Xbox One Cloud VS PS4 Cloud

Both the Xbox One and Playstation 4 brag about having cloud technology and power behind their systems. Are both of these clouds the same? Or does one system have an advantage?

[FrigidDARKNESS]

There you have it folks MS has beenworking on the cloud infrastructure since 2009 .
Infrastructure is there for all developers to use. MS and Samsung collaborated to build the worlds fastest most efficient cloud server.

[Kanzes]

Both parties are using cloud for different purposes

Microsoft's cloud (Azure) is for in-game computing and dedicated servers,

while Sony's cloud (Gaikai) is dedicated for streaming PS1, PS2, PS3 games. But I don't think Sony just using Gaikai for that purpose.. after all, it's a million dollars thing

[georgeenoob]

A lot of folks on this site don't want to accept this and keep denying it.

Look at that Watch Dogs article for example when a producer said Xbox one's cloud makes its city more diverse, it's like he was speaking in a different language to them.

[itswinter]

I thought it was only PS3 games... Not PS1, PS2 and PS3... Yeah, I'm like 95% psoitive it's only PS3 games... :/

[JustPlay4]

From what I read about them this is what they do:

Microsoft's cloud (Azure) is for storing data and for developing programs (ie games) and the service is on virtual servers (for the public it is anyway)

PlayStation's cloud ( Gaikai) is just used for streaming (for now)

[thehitman]

@george that article was fake lol....

[kneon]

@JustPlay4

While Gaikai was all about streaming that doesn't mean that's all they will use it for. Cloud computing is just remote servers providing computing and storage resources.

That's all it is, there is no magic despite what marketing crap get's attached to the term "cloud computing".

But what cloud computing can for gaming is still limited due to latency and bandwith issues.

[cLiCK_sLiCK9]

@georgeenoob

Deny what? We dont even know what they mean when they say diverse...wtf does 'diverse' even mean?

Why the hell is microsoft having a hard time time explainging this cloud shit? Typical PR junk talk and idiouts falling for it.

[The_Con-Sept]

People seem to forget that you must have an internet connection in order to access said cloud. If you don't have an internet connection, or have bandwidth limits in place, or don't have access to the internet then you are pretty much fucked. If you are wondering why there are so many disagrees it is because developers are taking more and more short cuts on the Xbox when it comes down to ease of use and availability.

Again PS4 is the better overall choice because they don't need an internet connection to have "the best experience."

The cloud the cloud THE GOD AWFUL F ING CLOUD! All of these little Xbox fanboys salivating over an online life support system that needs to be used with every single game in order to compete with the PlayStation 4. I remember back just last gen where consoles did not need life support in order to produce better games. They were patches. Two generations ago we didn't even need patches. If games had a terrible glitch in them it was too far too few. Now that this stupid cloud crap surfaced it only means Microsoft has complete control over your system. You guys keep fighting for the stupid cloud to find that the next Xbox won't even have a CPU or a you in it what so ever. It will be a required always online, always connected pos internet console that is only sold in areas with online access. Sorry but the cloud can go get sucked into a space vacuum.

At least Sony is using it for older games as a means to give old games a chance.

[MYSTERIO360]

@Kanzes Your exactly right, the PS4 cloud service will be used for more then just PS3 game streaming

http://www.cloudtweaks.com/...

http://www.shacknews.com/ar...

[ZodTheRipper]

Now that the PS4 outdoes the X1 in most points the cloud seems like the last straw MS supporters are holding onto lol

Since I'm playing offline most of the time and with that cloud thing you have to have a stable internet connection permanently (which is NOT guaranteed even in the large city I live) I couldn't care less. The whole concept of an always-online console was introduced way to early imo. The USA may be ready for it, but the world clearly is not.

[MikeMyers]

When both of these systems come out gamers will notice right away the differences. From how fast and seamless it is to navigate, to how fast you will download items. On the games we will also see it right away with games like Forza 5 and how that computing power within the cloud will monitor your driving habits and be able to use that data in online races. You will also notice the how low latency will be playing with other people around the world on the Xbox One.

Microsoft will be ready day one. Sony on the other hand will be rolling out things like Gaikai well into 2014 and beyond. They are not ready just like they weren't ready with PSN for the PS3. We are talking about a company with a net worth of over 285 billion dollars compared to a company worth 20 billion. This cloud technology will be used with Windows as well, not just gaming. What Sony have invested in cloud technology and Gaikai pales in comparison. This is a reason why Sony is now charging for online gaming on the PS4. They need money to re-invest and make their online services better and faster around the globe.

We already see it downloading items on the PS3 compared to the Xbox 360. On average things are just smoother and faster on the Xbox 360.

But no, let's listen to people here on the forums. The experts. Those who think every year Call of Duty will sell poorly. That the Playstation Vita will be a huge success. A site dominated by Playstation fans. Good luck getting a unbiased view of Microsoft's cloud technology. You see, the way it works around here is the majority will shoot anything down that may have an advantage over Sony. That's what leads to unhealthy debates. You get people who will disagree even if they don't even know what's going on because they are brainwashed to do so all for the sake of promoting their preferred system/company.

Then you get the real die-hards who write blogs every day speaking venom towards the competition. They are threatened by Microsoft and they should be. You think a few trolls with nothing but time on their hands is going to have any impact? Microsoft isn't messing around. They have invested billions of dollars and have the power and influence to make sure the Xbox One is a success. They marketed Kinect to success and that device didn't even work that well. From all indications the Xbox One is next gen and Kinect 2 blows the doors off the original. They also have the games regardless of what trolls around here say. Most of the very vocal people around here against the Xbox One have been playing this trolling game for years. Most times they are also the biggest Sony supporters. Coincidence? I think not. Ask yourself this, why are those who are Sony fanboys also the same people with the most hate and voice their opinions the most against the Xbox brand? I've never seen this much hostility from Nintendo fans and Xbox fans. Why is that? Why are Sony fanboys so vocal and with so much hostility?

But like I said, don't listen to all of these developers like Insomniac and Respawn about cloud computing on the Xbox One. Nope, let's listen to those other folks here who won't say anything good about the Xbox brand. They know best.

Now watch the disagrees fly away.

[HammadTheBeast]

@Mike Myers

All that money yet MS still ends up last in every console generation. Tsk tsk. And no, its not just this site. The fact that PS4 is massacring One in every pre-order option, every poll, and just overall says a lot. I don-t know why you're such a fanboy for Xbox One. Cloud doesn't do shiiiit.

@Georgenoob

Man living up to your name as always. That WatchDogs article was about how Xbox One had a more diverse city than 360 and PS3 genius. They said the EXACT same thing in another interview for PS4 you ******* fanboy.

[greenlantern2814]

@itswinter watch the ps4 reveal when david perry gets on stage and talks about streaming games he says ps1, ps2 and ps3 games.
Dominic Guay has been misrepresented his comments where about next gen vs. current gen.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
pretty much states why what ms claims about the cloud is not correct.
sony has said they will have dedicated servers if your just going to believe what ms tells you might as well just believe what sony say.
and finally ms Azure cloud is used by companies for off site storage and processing which they pay ms for. so only some of it will be given to gaming.

[Sevir]

Ummm did you watch the PS4 reveal... Gaikai's Cloud Network infrastructure powers the Entire Online gaming experience of the PS4... The launch of Streaming PS3 titles to PS4 and Vita is just a feature launching in 2014.

Sorry to break it to you, but Cloud computing feature are featured throughout games already running on the PS4... No Azure needed... Gaikai technology on the PS4 isn't limited to streaming games.

There is a reason Gaikai is far more successful and labeled as powerful and fastest in the industry.

Remote access to your game, placing items and even letting your friends take over if you have a tough spot you can't pass all remotely is confirmed Day one and that's all trumpeting the cloud.

Again, Battlefield 4, Destiny, Watch_Dogs Driveclub, Killzone:Shadow Fall all use The Cloud on the PS4 for handling remote calculations for processing in game. The difference here is One console isn't underpowered in raw power so the need and dependancy to use features mitigated to the internet is just not priority. When your Hardware can do all the heavy lifting and still have strength to tackle other heavy things the need to "Use the cloud" becomes an after thought.

http://www.shacknews.com/ar...

http://www.cloudtweaks.com/...

[JokesOnYou]

This is truly one of those times in life where size really does matter.

"Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Windows Azure software and related programs have surpassed $1 billion in annual sales for the first time, a sign of progress in the effort to challenge Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN) in cloud computing."
http://mobile.bloomberg.com...

[slazer101]

@ MikeMyers MS net worth is only 69.96 Billion.

http://www.celebritynetwort...

[MikeMyers]

@HammadTheBeast,

Here is a comment of his about a year and a half ago,

"The Xbox 720 is just now using Blu-Ray which the Ps3 has had for the past 6 years... who's behind? Half of the Xbox 360 sales are from 2nd consoles people buy to replace RROD victims.

The PS3 has much better tech and games

Tell me one Xbox 360 game, not a shooter, that has redefined a genre. Yeah shut up. And here comes Twisted Metal and Starhawk, and The Last of Us and many more. While you sit there and hope that there may be a "Halo 4" to help you feel better."

http://n4g.com/news/927422/...

@Sevir,

Here is a reply from him about a year and a half ago too,

"WOW!!!!! Kinect Rush, Kinect Starwars and Kinect, Fable the journey- 3 kinect games
and one hardcore!? LOL thats such a killer line up of games!/S outside Halo 4, nothing else on that list is even laughable. If kotaku can get hyped after seeing that meager list then just imagine how they feel about the PS3 list! The Vita alone next year has more exclusives than the 360 LOL!!!"

http://n4g.com/news/909070/...

