Hideo Kojima Surprised by PS4′s “Cheap” Price, Talks About Comparison with Xbox One and Cameras

Many gamers around the world were surprised by the price point of the PS4. Looks like Hideo Kojima was taken by surprise as well by Sony’s unveiling.

On the other hand he's not worried about the difference in power between PS4 and Xbox one.

[Nyxus]

I was pleasantly surprised by the PlayStation 4 price as well, especially after hearing the XBox One would cost 500 dollars.

[Abriael]

I actually went on record sayng that the PS4 would have costed 349, but in the end I was nearer to it that those that argued 500 :D

[sinjonezp]

I went on record and said the console would be 399 and they would not have any of the Xbox restrictions. I was somewhat surprised.

[Ozmoses]

PS4 plays vinyl? if that's the case than it's the greatest machine ever designed... haha

[Blade Runner]

..would have costed 349" I think you meant to say ...would have cost 349.

[3-4-5]

I had it XB1 - $450
PS4 - $400

And I guessed a Wii U price drop which won't be happening until probably late 2014 at the earliest.

1/3 isn't too bad..

[douevenlift]

I wonder if there will be more SKUs with a 499 and 599 option?

[FinalFantasyFan]

I was the same. I wasn't surprised when it turned out to be cheap. If you look at how Sony gone out of their way to reduce the Vita's price as much as possible, you'd know the PS4 would be cheap.

[Tyre]

He's a big Hollywood movies fan, but i'm affraid just as misguided on Motion Control as MS is. Interesting read for anyone interested => http://www.theawl.com/2013/...

[Donnieboi]

Can u find info on the ps4 camera? Sony never went into detail about what exactly it was capable of. I hope it can do head tracking, many people use headtracking on pc and it's an amazing gamechanger for the fps genre.

[SonicRush15]

Search Playroom on youtube there is some cool stuff the camera does.

[AndrewLB]

@Donnieboi It's so the NSA and 0Bama can keep tabs on you while in the privacy of your own home. When you factor in how PRISM monitors all internet communication, including videos, skype, etc... i sure as hell don't want a camera on a console (or webcam etc)

[aceitman]

he is not going to put down ms an anyway , hell he open the x1 show , so why would he , he has a good relationship with ms bringing his games over to xbox. y he didn't show it running on xbox one no one knows he demoed mg4 on ps3. im sure he has a contract with ms and in that contract there are thin gs like not putting x1 down and praising the sytem.

[JoySticksFTW]

It's in Kojima's best interest to downplay the differences.

People thinking this proves they're the same are not thinking this through.

Besides, I would doubt there'd be that much difference in near launch titles anyways. But it will show soon enough.

People can like MS exclusives, that's great. But please stop trying to delude others that plainly see the ps4 is not just more powerful but also easy to develop for.

We aren't talking cell's difficulty here

If anything, xbone has the trickier architecture that may make it more difficult to develop for. But again, I doubt as notoriously difficult as ps3 used to be.

[Death]

Joystick,

Read this: http://www.itproportal.com/...

Both the XboxOne and PS4 use the same Jaguar CPU and a 7000 series GPU. The One uses DDR3 which is CPU ram, the PS4 uses GPU GDDR5. Neither is ideal for a combines CPU and GPU which is why the XboxOne uses a buffer to increase bandwidth. The two consoles are nearly identical this generation. Microsoft has been making easy to develop x86 based consoles from the start. To say the PS4 is easier to develop for is silly since they copied the Xbox design.

If you get bored and want the information, read the difference between DDR3 and GDDR5 online. Gaming PC's use DDR3 on the motherboard for CPU calculations and high end video cards use a much smaller amount of GDDR5 for the GPU. If GDDR5 was better ram, we would be installing it on the motherboard. I paid $200 for the 16 gigs of Vengence DDR3 in my PC. Do you think I would have had a problem buying GDDR5 if it was available and better?

[rainslacker]

I don't ever recall Kojima talking negatively about any console. Maybe just say how it might be limited due to one thing or something, but always says there's ways around it. He a techie kind of guy. He likes to utilize tech that's available, and he's quite good at doing it in unique ways. Even mundane things get a notice from him.

[JoySticksFTW]

sigh...

ok I'll bite

From the article you linked:

"The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU. The Xbox One MOSTLY ameliorates this difference with 32MB of high-speed SRAM on the GPU, but it will be a more complex architecture to take advantage of."

Simply stated, the X1 can theoretically almost bypass the difference in ram (due to ESRAM and Move Engines), but there needs to be clever coding by the game developers due to the "more complex architecture".

And the article is simply comparing specs, not the actual ram available for games: X1's 5gb of DDR3 to PS4's 7gb of GDDR5.

And as you said, DDR3 is for the CPU - which is weak in both systems because they are just for streamlined consoles that don't need the beefy CPU's of PC's to push all kinds of data.

What will make a significant difference is PS4's more powerful GPU, in combination with more available ram (2 extra gb for games), with more bandwith (GDDR5), in a less complex architecture.

PS3 was technically more powerful than 360, but it took some truly talented and dedicated devs to showcase that system. Now the PS4 is more powerful while being less complex than the X1.

This is not slant or spin. Let's not move goalposts here.

The differences between the PS4 and X1 will begin to show sooner rather than later as we get into the new generation.

[Jazz4108]

Another article I just read was that there is no external power supply for the xboxone. Anyone know if ps4 will still have the brick?

