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Shuhei Yoshida Responds On Ign Article About Sacrificed PS4 Camera To Beat Microsoft On Price

Shuhei Yoshida Responds, Everything is true except....

-Mika-3946d ago

It not funny... Yoshida twitter reply to scott sounded really unprofessional and when scott replied backed and brings up a valid point about PS4 eye camera support. Yoshida ignores him and just post a smiley. Yoshida did not handle this situation well and he did not answer the question about support for the PS4 eye. I have a feeling the ps4 eye camera might turn out just like the ps3 camera.

Mr_Nuts3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

That's nice dear

I mean Scott dosen't even have a clue anyway, look at his last tweet

*** Odd that many are interpreting the PS4 camera story as a dig at Sony. Not at all. But the future of motion control for PS4 IS seemingly grim ***

See that last part "future of motion control is grim"...who cares, most of us don't give a flying f*** about motion control. We should be glad it's just an option with limited support then like Kinect where it's shoved down your throat...IGN should know this but instead Scott makes it seem like it's a bad thing when it's not

How people get good jobs like this baffles me, it really does

Majin-vegeta3946d ago

All i hear is bla bla bla.

Kenshin_BATT0USAI3946d ago

Shuhei knows the people at IGN very well. He was just correcting them.

Lionalliance3946d ago

You got no sense of humor whatsoever lol, sad.

BIGBOSS083946d ago

it should end up like the PS3 camera, an irrelevant extra. consoles dont need cameras.

WalterWJR3946d ago

Take popular subject, criticise it and praise the opposite. Basic trolling 101.

I will give you one thing tho, you are bloody persistent.

ballisticvoodoo3946d ago

The "journalist" didn't handle the conversation professionally. Yosh said everything was correct but.... Then the so called "journalist" goes on to henpeck about not having strong support for the ps4 camera? Typical tabloid journalist BS. Yes I know IGN is not a tabloid but that doesn't mean the hacks they hire as journalists aren't.

gamer423946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@Majin-vegeta
You can hear text? Cool.
@disagrees
don't you guys have a sense of humor?

Utalkin2me3946d ago

Sony could have bundled the camera in and still beat MS on price. they would have done a camera bundle and PS4 for 349.99. Considering we already know the camera is 59.99 stand alone.

3-4-53946d ago

Do we buy gaming consoles for games or camera's ?

Do we buy camera's to take pictures, or to game ?

Seriously.

People make the biggest deal out of stuff that rarely matters and the stuff that does matter rarely gets talked about.

VitaOwner3946d ago

Why do you still have bubbles?

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Lord_Sloth3945d ago

@ Masterdon

It's very hard to even try and take you seriously with your incessant use of the letter Z and typing "u" as a substitute for "you".

Groo3945d ago

can i ask you this, would you have bought a PS4 if the camera did come bundled with the PS4? Would that have caused you to jump off of MS's boat? I have a feeling your answer is no..

Syntax-Error3945d ago

Only real gamers know this is the case. Only fanboys will dismiss the fact that Sony dropped the $100 off because the EYE is not comparable to Kinect as far as funtionality and doesnt constitute the price increase. If the EYE could do motion detection and voice recognition that integrates with the function of the console then you would have seen a $499 PS4

Nick_5153945d ago

He is friends with a lot of IGN. It was just a joke, but kind of correcting him at the same time. Shuhei is a really fun guy. He is always joking with them over Twitter.

illtornworld3945d ago

There was no situation, lol, its just a stupid camera and price

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--Onilink--3946d ago

Well it doesnt sound particularly promising that was the only thing he could say about the article. I understand that most people here(me included) could care less about the pseye. But in the end its a piece of tech that costs Sony R&D/ marketing money and they have effectively killed it. Just as any other peripheral on any console that is not included on every device

ZodTheRipper3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Yeah Sony killed the cam to save the console but Microsoft killed the whole console with it's always-on, always-listening cam ...I prefer Sony's approach and will probably get a camera some day, but I don't want to be forced to buy/use one.

Hayabusa 1173946d ago

Are you trolling or being sarcastic? Or do you work for Sony's R&D department?