This is what I'm talking about. Playstation fans being the most vocal on a site that is heavily biased towards the Playastation brand. A site where the Xbox forums, the Wii and Wii U forums, the handheld forums and the PC forums don't add up to the activity of just the PS3 forums. Why is that? Can anyone here explain that? Can anyone here explain how a system that has sold less than 80 million systems have such a dedicated fanbase that trumps all of those combines that is in the hundreds of millions? The answer is simple, Playstation fans are the most rampant on forums, the most vocal and the most hostile. I'm not talking about regular fans like myself who have supported Sony game platforms since their first PSOne. A system I bought the first day it went on sale at the Sony store. No, I'm talking about the fanboys. The ones who seem to be the most radical group of fanboys out there. The ones who seem to have the most hatred towards the competition. Those with this elitist attitude who are actually fragile gamers who are threatened by that competition. Those who continually say vile things, write blogs.

You would think that since Sony has done so well they would the the happiest group out there. They would be the most satisfied. Apparently not.

But hey, let's listen to these guys. They know what's best. They know how the Xbox One will play online. They know the cloud is just a marketing ploy. They know that system is all about movies and not really a gaming platform anyways.

Good luck with that.

[ThanatosDMC]

In Sony We Trust

[ALLWRONG]

Funny how Sony fans forget OnLive. Is it Selective memory, or denial?

[NatureOfLogic]

Xbone fanboys hiding in the clouds. PS4 has every advantage over Xbone, so the Xbox fanboys turn to the unproven cloud pr bs. They can't argue sales, hardware, games or even the controller anymore, so now it's all about teh cloudz. Lol, Xbox fanboys continue giving me laughs.

[malokevi]

lol, agreed.

Lets not base our decisions on the words of industry professionals, features, investments, services, or games. No, lets make our appraisal based on internet polls and pre-order numbers.

That will make us feel better! :D

As usual, Xbox Live is pushing the boundaries of online console gaming, and PSN is playing catch-up.

[strifeblade]

yeah ur right sony's cloud is about a 350 million dollar thing, microsoft's cloud is about a 9 billion dollar thing and counting to put things into perspective

[Dakidog]

@Mike Myers

I don't know about "regular fan", I mean to sit there and look through 2 peoples comment history just to make a reply to justify your fanboy comments? You can't tell me that's not going a little hard lol

Besides the game part of HammadTheBeast comment...it's fact. The Xboxone now has Bluray which PS3 already has, so they are indeed catching up. We all know the RROD fiasco added to the 360 sales, not saying by a huge amount(but it's still fact).

I just would love to know what you're basing how "fast and seamless" things will be on? You must have both the PS4 and Xboxone and several games.

Before calling out other people...I think you should check yourself! Try not to paint yourself out as a "regular fan", as far as I'm concerned you're just as bad if not worse than the "Playstation fans".

[Lwhit6]

Which is better because that opens up the door of backwards compatibility.

[CryofSilence]

This argument is obsolete.

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

Both can do cloud computing. End of discussion.

[malokevi]

@cryofsilence

Lol... yeah. And both consoles can also render 3d graphics... I guess that's the end of that discussion, too?

The double standard is laughable.

[Kryptix]

@thehitman
lol Not only was the article fake but even georgee spun something new to what Ubisoft said. Ubisoft has not stated anything about the cloud yet. Shows how much Xbox One fanboys are in denial. lo

[oof46]

I sure hope Gaikai can do dedicated servers too. Peer to peer needs to die a horrible death.

[ABizzel1]

I don't know how to explain this any clearer than I have.

As far as gaming graphics go Gaikai is the superior service, at least for now. The purpose of Gaikai was to allow PC games to be played on any device by running the games on powerful PC's and streamed through servers to other devices at playable framerates.

Gaikai can reliably use PC's with AMD 8350 CPU's, 7990 GPU's, and 32GB of RAM and stream games on ultra settings 1080p 60fps to any devices PlayStation certified.

Nothing Azure has can compare with that at this point of time. The advantages Azure is looking for is always on, and always changing worlds where random events can happen, and background equations for effects, physics, and lighting can be stored in the cloud. It's great in theory, but graphically the Gaikai setup is vastly superior until Internet speeds are significantly faster nation and world-wide. Dynamic worlds and events are the best thing going for Azure, but again it's not that much of a improvement since both consoles are capable of background downloading even while gaming, so it doesn't really give that much of an edge besides the X1 potentially having events spawn as soon as the developer uploads it, vs. the PS4 having to wait until the download in the background finishes (anywhere from a couple of minutes to a day depending on how large the file is or when the update occurs).

Azure has potential, but it's not anywhere near where it needs to be right now. Gaikai; however, has had years of development as well and as far as tradional gaming goes, it is vastly ahead of Azure and the better service to today's games. Azure still needs years of work, before it can do any of the things MS wants, and Sony needs to get mighty PC's ($1,500 - $3,000 each) up to run Gaikai the way it needs to be (which is the easier task). But both services needs better Internet to function to their peak performance, Gaikai just needs less.

[ChozenWoan]

If you check Gaikai's history, you will find that they have been building up their infrastructure since 2008, and they are using Nvidia Grid tech. You will also find that at least until last year when Sony purchased Gaikai, that EA, Samsung, and Ubisoft was working with them at first. Which is why I find it funny that MS is now getting all the credit as if they started this trend.

The fact that MS has to tout cloud gaming as a boost to the Xbone's power this early in the gen is a bad sign. For just as Xbone will benefit from server computing, so can the PS4. So while Sony isn't focused on marketing this fact now, we can be sure they are already working on it... in fact that might be why they purchased Gaikai last year when they did. Hmmm

To be honest, Sony's purchase of Gaikai will prove to be the biggest move they have made this gen that will have the greatest impact on how the next gen ends. Gaikai's tech will allow Sony to be able to stream entire games from cloud servers... ENTIRE GAMES!!!

By the end of the next gen, I'm sure the internet infrastructure and video encoding will allow 1080p 60fps AAA PS4 games to be streamed entirely from the cloud with the console acting mainly as a video decoder. Especially since Sony appears to be starting to trend in that direction with PS1-PS3 games starting next year.

I will admit I could be wrong, but when reviewing history instead of marketing, I find that Sony has and will continue to have the advantage when it comes cloud gaming next gen.

Related References:
http://www.gaikai.com/histo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
http://www.nvidia.com/conte...

[itswinter]

GAIKAI didn't start it either and no one makes it seem like MicroSoft started it. I loved GAIKAI 's demos though... They said no lag, but I did lag a bit sometimes and it didn't always look as good as possible, but I think it's my computers fault. It really kind of sucks. I only heard the PS4 will be able to stream PS3 games... Now I'm confused. Anyways, I used to play GAIKAI demos when I was bored, and it was pretty fun. c: Then SONY bought them. It's cool. I don't care that the PS4 has it but I only wish they bring back the demos. Also the ONE's Cloud is for extra things that wont be able to be done on other platforms. At least that's what Ubisoft said when talking about Watch Dogs. Btw, games like TitanFall and Forza 5 are only scratching the surface. It took what like 8 years for current gen consoles graphics to get maxed out. I can't imagine what the ONE will do 8 years later. I also want to know what the PS4's cloud will do later. It apparently wont be like the ONE's but I still wonder. So basically what I'm saying is, the ONE's Cloud isn't just for small things. So SONY wont really have an advantage. Btw, MicroSoft has said the specs and many other things could change. There is lots that can happen in 6 months. :D

[n4rc]

Not to put too fine a point on this..
But how is a streaming service anyway comparable to cloud computing and dedicated servers?

2 completely different services..

[slampunk]

@ChozenWoan

"The fact that MS has to tout cloud gaming as a boost to the Xbone's power this early in the gen is a bad sign."

So it's a bad sign that developers have access to the cloud prior to launch and MS have their online infrastructure ready?.....why? This only shows that MS are years ahead of Sony in regards to cloud / online infrastructure.

"So while Sony isn't focused on marketing this fact now, we can be sure they are already working on it... in fact that might be why they purchased Gaikai last year when they did. Hmmm"

So Gaikai no being available at launch and only launching in 2014 in the US is a good thing? When will the rest of the world get gaikai?

"Which is why I find it funny that MS is now getting all the credit as if they started this trend."

Sony bought Gaikai for $380 million.....? MS invested and created Azure.....They also invested around 8 billion dollars in 2011 on cloud tech.....XB1 having access to a part of this network is a great asset to the console...

I have no doubt that PS4 will be great....and i'll be getting one.....but

XB1 will have a better online service.....

[nukeitall]

Really?

I will try to keep it short:

* MS spends 25 times the purchase cost of Gakai annually on the cloud. Heck they spent almost double on one datacenter in Iowa than what Gakai is worth!

* streaming games is very different from cloud computing

* look at the coverage map of Gakai and it is pretty damning with huge gaps everywhere.

* the bandwidth required for Gakai means a very small section of users is able to use it. Remember OnLive?

The two latter points alone means you are considerably limited access to this service at a high quality rate.

The cost and scale of all this means, Sony only has option if they are to replicate it, and that is to partner with Google or Amazon. Smaller players like Rackspace isn't going to cut it. However, MS can offer this at cost if they had to, Sony cannot, because their partners will require profit!

To top this off, MS has the software infrastructure built. Nothing indicates Sony is in this space, unless you think Gakai is the same as cloud computing, which we already know, NOT THE SAME!

I could go on, but this is already to long.

[kneon]

@nukeitall

Despite all of Microsofts spending they still typically rank down in the 8-10 range of most list of top cloud computing services.

So there are plenty of cloud service providers that are bigger than Microsoft should Sony decide they need to use cloud computing.

And yes Gaikai is cloud computing. Cloud computing is just running code on remote compute resouces and sending the data back to the users. In the case of Gaikai that data is a video stream. The fact that it's a video stream doesn't negate the fact that it's still cloud computing. It just takes more data because it's video, it's still cloud computing.

