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F1 2013 Creative Director Bashes Gran Turismo, Mentions Improved AI, Denies Vita and Wii U Versions

With the info blowout about Codemasters’ upcoming F1 simulator F1 2013 the development team has become a tad more vocal as well, including Creative Director Steve Hood, that took to Twitter to give a few additional pieces of information and engage in a tad of “friendly” banter.

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mattdillahunty3935d ago (Edited 3935d ago )

when i saw the title, i was like, "ok, bashing is a strong word. they're probably overstating what he said."

but when i saw what the creative director said, yeah...that's pretty much bashing it. lol.

Abriael3935d ago

Funny thing is that he's probably basing it on the fake staged video with GT5 compared to forza 3's AI, in which GT5's AI was basically put in a condition in which it could not fail, while Forza's was on a nice straight piece of track.

It was since debunked but a ton of media outlets like Kotaku and Ars technica gave it visibility.

Yi-Long3935d ago

Codemasters should just focus on their own products...

... considering their Rally-games haven't been about proper rally-racing for ages, considering their last GRID game didn't live up to expectations, and considering their DLC-milking crap.

Larry L3935d ago

Exactly. They should spend time critiquing their own efforts and maybe their products would be better.

And you know, badmouthing GT's AI sems to be becoming very popular with internets lately. I suppose there's really nothing else to bash it with, so.....let's go with that, eh? But the dirty little secret of this issue is that ALL racing games have pretty craptastic AI as well. They all have their own AI issues. Either thay ar slow or won't put up any fight at all like GT, or they are slow and will wreck you like Forza, or they are complete idiots like in Shift, or they are homicidal maniacs with a tight rubber band like Motorstorm..........the list could go on to basically rip apart almost every racing game's AI.

Project Cars is pretty much the very first realistic racing game I've ever seen with what I'd call really good AI. And go watch all the videos of PCars AI and you will see why devs don't put truly good, hardcore AI in their racing game. It's because contrary to racing game fan's beliefs, they do not have the ability to hang with race car drivers. If racing games released with AI like that, the vast majority (whiich I'm not part of) wouldn't be able to play and would demand it be tuned down or.....you know......boycott or some such nonsense. It happened with Motorstorm, and will happen to PCars too if racing that rediculously good AI is required in any way.

That said, a happy medium needs to be found, especially in GT which could really use some kind of hardcore AI option for people that want it. The truth is though, even that would become predictable and easy unless it's actually homicidal which is not good for sims. The only way to race against truly good and unpredictable opponents that are just as good at the game as you are, is against other real people online or next to you. Simple as that.

That's why even though all games have shit AI, I don't hold it against the devs or franchise. If you're racing fan enough to want hardcore AI, you should be online non stop racing against the best AI there is; no AI....other racers.

Maddens Raiders3935d ago (Edited 3935d ago )

"The truth is though, even that would become predictable and easy unless it's actually homicidal which is not good for sims. The only way to race against truly good and unpredictable opponents that are just as good at the game as you are, is against other real people online or next to you. Simple as that."

--bingo, end of thread. GT is not built for hours of repeating the single player campaign over and over like a good platformer or strategy game. It's meant for finishing and moving on to the real competition: human drivers. Online competition in GT nearly surpasses life itself....it can become overwhelmingly addictive.

Gran Touring3935d ago

Tehee :)

GT games do need improvement in the A.I department, no doubt about that. We'll see if PD's overhaul of the engine improves upon this in GT6. Meanwhile, I hope the new F1 game supports 60 frames this time around..

Maddens Raiders3935d ago (Edited 3935d ago )

I disagree a bit and I'll explain.

He [Hood] said it to make waves and grab attention. That's what the smaller entity does to a larger entity when trying to garner attention for his/her project/position, especially in competing genres like this. News reporters and sports reporters alike do this kind of stuff all the time. They'll say something a little more outrageous or pronounced so that their story will stand out and make national & world headlines. Not too long ago a Boston sports writer voted Carmello Anthony MVP of NBA instead of LeBron James and it worked swimmingly for what he wanted to achieve. He achieved more notoriety for his paper and fifteen minutes of fame because everyone wanted to know, "who was that guy up in Boston that went against the consensus grain..?"

