered to begin with.

[SpideySpeakz]

Pretty much..
http://n4g.com/news/1316708...

[RytGear]

Seriously, look at his comment history, massive xbot, he even commented saying specs don't matter and now he is "cancelling a PS4"

[PinkFunk]

Hahaha.

[ALLWRONG]

Ksar isn't saying anything different than you guys did when the Xbone was getting negative press.

It's called Karma

[Mrgolden79]

Xbots, ROLL OUT!

[Thatguy-310]

You sure you cancelled it? Seems like ps4 bundles are on fire on amazon again. 4>1 people if developers aren't complaining about it then no one should. Like the guy from octodad said "Nothing for anyone besides a dev to worry about". It seems like now a days everyone on here knows how to make games and what not.

[Akiba96]

It's kinda ironic how last gen people were complaining about the ps3 having less in-game features such as cross game chat due to insufficient RAM, and now sony has left a shit ton of RAM for such things and people are losing their hair.

[iamnsuperman]

It is because people are never happy we always want more.

[GameCents]

Funnier still, all the people that dissed the X1 for 3gb going to the OS have turned around and started talking about how this isn't a big deal.
7gb > 5gb was the order of the day then. Not so much now with this rumour.

Also, people just ran with the 7GB rumour but now they want to call for the wait for confirmation approach.
Hypocrisy.

[zebramocha]

The 7GB thing wasn't a rumor,vgleaks document showed the ps4 with 4GB of ram and the os taking up 512MB ,when this was double people thought the os did same.

I don't see how that's back peddling ,vgleaks had Ms using 3GB of ram before this was told to the public and no reference of the ps4 requiring that much the os.

[wishingW3L]

I do some multitasking on my netbook with only 1GB of ram so why would a console need 3GB even when its OS has even less overheads than Windows 7-8?

I am paying $400 for the PS4 to play games and I want them to look at its best and not be gimped for the sake of some crappy useless APPs on a console. Is not like I'd be playing a game while watching Netflix at the same time you know....

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I fully understand its no big deal, and games will still look great, run great and play great. But you can't deny the irony of how just probably up until yesterday many on this site and hundreds of others have been hammering "PS4 has 7GBs of RAM and the Xbox One only has 5GB, and how much better that is than a measely 5GB"

5GB will now become totally fine...when just yesterday it was holding the industry back.

[4logpc]

Couldn't of said it better myself.

People were constantly saying 7 gigs means Sony cares about developers.

5 gigs shows Microsoft is all about tv.

[Geezus]

its quite funny some xbox fans were catching flack for flip flopping but now Sony fans are flip flopping if not harder
now all off a sudden having 3gb is important for multimedia features when they were boasting how 7gb is all about the games and they dont care about these other features!

[Software_Lover]

That's my only gripe. The main people who made a big stink about the available XBone ram were people who were not gonna get it regardless. Now, they **might** be in the same boat and it's okay. But that's life.

I will say that if the tables were turned, it would be the same thing though. People get emotionally tied to these systems and flip flop. Just be a man, is all I ask. Admit you were wrong and move on.

[CRAIG667]

The best thing to do is be neutral, buy both systems and enjoy all the amazing exclusives, that's my plan anywho...

[IcicleTrepan]

stupid people get emotionally tied to them. They're just machines.

[Convas]

That's the crux is the issue here.

It's not the amount of the PS4 RAM allocation at all (at least it's not an issue to me).

It's the attitudes that were displayed in comparing it to the X1's RAM, lots of hyperbole and fanboy drivel.

Now the shoe is falling onto the other foot, suddenly, everything's honky dory. Just like paying for multiplayer is now ok.

If you're standing by the principle of an issue, stand by it. Changing when it suits you invalidates your opinion and gives you the appearance of a hypocrite.

[iamnsuperman]

I agreed with everything except this one minor point:

"Now the shoe is falling onto the other foot, suddenly, everything's honky dory. Just like paying for multiplayer is now ok."

The reason why it is fine is because we still get the distribution service which Microsoft never gave to the consumers. It isn't just paying to unlock the online component it is getting a service in return. Microsoft's approach was basically "screw you. You should pay for online". Sony's approach is a bit more tactful "You have to pay for online but we will give you this service as well as compensation"

[OrangePowerz]

I still don't like the reduced RAM. It's clearly enough right now, but consoles you play for many years and at some point devs would be very happy to have 7GB instead of 5GB.

