Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year

GI.biz: Colin Sebastian says supply chain checks show Microsoft's new system gaining momentum, fate of Wii U rests on holiday software lineup

[Abriael]

Dude know so much that he thinks that there's a $50 difference in the price between the two consoles. Go figure.

[buddymagoo]

The thing is Microsoft will ship as many as they can to stores, it doesn't mean they will all sell.

[devwan]

I think they'll sell all they can ship but they just aren't making the right noises to suggest it'll be anything like adequate (hence the limited worldwide roll out).

[nveenio]

"Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year"

Lots of things "COULD" happen. I could start pooping monkey-shaped golden nuggets. It's just not likely.

Though that would be a cool bar trick.

[Cmk0121]

agreed but if people have to wait to play their favorite next gen games they will get whats available sometimes

[nukeitall]

You can't argue with analyst that does this for a living, has inside sources and know where to look.

Also note, about the price. It wasn't the analyst that got it wrong, it was the website!

"[CORRECTION]: This article originally misstated the price gap between the Xbox One and PS4. The mistake was ours, not Sebastian's. We regret the error."

[gaffyh]

MS won't outship Sony if the yield problems are true. It's just not possible. And looking at the unit numbers a lot of retailers have got, it definitely looks like Sony is shipping way more than MS right now.

@nuke - Somehow, that makes his predictions even worse. At least if he thought the gap was $50, then that's not a huge margin in a consumer's mind. But $100 difference, and he thinks it will sell 3:1? Wow, this just shows you, learn to appreciate Pachter. He might be bad, but he's nowhere near as bad as some of these analysts.

[dedicatedtogamers]

It could be true. Microsoft is known for "stuffing the channels". I remember when Kinect came out and it was OMG the FASTEST SELLING (shipping) piece of electronics in the HISTORY OF MANKIND!! And it sold/shipped 10 million in two months...and then four months later Kinect sales were still at 10 million...because Microsoft channel-stuffed.

Then again, there's a lot of evidence that Microsoft is having supply issues.

Either way, anyone confident in Microsoft's ability to launch a reliable console...I pity your ignorance.

[Ju]

MS running the FUD machine again. Nothing new here.

[YNWA96]

@invenio, what kind of sauce would you serve with that?

[nveenio]

I wouldn't eat my golden poop nuggets. I'd save them and melt them down and sell them to a gold exchange and use the money I make to buy an Xbox One... /s

[creatchee]

@dedicatedtogamers

"I remember when Kinect came out and it was OMG the FASTEST SELLING (shipping) piece of electronics in the HISTORY OF MANKIND!! And it sold/shipped 10 million in two months...and then four months later Kinect sales were still at 10 million...because Microsoft channel-stuffed."

And now Kinect is at 25 million. Did they "stuff" an additional 15 million then?

[MysticStrummer]

@Ed

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

Reality says no.

MS has put out more than a few failed products. A quick Google search would show you this.

[Anon1974]

Same analyst who said the Xbox One would retail between $350-$400. I respect the work that analysts do after a decade spent in the brokerage industry but this is just speculation on his part. Saying the Xbox One could possibly have the potential to push out more units doesn't mean that it'll happen. We're already having multiple suppliers reporting they don't have stock of the Xbox One for launch. Certainly interest in the Xbox One is up from it's E3 debacle with DRM, but to what extent? We really have no idea what demand is actually like because no one has revealed any figures on pre-orders or shipments.

[ThanatosDMC]

Ignorant author must have been living under a rock to miss the price by that much.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ edonus

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

"I am not as delusional as the sony zealots are"

Conflicting statements show your hypocrisy, as MysticStrummer pointed out, but oh well.. I'm not expecting any less from a Microsoft apologist. We're not even talking about comparative failure here - we're talking about Microsoft falling short of their plan to completely and utterly dominate the gaming market.

[Sitdown]

@dedicatedtogamers

"Either way, anyone confident in Microsoft's ability to launch a reliable console...I pity your ignorance"

I don't remember, did the original xbox have reliability issues?

[pompombrum]

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well. Their is nothing that suggests otherwise than internet ramblings of sony supporters. "

That's funny, I could have swore I saw multiple news stories in the last week or so claiming the surface wasn't doing that well and has cost Microsoft a fair bit of money.

Also, everytime you blame sony fanboys for all things Microsoft hate, do you actually start to believe it a little bit more?

[GribbleGrunger]

It depends on what the author means by 'outship'. Sony are targeting the WW market but it appears that MS are focusing more on certain regions. We may see many headlines suggesting the X1 is outshipping the PS4, so I hope the balanced amongst us will point out the WW shipment numbers, just to keep it sensible. For instance, how many X1s are MS shipping in Asia, the so called 'second tier' region? (Microsoft's words not mine)

[MasterCornholio]

@EdoNUS

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

Like the surface tablets or the Zune MP3 players right?

Motorola RAZR i

[DragonKnight]

@nukeitall: "You can't argue with analyst that does this for a living, has inside sources and know where to look."

Oh really?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/...

[JokesOnYou]

Abriel, it wasn't his mistake the author corrected it.

"CORRECTION]: This article originally misstated the price gap between the Xbox One and PS4. The mistake was ours, not Sebastian's. We regret the error."
-Brendan Sinclair-Games Industry

gaffyh "MS won't outship Sony if the yield problems are true."

So an analyst who does this for a living says his "supply chain checks show Microsoft's new system gaining momentum" and you respond "if yeild problems are true", hmmm with micro's financial resources and a industry analyst saying his data points to micro having 2-3x unit advantage at launch I know which sounds more creditable.

@Dragonknight, we all know Pachter is wrong because he spends to much time on gametrailers and such doing shows instead of doing his job, you can tell he loves the spotlight more than he does fact checking at Wedbush.

[gaffyh]

@JOY - All evidence points to Xbone having less units than PS4 from several retail stores. GameStop were even offering unlimited preorders for PS4 but not for Xbone. That suggests that there are more PS4s available for preorder already. Unless MS has a massive additional production run, I can't see them catching up to Sony in the amount of units, let alone make 3 times as many!

I mean come on, he might be an analyst, but that's just not possible. MS would have to increase production three or four times.

[malokevi]

"MS won't outship Sony if the yield problems are true. It's just not possible. "

How on earth do you figure that? And how does logic like that get 17 likes and 4 dislikes?

this place never ceases to amaze me.

[fr0sty]

MS was rumored to be having major issues with yields (and costs as well as a result) due to problems with the EDRAM. There is evidence of this in the retail channel already. Many stores are reporting having many more PS4 pre-order allotments per store than XB1. Both Gamestop and Amazon have had more pre-orders available for PS4 than XB1.

That, and analysts are quite often wrong. Especially video game market analysts. This market would have collapsed by now if half the things Pachter predicted ever came true.

So, you can laud his analyst credentials all you want, but it does not change the fact that so far all hard evidence that we can see points to XB1 being the console that is having supply issues. One analyst coming out of nowhere with a ridiculous claim, citing unnamed sources, is not going to convince the rest of the world that what they are seeing evidence of isn't true.

[Ashunderfire86]

If PS4 is sold out first, Then people will feel the pressured to buy Xbox One, because it is also a next gen system. There will always be people who want to get the latest technology, and brag about to their friends.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@edonus and others

Funny how MS fans dismiss internet complains on the matter of sales of a console that initially pushed for an online only policy... Internet people IS the target audience. And seriously, what makes you think that the target audience is not speaking when there has been some hundreds of polls (not all conducted online) all pointing at most people not wanting an Xbox One or out right prefering a PS4?

I'm not saying it won't sell well, specially at first. Of course it will, I'm yet to see a console that don't sell every first units shipped, it's the nature of the business, new stuff sells... It's the long haul everyone is concerned.

