Xbox One Reverses DRM! Angry Rant Pt.3

Angry Joe Reacts to the surprising news that Xbox One has Reversed its DRM Policies

[dedicatedtogamers]

Love your videos, Angry Joe!

Glad he doesn't give Microsoft or the apologists a free pass.

[xHeavYx]

Can't wait to see his PS4 exclusive reviews.
By the way, Question, when he interviewed Major Nelson and he was explaining the family sharing, he used the word "check" many times, like he can call someone on his family list and "check" the game, is there any confirmation that your family members can play the whole game?

[Lovable]

Forget about the family sharing thing since it's already been scrapped!

[AhmadCentral]

It's been confirmed that the family sharing was more like a glorified demo. Basically you buy the game at $60. Get home and install it. Add the game to your library.

Any one of your 10 friends can check it out by going to you library and downloading it. However, here is the catch MS never told anyone, you can only play the game for 60 minutes. After that time you get redirected to the Xbox marketplace to download the full version at RRP.

So MS even misled us on their family share system. People were saying they would have wanted this but i don't see why. This is just a solution to the problem they caused. On PS3 and 360 this is called rentals or loaning your game.

I'm glad the DRM is gone, back to free demos, renting and loaning as it should be.

This is a win for gamers.

Edit: for those who disagree all the evidence is at neogaf and confirmed by CBOAT.

[GenericNameHere]

I know he said he's not buying PS3, but he should definitely play The Last of Us. He's from Texas, and Joel is from Texas. Not that big of a deal, but I think he would kinda like it.

[Bzone24]

Lol. If it was just a glorified demo ahmad, why was it dropped with the drm changes? It was dropped because that was the way for you to share games because of the drm. It was basically a trade off for you not being able to loan the physical disc. It was one of the better features. It's sad that you believe every negative rumor that you ever hear about the xbox and you can't really think for yourself.

[AhmadCentral]

I don't know why it was dropped Bzone24. I'm just reporting the facts. Please don't insult me and say i can't think for myself.

Do you really think publishers would have let microsoft get away with people sharing their games with 10 other people? You can't do that on the Xbox 360 or PS3. Hardly a trade off when it's a system you can exploit wide open. There was always bound to be some kind of catch and we finally have evidence that the family sharing was limited to just 60 minutes.

Makes sense really. Like i said no way publishers would agree. Especially when they made Sony drop their game sharing policy from five consoles to two.

[Bzone24]

I was only saying you can't think for yourself because you take a rumor on the internet as fact without any proof. You aren't reporting the facts, you are reporting the rumors under the lie of it being fact. There is no real 60 minute proof. Just a lot of anonymous postings. That's not really proof.

It's a moot point anyways. Family sharing is gone.

[SilentNegotiator]

Major Nelson was a major windbag in that interview and was very belligerent towards the hard questions.

[Dir_en_grey]

So all Xbone was trying to do is just to do what PS3 and PS+ is already doing, just re-marketing the same idea.

360 only users never even knew these services already exist on PS3 and thought it was amazing, but now MS can't even deliver.

Oh well sad for people who only fall for marketing ploy and have no clue what's going on outside of the well they live in.

[Death]

Man, that is awseome! I had no idea I could rip all my games to my PS3 HDD and share them with 2 people. Oh, wait. I can't. Thanks for showing me things from outside my walls genius.

[indysurfn]

Am I the only person that caught this?
Okay at the start of this Microsoft fooled people by using terms. Like LEND(should have been check out/check in) lending. Now they are being successful by using the term:
"offline game". Did you catch that, if you install a "OFFLINE game" then you will not have restrictions, that is the condition.

What defines a "OFFLINE game" What if only one game has the label of offline game on it? Most likey candidate would be a turned based rpg.
Heck what percent of games don't have a component of online on 360 games right now? Microsoft almost required it with few exceptions.
If there is a term "OFFLINE game" as a condition. for you to not have to get online.

Then that is a out, for Microsoft to change nothing! Don't trust a company that keeeeeeeeeps making pot shots at your rights. And keeps adding names like "OFFLINE xbox one games", to fool you, otherwise they Fooled you twice! Are you going to let that happen?