[AndrewLB]

@Joysticks
The principle differences are:
•DDR3 runs at a higher voltage that GDDR5 (typically 1.25-1.65V versus ~1V)
•DDR3 uses a 64-bit memory controller per channel ( so, 128-bit bus for dual channel, 256-bit for quad channel), whereas GDDR5 is paired with controllers of a nominal 32-bit (16 bit each for input and output), but whereas the CPU's memory contoller is 64-bit per channel, a GPU can utilise any number of 32-bit I/O's (at the cost of die size) depending upon application ( 2 for 64-bit bus, 4 for 128-bit, 6 for 192-bit, 8 for 256-bit, 12 for 384-bit etc...). The GDDR5 setup also allows for doubling or asymetric memory configurations. Normally (using this generation of cards as example) GDDR5 memory uses 2Gbit memory chips for each 32-bit I/O (I.e for a 256-bit bus/2GB card: 8 x 32-bit I/O each connected by a circuit to a 2Gbit IC = 8 x 2Gbit = 16Gbit = 2GB), but GDDR5 can also operate in what is known as clamshell mode, where the 32-bit I/O instead of being connected to one IC is split between two (one on each side of the PCB) allowing for a doubling up of memory capacity. Mixing the arrangement of 32-bit memory controllers, memory IC density, and memory circuit splitting allows of asymetric configurations ( 192-bit, 2GB VRAM for example)
•Physically, a GDDR5 controller/IC doubles the I/O of DDR3 - With DDR, I/O handles an input (written to memory), or output (read from memory) but not both on the same cycle. GDDR handles input and output on the same cycle.

The memory is also fundamentally set up specifically for the application it uses:
System memory (DDR3) benefits from low latency (tight timings) at the expense of bandwidth, GDDR5's case is the opposite. Timings for GDDR5 would seems unbelieveably slow in relation to DDR3, but the speed of VRAM is blazing fast in comparison with desktop RAM- this has resulted from the relative workloads that a CPU and GPU undertake. Latency isn't much of an issue with GPU's since their parallel nature allows them to move to other calculation when latency cycles cause a stall in the current workload/thread. A CPU running GDDR5 memory is at a great disadvantage because of the high latency caused by these memory timings. Also, the performance of a graphics card for instance is greatly affected (as a percentage) by altering the internal bandwidth, yet altering the external bandwidth (the PCI-Express bus, say lowering from x16 to x8 or x4 lanes) has a minimal effect. This is because there is a great deal of I/O (textures for examples) that get swapped in and out of VRAM continuously- the nature of a GPU is many parallel computations, whereas a CPU computes in a basically linear way.
Nobody really seems to be mentioning the fact that even though the PS4 has very high memory bandwidth (176gb/s), the GPU isn't nearly powerful enough to utilize that much bandwidth. My PC's GTX680 has a memory bandwidth not much higher than the PS4 (208.3gb/s). At face value, one would think the PS4's Radeon HD7850 (flops are the same) would only be slightly slower, but the GTX680 wipes the floor with it.
I still think the addition of ESRAM will do big things to bridge the bandwidth gap, while the DDR3's fast timings will give the XBONE more number crunching power than PS4.
I know all the PS4 fanboys are going to raise hell over this, but the sooner you get used to the fact that these systems are going to be very close performance wise, the easier it will be to get over the disappointment when the systems are actually available and the reviews are released.
And one last note.... I plan on buying a PS4 when they're released. But until then, many of you should try and be at least somewhat objective in your analysis of these systems. Blind faith in a company or a product always results in being let down, followed by unhinged nerd rage.

[JoySticksFTW]

@ Andrew

I don't think you're trolling, but people see ohh numbers or read the text book definition in school or some website, attempt to decipher them, bend logic, and ignore what is now widely accepted. And what is generally accepted that ps4 is at the very least a bit more powerful than x1, suddenly becomes x1 is the same or more powerful than ps4.

Which system is more powerful it doesn't matter to me. I own all systems this gen, and I like the X1 exclusives I saw at e3 (though I'm holding out until ms changes their drm policies). What does irk me is some people keep posting all of this information without fully understanding it or it's real world application and then call others fanboys.

And it's the same argument that have been debunked countless times in the past since the console spec leaks. When will people understand that DDR3 vs GDDR5 latency in these console architecture with their usage is negligible? We're talking nano seconds here. Where that DDR3 MIGHT make a difference is zipping around X1's apps and three OS.

With games however, the bandwidth difference coupled with x1's more exotic design and the difference in available ram (x1's 5gb vs ps4's 7) for games are significant and very real.

That's the simplest way I can explain it. Heck if everything is equal as you're trying to say, how does x1 make up the 2gb difference in available ram? That alone is going to make a difference. We've seen ps3 struggle at times with the same amount but split ram. So now having MORE ram in a unified pool available in an easier to develop for system doesn't count now? That called being blind, the same thing you're accusing others of.

People are trying to over complicate things and end up confusing / deluding themselves and potentially others. Don't be that guy, Andrew. Don't be that guy.

[AndrewLB]

Joystick- The purpose of that brick of text was to accurately explain the differences between the two memory standards because some people here continually post inaccurate information. Even more so when it comes to peoples understanding of the use of eSRAM.
Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU that’s very close to the Radeon HD 7790. The Xbox One will have 68GB/sec of bandwidth between the CPU/GPU and RAM, the GPU will have 102GB/s of bandwidth to a local 32MB SRAM cache, and another 30GB/s of bandwidth to gamepads, Kinect, and other peripherals.
The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU that’s around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU. The Xbox One mostly ameliorates this difference with 32MB of high-speed SRAM on the GPU, but it will be a more complex architecture to take advantage of.

And again, I'm only speaking of bandwidth here. Everyone knows the PS4 has a more powerful GPU but the fact remains that nobody here really knows if either GPU has the processing power to actually saturate that bandwidth or how the PS4's CPU will perform with high latency GDDR5. Or how effective 32mb of on-die eSRAM dedicated to GPU functions exclusively will be compared to how effectively the PS4's CPU and GPU share that monolithic block of high latency ram.

I highly doubt the difference in performance will be anywhere near as great as the fanboys claim. They'll probably be a lot closer than everyone thinks especially since nobody here has any idea what the clock speeds are for the Xbone's ram and gpu. The sizable amount of power saved by going with DDR3 could easily be used to clock the GPU much higher. We'll see...

[aceitman]

at Andrew u also have to take in mind when u talk pc specs with pc os the ps4 does not run like one giving the advantage to take on more without using having to deal with the os like a pc does . which is where people say the ps4 has the aDVANTAGE.

[dlocsta]

Are you not all of the people that complained when the 360 was released saying the cost was not a true cost because you have to by all of the accessories? Well were is all that anger? The eye is not included with the P$4!?! Where is the outrage that Sony would make you pay extra for accessories you have to have to fully use the system? Befor you say you don't need it remember the light on the DS4? What was that light supposed to work with again?

