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Lucas and Spielberg: "Games Can't be Art"

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA—This Saturday, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg hosted a panel debate at an independent film festival the two had chosen to dedicate to themselves. At the event, the two highly praised filmmakers mostly talked about problems facing the world of cinema.

However, Spielberg and Lucas also dedicated a significant chunk of the event to talk about other mediums, expressing their skepticism to non-cinematic art forms.

[Satire]

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ShugaCane3923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

“No, I haven’t tried those games, but if they use a controller then they simply cannot be as artistic and daring as Indiana Jones IV.”

lol

EDIT : Nevermind. Everything is acuatlly false, I fell for it lol I didn't see "[Satire]", my bad..

ArchangelMike3923d ago

Proves they are speaking from a position of ignorance, and therefore invalidates their statements. Go play The Last of Us, and come tell me that it's not better than Indiana Jones IV in every conceivable way.

ShugaCane3923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

This interview didn't happen. It was all made up by the author, probably as a response to their previous statements when they said that games are not art, or something stupid like that.

The real story, few weeks ago :

http://n4g.com/news/1281368...

Donnieboi3923d ago

Satire. Read before u post.

mattdillahunty3923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

lol. for once i didn't even bother reading the blurb on this page, i just went straight to the article. so, when i started reading the justifications for why they said games can't be art, i was thinking, "really? these are the most pathetic reasons i've ever heard." lol.

good to know this is just satire. i do question why this even got approved, though. it's not news, it's not a real article, it's not even a very entertaining read. i'm not one to cry 'flame bait!' but that's pretty much what this article is; the website doesn't even deserve the hits.

LAWSON723923d ago

Maybe Indiana Jones 4, but not the first 3.

MikeyDucati13923d ago

You know there was other games before The Last Of Us. You guys are running that name into the ground...deep into it

CommonSense3923d ago

While I certainly think many many games are infinitely better than anything Lucas has done in the last 20 years, TLOU is not one of them.

Naughty Dog are the Lucas (post original trilogy) of gaming.

nosferatuzodd3923d ago

indeed they no nothing about games yet they keep opening their big mouth to talk

pixelsword3923d ago

I personally don't think games are art just because of the way developers conform to the consumer, which means they are making a product; just like how people whined about Mass Effect's ending and they changed it, or how you get nickled and dimed for DLC.

minimur123922d ago (Edited 3922d ago )

I'm starting to get pissed with all of these satire posts....

Is it just me?

I mean, yeah the first one I saw with Iwata punching someone in the face made me laugh, but then we had some other one whichI can't remember and it just killed it. Satire posts aren't funny anymore

TheKayle13922d ago (Edited 3922d ago )

the last of us better than indiana jones?

i think u r too young or just too ignorant to understand what u r comparing ..lol

one is a myth...the other is a videogame that will be forget the next year

(this dosnt mean that a game cant be art!)...

ps. i love naugthy dog games

DragonKnight3922d ago

WTF is up with all these lame "satire" pieces lately? It's as if douchebag syndrome has been plaguing the "gaming media" lately and people think their sarcasm is funny. Newsflash, satire is usually humourous.

Does N4G need to add a new Satire category now?

blanket143922d ago

they ruined indiana jones ; ( I mean seriously that movie was terrible the end where they found out the aliens and crap killed it for me! I know Harrison is getting older but yhey really had to bring a kid in. they better not milk the series out with shia labeouf! I was a huge fan and still am but not of the 4th installment.

hankmoody3922d ago

C'mon, you really think that either Spielberg OR Lucas would choose Indiana Jones 4 from everything they've ever done as an example to compare videogames against?

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iamnsuperman3923d ago

"Nevermind. Everything is actually false, I fell for it lol I didn't see "[Satire]", my bad.."

Don't worry about it. I feel no-one in the gaming journalism world can do satire properly. If people are going to do it they need to do it properly

Tommykrem3923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

Not to be hateful or anything, but I think a much bigger problem is that video game communities rarely take the time, or even know how to, read something properly.

I mean
"This Saturday, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg hosted a panel debate at an independent film festival the two HAD CHOSEN TO DEDICATE TO THEMSELVES."

Who reads past that sentence AND a [Satire] tag (which really should be unnecessary to begin with) still thinking this isn't satire?

Sites like this one and pixelgrater.com do pretty good jobs. Against all odds.

admiralvic3923d ago

@ Tommykrem

A lot don't read the description posted on the site and just read the article. I doubt the article says satire, though the satire articles are stupid to begin with. Not everyone is looking to read an article, analyze what is mentioned, look into sources, verify it's completely false and largely a waste of time. There was a time (not to long ago) when NO SATIRE articles were on N4G too, so it's not like we've had countless articles to deal with either.