In reality, most people will not even finish the license tests nor will they finish the mandatory "40 hours" of work necessary to bust through to the Professional and Extreme categories of the Gran Turismo single player campaign, where they will notice much more competitive AI.

Once one is done with achieving all Golds in all events though, the real challenge comes from playing fellow motoring enthusiasts /online/ and against other's times in GT Academy which is all uber competitve, so this is more of a niggling complaint that's turned into a purely strawman argument at this point. Good read.

dc13935d ago

Not really a bash on GT.
I do appreciate their fan engagement on twitter. Pretty impressive that he didn't run from the 'hard' questions regarding the Vita or WiiU.

Abriael3935d ago

He just said that GT has terrible AI. That's quite the bash,especially considering that GT5 has a much better AI than F1 2011/2012, for which the term "artificial stupidity" really fits.

pwnsause_returns3935d ago

it has classic cars? it better have the mp4-5 or the mp4-6. Senna better be included in the mix...

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Comparing the New Grand Valley in Gran Turismo 7 to the Original

A detailed look at Gran Turismo 7's new track Grand Valley, judging its evolution from its former design and layout in Gran Turismo 6, side by side.

SullysCigar427d ago (Edited 427d ago )

Wow, crazy isn't it? The draw distance is vastly improved, the background textures too and there's ZERO shimmer now. And the replays are night and day!

EIDT: @below, Haha I didn't notice that!

IRetrouk427d ago

Yeah, theres a massive improvment all round, Looks amazing with the time of day transitions too, me and a couple online buddies jumped on earlier to try it out lol, did you notice the beach full of seals?

closed_account427d ago

That coastline looks amazing and I can only imagine it in VR! Looks like an entirely new course as far as scenery goes.

IRetrouk427d ago

Yeah, those views are going to be crazy when we are "there" can't wait!

PureBlood427d ago

Just got confirmation my PSVR2 is shipping by 24 hour courier, so I should have it tomorrow! I know nobody else cares, but I had to tell someone lol

GT7 will be my first game, as I want to test out my wheel - so excited - it's going to be awesome!

Deathdeliverer427d ago

I got my confirmation and date (22nd) showing for the charging station. The headset itself has been in “shipped-processing” status since last Friday. I’m like dang can I see the date? I was in the first round of preorders. Whenever it does get here, I’m ready. Going to go update everything and try to get over this cold.

PureBlood427d ago

Wish you better, bud, fingers crossed for your order too.

@S2Killinit - Thank you!

IRetrouk427d ago

I care👊🏻, mine is still saying prep for shipping😔

PureBlood427d ago

Thanks man 👊

Word of advice: be ready for the impromptu jig that happens when that email drops, it can be embarrassing..

DaReapa427d ago

Just got my second shipping confirmation email as well.

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S2Killinit427d ago

Man i caant wait. One day left!

Flawlessmic427d ago

I know you and a lot of people are excited for VR but dont sleep on sophy, sophy is the real game changer here!

After giving sophy a run last night, i can safely say the actual racing in future GT's is going to be Fu***** amazing!!!

even on intermediate on some tracks the AI was coming back at me on my waiting for me to slip, attacking the space if i left the door open for them, honestly felt like i was racing against people and not some very limited AI that once i passed them they may as well have been eliminated from the race like GT ai normally is.

pump it up to expert and its a real challenge to stay ahead, the next level up from expert man the AI kicked my ass, like badly.

i remember when sophy was first annouced all the nay sayers said its a pipe dream and we will never see it implemented and here we are a yr later and sophy is being tested in game for us to try out and is every good as whats been promised.