[punisher99]

What?? Are you serious? Including Wi-Fi and bluray in a console should be a no brainer in this day and age. But forcing an expensive camera attachment on a hardcore gaming crowd is just stupid.

[Reportillo4]

you don't need the camera for the DS4 to work...

[rainslacker]

The light can be used for things other than motion control. One instance was to give players visual cues of what was going on in game.

I personally haven't seen any use for it, but the camera isn't needed, and some people don't care about it. The PS4 wasn't built around the camera, so yeah, in this case, I'd rather not spend money on something I care nothing about.

[iceman06]

Simple answer...it's an OPTION! Things like online adapters, high density disk storage, and hard drives are somewhat essential to a complete gaming experience. However, a camera is really just to ENHANCE the experience for the large percentage of games. (there are PS Eye and Kinect only games...but a small percentage of the market). It's really apples to oranges.

[airgangstarr]

sony played this perfect nobody wanted a kinect so they made the ps4 come without there camera an by doin so they undercut there competitor by 100 bucks on console price

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Great. Now remind me again why the PS4 camera is *necessary*..? It's still cheaper with it anyway.

[Gardenia]

The difference is not small. The thing is that he cant talk bad about Xbox and Microsoft because they made a deal

[strifeblade]

what deal? certainly not an exclusivity deal lol.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What deal?

[RedDevils]

probably the deal is not to talk shit about the X1 lol

[BKsecret]

Yeah, I had the impression the the 8GB GDDR5 ram would substantially raise the price of the PS4.

[showtimefolks]

Everyone was predicting a $349 ps4 so I think in a way Sony is very happy with $499 Xbox one cause with $399 they are actually making a decent profit

Just wait till release world wide numbers will surprise so many people, since Xbox one is only launching in 21 countries. What's funny I thought was CD Red project are doing witcher 3 and Xbox one isn't launching in their home land Lol

Kojima tell us the release date, you can't show off such a stunning trailer than expect us to wait 2 years come on make it happen Q2 2014 please

[awi5951]

The xbox has connect im sure its worth 100 dollars since its a improvement over the crap last model one. But i hate to pay for online play since their is no reason for it. Everything you can do on xbox live and on PSN you can do on steam so its just a money grab by both companies and i say screw them both to hell i will not pay.

[kingPoS]

Has Steam made a successful console yet? From what I hear, consoles take a tremendous amount of money to develop and maintain.

Steam has it easy right now. Just dealing with only the network end probably affords Valve more options.

[Gazondaily]

With regard to the power of both consoles he said :

"The difference is small, and I don’t really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap (laughs). Though, I wonder about the inclusion of the camera…
"

So will this be enough for N4G users? Many here claim (incorrectly) that the PS4 is FAR more powerful. Really, the main issue is the price point. That, and of course the restrictions of the X1 should be the main points that people should take into account when considering buying either of the two consoles.

For me, its a no-brainer; the PS4 is a day-one for me simply because of the value of the hardware but I do recognise that the X1 is still a great machine hampered by its price and the policies that govern it (both of which can be subject to change).

You'll never see me being pathetic on here and spouting this 4>1 or 'Greatness awaits' nonsense. I'll leave that for the fanboys.

[B-radical]

Well if he said the difference is small then ill believe him.

[Blankolf]

Hideo Kojima didn't even know about the price point, are you suggesting he knows the system from corner to corner?

Seriously I sometimes come here to N4G looking for fellow gamers, and I am surprised humans are considered intelligent creatures...

[dcbronco]

It doesn't pay to be honest does it B-racial? Get back in line. PS fans say they hate restrictions. Except when it comes to personal opinion. Then you are restricted to repeating their message.

[buynit]

@ blankolf

I would think the guy has a ton of knowledge about both consoles. I'm willing to bet this guy understands the specs better than anyone here. He's been making games for a while, I wouldn't write him off because he didn't know the price for the console. That's not his job, his job is to make a great game.

[Redgehammer]

The fact you came to N4G looking for intelligent commentary, on the world of games, calls into question your own intelligence. :D I joke.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@redgehammer, please tell me a sight that has a good balance of real estate gamers. I am tired of all of the bias but don't know of many gaming sites.

[dlocsta]

Why should we believe him? He is only one of the most noted game makers in the industry. He cannot possibly know what he is talking about?

[awi5951]

@dcbronco

You are very right and thats why the bubble system must go. If you dont agree with the group we will debubble you so you can't speak lol. It was always a joke of a system in the first place im glad its gone. Maybe the new system will stop fanboys that are butt hurt from stopping all debate on any subject. It's not a debate or a discussion if all parties agree you butt hurt fanboys and thats what made this site a joke all these years and i been here since 2007.

[The Meerkat]

Initially the difference seems small but as the generation progresses and devs push the hardware that extra 2GB for games and the RAM speed will matter.

[Skips]

Pretty much, he doesn't even go into specifics other than "and I don’t really need to worry about it.". lol Why in the world would he want to downplay system he debuted MGSV on first? Just sayin...

[Gazondaily]

I agree with you there. In the latter part of the next-generation, that difference will be utilised by developers yearning for more power.

It will be similar to the PS3 that saw better multiplatform games at the tail end of this generation, except that the difference might be more profound this time round considering the ease of development with the PS4.

[B-radical]

Will now that we are talking about the future what if microsofts cloud really is something special and is capable of what they say it is? Major nelson in an interview was preaching about the future and how cloud will be better in years to come

[fermcr]

This is N4G. It's Sony land. I wouldn't take most users (blind fanboys) from N4G seriously, they only talk crap.

As for the PS4 and X1 hardware specs, they are very similar. It's just the X1's restrictions that are very bad.

[The Meerkat]

The PS4 has 2GB more game RAM and faster RAM.

Are you telling me that that doesn't matter?

The PS4 has 40% more usable RAM, not 2% or even 10% but a whopping 40%. It sure as hell does matter. Anyone who says it doesn't has either a fanboy interest in the Xbone or a commercial interest in the Xbone.

[Ezz2013]

how they are similar ?!
plz tell me
here those are the official specs
http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....

now look at them and tell me what very similar here beside the CPU
Ps4 GPU is much more powerful
Ps4 Ram is much stronger and faster
and also ps4 use 7GB for games
while xbox1 use only 5GB for games

so again what is very similar ?!

