Octodad Dev on PS4's 5.5 GB RAM Rumor: "Nothing for Anyone Besides a Dev to Worry About"

"Moments ago, EuroGamer has reported that the PlayStation 4 will have 4.5 GB of RAM allocated to games with an additional 1 GB for flexibility. So that's potentially 5.5 GB of RAM allocated to games, contrary to earlier reports of 7 GB. This has created some sort of storm across PlayStation community as many are questioning the need of 3.5 GB of RAM for system OS."

[THC CELL]

There u go.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Not sure this is exactly "confirmation", only that he's telling the people getting their panties in a bunch about RAM that they're worrying about nothing.

And still, the only source for this is Leadbetter at Digital Foundry, not exactly a reliable source. Sony used between 512 mb to 1 GB of RAM for the OS when PS4 had 4 GB, but then they add 4 more GB of RAM...only for pretty much all of it to be used up by the OS? Yeah, seems legit.

I see only two scenarios:

a) In just a few months (a year, at most) Sony has ballooned their OS from using 1 GB to using 3.5 GB of RAM which is more than the XBox One uses, despite the fact that GDDR5 is roughly 30% faster than the Xbox One's DDR3.

or

b) The only source for this groundbreaking news is Leadbetter and an unnamed "insider" with mysterious "development documents". Leadbetter has a dubious track record over the last few months ("magic holes" in the eSRAM give Xbox One 196/GB per second of bandwidth LOLOLOL!) and therefore this rumor is probably not true, especially considering how developers have constantly been talking about the huge pool of GDDR5 RAM and how great it is for gaming.

I think after months and months of non-stop negative news about a certain console, loyalists to that certain console are desperate to latch on to ANY negative news about the competitor. Believe what you want, kids.

[gameseveryday]

I think Digital Foundry are a valid source and I really think this rumor will indeed turned out to be true.

But honestly, no one should be worried since 1st party Sony Studios will be making use of that 5.5 GB RAM to the max.

[majiebeast]

@Rashid

Just like the 7 minutes of recording right or the magic special sauce they reported for the Xbone. Eurogamer and digital foundry has been a joke since the console reveals and spreading a bunch of fud.

[NewMonday]

from NeoGaf:

"Originally Posted by zomgbbqftw

So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable."

[Thatguy-310]

All we can do is wait and see if Sony releases a statement.

[bicfitness]

The rumor is already being dismissed on Neogaf. I read this twitter response like an hour ago on there too. N4G is not the fastest place for information. Its looking more and more likely that A.) the Digital Foundry "insider" was not using a FINAL dev kit - as none have been given out yet. B.) The amount of excess RAM that Sony has reserved for FUTURE OS functions is not nearly as much as Leadbetter claims. Either way the original rumor is incorrect.

[Blachek]

**whiny voice*

But they want to see who has more power to validate which is the better purchasing decision!!!

lol, soo much convoluted junk to keep track of. I'm gonna stick with my Xbox 360 for another year and see how this conversation plays out until then.

[iamnsuperman]

Either way (true or not) Sony needs to confirm or deny this rumour so the dust will settle. I say bull as Eurogamers hasn't been good of late with either the One or PS4 rumours (actually been pretty terrible).

The way he talks says he can't talk about it. Now there must be a reason for this. Something must be happening at gamescom he can't talk about but will impact games

(edit) An interesting point on neogaf:

"The article sounds like nonsense. There is no way that the OS is going to reserve that much memory for itself. They added the RAM at the behest of a developer making a comment about needing more RAM, so they aren't going to essentially give the developers that same amount of RAM, but maybe a gig or a gig and a half more to play with and take up the rest with the OS. Sony has never had an elaborate OS and their OS has been in development for a long-time with 4 GB in mind... so how is it over the course of a few months that they magically reimagined their OS to triple in size if it was originally using 1 GB? That doesn't sound feasible in any manner." by Kevm3

[Thomper]

Hmmm...but isn't DDR3 much more efficient at those sort of tasks than GDDR5?

[Arai]

Sony insider (confirmed KH3, FFXV prior to E3 and the lot), this whole thing is getting out of hand haha.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[S-T-F-U]

@dedicatedtogamers

You sir are getting a 'Well Said' Bubble from me. Keep up the good work.

[dedicatedtogamers]

I think something else people need to realize is that these numbers can change, and I mean that in a good way (and for those on the Green side of the fence, this applies to you too).

Last gen, the memory footprint for the PS3 and the 360 decreased dramatically over time, especially the 360 which went from 128 MB reserved for the Dash and chat down to 50 MB. PS3 saw a similar, though not as drastic, reduction as well.

Wii-U used/uses 1 GB out of its 2 GB of RAM for streaming, Miiverse, and other OS features, but I believe that number is now down to 512 MB.

Point is, I seriously doubt this rumor is true, but even if it is, Sony (and Microsoft) will likely decrease the footprint over time. There are other rumors that the PS4 OS only uses 1.5 GB right now but another 1 GB of RAM is being set aside "just in case" there are future needs to expand the functionality of the OS.

[MysticStrummer]

@newmonday - "So here is a theory that I have heard. Note, this is not insider information. A friend who is a developer, not on consoles or PlayStation mind, thinks that the new devkits probably ship with 8GB GDDR5 but the developer tools probably take up 2-3GB on there, leaving addressable RAM at just 5GB. He said the problem is that the APU bus is 256bit which won't allow for more than 8GB RAM until 8Gbit chips are available.

He thinks that the current SDK probably does have 3.5GB reserved for for the OS functions and development tools, but when the next set of kits ship they will have 12GB of RAM and the full 7GB will be addressable."

That sounds a lot more reasonable than assuming PS4's 1 OS requires nearly as much RAM as One's 3 OS system.

[nukeitall]

@dedicatedtogamers:

"Last gen, the memory footprint for the PS3 and the 360 decreased dramatically over time, especially the 360 which went from 128 MB reserved for the Dash and chat down to 50 MB. PS3 saw a similar, though not as drastic, reduction as well."

You got it wrong!

The Xbox 360 amazingly has *AWAYS* used 32MB RAM footprint for their OS. The PS3 is the one that was bloated at almost 150MB RAM and then slimmed down to about 50MB RAM.

To get similar functionality as MS, the numbers for 3.5GB RAM needed for OS jives well historically.

There might be some mis-information, but development source with documentation from Sony is quite telling, and almost confirmed in my opinion.

This is pretty ironic though!

[XboxFun]

I agree Edonus, I think it has more to do with the reactions of fanboys than Sony.

People were quick to point out the huge differences in RAM even though a few respected developers went on the record and said the differences were miniscule.

