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Damsel in Distress

Is the damsel in distress trope hurting the gaming industry or is it just a lot of hot air by feminists?

Donnieboi3954d ago

Oh my god not this crap again

Mounce3954d ago

I want a sensitive femmeboy screaming for me to save him.

Cause I mean, no ones allowed to show a Non-powerful woman. Every woman on the world must be equal, and by equal that means untouchably the strongest and in no way weak, cause dat'd be stereotypin'.

catch3954d ago

The very fact that you used the term "femmeboy" shows exactly how much of a problem this is. Femme obviously to you meaning inherently weak. Should every female character be strong and self reliant? No definitely not, but clearly there is a problem with many peoples perspective of women and it certainly isn't exclusive to games.

I think society in general is slowly getting better at writing female characters but there is a long way to go.

Mounce3953d ago

@Catch - I guess you don't even understand what Femme means since you had honestly taken it derogatively...

Femme, or Femme Boy, usually just means the person acts 'Girly' or FEMININE. Which you know, is a Word, it is a trait, it isn't Slang and it isn't an insult. If I had to think of anything I'd think people like you are also what's wrong with misinterpretations and misinformation being spread with irrational anger.

Femmeboy would as a result just usually be a gay or bi male who acts feminine instead of machismo or 'regular'. Though since your first response is to take me saying that as an Insult, I'd think you need a rain-check since I don't have a problem with anyones traits or choices of life. I only have a problem with people who twist my words or are stupid :/

catch3953d ago

I know exactly what it means. It was your use of it to imply that feminine meant weak was my point entirely. I didn't twist your words you twisted the use of feminine through the very stereotype that is being discussed.

Mounce3953d ago

The only one who's twisting words is you, Catch. I know what I meant and I know in my mind that I have no problem with 'femme' anything. However, you seem to wish to argue for the sake of arguing, what else is new with you? I guess.

It's funny that you'd say I'm twisting words though when all I did was use sarcasm and dry humor. Apparently I can't even openly say that I'd go save a 'sensitive' femmeboy. Because 'sensitive' means 'WEAK' ? When you think femininity, does the definition of physically strong come to your mind? Honestly.

I really don't think speaking to you is going to go anywhere, you sound like the kind of person who'd find anything to argue about just to get attention. I stand by what I said because I made an acceptable joke while you're parading around here arguing, and childishly disagreeing with all my comments, rofl.

Go find yourself a Strong, manly-voiced feminine boy, Good luck on that and remember what you said, Feminines can't be weak in your mind, or else that's slander! Oh woe is me.

catch3953d ago

You still clearly don't get the point of what I'm saying so you're right it isn't going to get anywhere because you have been making the same assumptions and stereotypes in each comment. I was participating in a discussion using what you said as an example (and the context of the example from you is clear), you made assumptions on my character and motivations and completely missed the point.

Mounce3953d ago

If all you can really say, groundlessly, is tell someone they 'Missed the point' as a means of avoiding the subject on how You were wrong. Then I'm sure there's no use speaking to you further since of how far you have your head up your own ass. More people disagreeing with your first response tells it as it is from the start. Whilst you on your own primarily are the one 'Disagreeing' and causing a fuss childishly.

My comment remains valid and in good taste, your posts do nothing but ensue pointless drama like a pig rolling in the mud, you can go find someone else to roll in your own filth with you.

catch3953d ago

Asserting your comments are right and valid and saying I'm wrong (groundlessly) doesn't make you right. And the notion that someone disagreeing with you is childish is, in itself, childish. There is nothing tasteful about stereotyping women as weak. The number of disagrees I received in my original comment actually serves my argument well as I said it is a society issue and as long as there are people like you perpetuating the stereotypes it remains a problem. You have projected some kind of personality on me as being whiny and looking for attention simply because I have a different opinion on the topic than you. I am just trying to have a conversation about a topic I care about and trying to point out that being female doesn't mean being weak any more than being white doesn't make you timid or being a man makes you a sexual predator. Stereotypes are harmful and a disservice to good writing. Like I said not all female characters need to be strong but when the default is the stereotype it is lazy.

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iamtehpwn3954d ago

Beyond Damsel in Distress just being a feminist issue, it really is simply over used to an annoying point in video games really.

dedicatedtogamers3954d ago (Edited 3954d ago )

In books (for 1000s of years), music (for 100s of years), and movies (for dozens of years) we have the recurring theme of someone saving someone else. Believe it or not, men aren't the only ones with the damsel in distress fantasy. There are a significant number of women who also enjoy the damsel in distress trope (go grab a dozen random chick flicks off the rental shelf and you'll find this theme in 75% or more of them). Statistically, several of the top bedroom fantasies for a woman are being saved (like a fireman), being dominated, being treated roughly, and being coerced/forced. Them's just the stats.

There are people who want to improve people's lives and bring positive change to the world. There are other people who have self-esteem issues and who want to shape other people's viewpoints to fit their own.

People who attack fictional videogame women fall into the latter camp.

Xof3954d ago

Is it hurting the industry? Yes, to a degree, by alienating a huge segment of the demographic. Gamers aren't just prepubsecent white males any more. It's absurd that most game protagonists are still men, let alone white men, and even worse that so much of what laughably passes for character development for these white men is amateurishly created through the use of archaic chauvinistic narrative tropes.