Personally, I don't think MS will go into irrelevance like some doom and gloom articles push either, but quite frankly you got to be delusional to think MS is having a good start.

[blind-reaper]

"Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well"

like the Kin and the Zune?

[morganfell]

So the PS4 is launching worlwide but the X1 is launching in a very limited number of territories yet it will outship the PS4.

PS4 spent more time in the pre-order number 1 spots for the US on Amazon, Best Buy, and Gamestop yet the X1 will outship the PS4?

Okay, that's believable.../s.

[gaffyh]

@malokevi - See fr0sty's reply. Thanks fr0sty, was going to reply and say the same thing. I don't get how people don't understand what "yield issues" means, although of course they may not of heard of the supply issues that have been widely rumored.

[morganfell]

"You can't argue with analyst that does this for a living, has inside sources and know where to look. "

Really? One name...Michael Pachter... All the accuracy of a 20 year old Daisy air rifle.

This is one post I am bookmarking so I can come back later and make sure some people do not forget what they said.

[abzdine]

all i wish them is good luck, they're gonna need it

[Saigon]

I thought this was interesting, I searched google for yield issues just for clarification so I wouldn't speak out of term and the first artice that cam up was something from Neogaf:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

The google search:

https://www.google.com/sear...

[Megaton]

Yeah, they've been caught channel stuffing to inflate sales numbers numerous times in the past.

[lemondish]

The problem there is that the EDRAM is actually much harder to source than all that superfluous GDDR5 that was hanging around the industry in preparation for Windows 8.

With the PS4 already cleared via FCC, which is surprisingly early, I don't think Microsoft will have a 3 to 1 lead on shipping. Not even close. I actually expect them to be significantly behind.

[badz149]

I want whatever this analyst is smoking! sounds like a pretty good stuff! meh...scratch that. if Pachter is anything to go by, analyst can be wrong ALL the freaking time and then some and still make money! I want that money instead. please...

[BattleAxe]

"Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year"

Yeah......now back to reality.

[miyamoto]

MS PR dept will keep instilling this erroneous information again and again in the media until it changes the general perception of the PS4 advantage.

We fought this misinformation campaign against the PS3 and we beat M$ eventually but looks like they are at it again.

Its like mixing in flouride with tap water to make American dumber and dumber as the days goes by.

[frankiebeans]

@edonus. "Anything MS puts in the stores is going to sell and sell well."

umm windows 8? nope. argument is pretty much dead nice try trying not to sound like a fanboy and down playing everyone that supports ps4, you sound just like everyone else.

[CommonSense]

I'll be gettin both. Kiss my ass with your console war.

[JackStraw]

PS4 is outselling X1 everywhere.

http://www.amazon.com/best-...

http://www.amazon.de/gp/bes...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/...

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/bes...

http://www.amazon.it/gp/bes...

http://www.walmart.com/brow...

http://www.game.co.uk/en/ha...

X1 is seemingly ahead at walmart, but that's likely because PS4 has multiple consoles being sold.

[mewhy32]

I'm curious to how the pre-order numbers stack up?

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Doubt it. Only ps4 is doing a world wide launch.

MS is betting mostly on the west and USA being the main country.

ps4 is #5 on amazon usa
http://www.amazon.com/best-...
and xbox #55 and going down.
http://www.amazon.com/best-...

On the bright side xbox one has a chance of beating ps4's controller.

Over all I don't trust MS to support core gamers the whole generation. I feel they just need to get them to buy then shift to kinect again.

Who goes out their way to push a camera with a console for $500??

They have yet to prove themselves to give a console long term support with new IP's.

Sony did it with ps2 and now with ps3(gt6, beyond, TLOU, ni no kuni, ratchet & clank etc...). And xbox? gears 4, halo, forza. So ps4 it is for me.

In fact MS are doing the same things over again. Remember when mass effect series & bioshock was xbox only? But still on pc?? Like project spark and titanfall?.

[Godmars290]

Why are people still buying XBL points when MS is getting rid of them?

[trafalger]

"Only ps4 is doing a world wide launch."

that's not what i heard. show me where sony confirmed this.

http://blog.games.com/2013/...

notice how those are the two areas the xbox360 does well in. why is a japanese company not confirming a japan release date first?

[DrRobotnik]

Ps4 #4 now

[Ausbo]

@godmars

Microsoft will be converting all leftover microsoft points into money. So you dont lose anything when they switch over

[Darrius Cole]

Sony should not do a worldwide simultaneous launch anyway. They should release first in the US and Europe, where they will have to compete with the Xbone. They should put as many units in those two markets as they can to prevent the Xbone from building up a big lead there. Once the supply lines are primed and can provide all the units they need, Sony should go into Japan and the other markets. MS should do the same thing.

[drsfinest72]

Ohsorry I didn't know amazon is a credible source for the whole world. You do know theres more than one retailer in the world, right?

[lawgone]

But then if you click "Best Selling in Video Games in 2013" it has PS4 at #3 and XB1 and #6. Most wished for has PS4 #1 and XB1 at #3 and #11 (different versions.) Not sure how all those numbers jive.

[kneon]

@drsfinest72

Amazon is likely to have something similar sales patterns to other retailers so it is a good indicator. And if you checked out Amazon sites for other countries the situation for the xbox one looks quite poor.

[thrust]

Sony paying amazon again a?

Only put this because the article which said xbox one pre orders doing well in game, ps fans said MS whee paying game.

[SniperControl]

@drsfinest72

Erm, you will find that Amazon is the biggest online retailer in the world.

[frankiebeans]

ps move selling better than xbox one lol

[MysticStrummer]

Last I saw, PS4 had 2-3 times as many pre-orders made available in stores, and was still sold out faster than One.

[sensor21]

All consoles will be sold out at launch and if u think otherwise think again.

[MysticStrummer]

@sensor - What does that have to do with what I said?

If PS4 has 60 available preorders per store and One has 20, and by the way those numbers are close to what has been reported, they can both sell out but PS4 will have shipped and sold 3 times as many.

[tuglu_pati]

@MysticStrummer

link or it never happened

[sAVAge_bEaST]

I went to 2 gamestops in my area,. 1st time ,before the ceiling was lifted on ps4. it was 15 xone allotments,.to 28 ps4... then Ps4 allowed more pre-orders. so 40-60, isn't out of the ballpark.

[MysticStrummer]

@tuglu

http://www.expertreviews.co...

That's from about a month ago and it shows PS4 having an even bigger allocation advantage than what I said, but if you look at current Amazon listings both consoles are sold out and PS4 has sold more, which indicates more available at launch.

All those numbers can change between now and launch, hence why I said "Last I saw..."

@Savage - I got that 60 number from this article, which is also about a month old now...

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

[lawgone]

@MysticStrummer...from your first link: "Neither Sony nor Microsoft have indicated how many consoles they are producing for launch day, but GameTrailers' sources suggest that at least one GameStop store has 138 PS4 consoles in its allocation, with 66 actively having been pre-ordered by customers already, to just 18 Xbox Ones." - That's a "GameTrailers' source" who is so well connected he got someone at ONE GameStop to tell him their allocation.

Same for the the other link. Fact is, no one really knows except people very high up in each organization and they are not going to talk unless they want to risk losing a high paying job, for what, to satisfy some fanboy's requests? Come on now. They're both gonna sell like hotcakes.

[MysticStrummer]

@lawgone - Which is why I said "Last I saw...". Of course both are going to sell. I'm just questioning the premise of the article because all indications are that (so far) there are more PS4s allocated for preorder than there are Ones. That means more PS4s will be shipped. There's a long time before launch and the numbers will change for both.

