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Molyneux Says Nintendo Would Fare Better Out Of The Hardware Business

Outspoken game developer Peter Molyneux agrees that Nintendo would fare a lot better if they left the hardware business and just relied purely on quality software. Molyneux doesn’t agree with Shigeru Miyamoto’s opinion that Nintendo must create hardware to cater to the needs of its own development talent. Here’s what Mr Molyneux had to say.

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xflo3603958d ago

I think Nintendo should stay in the handheld hardware business ( obviously as they all sell like crazy ) But drop out of the home console business, I just dont think they know what gamers want anymore. Look at e3, they were a massive letdown-no Metroid, New Mario looked average, No new zelda or F zero or anything which us core Ninty fans wanted!

US8F3958d ago (Edited 3958d ago )

I swear this guy talks so much lately. First he says Xbox one Won next gen, then it's reveałed and fan reaction's been negative, he says they got it all wrong, then says they didn't market properly, now this!? Just shut up man

Nintendo will stay in the console market for a long time. They can afford to fail and still have enough money to make a replacement if they choose.

longcat3958d ago

Nintendo need to keep their own ecosystem or get lost in the clutter of the other platforms.

What they need is to consistently keep a low entry point to their hardware...which is the mistake they made this gen...twice

Dir_en_grey3958d ago

LOL after the XBone reveal some how it made WiiU way more interesting and it is now on my radar to possibly pick it up when I see a game I like is out.

That is how bad XBone's policy is, it made a WiiU look way better then a supposed next gen just with a default "don't need to be always online no DRM" BS lol.

Hadoukameha3958d ago

You kidding? They can afford to fail? I see you ain't in business.

Their inferior handhelds and home consoles are only selling because of the games. DS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U are underpowered, feature-lacking piles of trash that run fantastic games. Imagine if PS4 and Vita was running those games.

Wii U 2 and 3DS 2 better stepup their game.

n4f3957d ago

@hadokame

if you think that after outselling your opponent by a large margin you should retire than you dont sh-t about business

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PSNintyGamer3958d ago

I agree with you, as long as you also think that Sony should stay in the Console Business,but drop out the hand-held business.

LOL_WUT3958d ago

Most definitely Sony's presence in the handheld market is a lost cause as is with Nintendo and their home console hardware efforts. ;) PULL OUT!

ABizzel13958d ago

@PSNintyGamer

Sony's handhelds are great, especially the Vita, the problems with the handhelds come from Sony themselves.

Lack of marketing, pricing when factoring in memory cards, lack of younger audience appealing games (Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon, etc...)

Now if Sony made the hardware, and Nintendo focused on the software than that handheld would be the one to rule them all.

hay3958d ago

I think Molyneux sniffs way more coke that he can handle.

live2play3958d ago (Edited 3958d ago )

"Us core ninty fans wanted"
Riiiiiiiiiight youre a core ninty fan

Tell you what IM A CORE NINTENDO FAN.
I got a beautiful looking DKC, a gravity defying mario kart that looks like a pixar film, a crazy looking seizure inducing Wonderful 101, a first ever 4 player 3D mario adventure, that if you played it at best buy (which this hardcore ninty fan traveled 140 miles to try) would know it looks so crisp and colorful you almost want to eat it, a handheld AND console super smash bros, ...

You know what you get the point

Keep calling yourself that

N4g_null3958d ago

Letting real gamers play the games was the best possible thing to do. The media is full of trolling clowns.

xflo3603953d ago

Actualy I AM a core Ninty fan, for me they are the best developer out there, I just feel they've lost they're way a little. Metroid prime, Zelda WW and Mario 64 are all in my top 5 games and Ive owned practically every Nintendo console released. Now Im not saying that there were no great games on show, because there were, but there were no massive reveals and the ones they did have were dissapointing IMHO.

showtimefolks3958d ago

MS leave the gaming business and enter software/apple wannabe

Nintendo for better or worst make quality titles and anyone who has been gaming for 20 plus years grew up a Nintendo fan.

was just at gamestop buying LOU and pre ordered ps4, the store is getting 65 ps4's and 8 xbox one's. There was a paper right on the counter saying ps4 is $399 and list of games and than xbox one $499 and list of games

i asked the guy if GS was favoring one or another, and his words were we are making an full effort to inform people about buying ps4

so MS you have much much bigger issues than what Nintendo should or shouldn't be doing

Angeljuice3958d ago

I've been gaming for 33 years and I can't stand Nintendo (software or hardware).

showtimefolks3957d ago

Angeljuice

i haven't bought a nintendo console for a long long time but if you don't mind me asking why do you hate them so much?

my main concerns with N are simple they keep making the same games over and over and gaming media gives them a free pass but if MS or Sony makes one halo too many than they are milking it

i give you a example, when the zelda hd remake was announced Nintendo fans went nuts but if sony or ms or any other 3rd party publisher makes a hd collection than they are recycling

my thing is hold Nintendo to the same standards as sony and ms. wiiu is no where near as powerful as xbox one or ps4 yet its suppose to be next gen

how about not make the gemepad and actually spend those resources in improving the actual tech of the system so it can be a little bit future proof

the day ps4 and xbox one gets released wiiu becomes last gen no matter how anyone spins it