It's not quite as "huge" a deal as some people make it out to be--I think the lack of female player-characters is a far more important issue--but it is a much, much bigger deal that the morons who insist it's all "feminist whining" believe with all the might of their pea-sized brains.

CrossingEden3954d ago

characters like nathan drake are considered to be the best of the best in terms of character and character development while characters like connor from AC3 are considered to be bad even though he breaks the norm

rextraordinaire3954d ago

But there are plenty of strong female leads in gaming.

Referring to this article image, Lightning is one. Kat from gravity rush is a nice lead too, and so are every characters from the Persona series. (They even tackle the damsel in distress trope in Persona 4, with Chie and Yukiko, and objectification with the character of Rise.) Also, Aveline from AC3:Liberation is very good lead character, and let's not forget about Shion from Xenosaga. And Katrin in Shadow Hearts : Covenant. The three sisters from Valkyrie Profile, the Valkyrie in Odin Sphere (Yes, a VanillaWare game that has plenty of enormous breast, SCANDAL). Elsa Eliane in Front Mission 4. Alicia Melchiot in Valkyria Chronicles.

Gaming isn't all about Zelda, Mario and Gears of Wars.

By the way, that article is a satire.

Anthotis3954d ago

It's only an issue for femnazis and self loathing beta males.

cleft53954d ago (Edited 3953d ago )

It's a story telling mechanic. Maybe not a good one, but an easy one that gets the player invested in the character. Also, regardless of the gender of the character being rescued the storytelling mechanic works the same way. That's why it gets used so much. It's a little dishonest to call it a male power fantasy, when nothing changes about this storytelling mechanic if you switch the gender roles of the people being saved. For example, when Jade from Beyond Good and Evil was saving the Peter's character.

In general more women are being saved by male characters, but that's anecdotal because there are more straight, white male characters in games overall.

A perfect example of this mechanic working the same way, regardless of the gender of the person being saved is in the Mass Effect Series. If you play as female Shepard (who most people think of as the best Shepard) you are doing the same things as male Shepard. This includes recusing your crew be it a female or male member of the crew.

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EKWB reportedly plagued with financial disarray many gaming pc's left without parts

EK Cooling allegedly has slipped itself into a hot soup of seemingly endless financial woes, where it has not paid its staff, suppliers, and contractors for many months as the company is facing liquidity problems and a surplus of inventory left unsold, stuck in the warehouse for a more extended period. Gamers Nexus investigated these claims made by former and current personnel, where he found trails of unpaid bills lasting as long as three to four months and unpaid raises that accumulated for almost a year.

EK Water Blocks has two entities—a Slovenian-based headquarters and a US-based subsidiary, EK Cooling Solutions. Steve narrated the series of events in detail, stating that the company was reportedly irresponsible and negligent regarding payment. Consequently, partners and employees are forced to share the burden of alleged mismanagement. It all begins with its extensive range of products, leading to a surplus of goods. EK has over 230 water blocks, 40 liquid cooling kits, 85 reservoirs, 40 pumps, 73 radiators, and 212 miscellaneous accessories.

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just_looken2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yes this is not about video games directly but indirectly this will impact the pc gaming/workstation space hard.

This company is massive one of two in the water cool space so if it goes poof then thousands out there have no spare parts or half built computers.

SO yeah i know not about a video game but think of it as amd leaving the pc space but this is ekwb that could be leaving water cooling in the pc space

Jayz2cents a supporter of there products also has issues
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Giblet_Head2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

As someone that has built a watercooling rig. EK is big, but there's so many numerous watercooling part companies out there. EK's stuff isn't exactly amazing quality for the price compared to others either, it's just ok. Much like Corsair. The impact would be negligible long term. For perspective the majority of my parts are XSPC, at most I use EK for my gpu waterblocks and fittings. Both easily replaceable.

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El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron - Coming Back for a New Generation

Originally launched in 2011, El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron is coming to Nintendo Switch, so It's time to look back at the original.

jznrpg15h ago

Still have my ps3 copies. Bought it at launch and another one when I found it cheap and in perfect condition about 10 years ago. I wouldn’t buy it on Switch but if they made a PS5 version I would. I still have one of my PS3 Fats hooked up so good to go either way.

darthv7215h ago

Id play it again on the switch. I wished my 360 version was bc but this is still a good way to play.

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Fallout 3's Reveal Led To Death Threats And Bethesda's First Security Guard

The artist behind Fallout 4’s Deathclaw reveals just how bad things got back when Bethesda took over the series

anast16h ago

People are stupid I get it. No one should feel unsafe,

But I think they need to talk about why they cut so many corners during the development process and why none of their games ever look current. And why they think all of this is okay while they charge full price.

LucasRuinedChildhood16h ago

As much as Bethesda deserve criticism, that's not really relevant to the reveal of Fallout 3 in 2007.

VenomUK13h ago

The default angle Kotaku always go for is to highlight the worst in gaming.

I would’ve focused on the creative.

gold_drake12h ago

there is no "but". the hell lol
you dont send death threats, period.