Resistance 1 used just 10 - 20% of SPUs

This comes straight from Insomniac's brochure released on 1ts January,2008.

Summary of SPU usage found on page 34 of the 38 paged documentation :-

SPUs
All our systems started off as RAW mode
The only long term (not finished this frame) asynchronous
processing is the collision on the raw SPUs
We use [Job Manager] but not all systems use it in the typical way
of fire and forget. Most of our system require the SPU to be
running a particular system at the same time as the PPU.
To ensure the SPU is doing what we want at the correct time we
send [Job Manager] the job and use our own thin
synchronization and job buffering schemes using the locked-line
for communication
10-20% total SPU utilization

[drewdrakes]

Use 10% to 20% of the SPUs' POWER. Clarify this please.

[zambrota]

pg 31

SPU Configuration
 2 Raw mode SPUs
 One SPU running broad collision
 One SPU running narrow collision
 These run all the time
 3 [Job Manager] SPUs
 In a thread group running SPURS
 [Job Manager] policy module
 All jobs go on these
 1 Unused
 This is for the OS to steal for AC3 Encode etc
 This should be used with its own job manager instance in the
future for jobs that don’t mind getting interrupted by the OS

SPES used in (pg 33)

 Animation
 Audio (NextSynth and LR1)
 Bucketer sort
 Collision (separate broad and narrow)
 Dynamic DB
 Dynamic joint
 FX update
 Geom Cull Clip (for shadows and decals)
 Glass
 Moby constants
 Physics collision
 Physics simulation
 Particle (weather fx)
 Render mats
 Static DB
 Water (FFT)

pg 34
contents posted above*****

FIXED

do give me bubbles please

[cellypower]

For you Z

[actas123]

Bubbles for u. Keep up the good work champ!

[Greek99]

I dont see why you have only 3 bubbles.

[mikeslemonade]

This game wouldn't have ran as well on the xbox 360 because of the huge maps, 40 player mutiplayer on dedicated servers with no lag, and the speed of this game. 360 owners are stuck with the slow Gears, Halo, and Mass Effect.

[barom]

actually the reason why XLive doesn't have 40 player or anything on that level is because they use P2P. Which imo sucks especially if you pay for it.

But I guess that's not what they're paying for

[mikeslemonade]

Yea I was meaning to compare all aspects and xbl was included. This is proof that xbl is actually lagging in some areas compared to PSN. I don't think any major 360 multiplayer game every hit even 32 players thus far and the system has been for more than 2 years. The PS2 was able to do it with 32 player with SOCOM 3 and there was lag in the smaller maps, but none of the larger maps.

[Lord Anubis]

Zambrota you are going to have to wait because I had already given you a bubble so it will take a week before I can give you another.

[CeruleanSky]

"Use 10% to 20% of the SPUs' POWER. Clarify this please."

In an ideal PS3 game all three of these things are doing work at the same time:

* PPU
* All non-OS used SPUs
* RSX

and every bus is saturated with data being transfered for each unit so when the current workload is done work can be started immediately without stalling.

The pdf is talking about how they still have a huge amount of parallelizing of their engine workload to do for their games after Resistance.

With Resistance the SPUs were operating much more in lock step than ideal. As they continue to upgrade their PS3 engine(s) they will be detaching more and more processing so that the number of things that can be done at once rises to the point where they will have every SPU operating in parallel constantly.

It is very similar to development on the PS2 but on a much larger scale where the huge leaps in graphic engines came as developers got better at having both VU0 and VU1 operating in parallel.

[JsonHenry]

My question is this - since the CPU only has direct access to 256megs of system RAM - exactly how much of the SPUs can they really use since they can only put so much information through at one time due to the system RAM as is? I am not saying they can't do it. I am just wondering from a devs point of view what tricks can they pull to fix this problem?

[Armyless]

Very very different stuff now.

[millertime8306]

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe each SPU has its own cache that it can use for computations

[Mu5afir]

Each SPU can run two operations (threads) at the same time. :)

[fenderputty]

"1.12 - @JSon
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe each SPU has its own cache that it can use for computations "

That's exactly what Heavenly Sword did. It used the SPU's to handle having all those enimies on screen at one time without touching the main RAM.

[Armyless]

The SPU's all have their own Cache and they can all SHARE cache and threads with each other SPU INDEPENDANT (if programmed that way) of the PPU.

[INehalemEXI]

Bubble @ you Z

[drewdrakes]

Are you guys stupid? I said it was using 10 to 20% of the SPUs' power, how is that a wrong statement? The wrong statement is that it uses 10 to 20% of the SPUs. THAT statement means its using about 1 out of 8 SPUs, understand the difference? Its using 5 SPUs, but 10 to 20% of the power of those SPUs. Understand now? God.

So CeruleanSky, i dont know what the hell YOU thought i was talking about.