There's another article that said GameStop got 60 PS4s and 16 Ones, but I'm not going to look for it. It's the article I was looking for in response to tugli, but I couldn't remember the search terms that made it turn up before and I erased my history so I settled for the link I posted.

Again, all numbers will change by launch, I'm just questioning this article based on available evidence. With both consoles sold out on Amazon and PS4 having sold more, that implies more PS4s will be available.

[tuglu_pati]

@MysticStrummer

A link with a unknown source is practically a rumor, but nice try.

[JokesOnYou]

Mystic from your own links:

1st link:
"Sony now appears confident that it will be able to handle the demand, with unconfirmed figures suggesting stores are being provided with almost ten times as many PS4 units for pre-order as Xbox Ones."

2nd link;
“Due to high demand, GameStop is not taking additional store reservations for the Xbox One Day One Edition,” a GameStop rep told the site. “However, reservations can still be made [online].

-lol, whos point are you trying to prove? I think the only thing that suggests ps4 has more allocations is Amazons higher preorder rank for ps4, as for totals at other stores who knows but that comes back to like Ive said before the sellout X1 was on a steady incline to closing the gap with ps4 on Amazon and this article points to a rise in allocations overall.

[Fergusonxplainsall]

This is true the Xbox will ship more in US 3 to 1, because they don't sell in other countries well.

So I expect we will have a ton of Xbox one's at retail. Ps4 will be like the original Wii for awhile, where people have to wait for shipments.

Every preorder I've heard of, the PS4 is always almost double that of Xb1..Sad but true.

Even when MS ships elsewhere, if they don't sell they get them back and make bundles to release in the states.

I'll buy a bundle.

[Mikelarry]

yeah i logged on to read article to see how he came to that conclusion and once i saw "$50 difference" i just closed the window and moved on. at the very least get your facts straight before making such a claim

[Rhaigun]

Exactly. This article just screams, "I'm making this all up."

[dmeador]

Maybe you should have continued reading. It was an error on the websites part

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Great to see Sony fans scream out.. ."shipped numbers!!!" when that's all Sony would be giving out this current gen.

LMAO.

[pompombrum]

Great to see another x-tard trying to discredit all the hate as Sony fanboys.

[kenshiro100]

You do realize that Sony must report sale numbers, right?

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Ironic comment from aiBreeze. You sure told me!

@shadowgeist00... where are these Sony sales numbers? They sure don't report NPD numbers anymore. I wonder why?

[Maninja]

Are you serious? GameStop had an unlimited amount of PS4 preorders, and they still sold out. The Xbox One got to a point where you couldn't preorder it in store if you wanted to. The PS4 is doing better all around. Those aren't numbers, that's just logic

[HammadTheBeast]

Amazon US.

PS4 - #4

Xbox One - #52

GG.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

NPD USA...

Xbox 360... 30 months in a row winning sales... Number one console sold overall in the biggest market in the World, USA.

[dmeador]

@Maninja So Gamestop went through the bounds of unlimited? Maybe you need to check that logic

[Seafort]

And #3 worldwide. USA isn't the biggest market in the world, Europe is. It has been for years.

I just wonder what month MS will drop total support for X360 like they did with Xbox.

I say January right after the X180 is launched :)

[Cryptcuzz]

What is the point of going on about NPD numbers? That is only for the U.S, if it is not known to you yet, there is more to the world then just the U.S. Europe alone would cancel or even be a little more in terms of potential sales then the U.S.

On top of that, last I checked, the PS3 is ahead of the 360 in terms of total WORLDWIDE sales.

That leaves the 360 in dead last in overall sales. So what exactly is your point again?

[MysticStrummer]

@Midnighter - It's pretty bizarre that you're bringing up 360 NPD numbers in an article about PS4 and One, especially since it's common knowledge that PS3 has outsold 360.

Look at Amazon numbers for NA and see which console, PS4 or One, has sold more so far. Then look at Amazon numbers for the rest of the world. The One doesn't even show up in the top 100 in some EU territories.

Saying XBox One could outship PS4 at all, much less 3 to 1, is like saying the human race will make contact with extraterrestrials. It could happen, but so far there is no real evidence to support that claim.

@tugli #1.3.8 - "A link with a unknown source is practically a rumor, but nice try."

Sure man, just ignore that the article links to Wall Street Journal and GameTrailers. lol

[TheFanboySlayer]

The USA is where the biggest market is but PS$ outsold them everywhere else sooooooo it is pretty even but sony have outsold xbox according to vgchartz but vgchartz doesnt update their numbers that quickly so it may be different. All I can say is that they are dead even

Edit: I posted late you guys already told him the facts. good job lol

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

I brought up NPD numbers because other dude brought up Amazon USA numbers. One group of USA numbers deserves another.

[jatakk]

@hamad..

The amazon sales you're reporting is a bit off! If you see total sales so far in 2013 the ps4 is #3 and one is #6

Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

GG

[kenshiro100]

Sony isn't obligated to report to NPD. They report to their shareholders.

You fail again.

[karl]

how can u feel any pride on that?

a year headstart and it still loses to sony

how crippled is MS loosing with such an advantage..

and ps3 was really unpopular cuz of bad marketting and a high price..

now ps4 is seen as the most powerful console with a cheaper price and launching on the same month probably

u gotta be stupid to think MS is gonna win this one..

[jetlian]

EU isnt bigger than NA when it comes to sales by system

eu ps3/360= 31.26/ 24.39 total 55.65
NA ps3/360= 26.84/ 44.20 total 71.04

[B-radical]

In australia its a 50 dollar diff

[allformats]

That analyst guy is ridiculous and his "supply chain" sources are misguided. Or maybe he's just another MS shill paid to spew out positive MS hoopla.

Because he's making no sense whatsoever.

In fact, from all we've heard, PS4 units have been outnumbering Xbox One at every outlet, even to the point of Sony telling GameStop to "open the floodgates".

[Maninja]

And GameStop ran out a couple weeks later. Goes to show how much people prefer it over the Xbox One, which can't even be preordered in store anymore

[SpitFireAce85]

Keyword "could" but very doubtful it might put up a fight in the US rest of the world no chance.

[thorstein]

It is gamesindustry.biz This site used to be industrygamers but changed the name because no one listened to them. Seems like we need to ignore them again.

[Pain]

I Want his time machine!!!!

[tuglu_pati]

He's not saying it will but that it could, no time machine needed for that.

[Pain]

@ Tuglu in my old age lol i say this to people that make crap up " I'll believe it when i see it until then words are just like a fart in the wind"

[JoySticksFTW]

"I Want his time machine!!!!"

Not I.

Mess around and end up in some weird arse alternate dimension where Kinect becomes sentient, initiates Prism Phase 2, overthrows humanity, and rewrites all history books to detail Xbone's 3-1 victory over Sony and other propaganda to control the masses, leaving only the Sony Defense Force and the last remnants of the Nintendo Brotherhood to fight against them.

No thanks.

[falcon97]

Maybe xbox 1 will outsell ps4 but how many consumers are buying it for gaming ???it's a cable box with a seperate 360 controller ?? hardly game focused...

ps4/wiiu will have the best attatch rate,wiiu has already got 5 titles that have between 15% and 25% of the total number of consoles sold ?? and lots more with around 5% so attach rate is big on wiiu,and will be just the same on ps4,xbox 1 wont have good attach rates when it comes to games....my opinion.

[tuglu_pati]

Same thing could be said about the pS3 and Bluray. But i guess its not the same with PS3, right.

[JeffGUNZ]

@ Falcon97. Hardly game focused? Really? Every credible source at E3 stated MS had much better games then PS3 at that conference. How could you even say something like that? Ryse, Halo 5, Killer Instinct, Forza, Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Quantum Break, they don't look like games to you? Oh wait, what about Watchdogs, BF4, COD Ghosts, Assassins Creed, Destiny? Yeah, the Xbox One will have no games and are clearly not game focused. Do some of you people even think before you type the BS floating around your heads?