VR plus racing against sophy and wowww your not gonna feal like your actually racing for real anywhere else outside of gt.

sophy will change the game in gt8

S2Killinit427d ago

Hm I didnt realize it was like that. I didnt even know why there was so much hype about it. But thanknyou for explaining that. I mean I get it now.

But I’ll be seeing it in action tomorrow! Woot woot.

Flawlessmic427d ago

It's only for a limited time and only has 4 races but I encourage you and everyone else try it and see the difference compared to the normal Ai.

Sophy has slipped completely under the radar in this latest uodate

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Father__Merrin427d ago

Wow gt6 was awesome under appreciated because of time it came out

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What Happened To Gran Turismo?

When thinking about simulation racing games in this console generation, it’s not unreasonable for your first thought to be “Forza”. Microsoft’s first-party sim-racer series has been wildly successful, and for many of us, it’s been the go-to franchise for quite some time. But simulation racing games weren’t always synonymous with Forza; there was a time when Polyphony Digital’s hardcore series, Gran Turismo, reigned supreme. While the long-time franchise continues to sell exceptionally well, there’s no doubt that it isn’t the young, spry series it used to be.

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darthv721705d ago

It doesnt suck but I would love to see a return to form with GT7. Sport is such a departure that it can turn some people off. It has gotten better over time but it's still no match for a proper GT7.

Rude-ro1705d ago

Sport is awesome for what it is...
However, polygon built a whole new engine and the tech is still being worked on...
I understand it is easy to praise a cookie cutter because it release the same game over and over with rotations of maps and cars...
But this engine polygon has designed does more for things other than gaming.

Repetitive old engines with new makeup does not make anyone king.

Gt7 will be most likely in two years with 120fps and ray tracing because their new engines are ready now.

LordStig1705d ago

It decided to focus on racing rather than cars and in the gaming world, racing = gameplay.

Imalwaysright1705d ago

What complete and utter BS. GT has always focused on racing and gameplay.

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neutralgamer19921705d ago

Good I guess selling millions of copies and have OFFICIAL FIA license races and Esports means it sucks

We just don't get it every year which is why ms also delayed next forza. You can't keep making yearly sequels. Quality and innovation takes time

GT sports at launch to now it's a different game and support has been free

Imalwaysright1705d ago

GT games have always sold millions of copies and what's so innovative about GT sport? It's a racing game FFS.

IRetrouk1704d ago

The online championships and tournaments alone offer more innovation than any racer this gen🤷‍♂️ then you also get the live ones in New York etc with proper race like commentary, something else no other sim has done before. It sells millions because it's the best, simple really.

Imalwaysright1704d ago (Edited 1704d ago )

IRetrouk

I'm not even sure why think that having proper like race commentary or championships and tournements is innovative but I'll play along... GT Sport was released in 2017 so how do explain that this video https://www.youtube.com/wat... from 2016 exists?

Dark_Knightmare21705d ago

Spoken like someone who hasn’t played sport

Imortus_san1704d ago

And those Paid demos, that fans try to hide and not talk about it.

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SCW19821705d ago

It became the best online racing community for console players and its an amazing achievment.

Keltech1705d ago

"Forza?" HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!! good joke!

kayoss1705d ago

Too early for an Aprils fool joke.

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ElementX1705d ago

@solidgamerX That's really not very impressive. Somebody with an interest in cars plays racing games and becomes a race car driver. That's like saying "look at this guy, he played COD and now he's in the military"

Imalwaysright1705d ago

SolidGamerX

You must think that we're all stupid enough to believe that a game will turn anyone into a professional racing driver.

Prince-Ali1705d ago

FORZA!!! AAHAHHAHA !! Haven't i schooled you on this already before! You're still spewing nonsense on this threaddd looool

mcstorm1705d ago

Forza has always been better online than. GT and still is. Great to see PD try something different with GTS but let's face it this gen sonys racing games have been poor this then compaired to what Microsoft has had to offer. Forza 7 is one of the best racing games on xbox and pc but for me Horizon 3 and 4 have set the bar this gen. Of all the things microsoft got wrong this gen 2 of its racing games got a lot right and others are now playing catchup.