First of all they haven't spent any money marketing it because it hasn't been released yet. Secondly, yes, it's Sony's money, they can spend it on whatever they want. Do you have any idea how much cash these companies are prepared to risk on R&D? That's why it's "research and developement" they already know that every idea won't be making a return.

Sony, who have already spent money developing the device, have decided the camera isn't worth putting in the PS4 box for some reason...but you want them to anyway because we should feel sorry for their investment?

I just don't get it.

MWong3946d ago

Was the PS4 originally going to be released with a camera. The likelihood of that is yes. Smart move by Sony to not add that additional $50 on it's consumers.

I don't think I will ever purchase or have a need for the camera. Didn't get it with my PS2-PS3, never saw the need.

So thank you Sony for not shoving it down my throat.

YoungKingDoran3946d ago

KwietStorm + 5h ago | Mika Bubble Vote Added

Bubble up for making fun of Mika

GunsAndTheBeast3946d ago

Yeah the camera is one thing, i like at how IGN made it look like Sony is hiding something too.. making it look bad. But the reality is that when you compare both the advantages of between the two consoles is that, PS4 you lose the camera, which is not that useful anyway, also having to pick to get a camera or not is good unlike Xbone they actually force you to pick one.

The logic here is that, with the PS4 you have a choice.

Also, the specs between the two, PS4 is on the winning side, and you don't get the headset for the xbone, you have to buy it separately. You gain something, you lose something.

--Onilink--3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

not understanding most of the replies... (the disagrees were obvious because it was a "negative" comment about Sony).

I am not saying Sony that I would prefer the idea of a PSEYE being included on every console, because I could care less about it, the one I got on PS3 I had it for less than a month before I sold it.

Im just stating(just like the article does) that Sony has effectively killed almost every change they had at making the PSEYE succesful. As it has happened with almost any device that is not included with every console (wii motion + adapter, pseye, even kinect sales pale in comparison to the amount of 360s sold). So im just talking about the other side of the coin, while im perfectly happy to just pay $400 and let sony be the one who decides what to do with the device

@Hayabusa 117

I particularly liked your idea that if I find something I dont agree/like about a console I have to be either trolling or sarcastic. I had forgotten that these companies are perfect and never make mistakes...

pixelsword3946d ago

If I may dust off an old chestnut...

...PWNT!

darren_poolies3945d ago

*couldn't care less

It infuriates me how many people get that wrong.

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fermcr3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Ir makes no sense putting a light bar tracking device on the PS4 controller, if the PS4 doesn't come bundled with the Eye Camera. Why put that tracking device on ALL controllers, if only a selected few that buy the Eye camera are going to use the technology. That's just wasting money... it's a bad economical business decision.

CGI-Quality3946d ago

"I don't think so, Tim."

-Al

OT: Thank you for the clarification, Mr Yoshida.

BitbyDeath3946d ago

Light bar isn't for the eye. The eye can be used with it but it's primary function is to let players know which controller they are using eg. player one lights up blue etc

admiralvic3946d ago

At first glance you might be right, but you got to look into things more deeply than that.

For instance, one of the biggest problems with the move was the low adoption rate. No one wanted it and no one supported it (in the grand scheme no one did, I know there are games / exclusives). By building it into the controller, Sony can effectively stop making Move wands (saving money) and will have larger numbers incase other developers want to implement move features.

Personally speaking, I like this choice. I am paying less than the Xbox One and always have the choice to upgrade to the "full experience" for at most $60 dollars. This will give me time to see if there is a need and it won't hurt me if there isn't one.

JokesOnYou3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Personally I don't have a problem with what sony is doing, they are treating it as a peripheral so if you want it then you have the option to get it. This strategy like all peripherals make the future support hit and miss for dev support but hey at least you weren't forced to buy it. On the other hand this is a point of distinction for micro because most games will benefit from the added options that Kinect brings and it will only continue to grow far more rapidly than ps eye compatible games.

Sure we are forced to pay but the cost in the longterm is easily worth it to me when you consider the additional features it adds to not only the basic functionality of X1 but also more immersion ranging from subtle interactions like body leaning in Forza5 +controller or wheel to avoid other cars or even more cool things that I heard on a podcast journalists were talking about a micro engineer who gave a demo of a game where touching your temple in a fps activated your charachters x-ray vision. To each his own but Id enjoy engaging my games in new ways like this.