[kneon]

It's not a cable box, it's a cable box peripheral.

[clrlite]

Either way this reeks of more PR or bias.

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah, the PR machine is working overtime for sure.

[erathaol]

Quality over Quantity

399 over 499

Transistor over Apathy for Indie Games

Concern of consumer support over Putting more consoles than the market needs during 1st adoption

[MariaHelFutura]

Go to any retail store that sells games and ask for yourselves. They'll tell you what they tell me, there is far more interest in the Ps4 and it has more preorders by alot. Microsoft seems to be kind of rushing things (like the 360) based on the nvidia cards, the faked Kinect demo, almost all the games were 360 games, Forza is being released unfinished and when the began conceptualization on the console. In the end, they can rush out and ship as many consoles as they want it'll be the same result in the end.... them getting outsold by a Playstation platform. Which is why they're rushing, they are scared of the Playstation brand and wish they had a console like the Ps2. They don't want to be embarrassed again like this gen having a year handicap. They needed that handicap to even be competitive.

[nypifisel]

It's a pretty stupid article overall with no research at all. If one were to go on allotments alone the PS4 got a way bigger supply than the X1. And that's not even taking in the fact that there are some pretty solid rumours of yield problems concerning the X1, which would hamper supply even more.

[3-4-5]

How can the XB1 outship the PS4 when for every 1 XB1 pre-ordered there are 20 PS4's ?

Most gamestops that are full in terms of pre-orders have about:

PS4 - 60-120

XB1 - 16-30

That is roughly the difference in pre-orders.

So how can it outsell it?

The only way I could think of is if Microsoft has a deal with every company it does business with to purchase 1-5 or 5-10 XB1's for their "office" for "work" purposes.

They use this "stat" to say " people are using this for other than gaming...see! "

But really they are back door deals or actually THEY, microsoft will pay these people to say they are using their product for their workspace.

Microsoft really wants this to be a more than games device.

[insomnium2]

I can't wait to see the sales. The x-fans will end up with an egg on their face once again. This time there isn't even that much competition between the two. PS4 will most likely lead by 5 million console after the first year. The sales for XBone will flatline after 6 months guaranteed. Unless ofc MS does something drastic and drops the price by 100 dollars after getting beat up 6 months straight.

I cannot wait.

[H0RSE]

Your flaw is not realizing that pre-orders do not account for the majority of overall sales. That is how Xbox could potentially outsell ps4.

[JLT-Sandwitch]

Possible he was looking at the prices of a diferent country. Here in Australia the rrp of a ps4 is $549 and xbox1 $599. If you said $50 price difference, here you'd be correct

[kickerz]

In Australia there is a $50 gap. Xb1 = $599 and PS4 = $549

[CEOSteveBallmer]

In the U.S. of A maybe?? But how about the rest of the world?? 4 words!! " I Don't Think So"

[avengers1978]

Everything in the press and around the net indicates it will be the other way around and PS4 will out ship XB1... Not sure were these people are pulling this from.

[nosferatuzodd]

indeed Microsoft is in full swing with there propaganda now there paying lots of journalist to write crappy articles look at these post Microsoft sales are through the roof Microsoft is going to win next gen Microsoft is going to out ship ps4 3 to 1 lol and the Xbox fans are eating it up

[slampunk]

There is only $50 between them in Australia!!!

[gwendolyn1alexander]

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[gwendolyn1alexander]

If you think Michael`s story is cool..., in the last month my old neighbour made $5446 sitting there sixteen hours a week from there house and the're classmate's step-mother`s neighbour has done this for eight months and broght in over $5446 in their spare time from there pc. apply the guide at this address.,,,///........,....... ... http://Day34.com

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Whatever ms puts in stores will sell and sell well

Say hi to the zune , win8, and windows phones lol

[showtimefolks]

on gaming sites its hard to judge how a console will sell, because we the core gamers will buy it for whatever the price is. But with it comes to casual gamers and or families saving $100 is gonna play a huge role into their purchasing decision

i am interested in finding out how well ps4 sells in the west but i believe it will sell a lot more in Europe and japan because that's where its sony sells strong

[miyamoto]

The truth is not the same with the little lies M$ makes up and let slide in.

That is how M$ damage controls in the media until it rolls into a snow ball effect.

For example the omission of the PS Eye from the PS4 core SKU. M$ PR dept are some crafty snakes. That let lies slide in subliminally.

Now a lot of anti-PlayStation websites use this rumor as gospel truth even if Sony made it official that motion control games are not part of the core PS4 gaming initiative.

[LOGICWINS]

Great news.

[bicfitness]

The man is high on glue and doesn't even know that there is a $100(NOT "$50" - as stated in the article) difference between the two. Not to mention every piece of manufacturing info we've had access to has Sony in the lead for production units. They even registered and cleared with the FCC sooner. So this whole outlook is pure balderdash.

[Thehyph]

Just to add: there is a POSSIBILITY that given what we know right now, ps4 MAY beat Xbox One to the market.

[PopRocks359]

Not that I agree with him but maybe he's an Xbox fan? That's probably why he would see it as good news.

[HammadTheBeast]

Great news that Xbox One could outship PS4? Can you explain?

[LogicStomper]

Either

a) He likes Xbox.
b) He likes the fact that Xbox may sell well.
c) He is trying to do the so called "stealth trolling"

But just think about how silly everyone here sounds. We are the consumers, we only want the games and console. So why should any of us care which system sells more? They're both good consoles so I don't see why everyone must bash people who use the other system.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

LOGICWINS + 9h ago
Great news

wow thats all you had to say? u read a headline and take it immediatley as fact? LOGICFAILS

[Need4Game]

Xbox One "could" outship PS4 3-to-1 this year.

[devwan]

Yeah, if the boats from China sink on the way, that's about the only way it'll happen

[torchic]

don't give Microsoft any ideas.

[wishingW3L]

lol

[faysal]

cool story bro..

[Wizziokid]

Wait so shipping numbers, well predictions, are now classed as news?

[Darrius Cole]

At least if it was Michael Pachter we would know that there is a 3 to 1 chance that it is wrong and we could use it as a very good indicator of what was NOT going to happen. But a random prediction from an unknown dude who is mistaken on the relevant prices...., that is as useless as it gets.

[MoveTheGlow]

Yes, and the astute observation that the WiiU's "fate" is based on the holiday software lineup.

Come on, really? They're not competing with Xbone and PS4, that isn't their plan - no matter how many times they have to say otherwise on news programs and in press conferences. They're sitting on an HD-friendly box until actual good games come out for it, and the big ones are mostly coming next year.

It'll probably sell well as a secondary console once the price drops and we see some new Zelda / Metroid action. It's going to be a prolonged "launch" or arrival of sorts, just like how the 3DS was "OMFG DOOMED" for like two years, and then boom, cash cow and awesome game delivery device.

They didn't compete with the iPad, iPhone, or the Vita for market share - they simply stood there, enlisting the help of Intelligent Systems and Atlus, and said "These games are on this system. If you like these games, pick up a 3DS. By the way, it's cheap now." It worked so well with the Fire Emblem/Animal Crossing one-two punch, and now all the "Nintendo should make a phone! Nintendo should be a third-party!" people have hushed up with a very recent giant stock uptick because the 3DS has boomed. Heck, the first "real" 3DS Pokemon has yet to arrive and we're already seeing this thing rise back up.

I don't see this playing out differently.

[n4rc]

But articles saying ps4 will outsell Xbox 3-1 are acceptable?

