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Microsoft Tries to Downplay PS4’s Spec Advantage, Draws Attention to it

As the week comes to a close, Daily Reaction wouldn’t be complete without discussing a baffling comment made by an exec. Today, Seb and Dan discuss whether the PS4 and Xbox One’s specs are “meaningless” in what will surely be a pointless argument. - PSLS

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Foolsjoker3951d ago

Yeah, Specs don't mean anything, so we should just keep playing our 360s, right Microsoft?

TrendyGamers3951d ago

360? I'm still playing my Xbox 1 with Halo 1!

fenome3951d ago Show
Boody-Bandit3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

If you are gaming on an Xbox 1 shouldn't it be Halo 5 you're playing? /s

Redrum0593951d ago

LOLOL
XD

you guys are all making me laugh

+bubbles for everyone with the xbox classic references. but yes xbox classic is cool

thechosenone3951d ago

Already debunked.

So did Microsoft just spin a downclocked esram based on pure bs?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

zebramocha3951d ago

Xbox just wants to have fun.

dalibor3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Or you could just color code them
Green/Phat Xbox(even though it wasn't green just the logo) = the original
White/Matte Xbox = 360
Black/Glossy Xbox = Xbox 1

Grey PS = the original
Black PS = PS2
Glossy/Phat PS = PS3
Bi color PS = PS4
Yes there is discrepancies between each model but just put together the biggest differences between the first systems released, not the later revisions.

I_am_Batman3951d ago

@dalibor: Why would you need a colorcode for PS?

Sharingan_no_Kakashi3951d ago

LOL

Stop it's too early for this level of hilarity to ensue...

plaZeHD3950d ago

See it makes everything so complicated. Out of everything why would they call it 'Xbox One'? Just retarded.

pixelsword3950d ago (Edited 3950d ago )

@ plaZeHD:

So they could market it with Dog armor.

Watch:

Xbone...

X-bone.

All the things the modern war-dog needs.

Ezz20133950d ago

lol at those comments

anyway i post this in other topic
let's destroy MS claim once and for all:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

********"So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.
Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated."*********

keep the DC going MS ...keep it going

x5exotic3950d ago

"X-box it doesn't matter because they all sucked"

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chrismichaels043951d ago

Its amazing...the more Microsoft tries to defend themselves, the more they just come off looking clueless and confused.

Godmars2903951d ago

Maybe because they are clueless and confused.

Maybe they've been believing their own hype all this time no matter what other sources told them.

Honestly, when always online was just a beginning of rumor and reaction to it was obvious, even before Orth, plans should have been changed then. Instead they let the second strike saying worse than nothing pre-E3, then compounded on things post. And now they show no real signs of getting any balance. Are only making more smaller mistakes.

Automatic793951d ago

@chrismichaels04

"as long as they do it honestly and without bias"

This is coming from a bitter troll who goes on Microsoft articles and post comments like the one below

"Its amazing...the more Microsoft tries to defend themselves, the more they just come off looking clueless and confused."

Gamers beware of fanboys who try to come off as respectful toward the competition when in fact they are trolling articles and can't stand all the good competition has done.

nosferatuzodd3950d ago (Edited 3950d ago )

Microsoft have a gun point at their feet and how many times they pull the trigger now 10 maybe 20times wow give these guys some crutches cuz i don't think there ever going to walk straight after this generation

chrismichaels043950d ago

@MichaelLito - my fellow gamers, don't mind MichaelLito. Hes a bitter and biased fanboy that spreads lies and misinformation all over these forums. He's mad at me for catching him in a lie and calling him out on it. Now he's lowered himself to personal attacks. Just look up his last few comments. Many of his biased comments have racked up disagrees in the 40's and 50's and one of his recent comments passed 105 disagrees and was blocked for "trolling" and he lost a bubble as a result. Don't waste your time with this troll, he's not worth it.

medman3950d ago (Edited 3950d ago )

Right....and horsepower doesn't matter in automobiles either. I'm sure that Nasa's Jet Propulsion Lab can now rest easy because this gentleman has let us all know that performance is irrelevant. No need to push the boundaries at all. These sorts of things don't matter when you're on the short end of the stick. I bet this guy doesn't think penis size is important either, most likely because he's hung like a common shrew. That's what happens when someone else has what you desire, you make excuses. And excuses are tools of the incompetent. There are very few industries or performance metrics where the phrase "more is better" does not apply. Somebody better wake the dopes at Microsoft up, they are getting slaughtered, and every other word from their mouths is gibberish.