[CeruleanSky]

"i dont know what the hell YOU thought i was talking about."

Obviously no one knew what the hell you were talking about.

[The Dark Knight]

and it shows :P

jokinggggggggg :P

[Capt CHAOS]

.

[Whoooop]

you keep getting owned...

:)

[The_Engineer]

him and his merry band of bots foaming at the mouth. That's why the admin throws a muzzle on em.

[cjp4eva]

firstknight is a rrod head, nothing good expected from him.

[pwnsause]

i dont blame him, his 360 is possibly in a repair shop, just like my freind's 360 who, is a xbot.

[Hydrollex]

PS3 >>>>>>> 360

[Pandaren00]

bubblez for u 2

[captainpwn]

He's down to 1 bubble. Maybe people don't like his display pic.

[RecSpec]

Well, it's a launch title, nothing shocking here.

[MUNKYPOO]

we only use 10-20% of our hearts too

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Imagine if our hearts had a Cell processor...

...effin' A!

[kurochi]

Freaking retard..... humans use ALL of our heart... We only use 10% of our brain-capacity. Get some knowledge before you freaking post.

Edit: @ 8.3 & 8.4

If you're really interested in this topic, please read "Conversations with Neil's brain", by W. Calvin in regard to this matter. This is a gaming site and I don't want to bring the academic field into this. However, 8.4 does have semi-relevant point in using your brain functions all at once, but that's debatable.

[Skerj]

I hope you were kidding kurochi because I do believe MUNKYPOO was. Also the 10% of the brain usage is a myth that somehow continues to be perpetuated but it's false.

[Synex]

No we use all of our brain, just not all at the same time.

[Whoooop]

the other 90% we use it on our c*cks.

:)

[Sevir04]

if humans were able to use more than five we'd be made... the average human male uses 4-5% of our brain capacity while females use about 6. genius and super geeks are one who tap into about 8-9 percent. but fankid only use .00009% of brain capacity, as seen with comment by firstknight and wagglesave and those other nutcases from the sony side who are perhaps just as extreme as the xbox kids ^^

this is besides the point, if resistance 1 was only using aproximately 15-20 percent and giving 15 as the sweet spot for a launch title that stood above every other launch title for the ps3 and xbox360 besides motorstorm then rachet must have used alittle close to 30 percent because the most graphical game for the PS3 is uncharted and it was about 30 percent of spu full capacity. and motorstorm used 15 percent as well so i really wonder how much they are using as a 3rd gen title with R2 because that engine is amazing..

simply put they are genius. amazing talented devs that dont sleep, true insomniacs and lives up to there name.

all insomniac games + PS3= pwnage

[MUNKYPOO]

kurochi i was just jokin. i got it from starsky and hutch.

[Armyless]

I'll keep this simple, don't want it going over your head.

Jumping on his neck for saying something funny that YOU mistook as his ignorance... is... well....

ignorant.

Good day.

[pharmd]

wasnt it actually from wedding crashers? either way i cracked up when i read that.... bubs up

[Ri0tSquad]

Huge environments, great A.I., long campaign, 20vs20 robust online with no lag, huge maps, and a WHOLE lot going on at once with the framerate never dropping. The game didn't look so hot in HD but it didn't have last gen graphics at all. If you haven't played through the whole campaign, please don't criticize this game. Resistance 1 was the best 60 bucks I spent in 2007.

[akaFullMetal]

i agree, it was one of the best games i thought of 2007, but if people are complaing how it didnt look like a next generation game, then tell me how halo 3 looks, see i can do the same thing.

[chrno6]

yeah I agree, and resistance and halo 3 have the same quality of grahpics. (not to mention that resistance was a launch title)

[Partisan]

Bubblez for you

[Boink]

but why is this news?

1 year after realease, who cares?

that just tells me they should have put more work in it since they supposedly had so much power left.

I feel bad for whomever wasted their life reading pages and pages of a manual to re-justify why they purchased their favorite fanboy console...

[kurochi]

you, sir are a retard. While I may agree with you that this may not be news, you saying that "that just tells me they should have put more work in it since they supposedly had so much power left." is like me saying well, why didn't they have Gears out during the 360 launch? Just like everyone else, insomniac need to get use to the PS3, so did the programmers that developed Gears.

[Sevir04]

you sir just exemplified my statement made earlier ".... but fankid only use .00009% of brain capacity" go back to school and learn how to think and speak as if you know how to. *Rolls eyes*

[Bubble Buddy]

Are you stupid?> I don't usually make rants but when you said "they should have put more work into it..." Resistance was an amazing game. Insomniac is one of the best developers in the gaming industry. They will soon release their 3rd, yes 3rd ps3 game on the ps3 in 3 years. All of their titles should have been triple A. Resistance was bummed down to 86 i think because of all the UK reviewers who gave it a low score such as IGN uk. Ratchet and the infamous Gamespot conspiracy as we all know with metacritic adding random sites they barely acknowledge in their other reviews ignoring many 90+ scores. If triple A title meant getting an 88, ps3 already would have 4 more other games. If you think you can work harder than Insomniac then go do it. They already finished resistance's 2 main campaign just needing to fix out the bugs and graphics. Yes they finished it after two month releasing ratchet. Can you find me another developer that makes amazing games once a year? And no EA doesn't count. And Naughty Dog is of course with Sony.