Now that there's a rumor that both systems will use the same/close amount of RAM for games now it's "we don't care". I think certain loyalists are trying desperately hard to downplay reality especially when their console of choice is losing all of its advantages it previously had.

[Saigon]

I re-read the original post or article on Eurogamer.com website and noticed they are referring to the SDK. So this is a rumor. Until Sony confirms this is nothing but a rumor. Also it looks like the the post on neogaf applies the reality of the situation.

[dedicatedtogamers]

@ Nukeitall

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if it was PS3 or 360 that reduced the OS footprint.

@ XboxFun

"People were quick to point out the huge differences in RAM even though a few respected developers went on the record and said the differences were miniscule."

Um, then why are devs across the board touting their PS4 versions, praising the PS4 hardware, and showing off their PS4 builds of multiplat games? GDDR5 RAM is going to make a much bigger difference than people think, which is precisely why people are, you know, talking about the big difference in RAM.

[MysticStrummer]

"I think after months and months of non-stop negative news about a certain console, loyalists to that certain console are desperate to latch on to ANY negative news about the competitor."

Ding Ding Ding

I'm positive newmonday's quoted explanation will turn out to be true, and even if it doesn't, Eurogamer had an article back when PS4 supposedly had 4GB of GDDR5 and they said it was still better than One's 8GB of DDR3/32MB ESRAM combo.

[tuglu_pati]

lol they removed the original story. hehe!

http://n4g.com/news/1320057...

[DoesUs]

@Edonus.
No, just ...no. That is not how it all worksin the XB1. Good lord man, theres enough out there to get the real figure, and more importantly how they get to that figure!

The misinformation on this site truly staggers me.

[Flyingdog670]

Mark Cenry confirmed back in Feburary that a custom secondary chip will be used to handle uploading videos and other back ground task. So does this Debunk the rumor? I don't think so, but something is odd about this.

"Cerny later added that the PS4 will feature a secondary custom chip that manages uploads and downloads of shared content and that "digital titles are available to play even as they download."

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[imt558]

@edonus

No! X1 eSRAM can't read/write at the same time and eSRAM + DDR3 they do not have peak bandwith of 192 GB/s. It's Microsoft's PR bulshit. Go to NeoGAF and inform yourself.

[XboxFun]

"Um, then why are devs across the board touting their PS4 versions, praising the PS4 hardware, and showing off their PS4 builds of multiplat games?"

UUUm, because that is what devs do Dedicated. They are showing off their games and the PS4 revealed early so this gives devs a chance to show off what they are doing with the system.

And yes they are talking about the hardware, after coming off of the hard architecture of the Cell of course they have nothing but good things to say about the new PS4.

Even you have to understand this dedicated.

"GDDR5 RAM is going to make a much bigger difference than people think,"

No it won't, I fully disagree with you. The differences will not be huge and mind blowing as a lot of people here are thinking. People are talking about RAM because all they see are numbers and that is all. One is higher than another so it must mean it's 100x more powerful.

[starchild]

@ DedicatedtoPlaystationGamers

Jeeze, you truly are clueless. Digital Foundry's track record is very reliable.

They were the ones that really broke the story on the PS4 and XB1 specs long before they were officially revealed. You know, the same ones fanboys like you toss back in forth in your childish schoolyard spats with other console fanboys.

I have been reading them for years and their track record for accuracy is extremely good.

People like you are going to look like fools when further confirmation of this comes to light.

Yes, the OS footprint can be decreased over time, but I am willing to bet that for right now this is accurate.

[Dee_91]

@Zuperman
I know right, I could give a crap about this because even if it was 1gb ram it would be miles better than current gen.
What exactly is wrong with allowing 5.5 gb of ram ?
Is it bad because people thought the PS4 would allow more ram than the XB1? Thats sad if thats the case.Or is it that it genuinely is a false rumor and its stated to have allow more ram?

[starchild]

Exactly. I don't know why people are freaking out about this. I am getting a PS4 and this info hasn't changed my decision one bit.

4.5 to 5.5 GB is A LOT of memory to have strictly for games. And having more RAM dedicated to the OS is a good thing because it allows them to give us new features that we never had before. Instant resume of gameplay sessions, gameplay recording and streaming, being able to browse the web to search for guides without having to close out of our games... all of these things are very good things, and they require a lot more memory in order to be possible.

[RumbleFish]

Will we see 64 bit applikations on PS4? ocherwise it will habe absolutely no impact on games, since allmost all games on PC are still 32 bit applikations and are limited to 4BG Ram usage.

[u got owned]

In all seriousness guys. Im pretty sure Sony will clarify this, remember Gamescom is very close. I wouldn't worry about it too much, this is just for fun.

[showtimefolks]

lets wait for sony/mark cerny to confirm this

5.5 is still a lot for GDDR5

also we are going from 512MB to 5.5GB so what's all the fuss about anyway, both sony and MS have made sure that Ram won't be an issue

[justastranger10]

Sony: PS3 can do cross game chat. Nothing to worry about.

6 years later

Sony: PS3 can't do cross game chat. It's impossible.

[Ju]

@edonus,

I almost agreed to what you said until you finished that way.

Those numbers (simply put x > 176) is just for people to jerk off. Those numbers are hardly practical. And even if, what you could do with it is probably fill some small chunks with some burst transfers, what you sure can't do is, turning this into a subsystem which can transfer sustained at that bandwidth.

Of you finish with "lies" I gotta tell you that we yet again observe some fabricated truth which is more than welcome picked up by the marketing department than engineers.

There is simply no way the XOne can fill texture buffers with that bandwidth. It needs to be a very well thought out cached texture layout to come even close to that bandwidth - and probably won't see any effect until "mega" textures are the rule.

Anyway, it the simple argument all over again: mine is bigger than yours.

And speaking off, even if true, this rumor still gives the PS4 a 1GB benefit over the X1. Sony might just cut that down to have some headroom down the road. And what gives, as long as devs will make games for the X1, it sure will fit for the PS4 as well.

[joefrost00]

they have to use more cause even though ddr5 is faster its not made for multitasking where the ddr3 is
Ddr5 is mainly graphics ram
Ddr 3 is more efficient at multitasking
It makes sense now why the ps4 games have a hard time getting to 1080p 60fps

[JohnnyBadfinger]

Hahahahahaha! Lolol your precious ps4 and 7gb dedicated RAM is gone!!!
Lololol sorry but its too much for one person to bare.
Did you idiots really think they would fit all the non related gaming features plus DVR in 1gb of RAM!?