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kevnb3951d ago

Well it's all theoretical performance given so far, but I guess Microsoft is confirming its beaten in real world performance too... Good job guys.

PSjesus3951d ago

So if Xbone is inferior to PS4 why it's 100$ more expensive .... oh yes you force Kinect in every box so you can spy on us while eating chicken wings

IBleedXbox3951d ago

does it matter. people have laptops with build in cameras, who knows if it is recording them or talking pictures. same with phones. most phones come with a front camera and we don't know if it is recording But people still use it. at least with the xbox one you can turn it around facing the wall. if you are concerned about it recording you then buy sound proof foam and wrap it up in it and that fixes your problem

nosferatuzodd3950d ago

lol And who like to watch porn micro have a fetish, they want to see what gamers are doing..

They get their kicks from that, and to the ppl who say I'm paranoid just remember this Microsoft turn all you're data keys to the nsa remember that what makes you thing they wont do the same with the ONE

grimmweisse3950d ago

Don't be stupid iBleed, with a laptop camera you have direct control over the PCs OS, you can disable the camera completely it's not mandatory. Same with my android based phone, nothing with those hardware features are mandatory, big difference!

If you can't notice your phone or PC camera recording or snapping photos of you then more fool you. The big flashing light is a dead give away that its recording.

titletownrelo3950d ago

Google already knows we all watch porn, M$ just wants video confirmation, XD

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BallsEye3951d ago

isn't it funny how suddenly every person on n4g is expert in console architecture, knows exactly the way software works and so on? Maybe all of you should get hired at Sony! I'm sure they would take such experts right away!

FlunkinMonkey3950d ago

And i'm sure MS would take you as their resident 'fluffer' (look it up).

loulou3950d ago

lol i know what a fluffer is without googling..

but the guy does have a point. listening to the cretins on here, you could almost believe that they are all in the business, and have been for years..

or definately fluffing for sony.. lol

BallsEye3950d ago

@FlunkinMonkey

Aw, did I hurt your feelings? Just because I got all the disagrees it proves my point! Thanks N4g you are the best!

FlunkinMonkey3950d ago

Ha yea, i'm crying inside, so deep man.. You're a bit special aren't you? You proved that point man! Well done bro! You are a legend!

Not even a single MS fan agreed with you ignorant buffoon.. Rare to see that many disagrees to agrees wow, way to prove a point man.. Glad you completed your special mission..

Pathetic.

ShwankyShpanky3950d ago

Or maybe people are just reading what developers and industry people are actually saying about the architecture. And one doesn't even need to be an "expert" to form a valid opinion; there's plenty of information on the web regarding computer technology for people to do their own research.

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stage883951d ago

Classic Microsoft.

"Our technology isn't as good as our competitors so we'll say to everyone that its the same".

greenlantern28143950d ago (Edited 3950d ago )

Ms says specs don't matter then try to say their specs are better than first thought. They say it is about games which sony has that advantage to. Look at the history of the systems sony keeps the games coming year after year. This year Xbox 360 gears4; ps3 = God of war4, TLOU, beyond,puppeteer, tales of xillia.
But I want to point out when they said it was about the games they also said our games will be just as good as our competitors.
4= greatness
1= ms bs

solar3950d ago

it's really funny, console gamers say til they are blue in the face they dont care about specs or graphics.

RevXM3950d ago (Edited 3950d ago )

SPECS matter to me, and I see myself as a console gamer primarily.

People have different views and opinions. yeah Ive seen "TEH SPECZ NO MATTRZ!", but they do not know any better I guess. Specs do matter.
Ive been playing pc games since I were shittin in pampers and I found out with the years as I started to buy games myself that games like AVP2 doesnt run very well on an OLD pentium 3 based Pc with some crappy Matrox videocard. lol.

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Mr_Nuts3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

They said it's all about games but they made it out like that's what they've been giving us for years...all they've really done has been giving us timed DLC. I mean look at the most recent Sony game, have MS gave us their version of "The Last of Us" this year.....nope. The only thing we've had so far is Gears of War Judgement

I mean I'd understand if Sony were the same but they arn't. MS had the most games at their E3 then they've had for years but lets face it, it was only to try and make us see past their horrible anti consumer polices and high price point. Once they get an install base and those games come out shown at E3 you'll never see an E3 like that again I'll tell you that now.