Neither should be posted.. Its crap speculation that does nothing but stirs up sh!t..

Nobody can know what the eventual sales will be.. Until we see them

[devwan]

"But articles saying ps4 will outsell Xbox 3-1 are acceptable?"

A littl emore acceptable, yes, because they're at least based on numbers available for pre-order in stores, not just picked out of someone's backside like this "news".

[n4rc]

There is nothing confirmed about number of available preorders

Choosing to believe a rumor isn't proof of anything.. Nobody knows anything except ps4 is ahead at amazon.

Physical stores will dominate sales of hardware IMO.. Nobody wants their shiny new console thrown on a ups truck that may or may not show up on release day

[tuglu_pati]

@devwan

the double standard master XD

[LogicStomper]

"A littl emore acceptable, yes, because they're at least based on numbers available for pre-order in stores..."

Dude, it isn't any more acceptable. Read n4rc's comment again, do you see the message behind his comment???

" does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. "
" does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. "
" does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. "

So how is a reversed article any more acceptable when it is written for the exact same purpose which " does nothing but stirs up sh!t.. ".

I hope this gets the message through to you.

[rainslacker]

@N4rc

True nothing is confirmed, but there is plenty of secondary evidence to suggest that the PS4 is outpacing the X1 in pre-orders. From that one could infer it's launch sales. It really isn't a good way to indicate lifetime sales though. The Wii U should be evidence of that.

Also, you do realize that retail sellers still get their individual units shipped by UPS unless they have their own distribution trucks. GameStop gets 2 shipments a week for various goods.

Otherwise, physical stores will dominate, because that's the nature of retail. However, amazon is a large enough seller to infer based on statistical analysis. It'll be skewed since exact numbers aren't available. GameStop pre-orders though have numerous reports of having about 3 times the allotment/pre-ordered PS4's over X1. This has been the case since the day after the reveal. I won't even get into all the polls to date.

There was a pretty big thread on NeoGaf about people's anecdotal evidence based on their questioning at their local GameStop, and most comments seem to fall in line with that number today. It's probably worth dismissing if it was one random article, but it's been a slew of people all reporting pretty much the same thing. I doubt all of them are joining in some massive conspiracy.

[Maninja]

GameStop has clearly chosen to support PS4 over Xbox One, and it's clear that there are more preorders for the PS4 there

[_QQ_]

Why has a multi million dollar company not hired this expert analyst yet?

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

I could understand if this was just a direct opinion but even his opinion is flawed by not even knowin the price difference :/

I doubt Microsoft will have = or more than Sony units due to the set backs they have recieved and how Sony has already cleared FCC for the consumer model

[Phene]

I'm a Sony owner/buyer, and I think Xbox dropped the hell out of the ball on their conference. And even though the PS4 is more technically advanced, and cheaper [and has better games ..lol let me be a fanboy] ...I wouldn't be naive as to think *the xbox* wont sell incredibly well. Does Sony have an edge after the whole debacle, absolutely. Is the future of Xbox in jeopardy, not even remotely.

[iceman06]

This...I totally agree with. I believe that both consoles will sell out initially. I believe that Sony will have an edge after the sell out, just due to the fact that there are some angry ex-Xbox fans. However, I also believe that the mass market doesn't read this stuff everyday. They don't care or even know about DRM, always on, or any of the other issues that are now non-issues. Personally, I really don't care as long as I get my console of choice on launch day!

[Ron_Danger]

This article goes against every preorder and poll article that has been around since each reveal. Especially since PS4 ranks #3 in amazon.com's top video game sellers list for 2013 and XBox One is #6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

And they are both sold out so those numbers are set in stone

[Mikeyy]

Well that's funny because all the people that post and work in retail are all telling us they received double the supply of ps4s for preorder then xb1...

And according to amazon they appear to be correct.

[Rai]

how do people get these jobs if they cant get the simple facts correct..50$ price gap, no information gathering at all..

[Burrito26a]

Satirical article?

[DoesUs]

No, just no.

[jackdaddy]

Rubbish.

[DiRtY]

This won't end well...

[amuadiv]

I was under the impression that xbox one was having lower than expected yields with their esram. How they will be able to even out ship Sony is beyond me.

[CC-Tron]

You believed the rumors didn't you? Don't. MS already confirmed on twitter long ago that there aren't any yield issues. There's a lot misinformation out there.

[Clarence]

You believe M$ would tell that the Xbox 1 is having yield issues? I guess you believed M$ when they said that the 360 didn't have any issues. RROD got to big for them to hide.

[Death]

Your impression was based on speculation of pre-production yields. This is a normal part of the manufacturing process. Actual console production starts closer to launch so systems aren't sitting in storage.

[amuadiv]

I wonder why ms is only allocating smaller numbers of xone pre orders then? You would think they would want to match or surpass ps4 units avalibe for pre order.

[babis1974]

someone was drinking before writing...

[kenshiro100]

This made me laugh for some reason.

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Lets wait for official numbers before trusting some 'analyst'. Right now their are much more Ps4's allotted to stores than Xbones, this rumor also goes against every other one including the "yield issues".

[zippycup]

but if they wait they wont have awesome news like this to post

im thinking of making my own gaming web sites so i can fill it whit news like this

staring now

i predict there's going to be a game this year that is going to be called game of the year

also sony and Microsoft are going to sell a lot of consoles

but pc enthusiasts are stil going to say that there $2.000 dollar gaming rig whit the video card that cost more than both consoles put together has better graphics

[JokerBoy422]

You my friend win the internet

[Dan_scruggs]

Microsoft is going to purposefully have a limited supply to increase demand. It's pretty common business practice.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

But it seems to create more demand for ps4. lol
Only one console launching in india in 2013..

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

Also they taking pre orders in the middle east now.

[Dan_scruggs]

Exactly. Sony want everyone to have a PS4 in their house asap. That will keep the momentum up against Microsoft. Imagine the headlines. PS4 sells X amount over Xbox. Followed by even more Xbox is doomed articles. Sony is taking into account the gaming cultures obsession with sales data. Witch will be heavily in PS4's favor for the first year or so.

Xbox is going to try to artificially drum up demand by intentionally limiting the supply while Sony is taking the exact opposite approach.

[PopRocks359]

The only thing I must ask is this; how much better does the PS4 need to do in pre-orders and in PR before predictions like these stop? It just seems so odd that PS4 has done so well and Xbox One has done nothing but piss people off and yet all I hear from analysts is how much better the Xbox will do.

I don't know, maybe I'm going crazy here, but these sorts of posts sounds like a bunch of crap.

[JokerBoy422]

Most "analysts" think Micro$oft will win because they think consumers will stay with the company that was in the lead this last generation aka Xbox 360. They dont realize the gaming community is a different breed of consumers.

[EffectO]

So MS fixed their problems,interesting.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Yes....now thy're ready to dominate.

[JokerBoy422]

Out shipping is much different then out selling.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Lmaooooo!!!!!

[windblowsagain]

I fully expect the one to sell 50 to 100 in japan.

[clouds5]

So nintendo needs a strong lineup while he doesnt even mention the xbox lineup? And it will sell more just because they have more units in the stores than ps4? So according to their statements the xbox one will sell like crazy even though it has a mediocre game line up, its the most expensive console (but not the best hardware) and they openly tell US the potential early adopters lol you idiots will buy our shit anyway no matter how much we charge for it.

Omg. I kinda wish xb1 failz just because of how ignorant their statements are.

[ebreda]

Mediocre? With Forza 5 in it, it will never be mediocre.

By the way, which 2 extra games the PS4 has that makes you think it's gotten a much better line up? The fantastic Killzone that never sold well to begin with or the amazing Knack that's a completely new and unknown IP?