It ain't a rumour it's a reality. You guys said it yourselves "the ps4 can only do everything the xboxone does and better" that right there means more ram!

Hilarious!

Im telling you all should wait until both the Xbox and ps4 launch before purchasing
Both consoles still have a lot of information to come out!

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

I love that the Sony fans have made the original story "failed" on N4G. Boy they sure don't want that rumor up... yet somebodies rumor from GAF, every marks as interesting.

Hilarity.

[adventureghost124]

dedicatedtogamers, You are incredible, Bubble for you

[Ju]

edonus, you're really getting out of your way here.

You must be a math genius. All you need in live is addition, right? I mean, why not, let's just add the eSRAM and make it 8.032GB (btw, you forgot a zero and let's just round the 1024 to plain 1k, shall we? - 1024MB = 1GB, FYI).

Anyhow, what you call "real world" are benchmark use cases. I might even believe that you could read and write a couple of useless bytes, extrapolate it over some time frame and sell it as "oh, look, I can do 201GB/s". And then you go and sell it to the marketing department. Because that's all that's worth. It might take you another 7 years to actually do something useful with it - if at all.

And even if you do, you still miss a couple of CUs which could do something with those now lightning fast NOPs.

BTW: I don't really give a crap about 5.5GB, 4.5 or 7. Next gen can't come early enough. That's all that matters. Whatever it takes to make those games. It isn't really unexpected Sony is keeping more reserved for the system - and probably apps besides games. This thing sure will multitask just fine.

[StanSmith]

Sony have issued a statement to DF!

We would like to clear up a misunderstanding regarding our "direct" and "flexible" memory systems. The article states that "flexible" memory is borrowed from the OS, and must be returned when requested - that's not actually the case.

The actual true distinction is that:

"Direct Memory" is memory allocated under the traditional video game model, so the game controls all aspects of its allocation
"Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.
We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for.

So basically both Consoles have 5GB available. Now all you fanboys can crawl back under the bridges you came from and stop bickering over which is better!

[tuglu_pati]

5.5 GB for games confirmed?

[Skips]

Do people really believe Killzone SF and The Dark Sorcerer ALREADY used nearly all of PS4's available RAM???

http://www.videogamer.com/p...
http://www.dualshockers.com...

lol

[starchild]

Yes, it actually fits together perfectly.

Why would developers that like to push visuals as far as possible simply not use a bunch of the available memory?

If the PS4 has 4.5 GB of available RAM it explains perfectly why those games and tech demos were just under that amount.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

More like "Nothing for Anyone Besides a indie Dev to Worry About"

How much RAM does indie devs need? They have access to plenty.

[SnotyTheRocket]

Why does anyone care? It's 5 GIGS, even if its true. NO games use more than 4, at least in my experience. Calm down people. Why is this an issue?

[no_more_heroes]

Because it was supposed to be a slight against the x1 only.

Now that there's a slight (unconfirmed) possibility for it being true for the other side, it no longer matters.

Fanboys *smh*

[Raven722]

@gapecanpie

Considering that we've been getting games like Halo 4 and The Last of Us on consoles with only half a gig of RAM, I don't think we need to worry about that. Watered down versions of games will come mostly, if not entirely, from the CPU and GPU of the two consoles being weak by comparison. That will happen long before developers can complain about lacking RAM.

[DiRtY]

Ahhh that is what we needed. Another indie developer working on $10 games clarifying everything for us...

[JackVagina]

i bet he still knows more then you do kid

[DiRtY]

For the lolz:

http://i.minus.com/imBJpDLx...

[ALLWRONG]

Funny how fast these are getting buried by N4G. Suddenly this kind of thing isn't allowed on here? N4G is so biased might as well add the official Sony seal of approval.

The PS4 has a bottleneck just like the PS3.

[DOOMZ]

Check out the article on IGN:
http://www.ign.com/articles...

[Blaze929]

i love how that sony rumor was hated so much on this site that it got yanked down. oh the reports, gotta love the hypocrisy on this site.

http://n4g.com/news/1320057...

and that's exactly what happened...

[lgn15]

I always wondered why the powerful ps4 just didn't have any games to show it beside killzone.

[nosferatuzodd]

ill only believe this when sony said it

[THEDON82z1]

I truly believe that certain people what to hurt Sony anyway possible and that this whole RAM debacle is simply from non-finalized Dev-kits..Right now the OS is still being finalized... but the biggest Problem I see from some dumb-ass people is they keep looking at the numbers only...PEOPLE REMEMBER THE PS4 IS USING GDDR5..GET THAT... THIS IS A TRUE ADVANTAGE BY ITSELF AND ALSO SONY MUST FUTURE PROOF THE CONSOLE ASS-WELL!! My personal belief is that once everything is finalized and streamlined the ps4 will most likely use about 6 gigs of ram for games and 2 for the OS!!!!

[Ausbo]

WHY is everyone making such a fuss?? 5.5 gigs is plenty for games. Remember how much this gen has??? like 256mb.

I never understood why the ps fanboys ripped on the xbox for only being able to use 5-6 gigs of ram for games. This is plenty for both systems.

[thetruthx1]

As I suspected it will come down to games. Now there really isn't a big difference in the two systems

[KillrateOmega]

So...what? That was pretty unclear.

Should players not be worried, because the rumor is false? Or is the rumor true and he's saying that players won't have to worry, because they won't be the ones making the games and dealing with this 4.5GB - 5.5GB of RAM?

[Lovable]

He's not saying that the rumor is fake or true. It's just that whatever the outcome of the rumor is, we as a gamer shouldn't worry.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I agree that is the message he is delivering. Games will still look/Play great.

[wishingW3L]

I love how he says that when we are the ones paying $60 for the games. I mean, why we shouldn't worry about the fact that we are paying $400 for a console with half of its specs devoted to APPs and other garbage we don't care about when all we care is about having the best games we can get for $60. If I wanted a console with tons of APPs and crap I would buy a freaking gaming PC instead but consoles are for freaking game and the rest is only secondary but games should always come first!

[Thatguy-310]

We had less than 1GB this Gen and did you care? Of course not no one did.

[HiddenMission]

Yes we did...Skyrim says high. RAM for open world games is beyond important and less is very bad. For things like particle effects it makes a huge difference.

I can't tell you how many games I love but because of RAM restrictions the titles suffered greatly.

[MajorLazer]

I do not care for the multimedia aspect! I buy a console for the gaming and, if true, which I pray is not the case, then nearly half the RAM is going to be used for thing that are not related to gaming. This feels like such a slap in the face because people have been crucifying MS for its focus on the non gaming aspect and to see Sony do the same just makes me worry for the future of gaming as a whole.