[Armyless]

This is a hobby to many of us, and for some it's an actual career.
Why are you here?

[captainpwn]

for the morons who wasted their time playing gaylo on the xflop.

[sephy 9 2 5]

If Insomniac's main goal was to make it a launch title....?

[Boink]

I said it was a good game, but why rush it out to get something there for launch, why not wait a bit, use more power and make a truly great game?

if they could have made something as good as R:FOM2 is looking, but it would have meant that R:FOM game would have been released in march instead of a launch title would that not be better?

or is you fanboyism so blind than even constructive criticism will not be tolerated?

jackoffs....

[MK_Red]

That's rather obvious. First gen games use less than 20 percent of any console's power. Imagine PS2's first gen games and compare them to monsters like God of War or Shadow of the Colossus.
Personally, I didn't like Resistance 1's graphics and I'm more curious to know how much of SPU's were used for Ratchet & Clank TOD which IMO is one of the best looking available PS3 games and one that made me say "WOW".

Anyway, great find and news.

[-EvoAnubis-]

I fail to see how this is news. A launch title only uses 20% of the systems power!? WOW!!!! Who would have guessed? Also, R&C:ToD looked awesome . . . tell me how much power that used, and I'll be impressed.

It goes w/o saying that we have yet to see a game that truly drives the PS3 hardware . . . and it'll be a year or two before we even begin to understand how powerful this beast is.

I'm just glad we're no longer seeing lackluster ports of 360 games . . . F.E.A.R. made me want to kick a puppy.

[Armyless]

When a developer is beginning work on a sequel to a successful new IP, the gaming community wants to know how they're going to approach development in the SECOND GENERATION of a NEW console's life-span.

What they learned in the process of making the original...
What steps they can take to optimize code...
How THEY will tackle the Cell programming juggernaut...

News to everyone that cares, and that's plenty, even if you ain't one of 'em.

[ps3playbeyon]

Great Game 4 a launch title !! anyways I just Cant wait for the 2nd one!!! Hope they use the ps3 power more than the first!!

[Skerj]

R1 looked damn good for a launch title, and the graphics still hold up today. The AI was really aggressive and at times tactical, it made me rethink the way I play shooters, which was already pretty careful. There was some kind of weird grid/rocket gun in the making of video in the game, I so hope that's in the sequel and more.

Now that they've tuned the engine maybe we'll start seeing some crazy ass reality bending weapons. Here's wishing for the backlash grenade and the reapers for the 1st play through, and WEAPON UPGRADES a la Ratchet or even better.

[Doctor Strange]

Resistance 2 is going to be a monster, with all the stuff they learned during Ratchet and Clank this game is going to be amazing.

Insomniac is one of my favorite devs right now.

[IntelligentAj]

Yeah I just read the GI preview of Resistance 2 and DAMN!! That game is going to be crazy. That being said: of course Resistance only used 10-20% of the PS3's power. It's a launch title. You find me one launch title that used all of the systems resources.

[-EvoAnubis-]

I have no idea how you got a disagree for that. Everything you said was actual fact.

[shine1396]

if I get a disagree for saying nothing...

[Strife Lives]

Does this count out of a 100 percent that devs may never be able to use? Or is a realistic amount of it? Cuz with the effecienciey of the cell and the spus,we may never see 100 percent.kinda like driving a ferrari F50 in peak traffic in New York City. Is it just for show? Cuz u may never be able to floor that beauty of a car

[-EvoAnubis-]

That's somewhat an inaccurate comparison. Unlike tearing though NYC in a Ferrari, there's nothing stopping a developer from using more of the PS3's processing power except for their own shortcomings.

I have to say that I'm getting sick and tired of devs whining about how hard it is to develop for the PS3. As if consoles were supposed to be the same forever, and the exact same things that worked in the Atari 2600 days should still work today. It's called "progression." Get with it, or get out of the business.

[mistertwoturbo]

No. It's more like a Ferrari F50 at the nurburgring. Sure a rookie driver can hit let's say 8 min's flat (new developer). While a seasoned veteran can tear it up into pieces and hit 7'30 seconds (PS3 experienced developer).

[CeruleanSky]

"I have to say that I'm getting sick and tired of devs whining about how hard it is to develop for the PS3."