[nukeitall]

@kneon:

"
Despite all of Microsofts spending they still typically rank down in the 8-10 range of most list of top cloud computing services."

Wrong!

For the comparison to be valid, it has to be suitable.

For instance, Akamai is a huge cloud company. In fact, their network is among the best covering the largest swaths of land. Why? They are in the content delivery business, meaning they accerelate content to you faster than almost anyone else. However, they would not be able to provide you cloud computing resources.

For that, you have to look at PaaS providers, and even within that space, there are subcategories and then there aren't that many left with the correct scale, because it is damn expensive to have a datawarehouse if you don't have enough customers!

Point being, MS is the only one really best suited for this as Xbox business and Azure is owned by the same company.

Sony could do it, it would just cost them and their developers far more and it likely wouldn't be close to as good. because of the software infrastructure.

"Cloud computing is just running code on remote compute resouces and sending the data back to the users. In the case of Gaikai that data is a video stream. The fact that it's a video stream doesn't negate the fact that it's still cloud computing. It just takes more data because it's video, it's still cloud computing."

Which is why you are completely missing the point, being hung up on defending Sony. Gakai doesn't provision computing resources to developers. If I wanted massive servers do to computation, can I with Gakai?

The answer is no, because Gakai is really closer to a SaaS if anything. It system is setup to stream video with fixed and consistent resources i.e. a particular game running. It has specialized hardware for this.

It isn't distributed computing which is what we are talking about here.

Technically speaking having a small datawarehouse with 10 computers could be considered a cloud, but it doesn't mean it is suitable.

So as I said, there aren't many providers that can pull this off for Sony. Rackspace whom is technically small, and Amazon which is the biggest elephant in the room (bigger than MS at the moment). However, whoever Sony picks, they will run into the same problem, cost and then the software infrastructure.

Partners want profit first!

[DarthZoolu]

Lol Xbox Cloud is many times faster and bigger than gaikai. XCloud is top of the line and growing. Microsoft invested 8 billion in one year, we are talking future tech that is ready to go right now.

[Pixel_Enemy]

"But how is a streaming service anyway comparable to cloud computing and dedicated servers?
2 completely different services.."

How are they different? Streaming a game running on a cloud that does all of the computing so your console doesn't have to is essentially the same thing. What if the computer running the game is MUCH more powerful than the PS4 and your console is just decoding the video. Think before you talk.

[mediate-this]

I say just wait, all will be proven or dis proven with time, micro is on record saying the cloud can benefit xbone with cpu calculations, I believe them, I don't have any reason not to, sony never said (at least to my knowledge) that the cloud can do cpu calculations or make their system x amount times more powerful.

just let time prove these billion dollar companies right or wrong.

[Parapraxis]

itswinter - "Btw, MicroSoft has said the specs and many other things could change. There is lots that can happen in 6 months"

Wow, some people really are this crazy?
Developers are making games for Xbox One as we speak.
MS will not be changing the specs between now and launch.

[JohnJoakly]

I couldn't agree more, and has me even more baffled, as to why Microsoft is trying to tout the cloud, so early into integration.

[moparful99]

All of this arguing about "cloud" computing is just going in circles.. I have spent about hours doing research on cloud computing and more specifically Microsoft's Azure network. No where in any of my research was there any mention of Calculations or any of the processing that a lot of people seem to believe Azure is capable of.. In fact a PDF document I downloaded directly from Microsoft only seems to indicate that Azure is meant for web hosting, encoding, and storage... In Microsoft's own language it spells out that most of it is "virtual" They only have a handful of LARGE purpose built datacenters. This notion that they have 300,000 physical servers seems very far fetched. More then likely that number is a target for "virtual assets" that can be allocated on the fly... I fail to see how any of this benefits gaming outside of scalable dedicated servers depending on game traffic, content streaming/encoding, and data storage..

[nukeitall]

@Pixel_Enemy:

"How are they different? Streaming a game running on a cloud that does all of the computing so your console doesn't have to is essentially the same thing. What if the computer running the game is MUCH more powerful than the PS4 and your console is just decoding the video. Think before you talk."

It is the type of load and how the datawarehouse is geared towards. First of all, Gakai partnering with Nvidia to install specialized hardware to screen grab, encode and stream the game. It is specialized hardware for a specific purpose. This means it won't be efficient or even cost-effective for the cloud stuff MS is doing. The flip side is, MS with Azure doesn't do what Gakai does without a similar approach.

There has been plenty of information released about Gakai and it's setup courtesy of nvidia. OnLive does a similar thing, but with software approach instead of hardware. This means it would be better suited for Azure, but still specialized hardware is still required.

Before one tells others to think, oneself has to first. Otherwise you risk looking like an immature idiot.

@moper:

"No where in any of my research was there any mention of Calculations or any of the processing that a lot of people seem to believe Azure is capable of.."

What do you think those "web hosting, encoding, and storage" that you mentions runs on? They are general purpose servers with virtual machines, which is exactly what you need for this type of load.

"In fact a PDF document I downloaded directly from Microsoft only seems to indicate that Azure is meant for web hosting, encoding, and storage... In Microsoft's own language it spells out that most of it is "virtual" They only have a handful of LARGE purpose built datacenters.

MS Azure is one of the biggest players in cloud and rivals Google, and Amazon in size. Even Amazon only has two handful of dataservers placed strategically around the world. They are placed geographically close to you, but the placement is relative to where the internet backbone is. For instance, Europe and US is separated, because there is an underwater able connecting the two continents. In the US, Amazon has California, Chichago and I believe New York.

For the cloud to be useful to developers, there has to be software infrastructure built. Since this isn't for general companies to use, like their Azure stuff, of course you aren't going to find information about it. This is also in it's infancy, meaning for competitive reasons they want to limit access.

If you were a large enough developer, you would be clued in.

"I fail to see how any of this benefits gaming outside of scalable dedicated servers depending on game traffic, content streaming/encoding, and data storage.."

These servers are excellent for AI, physics, data mining and analysis on demand. They are obviously not to render graphics.

The importance here isn't just the warehouse, it is the software infrastructure. That most devs don't have resources to build.

However, this opens up possibilities like rendering the in game experience based on real world data. Imagine turning on Forza 5 (or in your case GT7) and while lapping around the track, the game renders the weather identical to the current weather at the real world track. What if the AI learned from real drivers on the track continuously.

This is a very exciting time to be a gamer, because games aren't about more graphics and more stuff on screen anymore. Kinect for new game experiences and cloud computing for new possibilities is new frontier. It is now about "new" experiences, not just "more".

[moparful99]

@Nuke So when did 8 gigs of ram become insufficient to be able to handle that kind of processing? Both the PS3 and 360 had 512 of shared Ram and both systems had games that blurred the line of what we thought was possible in games..

With all of this background processing power that the new systems are supposedly capable of why wouldn't the Ps4, for example be able to go online find weather forecasts and updates take that info and render real time weather in game?

GT5 already has dynamic weather on the PS3 so with the vastly greater amount of processing power on tap with the PS4 it seems very likely that real time weather is only a matter of the developers implementing it.

I'm sorry but until I see physical proof that the cloud does what Microsoft claims I will remain skeptical. Microsoft has been guilty of overhyping and under delivering more often than not.

Ohh by the way hasn't it been confirmed that Forza 5 doesn't have dynamic weather at all?

[WeAreLegion]

Largest cloud is Google's.
Fastest cloud is Gaikai's.

That's according to the 2013 Guinness Book of World Records.

Both Microsoft and Sony will be using the cloud this generation, but it won't be for computation.

[Foxgod]

Largest cloud is Amazon, Azure is the second biggest, your information is wrong.

And Clouds cannot be described in speed, only in size, when it comes to cloud tech, the bigger, the better, as bigger clouds have more calculation capabilities.

And your again wrong about the clouds not using for computing, computing is exactly what Azure is for, its not a streaming service, its a computing service, unlike Gaikai.

[Funantic1]

Actually Gaikai is in the 2013 Guinness Book Of World Records for the most widespread cloud gaming network. They are spread around the world but spread very thinly because they have less than 9,000 servers.The Azure cloud has over 300,000 servers. Microsoft is just working to get more servers spread to remote places in the middle of nowhere. Plus Gaikai's servers are used for streaming whereas Microsoft Azure servers will be used for computation. Supposedly the Azure cloud will have more computation than there was in the whole world combined in 1999.

[thehitman]

@Fox completely not really true. There are a lot of factors in determining the capabilities of the "cloud".

You cant just say one cloud is bigger than the other so its better. A cloud is nothing more than a marketing term for an old concept of clusters of computers that make up servers. 1 Server can easily be as powerful as 3 and vice versa. A server of computers can be used for ANYTHING streaming, computation, anything a computer has the ability to do. If MS wanted to stream games across their cloud system they could and if Sony wanted to use their cloud system for computation they could. Also using cloud for computation during live gameplay seems like a gimmick at best unless proven otherwise as latency will always hold back the actions and response.

Dedicated servers and streaming seem to be the only true benefit out of servers of today.

[Foxgod]

Not true, clouds are not the same as computer clusters.

Thats like saying a WAN is nothing more then a marketing term for a LAN.
And a cloud is a WAN, while a cluster of dedicated servers is a LAN.

The difference between the two is the WANS are asynchronous and non administrated (they are soft and hardware controlled), while LANS are directly administrated and locally set up.

Another important difference is the function of a cloud is that it can be used from anywhere, granted you have a good enough connection to it.
A LAN however is designed to be used over a limited distance.

Also i am getting sick of explaining what a cloud is compared to a Local network.

And Sony cannot do it as Gakai its setup and software is not designed to be more then just a streaming service.
Sony would have to do a massive investment to mimic Azure its capabilities.