[Redempteur]

@hiddenmission

There are plenty of openworld games that worked perfectly ...and some that are still planned for current consoles.

Skyrim would have been an issue if the engine wasn't an horrible mess and bethesda was actually spending money for it to work smootly on more PC setups and consoles
If skyrim was managing his data properly, they wouldn't need such an insane amount of ram to work.
Bethesda should learn how to code before wanting more.

[AznGaara]

You know... They're plenty of amazing games that DONT have über amazing graphics or use 4gbs of RAM...

[HiddenMission]

true but I'm buying my 2 PS4's for two reasons 1st the major graphical jump and 2nd because of the advanced connected gaming culture infrastructure.

[strifeblade]

@hidden missions
Really you are buying two ps4s for 2 reasons? lemme guess well you need one ps4 to play games and ANOTHER one to... develop games? LMAO JOKES

Yeah i am buyin 1 xbox one for one reason ands ill give you a hint its not because i want to develop games (eventhough i can).LMAO JOKES!

[MajorLazer]

Agreed. What really feels like a punch in the stomach is that, if the rumour is true, nearly half the ram is reserved for features not gaming related at all. I do not want the entertainment I love so much to be destroyed by social media and other non gaming related features :( the day that happens is the day I hang up my controller

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Why are people worrying?

Look at ps3, they squeezed every bit of juice out of that system for years and it had tons less ram. The games got progressively better and better. I think people tend to forget the talent of Sony first party studios.

Look at the last of us right at the end of the ps3 lifecycle and look how great it looks, the same will be done with the ps4

[Campy da Camper]

Agreed. The Last of Us used half a GB. Can you imagine if they made a sequel with 9 times the power? Jesus!

[Majin-vegeta]

Why no over 9000 times the power??:(

[slampunk]

I totally agree mate and actually think this is a smart move by Sony if true....They need to make sure their OS isn't slow and awkward in comparison to XB1...

TLOU as you mention was developed with 512MB....that is simply astonishing!!! and was an amazing game....

I'm not sure how much of the pS3 ram is reserved for OS but lets say it's 50-100MB, that around 400-450mb for the game....

that's still about a 10-12x difference.....

lets just say that Sony knows better than us.....

[strifeblade]

last of us had small and confined environments with not very man enemies on screen at once... Yeah it seems inline with what 512mb of ram can do- or what any game can do this gen for that matter lol

[jobboy]

i preordered my ps4 just to play games...and i am really disappointed that half of that supposed super-fast ram will be wasted for applications and social networking. Now it starts to be clear why we can forget detailed 1080@60fps.
Disappointed...really disappointed

[GraveLord]

Consoles can't just have barebones multimedia functions these days. Apps and multitasking are standard on smartphones. Would you really want a PS4 that only plays games and has a slow unreponsive OS like the PS3?

I don't. I want both proper games and multimedia support. PS4 offers this. I am not a "hardcorez gamer". I watch TV. I watch movies. I use Netflix.

[jobboy]

ps3 mediaserver works flawless on my "old" and unresponsive ps3...Come on 3.5gb is totally exaggerated considering sony was planning for 0,5 to 1gb max

[admiralvic]

While you might not care for the "pointless" applications, they're a huge selling point for the system. To buy a simply wifi Bluray player will cost you roughly $100 dollars (assuming you don't find a killer deal and buy someone with well known brand name) and even then I've seen those prove to be quite slow / clunky in actual practice. To get a good steaming unit you're probably going to be paying $50+ dollars and up to $100 (minus the BD uses) just to get a steaming experience on par with the 360 / PS3 now. Since next gen won't support last gen and many people use these functions now, it just makes sense to include them. Plus it's good to know my system can do more than simply play games. If the cost of that is an absurd sum like 3 gb of ram, then so be it.

"Now it starts to be clear why we can forget detailed 1080@60fps."

As far as this goes, a lot of it has to do with the cost / money involved to make it happen. This gen a LOT of companies take a hit with the increase in cost to make a game and looked to DLC / other unpopular stances to fix it (true or not, this is what they're claiming). The simple fact is, not every company can afford to make games at that level of power, so even if it was possible, a lot of companies shy away because of the investment involved.

[devwan]

This is a rumour from a highly iffy source, don't get too upset just yet.

[strifeblade]

Iffy source? LOL... WELL MR.- where have we been getting all of our nexgen information from this whole time?

I'll give you a clue- it starts with "digital" and ends with "foundry".

[colt-of-tipton]

Forza 5 is 1080p at 60fps and looks stunning so I think ps4 will be just fine.

[PFFT]

It will be fine. The thing is that fanboys love to throw thing out of proportion. Ps4 and MS fanboys alike.

[ginsunuva]

1080@60fps is gpu/cpu. Ram, not so much, just some vram from the gpu.

[JackVagina]

Right cause ram is the major factor in resolution and frame rate

smh

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I really do agree that the 4.5GB of RAM for games isnt' something to worry about. The PS4 is still a great system...games will still look incredible as well. Really the only thing this will do is put expectations in check...and what I mean by that is games this generation on Xbox One and PS4 will be far closer than many initially figured given the previous initial thoughts of 7GB of RAM vs 5GB of RAM

[Cmk0121]

people arent worried its not enough people are just pointing out sony said 7 for dev 1 for OS and MS was slammed for their allocations of ram for dev...now they are equal essentially and its no big deal thats why all the chatter. if this was MS the world be be on fire

[Flyingdog670]

Sony never actually confirmed 7 Gigs for games and 1 gig for OS, it was just a rumor that people went along with.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

I'm not going to respond to your comment about MS, I'm just saying that I could've sworn they said 7 GB for games at their reveal in February. That's why all these shenanigans are confusing me. Why would they do this when they explicitly (if my memory is right) said 7? Something's fishy to me.

[unicron7]

Sony never announced 7 GB of RAM for devs. That was a rumor. They promised nothing and this is pretty much what I expected. The PS4 is still better on a technical level and cheaper. I'll be going with it.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I think Mark Cerny may have said their current OS footprint was 1GB...the problem is that doesn't mean 7GB then are available to developers for games. I think many took him saying the OS was 1GB as well that is final and the rest of the system RAM will be for games. Clearly not the case.

[nick309]

You guys know that you need plenty of ram to multitask web browsing& playing games at the same time and downloading at the same time. Its not suprising and not that bad .

[NYC_Gamer]

I hope people aren't going crazy because quality content was created on consoles with a lot less ram.

