Microsoft Tries to Downplay PS4’s Spec Advantage, Draws Attention to it

As the week comes to a close, Daily Reaction wouldn’t be complete without discussing a baffling comment made by an exec. Today, Seb and Dan discuss whether the PS4 and Xbox One’s specs are “meaningless” in what will surely be a pointless argument. - PSLS

[Foolsjoker]

Yeah, Specs don't mean anything, so we should just keep playing our 360s, right Microsoft?

[TrendyGamers]

360? I'm still playing my Xbox 1 with Halo 1!

[DragonKnight]

You mean Xbox Classic.

[Kingthrash360]

no you mean xbox first

[InTheLab]

Xbox Uno

[wenaldy]

Xbox Juan

[madara0sama]

Xbox that didn't suck.

[Vip3r]

Xbox -359

[Boody-Bandit]

If you are gaming on an Xbox 1 shouldn't it be Halo 5 you're playing? /s

[Redrum059]

LOLOL
XD

you guys are all making me laugh

+bubbles for everyone with the xbox classic references. but yes xbox classic is cool

[thechosenone]

Already debunked.

So did Microsoft just spin a downclocked esram based on pure bs?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

[zebramocha]

Xbox just wants to have fun.

[dalibor]

Or you could just color code them
Green/Phat Xbox(even though it wasn't green just the logo) = the original
White/Matte Xbox = 360
Black/Glossy Xbox = Xbox 1

Grey PS = the original
Black PS = PS2
Glossy/Phat PS = PS3
Bi color PS = PS4
Yes there is discrepancies between each model but just put together the biggest differences between the first systems released, not the later revisions.

[Urusernamesucks]

Xbox 0

[CalvinKlein]

it was just called XBOX.

[I_am_Batman]

@dalibor: Why would you need a colorcode for PS?

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

LOL

Stop it's too early for this level of hilarity to ensue...

[Ritsujun]

Xbox Origins.

[plaZeHD]

See it makes everything so complicated. Out of everything why would they call it 'Xbox One'? Just retarded.

[pixelsword]

@ plaZeHD:

So they could market it with Dog armor.

Watch:

Xbone...

X-bone.

All the things the modern war-dog needs.

[young7yang]

Xbox Senior

[Ezz2013]

lol at those comments

anyway i post this in other topic
let's destroy MS claim once and for all:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

********"So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.
Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated."*********

keep the DC going MS ...keep it going

[BLAKHOODe]

Grandpa Xbox

[x5exotic]

"X-box it doesn't matter because they all sucked"

[chrismichaels04]

Its amazing...the more Microsoft tries to defend themselves, the more they just come off looking clueless and confused.

[Godmars290]

Maybe because they are clueless and confused.

Maybe they've been believing their own hype all this time no matter what other sources told them.

Honestly, when always online was just a beginning of rumor and reaction to it was obvious, even before Orth, plans should have been changed then. Instead they let the second strike saying worse than nothing pre-E3, then compounded on things post. And now they show no real signs of getting any balance. Are only making more smaller mistakes.

[Automatic79]

@chrismichaels04

"as long as they do it honestly and without bias"

This is coming from a bitter troll who goes on Microsoft articles and post comments like the one below

"Its amazing...the more Microsoft tries to defend themselves, the more they just come off looking clueless and confused."

Gamers beware of fanboys who try to come off as respectful toward the competition when in fact they are trolling articles and can't stand all the good competition has done.

[nosferatuzodd]

Microsoft have a gun point at their feet and how many times they pull the trigger now 10 maybe 20times wow give these guys some crutches cuz i don't think there ever going to walk straight after this generation

[chrismichaels04]

@MichaelLito - my fellow gamers, don't mind MichaelLito. Hes a bitter and biased fanboy that spreads lies and misinformation all over these forums. He's mad at me for catching him in a lie and calling him out on it. Now he's lowered himself to personal attacks. Just look up his last few comments. Many of his biased comments have racked up disagrees in the 40's and 50's and one of his recent comments passed 105 disagrees and was blocked for "trolling" and he lost a bubble as a result. Don't waste your time with this troll, he's not worth it.

[medman]

Right....and horsepower doesn't matter in automobiles either. I'm sure that Nasa's Jet Propulsion Lab can now rest easy because this gentleman has let us all know that performance is irrelevant. No need to push the boundaries at all. These sorts of things don't matter when you're on the short end of the stick. I bet this guy doesn't think penis size is important either, most likely because he's hung like a common shrew. That's what happens when someone else has what you desire, you make excuses. And excuses are tools of the incompetent. There are very few industries or performance metrics where the phrase "more is better" does not apply. Somebody better wake the dopes at Microsoft up, they are getting slaughtered, and every other word from their mouths is gibberish.