No one but crappy x86 pc developers like Valve and Id are 'whining about the PS3' because they can't handle anything but the outdated desktop pc architecture.

It is the same tired old BS Xbox fanboys have been desperately trying to spread since the Dreamcast/Xbox days years ago.

[-EvoAnubis-]

I'll give you an agree, but please, chill out on the fanboy crap. I got tired of that ish on the GameFAQ boards (which is why I rarely go there anymore, despite being a regular poster once upon a time).

And yes, I'm well aware of how rampant fanboyism is here on N4G . . . I may have just made my account today, but I've been lurking for months. To set the record straight, I'm a GAMER, not a fanboy. I may not like the 360 at all, but when a game as good as Mass Effect appears on it, I do take notice.

[lesferdinand]

"I have to say that I'm getting sick and tired of devs whining about how hard it is to develop for the PS3. As if consoles were supposed to be the same forever, and the exact same things that worked in the Atari 2600 days should still work today. It's called "progression." Get with it, or get out of the business."

I agree with you partially. It's very dangerous to linger too long in the past. E.g. look at Windows and its DOS legacy. But developers are in the business to make money. So architecture that limits their productivity (at least initially) should be a factor when considering what platform to develop for. On the other hand, they shouldn't be too short sighted and also look at what platform has the best potential for broadening the video game market in the long run. The Wii shows that there's a market outside the tried and tested genres. Maybe when playing to the PS3's strengths it's possible to get people to play games that otherwise wouldn't. Market expansion like that would warrant the extra (inital) cost of development.

It's a job for Sony to push technology forward but also to supply devs with tools that make their job as easy as possible. And if they do add complexity, it should have benefits in some form (e.g. gameplay not possible on another platform). Progress without tangible benefits isn't real progress.

[Spydiggity]

no xbox fans read or care about this article, so not sure why you're attacking 360 fans. as for graphics, this game blew, as for quality, this game blew, as for everything else, this game blew. and who wants 20 vs 20?? way too many for a standard FPS multiplayer. more doesn't mean better.
you sorry people will look for any reason to brag. i just find it funny that the reason you all bought this extremely crappy game is because they bragged about how it utilized PS3 to the fullest. now they are saying they weren't even trying and you act like that's a good thing. you all got ripped off the first time, now they are using cheap tactics to trick you into buying piece of crap part 2.

[ar]

"no xbox fans read or care about this article..."
You obviously do.

[pharmd]

wow, i can see your bubbles disappear as i type this

[InMyOpinion]

Grabbing for straws...

[Armyless]

Kind of like your presence on this thread?

-grasping at straws-

1. trying to find reasons to feel hopeful about a bad situation.
2. trying to find some way to succeed when nothing you choose is likely to work.

[InMyOpinion]

Thx Mr.Grammar. English isn't my 1st language.

What justifies your presence here? You're not even commenting on the article. No one likes grammar nazis.

If PS3 fanboys still need to use tech on paper(instead of games) to prove the PS3's worth I feel it's grasping at straws. It just shows that the games don't convince. Not saying the games look bad or anything, just not as good as everyone expected after Sony's PR bs about all games in 1080p, 4D, 200fps etc. It was not supposed to be on par with the 360, it was supposed to blow it out of the water(did I get that one right?).

People say PS3 games will improve a lot during 2008. I know they will. But guess what, so will 360 games, and Wii games as well. Graphical improvements are not exclusive to the PS3. If a developer finds graphical solutions, like texture streaming or bump mapping for example, they won't just apply them on PS3 games but to 360 games as well.

[Armyless]

given your proclivity for posting negative comments on PS3 threads.

And you're right about games improving on all hardware. I don't think anyone was really doubting that. This article is just talking about PS3 hardware programming, and it's very exotic hardware so we're in uncharted waters (another one) with the learning curve on this machine.

Many people are hopeful that we will see a bold new horizon with monumental breakthroughs in gaming technology this gen. Whether people hope this comes from the PS3 should be irrelevant to 360 gamers as the source article/developer for this "news" never made a comparison to any console but the one they develop exclusively for.

I, for one, hope we do crack the code with the PS3. It's a fun time to watch and learn. It's a fun time to be a gamer.

[Rattles]

so wat the hell are you doing in here.

i guess you will be happy with your year old gears pushing your box to the limits then??

[Spydiggity]

actually i dont really like gears. and i think the unreal 3 engine is pretty lame.

[karlostomy]

Reality check....!

If resistance 1 uses only 10-20% of the PS3 power then I would deduce that games coming out on PS3 will be *8-9 times better* this year?

Whaaaaaat?
get REAL people.
Stop smoking the ps3 crack pipe.
It's just laughable! There is just too much real world evidence to the contrary.

All I hear is wait wait hope and pray. (damn those lazy, stupid devlopers...)

I have been waiting for PS3 magic since 2005.
It is all just very disappointing to hear this sales-talk continue.