DJMarty3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

@fermcr - The light bar has multiple uses, it can be used with the PS4EYE and also as away to tell which players are playing.

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CrimsonStar3946d ago

@ mika
Lol Mika I respect your enthusiasm , and your solidarity to post your honest to god opinion . I do I truly do , but damn you need to take a breather and stop trolling PS3 and 4 articles .

Kingnichendrix3946d ago

@Masterdon the reason people are not too keen on MS is because they are seeing what Microsoft is actually like, the whole drm thing pissed of many gamers and when they saw how many people they were losing from their fan base they reversed everything. Make no qualms about it microsoft care only for 1 thing $$$$ if not go and find out how Xbox came to be.

Narutone663946d ago

As someone who replied to Mika, there should be a bubble named Mika, but I say there should be a bubble named corporate shills, so it would apply to GreenPowerz, JokesOnYou and others.

Aceman183946d ago

i find it sad that the people who are complaining about this just because they are forced to use the one on xbox. also complaining about lower price point is stupid.

id rather a system with no camera lower price, then one with camera and higher price.

besides its an option and if i feel like i need one i can buy it later.

ign and those making a big to do about this truly have nothing better to do with their time.

kenshiro1003946d ago

You never give up, do you Mika.

DarkBlood3946d ago

i dont get it mika hates nintendo and is now saying something bad about sony, wtf dudette make up your mind lol

Narutone663946d ago

As long as it's not MS, it is bad.

andibandit3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

@Mr_Nuts

"most of us don't give a flying f*** about motion control"

I guess that's why the Wii failed so hard.

Gameatholon3945d ago

Hey Mika whats it like when 90% if the site thinks you are a troll and disagrees with you?

S2Killinit3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

I see Mika is at it again. This guy posts in PS4 articles more than he does in xbox ones. He is a Playstation fan, he just doesn't know it yet.

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komp3946d ago

I wonder if he pondered using the old 'trout slap' pic at some point prior to posting that.

1OddWorld3946d ago

Most people responding to this article are forgetting that the kinnect support from third party developers will in all likely-hood port over, so as long as sony supports this feature in some form the PSeye will have plenty going on this time around.

Very smart move on Sony's part for letting us make the choice and letting Microsoft take all the risk pushing the peripheral.

theWB273946d ago

How? The only thing he got wrong was camera support with game demos. It was corrected. But if it weren't for Microsoft...the PS4 would have been bundled with a camera.

Mr_Nuts3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Oh here we go, a typical MS fanboy trying to make MS look like a hero on an article which is purley about Sony, IGN and the PS4.

***But if it weren't for Microsoft...the PS4 would have been bundled with a camera. ***

You don't know that and I highly doubt that would be the case anyway.

Your nearly as bad as Mika you know

Muerte24943946d ago

have bundled the camera in the ps4, it would still be cheaper than Xbox360. My question is why is Microsoft system, less powerful, cost more than ps4? Even if you remove Kinect, it shouldn't even be the same price as ps4.

Fluke_Skywalker3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Dunno why people are disagreeing with Muerte^^
He's right. The PS4 camera is priced at £45 so even if you add that on separately it's still only £395. Still £35 cheaper than Xbone.

karl3946d ago

how u figure that?

ps cameras have never been the focus of a playstation console its treated as a camera that can be used to play games..

MS has made a few E3s about kinect and its part of the console since its needed for it to work...

CrimsonStar3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@WB27
I respectfully disagree , the reason The Ps4 isn't bundled with all PS4's is because its not a mandatory feature . The PS4 will operate with or without the camera .

BitbyDeath3946d ago

@Muerte2494, MS aren't a hardware company.
Kinect 1 cost $150, Kinect 2 is likely costing even more.

Kaneda3945d ago

M$ camera is more improved then last gen camera. That is the reason why it is more expensive and of course, company wants to make profits too.

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theWB273946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

The title of page says it! Yoshida confirms and says your mistake was saying no games were using the camera. IGN editor says he corrected it. Heres the article.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

It isn't purely about Sony,IGN, and the PS4. It's about the price and Micro including the Kinect and how Sony took their camera out in order to undercut the price.