EDIT: @No_Limit
hey, any thing that help you sleep better i guess

[BallsEye]

@fermcr

@Ezz2013

So now sony fanboys are smarter than the devs? woah you guys are low!

1. It's not all about raw specs on paper, IT's ALSO ABOUT ARCHITECTURE (hello esram and move engines)
2. Faster RAM gives very little differece, go make comparisons on PC running games.

[lelo]

Yep, fanboys understand more about the hardware then developers !!! ... and yet PS4 is so powerfull that killzone PS4 only runs at 30 fps.

Aren't you guys forgetting about Xbox One's eSRAM that the PS4 doesn't have ? Those consoles have very similar specs. Multiplatform games will be nearly equal, we will only notice differences with exclusive games. The best exclusive devs will take the most advantage of their respective console.

The negative factor about the Xbox One is the always online and no used games crap.

[Skips]

@BallsEye and lelo

LMFAO!

No, more like fanboys tying to deny FACTS right in front of them presented by Eurogamer/Digital Foundry. You know... ACTUAL FULLY DETAILED analysis/studies on the hardware on SPECS from SONY AND MICROSOFT... -_-

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
http://s7.postimg.org/rqi3c...

I'm sorry, but FULL comparisons on the SPECS (revealed by SONY AND MICROSOFT) between the two from Eurogamer/Digital Foundry hold more merit than a simple "The difference is small, and I don’t really need to worry about it"... No matter WHO said the quote...

LOL!

And not to mention Kojima literally JUST presented his game at the Xbox One E3 conference.

What the hell do you expect him to say??? XD "Xbox One is WAAAAAY less powerful than PS4!, Sorry Microsoft...., even though I presented MGSV at YOUR conference!!!! I don't want people to buy the INFERIOR VERSION!!!!"

Jesus, you guys need to be more smarter than this. -_-

[Skips]

Whoops, double post...

[Sanquine90]

@lelo Uuhm killzone shadowfall will 30 fps but read this article
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Ezz2013]

just like i thought no xbox fanboy said or showed any thing that can back them up ..they just hit the disagree and run to insults and smile like they change the facts by doing this

@BallsEye

no ps fans are smarter because they can look at the official specs
http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....
and see the difference in power

than to trust a dev that all he want is that you buy his game on systems

there is no such thing as
"it only much more powerful on paper"

if it more powerful then it is more powerful
no If or But here....this is not ps3 vs xbox360
deny it all you want ...those are facts

@lelo

hmmmmm, that's the dev choice not the console
also read this
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
http://www.gamesradar.com/k...

for the love of god
the official specs are in front of your eyes and you still can't accept it ?!

i'm done here
you guys just will go on and ignore the facts

good for you guys ...what ever help you sleep the night

[Gimmemorebubblez]

Well what do you expect Kojima to say. If he said their was(which their is) a difference MS wouldn't be happy.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

"Microsoft uses proprietary connectors wherever it can. The only reason for this is to FORCE you to buy THEIR OWN PRODUCTS at INFLATED PRICES.
Sony uses industry standard connectors for everything, you can use ANY headset, peripherals etc EVEN THOSE OF A RIVAL COMPANY!

Anybody who thinks the two companies are comparable is fooling themselves, everything Microsoft ever does is designed to maximise profit, every tiny detail. They want every single penny they can possibly get from you and produce an environment where there is no competition to their products.

You can't compare the morality of the two, ms are a cancer on the world." -Angeljuice-

[punisher99]

"This is N4G. It's Sony land. I wouldn't take most users (blind fanboys) from N4G seriously, they only talk crap"

That is a load of crap. This site has just as many PC elitist, xbox fanboys and Nintendo fanboys as well. Notice how I dont have 10 bubbles.

[aquamala]

really, 50% in tflops is not a big difference, nobody in the PC world would do an "upgrade" from a 7770 to 7850, which is basically what we're talking about, the difference is just too small, both are mid range GPUs today.

[SALT]

Its well known the PSN eSports communities are well behind, less developed on 3rd party games like COD and BF - with nothing even comparing to Halos pro scene.

The XB1 will continue to assist the growth of eSports by superior recording abilities and partnerships with Twitch.tv as well as opening up their closed system (XBL) thru Skype

You need a decent OS to handle the smooth unobtusive switching/running between applications gamers on XB1 will have at their disposal.

XBOX360 the eSport console of choice made even better for next gen with XB1

[RealtorMDandDC]

Whoa Nelly.....Totally different site. Sony got no love. But hey great games has a unifying effect...

[awi5951]

@savage beast lol

Sony is the one that started the proprietary everything to milk money out of consumbers lol. You must be 12 years old or something not to know that where do you think microsoft learned it from. They were jealous of all the money sony was making off of extra controllers and all the addons they sold at stupid high prices.

[BallsEye]

@Sonic200

I see you can't read with understanding, dear child. First of all MS NEVER RELEASED THE OFFICIAL SPECS. Secondly, AGAIN it's RAW SPECS ON PAPER, not architecture test and its benefits. Stop trying to be smart ass, you're just making yourself look stupid (godly in the eyes of other fanboys tho). Real world performance can be very different than raw specs.

@Ezz2013

Haha, all you do is look at a picture with numbers and think you know everything. You don't know SH!T about how it works, how one part can offload another part to give it an edge. Isn't it how the praised ps3 worked before? With TEH CELL offloading GPU? Now when you got eSRAM and move engines to offload GPU and CPU in xbox one you suddenly say ONLY RAW SPECS MATTER. To remind you xbox360 IS more powerful in raw specs than ps3. You fanboys are hilarious.

Oh look I can paste specs! (ps3 vs xbox 360)

http://www.examiner.com/ima...

http://img163.echo.cx/img16...

BY DISAGREEING WITH ME THAT RAW PAPER SPECS ARE ONLY IMPORTANT YOU ALSO AGREE THAT XBOX 360 IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN PS3 (as it has way better raw specs)

[A-laughing-horse]

Amen

[Mkai28]

I applaud your comment, the power of these consoles should be close. The mouth of developers is enough for me. The PS4 pricing is a great move by Sony, and X1 has great exclusive line ups. I will be getting both these consoles day one.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

The devs also said the ps3 and xbox was the same. Yet Last of Us and God of War is the best looking game this generation on a console thats so hard to program for.