Nintendo IMO are a gen behind

baodeus3957d ago (Edited 3957d ago )

why are you using game stop as reference? They have the worst reputation:

1. open game sell as new
2. pay you $5 for your game then sell them at $55, $5 less than the new game (funny, people still op for the used game tag, rather buying it new, giving GS so much profit and nothing to the developers. Worst, they can sell them over and over)
3. Constantly hustling customers to get their reward cards (they are pretty adamant about it)

I'll bet you anything if MS drop their disc based and go Steam rout (which I believe was their original plan), and games price goes down drastically, GS will die instantly. Who cares about used game at $55/pop when you can get it around $30-$40 in a few weeks? Going digital, you don't need GS.

3-4-53957d ago

this moly guy talks too much for not accomplishing a whole lot.

Instead of saying what Nintendo should be doing he should be focusing on his own games.

He says A...but then B happens.

Can't trust the guy

TH3KARMACHARGER3954d ago

But, Dem Pokemon X and Y. They know what I want.

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US8F3958d ago (Edited 3958d ago )

I believe when the blockbuster games release this holiday, it will sell more Nintendo consoles

weekev153957d ago

Cant believe the disagrees you just got for staying a very obvious fact. Of course Nintendo will shift mor units this yoliday.

What may also go in their favour is the demand for PS4 outstripping supply as I think a lot of people fancy a PS4/WIIU combo.

TH3KARMACHARGER3954d ago

I bought a 3DS XL as soon as I could before Pokemon X and Y where even announced in expectation of them! The people who wait are the ones who have to fight or pay excessive amounts to get what they want. To anyone reading this BUY NOW!

EcoSos33958d ago

"But I do wonder about the Wii U – it seemed to be a kind of reaction to SmartGlass."

Really did he just said that, SmartGlass was a reaction to the WiiU not the other way around.

animegamingnerd3958d ago

i am pretty sure smart glasses was revealed the year after the Wii U was revealed molyneux is a idiot

Realplaya3958d ago

LOL I saw that I said didn't Microsoft try to copy Nintendo with smartglass. Og yeah if the Vita is $200.00 plus dollars and they try to make games that take advantage of the PS4 and the Vita has anyone realized that the combo is more expensive than a XBONE ? That price is what $249.00 + $399.00 It gets worse for the XBONE $499.00 the cheapest tablet from Microsoft is roughly around $499.99. Even if you get a cheap tablet it's still pricey.

I understand why Nintendo isn't dropping their price now. For those who think the PS4 games will go with them if they buy a vita are you willing to spend that much money just to play a game?

Nintendo is playing catch up to the HD twins but in one year they have made a game that looks like Mario Kart 8 it's safe to say they are just fine.

Oh yeah go spurs( I am a bulls fan)

Animavicion3958d ago

the wii u have: has backward compatibility, no drm, free online, can play used games, support for indie developers, cheap, great first party line-up.

I'm sorry, but I think Nintendo should stick with the hardware market.

MikeyDucati13958d ago

Ok but who's buying a Wii U? What about the business side where it took so much money to fund the Wii U project and the turn around isn't great? What about the games? What about publishers making statements about the tech and devs not developing games for it?

All those options mentioned and not once has there been a substantial turnaround since the introduction of next gen consoles (MS, Sony) that omits the options you mentioned.

If you want Nintendo to stick around in the hardware market then its console needs to stop playing kiddie family time and mature. It needs better tech under the hood that keeps up with the giants of Sony and Micro. It's apparent that even Wii U buyers are looking towards other consoles since the support for Wii U is basically non-existent.

Hadoukameha3958d ago

Now name the weaknesses; last gen graphics, no 3rd party, forgotten 1st party franchises, and no meaningful 3DS connectivity. PS4 has all that.

N4g_null3958d ago

Who buying a ps4 or Xbox one? Oh they arnt out? Well the must have games are not out so ummm what is your point when the must have games have not come out and people are expressing they will buy when the price drops. This is called good pr on the Sony side. Yet we must all realize people will have a wiiu and or ps4 or unfortunately an Xbox one or pc.

So sales wise only a fool will miss out on the wiiu exclusives that they grew up on.

Now if they grew out of Nintendo's games then you have to understand all gaming is like toys.

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NihonjinChick3958d ago

What about the 3DS? That's selling fine.

Animavicion3958d ago (Edited 3958d ago )

"Ok but who's buying a Wii U?"
A: "Amazon UK: Wii U Sales Rank Jumps 875% Following Microsoft’s Xbox One Reveal" ( http://n4g.com/news/1263854... )

"What about the games?"
A: There are currently 132 games confirmed (90 retail and 42 downloadable) as of the 11th of April 2013. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"If you want Nintendo to stick around in the hardware market then its console needs to stop playing kiddie family time and mature."
A: http://playeressence.com/wp...

no need to lie for the simple fact that you do not like. there are plenty of good games and to come to the wii u.