Disagree all you want...but the article and Yoshida's response is right there. Holy crap...it's all right there.

Unlike Mika..I go after people who post falseness just cause its cool to downplay anything Micro. I don't praise the Xbox much actually...but this is much more fun. To see and article and YOshida confirm what they did and loyalists still act like there's doubt cause it's Sony. Show me where what I said was false.

Utalkin2me3946d ago

It would have been 50 dollars cheaper regardless, sheesh give it a rest kid.

theWB273946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

So why take the camera out if it were going to be cheaper anyway? No guarantee it still would have been.

@misterzadir
Ok...not proving anything. But people jump on Micro for including Kinect and forcing it down our throats. Sony had the same idea and only switched to get a lower price point. They built the controller to function with the camera and now a feature they planned on having from the beginning is gone just to get a lower price point. If you can't see that in the article...oh well.

sarcastoid3946d ago

Yes... they chose not to force a stupid camera down our throats. They thought about it, of course. But they chose not to. They didn't go one way and then flip, they simply made the pro-consumer choice from the start, not AFTER they saw they were failing. There IS a difference there. I'm not sure exactly what your comment is trying to prove wrong.

maniacmayhem3946d ago

@WB

you're arguing with a brick wall here on N4G. Any use of common sense that doesn't favor a shred of Sony will label you a Xbox fanboy.

In the tweet one person even says:

"Shu, the PS Camera was originally planned to be bundle with the PS4?is that the correct part of the article?"

Which Shuhei Yoshida replies:

"no comment, sorry"

If the PS4 was never intended to include the camera then why say no comment. Just say no, it wasn't.
The PS4 was more than likely was intended to have the camera included which is why they showed off a lot of features for it and the combined controller.

Now they'll have a device that will sit on the store shelf since its not needed and will hardly get supported (maybe?) just like the Move.

miyamoto3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

What a laugh!

You cant spell IGNorance with out IGN.

I am an avid PS Move gamer and I support the PS Move system because it is fun playing with my nephews

but

Unlike M$ or Nintendo Sony knows best not to force motion gaming on PlayStation core gamers. Its an optional peripheral and feature as Sony knows not everyone is into motion gaming as core gaming is still heavily grounded on controllers.

For Scott Lowe to say the camera was axed to give the PS4 lower price advantage is pure guess work and uneducated deduction.

The DS4 is not heavily dependent on the PSEye.

http://www.shacknews.com/ar...

"The light-bar doesn’t require the camera to function. It’s just a different way of identifying the player. In terms of using the LED [as in the Dualshock 3, with] numbers like 1, 2, 3 and 4, it looked a bit odd. The SCEI people wanted some smarter way of doing it, and the use of a full-color LED came up," Yoshida told Edge.

All these make sense.

Scott really got owned.

*facepalm

Sony showed support with PSEye and Move control system with their demo on last Feb PS4 reveal. And I know Media Molecule has something creatively genius with that 3D do-it-yourself- game maker game.

Not because they did not show some demo at E3 is reason enough to say the PS Eye is sacrificed, or abandoned. Sony has spread all their game announcements on all coming major trade shows.

PS
@ you and @maniacmayhem

And based on your argument about Kinect kudos to Sony for letting M$ copy the "Wrong PS4 System" set to be unveiled at E3.

M$ fell 4 it!!!!

M$ has copied the PlayStation for the last time.

Dacapn3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@thewb27 & maniacmayhem

You can argue about maybes and possibilities, but I prefer to look at what is.

I have no (read none at anytime ever) interest in motion controls of any kind.

That being said, I like that I have the choice to not buy it for the PS4. Kinect is the sole reason I will never get an Xbox One. If I didn't have to use Kinect, I would get an Xbox One. It's that simple. Something so trivial is what Microsoft is using to completely alienate some of their customers. I know not everyone shares my sentiment. Some people actually enjoy playing an overly simplified tennis match in their living room with their hand and an imaginary ball instead of just going outside. I get it. But I also know that there are people that feel the same way I do. The PS4 accommodates both people. The Xbox One does not. That's what is. The people who want Kinect or don't mind paying an extra $100 for something they may or may not use will buy the Xbox One. It's not that serious. Quit trying to convince people to like everything about the system. Personally, I love everything about the Xbox One...except Kinect. It's a dealbreaker.