DarXyde1705d ago

It's debatable which is the better game. To me, Forza has the upper hand.

But in terms of online community and events? Ha. Don't lie to yourself just because you don't like Playstation.

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Dark_Knightmare21705d ago

Lol not even close have you even played gt sport online?

Imalwaysright1705d ago (Edited 1705d ago )

SolidGamerX

You didn't need to confirm what I already knew: if you didn't think that we're all stupid you wouldn't make such stupid comments that only those that are dead from the neck up will agree with.

IRetrouk1704d ago (Edited 1704d ago )

Did he say gt could turn anyone into a racer? No he didnt, he asked what game has done it like gt has, which is true, gt academy done it throughout gt5 for a start. You need to do some research fella, cause your wrong.. again.

And lmao at element and the downplay, not even similar you crazy man, not even similar🤣 you realise gt has turned gamers into drivers from gt5? Go look at gt academy and tell me how that would be anything like someone playing cod and then joining the army, the downplay in gt articles is funny.

ElementX1704d ago

So you think he learned the required skills playing video games? I remember when people claimed children were learning how to operate guns because of video games, do you think that's also true?

IRetrouk1704d ago (Edited 1704d ago )

Two completely different things and you know it, it is a fact that gt has helped real gamers become real race drivers, the proof is easily available online and I'm not going round searching for links that has been posted many, many times before on this subject, Go and look at gt academy like I mentioned and you can see for yourself, they start out on gt and go from there, so yes the game gran turismo teaches you some driving techniques, now if you can find me a link where someone has been playing cod and went on to become a war hero, please let me know because I couldnt find anything, also do you have a link to where cod has a program to train soldiers? Like cod academy or something?, I couldnt find one of those either, maybe when you do then your comparison will actually make sense.

Imalwaysright1704d ago

IRetrouk

You mean the GT academy that provides training and licenses for a person to become a professional racing driver? The GT academy is how you go from being an average driving joe to become a professional racing driver not GT the game.

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xRacer74x1705d ago

Forza owns the racing game scene in my area as far as video games go.

dekke1705d ago

Forza = Arcade
GT= Sim

why u ppl keep comparing those 2 games every time..

Keltech1705d ago (Edited 1705d ago )

GT owns the console sim racing scene in my area and around the world. Just ask a real race car drivers

https://youtu.be/2pC3-eCAdv...

LordStig1705d ago

Forza isn't a racing game. It's a car game.

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Hungryalpaca1705d ago

I’ll stick to sims. You keep playing with your hot wheels.

King_Noctis1705d ago

You forget that there are two Forzas, Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon, which aims at different audiences.

King Nezz1705d ago

The usual response from someone insecure that feels their favorite racing game is nowhere near as good as it once was. I really liked Gran and played them all. Loved the Vector from part 2. But the franchise is not the same.

Gaming4Life19811705d ago

Yea Forza took over and is now the best sim racer with motorsport and the best arcade racer with horizon. GT was the best but it has been falling short for a long time and I'm not saying gt games are bad but no where near king like it used to be. I'd say forza motorsport 3 was the forza that really upped the franchise and forza 4 was when forza became #1.

I remember the glory days of gt but those days are long gone but it's still a good game just not the best. Of course ps fans will never admit it because they will die before giving MS credit.

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Nacho_Z1705d ago

I do think they need some new creative heads in to give them some new perspectives, they seem stuck in a rut. It's a very high quality rut but they're still stuck in it.

LordStig1705d ago

The USA leg of the Gran Turismo World Tour is going on in New York right now. Go watch it guys, there's some damn good racing and crazy updates to come.

Nacho_Z1705d ago

I've seen some of it before and to be fair it's not much different to watching real motorsport so credit to them for that.

