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PlayStation Plus required for multiplayer on PS4 games

That is the only caveat we’ve heard so far. Stay tuned for full quote. Upon launch of the PS4, PS Plus members will get access to Drive Club, free. So while you will have to have a Plus membership for multiplayer – you will still be getting free games.

GentlemenRUs3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

False, It's required for features linked to Online... Not online play...

Streaming
ect...

So no, Online Play will still be free.

EDIT: Yes, I have PS+ anyway.

JhawkFootball063969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

Only less than $5 a month though. Honestly that's what 2 energy drinks at a gas station, or a trip to a McDonalds. People should not be complaining.

NeverEnding19893969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

Confirmed that PS Plus is required for online gaming on the PS4.

I'm assuming every N4G user to swear that they would never pay for online gaming is now jumping to the Wii? Post your friends codes!

whoyouwit043969d ago

Ans thats the same price xbox live has been for years but now no one should bitch because it's Sony.

HammadTheBeast3969d ago

I'm actually not cool with this.

However, how do you like getting owned Never ending?

"PS4 WILL HAVE ALL THIS BS RESTRICTIONS TOOOO"

LOL_WUT3969d ago Show
mrmarx3969d ago

but on a serious note plus is worth it. once you get it you will be happy.. it saved me twice when my ps3 yellow lighted and all my game saves were in the cloud. also the free games are good. so man games i cant fit them on my 640gb hdd

dedicatedtogamers3969d ago

I'm pretty sure they meant for online multiplayer, as in, if you want to play online games, ya gotta have PS+. I already have it, so it doesn't affect me *wink wink*

duli143969d ago

Something had to give guys, we can sell our games and no online connection required! and also we get driveclub on ps plus!

WhittO3969d ago

^^ actually i wont bitch because you actually get TONES of stuff with PS PLUS, and not JUST the ability to play online like LIVE.

You literally get loads of free games, themes, avatars etc.

Worth it

hulk_bash19873969d ago

It was a huge plus for Sony to not charge for online play this console generation. And a huge point people hated on Microsoft for so yeah I'd say that this warrants a "this sucks"

Muffins12233969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

Hehehe....sony people always bragged about free online and now its like..."meh...its okay to pay online" lollolololololol

But im still going with sony next gen

sunnygrg3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

It is required, not that I care. Been a Plus subscriber since Day 1.

http://i.imgur.com/wGVY2Tx....

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gunnerforlife3969d ago

@Muffins1223
Ha now we can brag about buying preowned games and being able to play offline for 26 hours non stop,and taking my brothers games at any time ;) but yes im sort of pissed of about ps+ still but will see.

ThatCanadianGuy5143969d ago

Deff sucks to pay for multiplayer but in the end, it's still miles ahead of what XBL tries to justify it's price for.

Been PS+ member since day 1 and i don't think i'll never not be so it's not all that bad lol

SilentNegotiator3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

Someone tell me I'm just having a nightmare. Because I am not paying for online play.

-Alpha3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

It's smarter to have Plus than NOT have Plus. Assuming Sony continues with the Instant Game Collection quality, I will gladly pay for Plus.

When 360 debuted with XBL, it was worth the $$. No one else was offering something of equal value (on consoles at least). Personally, I complain about XBL today because of the lack of value.

It really does suck that you absolutely need Plus to play online (Tretton snuck this in and we need some more clarification), but as far as value goes, I have no issue downing $50. I don't go in thinking "I need this to play online", I continue going in thinking "I am getting free games out of this"

I'm concerned if this will affect the quality of Plus games, if everyone has access to the service. I also hope I can share my Plus to everyone on my system, I don't want to pay twice for my sibling.

Dee_913969d ago

I heard someone say this and I hoped it wasnt true.
This definitely sucks.I mean I have ps+ for about 2 months now but I wasnt planning on renewing it because of ps4 coming soon but yea.. not happy about this.
The rest However, they killed it, killed all the DRM murmur, so it softens the blow by alot imo.

Godchild10203969d ago

I previously stated that I would never pay for a service that restricted me from playing my games online, but then I started playing for Xbox live for my Nephews 360.

I would play for PlayStation plus no matter what, because I get almost 15 games for free, plus the many discounts on games on the PlayStation store. I have a subscription that doesn't end until 2017, plus the extra 3 months that I will get when I pick up The Last of Us.

Also, someone mentioned that something had to give. There is no used restrictions and I can sell my games with no restrictions, I'm sold!