[nix]

let me guess, you brain RRODed on you and MS sent you a replacement.

if you wanna beat the PS3, beat it but at least update your comments for christ sake.

[AngryHippo]

....but PS3 games will keep looking better and better throughout its gaming life, and theres a seriously long way to go. Either way 360 graphics from Gears in my opinion have not improved. I still play gears and think wow thats great looking, but way too many developers are using the Unreal engine which makes all games look very similar. More devs should make their own engines to run their games theirfore not being limited by Epics engine. I feel that both consoles have reached the maximum potential of the Unreal engine and a new version needs to be released, in order to keep games moving forwards. The fact that resistance doesnt use the Unreal engine is such a massive bonus, as resistance 2 is looking fantastic, and the hardware is being pushed that little bit further in the right direction. Can't wait.

[The_Engineer]

sipping from that Karlostomy bag they are wearing.

[Bullseye]

Oh, i see now.So,when they get to 100% spu utilisation,that means they won't be able to run crap game code ,does it? C'mon, lets stick to stuff you actually understand. The GAMES.

[miasma]

It's not how much you use, but how you use it! ;)

[THC CELL]

some of u people forget D D F used upto 25% of ps3 power
u see ps3 is very powerful indeed

i like the fact i no GTA will run great on the ps3 and well sadly not on the x box

Fact Gta on ps3 is Free roam and X box well you will be spending a lot of time down the red light district

Sorry for been a bit off topic

But lets see how much power gets put into resistance 2 i bet now not more than Half life 2 did on 360 at 90% cough cough

[Iron Man 2]

No surprise here even though Resistance was a beast,I can't wait to find out how much % Resistance 2 uses;)

[kenjix]

That system already blew it's load and it's got nothing pushing the envelope to keep me interested.

[Shroomy]

Perfect Dark Zero was a launch title with 32 Player online, and I tell you now there was little lag in huge infection games. But certain factors affect your experience, net connection people you are playing with etc.

The Time I played Resistance online it was laggy, but according to most of you there is very little so I'll take your word for it because I'm sure dedicated servers would run with little lag.

Remember, quality > quantity. Something I'm told in school a lot. Gears with 32 people would just be retarded unless it was split up into different zones. It does fine the way it is.

Wonder how much % R2 uses, looks great in screenshots.

[Legion]

Let me take a guess... Another post about the POTENTIAL of the PS3? hahah... Will the future NEVER come? Will tomorrow never be today??? Will we always be talking about what could be, "if only..."?

Someone PLEASE make a good game NOW for the PS3 so that I can stop hearing this endless drone of what you can do with this great system. And what will be coming in the future!!!! Aaaarrrgghhhhh... the endless banter!!!!

[lesferdinand]

"Someone PLEASE make a good game NOW for the PS3"

That's exactly what Insomniac is doing... They're currently (as in now) working on a good (possibly great) game for the PS3.

I agree to a certain extent that it's not all about potential. Before you commit the cash to buy a console, there should be enough to play now. For millions there is, for billions there isn't yet. However, unless you have a plenty of money, there's no such thing as buying a console just for a single game. Nor should you buy a console just for what is available today, unless you will have no problem with not touching the machine anymore after you've played all the current titles that you like. I think few people don't look at a console as an investment. You lay down a significant amount of cash to be entertained for the next couple of years and not just for now (e.g. an owner of a 360 is more than likely to be anoyed (and rightly so) if he gets an RROD even when he's already finished Halo, Gears, Bioshock and Forza 2).

[Stubacca]

Are you trying to suggest that gamers do not look forward to new releases?

Or that there "still aint enough games on the PS3". Rubbish. I have plenty of phenomenal games (23) and there's even more out there I wanna get. You claim to hate this banter but then you perpetrate it.

The whole point of this thread is that Resistance used a fraction of the SPUs.

Resistance was a great game. It looked great, both in terms of style and graphics. It's single-player lacked the character intensity I wanted but as a FPS multiplayer there is none better.

The weapons are BALANCED. They are UNIQUE. The games pace is FAST. I'm sorry, I don't mean to X-bash, but these elements were all missing or lacking from Halo 3. And no x-bots said s**t.

[pp]

wow i can't believe resistance only used 10 - 20% of SPUs actually i can the graphics are last gen

[Not the Face]

you are all so interested in this crap article but smash bros comes out in 2 days here in japan and it uses 96.542% of the Wiis power so all of get back in your crawlspace!

[Stubacca]

I'm not 12 Years Old so Super Smash Bros doesn't appeal to me. Ofcourse it uses the nearly all of the Wii's limited processing power you tw@t!

I'd rather play an intelligent game with Solid Snake as the main character. The Wii can suck my balls.

You missed the point. Have you ever even played Resistance?

[Armyless]

Thanks for the laugh Stu.