Microsoft qoute:An internet connection will not be required to play OFFLINE Xbox One games....If they where not trying to fool you it would

read:An internet connection will not be required to play (any) Xbox One games. see the difference? I don't care if it drops to 199 It is still

taking away my used games rights!!! plus as I pointed out the DRM issue is conniving explained to fool us? This is what Microsoft meant by

they will make this CLEAR. (MORE TRICKY)
This could just be a feature on the back of the box. so if they dont make a offline box like they have a 'online multi player' capable box on the back of the disc it is okay to still drm you to there hearts are content!!!

[Digital-Devil]

Here is part of a post from an Xbox 1 employee:
"When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour"

Read the full post here:
http://www.heyuguysgaming.c...

[Wh15ky]

@bzone24

Gutted about the family share feature being dropped. Myself and my 9 gaming buddies had already decided on the one game each of us was buying at launch so we had 10 different games each for the price of one.

That was sarcasm btw.

It amazes me that some people take marketing speak at face value without applying some common sense.

[mewhy32]

this guy wasn't afraid to put nelson on the spot!!!!! ROAR!!!! PS4 all the way.

[mewhy32]

Micro$oft listened to Gamestop NOT the forums. The pre orders were 4 to 1 in favor of PS4. They had to do something and they did. It was all about them losing their butts on their investment.

[NeXXXuS]

I want to touch his magnificent beard.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Only if you let him touch yours.

[LackTrue4K]

lol....they took away...."Shamily share?!?!"

hahaha..ahahah.a.a.a..a.....

[CoolBeansRus]

Yes. Yes they did. Why is that so funny? Does the PS4 have it?

People need to grow up around here.

[NextGen24Gamer]

One thing about this guy that I can respect is that he is completely honest and is clearly not a fan boy! I hope he is right about Microsoft giving us family sharing still! That would make me so happy!

Let some of us decide to do digital & family share!

[iceman06]

Actually, he's a HUGE self-admitted fanboy of MS. However, he is also not blind about how detrimental the policies were. I just love how excited he gets AND how honest he is. Gotta love his Major Nelson interview because he was pushing the limit with his questions. He was even worried about the PR lady because it looked like she was in trouble after that interview.

[Aceman18]

everything he said is right on the money. i especially loved when he told off those people who are crying about something we didn't take away which microsoft did.

[Delive]

He keeps referring to the family share plan. Must not have heard it was for a demo purpose to get your family to buy the game too.

[FamilyGuy]

lmao @ the major nelson part

[KillrateOmega]

LOL

This guy is f*cking awesome XD

[Gazondaily]

Haha yeah he is entertaining to watch.

[wenaldy]

I LOL'd at this one XD

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[KillrateOmega]

LOL :D

[TheGrimReaper0011]

I always knew don matrick wanted the drm the most =p

[SpinalRemains138]

Watch his walking dead survival instinct review.

I nearly pissed myself laughing the first time I watched it.

Yeah Angry Joe is a class act when it comes to gaming.

He loves Xbox and he was personally hurt by the DRM crap. He was not like the usual suspects here who would give their first born to MS to play Halo for an hour.

He says it straight and he says it with humor and he says it for all of us.

[KUV1977]

That guy is so annoying. Please explain how family sharing with digital titles would work without online verfication.

[abc1233]

It's verified at the point of download. How exactly can it NOT work?

[Mystogan]

Yes but what if I install the game and never go back online? Do I keep the game and the owner loses his game?

Or do we both keep the game resulting in a free game for me.

[KUV1977]

Family Sharing meant that 10 people could share the game but only one person at a time could play it. On the owners console every 24h would be checked if someone else is playing at the same time and the system would react accordingly. At the Friends/Familys console the check would even happen every hour. So suppose I buy a game and 9 other people download it and go offline. Now 10 people could play the same game at the same time while only one person payed for it. That's certainly gonna have publishers scream in delight.

Also, he later on says that it would be a feature SONY wouldn't have. Well guess what: SONY had a similar feature for years for digital content for up to five persons without 24h-check. However it was abused without end and so some games created a 24h lock and later on the system was even cut down to a 2-person-sharing plan.