MikeyDucati13958d ago (Edited 3958d ago )

@IncredibleGamerChick

Usually in the gaming industry, 3DS is referred to as portable or handheld gaming. The Wii U would be considered the hardware.

But 3DS is doing fine. But I don't think the article (I didn't read it) is discussing the 3DS. Wii U is under the consideration as well as the Wii in its round before the introduction of Wii U.

@Animavicion

I understand. You're a fan of Wii U and you take it as if people are slandering your favorite console. Whatever the case might be, there's no need to break my post down, word for word. We don't have enough bubbles for all that crap.

I don't care what an article says (from N4G article of all things) about sales. No one will be talking about Wii U once the arrival of Sony and Micro comes out. The sad part about that? Those sales (Wii U sales rank jumps 875%)just might help get Wii U close to breaking even. You really don't know how far off they are from their projected sales, do you? Also, there are 132 games that the majority of gamers don't care about or even know about. I can have 260 grapes and all but two are rotten. So what do I care if I have 260 grapes? There's only two worth eating. The question is, how many games can you mention before looking at the list? I know it isn't many.

My comments don't reveal any ill will or negativity towards Nintendo. It's actually about you liking the Wii U and feeling a need to defend it. Which is silly. You're not assessing the situation objectively.

I personally like Wii U. I want to get a Wii U. The only games worth mentioning (IMO) now are Zombie U, Bayonetta 2 and Deus Ex Director's Cut. Still, I see not too many developers taking on Wii U. I don't see that gamepad being integrated into the game as Nintendo suggested. I don't even see Nintendo developing games that I want (with that said, we know Nintendo likes to take their time in development, so nothing against Nintendo but hurry up already).

So again, if you're able to look at this objectively instead of thinking that opinions are negative against Nintendo, you would see the truth. People want to see Nintendo flourish but they aren't reacting in a timely fashion to the setbacks that keeps coming their way.

There's nothing wrong with Nintendo just making games for multiplatforms. What is really wrong with that? You still get the games you love and enjoy from Nintendo, but you don't have to invest in a system that all but gets blacklisted from devs because devs don't want to develop games for Wii U with their games that has already been set to play on next gen consoles, PS4 and One. I don't know the process, but I bet it's a pain. They dealt with that on Wii. And the sales told them people play more so on 360 and PS3 than they did Wii. Making for all that porting to Wii a waste of time and expenses.

N4g_null3957d ago

A simple game like cod bullsh1t is made into a star with wiimote controll. You got all of your perks right there on the game pad. Need for speed lets you switch every thing on the fly while driving and no pause screen. Then there is the portable tv aspect. Almost then you can buy the system and not need a tv to even play the games. You wouldn't know this because you don't have one. You only listen to the fud on the Internet.

MikeyDucati13957d ago (Edited 3957d ago )

@scissor_runner

You mentioned two games that are being played quite frequently on other consoles. You mentioned the TV aspect for the pad that nobody uses. No original content. NO original games that use the gamepad in a intuitive way.

I know this because I have done my research kid. You mentioned three things that don't make anybody say "oh wow, they have that! Mikey was wrong, I'm so getting it!!" Yes, those are quite creative ways to use that 2nd screen but what about original IPs? Where are the devs? Where is Nintendo?

Like I told the other guy, stop mistaking my comments about Nintendo to be nothing more than a full on rant. I am objectively speaking whereas you guys are ignorantly responding instead of engaging into a mature conversation about this thing. I kow it was too much to read but I actually want to get a Wii U but nothing is substantial enough for me to make that investment. Especially when PS4 got my attention. So grow up

Movieworld3957d ago

The TV aspect of the gamepad that nobody uses? Don't be silly kid. I have my wii u hooked up to a large HD tv in the living room. Most nites when I retire to the bedroom I carry on playing Super Mario, Resident evil or FIFA on the gamepad. This is a massive feature, its almost like getting a console and handheld for the price of a console. Also if I want to play wii u I can just pick up the remote and use it to switch the tv off and on and also use it to turn the volume up or down. Its a fantastic bit of kit.

MikeyDucati13957d ago (Edited 3957d ago )

I'm a grown man, not a kid. All this talk about the great features of Wii U as if Wii U is in place to take the lead in the console race is absolutely hilarious. What world are you guys living in?

Oh wait, is it Nintendoland? Just stay off the mushrooms folks.

It seems as though @Movieworld, @Animavicion and @scissor_runner only skimmed through my posts or just read the posts of someone who responded to me who themselves didn't read my entire response in the first place. Smh, stupid. I can tell that because each post is an attempt to defend Wii U when there wasn't no attack. An assessment is not an attack on your beloved consoles folks.

I don't know a Wii U owner who is raving about the TV add on feature that you guys, in another thread, would slander MS about for putting it in their system. These are discussions, not debates here people. No point needs to be proven here. People want to play games and Wii U is not offering that library that is grabbing the attention of the majority. And that doesn't pay the bills. Deal with it.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1016d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref5d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde5d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19725d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai6d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref5d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan5d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref5d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde5d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19725d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier5d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto5d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman5d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts5d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel12d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8811d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing11d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS11d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder10d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218310d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.