Cause Cod, BF4, AC4, Watchdogs, Fifa and Madden will be in both systems. And Xbox has Forza 5, best rated racing game for the last 5 years or so.

IMO, Xbox's lineup looks better, if only for Forza 5.

[arkard]

To bad for someone who doesn't like racing games and couldn't care less about them, Forza isn't really that big of a game changer.

[clouds5]

Yes. One game, even if its a good game, is not a good line up for me. Thats exactly what i'm saying. I don't say PS4 has a better line up. They both pretty much suck and that's always the case with new systems ;) And it's the reason i won't buy neither console on day one. Maybe in 1-2 years when the first price drop comes around and we know exactly what we are getting into (restriction and feature wise) when we buy one...

And Forza on Xbox brings a tear to my eye everytime i think about it. There are people that have fully equipped racing sim equipment for the PC and Microsoft decides to make their amazing racing game exclusive and force you to play with a shitty gamepad (every gamepad is shitty for racing sims). It's just SAD.

[cyclindk]

Something spooky though... couple guys I work with were talking about consoles and junk, don't know jack really about any of the negative publicity at all or criticisms...

REALLY wouldn't be surprised if ignorance once again prevails.

[Lboogieskells]

I was just thinking this, outside of the hardcore gamers no one really knows what went down at E3. I have faith the gamers will plant the seed.

[fr3d0]

Colin Sebastian is on crack

[kingmushroom]

Buying a Xbox 1 would cost $540 compared to Buying a PS4 at $440, why pay a extra $140 on the xbox 1 when games on it are multi plat, or not that impressive exclusives.
plus headsets are not compatible unless you purchase the new ones.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

not disputing your argument about value of the cheaper cost but your math does appear to be off unless you are factoring in something else for $40 to add on to the cost difference? Last I checked $540 was only $100 more than $440.

[kingmushroom]

Tax, plust paying $100 more for a next gen console when a PS4 is minus $100. now that i think about it since the xbox is $500, tax could be higher than $40 since the more something costs the higher the tax.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@kingmushroom... I see. But the taxes would apply to both consoles. Where I live we have an 8.25% sales tax So the $500 console becomes $541, the $400 console becomes $433 So the difference would be $108.00 Basically still $100.

[kingmushroom]

ok i see what you mean. 8.25% what!! ? tax in California is a pain in the ass where i live tax is at 9.00% and the neighboring city has tax at 10.00%

[LogicStomper]

Ever heard of the concepts preference and opinion?

[kingmushroom]

That's why PS4 is my preference and i have just stated my opinion. just like everyone else has a right to.

have a good one

[R17]

Great prediction, very valid points as well

[Maninja]

That's sarcasm right?

[rmedtx]

In the corporate world "shipped out" in the books can be achieved by loading trailer containers and getting them out of the parking lot. "Shipped out" does not by any means represent "sold" units.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I totally agree, there is a big difference between shipped to stores (which most console makers use for their "sold numbers" these days) and actual sell through to a consumer. This is one area I wish the industry could come to an agreement on in terms of what can be publically stated as "sold" for investors and such.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This wont be a popular post but you cant just look at North America and UK preorders and say "this guy is wrong". Sony is launching their console in 2013 in N. America and the Europe confirmed... and thats it at this point. On top of that we don't really know what kind of allocations they have planned for Europe as UK seems to be the main focus and I believe France but beyond that we don't really know which European countries are being supported. MS is launching in 21 territories world wide in 2013. Allocations for N. America and the UK very well may be smaller than that of Sony but globally they very well may have more units in the pipeline.

link for recent Sony launch plan: http://www.computerandvideo...

Link to Microsofts confirmed 2013 territories: http://www.el33tonline.com/...

[Jiggy7d]

LOL cannot fairly describe how dumb the author of this article is.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

So Playstation just filed their FCC paper work, with "Made in China", and "Made in Japan"- if it is what it seems,.. then they have 2 production lines going,.. (I want a made in Japan Ps4) ----any way, with Sony being this far ahead in the process, and this high of a demand,.. I don't see this happening. _Sony is way more prepared, and will ship way more units.

[Bhuahahaha]

lol nice move

i foresee a scenario like this

gamer: do you still have ps4 in stock?
clerk: sorry sir all sold out, want a xbone?
gamer: ah how come you still got lots of xbone on shelf?
clerk : yes, sir cough cough well you see compare to sony microsoft out ship xbone like 3:1 ahem ahem it doesnt mean people arent buying this shit. hehehehe
gamer: okay gimme a wii u

[gnothe1]

I remember seeing articles where it showed the xbox 360 version of a game had more PRE ORDERS than the PS3 versions an the sony fanboys would say pre orders don't matter or who pre order anyway an that thats not an indication on how the games gonna sell...now that the PS4 currently has more PRE ORDERS. they suddenly matter...

[Lboogieskells]

***coughing + sneeze** "Bullsh*t"

[EffectO]

Not sure why all the rage about this.Pricing mistake was GI error and analyst said this

"our supply chain checks suggest Microsoft may have the benefit of a 2-3x unit advantage at launch compared to Sony's PS4."

Analyst firm sources vs internet posters anecdotal data...tough choice

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Not going to happen.

The X1 APU is larger. All silicone wafers have multiple flaws, no way around that. With the X1 APU being larger means less APU's per wafer, and lower number of good APU's per wafer. This in itself means the PS4 will have more parts available for manufacturing. Only the blind and uninformed will disagree with solid logic.

[McScroggz]

I just find this hard to believe. Microsoft absolutely started work on the Xbox One much later than Sony, and with all of the rumors of yield problems and tinkering with the console to backtrack on certain issues I just don't understand how Microsoft could ship more.

I'd be even more worried if this were true, honestly. It would mean Microsoft is rushing production. They rushed the original Xbox 360. That's all I'm saying...

[Destrania]

This is a joke article, right? Everything we've seen so far as far as pre-sale allocation numbers is that Xbone is ridiculously far behind.

[AJ Hartley]

Ship as many as you want youve got to sell them afterall.

[Krosis]

The comments on this site are awesome. **Buzz Lightyear** "Virgins...virgins everywhere! "

[ShwankyShpanky]

...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[My_Outer_Heaven]

This article is bullcrap, I've written better stuff than this.

[monkey602]

Irelands store alocations stand 3 to 1 in favour of the ps4 at the moment. I think they got a little mixed up in the article title.

[Saleem101]

Lol... ps4 out selling xbox one. 3-1

[H0RSE]

What happens if he's right, and X1 does wind up outselling PS4, perhaps not initially, but over the course of the generation? Perhaps it's my cynical/sadistic side coming through, but I would love for X1 to outsell PS4, just to see the reaction PS4 fans would have, and read their reasoning and justification.

The extra $100 seems to be a big argument PS fans bring up as to why it won't sell as much, and Colin makes a good point: (which I stated in a different post)

"the $100 price gap between the Xbox One and PS4 won't matter as much in the launch window as the core audience of early adopters are less likely to balk at paying a premium for the system they want."

People are going to buy what they want. the extra $100 is mainly only going be a deciding factor for those strapped for cash, or receiving a console as a gift. People who can go out and pay for what they want, are going to buy what they want.

If you really think all the negative issues brought up about the X1, from the "big brother" kinect, to the extra $100, to the inferior hardware, etc. is really going to be enough to stifle MS's sales, and have PS4 reign as the untouchable king of the gaming realm, you are living in a dream world.

This happens time and time again with bad press and shoddy business practices - At first the events will do their damage, but after the fires die down and the smoke clears, those who were around for it, will largely stop caring and others, like those who don't pay attention to gaming news or forums (a lot of the playerbase) will have little to no knowledge of what ever happened. X1's will continue to be manufactured and sold, and MS will make lots of money, regardless if they outsell Sony or not.