And your claim that streaming and dedicated servers are the only true benefit is wrong, as current day technology allows asynchronous network managing a lot better then in the old days.
The reason why cloud is getting big now, is because the global connections are getting fast enough, omitting the need of dedicated servers locally.
Because running your own servers is a lot more expensive then simply renting some cloud resources.

[kneon]

@Foxgod

If you're tired of explaining cloud then perhaps you should stop since you don't know what you are talking about.

[thehitman]

@ Fox

Cloud computing is a colloquial expression used to describe a variety of different computing concepts that involve a large number of computers that are connected through a real-time communication network (typically the Internet).[1] Cloud computing is a jargon term without a commonly accepted non-ambiguous scientific or technical definition. In science, cloud computing is a synonym for distributed computing over a network and means the ability to run a program on many connected computers at the same time.

The popularity of the term can be attributed to its use in marketing to sell hosted services in the sense of application service provisioning that run client server software on a remote location. (Source from wiki and not just random information coming from my ass)

You obviously have no idea what your talking about and comparing Wide Area Networks to Local Area Network to Cloud is like comparing apples and oranges. You can have a cloud located on a LAN and a WAN so I dont see your point? Clouds are EXACTLY just that computers/virtual machines that can be accessed from anywhere mainly the internet or some sort of network. If I wanted to build my own cloud from home I can and access it anywhere and have it do anything I want it to do (stream, access data, compute information). This fall I will finish my bachelors in Computer Information Systems mainly directed in Computer Network Security and Web Architecture so I am sure I know a little more than you do on the matter.

[B-radical]

Shhh dont be pro xbox ;)

[ALLWRONG]

FrigidDARKNESS 28 disagrees for the truth. You could just punch in "MS cloud" in any search engine and get those facts without even clicking a link. Here I'll make it easy for those 28, and the 200 who follow that are in denial https://www.google.com/#gs_... Sony bought in later when they realized how important it was.

I wont be buying ether one, going with PC Wii U.

[quenomamen]

And how does this translate into making the X1 3 to 10 times as powerful again ?

[MysticStrummer]

You guys can compare cloud infrastructures all you want, but it's not the issue.

The issue is the user's connection to that infrastructure.

Have fun thinking about what won't happen this generation.

[buynit]

Im thinking im ready and so is my connection..

But i see your point.

[SilentNegotiator]

And furthermore, how many developers are going to spend all of that extra dev time creating cloud-computing portions of games when they JUST received shiny new consoles that will do probably everything they've imagined in the last 7 years?

[JokesOnYou]

"And furthermore, how many developers are going to spend all of that extra dev time creating cloud-computing portions of games"

-Respawn (Titanfall)
"So they built this powerful system to let us create all sorts of tasks that they will run for us, and it can scale up and down automatically as players come and go. We can upload new programs for them to run and they handle the deployment for us. And they’ll host our game servers for other platforms, too!"
http://www.respawn.com/news...

-Insomniac (Sunset Overdrive)
"Price also added that the console's online cloud structure and horsepower would allow more "hardcore data collection, correlation and translation" that would be tough on current generation consoles. "We are going to be relying on heavy back-end services to churn through the data we get from players to understand what they're telling us and what they're doing in the game."
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

-Turn 10 (Forza5)
"I got that, but I also kind of didn’t, I told Greenwalt. How does that actually work? What happens? This, you see — the essence of how these Xbox One games actually work — has been so frustratingly elusive. What does it feel like to play an Xbox game that’s relying on the cloud?"

"He, thankfully, was specific."

"The first time you put the game in, it’ll reach out to the cloud and pull down data from other people’s Drivatars. Immediately, you’ll have opponents in the game who are driving in the style of real people. These Drivatars are imbued with the driving personality and tendencies of real people, Greenwalt told me. So if the person tended to take turns a certain way, pass in certain ways, drive off the road a lot… that will be evident in the virtual version of them against which you compete."

"The actual data going back and forth from the Xbox One to the cloud isn’t that complex, he told me. What’s complex is the work the computers connected in the cloud will do to crunch players’ driving tendencies. Doing that all outside of the Xbox One frees the console from having to use any muscle figuring it out. Eventually, he said, the cloud computing system will begin to discard older data that used to inform a player’s Drivatar. That’s so that the Drivatar more accurately represents how the player’s driving skills have improved or deteriorated."
http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

-Ubisoft (Watch Dogs)
“Physics calculations, similarly, aren't dependent on strict timing. The way a tree reacts to weather, it's physics, right?," Guay explained, "It's bending materials. Well, what if I could run that on the cloud? It doesn't need to be fully synced. There are occasions where there will be an advantage, but it's clear in the short term there's plenty of power within the machines." http://www.strategyinformer...

-This is just the start....there are many more examples of what cloud can contribute.

[SilentNegotiator]

Vague stuff, data collection, player-mimicking AI (already exists), and tree physics.

Revolutionary.
/s

[MysticStrummer]

Funny that Respawn has this to say about the cloud, and it's something no one has felt the need to point out here.

"Let me explain this simply: when companies talk about their cloud, all they are saying is that they have a huge amount of servers ready to run whatever you need them to run. That’s all."

In short, there's nothing inherently special about MS's cloud. It's false to say MS can do it and Sony can't.

As I keep saying though, the most important part of the puzzle is the part that's most commonly ignored by the Branch Cloudians, and that is the connection between the user and those servers.

The average connection speed available in the biggest gaming market will allow a minuscule amount of data to be processed by the cloud. Even a 50mbps connection will only allow a tiny fraction of data per second, when compared to the internal system of the console.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[donman1]

Very misleading title of this article.

[Cuzzo63]

Geesh
@Frigid
Okay man, lets say its all true and we are wrong. But where does it give this massive boost to graphics etc etc. From what im hearing, its not gonna be that big of a game changer. Nevermind cloud. Xb1 is still underpowered for its price. As I see it you guys are funding their agendas lol. Xb1 is underpowered. Cloud is not gonna turn ddr3 ram into gddr3, cloud is not gonna give extra cu's, tflops or speed up the blu ray drive. Yet have we seen anything that gives it a edge in processing power. Its mainly formassive worlds and A.I. I dont care if Xb1 has better flowing water.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Well for one thing GDDR3 is no longer manufactured you meant GDDR5. DDR3 is slower but more efficient but it is helped out by the esram. The final xbox one specs will be announced at at the end of august or september 23 when all the NDA are lifted or ends. The specs you see now on paper will be much different. The xbox one GPU will be customized from the next generation of AMD/aTI Radeo technology that will be GCN 2.0.

[Cuzzo63]

Lol im sorry. Gddr5 then. Yea it might be more efficient... in a pc. But if you do ur research you will find the the way its implemented on the same die the issues aren't the same as in a pc. Information does not have to travel far. As far as actual specs. Same goes for the ps4. Spec are not 100% yet. I doubt that when all specs are laid out. Ps4 will stillhave the advantage. We will see soon. But the issue at hand is the cloud. Its not gonna give a performance boost and if it did, will all developers take advantage of it. Look at the ps3 and the cell. They said it was difficult to develop for. Along with the weaker gpu in the ps3 developers were not taking advantage of it, hence the better performing multiplats. 1st partys on the other hand told a different story. Now if Micro 1st partys take advantage and it proves useful the I will give them props. But as of right now, nothing ground breaking so that why lots are calling bs on that.

[JUDALATION]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! Cloud is JUST some bullshit that Microsoft came up with to hide the fact that the PS4 has a 50 percent faster CPU and 20 percent faster ROM! I play on PC and Cloud can only be used to calculate weather or AI Because those calculations dont have to be done every frame! Since COD does not use AI or Weather changes it does not NEED Cloud! To render graphics via cloud is stupid because the Latency and Broadband delays would be too slow! Thats why GPUs Clocks TFLOPS FAST

[kingliam3]

Your research team has been working hard.
However.. Fire them :)

[Pixel_Enemy]

Who titled this article? He didn't mention the PS4 once in the entire video.

[kewlkat007]

MS's cloud infrastructure is not all about a bunch of dedicated servers. Been telling you that.

Microsoft build the Xbox One for the "FUTURE" and regardless what naysayers may think of it or how it will be used, we will leave up to the devs.

Sony has always been aggressive and usually has taken risk with every Sony console. I feel like they have played it safe this coming generation of console to regain some of the rep they lost last gen. Besides a spec bump in GPU and Ram, what are they bringing new to the table? There is no risk or anything to say they have set themselves apart form the competition a big way like we are used to.

From what I've been hearing from the devs, I believe, the Xboxone will separate itself from the PS4 with the advantages MS is bringing with XBL experience. I call this added benefits and tools devs can choose to create with or take advantage of for the life of the console because the infrastructure will be there from the start.

When Ms comes to you and say, we already got the Infrastructure, you think a dev is not going to get giddy...

[DonFreezer]

Please do you want to lose your bubbles?If it's not smoething related to the super powered gddr5 or to the tetraflops of the ps4's gpu it holds nothing.From what I have read Microsoft has made one hell of an investment and everything those guys said made me extremely excited about the future of online gaming.Shut your mouth ps drones and watch the king hail to his thrown.

[T2]

well if you are all right about how great ms servers and teh cloud is, then I will be happy to pick up an xbone in 2015, for about 349 dollars.
but until I see valid proof of anything special, i am just gonna keep staring at the paperweight that my 360 has become.

[Mounce]

I tell you what, FrigidDARKNESSS

Your head is in the clouds......and that's never a good thing when it comes to someones ability to think.

[nypifisel]

Pff, a better question is, have YOU got the internet infrastructure in your neighbourhood to support cloud computing?... Nope. People need to stfu and understand that it does NOT work today. The user base wont have fast enough connection to support it, no matter how much money MS puts on servers.

Cloud = Dedicated servers -> no magic, been around for as long as the internet. Cloud computing is too latency sensitive to work today.. My god.