[kevnb]

Well it's all theoretical performance given so far, but I guess Microsoft is confirming its beaten in real world performance too... Good job guys.

[PSjesus]

So if Xbone is inferior to PS4 why it's 100$ more expensive .... oh yes you force Kinect in every box so you can spy on us while eating chicken wings

[cyberninja]

I love chicken wings...

[IBleedXbox]

does it matter. people have laptops with build in cameras, who knows if it is recording them or talking pictures. same with phones. most phones come with a front camera and we don't know if it is recording But people still use it. at least with the xbox one you can turn it around facing the wall. if you are concerned about it recording you then buy sound proof foam and wrap it up in it and that fixes your problem

[adorie]

Chicken wings ftw

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

mmmmmmm chicken wings

[nosferatuzodd]

lol And who like to watch porn micro have a fetish, they want to see what gamers are doing..

They get their kicks from that, and to the ppl who say I'm paranoid just remember this Microsoft turn all you're data keys to the nsa remember that what makes you thing they wont do the same with the ONE

[grimmweisse]

Don't be stupid iBleed, with a laptop camera you have direct control over the PCs OS, you can disable the camera completely it's not mandatory. Same with my android based phone, nothing with those hardware features are mandatory, big difference!

If you can't notice your phone or PC camera recording or snapping photos of you then more fool you. The big flashing light is a dead give away that its recording.

[titletownrelo]

Google already knows we all watch porn, M$ just wants video confirmation, XD

[BallsEye]

isn't it funny how suddenly every person on n4g is expert in console architecture, knows exactly the way software works and so on? Maybe all of you should get hired at Sony! I'm sure they would take such experts right away!

[FlunkinMonkey]

And i'm sure MS would take you as their resident 'fluffer' (look it up).

[loulou]

lol i know what a fluffer is without googling..

but the guy does have a point. listening to the cretins on here, you could almost believe that they are all in the business, and have been for years..

or definately fluffing for sony.. lol

[BallsEye]

@FlunkinMonkey

Aw, did I hurt your feelings? Just because I got all the disagrees it proves my point! Thanks N4g you are the best!

[FlunkinMonkey]

Ha yea, i'm crying inside, so deep man.. You're a bit special aren't you? You proved that point man! Well done bro! You are a legend!

Not even a single MS fan agreed with you ignorant buffoon.. Rare to see that many disagrees to agrees wow, way to prove a point man.. Glad you completed your special mission..

Pathetic.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Or maybe people are just reading what developers and industry people are actually saying about the architecture. And one doesn't even need to be an "expert" to form a valid opinion; there's plenty of information on the web regarding computer technology for people to do their own research.

[stage88]

Classic Microsoft.

"Our technology isn't as good as our competitors so we'll say to everyone that its the same".

[greenlantern2814]

Ms says specs don't matter then try to say their specs are better than first thought. They say it is about games which sony has that advantage to. Look at the history of the systems sony keeps the games coming year after year. This year Xbox 360 gears4; ps3 = God of war4, TLOU, beyond,puppeteer, tales of xillia.
But I want to point out when they said it was about the games they also said our games will be just as good as our competitors.
4= greatness
1= ms bs

[CRAIG667]

xbox original

[solar]

it's really funny, console gamers say til they are blue in the face they dont care about specs or graphics.

[RevXM]

SPECS matter to me, and I see myself as a console gamer primarily.

People have different views and opinions. yeah Ive seen "TEH SPECZ NO MATTRZ!", but they do not know any better I guess. Specs do matter.
Ive been playing pc games since I were shittin in pampers and I found out with the years as I started to buy games myself that games like AVP2 doesnt run very well on an OLD pentium 3 based Pc with some crappy Matrox videocard. lol.

[CyberSentinel]

Xbox (1)80

[Mr_Nuts]

They said it's all about games but they made it out like that's what they've been giving us for years...all they've really done has been giving us timed DLC. I mean look at the most recent Sony game, have MS gave us their version of "The Last of Us" this year.....nope. The only thing we've had so far is Gears of War Judgement

I mean I'd understand if Sony were the same but they arn't. MS had the most games at their E3 then they've had for years but lets face it, it was only to try and make us see past their horrible anti consumer polices and high price point. Once they get an install base and those games come out shown at E3 you'll never see an E3 like that again I'll tell you that now.