Without online-check the sales would be terribly low, because everyone would cheat. I would however be grateful if you could give me a version that would work without online-check - not just for gamers but also for developers and publishers. That is what Major Nelson ment in the interview with 'it's not gonna be this easy'...

[abc1233]

How about making family sharing into an online only feature? As in the game isn't installed to the system's hard drive but is streamed over the cloud, similar to Gakai. Allows for the necessary verification without imposing a universal 1/24 hour online check which can lock the system's offline component.

Besides, I don't see how family sharing was realistic in its original form. Surely if we're talking about single player games, one person can buy the game, finish it, then allow each of the 9 others to play it in turns, effectively meaning that 9 people got the game for free. It was most likely a glorified demo sharing feature anyway.

[KUV1977]

First of all that would put an enourmous strain on their infrastructure. I don't think they have the tech to stream complete games to millions of customers.

Also even while the family member would stream the game the owner would have to be online to verify that noone else was plaining.

If they really just had demos then the whole family-sharing-plan would have to be a giant lie to begin with. I think that would have been even worse for MS than their DRM-pr.

[SilentGuard]

@mystogan. It doesn't matter if you ever go back online because your ten friends would have to go online to play the game from your library. So you could play it offline while one of your friends could play while online.

[abc1233]

If Sony can stream a catalogue of PS3 titles to millions of its customers then I'm sure MS with its endless pockets can do it too. As for the second point, only way around that would be to allow for the owner to play whilst a family member is playing, but not extending this to those who don't own the game (aside from if its the owner playing offline obv). If it was a giant lie to begin with then that could be the actual reason for removing it - pretend that this was the fault of the gamers not wanting DRM rather than them feeding us BS.

[NihonjinChick]

You have to be Online to share the game, right? So why not have the console do a one verification check before the game is launched?

Easy.

I also read that the sharing was just timed trials. So a friend couldn't play it for too long.

[KUV1977]

Yes but after sharing you could go offline now and 10 people could play it at the same time while only paying once... which is not as it was intended. Also they clearly said it was the full library not just trials.

If it really was just demos that would have been a stupid feature to begin with. One-Hour-Trials is something the PSN also has had for some time - granted not for all titles - but that would certainly not have been worth protecting and the Online-Checks for demos would have been damn stupid.

[Death]

The one hour clock was for accessing your library remotely. If you went offline with a shared game, you would need to go online after a set time period for verification. The proposed plan had no other restriction other than only one person could play at a time. The original purchaser only needed the 24 hour check if they remained "connected". All thedetails were not hammered out,but the shared game needed to be connected or the timer would lock out the game.

None of this is relevant since the people afraid of this new technology set gaming back another generation for the rest of us. I am sure when Sony comes up with the same idea in the future they will be credited with inventing it and it will be ok. Kind of like the morons who are saying Sony does this already and Microsoft is copying them. Stupid can only be so funny before it's aggrevating.

[Jayjayff]

Yeah, especially during interviews. He makes them awfully uncomfortable.

[NihonjinChick]

Yes, they said you had access to your family members full library. But they never said you had full access to the content inside the games. Think about it. They had to limit the game some way. Or else that system would have been a bigger loss of money to publisher and developers than the used games they were trying to get rid of.

If they didn't limit it, publishers would have seen sales drop because everybody would have bought 1 game for 10 people.

[Aceman18]

exactly that was my line of thinking. they have to limit this or this would be bad for devs/publishers

[KUV1977]

I actually agree on this to some degree. SONY tried it with 5 people but couldn't hold it up because people where abusing the system. Maybe the idea was that people would try more games, be annoyed that they couldn't play it when the original owner played it and then buy it because they liked it.

Some sort of limitation would make sense but not telling people about that would be a terribly heavy lie. However it may explain why it took them so long to mention it at all.

So the only 'advantage' of always-online/DRM would have been disc-less play of all titles and the hope of lower prices in the future (aka steam-analogy) but that would really have been very week for the imposed restrictions.

[Death]

The online component is what would have brought in sales. It's no different from sharing today. If I loan a disc to a friend to play and he likes it, we both need a copy to play together. When he goes to get it or even download it from Marketplace, used copies will be less of an issue meaning publishers and developers will see more revenue.