[theWB27]

It's been stated so may times that it works. CD Projekt Red has stated it. Respawn...I think you know who. Micro has poured billions of dollars into it and yet you still think it's fake.

Cloud=Dedicated servers->no magic, been around as long as the internet.

By that close minded statement you think no advancements have been made since the internet came around?

I'm glad people who think so little like you aren't in the position to think further and advance tech. Cause obviously you wouldn't be looking to do more. Be more suited to be an car manufacturer.

[nypifisel]

Not a single developer have specifically said anything about cloud computing, the only praise to have come from developers is that MS finally got dedicated servers they can utilize.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

gtfo frigiddarkness , with your multiple accounts giving yourself agrees and well said lol.

[showtimefolks]

sony has said their cloud service can do everything xbox one's

so let's leave it to that till we get the consoles and can see how developers use each's playform's different offerings

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

so let's not jump the gun

[Godmars290]

MS is talking about increases in overall game quality, whereas as Sony is just talking about allowing for BC. One's going for proven while the other pretty much says "trust us" when they've given no reason to trust them. Just the opposite.

[B-radical]

Im sure we can trust many of the developers that have been praising it thus far?

[Godmars290]

Like how they praised the Wii then made nothing for it? Or like Kinect, which received praise for years before it was even released, then again saw nothing but either children's games, party titles or just something with broken gameplay.

All this "MS have won the cloud" is meaningless until it is actually what value cloud support offers. What people are going to have to do to get it.

[b3ast]

no you can't trust them they been payed lol. if u pay me ill say whatever u wanna hear

[nukeitall]

Titanfall already proves the cloud.

Respawn went to both Sony and MS, only MS came back with answer about the massive need for disributed cloud processing power and the game requires the cloud!

Forza 5 and driveatar is another. This is just the tip of it, as we already know as the generation matures we will even see more innovations.

That is already several reasons to trust, but it wouldn't matter to a Sony fangirl, because unless Sony says it, it isn't to be trusted!!!

[thehitman]

Actually Respawn said they only went str8 to MS and they cut a deal with them almost day one since they started their studio. Titanfall proves nothing since its not even out and the fact its on PC as well will that version use MS cloud as well? I am pretty sure it wont as MS will only want to allocate resources to the xb1 version. That in itself calls out the gimmick that it is. The only reason for it not being on Sony platform is $$$$.

[quenomamen]

Ooooh I'm sure TitanFall ( COD with Mechs ) can only be possible on the X1. Oh yes, I mean the fact that it has 30% less power than the PS4 actually makes it possible. Lolz

[SpideySpeakz]

Titanfall doesn't prove much because its also on PC and 360. C'mon, it runs a engine that is a decade old.

Fail.

[DigitalRaptor]

Titanfall is also coming to 360 and PC. The only reason it's not on PS4, at least not at launch, is because of that thing that Microsoft loves most. Keep the delusions coming, because after years and years of smoke and mirrors treatment from this company, it's just going to make the laughs harder.

[nypifisel]

Titanfall wants the benefit of dedicated servers.. NOT cloud computing. argh.

[spockontherock]

How does it prove? The game is not even out yet.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

nukeitall get to troll and talk BS and yet keeps his bubbles/ mods are a joke.

[nukeitall]

I will leave you with this:

When asked if Xbox One’s cloud computing capabilities would help TitaFall, Respawn developers had this to say:

“You couldn’t make this game without having that kind of dedicated server support.”

Not only that, but since Respawn won’t be using the Xbox cloud on the PC version of TitanFall they say the PC version won’t be as good as Xbox One version. Or at least they hint at that. They said:

“We won’t get all the nice-ities on PCs that you get on Xbox One. There will be some re-engineering things.”

http://gimmegimmegames.com/...

@thehitman:

Microsoft’s dedicated cloud servers allow Respawn to implement more and better AI, physics, and environments, eliminate the “host advantage” that plagues many online games, thwart some forms of cheating, boost matchmaking speeds, eliminate the need to pause the game when the host player quits, and improve visuals and audio by taking full advantage of the console hardware and leaving other tasks to the cloud processors.

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.co...

Also:

"I [John Shiring, Respawn] personally talked to both Microsoft and Sony and explained that we need to find a way to have potentially hundreds-of-thousands of dedicated servers at a price point that you can’t get right now. Microsoft realized that player-hosted servers are actually holding back online gaming and that this is something that they could help solve, and ran full-speed with this idea."

Read more: http://www.respawn.com/news...

Proof is right there with Forza 5 and Titanfalls. Enuff said!

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Shuhei Yoshida has already publicly said that Gaikai can do cloud computing if developers want to use it in that way. So no, you are wrong saying it can only stream.

[gamertk421]

He lies.

[mark134uk]

im a sony fan,but i think the future is the cloud and at the min ms are ahead with this,however i dont think developers will start taking full advantage of the cloud for a few years giving sony a op to invest the psn money,either in servers or a partner like google

[mediate-this]

PR dribble, you think the boss will go on record saying the ps4 cant do what the one can?

[b3ast]

Only MS lies my friend

[LackaJaKane]

I guarantee you can't find a link where yoshida said developers can use gaikai for cloud computing if they desire

[OpieWinston]

So you come back with a lieing piece of shits "Promises" cool story indeed.

Gaikai CAN'T perform Cloud Computing, the people that worked there already confirmed that. Is it really that hard to understand?

BTW your picture is of "CoD Ghosts". Already your argument is invalid.

[Foliage]

@Opie

I think you should learn what "cloud computing" means. Your comment is a huge fail.

That's like saying water isn't wet.

[MellauxGMNG]

People like you will always find a way to turn a positive of microsoft/xb1 into a negative

[Godmars290]

Stop acting or talking like the XB1 has already heralded in a new era in gaming and taken over for the good of all when the damn thing isn't even out yet!

Stop talking positively about the f***ing thing when you don't even have it in your living room.

[MellauxGMNG]

Where in my comment am I "acting or talking like the XB1 has already heralded in a new era in gaming and taken over for the good of all" ?

Im simply stating that people will always find something bad in whatever Microsoft does, and youre one of those people. This whole cloud thing to me seems like a good thing, developers can utilise it to make their games even better. Wheres the problem in that?

You also said "Stop talking positively about the f***ing thing when you don't even have it in your living room." So because I dont own the console yet it means I have to only say bad things about it?

[Godmars290]

"So because I dont own the console yet it means I have to only say bad things about it?"

At the very least you should question things about it, like I question things about the PS4. Like I'm questioning any validity towards cloud support and the XB1 in light of the lack of any evidence.

Likewise, evidence of me being negative towards the XB1 would be my reaction to its originally announced DRM policies. Which if generally taken positively and without question would still be in effect.

[T2]

Godmars is right, this speculation is fun and entertaining but when I *glare at my 360, I am not seeing a bunch of fulfilled promises, its a dead system right now. PS4 is offering a lot for 399, if MS pulls their crap together I could indeed buy one. But not without proof, and so far I haven't seen sh#@

[Gimmemorebubblez]

On current world wide internet speeds the cloud is going to do NOTHING for most people.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

The same thing was said about xbox live in 2001 .

[Gimmemorebubblez]

I'd be happy to be proven wrong ;)! But Physics calculations, streaming of textures, and even entire games is impossible on most peoples internet speeds.

[Rainstorm81]

......and 5 years later Xbox Live became relevant on Xbox360 ......because it surely wasn't relevant in 2001

Edit: Maybe I'm being too harsh it became somewhat relevant on Xbox Prine when Halo 2 launched in 2004, but then again it did nothing for most people till X360

[BattleTorn]

@rainstorm81

Xbox Live prior to Halo 2 was the shit!!

[InTheLab]

It was true back in 2001...

[n4rc]

Wrong..

Most people seem to equate the cloud with having to stream all data back to the user..

This is server side stuff.. Just like titanfalls ai. Ai is plugged into the server and will have less latency issues then you will..

Or it does back end physics for the game world..

Bandwidth is not a limiting factor.. Think of it as a math problem that take up 4 pages.. But the answer is 3..

Now does sending the answer the same as calculating it locally? Sending that 3 is peanuts but getting to the answer takes processing power

[forcefullpower]

Please stop taking about cloud computing you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

If a game is online only then they can use distributed computing (cloud) for stuff like ai as the worlds run server side like every fucking mmo that has been around for the last 15 year. You will not be getting cloud doing back end physics as this still has to be done locally to be displayed on screen in real time.

Bandwidth is a massive limiting factor do you know how most people Internet connection has everything up 150ms ping time and that doesn't even include issues for jitter and actually download and upload speed.

Anything outside of that is utter rubbish and will not make singleplayer games any better than what is running on the local machine which are already very powerful.

[Foliage]

@force

Thanks. Some people just accept PR bait. The Xboner crowd is in particular highly taken by bait; with no research or attempt to see if any of it makes any theoretical sense.

[oscarcat59]

Azure already exists. Servers all over the world and 10 billion spent. Yes it will work but how much who knows. How it will be used is yet to be learned. Let me guess negative nay sayers still believe men cannot fly in planes lol

[KillrateOmega]

I'll believe MS's claims concerning the cloud, when I see it; however, I have trouble seeing how they're going to get the around the limits of the current state of our internet infrastructure.

[B-radical]

Will have to wait for watch dog comparisons?

[Foxgod]

There are no limitations, it depends on your own internet state.

If you want to watch hd movies trough a streaming service, your also out of luck if you got crappy internet.
You cant blame the streaming provider for that.

[KillrateOmega]

So they'll basically be releasing a game that will be of varying quality from system-to-system based on each individual's internet connection?
(If I'm off on this, please let me know.)

That seems like something that'll aggravate a lot of people.

[Foxgod]

Are people aggravated on not being able to stream HD video, while others can?