Heavenly King1705d ago

the MACH 5 :) GO SPEED rACEr!!

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Gran Turismo 5, Gran Turismo 6, Wipeout HD, God of War 3 and more running on PC via the latest RPCS3

DSOGaming writes: "It appears that the best Playstation 3 emulator that is currently under development, RPCS3, received a new update recently. kd-11 has implemented new Surface Cache fixes to RPCS3 that reportedly improve the appearance of car reflections in Gran Turismo 6, and fix various graphics glitches in other games."

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gangsta_red1742d ago

If someone out there in internet land could make a decent PS3 emulator imagine what Sony could actually do if they put the time and effort in to make this happen for their next console?

It's definitely not impossible as we can see here. It should definitely be done since BC seems to be very important to Sony this next gen. Imagine PS+ free game offerings from Sony that could include the whole catalog from the PS console family..fantastic.

Silly gameAr1742d ago

Why waste time and money on it? Some people want to move forward, not go back.

Eonjay1742d ago

It's not a deal breaker but having the feature would be amazing. I would rather have it than not have it.

gangsta_red1742d ago

Not everyone feels that way and if Sony is making an issue of supporting PS4 games for PS5 why not support their other past games for people who still have them or a means to buy them and play them.

KwietStorm_BLM1742d ago

You literally just said some people. So I'd imagine you can comprehend that there's a larger subset of people not in that same "some" group. PlayStation used to be known for backward compatibility. Xbox made a big deal about support for their entire catalog. What's the issue with PlayStation, who has an even more substantial history in gaming, tapping into that market? We don't have this problem on PC. It's only a good thing for consumers to be able to bring their games with them through generations on console.

Silly gameAr1742d ago (Edited 1742d ago )

@kwietstorm

Yes, I said some people. What I said was MY opinion. I'm one of those people that couldn't care less about bc, but im not saying ALL people don't care about it. I think they should spend that time and energy for future features and games, but like I said, that's only my opinion.

Imortus_san1742d ago (Edited 1742d ago )

Not every body trows their games way every time the new gen cames along, and everybody that likes games like to be able to play their favorite games in the best possible way.

PS: Retrocompatability is the most requested feature in Sony Foruns, even Sony said so.

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frostypants1742d ago (Edited 1742d ago )

The question is would the return on investment be worthwhile? Are the number of additional consoles PS3 BC would push be enough to justify the cost of developing the emulation (and it would have to be bullet proof)? I like the idea of having it, but for my part not having it won't effect my purchase decision.

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Eonjay1742d ago

You are asking the right question but the wrong way. For me, the addition of PS3 BC would add value as a customer and make it even more likely for me to buy a PS5. If it is valuable to the customer it is valuable to them.

Also, the way they are doing it would be way cheaper than a program like Microsoft had. The are emulating the hardware. Not the software.

gangsta_red1742d ago

"The question is would the return on investment be worthwhile?"

Sony could definitely make some extra profit selling PS3 games through their marketplace (the same way they have their other classics available). It's not about whether or not it will effect anyone's purchase decision, it definitely didn't do so for the PS4. But as others have expressed, it would be a nice addition to have for PS5 if Sony could open up their whole library digitally and physically to users.

ShadowWolf7121742d ago

Racing games should be some of the easiest to emulate and they're still not hitting 60fps with it, to say nothing of image flickering and occasional sound issues.

Still gonna be a bit yet before they have it fully up and running, it seems, and even then it may only work for part of the library. :/

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Gwiz1742d ago

Is it possible to have PS3 emulation on PS5?yes depending on what kind of power it really has.
An i7 9700k is no slouch and the PS4 already has a God of War 3 running much better with less
power required because they converted CBE to X86 which is not something you want to be doing in the long run.

What power would be required to play these games emulated at said PS4 version?.
It's not an easy situation Sony themselves created and ultimately I believe they are happy this way because they
want you to use PSNow,that service is why you will not even get it. (let's not forget that it was a huge investment)

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