[KingKelloggTheWH]

Other dev's said the ps4 is far more powerful.

[Ezz2013]

i will leave this here for you guys
http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....

and, it's not like he's going to say :
"hey, you know the console we will bring MGS5 on it
it's a weak console and ps4 is more powerful...don't buy our game on xbox1"

i don't know why you guys still talk about this
the spec are out from both MS and Sony
and indeed ps4 is more powerful and not just by small lead

and xbox 1 is not only weaker it also have some of the worst policies and also more expensive by 100$

EDIT: hmmm,disagrees for saying Facts?!
you have the official spec from Sony and MS in the pic
that show how much powerfull ps4 against xbox1...you can't disagree ith facts

it getting very hard to have intelligent talk in this site
*smh*

[No_Limit]

Saw the spec, they look similar. Saw the games Forza 5, Ryse, Quantum Break vs inFamous, Killzone, Drive Club, looks similar and not 50% better on either side. BF4 is also confirmed to be running on 60fps, 720p and 64 players online on both consoles but the PC version can run up to 1080p. So if the PS4 is really 50% more powerful then games like BF4 should be 1080p on PS4 and Killzone and Driveclub should be 60fps instead of the targeted 30fps.

PS4 will have a slight advantage but it is only minimal, like Kojima said, in the real world.

[Irishguy95]

It's not minimal, the GPu is 50% faster. The Ram is better although realistically the Ram isn't going to affect much. It's simple enough, next gen, the xbox is going to age much quicker than the Ps4.

The CPU's are the same, Kojima is right in ssaying they are very similar, because they are. But regardless, the Ps4 does pack more of a punch by not only a minimal amount, it's a decent amount more powerful.

This difference in power is going to show, it's going to be noticeable. In the end, the difference is simply going to be a few more textures and higher framerates. They are close enough that games will be scalable down the the Xbox with just turning off some settings.

[BallsEye]

@Irishguy95

Child, you just repeat what you saw written by other fanboy kids. Not only the raw specs on paper matter but also ARCHITECTURE, if for example xbox 1 gpu got move engines and esram to unload gpu then it automaticly becomes faster, but not on paper. Learn up a bit about how those things work (not from those other n4gtards)

[DaPrintz]

I love Kojima as much as everyone that comes to this site, but come on, he's a director/writer not a programmer. He doesn't know what each system is capable of.

[dlocsta]

The PS4 is so much more powerful that Titanfall is 1080p 60fps (weak stats!) on the Xbox versus Killzone running at 1080p 30fps (that is POWER)!

[wishingW3L]

PS4:

18 GCNs

GDDR5

only 1 GB for the OS

1.8Tflops

XB1:

12 GCNs

DDR3

3GB of Ram are for the OS so it has much less available Ram.

1.4 Tflops

PS4 is more powerful. Period. Kojima is just saying this so people don't jump on him asking for more details and as a multiplat dev is better if people believe both consoles are the same (but they are not). PS4 has a bigger advantage over the XB1's graphic capabilities than what the PS3 has over the X360.

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.edge-online.com/...

http://www.gamechup.com/jon...

http://www.gamechup.com/amd...

All of them VS

Kojima

[ElementX]

To be honest, MS hasn't released the official specs yet. Sony did at E3.

[Gimmemorebubblez]

@elementX
They had a round table after the Xbone event and an engineer gave some details to Digital Foundry.

[ElementX]

I haven't seen any Digital Foundry article with specs since E3. All I've seen is the hands on with Xbox One which talks about the games.

[Gimmemorebubblez]

@elementx
We know about the GPU and the amount of RAM as well as the amount of embedded RAM. The CPU of both consoles are not really known. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... I hope this helps.

[dlocsta]

Thanx for sharing your psychic abilities and letting us know what other people think. What would we do without you?

[awi5951]

Stop posting tflop specs it only makes you look stupid to PC gamers who have had higher Tflop performacne from 3 year old out of date cards.

[mcstorm]

@Septic that was well said and nice to here a none fan boy. It really all depends on how you look at the cost to. The PS eye is £44.99 then add a move £29.95 and a nav controller £10.95 this is now putting the ps4 at £434 so its around the same price as the Xbox one but you don't need to buy add-ons this time.

It really depends on how you look at something on which is best and most expensive.

I am getting a One before the PS4 just because I liked the line up of games on it over the PS4 but I am still not getting the One on the 1st day as I have a WiiU and there are a lot of games on there I want plus I have a massive back log of games on my PS3, 360, 3DS and PSV so I am getting through them all before I get another console.

Things may change and I may want a PS4 1st or maybe none at all.

[showtimefolks]

Septic

So because he said that ps4 and Xbox one are pretty even power wise N4G should change?

Ps4 gives developers 7 GB of ram
Xbox one 5GB of ram

So that right the is more power not cutting the fact ps4's ram is faster

But whatever. What's really funny is we went from 512MB to 8GB lol

[solar]

the hardware isnt much different no matter how many people post here it is. it will be a repeat of last gen, multiplatform games will look near identical, (what we dont know is how much extra each can tack on like advanced physics, AI, tessellation, high rez textures plus 1080p/60fps) but to make some extravagant prediction that one will be superior to the other when it comes horsepower is naive.

[theWB27]

The great Kojima even says the difference in power is small. I'm guessing that 50 percent number is a little high. He also believes in the camera....whoa nelly! I'm sure the Sony brigade will discredit even Kojima in order to keep their false bravado.

Vitullo...lol there's the first. Now Kojima is in bed with Microsoft. Good One!

[Abriael]

Kojima also said two years ago that Home Consoles would disappear.

Yeah right :D

[theWB27]

Comparing a prediction to him actually working on both consoles makes no sense. He's shown us, with MG4, that if a system can't handle his vision then he won't work with it.

[Abriael]

@theWB27: oh, I totally believe him when he says that the difference in power is small. It's only to be expected.