Divine3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

listen guys the system is 400 dollars! i would pay to play anytime for that and its like lunch money! even though we wont have to pay to play online. its only to give us a better online experience

Outside_ofthe_Box3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

WOW this kills everything. Now games that I was looking forward to like The Division I can no longer look forward to playing. I will never pay to play online. I will not pay to play the other half of a game that I ALREADY paid full price for.

We should have another campaign to get rid of this crap. Sony said they are all for the consumer. Now they must prove it by getting rid of this.

Rainstorm813969d ago

Heres a plan buy a year of PS plus now and tomorrow it will have paid for itself long before PS4 hits....and then you get Drive Club

PS Plus has far more valur than XBL ever did, thats why its not as painful that its needed for PS4 MP

Oh_Yeah3969d ago

It's worthy of payment because it comes with GAMES.

Dir_en_grey3969d ago

Friggin admins on this site, they failed any rumors against Microsoft

Yet they brought this from failed back to approved

Yeah right they are not biased

MikeMyers3969d ago

Only single player games and other media services like movies will not require a membership. Online multiplayer is now behind a paywall.

Now watch as the hardened fanboys of yesterday who complained about paying to play online will all of the sudden justify it because the Xbox One has DRM for physical discs.

The flip-flopping will happen, guaranteed. I already have Plus so I'm ready to go.

SonyPS43969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

I have Plus and love the service, thus I will plan on using it on PS4. Still I know a dick move when I see one.

DigitalRaptor3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

@ MikeMyers

Most of us are NOT okay with this. I'm not okay with having to pay to play basic online, regardless of the fact I will continue to pay for PS+. It's sh*t and still confusing, cause it hasn't actually been confirmed yet, or has it? It still smells like rumour to me.

BUT at least Sony aren't disgustingly anti-consumer like Microsoft in pretty much every respect. At least they aren't trying to take control of the ownership of your games, at least they aren't requiring you to connect every day to verify your games. At least they aren't forcing you to connect a camera to play your games - which by the way has ensured you're paying more for the console, as it's a requirement.

MS are disgusting and Sony has hands-down won this generation for gamers and consumers on these points alone. On focus, on price, on peace of mind as consumers. I'm so happy there's a company out there that treats consumers with respect, and not as criminals or fools.

Believe me I will rally strongly against, forced online, unlike you mugs who will bow to whatever MS wants to take away from you.

steven83r3969d ago

Unless they say You cannot play online without PS+ then its rumor. What i head when he said it was if you want to get the full experience you will need + but he did not say you can't play unless you have +

darthv723969d ago

sony knew people would pay. If people paid to be part of PS+ then switching the multiplayer over to the same level of service makes more financial sense. People are already paying, they have to find a way to get new people to sign up.

I got ps+ and live gold. Im ready for both next gen platforms.

JackBNimble3969d ago

You get PS plus for PS Vita PS3 and PS4 all in one. One price for games on all 3 systems. I already have ps plus and all the games that have come out on it since day one.

Driveclub alone is worth a one year subscription of plus...

Anon19743969d ago

I'm of two minds about this. Plus as a subcription model is fantastic and well worth the price. I've been extremely happy as a Plus subscriber and had no intention of cancelling anytime soon.

Online play is a different beast. I don't agree for a second that we should be charged extra to play 100% of our titles. I didn't agree whem MS does it and I don't agree with Sony doing it. I think it's something that should be expected with our consoles and its a cash grab. If they wanted to charge for extras, I'm fine with that but basic multiplayer should be free.

At the end of the day it won't impact me. That doesn't make it cool though.

abzdine3969d ago

who doesn't have PS+ anyway? you wanna buy Drive Club? buy a PS+ cheaper then Drive club price and you have it at the same time.

specialguest3969d ago

i dont care how anyone tries to justify or spin this, this pay to use your own internet to play online is b/s! every negative thing people have said about paying for LIVE just to play the other half of the game you dont have access to unless you pay up can be applied to the PS4s online multiplayer paid service. i dont give a damn what you get extra with PS+ just like how I dont give a damn about LIVE's extra perks.

kreate3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

If i gotta pay... i might downgrade to the wii....

But xbox live clearly showed the corporations that charging for online play is ok.

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EcliPS33969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

You are incorrect sir. Multiplayer gaming will require a PS Plus Membership.

Disagrees? I am only stating facts. From Jack Trettons mouth no less.

xPhearR3dx3969d ago

I still find it funny all the Sony fanboys are like "Oh it's okay I have PS+ anyway, paying for online is no big deal". Yet, MS does it, and it's the end of the world. Goes to show you how pathetic fanboys are.