In a way since Sony does have games, more then MS, Sony has games AND better specs

[SheenuTheLegend]

thats the point. next e3 will be all about kinect

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Exactly.If you liked MS's E3, i hope you REALLY liked it because that was %90 of the games you're going to get from them for the next 3 years.

MS always do this.Blow their load at one time and and just chug along with trailers or games already shown for the next few years.They have no skill at pacing themselves.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

A man thinks they did it more so at this E3 because they were trying to drown out their own bad press. It obviously didn't work so now the biggest story is getting their policies to not be as bad as they were. Now they've shown most of their games but didn't get any positive buzz because they're timed or just were looked over because of the hate after that Sony conference. Sony meanwhile showed SOME stuff but knew they could get the hype train going with policy and price alone. They now have many more of their 20 first year exclusives to show at Gamescom and TGS while MS has little left for those shows leading up to launch.

[crazyboom]

True since I think they have only showed like 5 of the 20 exclusive game coming in the first year to ps4.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

what about "state of decay"? (sarcasm)

[Belking]

of course a playstation site would downplay anything from MS....lol

[NihonjinChick]

Wait, so a PlayStation site tried to downplay Microsoft down playing the PS4's specs?

Wut?

[Furi17]

Well, it doesn't have logic but, but... did you see Titanfall?

[ElitaStorm]

its called downplayception, they need to go deeper

[Parapraxis]

I'd love to see how you'd go about boasting about this information Belking.
Care to give it a whirl?

[HammadTheBeast]

Amuse us Belking.

[Hicken]

Isn't he doing so already?

Seriously, though, what else would you call this? Before, they would have been shouting their technical superiority from the rooftops. But now, for some reason, it doesn't matter?

Now, it supposedly all about the games, but when has Microsoft proven they can best either Sony OR Nintendo in that category?

[SCW1982]

I think Belking understands this is Rocket Science Level Stuff guys.

[grimmweisse]

They didn't downplay anything , the moron that is Albert Penello should of just kept quite if he can't even be honest about a simple question. His comments made a mess, saying spec means nothing. If you can't find fault with that then you might as well never upgrade and just keep chugging along with an Atari2600, because guess what, spec doesn't matter according to Albert!!

[younglj01]

if specs means nothing then why are we getting PS4 and Xbox One later this year? I understand tying too downplay your rival but atleast do it in a better way then these.

[HALOisKING]

im geting x1 for halo 5 not specs

[fenome]

You do know that bungie's not makin it right? They've got a new DESTINY. lol.
Might as well be a new IP, they just know you love the original 5 exclusives and will buy into their BS because of a name on a game. They're just pumping out more breast-milk for you little trolls to eat up. Buying a box for the name of one game.. pathetic..

[SCW1982]

I get a butt rape from Microsoft but not for the specs is what I translated from your statement.

[Popoffboy187718]

To be Packin. MAtters Also don't let kno one lie 2 u lol!!!

[RandomDude655]

Now that a GPU downclock is semi-confirmed by ESRAM bandwidth, specs are even more in Sony's favor.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

"102GB/s was the embedded memory peak bandwith up until today.

800mhz*128byte * 1 (read or write operation) =102.4GB/s

800mhz*128byte * 2 (1 read and 1 write operation) =204.8GB/s

DF stating the new peak memory bandwith beeing 192GB/s while maintainig 800mhz clockspeed just doesn't add up...

I personally stop here and leave it at that - the numbers don't add up.

Some people are taking this a step further though:

750mhz*128byte * 2 (1 read and 1 write operation) =192GB/s

this means that a 50mhz downclock would alling with the peak memory performances given in the article."

[greenpowerz]

You seem worried about XB1 leaked info. You keep spreading that spun damage control in every article LMAO.

XB1 is now(or has been for a while) more capable in this area and judging by the exclusives shown at E3 most will believe it, give it a rest and enjoy PS4. SHeeesh.

I find the directx 11.2 features and its andvanced hardware enambled mega texture-like tech more interesting than Ram and bandwidth(who cares if XB1 has more badwidth) XB1 Hyper Visor's Ram scaling is nice too showing XB1 to be a very advanced and well thought out when everythings works together. Too bad gamers were not ready for some of the cut features though.

[Foliage]

Xbox One doesn't have more bandwidth; where the heck are you getting that information from?

That 202gb/s (figure pre-downclock); is marketing BS attempting to claim the eSRAM can i/o at the same time; when in reality it's not capable of that. Microsoft used BS to claim they are taking advantages of "holes" to do so; but the hardware is plain not set up for that. Even their own internal tests have NEVER surpassed 133 gb/s. That "theoretic" 202gb/s figure is pure marketing spin that they have never come close to touching.