But when he says that he believes that the camera is the future, yeah, I chalk it on the same level as "home consoles will disappear"

[theWB27]

@Abrial
I can't argue the camera since that's a prediction. ..

[awi5951]

They did disappear these are weak pc's with Laptop cpus which is funny as hell lol. The console generation didnt move ahead it went backwards. Everyone knows you can't run games with a crap cpu the graphcis cards cant perform up too their full potential when the cpu cant keep it full.

These cpus are crap, what were they thinking the only reason to buy them is because they are cheap. They are total crap just go to bestbuy or new egg and buy a crap FX series cpu atleast they are 8 cores @ 3.6G performace. The consoles would have 8 times the power with off the self cpu's this is just stupid on both companies part.

[Studio-YaMi]

http://i.imgur.com/Z4CvNT1....

Oh yea,pretty "small" indeed
2 GB extra GDDR5 RAM
600 more Tera flops
DOUBLE the ROPS

and much more
but hey,whatever makes you happy & sleep at night. xD LOL

[theWB27]

I'll sleep just fine. ..plan to get both. You spit those numbers though. ..I point to the games.

[LoveOfTheGame]

You said 600 Teraflops, your not a sony sheep or anything.

Learn some of the stuff your saying then come back.

[Gimmemorebubblez]

*600 gigaflops.

[Studio-YaMi]

@LoveOfTheGame + Gimmemorebubblez

Yeah I actually figured that out after I couldn't edit my comment no more,just a simple mistake & LoveOfTheGame,calling me a sheep for stating facts ? ok,cool then! :)

[Clarence]

It's not about discrediting his word, but he now developes for both console. He has to be diplomatic about it. They are articles all over the Internet explaining how the PS4 is 50% more powerful.

Of course he's going to say its not that much difference. He wants MGS5 to sell well on both consoles.

It's will sell better on the PS4 because Xbox fans don't like movies.
This is just the 1st wave of games, as time goes on you will see the difference in quality between console game exclusives.

[theWB27]

He has continuously developed on the more powerful hardware and been loyal to PlayStation. .. his games sell enough that he doesn't need to be diplomatic to Xbox. He wasn't last gen... and he wouldn't let a system gimp his vision.

If it were 50 percent more powerful... we wouldn't be waiting for the next wave. This wave should already be showing it and games as big as the witcher wouldn't even be in production on the One.

[No_Limit]

Does this guy age??? He looks the same as he was 10-15 years ago.

[doctorstrange]

Clone

[grimmweisse]

Welcome to Japan, sometimes it is so damn hard guessing the age of some people here. When I first met with a Japanese female colleague I thought she was 24, later I found out she is 38!

Kojima-san is probably immortal!

[BlaqMagiq24]

Nanomachines

[sAVAge_bEaST]

def.. nanotech.

[fardan85]

He's a failed clone, he was created by Les Enfants Terribles project.

[GamePeace]

The differences are small but significant. Seriously, being 1x online per day in order to play. The differences to Point at are not the graphically, you must make the difference from a feature based aspect of the consoles.

All the restrictions will break Microsoft's neck, PC gamer will get consolized multiplattforms at their best, because choosing the next gen consoles as lead is more profitable for the devs + easier.

[juaburg]

Wii U baby!

[GiggMan]

Way to break the monotony. Bravo made me laugh

[listenkids]

Oh Hideo, please stop showing up on the Xbox floor.

[LOL_WUT]

He must get paid really good but yea he's making a fool of himself ;)

[despair]

I love the guy but he's wrong about the camera, its would've been nice to have it included in the system, but if it meant paying more then I'm glad its not there. If it was there then Devs could utilize it more in games as everyone would have one (not sure if that's a good or bad thing though) but now it will probably be left as the unused accessory.

I have the PSeye for PS3 and used it like twice (taking that pic for Burnout Paradise to get the plat was once, the one and only time I played Eye of Judgement was twice) so I do not expect to care that its not there.

[skydragoonity]

Microsoft has got him too...

[ltachiUchiha]

To be fair microsoft doesnt really have any great 1st party studios. Rare isnt even rare anymore, they are like insomniac. So they need alot of 3rd party exclusives to make up for their weak studios. Sony & Nintendo on the other hand is a SURE THING when it comes to 1st party games, the world knows they can deliver & they are the ones who will showcase the hardware. A good example is the last of us vs any exclusive on the 360. There isnt one to even be on that same quality.

Edit: Besides Metal Gear Solid will sell the most on ps4 so kojima already knows.

[plmkoh]

Ignore this article, it's clearly written by someone relying on Google translate that doesn't capture the passive details of the Japanese language:

Kojima says: 違いも少なくなっています

Which Google translates as 'the differences are fewer', however it actually translates to 'differences are becoming fewer' *in the context of PS3 and Xbox 360, since they were talking about them in the interview*

Notice that I have translated it with the word 'becoming' where as Google did not, this is key, because in the current generation the Hardware platforms were extremely different. Therefore Kojima doesn't necessarily imply 'power' of the console, and can imply that both are X86 and are converging technologies, which segways nicely into their discussion of smartphones and why he wished the camera was included in the PS4.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

Thanks for clearing that up,

[InTheLab]

The difference is small and he's not gonna worry about it, meaning, whatever the difference small or large, he's going to make the equal....which is a bummer.

Hopefully, there will be devs out there bold enough to take fully advantage of the PS4 and not fear the wrath of MS.

[Belking]

No the power difference is small because the power difference is small just like he said. You guys really need to learn what "actual performance" is all about. Just because their is faster RAM doesn't give it a huge power edge. MY gaming CPU doesn't have GDDR5 and it's much moe powerful than both consoles.

I'm just glad this next MGS is coming to xbox-one. Good move Kojima and konami.

[FGHFGHFGH]

If your "gaming" cpu doesn't have gddr5 (it's on the graphics card) than it isn't much more powerful than both next gen consoles. AMD video cards have been using gddr5 since the 4870 (current cards are 7xxx). The ps4 also supposedly has a much stronger gpu (it's important for games!)

[illustratedDEO]

I lol,smh silly PC player always typing while burying their head in their motherboard,lmao.

[Indo]

can someone check my predictions of PS4 Final Price ,please?

[kayoss]

$399.