If you're saying that Sony did this to undercut Microsoft on price, then thank you Microsoft! You helped make the decision for me.

Hicken3946d ago

What are you even talking about?

The camera is priced at $60. The console is $400. Combine them, and you get $460, which is still less than the $500 price tag of the XBOne.

You don't have to be a loyalist or a fanboy to see that. It's just damn common sense.

Or basic math.

Either way, it's pretty freakin simple.

Imalwaysright3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

What use of common sense? Does he work at Sony to know that the PSeye isn't included with every PS4 to keep the cost down? Does he have prove of that?

Couldn't have Sony have made market research and get to the conclusion that making the camera optional would make the PS4 more appealing to consumers that don't want to be forced to buy a device that they don't want and they'll never use?

Giving options and not forcing things down our throats, believe it, or not is consumer friendly and that is all the common sense I need.

tarbis3946d ago

I suggest you guys watch the damn PS4 reveal and Xbone reveal on youtube and come back here and tell me which one of them is shoving the damn camera feature from the get go?

theWB273946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@Hicken
http://www.escapistmagazine...

http://www.google.com/#scli...

@Imalwaysright
Market research didn't do it. Microsofts price point did. Ill leave the link for you too.

http://www.google.com/#scli...

Yoshida is a president in Sony's entertainment division.

@tarbis
I suggest you read the links too. Last minute scratch. Are you guys really that blind? Yoshida confirms the story that they scrapped it last second to undercut the price. Everyone is reporting it would have been the same price as the X1. If you don't want to believe the president, him confirming the story, IGN, and all these links confirming they scrapped it in order to drop the price...then I'm done debating it. The proof is right there. There's nothing you can tell me that's different from what Yoshida confirms and all these different links say.

Imalwaysright3946d ago

@ WB27 The only link that works for me its the 1st and it confirms nothing, its just a rumour.

Your 2nd and 3rd links just lead to the google homepage. Could you please post the correct link?

Hicken3946d ago

"According to sources," reads your only real link, as the others are just Google search results.

And that conflicts reports from directly Sony saying they were happy when they heard the XBOne's price, because they knew they had a better one.

It also doesn't make any mathematical sense, as a bundle almost invariably CUTS the price of the total content, rather than raising it.

Please, tell me: what sense does it make to remove a peripheral in order to cut $100 off the price, then sell that peripheral for 3/5 of the difference? Any other such bundle would see the multiple components costing MORE by being sold separately, not less.

Care to explain how this would have been different?

moparful993945d ago

@WB You're argument has MAJOR holes in it.. First of all Sony had NO idea what the price of the XBONE was going to be until the MS E3 press conference.. So for your theory to be sound in reason that means Sony decided in the few hours between MS' presser and their own to drop the Eye from the bundle and have enough time to modify their presentation accordingly? Sounds very far fetched.. Not only that but the EYE is $60 so they were going to undercut the price of the XBONE whether they decided to include it or not... Why couldn't Sony have just decided in the days or weeks leading up to E3 just decide from a marketing standpoint that it made more sense to them to NOT include the EYE in the box? All of this price undercutting stuff is pure speculation and not grounded in facts...

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Prcko3946d ago

So this is Confirmed now,hahah good one

Angeljuice3945d ago

SONY SAID THEY WERE*LISTENING*, The community was up in arms about mandatory kinect, Sony heard that and responded. Whether the price would have been higher and by how much, we don't know. Maybe it was the difference between making a profit per console or breaking even. Sony said all along they were targeting $399 !

gamer423946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

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Obscure_Observer352d ago

"Got that one right, Shu!"

Kind of ironic when Sony is focused on GaaS like never before.

Flakegriffin352d ago (Edited 352d ago )

Companies evolve overtime. Sony has implemented themselves in the single player space relatively well. Now they can expand further by doing more all while still giving us single player experiences. Obviously Shu is speaking on GaaS games being the main dominance of the gaming space and if that’s the future then that indeed sucks.