Tommykrem3923d ago

admiralvic:

And who on earth has to "analyse" anything? You don't have to look into sources, the answer is right in front of you.
1. The things said in the article are ridic.
2. ...The description says satire.

If you don't have the time for satire, don't read it.

If these articles have done anything, it's demonstrate that the way N4G'ers usually jump into arguments are ridiculous. Commenting before even give the article a second's worth of thought. Or before reading.

Dee_913922d ago

@tommy
how often does satire get posted on here?
And you expect people to just know this like it posted on here daily ?

Tommykrem3922d ago

@Dmarc
I'd expect that of an elementary school educated human being, yeah.

Dee_913922d ago (Edited 3922d ago )

You think a child with only an elementary level education would know this was satire?Even though we didnt learn about satire til 7th or 8th grade and probably didnt comprehend the meaning until highschool?

I think its safe to say you have unrealistic expectations.

Tommykrem3921d ago (Edited 3921d ago )

@Dmarc
For some reason I wasn't expecting people on N4G to get it, but that really is their own fault.
1. There's a tag there that says satire.
2. "Hell, some mediums don’t have pictures at all"
3. "Boom Blox was intended to be a moving story about a man who suffers from the untimely death of his wife, and who has to reconcile himself with the idea of love. However, once the game controller was involved, Boom Blox turned into a game about blowing up blocks that look like farm animals."
4. When I first tried the Kinect I played in poorly lit conditions, so the device didn’t recognise all of my gestures. I got frustrated, then I started to feel upset, then angry. That camera made me feel. Now, that’s art
5. No, I haven’t tried those games, but if they use a controller then they simply cannot be as artistic and daring as Indiana Jones IV.

These quotes simply would not happen. I mean, literally, you'd have to write THIS IS SATIRE all over the page to go any further than the article already does. People should take some time (like, 8 seconds) when they first choose to read something. Otherwise there's not really any point to gaming journalism in the first place. Thankfully, a few did.

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fermcr3923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

Indiana Jones IV was a big pile of crap. If that's art, then no thanks.

Mikeyy3923d ago

Indiana Jones 4 started awesome, was great half way through, then ended so terribly...

DrRobotnik3923d ago

And yet Virtua Fighter sits proudly on display in the Smithsonian Museum.

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NYC_Gamer3923d ago

I don't really care long as gaming provides me with entertainment

fsfsxii3923d ago

Holy moly, i guess the infamous disagree ghost doesn't play games for entertainment.

chestnut11223923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

Spielberg and Lucas take these and eat it on Your mind, Uncharted Is Way Much better and more art than Indiana Jones, The Last of Us Is better than alot of Zombie Movies, Dino Crisis was more original than Your fucking Jurassic Park Circus, Resident Evil Movies Sucks compared to Resident Evil games Story WIse. Heavy rain and La Noire is better than Sherlock Holmes these days, I prefer Read Dead Redemption better than Wild Wild West. A lot of Movies these days are based on Games and Anime.Dead Space is much better than Alien Vs Predator. I prefer BattleField, Killzone and COD rather than WOrld War Movies -_- . HALO and Mass effect is much better than mars attack . And last but not the least, Joel Will sweep the Oscar's Best Actor Award if He is Real. There is so many to mention but These is enough for me to explain.

These is my response to Both of You.
"The Problem With Movie is there is No Controller"

chestnut11223923d ago (Edited 3923d ago )

Oh f_ck. Satire. Bullsh_t Site. It burst out my disappointment with those mocking remarks -_-. Ignore my post.

Edit: Still they insult The Video Game Industry in these article so it serves them right -_- http://n4g.com/news/1281368...

Nexus383923d ago

Uncharted is great but indiana jones is on a whole other level. their classics, also this article is just more fake rubbish anyway

spaceg0st3923d ago

who approves these bullsh*t satire articles. what a waste of time. users who approve these articles should have their powers taken away

admiralvic3923d ago

This or they should have their own tag / [Satire] in the title like reviews have site names.

Half of the people on this site don't read the actual post, they just read the statement that games aren't art and go from there. On a high note, at least that means those idiots aren't getting clicks.

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein5h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

CrimsonWing695h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

shinoff21833h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg3h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS173h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam7h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1255h ago(Edited 5h ago)

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2294h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy851d 1h ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted1d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere1d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook721h ago(Edited 21h ago)

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy8520h ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga20h ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher6h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble1h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike20h ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv7210h ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

crazyCoconuts3h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire8h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer199223h ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga6h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk15h ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 72110h ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty3h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds14h ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx1213h ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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