[blacktiger]

even if Xbox ONE or PS4 has a huge different, no developers will mention that because it will benefits one or the other. We all know PS4 has better memory GDDR is better than DDR. However only Sony can prove that it actually works and looks better, otherwise it won't matter

[ZBlacktt]

You know MS has never had a Game of the Year award game? Back in 2006 before the PS3 was counted it went to Zelda Twilight Princess. You know every Sony console has outsold every XBox? Even with a year head started and a worldwide launch. Sony has a history of being the best and bringing the best.

[ZBlacktt]

gameonbro, All of Europe didn't get the PS3 until spring 2007. So they had to watch the US and Japan play in 2006.

[Belking]

Bioshock was game GOTY(wasn't on PS3 at the time) and spike tv isn't the only one's who have GOTY awards. Halo 4 also won GOTY from different places.

[Clarence]

It's a fact that the games look better on consoles as time goes on. The reason for this is , the developers learn new things when developing their games on the new hardware. By the time the developers decided to bring out a sequel or new game, it will look better because the understand the hardware better.

Why do you think last of us looks amazing.

As far as Kojima goes, he's seems to be very a gracious and diplomatic person. So he is not going to say anything bad about either company. I'm sure M$ paid him a lot of money to show up at their e3 conference.

The problem I have with this is, instead of making the best game possible he is going to make the game look the same on both consoles.

There are articles all over the Internet explaining how the PS4 is 50% more powerful. That's not a small percent.

[yankolo]

Pppppsssssssss cheap....put it on 99$ now thats cheap...

[Hueynewton2012]

MS sucked him in with MGS rising. They continued to court him and he saw the $ signs. He dumbed down the series to westernize it. Soon he will have egg on his face, because MS will lose a third generation in a row. The bottom lineis Kojima sold out his mgs hardcore fans.

[ZBlacktt]

So this, very well said and nice to see some get it.

[MonChiChi]

I am still worried about the direction of this game. With a long time fan of the series, I cant help but think MGS5 will be a completely different game we have come to know in the franchise.

Not sure on MGO at the moment either. Pray we don't get some CoD/ BF clone with MG lore, and any other FPS/TPS shooter that are similar to the other 2 shooters.

I really want to enjoy this game but I cannot ignore my feelings.

Here's to hoping I am completely wrong and off my rocker.

[FGHFGHFGH]

I think MGS5 looked awesome but I'm not the biggest Metal Gear fan. I've just played 3 and 4.

[illustratedDEO]

Hope MGO for MGS5 plays like Red Dead Redemtion

[ZBlacktt]

He was surprised because he's not in the Sony loop anymore. He has sided with MS and does their shows ( Rising and now MGS5 ). How's it feel to be on a sinking ship Kojima, lol.

[Enigma_2099]

Well Kojima-san, I was surprised when you replaced Hayter, so we're even.

[SpideySpeakz]

Kojima and Konami was one of the publishers that was paid by Microsoft to not mention the PS4 version of their game until after E3. It's all written in stone. Kojima has lost his way, and now sucking MS's d**k. Also confirmed, MS paying publishers to not take advantage of the PS4 extra power, making both the PS4 and Xbone games look identical. That's why Kojima made that comment about "little difference"..
Kojima is all about the MS money train now. He needs to remember who put him on the map back in the day.

[RM-TatoTiburon]

Dev said PS4 is more powerfull "he's right" Kojima said the diference is small "he only said that because m$ payoff"

[PFFT]

lol yep pretty much. Sony developers and Pro Sony fanboy websites said the Ps4 is more powerful.

N4PSGamer: They are right!

Kojima: The power difference is small.

N4PSGAMERS: Ms sucked him in he is being payed off!

[Sadist3]

And I'm sure all you guys know about the difference of power because you went to the future and compared both consoles. Just like how the all powerful PS3 was so much more graphically superior to the 360, right? Specs on paper don't measure up when you're watching something with the naked eye, TV's and smartphones prove that. A tv with 5,000,000:1 contrast ratio compared to a tv with 3,000,000:1 contrast ratio is a big difference, but the naked eye can't determine the difference. Same as smartphone processing speed. Everyone knows that. Well, everyone over the age of 25 should know that, which I assume by the ridiculous comments being made on here, most must be teenagers. You don't know how the system is going to look, you don't know if there is going to be a huge graphical difference between the two. And if you can, maybe I need to be your friend so you can give me the future lottery numbers.

[wishingW3L]

both consoles share the same architecture and brand of components which mean that they will use the resources almost the same way, and the thing is that the PS4 has better GPU and Ram.

What is so hard to understand?

[FlunkinMonkey]

So are you telling me The Last of Us, Uncharted and God of War weren't widely accepted as better looking than anything on the 360? You are clutching at straws here pal. The gap in hardware is bigger between the PS4 and the X1 than it was between the 360 and PS3 so yes, i am expecting a considerable difference between exclusives on the systems.

You talk of others being fanboys, but your comments are just ridiculous. You are talking complete gibberish above, just shut up.

[GraveLord]

This is completely different than PS3 vs 360. This time the PS4 and XB1 are very very similar.

Here's a comparison of PS4 and XB1 from a respected tech site http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Read up and do your research before you keep defending the overpriced piece of crap that is Xbox One.

[illustratedDEO]

Xbox conference majority were cutscene not gameplay
PS4 conference majority were running in realtime gameplay
What say you ?

[FlunkinMonkey]

Common sense Mother Funker, Do you speak it?!

Guys, there is some serious lack of common sense being displayed here.. Do you really think he is going to shun a system he is also working on??

He now has to enforce diplomacy between the systems, of course he's going to say there's marginal difference..

People are simply deluded here.. facts from multiple sites have shown a superior build to the ps4, by a rather large margin, how can you dispute that?

You even try and say the architecture is what's important but the fact that the X1 OS uses 3gb of its RAM while Ps4 uses 1gb of RAM for OS is another example of superior structure within the system.

Jesus Mary and Joseph, Get your heads out the sand!

[isyourhouseonfire]

The price is still too high. The PS4 is essentially a living room 'entertainment box'. You can find many products like this. The XBOX ONE is a hardcore gamer's box so its price tag makes sense. I'm still confused as to why the PS4's price tag is as high as it is.