You can have that mindset all while still creating some GaaS titles.

InUrFoxHole352d ago

They have 10 in the works right now.

Crows90352d ago

Absolutely! Man all the freaking gaas games theyve been releasing...wait. Not a single one.

sinspirit351d ago

Did you read? It says "dominated". That word means something.

RedDevils351d ago

They don't want to be Blockbuster, too stubborn to adapt with time.

tagzskie351d ago

kinda ironic when it comes to xbox you xboys can even defeat einstein in explation why its good, when it comes to ps you guys became dumb and dumber..

FinalFantasyFanatic351d ago

How so? They're only after one or two good GaaS games, they're throwing crap at the wall until something sticks, alot of those games in development are going to languish and die shortly after release. They're still predominately focused on their core strategy of great single player games (look at the previous interview where they admit they cancel alot of games).

Bathyj351d ago

God why do Xbox gamers always love the thought of PlayStation being as crappy as Xbox.?

DarXyde351d ago

"Like never before" regarding GaaS is like saying "PS3 is a console that launched with HDD space like never before": it's a very low bar to clear because there isn't much precedent.

I happen to agree with Shu here. I don't think being a GaaS title is a scarlet letter, but I can't think of any live service games that have been great at launch either. Naughty Dog is looking likely break that trend. I'd say two love service titles at a time is the sweet spot. I suspect people can only deal with a limited number of live service games contemporaneously.

TheCaptainKuchiki351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

Lmaooo
People always criticize Sony because 90% of their exclusives are single player games. People say they are too expensive because of low replay value.
And you wanna pretend like Sony is focusing on Gaas? Their biggest games aren't Gaas unlike MICROSOFT.

ModsDoBetter351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

How are Sony focused on GaaS?

They own Bungie and have Destiny but the majority of their titles are far from GaaS.

Why, if you are such a die hard Xbot, do you rush to comment on Sony related articles?

1Victor351d ago

@obscure
Are you ok now we was worried about your mental health state when you disappeared for almost a week from bashing PlayStation articles.
Is the word DENIED still triggering you?

I haven’t read the article as my spam blocker always red flags that site and I don’t t want to risk it so a general comment it is 🤦🏿
We all know live services game and quality rarely goes together but some of them are fun to play

derek351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

@Obscure, Sony is starting from a place of zero which requires a big initial investment to establish themselves in the live services market.

Vengeance1138351d ago

It's very much the opposite, Shu said this damn well knowing Sony is going hard on GaaS. This is Shu confirming that Single player games won't be effected at all despite them going into Live service.

Extermin8or3_351d ago

Except they aren't really- they have what may be a live service game from Haven studios and firewalk studios, they have another from a second party dev and an fps game with multiplayer focus by deviation games, they counted Gt7 as a live service game but really it's not much different to how recent GT titles were treated, they have the last of us factions, a Horizon multiplayer game in production at guerilla alongside horizon 3, a new ip from Bungie. The rest of their studios seem to be hard at work on traditional singleplayer games that may also have a multiplayer mode or may not. So their live service titles are mostly in development from either new teams setup at existing studios or from acquisitions they have made which really just replace the capabilities they once had through Sony Online Entertainment until they sold it half a decade ago. Only I'd argue their new capabilities in this space would appear to be better and have higher quality talent than it did back then.

Sonic1881349d ago

And what is Xbox focused on? Redfall is so bad, it's worse than Forspoken 😂😂😂

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S2Killinit352d ago

Thank god for actual gamers in the industry.

neutralgamer1992352d ago

Shu I agree but right now Sony themselves are working on more than 5 live service games

Redemption-64352d ago

He never said they were not working on any. He said, he doesn't want to see Gaming's Future dominated by live-Service Games. Sony currently has 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games and that is honestly a very good balance

neutralgamer1992352d ago

I agree I just hope their live service games are not simple money grabs and try to do some good interesting things

-Foxtrot352d ago

"and that is honestly a very good balance"

The issue is, whether people want to admit it or not because it's Sony, but once a company gets a taste of that money GaaS games make the chances of them going money crazy becomes super higher

I know what you'll probably say

"bu bu but Sony wouldn't do that"

NO COMPANY is immune, even the best can fall and I really don't want to see that happen here.