[SpinalRemains138]

You download the game, then play it whenever you want. Online or off. Just like PS3

[abc1233]

Legend.

[ltachiUchiha]

Hes definitely a real gamer & I just want to point out to those who were just going to let microsoft ram them, the things that angry joe said is basically what we were fighting for. He doesnt even own a ps3 so this is a gamer u guys should listen to because were all in this together. Its not just about 1 console. Everything microsoft was trying to do would have affected the whole gaming industry & like angry joe, im proud of all the ppl who fought for gamers rights. Great video angry joe & game on everyone.

[Death]

Gamers "rights" don't exist. There is currently no way to enforce the User Agreement on a physical copy. Gamer "rights" are enforced with digital downloads.

The so called "rights" we think we have are killing the gaming industry. Developers have been fighting piracy and used sales for quite some time. When it gets to the point developers can't afford to stay open, at least we will have our "rights" still and sit proudly while we stare at our worthless consoles.

Think about it, the biggest loser in all of this is the developers and publishers. Gamers lost out on some great features and Gamestop still gets to rape stupid people who pay $40+ dollars to rent a game for a week.

The irony here is the amount of "gamers" that use mp3's as their format of choice for music since it is better than lugging around CD's where ever we go. Everyone is ok with the current setup since you can steal music from all your friends with an easy one time rip of their CD's or sharing of mp3's without restriction. We would have had the same convenience, but the big bad DRM would have kept us honest.

It's sickening to see so many be proud of holding back something they were too blinded by ignorance to even see without taking in to consideration what others wanted. On top of this, how many of you "proud" so called gamers went and pre-ordered an Xbox One now? Still not buying it, never planned to get it, but proud you changed it for the rest of us.

Thanks.

[Why o why]

You care way too much for their bottom lines over your fellow gamers rights death. That's obvious now. If you feel that way you can simply buy DD only and stop whining about those who were actually pissed, including many of the pro360 crowd. I want to own what I buy. Comparing it to music is just deflecting from the point and bigger picture. I still have gamecube games, amiga games, ps 1 games. No server shutdown can kill them.

If dd was substantially cheaper, more would flock to it. The problem here was you were basically buying physical media but it was licensed like dd. Sorry you care more for mismanaged and unlucky developers. It happens in all industries but I'm not diving into youror Microsoft's drm future mate. The people have spoken...move on

[TheFallenAngel]

Hes cool but hes a huge xbox fanboy. I think sony had more to do with MS reversing DRM but gamers had their voice heard too.

[HammadTheBeast]

He's even admitted it lol.

[Imalwaysright]

Sony gave us the option to choose between freedom or DRM. We chose their product over MS product and that was the deciding factor. It was a "joint venture" between Sony and consumers that forced MS to bendover which ironically it was exactly what they wanted us to do!

[Why o why]

Definitely a collaboration. Ms were getting hit from every angle. I'm so glad aj reiterated what I believe to be the fact which is ms are the ones who are to blame for the removal of the less than clear family share feature, not those who didn't want to get bent over.

The irony is I didn't see many people from the other camp praising ps+'s worth when its REAL game sharing limit was at 5 separate consoles. Its version also had no time limit or player count restrictions......strange, but not surprising

Well done joe.... well done to all who stood up to the bs.

[AnteCash]

He says hes passionate about games yet he never owned a sony console .

[iceman06]

True...but he was smart enough to see through the BS that MS was trying. That makes him, in my mind, at least not a blind fanboy. Plus, from what I have seen, he IS fair when reviewing games...no bloated scores just because it is on the 360.

[TheGrimReaper0011]

I really think it was about pre orders
They knew they'd lose alot of money
They wouldn't care about the consumer, they showed that plenty of times!
And yea, money is important to a company, but whats in it for us?

[Garbanjo001]

I completely agree. I like when he talks about "choice," in the video. Priceless.

[BattleTorn]

Yeah! Very good analogy. He's right - Microsoft needs to *keep* listening to feedback!

[Skynetone]

100% agree with angry joe

and for those 360 gamers how did the same

360 gamers deserve an apology from bill gates him self, the right to remove the spy cam, family share, free games with there subscription, and halo 5 free for this train wreck

[JOLLY1]

You know Bill Gates doesn't work there anymore right? He is spending Billions a year trying to help get rid of diseases throughout the world. Yeah, he should take time out to do what a few nerds want.