[Funnymonkey013]

Lol yeah more like ps4 will outsell the shitty X1 in its life time heck I find it funny that 360 came first and still got beatin by ps3 even though it came a year later. Not only that but how many 360 sold aren't even the real consoles number sold cause of the red ring I'm guessing way less then ps3 by the real numbers without counting the red ring of death consoles MS sucks and Sony rules over them when it comes to games and pretty much anything else really. And go ahead xbox morons give me ur dislike cause I know ur just butthurt that its true:)

[D-riders]

what planet is this guy on, really 3 to 1 they are already down 3 to 1. also most of the hardcore are not supporting ms for the bull they keep trying to pull and there arrogance. I had 16 xbox 360 and am not buying an xbox1 so i dont know where he is getting this from.

[H0RSE]

1. If they are already down 3 to 1 (source please) then winning 3 to 1 would be that much more of a win. Why is commendable that PS3 came from behind and eventually won, but when the thought of X1 doing essentially the same thing, it's all BS?

2. Using the basis that many of the "hardcore's" are not supporting MS, doesn't really amount to as much as you think, since most sales are not contributed by "hardcore" gamers.

3. Where is he getting his information from? well, perhaps you need to know more about the man first -

Colin Sebastian is Baird’s senior equity research analyst covering Internet and Interactive Entertainment. He also spent six years at Lazard Capital Markets having established the company’s Internet and Video Game research practice, and worked as an investment banker at JP Morgan. He was a business analyst, software developer and a co-founder and CFO of Detacuche.com.

Colin appears frequently in the financial and industry press, including CNBC, Bloomberg, CNN, Wall Street Journal, and Financial Times, among others. He graduated with honors from Vanderbilt University and with an MBA in Finance from the Anderson School at UCLA.

So to answer your question, he is likely getting his information from sources other than gaming sites and opinions from forums...

I'm not saying he is right or wrong, but based on his achievements and credentials, I will at least give him the benefit of the doubt.

Something important to consider, is that we are not talking about which console is better - we are talking sales, and sales don't care how they are made. System specs, ethics and even common sense have much smaller impact here. PS4 might have superior hardware and lower initial price, but if someone buys an X1 because they think it smells better than the PS4, that's a sale MS got that Sony didn't, despite it's strong selling points.

[gdguide]

The price difference alone is enough to squash any chance of that. Remember the momentum Sony had going in from the PS2 to the PS3? Way more momentum than the Xbox1 has with the 360. Sony released the PS3 at a higher price and the Xbox 360 at around $400. Price won easily.

$500 is not a sweet spot by any means. $400 is getting there.

This isn't even factoring the huge PR blunders MS have made or the fact that the PS4 is so developer friendly.

If anyone thinks the X1 will sell more than the PS4 at $500, they are nuts.

That said, the PS4 won't necessarily trounce the X1 in the first year. But at best, the X1 will sell the same amount as the PS4 or slightly more. At worst, the PS4 could outsell it 2-1.

$400 = a lot more parents buying the PS4 for Christmas than a $500 X1 period.

[PS3PWNSALL]

Making that jump to Xbox One this gen. Glad to hear this news.

[BG11579]

Are these the analyst that said that the consoles would cost between 300 and 349$? (Wrong!)
Are these the analyst that said that this generation wouldn't overcome the numbers of the previous generation?
Are these the analyst that said that these would be the last console?
I think these analyst should get a real job, because has analist, their future ain't looking to bright...

[Stsonic]

What can you expect with a domain like .biz

[SpinalRemains138]

Ship 50 mil.

Its still the inferior, more expensive machine with less exclusives, and variety in those exclusives.

PS4 is the best console there is and a vast majority of the global gaming community know it.

If the One is indeed stocked a lot more than ps4, it will not affect the market that much. Everyone still wants the PS4.

[ballisticvoodoo]

This article is nothing more than click whoring and is grounded in zero fact.

[kingduqc]

I don't see sony ganing the market share they had with ps2 but xbox will celarly not get 3:1 sold unit.

To ba fair I could not care less about next gen sale figure or even the consoles themselves, they are glorified last gen with spec of my mom's computer.

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

God lawd Sony fan boys are just as bad here as Xbox fanboys.....

Why can't you just play good games for good games and f the numbers what difference does it lake to you? Are you going to go home and write a essay on how one game console outsold the other :/

[kryteris]

What ever happened to ESRAM poor yields? 3 to 1? LMFAO!

[KontryBoy706]

yup in neverneverland

[IceKoldKilla]

Stop arguing people! You argue about stupid little news about someone you don't really know that well. Analysts like to talk as much as they can to get attention. Doesn't matter if it'll be true. All they want is for you to argue and have this predictions viewed online as much as possible. Shipping numbers aren't sales numbers, that's a fact. We don't have ANY numbers with pre-orders or shipping numbers as of yet. And I mean worldwide. Both Sony and M$ have to announced more features and a release date so wait for after Gamescom and then Tokyo Game Show (for Sony I guess because I doubt M$ will do anything there) and once October comes THEN start pointing out facts and smart predictions.

[Rockstar_5]

I wouldn't waste my breath on trolls bro their
not actual gamers either just under aged children who's view make laugh so hard

[Rockstar_5]

Wow Sony fanboys butt hurting on this article the truth does hurt ..we know

Disagree all you want but living in dream world like you do reality will hit you sometime very soon

And please stop bragging the Ps4 line up isn't that great either

[unicron7]

We don't even know their full lineup yet. They've revealed maybe 1/3 of their first year releases....so whatever. Microsoft has already unveiled everything they have to offer. We'll see this launch/first year period.

I personally like that I am getting better hardware at a lower cost and am not getting a useless camera forced on me. Having options as a consumer is awesome. I honestly can't believe the amount of MS fans that are going to buy an XB1 after MS just tried to throw them under the bus. I guess brand loyalty knows no bounds.

[unicron7]

lol

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[TheObserver]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Confirmed as TRUTHFACT already that Xbone is having yield issues with a nearly 100% accuracy record from insider CBoaT. In order to achieve this supposed 3 to 1 against Sony, MS options are: A) To throw ridiculous amount of money to brute force the yield % and suffer heavy loss rates in manufacturing chips. B) Down clocking their APU to increase yield % resulting in a even more gimped GPU. This was speculated to further giving the PS4's GPU MORE of a power advantage. Up to 100% more power in fact, twice the processing power. C) Delay the launch of Xbone to work out all the kinks in their fabrication process.

Yield issue stems from the fact that the eSRAM on the Xbone is big. And big chips cost more materials, have more probability for errors during manufacturing. In the PS3, the Cell supposed to have 8 SPEs, but only 7 are actually utilize. The PS4 GPU actually have 20 computes unit, but 18 are utilized. 2 of them is extra insurance. Sony is smart, they have an extra SPU and compute units to ensure that yield is good even if any one of them is defective. MS shows yet again they are not hardware designers, there is no extra insurance known for their eSRAM during the production process.

I have no information on what their yield rates are, but here is a rudimentary example. Let assume that MS have all yield rate at 90% except the eSRAM is giving them trouble at 70%.

90% CPU x 90% GPU x 70% eSRAM = 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.7 = 0.567 ~ 56.7% Yield

As you can see, having a bigger chip with more components quickly bring the percent yield down. Nearly half the chip have defective components and cannot be used.

All options to match Sony are stupid. MS don't like taking losses. Both downlocking to retarded level and giving the PS4 a year head start is just suicide. The only logical choice is to work with what they have now.

All technical, analytical, and logical conclusions is that the Xbone will have lower supply. The author is ill-informed.