[Sadist3]

The PS4 is basically a box that plays games. That's it. From a next gen console, we should get more than that.

[Gimmemorebubblez]

What does the Xbone do that the Ps4 that the Ps4 can't?

[sAVAge_bEaST]

It has magical cloudz, and unicorns,.. Voice activation, and a camera, that can sense your moodz, hunger, and thirst.... (no thanks)

[GraveLord]

PS4 can play movies/tv shows/music and has netflix/hulu/vudu/redbox/amazo ng instant video/etc/etc just like the Xbox One.

You avatar is ironic because you seem to be the one that's mad...

[Sadist3]

But I forgot, most people are blind brand followers, so no point in communicating with people like flunkinmonkey. Guess some people will always be like that, that's why the word "Follower" exists.

[FlunkinMonkey]

So i see you talking without really saying anything...

When you say 'The PS4 is basically a box that plays games. That's it. From a next gen console, we should get more than that' What is it exactly you are looking forward to that the X1 does that the PS4 doesn't? I'm interested..

Judging from your comment history, your branding of 'Follower' is a clear description of yourself right? Pathetic. You do know i own an 360 and a PS3 right? You ignorant, hypocritical. naive, senseless creature..

There's no point communicating from your side, because you have nothing to communicate. I am more than happy to try and talk to you, there are clear reasons which you have obviously seen me previously state in other articles why i'm not supporting the X1, i just think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Try harder.

[ZBlacktt]

You should educate yourself before speaking in public.

[GraveLord]

He's in a partnership with Microsoft. No one is going to publically say the PS4 is more powerful. We already know though and all we need now is some Digital Foundry comparisons.

Specs and numbers don't lie. There are hard facts out there that just can't be ignored. PS4 is more powerful. Period.

[The_Truth_24_7]

The picture should have had an exclamation mark over his head.

[MontyQ]

lol M$ neeeeds to charge $500 for the xbone cause they paid this dude like 5 million to stand on stage for 15 seconds and barly speak English....kinda like when they paid ringo n paul to do beatles rock band and they were like ooo we luv the graphics ffs there like 65 years old M$ paid large bux for that one too I bet.

[FGHFGHFGH]

LOL wasn't Yoko Ono there too.

[MontyQ]

lol I think so that was so amzing and pointless what a waste of millions of dollars lol

[evilhasitsway]

if the two are the same then why oh why is ms selling theres $100 more why because its gonna come right out of the box and watch you f that.

[GraveLord]

You're not making any sense.

Xbox One is more expensive because they are forcing you to buy Kinect with it + it has this big chip of ESRAM that tries to make up for the RAM disadvantage the console has.

[GraveLord]

Let's see how Kojima feels when MGS V sells double on PS4 than it does on XB1. I expect him to come crawling back to Sony.

[iMixMasTer]

Can't wait to compare first party games from ps4 and xbone. Just like this gen the ps3 exclusives looked night and day better than anything on the 360.

[ala_767]

who wasn't surprised? everyone's got shocked when ps4 price was announced

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

You know, it's odd. Kojima always seems to mention these innovative ideas, but never seems to apply them himself. Kinda glad though. I think Metal Gear Solid wouldn't work with gimmicky control schemes.

[jon1234]

im getting tired of what this guy has to say...

[testerg35]

I love how Sony fans pick and choose who to listen to. You'll listen to any dev, including that ranting Braid dev guy, but now that Kojima says something positive about MS, the he's been paid off.

[fullmetal297]

I think the PS fanboys have selective hearing because Kojima stated in the interview: "The difference is small, and I don’t really need to worry about it. When you come right down to it, the PS4 is cheap" and he is right to an extent.

Both consoles are using the same exact AMD jaguar chipset. Both console has the same 8 core CPU with similar clock speeds so the difference in performance is minute.

The most influential factor will the integrated GPU which the PS4 has the advantage over the Xbox One. The PS4 uses intergrated GPU similar in specs to the HD 7870 while the the Xbox ONE's GPU is rated along side the HD 7790.

[iliimaster]

there is no way in hell sony would have made the price like the ps3 congrats to sony just imagine when the xbox is ready for a price cut im sure w'ell see a even cheaper slimmer ps4 they can't loose since M$ has failed so hard

[PS4isKing_82]

Wow i just saw two pre orders for ps4 on eBay for $20,000! And others for $3,000. Glad I bought mine on best buy site last week.

[PirateThom]

Here's the problem, a developer making a game on multiple platforms doesn't want to alienate anyone.

We saw it enough last gen with "will be equal" or "striving for equality across platforms" but, the fact is, it was rarely true.

As much as I respect Kojima, his word on "power" is meaningless because he's trying to sell both MGSV on 2 different brands as well as FOX engine. He's not going to allow one console to shine over another, it eliminates the point of a multiplatform engine.

[tnynll]

playstation 4 is looking a great deal at the moment i can see microsoft winning this console war

[GamePeace]

Kojima, all hail the Kojimarus creature! He could make an appereance as character in the series, None of the characters would dare to betray him. Or is he Emmerich?
The more european Version of Kojima...

[Playa1]

What a load of posts to scroll through. I'm sorry, but the consoles have not been released yet. It's good to speculate, but let's see them perform the same games side by side before we jump in with fan boy tickle tackle..

[kingPoS]

This rivalry has gotten fans throwing around terms like TFLOPs ROPs and ram specs like they truly understand their meaning. I say let the final product decide the outcome.

After both debut, the arguing can recommence. lol

[mh3fan]

Vita + Ps3 + Ps4 + Ps2 + ps1 + psp + psp mini games = Life time of great games :D

I think we all know that the ps4 will be a another great upgrade

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.

John F. Kennedy"

[horndog]

Say again please kojima

"The difference is small"

But what about teh 50% extra powerfullz gpu compared to xboxone??

"The difference is small I dont have to worry about i"

But but your a lazy POS for not optimizing teh powerz 50% DDR5 Gstring flop graphics card. Am I right ?? Every dev who says the difference is minimal is a lazy liar. I can always count on this site for some good laughs

[shadowst17]

I fear that Kojima has been clouded by the dark side.