Its impossible to offer everybody the same experience, no matter what you offer.

[MysticStrummer]

"There are no limitations, it depends on your own internet state"

That is the limitation. Even with a 50mbps connection, the One can process much much much more data than the cloud can deliver, and PS4's memory is faster than One's.

According to Digital Foundry, the average connection in the world's largest gaming market will allow 1/20000 of the data to be processed by the cloud.

[Parapraxis]

"Its impossible to offer everybody the same experience, no matter what you offer."

Unless you know, the game is made for a console where it's almost guaranteed to be the same for all users.
One of the main benefits for consoles is that devs have one target, and know the specs are the same for every owner of a given platform.

[KarateExplosion]

Your comparison is flawed. Streaming HD movies.. Im paying $60 for this game. It better run the same as everyone else. A good comparison to that would be PC gamers. The only difference there is you can order the parts you need to run your game at higher settings. If you are stuck in a place with bad internet then you are stuck. Shouldnt punish the owner for where they live.

[Foliage]

@Para

"Unless you know, the game is made for a console where it's almost guaranteed to be the same for all users.
One of the main benefits for consoles is that devs have one target, and know the specs are the same for every owner of a given platform. "

Wow. the point just flew way over your head. Is the cloud running inside the Xbone or does the Xbone access it through the internet? Use your head.

Devs DO NOT KNOW what the costumers internet connection will be like.

[Agent_hitman]

That MS's PR cloud is nothing but a pile of bullcrap. Who would want a console always connected online, especially if you're living in a 3rd world country where internet is expensive even the 1-2mbps plan?..

Mandatory connection within 24 hours is just a waste.. Cloud power just to super charge xbone is another pile of crap just to uplift it's hype..

All I am saying is, majority of gamers are not interested in that gimmicks, they just want a gaming devices and play online, not to supercharge their system with a cloud crap!>

[itswinter]

Always connected? Where the hell have you been... I mean, seriously?? Wow, I'm sorry but your comment really annoyed me. No 24 hour check-ins and no always online. A ton of stuff people hated has been removed. There is no region lock and many things will still change. The only time connection is needed is RIGHT when you set up you XBOX ONE. It has to do an update. After that, you never NEED it. Of course you need internet connection to update things, but you don't have to update things. If you don't have good connection, or lose connection a lot, you can get things when you get it back, but the only time you ACTUALLY NEED it is when you first set it up.

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

But if the Xbox is using "teh cloudz" for their games to look a bit shinier or whatever then the console has to be connected online I am right?
So if I wasn't connected I wouldn't be able to play the game?
So in a sense it's always online.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Only DRM was changed. You are still required to have internet BC it's a ”cloud” based system.

[slampunk]

Did you guys miss E3 this year?

Destiny
The Crew
The Division
Titanfall

are all "online only" games and next gen hasn't started yet......Do you think it will stop there? both systems are going online whether we like it or not...

[Cursinguser]

Exactly. No matter which console you're buying, a majority of the larger publishers are releasing online-centric games. No matter how you shake it, internet is going to be required to enjoy these these titles. The "always on" push is happening whether we want it or not.

[Nocando]

It amazes me that all of the sudden online only gaming is this huge barrier. I believe it's only because Sony fans realize that their console of choice is at a serious disadvantage in this area, so they paint it in a bad light. Then they turn around and say, oh, well Sony has Gaikai, and it can do the same thing. So which is it?

[Parapraxis]

And for users who do not want to go online, they can buy other games.
Having the option in the hands of consumers is a far better option than forcing everybody to be online at all times.

[Foliage]

@Nocando

That's a 2 way street. Xboners are putting all their faith in the cloud and the promises associated with it; as you all know the Xbone console is at a disadvantage in every single technical aspect.

Your arguments pretty much sound like: "I don't need technology; I have faith and magic!"

Microsoft is using PR spin to sell a feature that has already been used on any game that ever utilized a server. There is nothing additional special about it. Sony can do the very same thing; heck, the Wii U can as well. Why stop there; you could use this technology in almost every gaming platform ever released.

If a PS4 accessed Azure; it would have the same capabilities being spun by Microsoft. If the PS4 accessed any server (including Gaiki); it would have the same capacity. Heck, the PS3 even utilized other PS3s for cloud computing. There is absolutely nothing new here; just PR spin.

Gaikai has been at this a hell of a lot longer; no need to worry about the PS4. Worry about your limited internet connections.

[quenomamen]

Youre talking to a bunch COD playing 14 year olds who think a bunch of servers actually makes a console process information faster. Turns out all these PC makers have been lying to us all along . We don't need faster CPUs or better video cards. No just more servers. What a joke.

[jXales]

I hope They pull it off,

But as mentioned how will it work

If you live here here or here your game will be more dynamic better awesome cloud powah!!

If you live anywhere else you're SOL. #dealwithit

Doubt that'd work :)

[Nicaragua]

You list a load of articles, but then point out how inaccurate some of the information in these articles is, that just to me highlights what a crock of shit this whole cloud thing is.

MS invested a lot of money in the cloud for office 365, for sharepoint online, for skype. When they reel off all this talk of datacentres to gamers then it gives the false impression that all this money and resources is there just for the Xbox, in reality its just going to make very little difference to gamers.

[n4rc]

Why? Because you don't think it will and choose to ignore what everyone explains to you?

The arrogance around here is astounding.. Lol

[Nicaragua]

No not for those reasons, and if you knew anything about the subject then you wouldn't be making a tit of yourself trying to defend something you have no knowledge of.

Go read this article by unbiased experts who don't have a game or console to market and then come back and tell me what i am ignoring and how arrogant I am.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Until then your just another idiot who types lol because they have nothing more intelligent to say.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ Nicaragua

Wow. You've actually got more disagrees than agrees for posting an unbiased fact-based Digital Foundry article. It's probably because it exposes some sore truths about this whole cloud business that Microsoft is focusing our attention towards, to draw attention away from how under-powered their multimedia box is.

This whole "cloud" defense is just as amusing and sad as the defense against the removal of the "family sharing plan" where Xbox fans actually believed Microsoft and publishers would allow you to share all of your purchased games with 10 friends.

Microsoft has their fans believing their marketing PR nonsense more than any other company.

[gaelic_laoch]

Everyone needs to get their heads out of the clouds and back down to reality. Cloud Gaming is completely unproved for quality as of yet, ye are getting sucked into a massive marketing distraction at the moment!

[dantesparda]

Ding, ding, ding! and the winner is, you sir have hit the nail right on the head. Boy are half these fanboys in for a surprise

[DonFreezer]

Yup.If Sony starts using the cloud then we can talk but since it's Microsoft it must be crap right?Shut your freaking mouth delusional ps drones we are sick of you.

[DigitalRaptor]

You mean you are sick of the people talking with their brains and customizing their sentences with logic, rather than submitting to anti-consumerism for faith in absolutely unproven "innovation" from a company attempting to save face.

I guess Eurogamer's Digital Foundry are all "delusional ps donres" too? http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... How easily you fall into Microsoft's traps. If "ps drones" hadn't spoken out against DRM and real gamers hadn't expressed their dissatisfaction with Microsoft by pre-ordering a PS4 instead, you'd be singing their praises whilst accepting the loss of your consumer rights and celebrating the fact that you support an anti-consumer corporation. Don't talk to me about "drones".

[B-radical]

As far as i know Sony have only talked about bc streaming playstation games. I dont know what tools microsoft or sony are offering to developers regarding the cloud but it seems to be more of advantage at this point to MS.

Be cool to see sony announce what other tools they will provide

[Android]

Although its interesting to speculate, i think people are overdoing it now lol

[Foxgod]

This gen will take a massive leap toward openworld games.
And in openworld games a lot of physics and AI crunching is going on.

MS their Azure Cloud tech that allows direct computing into the game your are playing, will make everything feel a lot more lively.
Just dont expect to see big differences on early games, because the software for the cloud as well as the cloud size is still under development.

I also repeatedly pointed out before that Gaikai cannot be compared to Azure, Gaikai is indeed just a streaming app service.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Gaikai can do cloud computing also if developers wish to do so, Shuhei Yoshida has already confirmed this.

Stop spreading misinformation!

[clevernickname]

What a load of rubbish. You're shouting at the rain in the clouds if you actually think Microsoft's cloud computing claptrap is going to do real time AI and game physics.

You have swallowed Microsoft's marketing doublespeak hook, line, and sinker.

[dcj0524]

It can stream games. Can't it stream AI&Physics?

[GodGinrai]

I really didnt want to chime in on this but....

Anybody who says sonys cloud infrastucture is on par with MS has lost their marbles. Do some research is all im gonna say. Now..Im off to enjoy the weather. As you were kiddies.

[MysticStrummer]

The problem isn't the infrastructure, it's the user's connection to that infrastructure.

[GameCents]

. . .and the goal posts are shifted yet again.
For a while it really was the infrastructure. Now that has been proven to be leagues ahead, it is the connection to the infrastructure. Why don't we let the people who are paid to do these things (read: professionals) worry about what exactly can and cannot be delivered through the users' connection.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't work so hard at something like this if they didn't believe we'd be able to benefit from it right now with our current connections.

Or did I miss the part were xbox live now requires 100Mb/s connection?

[MysticStrummer]

@GameCents - I'm not sure why that's directed at me. I haven't shifted any goal post and the connection to the servers is, was, and will always be the main concern. Digital Foundry had a very good article on why this is the case.

A 100MB/s connection to XBL isn't required and no one said it was, so I don't know why you bring it up except to try and confuse the issue. Maybe you're just confused.

In the world's biggest gaming market, the average connection will allow 1/20000 the amount of data to be processed by the cloud that can be processed by PS4's internal memory. Even One's internal memory can process much much much more data than the cloud can deliver.

[Supermax]

The truth hurts.10 billion dollars,flawless multiplayer,more dynamic worlds,and twins!