[HammadTheBeast]

Not really billions.... he's spending pocket change compared to what he makes, I'm pretty sure he could provide for a whole small country with half his money, and start it up.

But still, he's a good guy.

[aviator189]

@hammad

actually, gates does spend billions on cleansing the world of disease.

he's barely leaving any cash for his kids as he plans to have a large chunk of his money spent on disease after his death over a long period of time.

[Bzone24]

Yes really billions. He's donated $28 billion as of last month to his namesake foundation which does what Jolly1 said and a whole lot more.

[BattleTorn]

Whether it's billions or millions (one of the two) -- regardless, he's donated more money that we ever will in our lifetime.

[JOLLY1]

Yes really.....Billions. Not as much as a few people have written on this post. Last year he was over 2 billion.

[WalterWJR]

Do you want to be part of the future? Do you want to be a part of the future?

HAHA this guy is a genius.

[NYC_Gamer]

AJ always voices his views with no ass kissing

[TheFallenAngel]

Looks to me like he is ass kissing Major Nelson, after he was kinda like a dick to him. By the way he talks about hes a good guy and stuff.

[WalterWJR]

If anything he was mocking major nelson, Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

[_FantasmA_]

One does not simply treat M$ employees with respect cause ain't got nobody time for that.

[BattleTorn]

He's trying to be professional towards Major Nelson.

Regardless of his opinions of him, he does have to be respectful for giving him interviews. Otherwise he runs the risk of burning bridges with PR.

[iceman06]

He's in the "media" and he can't afford to burn bridges...no matter how much of a dick Major seemed to be.

[twebb1720]

Ppl on forums, sending emails, websites, etc., didn't make a difference at all. It wasn't until the pre-order numbers started coming in that forced MS hand. We won, we did it, yes we did, but it wasn't for the simple reason that we complained. If people complained and still preordered it then this wouldn't have happened, it'd be naive to think otherwise. I know people's opinion and their wallets go hand in hand but change didn't come because people went to forums it was because they didn't go to the store.

[MassOnesumis]

I feel that the reality is the pre-order numbers but it is nice to feel like your apart of something big.

I also think that if the pre-order difference was the same but without the mass disdain the same pr ("We've listened)response would have been handed out.

[DARK WITNESS]

of course it made a difference.... why did so many people preorder the ps4 in the first place.... because they heard about all the bullshit ms was trying to pull off. How did they find out about all this... they either read it on a forum or a website or they heard it from someone who heard about it through a forum/website etc.

basically all the shouting was translated into those preorders so either way you cut it all the shouting did lead to all this.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Good video!

[mahmoods26]

ps3 still has something similar to the family plan. Except you dont need to be in a family or be friends for 60 days to use it. If you're a PS plus member you'll notice that you have the option of full game trials. This is the same thing, you download the full game and you can play it for an hour before deciding if you want to buy it or not. The problem is downloading the game takes upto 5-10 hours. Just playing for an hour seemed like too much trouble. With the PS4s instantaneous play system this problem is solved.

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Angry Joe certainly wears his heart on his sleeve and that's a good thing - his passion shines through.

Though if you crossed Al Pacino and Nicholas Cage together then the product would be Angry Joe - check his mannerisms and talking style. Two stars rolled into one!

[Fasttrack76]

1st time I've watched him,awesome funny guy

[MasterCornholio]

Its great that Microsoft got rid of their DRM policy but its also a shame that they tried implementing it in the first place.

BTW i love his reviews since they are extremely informative and fun to watch.

[_FantasmA_]

Best part #1: M$ is bitter and took away game sharing because gamers just wouldn't let them get away with greed pillaging helpless Amuricans

Best part #2: "I just want to own my games, eff me right!" LOL

[Bell Boy]

Angry Joe did a sublime interview video with major nelson just a few days ago in which the major attempted to treat Joe like a dumb numpty.

The video exposed the pure arrogance and contempt Microsoft were displaying to their most loyal supporters.