[Corpser]

Octodad developer not worried because Octodad looks like it doesnt need more than 1GB

[kgeisler]

It's true, we're trying to keep our system requirements low so more people can play. This is certainly one of the sillier articles we've had regarding Octodad. :)

[Cmk0121]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when MS announced 5 gb of ram for devs and 3 for OS and sony announced 7 gb of ram for game dev and 1 for OS the world was ablaze that Sony had more care and dedication to gaming side while MS was screwing off with too much media attention.....NOW that they are basically identical with allocations of ram for gamin an OS its not a backtrack or LIE on sonys part???HMMMMMMM hows that work

[unicron7]

Sony never promised 7gb of RAM for games. It was all speculation and rumor. I could understand being upset if they had promised that...but they didn't. And even with the cut in 3 gigs of RAM, it is still a superior console on a technical level. GDDR5>DDR3. 1.8GHz> 1.4GHz. People seem to grasping at straws at Sony this past week over shit they don't understand. It's pretty sad to watch.

[testerg35]

Its not that Sony promised 7gb, but its how Sony fans constantly talk about how much more ram is available on the PS4. Sony fans stated it as FACT.

[Hicken]

Who says they're identical?

Why would they go back on what they've already said for the OS?

And why would it take this long for this to come out?

None of it adds up. It's from a source that's been questionable in recent days, to boot.

It's really just a false rumor for you Xbox fanyboys to rally around, just like when you were all CERTAIN the PS4 would have the same DRM as the XB1.

Grasping at straws is pretty sad.

[Tctczach]

Pretty sad you can't accept the truth.

[TheFallenAngel]

If they can make amazing games like God of War 3, Last of Us and Uncharted with 512mb of ram, why would I be worried if they are only using 4-5 gb.

[trafalger]

i dont know but it seems like people get excited over negative news around here.

[Flyingdog670]

If this is true, why are we worried? If this was such a big deal, or even true, wouldn't the developers been all over it? From what I've read, most devs seem happy with what the PS4 offers and none are having problems with it. In all reality, i highly doubt this is true. Like i said before, Eurogamer have been spreading BS with their articles, they had a "Source" the claimed that the PS4 only recorded for 7 minutes, but Sony shot that down and confirmed it will record for 15 minutes. Sites like eurogamer are just fishing for hits without backing up their claims. I'm just gonna wait for confirmation, but if this is true, then i'll be highly dissapointed. Plus, didn't Mark Cenry confirm in February that a secondary chip will be used to handle recording and other OS features? If this is true, can someone give me link? Please and thank you.

[EXVirtual]

I missed that! Cerny said they're using another chip for the OS?! If that's true (which i hope it is) We'll be seeing 1st and if we're lucky 3rd party games use the full 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Have you found a link yet? If you have send it to me plz. But i guess we'll find out at gamescom, huh?

[Flyingdog670]

"Cerny later added that the PS4 will feature a secondary custom chip that manages uploads and downloads of shared content and that "digital titles are available to play even as they download."

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[EXVirtual]

@Flyingdog670, you just debunked this! Spread this around the site man! Submit it maybe. I'm not gonna because you found it. Now we just need Sony to say this again! Thanks.

[THC CELL]

Can't anyone be happy and here why th. Games will look a lot better than what we have now, no matter what console you buy.

[-Gespenst-]

Well personally the SNES proved you only need mere kilobytes of ram to make good, memorable, and unique games, but all the same, this OS / connectivity / social networking / extraneous feature bullcrap needs to stop. They're games consoles, and they shouldn't be anything more. This whole thing is just a thinly veiled cash-in.

4.5 / 5.5 is more than enough gddr5 ram to make good games, there's no question of that, but it's just a shame that the amount dedicated to games is taking a hit because of the preoccupations these games corporations have with silly mass culture trends. This kind of nonsense is certainly holding back games as a medium to be taken seriously; this and triple-A production values. Both these aspects necessitate reaching broad audiences and taking fewer risks because of a vacuous, cynical concern with profit.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

Oh Sooonnny, you got some 'splainin to do!

I kid, I kid. But really though, Sony should confirm or debunk this fast before it gets too out of hand. Even if it is true, that's still a lot of RAM. Heck of a lot more than our current systems. Look at the TLOU. They did THAT with 256 MB of RAM! Imagine what ND can do with 4.5 (or 5.5, or 7) gigs of that stuff?

[unicron7]

They really don't have to explain anything due to this not being real news. They never promised the full 8GB of RAM in the first place...and anyone who expected it is a fool for doing so. On a technical level...it's still better than the XB1 in more ways than one...so i don't get the bullshit.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

Yeah I get what you're saying. I mean, I never expected 8 GB (and I hope others didn't) because they said (or at least I thought they said at the reveal) that 1 gig was reserved for the OS. I can't explicitly remember if they said the rest was for games or not, but I would assume so.

But still, I just want the rumor to be confirmed or denied so people can sit down already lol.

[imt558]

You mean 512 MB RAM in PS3. Yes, PS3 OS use about 50 MB. So, 462 MB available.

[first1NFANTRY]

weather it's 4.5 or 7gigs ND, SMM, GG etc will prove all the nay sayers wrong.

from the wise words of French Montana "i ain't worried bout nothing"

[unicron7]

How is this news? It was to be expected that the OS would take up 2-3 GB of RAM. People are so silly on here. It's still superior to the XB1...so I don't get what the big deal is... and Sony never promised a full 8 gigs for games...I swear the xbox fanboys on here will grasp at any straw they can. Pathetic more than anything.

[badkolo]

no its not, and after this news , things arent looking to good

[unicron7]

Uh, yes it is. People are seeing what they want and ignoring things. 1.8 GHz > 1.4 GHz. GDDR5 > DDR3. It is still faster and cheaper. You can't deny that. If you do, then you are lying to yourself. And things are looking fine for Sony. What have they backpedaled on or lied to us about with the PS4? They didn't promise 7 GB of RAM for devs. Never did. This is all some concocted bullshit and a lame attempt at straw grasping.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

I am going to call BS on the eurogamers claims since they used KZSF slides as reference as to why there is only 5.5 gigs available for gaming when the KZSF demo was made with only 4 gigs of ram in mind. There is little to no reason why a developer would get excited for a .5/1 gig increase.
Now if this information turns out to be true (which it probably won't) I'm not getting a PS4 anytime soon since I don't need another device in my house with multimedia functions.