To put things into perspective; the 133 gb/s for the eSRAM in the Xbox One is competing with 176 gb/s in the PS4. The killing blow is that the PS4 can utilize that 176 gb/s across 8GB of GDDR5 RAM (2-2.5x faster than ddr3). The Xbox One can only utilize that 133 gb/s figure for 32mb of RAM. That was not a typo. We're talking about the PS4 having access to 8GB of RAM that functions at 125% the speed of the 32MB of RAM for the Xbox One.

The Xbox One does have 8 GB of DDR3 RAM; but that functions at roughly 35% the speed of the PS4 solution.

This is not even close.

Furthering the point; only 90% of the GPU in the Xbox One is utilized for gaming. That is compared to the GPU of the PS4 which has been proven to be twice as fast as the Xbox One.

Now getting to the overkill factor: Xbox One only has access to 5 GB of RAM for gaming; versus the PS4 having access to between 7-7.5 GB. All thanks to the bloated 3 GB of RAM reserved for the OS in the Xbox One.

This news just went out to confirm that the Xbox One did in fact downclock their hardware; the rumours point to overheating being the cause (suddenly that big ass fan, external power supply, and comically large box starts to make sense; doesn't it?).

The Xbox One will be competing with the WiiU; the PS4 is in a much higher tier at this point.

[I_AM_ CANADIAN_1989]

You are seriously messed in the head man, everything you say is so much worse then stupid a new word for it should be added to the dictionary for it, greenpowerz sounds about right. Geez I can't even respond to you cause it's obvious you're slow in the head. Not enough facepalms in this world for you buddy.........0_o

Just in case there's confusion my comment is directed towards green powers you commented while I was typing lol

[Foliage]

Here is putting it more simply for you:

Xbox One:
5,000MB DDR3 @ 68gb/s
+
32MB eSRAM @ 133gb/s

PS4:
7,000MB GDDR5 @ 176gb/s

(133gb/s for the eSRAM is being generous; it's closer to 102gb/s)

Even if we used your incorrect figures; it still looks like a horrible comparison in the PS4 favour:

Xbox One:
5,000MB DDR3 @ 68gb/s
+
32MB eSRAM @ 202gb/s

PS4:
7,000MB GDDR5 @ 176gb/s

The second the Xbone needs more than 32MB of RAM; it starts to have to rely on the MUCH slower DDR3 RAM.

The PS4 relies on the faster GDDR5 RAM at ALL TIMES. As I noted; the GDDR5 RAM in the PS4 is already faster than the eSRAM in the XBone; it puts the DDR3 RAM to complete and utter shame.

Seriously; sit down and shut up, kids.

[I_AM_ CANADIAN_1989]

I'm confused so theirs people that actually disagree with the fact that I called green powerz stupid. Has he said anything that a smart person would say while I was work or something. I'm as confused as a ms employee right now :s

[DoesUs]

@Green ...Words...Simply...Fail...Me. Never read so much bs in my life. You just haven't got a clue.

[MysticStrummer]

"You keep spreading that spun damage control in every article LMAO."

You're starting to talk to yourself.

You might need to calm down a little.

[XtraTrstrL]

LoL, they talked about mega-texture like ability on PS4 long before this. X1 is playing catch-up if anything. It's already widely known that the X1 APIs are in a much more infantile state than the PS4's APIs.

The 32mb eSRAM of the X1 is there to compensate for the slower ram speed. PS4 could have gone for eDRAM, and Cerney says it could have bolstered the speed to over 1TB/s! The reason they chose against it was that it would go against their new philosophy of super ease of development.

So, X1 will surely be more complex to develop on when it comes to developers constantly deciding what sits in what part of what ram. Add to that the fact that it is still slower than PS4's ram bandwidth anyways, even with the new info that X1's eSRAM can possibly achieve 130+mb/s now, (the 190+ was theoritical).

Even if it was 190+, that's the miniature 32mb, not the full 8GB of ram, so either way, they're still behind in that area of hardware. The added complexity for devs with the inclusion of the 32mb eSRAM is the most important piece of info there though.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Foliage took Greenpowerz to school, sunn.. NICE

[Geezus]

specs do matter but only when it comes to exclusives. multiplats will be pretty much indistinguishable on the ps4 and One just look at the 360 and ps3 where one was more powerful but Multiplats were pretty much similar. Multiplats will pretty much be our only point of comparison. Comparing exclusives is pointless Just like the ps3 had good looking games that complimented it hardware so did the xbox and more recently the wii u. Specs matter for saying x console is more poweful that y console and thats pretty much. Each of the new consoles is using its hardware differently and have their strenghy/ weaknesses. The multiplats will be the same on the one and the ps4 and the exclusive on each consoles will be tailored to each consoles strength and weaknesses. in this sense specs dont matter as each console is using it hardware and software differently. and both the xbox and ps and wii u will have exclusives tailored made to their hardware and software that look very very good.