[ALLWRONG]

iamnsuperman doesn't really matter anymore considering the PS4's online structure is behind a paywall now. For years PS fanboys gave Xbox fanboys flack over paying for Live. As soon as Sony announced they would be charging for PSN, all those same PS fanboys started defending it.

That's the difference between PS gamers and Xbox gamers. When Xbox gamers start getting screwed over they stand up and get things changed like DRM/check ins. PS fanboys however just keep saying "thanks can I have another" while defending the things they once trashed.

[iamnsuperman]

@Allwrong

"iamnsuperman doesn't really matter anymore considering the PS4's online structure is behind a paywall now. For years PS fanboys gave Xbox fanboys flack over paying for Live. As soon as Sony announced they would be charging for PSN, all those same PS fanboys started defending it."

Because we are not just unlocking the online part of our console we are getting the highly rated PSN+ service as well. It would be vastly different if it was PSN without the plus (essential what a Gold subscription is).

[Xsilvermist]

The thing that is funny is that this isnt confirmed by Sony yet and xbox famboys. Wanna jump around saying omg were winning lol its like they forgot the difference between Gddr5 and ddr3 its like all they see is the gigs smh, so even if it is true they dont have an argument its funny how they think they have an advantage in hardware. But honestly why would sony need so much ram for the 0S when the ps3 only used 512mb and worked mostly fine i tell u right now that interface better move smooth as butter.

[4logpc]

I didn't read maybe more than 1 comment of someone saying Xbox is winning now.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, and people like you will go out of your way to call out hypocrisy like it's a big deal. Back and forth, back and forth. Don't guys like you get tired of this crap on all sides of the fence?

BTW...I wasn't one of the ones going 7>5. At most I discounted the hypervisor allowing 7GB's on X1.:)

[thekhurg]

Just looking at the recommended specs for planetside 2 I find it really hard to believe this rumor. Just looking at windows xp specs it needs 4 gigs of ram plus a video card that obviously has additional memory on it.

Since the developer has said the ps4 version is basically the PC version on maxed settings I'm thinking this rumor will eventually be debunked. The ps4 still needs to have GPU memory allocated from the available pool and with 4.5 gigs available that doesn't quite add up to what planetside is requiring.

[Software_Lover]

Optimization my friend.

And it can't ask for 4gigs of available ram on XP. I'll let you look that up yourself.

[thekhurg]

Fully aware of that, skip. I was using windows xp as an example of a low cost OS. I doubt you're running planetside 2 at max settings on xp 32bit.

[turnerdc]

Eh, optimization (both good and bad) my friend. Comparing the requirements for a PC game to those of a console game is not a fair comparison. For example, on the PC version of Crysis 3 the minimum system requirements are 2GB of RAM (3GB on Vista) and a DirectX 11 video card with 1GB of VRAM. The Xbox 360 and PS3 versions ran this on around 256MB of RAM and 256MB of VRAM.

[Funantic1]

I thought NG4 were fanboys before but lately their articles have been unbiased and factual. Great job NG4!

[wishingW3L]

dude, you are nuts.

[SpideySpeakz]

The problem with that statement is that N4G don't make the articles. The articles are distributed to N4G.
ANY gaming related article on the net will likely be posted on N4G, regardless of it's bias nature.

[Funantic1]

That's obvious they didn't write the articles if the links led to another site...duh. But they're still in control of what we see.

[B1uBurneR]

I laugh at Sony trolls like Dr. EVIL. that won't stop them from the RAM argument get ready for it.. the ps4 has 500MB more of memory.. my ps4 200 birds on screen is better than your 185 birds

[CRAIG667]

What.

[andrewer]

Stop this, 5 GB or so is ok. If you want RAM go buy a PC with 64GB of RAM and be somehow happy, but stop whining.

[whoyouwit04]

except it's only 4.5 gigs not 5 as the Sony fan boys want to claim

[rainslacker]

The current rumor goes it's 4.5 by default, with another 1GB locked away should a developer need it, so essentially 5.5, although maybe not at this time.

I dunno, it's all a rumor. Either way, the argument was silly when it was 7>5, and it's silly now. All this MAY be an issue 5-6 years from now. But it's unlikely. If true, we are at least getting an early glimpse what the next 7 years will be like.

[shibster88]

Who really cares all I want is bf4 and 64 plus players to get stuck into no matter what console. Me personally ps4 because one ive had my 360 for 7 years and I want a change and two because I have a family and saving money is key, ie 100 thats food or towards bills, pkus the misses wasnt keen on me spending over 500 for xbox bf4 and premium or just over 400 is easy for her to take lol.