[MajorLazer]

I pray it is bullshit. I do not give a F*** about social features. I only care about the games and I do not want the RAM nearly halfed for non gaming related crap

[jobboy]

this! +bubble

[EXVirtual]

Man this rumor is everywhere. Also, some of you guys said the rumor was dismissed on NeoGaf? Can you send me a link plz :). I really would prefer 7GB of GDDR5 RAM for games, but the best thing to do is wait. I'm sure people will be sending this rumor to Yoshida through twitter.Guess we'll have to wait and see. I really don't care about all the multimedia functions (which Sony seems to understand more than MS) and the share button is cool and all, but I just want the next gen games.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Not dismissed... GAF has blown up over this, a few have posted scenarios for why it would be this way now and not final but others are coming forward with devs saying much the same as here. Same numbers, but its not a concern for them.

Bottom line... Sony needs to respond unless they want this to continue to spin out of control.

[_FantasmA_]

Spin out of control? Yeah I can totally see people rioting and looting because of this.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

It would be really nice if Sony just stepped up and addressed this. Confirm or deny it but letting this continue to fester isn't going to go well.

[badkolo]

you guys need to chill, you can always get a real next gen console and get the x1. just kidding, im sure this is just a rumor, 3.5 sounds rather high and i doubt this rumor is true

[Cryptcuzz]

I am confused at this rumor for the OS to take up as much as 2.5 GB of the available memory when the PS4 was designed initially with just 4 GB of GDDR5 memory.

That means the OS had to be designed around the 4 GB of memory from the get go right?

Keeping that in mind, it does not make sense for Sony then to all of a sudden bump up the total memory to 8 GB at the PS4 reveal in February, to only have the additional 4 GB of memory be used up by the OS almost entirely.

I hope this rumor proves false and an official or more credible source comes out to confirm or deny this. I'd love it if it was the rumored 7 GB available with 1 GB for OS, but whatever it ends up being, I am sure Sony has a good reason why they would drastically change up the OS foot print like this (If true)

[badkolo]

there is no way it is using 3.5g for the os, it doesnt come with the cam so there deosnt need to be ram reserved for that, and thjere isnt 3 os's running on it like the x1, so while i find the news funny because the bots are running around in circles defendning it, i truly doubt its true and im sure sony will be refuting it shortly.

[Cryptcuzz]

There is always a way that is possible unless we get an official confirmation or denial on this matter. I for one agree that is a lot of memory reserved just for the OS and cannot see why, when even bloated PC OS does not even need that much.

The rumor had to have come from somewhere, the question is whether the source is credible or not. I will point out that the author of this article is kind of sketchy lately, with running with misinformation like 7 minutes for the sharing feature on the PS4 to only shortly after be debunked.

Let's see how this will pan out.

[Drainage]

says the guy making "Octodad"

[SynestheticRoar]

O K. So Sony lied damn company's need to stop lying. Act like their running for office.

[yewles1]

I can't believe the stupidity in these comments... "OOOH!!! The PS4 is similar, so that automatically makes the XBOX ONE BETTER!!!" If people want to support this crap on either console, I now know who to blame.

I called it long ago...
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

[kewlkat007]

Nice..that you did. I think you can still have nice games and have a console do more...just optimize the OS and add more RAM..

[PFFT]

That you did.

[blackstrr411]

Sony bots are pathetic. In a parralel universe if the heading was x1 rather ps4 things would have bn different. All ofa sudden everyones an engineer when it comes to ps4. Get a grip.

[PablitoPaperito]

LOL look at the 180° Sony fanboyez r doin!

Not even M$ coud touch that.

All of a sudden 5.5 GB is "plenty"!!

U boasted the 7gb ram figure around for weeks LMAO!

ahahahah

[GiantEnemyCrab]

It is funny and even funnier that they delete the top story because it's a rumor but a reply to the same rumor which in fact is itself a rumor is okay.

Bottom Line is the games are going to be great!

[black0o]

still
5.5 >> 5 #dealwithit xD

[PFFT]

It varies.

[teezy]

I don't really care as I don't think this will make a difference. If the games are designed to use this much RAM then surely it's all good.

GDDR5 or GDDR3...doesn't really matter.

[PablitoPaperito]

It's DDR3(+Esram pool) vs GDDR5

[kewlkat007]

If true, thi sis actually a good thing for Sony and PS4. For years we have been saying XBL has been better overall then PSN..and if they are reserving that much just means there could be more OS/App related features being added now and later...

Stop saying I cannot see why so much ram for the OS, because you do not know what SONY has planned and how much RAM it takes for things that they have talked about.

Microsoft is a software company and they have already shown what the XBone can do while your gaming...etc I hope it is as fast as it was on that stage but they are not hiding the fact that these gaming devices will be able to do a lot more then just playing games. Sony tends to hype hardware advantages but rarely talk about the software side and how that will work overall.

I've already said these console cannot match scalable PCs year on year..So it is in the best interest of MS and Sony to allocate as much RAM as they can for the future endeavors.

[PablitoPaperito]

Wait I thought the XBone OS' functionality was "a gimmick" and "useless" and u ppl wanted a true 100% game oriented machine?

LOL

[WarThunder]

I only care about the games. And Sony has a lot of great first party studios they will blow away everything just like they did with their games on the PS3.

[6DEAD6END6]

I think everyone should read this and make of it what they will.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpos...

[masa2009]

Sure the dev of Octodad is not going to be worried about 4.5GB of RAM.
It's visuals are most basic, oh and it's a Sony console exclusive.
Go figure.

[N8]

Just like many have said before it's crazy how gaming has become like politics on the internet. You have to pick a side you can't own both consoles its nuts.

[slampunk]

I do this gen and will next gen.....and aside from getting great games and services from both?

I get to laugh at comments on sites like N4G where a Fanboy's beloved company of preference has never made a mistake, whilst the other competing company has never done anything right.....

Not everyone can afford both, but after this gen, if you own one console, you're missing out big time...

Totally agree with you N8 bout the politics.....can be amusing though?!

[seroxat]

I can say this is fake. First the ps4 was said to have only 4gb of ram. And Sony must have designed the os initially to work on said amount of ram. According to Cerny they upped the ram late so i think the 1gb is infact the truth. If this rumor is True the os allocate almost all ram the system initially was designed with. Falls on its own logic

[ebreda]

So THAT is why no PS4 demoed games looked nicer than XO's Forza 5, according to Digital Foundry.

[wishingW3L]

what? 0_O

[imt558]

You know that's a big disagree vote?

Don't worry, guys! 5.5 GB GDDR5 in PS4 is still better than XO's DDR3 RAM, even if XO has 10 GB DDR3 just for games.

[P_Bomb]

Forza still uses old gen tricks like pre-baked lighting btw. The inFamous gameplay walkthrough from E3 looked pretty darn impressive as well from what I recall. We're also talking dynamic open world vs linear driving.