Either way, Sony's conference was a win. It lacked on the game side of things compared to MS, but the information and price revealed took the cake. I've always had XBL Gold, so paying for online doesn't bother me.

I shall be pre-ordering a PS4 shortly and I'll have my PC for Xbone "Exclusives". Sorry MS. You already lost.

joeorc3969d ago

Single player online play is still free, so no not all online play is charged to be played online.

darthv723969d ago

umm...whats an example of single player online game? Usually if its single player, it isnt "online". If its online then it isnt single player.

unless we are strictly talking leader boards? That really isnt online in the sense that 90% of the gamers believe online means.

DigitalRaptor3969d ago

Don't lump us together please. Although it's true that I will still be paying for PS+, I'm totally not okay to not being given the option to connect to basic online gameplay, and this is all MS and their fans' fault.

All the anti-consumer features you see on Xbox One - you can't only blame MS. The people who paid for things that should be free are the ones who truly set the wheels in motion for extra restrictions.

As it stands it's just a rumour, but I will be strongly against having my options removed. I'm kinda really conflicted by this.

BISHOP-BRASIL3969d ago

Actually Dragon's Dogma is completelly single player yet is has online connectivity way beyong leaderboards. I'm sure there are other examples.

Anyway, I believe he's talking about Xbox One online check-ups, meaning you have to pay even to play single player (not saying he's right at all, as it seens gold membership will still be optional, this is just what I believe he meant).

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Pandemic3969d ago

Sounds reasonable, for $5 per month, in return you'll probably be getting a game worth $20 or more for free for being apart of Playstation Plus, for example Drive Club, which I'm guessing will cost a fair bit once it's released.

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JsonHenry3969d ago

No, it IS required for multiplayer. He said so (by omission) and so did the slide on the screen stating it was required.

showtimefolks3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

Also by paying that $49.99 you get a brand new IP/game drive club for free so basically you are getting a service for free

$399 console
KZ,Drive club,knack at launch
No DRM
Can play used games
No need to connect to net

So I am giving Sony a free pass on paying to play but with them giving me drive club which I was buying for $60, so basically I save $10 m the game plus get PSN-plus

IcicleTrepan3969d ago

Those games are 'free' the same way netflix gives you 'free' movies. you stop paying and they go away. Either way I could care less, I'll probably still buy it.

showtimefolks3969d ago

IcicleTrepan

well thing is if you have a ps4 you will be keeping it for 5-8 years meaning you will keep up your psn-plus account for that long so game doesn't go away.

people don't have issue with MS charging but now all of the sudden paying for psn is a bad thing

also unlike MS sony is giving us a brand new IP as a free game unlike halo 3 and Ac2 games from a while back

what about all the other things they did right like not charging $100 extra and not having DRM or blocking used games

maybe this is why some 3rd party publishers are making exclusive games for xbox one since sony must have said no to blocking used games and drm

JackBNimble3969d ago

$50 a year for instant game collection... why would you stop paying? Or would it be better to pay full retail price for the same games. You still would come out on top with plus no matter how you look at it.

badkolo3969d ago

no its not, ps4 will have psn + which you will pay for to play online mulitplater, dont spin it

--Onilink--3969d ago

Plus is definitely worth it, but still a major blow to multiconsole owners, as now I know i would have to forcefully pay 2 subscriptions a year

Donnieboi3969d ago

Not for me. I have PS3, Vita, and getting ps4. So that's free games for all 3 systems every month.

Gothdom3969d ago

Do what you want, I'm not paying to play online.

King-u-mad3969d ago

You go ahead lmao. I'll be getting more than what its worth with plus :P

Man-E-Faces3969d ago

It's wrong of Microsoft to charge for online multiplayer and if this is true then it's wrong of Sony too. I don't like someone blocking my already paid internet service just so they can exploit their customers and fill their pockets more, especially when the servers are still shitty peer to peer. I guess all my multiplayer needs will be done on PC and WiiU.

Man-E-Faces3969d ago

So can we still use the share feature without PS+? Can we finally change our PSN ID without creating a new account? Lot's of little details are missing and need clarification!

Divine3969d ago

correction to my comment before. we do have to pay to play but. im not upset only because sony is way better in the way they went about it. i still dont like the idea. of it but hey now both consoles have it and the better choice is still ps4

Christopher3969d ago

The problem I have is I would do PS+ anyway for the extra features and games, but I don't want to support the idea of paying for online access to games.

Man-E-Faces3969d ago

This is exactly my feelings as well it's just not right when PC, WiiU and possibly still PS3, Vita are free, unless Sony blocks those 2 platforms too.