[fsfsxii]

Multiplats will look the same because Microshit forces devs to not make the game better on any other console, and they're the cancer of gaming.
Oh, games matter now huh? Well, tell me about the last couple of years with the 360 and how GAMES are important now, holy god, you people are blind beyond believe

[Felonycarclub8]

Specs don't mean anything to Microsoft games do? LMFAO they only make gears halo & forza ha ha ja ha ha ha

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Microsoft does not make Gears.

[Felonycarclub8]

I know but they do own the gears franchise right?

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Pretty certain Epic owns their own IP.

[Felonycarclub8]

So there is a chance it could come to playstation but I doubt it Microsoft will just throw a bunch of money to epic

[punisher99]

This is just another desparate attempt from microsoft, trying to get rid of all the negative hype they themselves created for the xbox1. Unfortunately, the xbox is destined for last place as usual. There is really nothing they can say or do that can stop the playstation brand.

[GribbleGrunger]

I haven't been this entertained in years. Thank you MS.

[Qrphe]

#therideneverends

It is and has been very fun, I won't lie

[Williamson]

Hilarious how often the term "Sony fanboys" shows up in every comment section. I'm a fan of games and Sony has given me lots of games for years, good for Microsoft for showing games at e3 but they need to keep it up for the whole gen.

[SilentNegotiator]

Sony has better fan service, Sony gets more fan attention. Some Xbox fans feel cornered and become bitter, start playing victim, and overcompensate by attacking Sony fans.

[PositiveEmotions]

Im sorry to say but ms hired some dumb ass people of course specs matter other wise the graphics would have never improve!!!.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

MS you mad? You mad that you can't get on Sony level. You mad that PS4 is 10x powerful and everyone likes it more than your cable box. You mad that PS4 exclusives will be 10x better. Yeah you mad. Please get out the gaming business because you're no longer needed.

[d_dogg2007]

Well said man! Hit the nail on the head! MS is cancer and this generation gonna be their last!

[Treian]

If specs don't matter, then we don't need next gen consoles MS? lol. Fail so hard MS....

[drsfinest72]

Playstationlifestyle.net you say eh? Mods and contributors are the worst in this site. Approving biased articles like this is pointless. I'll just quietly die of laughter inside.

[Foolsjoker]

Awesome, now do it quietly and we could all be happy.

[johny5]

you know what's funny about this xbox one vs ps4 advantage bullshit is they forget it's not how detailed a texture is it's also about how many objects a scene can display at once and said objects not disappearing every 5 seconds!

That's going to be the advantage for exclusives on the PS4 "with it's DDR5 ram" and for games with destructible environments like battlefield 4! They can downplay it all they want but it's going to show especially with all these games being open environment with lots of particles this gen!

[Bowzabub]

Yep, just like they were saying at E3, destruction & particle effects are the new physics.

[Morgue]

In the end these #'s are meaningless to me because its a lot of technical stuff that I don't understand but reading about them is pretty interesting. What does amaze me is how MS is going about this it's very, childish, unproffesional and the more they talk the more I don't care about them or their system.

" Either put up or shut up "

[southernbanana]

I question if the people going on about Bungie leaving Halo have played 343's Halo. They improved a lot and I think the franchise is better off.

[Rachel_Alucard]

"Let's kill Cortana in the 1st installment of a new trilogy, make the final boss a QTE fest, and let's throw in sprint and instant respawns into multi to appease the ADD CoD audience!"

[mxrider2199]

do you honestly believe that or was that sarcasm not seen by anyone else

[HugoDrax]

Well I agree, I have been a HALO fan since the original Xbox. Prior to the creation of Xbox live/online gaming which we can thank MS for pushing the console industry in this direction. I played HALO 4 multiplayer for the first time last night, and boy was I impressed by the improvement over the franchise that 343 managed to do.

I also believe you received so many disagrees because of SONY fanboys/brand loyalty which is silly if you're a gamer. How many SONY fanboys actuallyplayed HALO? Instead of enjoying a great franchise, they would chose to bash it. Yet, now that Bungie decided to make a multiplatform title (DESTINY) they're considered one of the greatest developers in the industry lol. I'm almost certain if Destiny was XB1 exclusive Sony fanboys would criticize it as well. Instead it's being praised as the most anticipated game for PS4 lol.