[mark134uk]

also remember it took developers 7 years to get the max out of current gen,its going to take years for them to take advantage of the next gen,so adding cloud on top of that your talking 12+ years

3-5 years the games will look the same on both next gen

5-10 years the ps4 will dominate with its power

however in 12 years time if sony havnt invested in the cloud they will be in trouble,however sony are not stupid and will be more than ready for this time

[ChipdiddyChip]

Pulling stats out of your ass I see

[Belking]

It's not even a contest. Sony's cloud won't even be ready until sometime in 2014 and will only be used for streaming. They won' have the dedicated servers of xbox live nor will devs use it for their games. xb1 azure cloud servers are the better ones here.

[N4realGMRZ]

Amazing how the DIehards are jumping on "teh Cloud" now that its outlined adavantages have been clearly highlighted by Devs as opposed to MS themselves, There all like "oh yeah!!! well sony has clouds tooooo!!!! duh!!!!" Sony's systems is becoming a cheaper and poor mans next gen machine by the day when we read things like these, good luck with yje ancient hosted server games......Whack! ohhh and cheap!

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

People just need to get their heads out of the clouds

[CalamityCB]

The matter of fact is we wont know how either the PS or XB clouds shall do, they have never been underthe pressure of millions of gamers before and we wont truly the know the so called "power of the cloud" until later in the consoles life time.
Either way it is too early for a comparison.

[dcj0524]

Sony can probably do this too but not as fast as microsoft. They've been working on ot since 2009 sony since 2012. On gaikai you can stream games. On Azure you can stream computing power and have low latency dedicated servers. I don't like you microsoft but good job.

[N8]

All this cloud stuff is imaginary until I see some proof.

[extermin8or]

I've reached the point where I actually can't be bothered to even reply to some of the people on here. I swear when I go for a shit- what I flush away has more intelligence than half the people commenting put together. I can't be bothered to go on depth into this but to all the people going on about how many millions MS is spending on cloud tech do really think even a fraction of that will be used for gaming? A relatively limited market for the hardcore games that would have proper use of the cloud? Because it won't be-MS would NEVER pull a profit on that. It would be insane their shareholders would have their heads on platters over the sums of money your are talking about. And @mikemyers I haven't even bothered to read most of your comment I got a short way in and the sheer amount of total shit you were spouting was threatening to suffocate me. Are Microsoft paying you? I'd not I suggest you speak to them because I tell you what they fucking well should be-you've got more bullshit in your first few sentences than the PR companies of all 3 major games hardware companies have released for the last 3 generations combined... And the announcement of the ps3 and xb1 were both full of it on record high levels.

[resi5]

I'm seeing a lot of people saying cloud computing is important yet before the next gen reveals no one gave a Damon seems to me like fanboys from with sides are grasping at straws. Microsoft's cloud won't exponentially increase the power of x1s and gaikai won't stream games flawlessly both the azure and gaikai will be similar and won't offer anything that could give one console the edge over the other. Both consoles will be similar as well just like this gen. And for people quoting the watch dogs interview that was in relation to this gen consoles.

[GABRIEL1030]

They're selling only smoke, the cloud is an hypothetical add, because the Xbox One lacks of power, its processor is 40% less powerful than PS4's and Xbone uses the old DDR3 memories when the next year the PC will have the new DDR4.

[buynit]

FIGHT!

[Dead_Cell]

Technologically I think Microsoft is pushing Cloud-based computing to a level that has more benefits in the future than what Sony is aiming to do with their brand of it, as Sony's is more based upon a distribution service than what MS is offering. It's a really impressive vision they have for the technology when it's understood and not just bled over by fanboys, and they seem to have already built the infrastructure to get started with it.

Whether they can "sell" it at at such an infant level as a console is debatable, but still good luck to them.

[-Gespenst-]

So wait, if I'm playing my games on an X1 without a connection they won't perform as well due to the lack of connection to the cloud??

Also relying on the cloud for game performance seems like it would eat into your bandwidth and dl limit...

[MWong]

The thing I don't get is 99% of the world doesn't have the bandwidth or latency to handle true "cloud computing." I don't care if they have 300K servers, if we can't don't have the bandwidth on our side what good does it do for us?

[oscarcat59]

If you can afford to spend the money on a game machine most likely you will have an internet connection. The so called cloud at first will help with the small things freeing up the console resources. Over time it will get used to a greater extent as the cloud gets stronger and bandwidths improve. Remember when the first xbox had an Ethernet connections and many saw that as garbage now look what we have today.

[MWong]

Not what I am talking about at all. The thing is no country has the infrastructure or bandwidth to truly utilize "cloud computing." To the point where it will be amazing as M$ is talking about.

Guess we'll all have to wait and see what M$ & Sony are going to do with the cloud.

[SniperControl]

Fanboy Tennis!

[oscarcat59]

lol a good name for this

[Ripsta7th]

But i heard Sony fanboys talk about the cloud all along with Gaikai ,,, ??

[Jaqen_Hghar]

and all the MS fanboys said internet speeds weren't fast enough for it to work...

[oscarcat59]

I see most on here have no clue of what they speak. If Gakai was so great why was sony able to buy it at 380 million. Kind of cheap don't you think? If it was profitable don't you think it would have cost more? Just one server farm costs ms 500 million. I think sony has a lot of work cut out for them to have it even close to what ms will have to offer. BC will look great on it but anything else will not work very well I bet. And sonys pocket are not that deep at this time. Their electronics division is going broke fighting lg and Samsung to name a few. And selling the ps4 at a lost or very small profit is not helping out. I do believe it will be awhile before sony has anything close to what ms has in server and cloud support. By the way Azure does cloud support for larger companies it will be able to do the same for games.

[MisfitsInc]

Sony already said that their version of the Cloud can do all the same stuff that M$'s version can.

[oscarcat59]

Yes they said that but how well will it be done is the question. I can say I can fly but not mention I have to get on a plane to do so.

[MisfitsInc]

i agree with you 100% but the fact is, that people act like it isn't possible for Sony to do it, and it's only possible with Microsoft

[Jaqen_Hghar]

unless you're Superman and just fucking with us all

[fenixm]

If they make dedicated servers for every xbox one game that be sweet.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

PS3 already had dedicated servers and Xbox fans acted like it was terrible (Resistance, Killzone, and a few others had them)

[kingPoS]

Hmmm... cloud computing sounds a lot like bitorrent.

Shots have been fired - with an AK

[crazyeightz]

Wow, I went from wanting an Xbox One to not wanting an Xbox One and preordering a PS4 till now after reading this article, wanting to switch back to Xbox One. Argh man the back and forth is killing me maybe I should just pop money down and get both systems.

[GodGinrai]

Yes! get both. now all ya gotta do is work out wich one comes first! At the moment Im just sitting back and letting both companies compete for the "buy first" from me. Either way I gotta have em both within six months of each other. I couldnt give a a rats ass about a "console war" tbh.

[kewlkat007]

Besides the video, for those still confused..READ message 1.2.5 and 1.2.7 for explanation on the difference between what Microsoft has been investing in and what Sony just purchased. As well as what it would take for Sony to catch up. Sony is in no financial position to do currently.

Great Post by nukeitall.

Microsoft not only has the infrastructure while looking to overtake "Amazon S3" but it has the software on top of it to make it work well. Of course this is not new technology but with the way MS wants a console to use it, it's breaking some new grounds. Not talking about simple Onlive/Gaikai tasks.

People forget, Microsoft is not just a console manufacturing company. They invest heavily in other technology. Some of this tech is making it's way to the console business.

[LackaJaKane]

If cloud computing turns out to be the real deal and enhance gaming experiences on the One psfanboys will say it's because the One is weak and needs help from the cloud. but if cloud computing then becomes a part of the ps4, all of a sudden it's not because the system is weak, but will find a way to turn it into something positive. like charging for online multiplayer.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Kinda like how Xbox fanboys downplayed the cloud when PS4 announced it and said internet wasn't fast enough for it till 2020. Funny how things turn out.

[windblowsagain]

Could not give a toss about clouds. Except the ones in the sky.

Just pick the games that you want to play and buy that system.

[unknownbystander]

Sony took the everyone's in approach-
whether you are fortunate enough to have a stable internet connection or not. You don't have to worry about performance since it doesn't rely much in cloud computing (not that it can't do so in the future).

Microsoft took the whether you're in or you're out approach -
In order to get the benefits of the cloud, you need a constant internet connection. Who knows, in the future you're probably going to need constant internet connection in order to play certain games because the need cloud computing.

Honestly though I think all 3 (Wii U, PS4, Xbox One) are going to be okay as long as they listen to the consumers and be more consumer friendly.

[Sleepless]

Gaikai 380 million $
Azure 10 billion $

Interesting difference isn't it? I think Sony is trying to get the train of cloud servers, little later than Microsoft. Buying Gaikai could be a reaction of Microsoft's Azure dont you think?

IMHO

[BLAKHOODe]

I'm pretty sure I saw an article already posted on N4G that quoted one of Sony's top guys saying that Sony's cloud can do everything Microsoft's cloud can do.

So, if that's true, this whole debate is pointless.

As for what games will be better till Sony gets it's clouds up and running sometime in 2014. Well, keep in mind, games are never at their best on launch. So, even if Microsoft's cloud is ready, we're still going to see limitations on how developers use it, inwhich case, the PS4's better hardware will probably even out anything the Microsoft cloud enhances. So, there won't be much of a difference. We really won't know until the consoles release, though. And then again when Sony releases it's cloud.

[AceofStaves]

This is definitely a 'wait and see' situation. MS' cloud may be a fantastic addition to gaming, or it may flop. Sony may be able to stream games effortlessly, or it may flop. Either way, the success of the cloud approaches will have less to do with each company's infrastructure and more with the Internet connections of the people accessing the cloud services.