In a way since Sony does have games, more then MS, Sony has games AND better specs

SheenuTheLegend3951d ago

thats the point. next e3 will be all about kinect

ThatCanadianGuy5143951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Exactly.If you liked MS's E3, i hope you REALLY liked it because that was %90 of the games you're going to get from them for the next 3 years.

MS always do this.Blow their load at one time and and just chug along with trailers or games already shown for the next few years.They have no skill at pacing themselves.

Jaqen_Hghar3951d ago

A man thinks they did it more so at this E3 because they were trying to drown out their own bad press. It obviously didn't work so now the biggest story is getting their policies to not be as bad as they were. Now they've shown most of their games but didn't get any positive buzz because they're timed or just were looked over because of the hate after that Sony conference. Sony meanwhile showed SOME stuff but knew they could get the hype train going with policy and price alone. They now have many more of their 20 first year exclusives to show at Gamescom and TGS while MS has little left for those shows leading up to launch.

crazyboom3950d ago

True since I think they have only showed like 5 of the 20 exclusive game coming in the first year to ps4.

DaGR8JIBRALTAR3949d ago

what about "state of decay"? (sarcasm)

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Belking3951d ago

of course a playstation site would downplay anything from MS....lol

NihonjinChick3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Wait, so a PlayStation site tried to downplay Microsoft down playing the PS4's specs?

Wut?

Furi173950d ago

Well, it doesn't have logic but, but... did you see Titanfall?

ElitaStorm3950d ago

its called downplayception, they need to go deeper

Parapraxis3951d ago

I'd love to see how you'd go about boasting about this information Belking.
Care to give it a whirl?

Hicken3951d ago

Isn't he doing so already?

Seriously, though, what else would you call this? Before, they would have been shouting their technical superiority from the rooftops. But now, for some reason, it doesn't matter?

Now, it supposedly all about the games, but when has Microsoft proven they can best either Sony OR Nintendo in that category?

SCW19823950d ago

I think Belking understands this is Rocket Science Level Stuff guys.

grimmweisse3950d ago

They didn't downplay anything , the moron that is Albert Penello should of just kept quite if he can't even be honest about a simple question. His comments made a mess, saying spec means nothing. If you can't find fault with that then you might as well never upgrade and just keep chugging along with an Atari2600, because guess what, spec doesn't matter according to Albert!!

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younglj013951d ago

if specs means nothing then why are we getting PS4 and Xbox One later this year? I understand tying too downplay your rival but atleast do it in a better way then these.

HALOisKING3951d ago

im geting x1 for halo 5 not specs

fenome3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

You do know that bungie's not makin it right? They've got a new DESTINY. lol.
Might as well be a new IP, they just know you love the original 5 exclusives and will buy into their BS because of a name on a game. They're just pumping out more breast-milk for you little trolls to eat up. Buying a box for the name of one game.. pathetic..

SCW19823950d ago

I get a butt rape from Microsoft but not for the specs is what I translated from your statement.

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How to recruit Lam in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

Lam is among the 120 characters available for recruitment in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes. While she is one of the many straightforward recruits, a known bug may prevent players from recruiting her if certain conditions are met. Despite developers’ assurances of fixing the bug, some early access players still encounter issues with recruiting Lam despite attempting the standard method.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow18h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos5h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos3h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje3h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon4h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum6h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum2h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola1h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum1h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

jambola59m ago

I agree
Your comment was pretty stupid

Rebel_Scum24m ago

I never said censorship is based on what I say dumbass. Just because I dont see this as censorship doesnt mean I’m saying others cant.

How about you come at me with your opinion rather than snarky comments with no thought on the matter.

SimpleDad3h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola1h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

Barlos1h ago

They'll probably make her trans

CobraKai2h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK2h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh2h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

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Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster Review – You Are Your Job, Apparently

Gary Green said: In a time where an enhanced, 3D remake of Final Fantasy III already exists, it’s hard to argue that Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster is the definitive version we were expecting. With Final Fantasy III already being the last in the series to be translated and make its way west, this is something of a slap in the face for the fans. Still, let’s not be disheartened. There may be many shortfalls in this edition of Final Fantasy III, however there’s no denying that this classic JRPG still holds some nostalgic value, even if it struggles to break away from its original hardware limitations.

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FACTUAL evidence7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

It’s funny I’m seeing these articles about pixel remaster, and I just platinumed 1-4 within 8 days lol. I’ve been on FF5 for about a week now. Let’s just say 5 was the start of FF having content like crazy. I should have the plat within 2-3 days.