While they chose sides and brand loyalty, I'll be enjoying DR3/Forza on my XB1 and Killzone/Second Son on my PS4 on launch day.

[Gamerchik87]

So did he pretty much say sony showed off their hardware to early?? This isnt the 1st time I read somewhere that sony originally plan to give developers only 4gb of ram and trough a source they found out about xbox having good specs and than they started rethinking thier strategy. I think M.S is waiting for the perfect time to announce their hardware

[mxrider2199]

they originally had 4 gigs of ram they went to their studios and asked them what they thought some guy said if you only have 4 gigs your dead in the water so they took that to japan and came back and asked about 8 gigs and the studios said that would be amazing

[itspeaks]

Only time will tell how well the developers and programmers will be able to use the console assets, including hardware and software as well as internet enabled features. These articles about speculation are fun and entertaining, but the true substance will come in 2-4 years when we see games taking full advantage of the consoles.

[AllyBhoy82]

Just a thought will they xboxnone be able to spy on you once RROD happens

[SaveFerris]

What I would like to see is Microsoft have someone come out and do a presentation much like Mark Cerny did at Gamelab and to explain their design for the console architecture etc in the Xbox One.

[Supermax]

X1 day one like the multiplayer on live and the first party ips interest me more right off the bat getting ps4 a year later.have a nice day bang bang

[zoks310]

Just looking at how hard it is for them to get comfortable on stage at E3 over the years was enough for me to realize that they have never really connected with gamers the way Nintendo and Sony did.
Microsoft just wants your money, they don't give a crap about gaming. Just go back and watch them at any e3 and see how scripted they are.

[_LarZen_]

If there was an award for saying and doing all the wrong things, Microsoft should have received a couple...if not more.

[Belking]

That's because sony has all those awards already. No more to give.

[DigitalRaptor]

There has been nothing on this scale of f**king up a console before it's even released, EVER in the history of gaming. You'd think that the attention the pathetic DRM situation got would be the end of it, but nope. MS keeps on chugging with the stupid. And as much as I think they should stop, I don't think they will. They HAVE to keep trying to downplay the PS4's obvious and unavoidable advantages.

That's okay, more entertainment for the rest of us.

[N4realGMRZ]

Strange, how does the saying go? "Proofs in the pudding" MS games destroyed Sony's showing that is a fact! They also did this on supposedly "Inferior" hardware! lol so it seems like MS is once again flexing its superior Tool and Development know how. So right now First gen Xb1 Games look far superior to PS4 first gen....all this with MS's inferior hardware.....LMAO!

[fsfsxii]

First gen running on a PC with superior hardware than the announced specs for the XB1. Yeah, anything that let you sleep in the night.

[SCW1982]

So I am guessing you turned a blind eye to how damn good infamous second sun looks.

[greenlantern2814]

You realize none of those games where running on Xbox1 right. And ps3 games> 360 games same will hold true in the ps4 Xbox1 gen.

[thexmanone]

how old do you have to be to post here?

[gdguide]

I just don't get the downgraded specs considering the price of $500 for the X1.... How much is Kinect 2 costing MS per unit? It can't seriously be more than $100, can it? I could kind of see MS charging $100 more with identical specs of the PS4 and including Kinect 2, but the specs are a pretty decent drop from the PS4.

So Kinect 2 better blow away any camera before it and totally change the way we play for the better. For the money, X1 users are putting a large part of that $500 towards just the camera. Because if the PS4 is $400, the X1 without the camera specs wise should be sold for less than $350.

[Groo]

MS is trying to addopt the Democratic Government way of running their company, The facts and proof don't mean a thing, just talk trash about your opposition regardless of the the truth, just run your mouth and people will believe you... its a damn shame. Just the fact that MS resorts to this kind of immaturity is the sole reason I will never again support them, it is what it is.. arrogant azzholes. If MS would have just kept their mouth shut and let the product speak for itself, people wouldn't be so pissed. The fact that MS resorts to this me me me attention tactic and tries to manipulate people into buying an Xb1 by downplaying the truth and talking trash should tell you something about what kind of people you are giving buisness to..

[SpinalRemains138]

They have to do something though to raise more interest in their product.

Its getting crushed unbelievably in preorders and it is alarming MS execs. They really did rely on customers being mindless sheep and they had all the current base as money in the bank. It was the wrong assumption and their brand will once again finish last.