The fact people will completely blow that off and pretend it's not even a possibility is worrying to me because that's how we end up shits creek.

They might be fine...they might go too far but at the moment I don't think it's a bad thing at all to be sceptical with the shit this industry has gone through in the past 10 years alone.

FinalFantasyFanatic351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

The thing is most of those 10 games won't even be viable, out of the 10 that actually get released, probably only 1 or 2 will make the big bucks worth continuing support. I think Sony even knows that, look at all the other GaaS games that release and die shortly after. Personally I'm okay with that because I don't want the market dominated with these games.

I'd actually rather the resources go on to making some more top-tier JRPGs, I feel like we don't get enough of those in the last couple of gens.

neutralgamer1992351d ago

Final Fantasy

But keep in mind when those games fail many of the studios are shut and there are layoffs

NotoriousWhiz351d ago

I don't want a Gaas game. I just want a new socom. A strong multi-player title with no purchases beyond the initial purchase.

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-Foxtrot352d ago

Yeah exactly what I was thinking

Not 1

Not a cheeky 2

But freaking 5

Like it’s not even a “we’ll try doing one and see how it goes”

__SteakDeck__352d ago

@-Foxtrot What do you have against live service games. I’m not a fan of live service games, but multiplayer games can be done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it. As long as PS’s core studios keep making single player games, everything should be fine.

Redemption-64352d ago

Sony said they have 25 games in development. 10 being live service games, with the other mostly likely being single player games. They have more single player games in development

-Foxtrot352d ago

@__SteakDeck__

Urm....that they are a cancer in this industry

That the majority of them fail and the developers have then wasted years on them rather than other things.

They turn developers and publishers into thirsty little money grabbers where that big money is still not enough for them.

I could go on, defending GaaS games is not a hill to die on man, it's really not

"done right just look at Titanfall before EA killed it"

Titanfall 2 was not really a GaaS type of game compared to what we are getting now so that's a really bad example.

__SteakDeck__352d ago

@-Foxtrot Yeah it seems like you just have a hatred for multiplayer games. I’m not the biggest fan of multiplayer games, but like I said they can be done well. Also Titanfall 1 had no single player it was multiplayer only and it’s now a dead game, but it was still good. So yes that is a good example.

FinalFantasyFanatic351d ago

@_SteakDeck_,
I'm still salty about Titanfall 2, it was one of the only multi-player games I actually liked.

NotoriousWhiz351d ago

Multi-player games don't have to be Gaas games. Look at Mario Kart, Splatoon. Nintendo's games most likely don't have Gaas because they're behind the times, but this is one area where it's better to be behind the times.

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blackblades351d ago

And? They still have single player games. Domination would completely ruled with live services which Sony should know to still do single player. On a side note they should also do a few 1st party smaller games like indie or AA. By the way is indie a single A game.

Philaroni351d ago (Edited 351d ago )

To be fair, so has many other companies aka Ubisoft for example and many of them they decided to end development on. Just because something is in the works does not mean it will release if they do not feel it will pan out. ATM all of the GaaS we know of from Sony are The Last of Us Factions, and some kind of Horizon (Monster Hunter like) game. Also keep in mind, they do own Bungie, and Destiny and there new project be it Destiny 3 and there new IP will likely be that. So just that on its own is near half of what we can best assume.

Main issue with GaaS now days is that its very over saturated. Keep in mind as well Battel Royal games are GaaS by nature also, hell CoD is GaaS. Halo Infinity, ditto. Really now days unless something is an honest to god single player game only the GaaS term gets over used.

Not sure if many played it (I loved it) Gun's Up was a GaaS for a long while, it was going to shut down till some youtubers gave it a bit of new life for another half of year. We know Sony Mobile is working on things and it not shock me if some of this stuff is targeted to the mobile market.

Right now Sony's biggest weakness I'd say is MP games. With that Firewalk studio from lots of vets they just acquired its quite likely there game will have GaaS stuff as part of it, that is still years down the line. I think everyone needs to chill out some and just wait and see what comes. We have not really got a real honest GaaS from Sony before this or even last gen really... At least as we know them now days. Such a broad term now.

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