[Drasill]

WInner: PC

[josephayal]

7GB of RAM is enough

[CrimsonStar]

lol it wasn't the other day .

[shibster88]

Pc no thanks prefe4 console on my sony bravia smart tv pc for work use ie ofg8ce work pkus good to have mates round for some food beer and console gaming, hard todo in a small office at home.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Look at what they did with the ps3 with the very little ram it had.

They constantly improved games and we ended so far with last of us and that game was crazy good imagine want they can do with what they are given with ps4.

Stop fretting over these little things if even proven true

[Kayant]

I never really understood the ram number advantage debate considering developers have not complained yet and both consoles have shown ram size shouldn't be an issue this gen look at how beautiful Ryse/Forza and Infamous/Killzone look. There are a number of devs that have said they don't even know what to do with it. I don't think it matters too much on either side of the pond.

[OrangePowerz]

I would rather have more RAM instead of stuff like cross game chat that I never used in 7-8 years.

5 GB RAM will be fine for the moment, but we talk about a system that we still use in 5+ years and at that time every little extra RAM will be helpfull.

[Cueil]

they'll optimize the OS over the course of time

[Cueil]

I buy my consoles for the Gamez... not the RAMz... that's why I'm getting both next gen systems

[XboxFun]

The RAM debate only fitted with the Sony fanboys and their agenda in making the Xbox One look vastly inferior. Now that it seems another advantage has been taken away the N4G flip flopping is rolling through like a run away train.

Now common sense is prevailing and people are saying "it's ok, you don't need all that RAM for games" or "I buy games not RAM". The sony camp is being humbled and quieted. More and more the consoles are looking similar which many devs and journalists said way before the consoles were even revealed.

Now if this turns out to be false I'm sure we'll see a "360" (HA) and the same people jumping on N4G pronouncing that more RAM is GAWD!

[rainslacker]

While I don't disagree with you on flip-floppers or fan boys, are you implying that Xbox fan boys don't do the same exact thing?

Thing is, this mentality is the same for all fan boys. It's probably the only thing that the fan boys of different systems actually have in common.

If anything, between all these fan boys and flip floppers, it only goes to show how utterly stupid the console war really is.

[Ippiki Okami]

"The RAM debate only fitted with the Sony fanboys and their agenda in making the Xbox One look vastly inferior"

No. The agenda against the xbox One was to stop DRM. The ram amount argument was just another reason to buy a PS4 over "the one".

"The sony camp is being humbled and quieted".

LOL. Thats just your bitterness showing. Probably for being berated for wanting to purchase an xbox one a few months ago.

[XboxFun]

"The ram amount argument was just another reason to buy a PS4 over "the one"."

And now that point is null and void thanks to the over zealous sony fanboys. Thanks for agreeing.

"LOL. Thats just your bitterness showing."

Bitterness? Not at all, but you didn't disagree with what I said which makes it all the more true.

thanks for proving my points.

[whoyouwit04]

See how sony fans complain so much that N4G removed the oringal article about sony's RAM? Sony fan boys are a sad bunch of gamers. not once have a negative report on Xbox One been removed from this site, especially one that got as many comments as the original article on sony's RAM.

[wishingW3L]

it was failed by a mod, the community can't fail a story once it has been approved... Man these Xbox fanboys are just as bad as all the others.

-__-

[slampunk]

Totally agree..... I'm getting both but surely even the most dedicated Sony FB must see that this does contradict Sony's initial message which is we're all about games? Multimedia, social and online features are central to both systems....

I actually think this is smart on Sony's behalf though....but it shows a bigger emphasis on other features on the PS4 than they let us to believe.....

They have done a better job than MS so far but MS are clawing back some ground and i think Sony have yet to be asked some of the tougher questions about PS4......

Gaikai? when, where, price?
Online infrastructure compared to MS? upgrades?
OS footprint etc.....

[badkolo]

home page has these stories missing, the force is strong today, its ok there is always the ps5 to make up more lies

[ALLWRONG]

Censorship!!!

So the PS4 will use more RAM than expected for the OS.

[Theyellowflash30]

None of this matters. Its all about the games

[lgn15]

But I never heard anyone saying to stop bleating about the ones ram. I guess Sony is as bad as "M$". You just got cheated out of 400 dollars! Isn't that illegal or something? They lied to you and got all those pre-orders, mission successful.