The funny thing is, it still will not affect their approach toward consoles. They will continue always charging more while offering less. Its what they do.

A transistor here, a power of the cloud there, a Titanfall running on a PC over there and they feel they have done their job. Quite sad really, because if they truly wanted to build a beast and develop a super console, they could. They do it backwards though, by investing all their finances toward marketing an inferior product, rather than building the superior product to begin with and letting its workings speak for itself in the long run like you said.

[Groo]

Made in America use to mean something.. Too much talk and not enough action these days. Spending boat loads of money on marketing to put out a sub par product. Who knows, I hope MS proves us all wrong but I don't believe MS has the heart to, they would much rather just BS people, its cheaper

[joefrost00]

Now its apparently clear no matter what MS do people will find a way to complain
I really think his comments where taking out of context
I just saw him saying why argue about specs the proof is in the games
If we have technically just as good or better games who cares what the specs are
He made a good point about fanboys and journalist that know nothing about programming taking about it last gen
Remember last gen the ps3 was supposed to be more powerful and in the end not at all
You can say exclusives but give 2 exclusives that was technically better than halo4, bioshock infinite crysis 3
Technical just doesn't mean graphics by itself I hope you.all do know that

[Groo]

@joefrost00

Point is he's made things worse by comming out and saying that, he should sit down, hes and exec, product planning head. Not product lead designer or lead architech etc.. he keeps saying "our guys" not himself, he could be making all this up, maybe he doesn't even know what hes talking about.. who knows lol. Its all hot air. We all shall see if the proof is in the pudding instead of exec's runnning their mouth. I dont hear any Sony execs saying the problem is that MS did this or did that and so on...
MS has restrictions in place not to sell any multiplatorm titles if a version of the title has and advantage over their version, basicly hold everything down if their version isn't equal to anyone elses. I wish I could find the articles for u.

[joefrost00]

I love how everything MS say it's PR got air but everything Sony says it's absolute truth

[cunnilumpkin]

ohhhh...... just like how ps4 tries to downplay pc's huge spec advantage...I get it

a $150 gpu SMOKES the ps4, but they say things like its more powerful than the average pc...lol...sure, if you include my grandmas and every grandmas, and soccer moms, and beige colored pcs in crummy offices still rocking xp

but ANY modern gaming rig from the last 3 years utterly decimates the ps4 and xbox1

[SpinalRemains138]

For 400 bucks with dualshock and Sony exclusives? No way.

A console is about the total package for the best value, and right now ps4 is blowing everything else away.

We all know modern PC rigs are superior in every visual facet. You have to pony up though. PS4 gives gamers substantial gaming with amazing studios for a terrific price. What's the problem?

I can't remote play PC on my Vita. I can't play any sony exclusive on a PC. Ppl buy their console of choice for value and exclusives.

This is why after a decade, Steam only has 60 million gamers and after only 7 years, PS3 has over 80 million and 360 about the same. That's almost 3x the base.

Face it. Console gaming is way more popular for a reason.

[cunnilumpkin]

"Face it. Console gaming is way more popular for a reason"

so are tiny crummy apartments and shitty slum houses, way, WAY more popular

I'd rather live in a nice big house

Justin bieber is more popular than Tool or Breaking Benjamin

just cause somethings more popular doesn't mean its better

in fact, usually, the things liked the most by the masses are of the least quality

case and point

Wii, it destroyed ps3 and 360 and pc in sales

pc was and is far superior, ps4 will be second, xbox 1 third, wii u fourth

watch the wii u outsell everything because people are cheap and stupid

[SpinalRemains138]

Wii was a great value.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

[_FantasmA_]

Why do even bother talking about PC? Yes we get it, we know they are the ultimate as far customization, features, controls, graphics, and price. But PCs are in their own realm, and consoles are in another.

With PS4 I can just put the disc in and play. No tweaking, no wondering if my PC can handle a certain game, no installation, no need to upgrade my PC every few years, etc. Besides there so many PS exclusives that you will never get on your superior gaming PC.

[annus]

"no installation"

Somebody never played DMC4 or MGS4.

[_FantasmA_]

I have MGS4, I'm not talking about required partial installs. I'm talkling about every game itself, not the texture, language, etc mandatory installs

[Ulf]

I find it ironic how people are ooh'ing and aah'ing the GPU power of the next gen, while ignoring the CPU altogether.

From Tom's Hardware, with regards to latency and bandwidth effect on game performance:
http://www.tomshardware.com...