[_FantasmA_]

Didn't the PS3 only have 512? Why you guys worried? Come on, remember the competition is the xboner 1?? LOL

[AceBlazer13]

Fuck it with all these rumors and flip flops being passed around for both consoles idgaf about the features anymore so long a it can play video games that's all I need damn might end up buying a Wii u at least they know wat their about

[ded1020]

I'm going to post this hear from GAF because famousmortimer said it best:

"First off, I know all you guys want are hard numbers and I don't have them. But I do know the philosophies in place currently. If you would like to use your brain and think critically about things... keep reading. If you want to get into a 5>4.5 OMG IM CANCELLING MY PREORDER conversation - this thread won't help you, in either direction.

I was told by a couple of Devs in the lead up to E3 that the OS footprint was "bigger than expected" but not a single one of them complained about it. No one is in danger of running out of ram. As some people have mentioned in this thread - games like the The Last of Us are happening with 512mb of ram. Launch titles, of all things, are not going to be pushing the hardware in any sort of way... and that includes ram.

So why is the ram footprint bigger than expected? It's fairly simple - Sony is hedging their bets. They were absolutely caught with their pants down with their OS this gen. Not having the memory overhead to do things like Party Chat gave Microsoft a huge advantage when it came to online gaming, which is obviously a growing sector. So much like $399 as a target price was a reaction to $599 being a disaster... "big OS footprint" is a reaction to "small OS footprint" being a disaster.

But the thing that I'm hearing and I believe there was even a line dedicated to this in the eurogamer article is that these numbers aren't set in stone. The fact of the matter is that high end PC games use around 3gb of ram and use higher res textures (art tends to take up the largest chunks of ram) than the ps4/x1 do. The idea that launch games need 7gb of ram is absolutely ludicrous. 4gbs is fine. Anything more, at this point, is overkill. It won't be overkill forever... but it's overkill for now.

So Sony gets to sit on this chunk of ram, be in 1gb or 3gb - again, I don't know the numbers. I don't know if eurogamer is right (I do know at E3 that some thought more ram would be freed up when the final dev kits shipped... but I don't know anyone working with a final dev kit). But Sony is coming at this from a position of power. They don't need the ram currently so they get to take a wait and see approach before saying "ok, devs, you guys get this." The systems will launch and they will look at what people are doing with their own OS, they will see what features people are asking for, they will see if microsoft or Nintendo (or even steam) come out with some surprise feature that catches fire - and if it does they will have the memory there to be able to do it also. If it doesn't that chunk of ram gets freed up for developers.

This thread is looking at this entire thing like the endgame is the day it launches. That's day one, guys. This is a long term strategic move and, imo, a smart one. They are putting themselves in a position to be able to adapt... something they couldn't do with the ps3. I know as gamers all we want to hear is higher numbers. But find me one developer that thinks the ram available to them on either system isn't enough (and this goes for the x1 as well guys... all this 5gb hurr hurrr stuff is fanboyish nonsense that you can go through my post history and see I never took part in once).'

I feel like this post is far too philosophical for this thread of LARGE NUMBER > SMALL NUMBER, but hopefully this info is useful to some of you. Sony have created a nimble system and this is part of that philosophy.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
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[safsaan]

by the looks of the comment section, it seems people care more about ps4 beating the xbox one rather than the gaming quality of the ps4.

[RandomDude655]

Naughty Dog Dev:

https://twitter.com/cowbs/s...

[u got owned]

You realize that tweet implies that the comments are silly, and not the article itself, right...

[gnothe1]

Maybe sony Is about to add their own HDMI in a focus on some more multimedia features. .I'm sure some fans have asked for similar features as the xbox one..

[cunnilumpkin]

considering ram is the least important spec when it comes to a contest between gpu, cpu and ram

I wouldn't really worry about the ram

the super slow 1.6ghz cpu and laptop gpu is the concern and it goes for both ps4 and xbox1

[yewles1]

The modified 3850 with 18 CU's on the PS4 isn't really a problem, the Jaguar CPU on the other hand, at 1.6GHz, single thread per core, only 128-bit SIMD and only 6 cores to have for games--making it only around 75GFLOP/s--is a problem for both consoles.

[cunnilumpkin]

agreed, the gpu in the ps4 is pretty nice, and I think both consoles will show a MAJOR leap in graphical fidelity, I am excited to own both eventually

I think people are just greatly over hyping the ram issue

my only concern with the ps4 is the cpu

xbox I am somewhat concerned with the gpu if we ar to believe it is 50% weaker than the ps4's gpu, which to be honest, is not very strong either

[vigilante_man]

It's not even August yet! How much of this this nonsense will we have to put up with before they are released?

We all need to to take a break and go on holiday - a long one...

[Supermax]

Cnet is reporting it now.

[Supermax]

Hi guys my ps4 looks exactly like my x1.

[SniperControl]

Hang on, Sony have confirmed 7gb for games and 1gb for OS. This is purly flamebait by some desperate xboy.

[PFFT]

Denial much! Its highly doubtful this was done by a desperate fanboy.

[BuffMordecai]

I think I'm gonna be sick.

[swansong]

I have only one thing to say "Show Me The Games". In the end as far as any console is concerned,it's about the games. Sony has some awesome first party studios "naughty dog, Quantic Dream,Sucker Punch,Media Molecule,Santa Monica,Guerilla Games" Just to name a few.

[baodeus]

this site should change it names to R4G (rumors for gamers).

All this back and forth bickering do not paint a good picture of what gamers truly are, or are they?

Ded1020 post a link which make a lot of sense. People just don't understand that people want more functionality with the devices that they have. If they see both console play games, but one with more functionality, what do you think they gonna pick up? Sony isn't stupid to not realize that and reserving more ram for more functionality is a good thing.

[crazyeightz]

Wow, to put it bluntly, this really puts an egg on the face look to every fanboy that trumpeted this we have better ram than you ms fanboys huh??

The battle continues............

[TimeSkipLuffy]

I am Playstation guy but I don't take anything coming from Sony as godgiven. I always thought that 1GB of RAM for OS with all that social stuff is not going to happen anyway.
Sony talks big but unless they prove them I don't take them serious.

Anyway! This won't change my mind in buying the PS4!

[lgn15]

And the castle crumbles.

[slampunk]

LMFAO...... So for a lot of Sony FB's.......when digital foundry say something about XB1.....it's gods truth, but when they write something about PS4.......So and so is not a reliable source.....

Get over it, games on the PS4 will still be great and if this is true you'll have a far better OS.....