Aceman183969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

look i've been on PS+ since the beginning and its a great service.

honestly it sucks balls that we now have to pay to play online, but i feel that this was the concession to not having the system with all that drm, always checking in garbage.

its like someone here said something had to bring so i ask you all here what would you rather have

1
free online play with the drm restrictions
always checking in
no used games
no reselling of used games
possible fee on used games
paying to play online

2
no drm restrictions
never having to checking online to make sure your games play
being able to have offline play
no used games fees
still able to use media apps for free
for the first time in 7-8 now having to pay to play online

so choose each one which one of the models sounds like the best option for gamers.

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Brewski0073969d ago

But we're getting so much back. I think i can live with this ! :) PS plus has been good to me so far :)

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Virtual_Reality3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

The thing is with PS Plus is a service that gives you instant games collection for all sizes.

Look at the history of PS Plus right now.

Ipunchbabiesforfun3969d ago

is it? I took the less than $5 and times it by 12 for an average. Not too bad, but I surely enjoyed free

CGI-Quality3969d ago

Where are you people seeing this?

turnerdc3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

Did I hear that right? Jack was saying PS+ is required for "immersive multiplayer experiences" but people who didn't have it could enjoy single player? Regardless, good on them for no DRM!

Double_O_Revan3969d ago (Edited 3969d ago )

"For less then $5 a month, members will get Discounted games, Cloud Saves, Automatic Game updates, Early Access to Beta Programs, Instant Game Collection, & as well as the ability to FULLY Immerse themselves in the incredible PS4 games with online multiplayer. PS4 gamers that aren't PS+ Members will be able to enjoy SINGLE player games for Free, and access to all your media services won't require PS+."

That was directly from Jacks mouth from the show. Sounds like Multiplayer isn't free anymore.

EDIT*
Official video from Sony states that PSN+ is now required for multiplayer.
http://n4g.com/news/1277886...
Read fine print at the bottom.

TheDivine3969d ago

This is BS but we all knew it was coming especially with the cloud gaming and focus on social media/features. This is also why they couldn't do drm and block used games because they were already adding a bullshit pay to use your own Internet. If they did that on top of this fans would riot. Now they look like a savior while screwing us ps fans up the arse.

That said at least you can use Netflix, play sp, and all the main stuff I do with my ps3 right now. I've always hated how ms blocks out Netflix, Hulu exc. Stuff you already pay to use. I can see not having plus and enjoying my games and subs I already have. I also already have ps plus and think its fantastic and a must have. What I hate is forcing me to buy it by tying in mp. Otherwise its amazing.

CaptainSheep3969d ago

Doesn't matter. I'll renew my subscription anyway. :P

vlonjati77vlonjati3969d ago

i renewed it 2 days ago.I was gonna buy Drive club,when they annonced that is part of the ps plus I was really surprised.Go Sony Go http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i...

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How to recruit Lam in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

Lam is among the 120 characters available for recruitment in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes. While she is one of the many straightforward recruits, a known bug may prevent players from recruiting her if certain conditions are met. Despite developers’ assurances of fixing the bug, some early access players still encounter issues with recruiting Lam despite attempting the standard method.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow19h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos7h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos5h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje5h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon5h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum8h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum4h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola3h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum2h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

jambola2h ago

I agree
Your comment was pretty stupid

Rebel_Scum2h ago

I never said censorship is based on what I say dumbass. Just because I dont see this as censorship doesnt mean I’m saying others cant.

How about you come at me with your opinion rather than snarky comments with no thought on the matter.

SimpleDad5h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola3h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

Barlos2h ago

They'll probably make her trans

CobraKai4h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK4h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh4h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

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Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster Review – You Are Your Job, Apparently

Gary Green said: In a time where an enhanced, 3D remake of Final Fantasy III already exists, it’s hard to argue that Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster is the definitive version we were expecting. With Final Fantasy III already being the last in the series to be translated and make its way west, this is something of a slap in the face for the fans. Still, let’s not be disheartened. There may be many shortfalls in this edition of Final Fantasy III, however there’s no denying that this classic JRPG still holds some nostalgic value, even if it struggles to break away from its original hardware limitations.

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FACTUAL evidence9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

It’s funny I’m seeing these articles about pixel remaster, and I just platinumed 1-4 within 8 days lol. I’ve been on FF5 for about a week now. Let’s just say 5 was the start of FF having content like crazy. I should have the plat within 2-3 days.

MrBaskerville41m ago

The game being an accurate represantation of the original was not a slap in the face to the fans. The 3D remasters looked like ass (visually) tbh.