Keep in mind that GDDR5 has much worse latency than DDR3, despite its bandwidth advantage. If the ESRAM makes up for the bandwidth difference... and it may, if what we learned from the 30% performance gulf between the Xenos and RSX remains true... The lower latency RAM may actually be a much more significant factor than most people realize.

[TemplarDante]

PS4 > Xbone.
If you dont like that. #DealWithIt!!!!!
@Ulf, shut your mouth! You dont understand your latency argument!

[SpinalRemains138]

He claims to know more than the men who designed it.

Ps4 devs scrutinized the architecture for more than a year to ensure they had the best balance with little to no bottlenecks. More than a year! How many ppl scrutinize anything for that long in their lifetime?

Too bad neither he or FrigidDarkness were on the team. PS4 could have been even better and had an external power supply.

[Ulf]

...I provided a link to tested results from a verified worthwhile site.

And yeah, I probably do actually know about as much as the PS4 designers do about system design. Also, I don't have some marketing guys breathing down my neck, trying to make the PS4 look better than the XB1 on paper. The same guys who took free online from PSN, and took out the camera from the PS4 basic bundle.

You know that selling the system is more important to them than the specs, right? Same is true for MS, and Nintendo. Making is system is more about money, and less about specs, than I think you realize.

[SwiftArsonist]

all the hottest news are against Xbox One. I mean im no fanboy, i got both on preorder, but why this page allows this? we can have actual news about both consoles without creating a fcking war. both consoles are good. a true gamer will see this, a true gamer, like me, will have both

[OSIRUSSS]

It seems like MS is praying on a stack of bibles that "true Gamers" do as you just described! Which is buy both consoles for the hell of it! Don't pay attention to the fact one is clearly better!

[Allowen]

As far as I remember Sony never tried to downplay the competition.
Even when PS3 has better hardware performance and better looking exclusives then what we find on the Wii or Xbox360.

The only "joke" they ever did was about the 24hours check when the Xbox1 had DRM.

I guess Microsoft always tries to say some thing bad about the competition so they can feel good with then selves.

I just remember that movie " Talladega Nights" where the dude there kept saying :
"If you are not first, you last !"

[GraveLord]

Microsoft is right though. Specs don't matter. That's why we should stick to our 360s, it has the most games anyway.

[_FantasmA_]

Or if you want to actually play good games, get a PS3. Why would you ever do business with a company like M$? I don't care what games and features they have, their policies and restrictions will always overshadow their games and they will always prevent me from buying M$ gaming products.

And you can bet your ass that I'd drop Sony if they ever did the same thing. Fortunately Sony lives here in the mortal real with us, and their heads aren't up their assess so it looks like I'm still part of the PlayStation family for another 10 years.

[CoryHG]

So they are going down the road of Nintendo now?

[Groo]

@joefrost00

Nothing is absolute truth now a days bro, I'm sure Sony has a few shady things under the table themselves but they dont treat existing and potiental customers like children they way MS tries to, matter of fact MS's attitude about the whole situation, acting like 16 year old spoiled girls that get all bitchy when they dont get their way, is the main reason I personally won't purchase one. I actually planned on owning both regardless of all the policy crap but MS's attitude is just too much.. I'll let one off my friends that happens to be a die hard 360 fan jump onto that boat and see how XB1 turns out.. I need to get back to work.. damn

[S2Killinit]

I'm getting tired of Microsofts antics, seriously. I feel they are the scum of the earth. Everything that comes out of their mouth is either a lie or a misrepresentation, or just plain out evil.

[_FantasmA_]

Xbox Trouser Swimmer?

[SpinalRemains138]

This is along the lines of an old crippled zebra telling the lioness, "my bad hip and subsequent inability to run won't help you eat me."

[nismo15]

If graphics and superior hardware isn't a issue like M$ states it's all bout the games.. why bother releasing a new console may aswell stick with a ps2 or snes in that case. Irony..

[nismo15]

Xbone will do anything to downplay the competition in it's current state its a sinking ship full of lies and backward promises, desperation is a stinky cologne.

[BIGBOSS08]

microsoft are completely right! i'll just continue playing on my N64 and PS1 in 2013! specs dont mean a thing to games!

[smokeyjoekenobi]

Once both consoles are in the wild, all the tech specs (real or otherwise) and all the PR bullshit will fall by the wayside and all that'll be left are the games. Also anyone expecting even an appreciable difference in graphics between the systems will be sorely disappointed, its going to be marginal at best, of course I'm not allowing for those of you who wear rose-tinted spectacles, you guys I'm sure will see huge, nay gargantuan differences.

[Ben12]

the first xbox was called xbox not xbox one or 1 get it straight stop the bashing.