If they prove successful, will gaming become a 'tiered' experience? It used to be that when you bought a console, any game purchased for that console would work. With the reliance on the cloud, will those with poor Internet connections get an inferior play experience? Fiber op is just being made available in my area, yet I can't get it because I live in a condo building and not a single-family home. Unless there's some radical upgrade in affordable 'Net infrastructure, relying too much on stable, high-speed connections could be very risky for both companies.

Either way, I'm going to sit back and see how it plays out.

[LobbycastGeoff]

The bit about "Watch Dogs" was interesting. I think that gives a good idea of the less apparent benefits of cloud computing.

[jdawg222]

both "cloud" systems in the end will be about the same. if not gaikai being a little better. maybe azure is bigger, and had more money spent on it. but that does not always equate to the best product. gaikai has already been used for games, and is "faster" i guess. quality, not quantity. especially when the larger part of the people don't want to have to connect all the time, or might not be able to. by the time you need that many servers, sony will be ready, but for now they have smaller (because that's the demand)but more than efficient "cloud" capabilities.

[GodGinrai]

"both "cloud" systems in the end will be about the same. if not gaikai being a little better. maybe azure is bigger, and had more money spent on it"

And thats the point. MS have spent more on their server farms (of which is considerably larger than gaikai) AND are already using them for said applications. Gaikai just streams. Dont fool yourself into thinking Gaikai is anywhere near as robust or capable as azure. And thats without bringing the consoles into the equation. MS are a tech company. Seriously , go do some research. It is NOT the same as gaikai!

"gaikai has already been used for games, and is "faster" i guess" ... yes its already used for games but you "guess" its faster based on that? srteaming and cloud computing are not the same thing. This is why you should do some research!

To be honest your entire post shows that you have NO idea what you are talking about.

[jdawg222]

you know dude, your right, i dont know what i'm talking about with "cloud" , and no else does either.

[kewlkat007]

still confused..READ message 1.2.5 and 1.2.7 for explanation on the difference

[shuuwai]

80% people here don't' know how the server works and same goes for the MS PR people that don't know s*** either. Wait, if they could sell paywalls, I'm sure they could sell this idea too the million MS's user that are suckers. -_-;; I wish Wii U had PS4 Hardware. ;-(

Bring on the Disagree!!!!

[GodGinrai]

Thats whats so funny to me about N4g...when a racing sim comes up, everybody is suddenly a pro driver. when tech specs come up they are all engineers. When talk of cloud computing comes up, suddenly everybody is an IT tech expert.I personally dont give the N4G community that much credit.

I remember the post about the edge cover the other day proclaiming the PS4 as the "only choice" when I got to the article and read the comments on edges page , they were worried about attracting "spotty PS4 fantards in droves" to their comment section. Im just quoting one of their forum members.funny how that works , eh?

[Jaqen_Hghar]

you're quoting one person and saying his opinion reflects the majority of a company's fans? Yes that is quite funny how that works...for you

[TripC50]

Yeah but what are the clouds shaped like?

[GodGinrai]

They are shaped like marsh mellow topped doughnuts.... doooooughnuts....

[jams_shop]

From what know so far it looks like with the xbox one, they want you to be connected to the cloud, with the PS4 YOU want to connected to it.

[Sarobi]

I won't buy into the theoretical cloud talk. You can write every detail about how this COULD WORK or SHOULD WORK on paper, and it may not translate in real time the same way.

I find it interesting that when the discussion of cloud comes up, EVERYONE IS CONNECTED ONLINE. But when the discussion was a 24hr check or any sort of thing like that... it was a different story. The harsh reality is not everyone can benefit from cloud games.. just as people wouldn't be able to benefit from the system when the check-ins were still here.

Microsoft believes cloud computing can do a lot of things, and IF they get it to work as they say.. it still varies to how it translates from user to user. If cloud is used for something important.. what happens to the offline user? or the user who is using a shaddy 5mb connection that isn't stable.. it degrades the game.

[BLAKHOODe]

It's like this...

It doesn't matter if you have 300,000 cheeseburgers or 10,000 cheeseburgers. All you need is 1 or 2 to fill you up.

Numbers don't matter. The quality and ability to do whats needed is what matters. Who cares HOW it works, as long as it works.

[H0RSE]

I'm convinced the cloud services will hold more merit over actual hardware specs of each system. The cloud services are ultimately going to determine the features and play experience of your online games - hell, likely even your single player games, if you are connected still.

PS3 boasted about being so much more powerful than 360, and having this and that and this - yeah, how did that work out for them? A more difficult architecture to develop for, resulting in games that were practically (and sometimes literally) unplayable, along with a lackluster online component.

This is not 1996 - hardware specs only go so far. In 2013, the future is about online connectivity, not just in gaming, but in everyday life.

[Gaming_Guru]

The problem with cloud computing:

- have to be connected
- may not be available in your area or region
- need good enough connect to be worth it

The pros / cons of hosting your own servers:

- have total control
- can be expensive
- a single point of failure for the service

If Microsoft hosts everything, the price of XBOX Live could go up, and they do not believe in used video game sales. The family share plan thing was just a glorified full-game one hour trial than what it appeared to be.

I understand that a company needs to make money in order to survive by over pricing, but they are also really sneaky about what they are actually providing is off putting to me.

[H0RSE]

I thought they rescinded their initial policies on used games.

"Xbox One will also no longer restrict used games, and will instead allow discs to be exchanged in the same way they are on Xbox 360. There will be no additional restrictions for trade-ins or lending games to friends. The system is also no longer be region locked and all downloaded games will function the same way whether your console is connected or not."

^ That is taken from an IGN article.

[ironwolf]

@slazer101

Celebritynetworth.com. Really? How about Yahoo Financial.
Microsoft's Market Cap is $285.69 billion. Check the financials, not Hollywood.

On topic.
I believe from what I've read recently that Sony has invested around 400 to 500 million dollars in their network. Microsoft recently opened an Azure data center in Ireland that cost about twice that amount to build and bring online. They are still adding to it and others. As the article stated, MS has invested well over $10 billion dollars in the Azure system, and are in the process of building multiple new data centers. Can Sony keep up? Please. Sony's Market cap is only $22 billion. That's not Sony entertainment, that's Sony in it's entirety.

I work for Hewlett Packard and I have been dealing with the various cloud systems for several years, I have news for the Sony fanboys who deny that the Azure system is worth anything. When the Xbox One releases, you're all in for a rude surprise.

[no_more_heroes]

I have had as much fun reading through all these comments as I know I'm gonna have when I eventually get both a ps4 and X1.

On to the next thread!

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

A lot of folks on this site don't want to accept this and keep denying it.

Look at that Watch Dogs article for example when a producer said Xbox one's cloud makes its city more diverse, it's like he was speaking in a different language to them.

The article was fake you 12 year old child jesus christ.

[theWB27]

CD Projekt Red and Respawn and Turn 10- they're lying about what it does also?

CD Projekt Red qoute
That going to be the official title?

(laughter) RFH mode? If we don’t tell anybody what it means, who knows? We do like Dark Souls, though, and it did have an influence on us. It kicked my ass, anyway, so we do want this game to have a really hard mode. And even after release, we can always make it harder. That’s the really cool thing about Microsoft’s stuff. There’s this telemetry feature that they’re building where you can store all this data on the cloud. We can see how the players are playing through the game. If we can see if it’s too easy or too hard, we can take measures to balance things on the fly. We don’t know if we’ll do that as a requirement, because it could change the experience so much. But as an optional update? Yeah, it’s something we’re considering. It’s a new age and there is so much new tech, we’re excited to see what we can do with it.

Get over yourself Pope

[arjman]

Xbox fanboys don't like the fact that the majority are backing the PS4 and voicing their opinions on forums, they feel as if these Sony fanboys are taking over and treating the console unfairly. However if we wind the clocks back to 2005 you'll remember that the PS3 was in the exact same position as the Xbone. It too was touting an unfamiliar piece of tech (Cell) and it was constantly being criticised online (especially here) for being hard to program for and having no games.

N4G is a place where history repeats itself and the one constant we have is the sheer number of misinformed fanboys who seem to crowd around a console launch like vultures circling a corpse.

[kcuthbertson]

Two things...

Azure is far from dedicated to the Xbox division. Not all 300000 servers are just for Xbox one games.

Secondly, while certain things can definitely be offloaded to the cloud (ai, weather, matchmaking, etc.) This isn't going to make either console some power house. Even if every single server was dedicated to gaming, that's still not enough power to push graphics past current top end gaming PCs. I'm not saying the cloud is useless... It can definitely offload certain tasks from the console itself, but servers providing that much power to that many consoles aren't even profitable.

[SpinalRemains138]

Some of you hardcore Xbox guys are totally certifiable.

You guys actually think the cloud is going to be able to do real time processing for 30 FPS let alone a 60 FPS game?

LOL Stop. You guys have been lied to and tricked.

Want to know the worst part about the Cloud?
-Needing the Cloud to begin with.

[H0RSE]

Are you implying that MS "needs" the cloud, as in they cannot fully offer features to players without it? If so, I doubt it. Perhaps for ambitious projects, but not as some sort of all the time requirement. The cloud is a technology that can open up more possibilities for devs and potentially eliminate a lot of problems and frustrations they faced in the past. This goes for both Sony and MS, so I don't really see how the cloud or the "need" for it is bad.

Technology evolves, and online connectivity is going to continue to integrate itself into our daily lives. Eventually, streaming games will be a normal practice, with buying physical copies being looked at like how VHS tapes were looked at when DVD's were big.

[S2Killinit]

it just means that Sony will have to pay for dedicated servers, and Microsoft will use its own. Kind of like how Microsoft has to pay royalties for Blu Ray and Sony doesn't.