:)

[HardcoreGamer]

maybe it was using about 30 percent of the ps3,

but then again being a launch title and not one game in history has used near 30 % of a systems power at launch this is 100% beleiveable

that resistance used a max of 20 %,,, but then again the company insomniac dont get now sleep so its probably is 30%

[sonyfanonly]

BUT STILL IT WAS BETTER THAN ANY THING ON THE 360 AND IT WAS A LAUNCH GAME JUST WAIT TIL RESISTANCE 2 - THAT MIGHT HAVE TAPPED 50 PERCENT OF THE PS3 HARDWARE GIVE UP XBOTS AND STOP DISSING THE PS3 AND ITS GAMES

[Jdoki]

Just to play devils advocate here and address some of the comments...

10-20% of SPU's has nothing to do with only using 10-20% of the PS3's power. The PPE could have been maxed at 100% for the whole game. What does that mean in terms of Resistance 2 or the perceived quality of Res 1? Nothing.

We have no point of reference as to what 10-20% means in real terms, or what is the theoretical maximum. Is it even possible to utilise 100% of the SPE power? Is the figure in reference to 8 SPE's on a 'full Cell' or the 6 that devs have free to use? How does bandwidth, overheads and the PPU factor in to this? We just don't know.

Resistance was an average game at best. But for launch title it was extremely impressive. As such, and as we've seen on every console ever released... Games look better as devs get more experience. The jump in quality between Resistance and Ratchet was massive, so Insominac are obviously getting to grips with the PS3 extremnely well.

Resistance was an OK game at best - so I would expect Resistance 2 to improve in every area. I thought that the AI was really quite poor; and up close the graphics were not that technically accomplished... People should not confuse good art direction with technically impressive graphics.

20vs20 multiplayer means nothing. If you loved it, good for you. But I'd take Halo 3 and especially CoD4 over Res any day.

Didn't Epic say they had maxed out the 360 with Gears? And yet one thing is for certain... More impressive games will appear. Just because one dev says 10-20% means nothing when there's hundreds of ways to solve a problem and code a game. I'm sure SCE thought they'd got 100% out of the PS2 with God of War... and yet God of War 2 looks better.

[Stubacca]

So is Resistance an "Average" game at best. Or Is it "OK" at best. Or if it's best is on launch, does that not make it "extremely impressive" at best?

Resistance's AI during the campaign was poor. But playing split-screen or online is a truly great experience. Playing with complete strangers online doesn't appeal to me that much, but in a 20 vs. 20 battle it means you're playing an all-out war!

I agree with many of your points dude, but although COD4 looks better and Halo 3 has vehicles, the genius in Insomniac's game is the brilliant design of the weapons. The weapons keep me playing it a year on after tiring of COD4, Halo 3, Orange Box, Darkness, Gears, Unreal Tournament 3 etc. in the same time period.

All still good games, but Resistance is just so much fun to play. Can't wait for 2.

[Jdoki]

:) I'd consider Average and OK the same thing - but my overuse of 'at best' was poor!! For a launch title it exceeded normal expectations by a long way. Compared to PDZ or Kameo on 360 it blew the doors off them!

I'm glad you like the multiplayer and split-screen, it's just personal preference that I didn't like it. What I was trying to point out is that bigger numbers don't instantly mean better or more fun which many Sony faboys seem to use as ammo (ironically a total about face compared to the 'graphics don't matter we've got the games cry during the PS2 / XBox 1 wars!)

Insomniac are definitely one of the most consitent and talented developers on any platform. It's criminal that so many people ignore Ratchet and Clank to the point where I heard one person slag it off for being a 'kiddie game'.

Tire of CoD4??? How could you!!! :)

[RAM MAGNUMS]

at the end of the year reziztance will be a memory. Gears will over zhadow this lame game with šhame. Owned!

Ram magnum has špoken...

[JCDenton]

PS3's CELL is more powerful than Xenon, but I think that what really make a difference are developers, not hardware. If those devs who made GT5 (Prologue) was developing that game on X360, I believe they would achieve same results in terms of graphics. Same goes for Resistance and Uncharted. Those devs are simply better than others.

For example: Remember PS2 vs Dreamcast days? Remember how good Shenmue had looked and played, better then most PS2 games, and Dreamcast's hardware was nowhere near PS2's (ok, not "nowhere near", but weaker at best).

Forza 1 on Xbox 1 is also an example of great developers - excellent graphics and physics (comparable even with todays racers), all that at 60fps, and that was Pentium 3 @ 733Mhz with GeForce 3 (or 3,5 at best).

That's why majority of people who actually know something about hardware and programming say that PS3 and Xbox 360 are almost equal in terms of power, with PS3 having a slight edge in terms of CPU power...