[SephirothX21]

PS4 has the better hardware and exclusives. X1 has better and faster online for games. PS4 has the MMO advantage though. PS4 is my console of choice but I think most people that primary played 360 over PS3 will get X1. Though I think PS4 will sell more consoles and MS will lose a lot of customers to PS4.

[Gamer666]

Really the argument is that MS will have more supply than Sony...

Could be true, then again it could be false, or the other way around.

[kupomogli]

"Xbox One could outship Sony 3-1 this year."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMi b1T4T4

Several reports have said that Gamestop preorder supply is 3-1 in favor of PS4. Amazon is sold out of both products when it comes to day one, the PS4 with the stock there as well. Even if the PS4 has less stock, I doubt it'd be even 2-1 for Microsoft.

[SynestheticRoar]

GI.biz why would you let one of your writer's smoke crack. Then proceed to write this nonsence.

[TheKayle1]

1 aestethic of xb1 is better than the ps4 (also if i think that both could be 100% better)

2 xb1 have the kinect with it

3 xb1 have better launch line up and graphically are right now superiors than ps4 games (yes is true guys sorry)

xb1 will sell as much as ps4 or better..coz ms marketing is always better than sony

[BG11579]

Just love when guys say stuff like this :
1) Both console look like shit, but xbox looks better?? Better what, I ask? s...
2) Yeah Kinect!? Wait what, kinect!?! NSA, prism, list of entreprises that have giving info to the NSA and all that...
3) Have you seen all the games that are coming out? I'm under impression that you only saw 2 games of one console.
4) Microsoft is better at marketing, yeah... what about E3? E3 doen't count!! Every anouncement from ms is blurry and non-objective...

[jay2]

Well, you'll be able to pick one up then.............

[Clarence]

M$ can ship all the Xbox 1s they can, but that doesn't mean that they will be sitting in the consumers house.

[OmegaShen]

Does it matter if MS can sell it? Sony makes money off of it because of bluray and there is talk of Apple making money from Kinect.

In the end, MS is getting screw out of it and there is somethings that make PS4 better then Xbox One.

[luvgamesandmoregames]

I have a ps4 preordered passed on xboxone , even tho it was available ,was considering it maybe in the future, but all this bs being pushed for Xbox makes me want to stay away from it really , these " news" articles are more damaging imo.

[Ben12]

Its ok because when your psn network crashes you can kiss all of are xbox #$@!@. while we play xbox live. oooooh that hit a sweet spot.

[luvgamesandmoregames]

I have a 360 , when the network went down I couldnt find a game that kept my interest on it. Played fable 3 for a bit but got bored quick.

[solidworm]

I can see it now...a mountain of unwanted XBONES.

[Darkshader01]

In Asia and Middle East the PS4 will sell 10 is to 1 against the XBOX1.

[Supermax]

Wow Sony fanboys unite form of a monkey.great news for gamers.

[kraigslist_killa]

This year meaning a month and a half that would left of it?

[thebudgetgamer]

Yea, and SNK could get back in the console business tomorrow and dominate.

[chuckyj1]

Oh geese Sony fanyboys are so insecure they go APE $H1t of any article that has any hint of pro Xbox message... quite sad to see really...

Can't people just enjoy their system(s) of choice and be happy?

[christocolus]

My thoughts exactly...any positive xbox one article stirs them up even frm their sleep.

[jimmywolf]

Oh geese X BOX fanyboys are so insecure they go APE $H1t of any article that has any hint of pro sony message... quite sad to see really...

Can't people just enjoy their system(s) of choice and be happy?

got keep in mind people can be opinionated an objective an not be a blind fan boy

[jairusmonillas]

Just another analyst getting paid by microsoft.

[LogicStomper]

Just another conspiracy theorist.

[Red_Devilz]

This is a typical "yo mama" article.

[Monkeyonfire13]

Oh sure SHip! but can it sell??

[leonlion]

So they'll ship a butt load to retailers and expect the retailers to get rid of them, the same strategy they used with xbox360, honestly? did anyone think that Microsoft had changed?

[Destrania]

This just in, PS4 to outship X1 3 to 1 this year. PS4 predicted to outsell X1 10 to 1 this generation.

[Claudinho69]

Funniest post of the year

[Supermax]

Glad I'm getting both just to make sure I win the fanboy war currently going on.

[Hakoom]

You mean PS4 outsells 4 to 1 ;)

[GAMExxOVER]

Xbox One looks like my old Betamax.

[GAMExxOVER]

Ya, but can you DL porn on it?

[CaliCholo]

Lame the PS4 is already outselling the xbone 10 to 1 lol

[gigoran]

Too bad only 1 in 3 people want one hahahahaha

[Nafon]

oh lord, ".biz" lol

[JohnS1313]

Don't believe a word that piece of crap site says. They're partly owned by Microsoft. They always make up facts.

[Metfanant]

There is no content to this article...how did it even get approved? I mean could I write an article saying "SNES predicted to outsell PS4 by a 4:1 margin Holiday '13" and get it published on this site?

[Destrania]

Yes lol

[whamlollypop7]

A lot of things could happen.

[Destrania]

Xbox has joined Playstation to make the ultimate console... It's called Playstation ONE! Oh wait...

[DOOMZ]

MINE!!!

[ZBlacktt]

Please just stop with the desperate stories...

[Benjaminkno]

And monkeys could fly out of my butt.

[Destrania]

No way!

[Killzoner99]

Troll article. Site downvoted.

[hazelamy]

ship, is not the same as sell.

[Whymii]

Xbox One could outship PS4 3-to-1 this year and the Atari 2600 will make a comeback and outsell them both combined, dogs and cats will go skipping hand in hand down the street, Elvis will come out of retirement, the US car industry will make a profit and peace will break out in the Middle East.

[S2Killinit]

why use such vague language? This Colin Sabastian is either an idiot or he thinks we are idiots.

[sephiroth420]

it could but its not

[urwifeminder]

Only a $50 dollar difference here but as for shipped I want to know how many can fit on a truck and what the price of fuel for that run will cost sony will win after all they invented shipping.

[Parasyte]

Outship? Possibly.
Outsell? Remains to be seen.

[arkard]

Considering Microsoft is only focusing on key markets right now and any Gamestop you talk to has about 3 ps4's to every xbox 1 allotted to them, I really doubt Microsoft is going to all of a sudden outship Sony.

[Chevalier]

Exactly! It isn't even close for my store it is 6 to 1 allotments. Our stores got 30 units per store and ps4 over 100 per store.

[maan47]

beyond!!

[Gamer Muzz]

The key word is "Ship".
Sure, They could ship 3 times as many. so what? Shipping numbers are not the same as sales numbers.

I'll own both consoles and as a gamer, I want to play the exclusives coming for each one. I don't care which one leads the way. I'll leave the arguments for the fanboys.

But in all honesty, From a position of logic, I can't imagine that with a $100 price difference and coming off the massive PR disaster they faced after E3, combined with lackluster Xbox and Xbox 360 sales in japan and Europe. I can't imagine they'll outsell Sony even if they ship more units. MS has a long road ahead of them
(for the record, I'm a "Xbox Guy". I've enjoyed and supported the brand for the last 12 years)

[Chevalier]

I don't understand how this is possible?! My store had an allocation of 30 TOTAL xbox one units available whereas for ps4 we will receive 6 times that amount due to preorders alone. How then are they producing more when they tell us that our allocation per store was 30 each (We average 4 times as many ps4) ?! In fact my district has been sitting on a couple hundred units and we only got down to 95 units available recently and xbox one sales are NOT good, so I don't understand this analyst . I say this because we can't even sell out of our already limited stock of xbox one yet in the meantime we keep on getting ps4 preorders even though they are told they can't get one at launch.

[dubal-e]

This didn't age well