[GABRIEL1030]

The PS4 has a second processor, there is not reason to spend 3.5 Gb in an OS. I'll be very dissapointed if this is true, because I dont want a console for social stupidities, I only need a console to play good games.

I understand that Xbone uses 3 Gb for OS, because the machine has a lot of TV applications and Kinect's functions.

Is unlikely that this rumor can be true.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[CaptainofCrush]

Game over man!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...

[Supermax]

Oh now it's about the games.

[mmj]

MS and their partners once again putting the attention on memory bandwidth/free memory to distract everyone from the elephant in the room which is Xbone's much more inferior GPU.

[extermin8or]

Guys the rumor is referring to current dev kits... it's been explained by someone above, but it looks likely that because of the space dev tool take up and the limit on the current chips for GDDR5 ram, that when the final devkits ship by xmas, they will have 12gb and allow for the full RAM to be utilised... until then it's irrelevant as all the titles for the next year would've been developed believing till a couple of months ago they had a 3GB limit...

[kevnb]

too much is being made about the ram and theoritical performance. the processor is a bit weak in both consoles, its not like they could use 8 gigs of ram effectively for just a game.
At the end of the day, games will look alot better and run alot better on this new hardware, its close to current mid range pc specs but with a weak processor. Console optimizations should make it equal to a nice midrange pc build, I think everyone should be ok with that.

[joefrost00]

I dont why people are suprised remember
Sony ps3 will have a cell 3.2ghz processor and 6 usb ports and a lot other things that never made it to the retail console

[Man-E-Faces]

What a load BS this is, what future App/features will require 3.5gb? Maybe this is a lie to cover up that Sony can't come up with the 8gb? Furthermore what does locking out literally half of your RAM say? It say's to me YOU DID, ARE NOT THINKING AHEAD WHEN YOU CREATED THE PS4! During PS4's birth Cerny etc. should have already been planning/thinking of these NEW features/APPS that would come to fruition in a few years, what this shows me is their playing the copy cat role their waiting for someone else be it Nintendo/Microsoft/Steam etc. to have the next must have APP/feature then with all this RAM their holding back(if it's there) they can shoe horn it in. NO! Spare me the BS of being better prepared for the future, you should have brainstormed this shit from the get go damn it! Lastly if your going to block this much RAM then why in the hell did you opt for the more expensive RAM and have it sit there unused for who knows how long possibly half or the entire life of PS4? Sony would have blown Xbox out of the crapper with their money spent on a better GPU/CPU case in point with not 1 high profile game running at 1080p/60fps. :DISCLAIMER: Take this rant as this rumor being true.

[jairusmonillas]

Rumors before E3 also said PS4 will cost $499 and even $599, it was also rumored PS4 to have DRM and no game sharing.

I can't wait when Sony says we are using 7GB for games in the next conference. lol.

[Cryptcuzz]

What's up with all the disagrees?

This is a rumor and if not, will most likely referring to the Dev kits developers currently have. That is the most logical way this could be true, how else would the OS even need that much reserved. It doesn't add up at all to me.

Either way I am getting a PS4 regardless of the amount of memory that is available to developers.

Everyone is having a field day over something that is yet confirmed. I wonder will there be enough crow available to eat once this is debunked?

[worldwidegaming]

Why do we need 7gb of ram? I can see some futureproofing but most of all i just think they threw the extra ram in case of a rainy day. Thats great! Only problem is people are expecting it to do something day 1. many developers might start programming like they do on the PC and get lazy. I wonder when we will discuss how their special sauce will change gaming as we know it. (cpu/gpu)
How do you use 7gb of ram for a game?
What are the benifits past the 4gb mark?
Something tells me that microsoft had a plan and sony is following suit to keep on top.
Developers will not say "we ran out of ram!" unless its a PR stunt the some other developer will call them on said bs.

[joefrost00]

I find it funny how all the sony fanboys made a big deal about the ram all the way up to a week ago now its no big deal and made fun of the xbox saying all those social side features is pointless and the ps4 is just a gaming console
Turns out just like sony has been doing for the last 7 years ripping off the xbox ideas

[the_hitman3000]

Couldn't we wish for 6 gig for gaming and 2 for os I think that would be a good balance

[Supermax]

But but I thought it was more powerfullllllll.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

What happened to the digital foundry story?! WOW!

[ALLWRONG]

They failed it.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

Damage control

[Supermax]

But but but it's about the indies now yea yea that's it now indies indies more more.

[airshiraz]

3.5 gig for os???????just a f....rumor

[Holeran]

Sorry but I don't buy it. 3 gigs for OS when PS3 took next to nothing? I know they needed a ton more for PS4 but 3 gigs? Give me a break. Wasn't the PS3 OS running like 22mb when a game was running?

[Funky Town_TX]

I agree, but the ps3 could not walk and chew bubble gum. The Ps3 is very slow a everything but gaming.

[Foxgod]

If this is true, then the Ps4 might have some memory issues compared to the Xb1.
Gddr5 is faster then DDr3, but the X1 makes up for it with ESram.
However, Gddr5 has timing problems, and theres nothing in the ps4 to compensate for it.

[CuddlyREDRUM]

Sounds like something a company man would say.

When you are told something is a few times bigger than what was seen already as negative? If you can't understand that...

[Flames76]

I wonder how much sony paid him to say this?Fact is the games are gonna suffer as we seen at the E3 playstation conference when Assassin's Creed crashed and destiny kept freezing along with Watchdogs framrate issues.From all the problems shown with the games so far and all the bad news coming out now i can see why the PS4 is $399.You get what you pay for as the saying goes

[6DEAD6END6]

I have a question isn't 5 GB of GDRR5 faster then 5 GB of DDR3? And how much is the difference?

[Holeran]

Much faster, over double the speed and xb1 32mb esram still wont bring it into the same speed realm of gddr5 ram. The two rams are not even on the same playing field in terms of throughput.

[kakashi81]

they both will awesome in the end just watch!!!

[fsfsxii]

Fanboys in action. An everyday scene

[1nsomniac]

Its the stupidest person to ask in the first place. A small indie developer who's never made a graphically intensive game. What do people expect other than a stupid answer from him!?

"It's only a problem that concerns devs" - well who do devs develop games for?? Customers stupid. So of course it concerns us. That's like Microsoft saying the RROD only concerns them & not the customer. I'm not saying the 2 compare but the responses do.

I think 5.5gbs is plenty but the thing I struggle with is why the OS would need that much in the first place.

[okmrman]

haha
i tell yah

this is so funny to sit and watch :P

[Daz]

Well alot of people just got shot in the face ;/