[Says you]

XBox 360 has been using way to much of Unreal engine 3 but did any body listen No! they just ignore it and they say Gears of Lame is next Gen graphics I don't think so its only next Gen of Unreal Engine not the next gen graphics for the XLimit 360 and what was the percentages for the XLimit 360 when it first came out and has any body seen the real graphics of that ?system? besides Saints Row and Halo 3.

and has anyone notice that the PS3 hasn't use the Unreal engine 3 that much while the other has? way to much.

[Mercutio]

Good for us gamers (ps3owners)

[Mercutio]

Good for us gamers (ps3owners)

[NeutralGam3r]

What does this prove?

[KozmoOchez]

how much spu is used or watever, most ps3 owners dont even know what that means, all they care is that there are good games and thats all i really care about

[jay2]

That's good stuff, I hope R2 uses 50%+ then to really blow us away.

[Topbravo]

In the GAMERZ ZONE!!!!

[sloth4urluv]

Good to hear devs are getting used to working with the cell.
Never was really a big fan of its architecture, but glad to see that it can be used.

[Figboy]

it's not trying to "prove" anything.

why does everything have to turn into a ridiculous fanboy flamewar?

personally, i found the story interesting.

the documents that Insomniac are releasing are so that more developers start to program the Playstation 3 *PROPERLY.

too many developers (even Epic, despite how good UT3 is) have been approaching PS3 development like they do PC development.

this approach is not the *PROPER way to program the machine.

look at it this way:

imagine that you are a world class water-color painter, but you are asked to paint something in *OILS.

doesn't matter how good you are at water-colors, because you don't have the skills to paint in oil. sure, you could *LEARN to paint in oil, but that's going to take time. (sorry, i'm an artist, so this is the best analogy i can come up with at the time)

the Playstation 3 is going about a totally different approach to game programming and coding than the PC and 360.

Insomniac is simply sharing it's knowledge in the hope that more developers get the hang of it.

how old are some of you guys?

if you've been a gamer for *ANY long stretch of time, you'd understand that at the start of a consoles lifecycle, developers are generally using about 10%-20% of a consoles capabilities. this isn't due to any lack of skill on the developer's part, but due to a lack of understanding of a complicated technology.

i won't bother to post the same links i always do, but look at Dark Cloud on the PS2. it was a launch title, developed by Level 5. then look at Dark Cloud 2. it was developed by Level 5, 3 years later, and it looks *LOADS better than Dark Cloud. *THEN look at Rogue Galaxy, released in 2007, 4 years after Dark Cloud 2. also developed by Level 5, and it looks incredible, and, naturally, better than DC1 and DC2. this is due to the fact that Level 5 finally got around the PS2's difficult architecture.

Resistance was a great game, and a great launch title. people hated on the game because it didn't look like Gears of War, and everybody was riding that Sony/Playstation 3 hate train, and reviews throughout the *ENTIRE first year of the PS3 reflect this (*EVERY SINGLE Playstation 3 review just *HAD to have some mention of Gears of War, or some comment about how expensive the PS3 was, no matter the quality of the game). Resistance had a superior story, superior online (hard to argue against 40 player matches with *NO lag. and yes, Resistance has voice chat and in game messaging/invites. it even has "Achievements" in the form of medals you get for doing certain things in the single player *AND the multi-player), and excellent gameplay. the AI in Resistance was also extremely well done.

personally, i think the game *DOES look great on an HDTV, and much better than it did on my old SDTV i played it on before i upgraded.

anyway, it doesn't surprise me that Resistance only used a fraction of the PS3's SPUs. *ALL GAMES DO right now while the developers figure it out, and one look at Insomniac's *SECOND PS3 game, Ratchet and Clank Future shows that they learned quite a bit between the two games, and looking at Resistance 2 shows that they've improved even *MORE.

this is normal, for *ALL consoles (well, i don't really think the Wii will be wowing us with it's year two games, actually). i'm sure the 360 has more to prove also, but i think people keep forgetting that the PS3 *IS NOT 2 year old. it hasn't been out as long as the 360, it's using a different and more complicated architecture, so it's going to take longer to ring the most out of the machine than it will the 360.

and if some of the fanboys would take off their hater goggles for a second, they'd see that a lot of PS3 *YEAR ONE titles, were quite on par with the 360's *SECOND YEAR titles:

graphical showpieces for the 360 in it's first two years:
Gears of War
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Viva Pinata?

graphical showpieces for the PSe in it's first year:
Motorstorm
Lair (say what you will about the game, the graphics were *GREAT)
Heavenly Sword (i challenge you to find *ANY game on *ANY non-Sony console that has the *HUGE draw-distances and vistas, and facial animation that this game has)
Ratchet and Clank Future
Folklore (that game has *FANTASTIC art design and visuals, to name only one of it's merits)
Warhawk (beautiful game. fun too)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (the best-looking game on the PS3, tied only with Ratchet and UT3)
Unreal Tournament 3 (it's a more colorful version of Gears of War, and Epic managed to squeeze that out by utilizing the 256MB/256MB split of RAM on the PS3; they weren't even programming the SPU's the way they are supposed to be!)