Now after Sony gave Microsoft the most public of beatings and they saw their potential sales decimated they do a 180 and it appears the supporters are haling them as amazing for listen to their customers..

News flash they believe you will swallow any crap they say...see family share...and their trip to the future....and you know what looking at some of the people hailing this as a masterstroke of customer care they are probably right and laughing their heads off in the boardroom at how easily swayed their fans are..

quite sad really

[PimpDaddy]

How soon we forget the $599.00 launch price of the PS3 because Blu-Ray was needed and the power of the "Cell". Even though the 360 showed us you could get the same games without the cell and Blu-Ray. Or how Sony did the old bait and switch with PS Plus. By letting you rent older back catalog games that weren't selling anymore, along with automatic updates, game demos, game betas, and reduced pricing on DLC in order to test the market for a paid service. Then they snuck in the fact that you have to now "pay" for multiplayer access on the PS4 after they announced no DRM and a cheaper price tag than the XB1.

Or Nintendo 2 generations in a row now selling us last generation hardware with a "different" method of control in order to repackage a gaming experience that had already been around for years.

I'm glad that Microsoft removed the DRM. And yes they did listen to their consumers finally. Just like Sony did in relation to price and DRM. Of course they had to reverse their stance on DRM. They need to KEEP their current install base they achieved the past 2 generations and expand it instead of losing it to their competitors. So for that I am thankful to Sony and even to their loyal fans for putting pressure on Microsoft.

But remember this. All 3 console manufacturers are business oriented. They are here to make money. None of them are our friends. None of them reward us for our loyalty. None of them care about us. They only care about whats in our wallet.

[BoNzOhAzArD]

Dude, this guy is campy... There's certain people that can pull off the "funny screaming guy" routine, Will Ferrell being a good example, but this guy isn't one of those. Stop making rant vids dude, you're straight up cheesey when you try.

[LiinoMajire]

I'm a fan of Joe and watch all his videos, I'm glad he can be a BIT happier now with such news.

I still find him more entertaining when his head explodes in anger. Haha. But, I do share quite a few opinions with him.

Keep it up Joe. \m/

[buynit]

Lol that was a fucking awesome rant...

[PSjesus]

English isn't my native language yet i enjoy listening to all English's accents but man i hate hearing this guy talking

[bigboss716]

Im not getting a xbox one because what they did shows me they dont care about there consumers and I new that since 360. -_-

[tigertom53]

I cant wait to see his review on both consoles then I can make my decision what console I will buy....

[hairy]

Really hope Sony add a family sharing plan type feature just to stick it to microsoft. but I'm glad things are a little less harsh if you simply must own an xbox console

[slazer101]

Has Sony revealed what if any the game sharing would be on the PS4? Game sharing is the reason I have been Going with DD lately. It's like getting two games for the price of one. It's great, my kids can dl on there system too and we can play together. I hope the PS4 has this. If it does I probably upgrade all three PS3's to PS4's. if not i will only be getting one PS4.

[BulletPeople]

Angry Joe DRM rants led to 3,000,000 views
which led to
low information gamers understanding the problem
which led to
moderately informed Jimmy Fallon calling it out
which led to
low information gamer audience huge round of applause
which led to
soiled pants in Redmond.

Great job, Mr. Vargas.

[LAWSON72]

If MS and devs want fighg off used games why not just give free DLC to those who buy it new. Instead, of screw us over with tons of missed content that would cost almost just as much as the game.

[wannabe gamer]

i cant stand this guy. angry or not hes an annoying db

[SpinalRemains138]

Why do ppl equate buying used games or renting to piracy?

Are you insane or brainwashed?

Here's how it works. Devs get paid throughout the development process. The publishers get all the monies associated with the game sales. If the publisher has any sort of kickback royalties with the developer in their contract then so be it, but that's not the norm. Publishers are no different than record labels and they are the ones who hurt the developer/artist.

The idea that we must all rally behind the poor poor publishers who have been treated so unfairly, is so absurd, that the English language cannot even begin to scratch the surface of that idea properly.

Wake up, guys. Publishers are not our friend.

They do whatever they can for more money. If their business model was failing they wouldn't be in the game. DRM is not industry saving. Its just a way for publishers to finance a 3rd home.