[bsquwhere]

This all still just speculation people when Sony confirms it then we'll know. Until then its still a rumor. Same goes for any rumor on the X1.

[gamertk421]

Do you really think they'll confirm it now? They have a taste of what Microsoft got and are finding it so bitter. My guess? No comment.

[bsquwhere]

I don't care if they do or don't really. I just wanna play games. If they have features worth while that require that much ram then I'll also be happy. Yes I like Sony, but I also like some of the features of the X1, and if they have similar plans than I guess that I (person) win.

[GameCents]

Yesterday, 5gig ram was holding back the industry. Today, it is more than enough. Pick a side people.

[Hicken]

So 5GB of GDDR5 is the same as 5GB of DDR3 now?

And, as of yet, it still hasn't been confirmed one way or the other. What happened to you Xbox fans and your "Wait until it's confirmed" attitude? Funny how "the shoe is now on the other foot," like you weren't all bashing Sony's products for one reason or another since before the PS3 even launched.

Guess that only works when it's Microsoft, right?

[XboxFun]

It has been confirmed by many that the difference is miniscule at best.

And it hasn't been confirmed and yet the Sony fanboys are in full force stating it doesn't matter that there might be less RAM. I'm sure you caught a lot of that in these comments, you can't miss it. Funny how Sony fans want to "wait until it's confirmed" but want straight answers NOW from MS.

Guess that only works for Sony, right?

[GameCents]

Confirmed or not is irrelevant because people have already decided that if indeed it is true, then 4.5gig is still more than enough.
My query comes in because 5gig was holding back the industry just yesterday and today the defenders and offenders have changed their minds

So again hicken, I implore you to think before you leap. I'm not saying it is indeed 4.5gig because I deal in facts not rumours. But the defense force of which you are part of have already come up with a back up plan that states that 4.5gig is perfect. A bit wobbly in my opinion.

[biRdy]

A 500gig hard drive holds the same amount as a 500gig ssd, the only difference is the ssd is faster.
So yes they are basically the same in terms of use they can have.

[Hicken]

@birdy: Thanks for making my point.

People choose SSD when they can afford it, because it's faster. So even though you'dd have the same SIZE in a standard HDD, the SSD would obviously have better performance.

And if one's got better performance, then their uses WON'T be the same, as the faster one can do more.

Thanks.

[fsfsxii]

MOAR RAM!!

[jukins]

The games already look great there's not gonna be a sudden downgrade in quality whether this rumor is true or not. If anything Sony, and probably Microsoft are most likely saving some ram for the future in case some feature needs it. Also very possible that both systems could see more ram become available down the road.

[RatchetandClank]

Shame when people care more about specs and features more then the actual games. That is what these consoles are for right?

[AceofStaves]

Not for those who feel compelled to pick a side, sadly.

The rest of us, however, carry on.

[wishingW3L]

if it weren't for the specs these consoles would be just another PS3 and X360 in a different box but with a bigger price tag.

Go play Snes and PS2 for the rest of your life if you only care about games and not specs then. Because these 2 consoles have the best and most varied library of games ever and I doubt you have even played 50% of the games released on those.

[Kayant]

Faith in some gamer's logic is mindblowing look at this http://www.neogaf.com/forum... SMH
So you're canceling your pre-order because the PS4 is not using the rumored 7GB for games. Wow. Just Wooow!

I can understand if you don't like the current-line-up of games and features but ram. really. People need to calm down. Ram was a issue this gen but we have a game like GTA V that is going to be huge and still looks good when using 512 of ram on both systems but now ram has been increase by about 10 times and ram is now issue.

[Hazmat13]

i say no big deal im in it for the games!
i really hate to go off the subject but are we gonna see MLL on PS4?

[Tapioca Cold]

Children, Children...please. Calm down. You will all be humping and suckling your your console of choice soon.

[jairusmonillas]

This is like the rumors before E3, PS4 going to cost $499 and even $599 and also PS4 no sharing of games, DRM, etcetera.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is behind spreading false news cause Xbox One is weaker.

[extermin8or]

You know why it's irrelevant? Becuase ones using higher speed GDDR5 and the other DDR3. Go figure. Although I'll take this with a pinch of salt till sony confirm or deny.

[riceking]

this is my look on things if the rumor is true

4.5 guaranteed
1.5 os now
1 bookmarked for things they may need to add to os (in reaction to features in xbone which become popular for eg party chat for ps3)
1 is flexible available to dev but it's heap memory not stack as of now.