in it's first year, the PS3 already produced games that visually matched the 360, and with quite a few games, even the gameplay surpassed what the 360 was doing (40 player lagless on line in Resistance, 32 player lagless on line with Warhawk, *THOUSANDS of enemies onscreen with their own AI in Heavenly Sword).

now, i own a 360, and i enjoy it (me and my fiance are currently playing through Mass Effect. i didn't think she'd like it, but she played it for about 4 hours yesterday, though she made me do those button press Decryptor parts), but i think the PS3 had a better batch of first year titles than the 360 did, based off of my *OWN PERSONAL TASTES in games (i like action adventure games and rpgs, and honestly, the only real worthwhile games on the 360 are the shooters; Gears, Bioshock, Mass Effect).

[angel604]

so i guess trying to have a conversation with lunatic idiotic fanboys is where the fun is right..

[angel604]

sorry for the double post.

back on topic i cant wait for r2 its gonna be eye melting

[Scions Wrath]

And i agree with your comments. Resistance 2 is going to be one hell of a confrontation both on and offline.

[Mattearl]

So that means they can only go up from here..... bring on Resistance 2!!! I can only imagine the content thats going to be on screen!

[JCDenton]

Thank god for GAMER ZONE. We (gamers) won't have to listen to those idiotic fanboys and "flamewarriors"...

[HarryEtTubMan]

the PS3 is technical and diferent and thats cool.... we will see... I can't even imagine 100%

[HarryEtTubMan]

the PS3 is technical and diferent and thats cool.... we will see... I can't even imagine 100%

[SpikeSpiegel]

I say around 40% tops.

[cmrbe]

I am thinking that as well. 15% for R1. 30% for RC and 40% max for R2. Now imaging when GoW3 and ICO3 will be out.

[lil bush]

cant wait, thank god for gamerzone where true gamers come for info

[Siesser]

I'm glad that things will continue progressing. Part of the fun of owning a console is looking back at the early days and being wowed by how far things have come. I remember when PS2 first launched and I was looking at SSX and Oni as amazing-looking/playing titles. How they pale in comparison later.

It's nice to see most developers saying "Ok, we're done crawling; time to start walking." That still leaves running and jogging down the line. I'm just psyched about increasing the already decent AI, and seeing what this 8player co-op plays like.

[Rice]

wow thats really impressive and the game look pretty dam good for a launch title... I'm starting to think that the gap between the graphics of the ps3 and the 360 would widen by a hell alot, making 360 games look like wii games.

[DiGiTaL Ki11eR]

COME ON, you keep saying ohh 40-players maps... huge multiplayer maps... when has resistance ever had a full 40 players. the game blowed.

[DiGiTaL Ki11eR]

COME ON, you keep saying ohh 40-players maps... huge multiplayer maps... when has resistance ever had a full 40 players. the game blowed.

[DiGiTaL Ki11eR]

COME ON, you keep saying ohh 40-players maps... huge multiplayer maps... when has resistance ever had a full 40 players. the game blowed.

[DiGiTaL Ki11eR]

COME ON, you keep saying ohh 40-players maps... huge multiplayer maps... when has resistance ever had a full 40 players. the game blowed.

muhahah 5 posts

[DiGiTaL Ki11eR]

COME ON, you keep saying ohh 40-players maps... huge multiplayer maps... when has resistance ever had a full 40 players. the game blowed.

[Monty_The_Great]

In Game Informer, and R2 looks much better than R1 in all aspects of the game. If R1 used say 15% then I can say that R2 is going to use atleast 35% because it easily looks twice as good, just all the small detail from the shadows that cast on other shadows look much more detailed. The individual charectures look amazingly better, not that they don't look good in R1, but if R2 looks as good as the pics, then it will be truely stunning.

[Jesso2k]

although i do enjoy arguing with radical ps3 fanboys for fun this is peaceful

[Daishi]

agreed 100%, just look at everyones agree/disagree and you can tell the difference! When you think about it 15% isn't bad for a launch, looking back at launch PS2 games they were using about 5% when you compare to the last line of games. Just remember that even if R2 uses 40% it wont all go to graphics, most of that will likely be put into AI and physics. And lets not forget about that 8player co-op and 6o player MP!

[Domer25]

seems some people just like censoring in here. Ps3 needs to prove many people wrong, that will censor the doubters itself.

[Daishi]

You do realize that an xbox 360 launch title had 32 players in multiplayer right? Wasn't the best game but hey I still had Call of Duty 2 and Quake 4.

[puki]

/cheer Not a single fanboy post, But on the other hand who doesn't love drama?:)