They could free up the 1 back from os in the future and streamline the rest accordingly . Basically Sony is playing it safe . Also devs seem that some of these comments and discussions are way overblown and are happy with the ram available .

Bottom line 5.5 at launch or so. More later but that could take time

[nnodley]

Yes that is exactly what is probably happening, but many people are in denial. From Xbone side they are in denial that X1 is still the inferior hardware no matter what and that won't change so they need to get over it. From Sony side people are in denial because they refuse to believe it will have any less than 7GB for games. 5GB-6GB is plenty for 5 or more years and they have room to unlock more if devs demand it. Both MS and Sony will have the ability to do that.

And to anybody thinking that GDDR5 and DDR3 have a negligible difference are fooling themselves. There is a reason GDDR5 is used in graphics cards now. It's the best for graphics.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Their not even going to be able to make games that can utilize 5.5, for a year or more.

[Supermax]

Oh now it's about the games.

[quenomamen]

Rhinoceros + 1h ago
Specs don't matter:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

Respawn talks about Cloud gaming:

http://www.respawn.com/news...

The PS4 is just a kinectless XBONE with an inferior CLOUD, and less money to spend on exclusives.

Lol, this guy using Respawn ( the real Infinity Ward ) as a reference ? Respawn !? The hacks who shit out the same effin game year after year ! Have you even seen Titanfall ? shit looks like they took COD and added Mechs, I would not be surprised if theyre using the same crap engine too. Homeboy, you better come up with something better than that to prove your point on how "Teh Cloud" is gonna make your precious X1 better than the PS4. Yea, specs dont matter, especially when you're at a disadvantage.

[ALLWRONG]

You forget the PS4 now has less resources to work with and Sony is using it's cloud for mostly PS3 games. The consoles are now on par but cloud gives Xbone the edge, an edge Sony can't reach. In other words PS4 games wont look and play as good as anyone with an Xbone with a good connection.

[NeoTribe]

Sony never said they would have 7 gigs avavailable for games. People assumed there op system used 1 gig. Plus what's it matter, if ps3 can do the last of us with 256 mb of ram I'm sure 5gigs will keep them busy for awhile.

[unicron7]

Get out of here with your common sense and logical thinking. The mob wants no part of it!

Precisely.

- Sony never said that they were giving devs 7 GB of ram to work with. That was from a 3rd party speculation.

- Even if the RAM is at where they say it's at, the PS4 is STILL a superior console, hardware wise.

So honestly guys...what exactly are you guys rambling about at this point?? I really want to know? Sony never lied, and MS never gained an advantage....so I don't get all the fuss.

[Scatpants]

This whole argument is stupid 4.5 gigs of ram is fine. Its 9 times what the PS3 had.

[unicron7]

All I have seen is an all out invasion of xbox fanboys the last couple days. They latch onto any rumor or negativity regarding the PS4 and try to bash. It's the equivalent of grasping at straws. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. I mean hell, even if this rumor regarding the RAM is true...it STILL is a better console hardware wise than that of the XB1...that's just a fact...unless you want to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

Then again, I think they are upset because the new Xbox has been reamed since day one without mercy(and justly so, in my opinion). It's not our fault Microsoft is developing a gimped console. It's not our fault Microsoft tried to throw you under the bus. Direct the anger to where it needs to go: Microsoft. Sony is doing nothing but trying to please the gamer. All Microsoft is doing at this point is damage control and catch up. Why reward MS's mistakes with your spending dollar?

So just stop with the pointless bullshit guys. It will get you no where. PS4 is going to sell better this holiday season when compared to the Xb1. That's just how it is. The $100 higher price tag will see to that. Casuals will not leap at $500.

[Mikey Mike]

Naughty Dog confirmed it was fake...

[marloc_x]

I think the games will be great regardless of the numbers on the side of the cardboard box it came in..

[arbitor365]

its not like the other 3.5 GBs of ram is sitting there doing nothing. it just means the PS4 will have a kickass, seamless OS. and we saw last gen how important that is (cross game chat)

and im sure the X1's ram will be allocated similarly, considering that they are trying to compete in ease of use and OS features. so dont expect the x1 to have 6 or 7 gbs dedicated to games, or something.

[SSJBen]

To those harping about the PS4/Xbone's RAM usage and its other hardware technicalities, let me ask you guys something.

How much do you know about hardware engineering and game development? lol.