Has Microsoft Already Ruined the Xbox One?

Microsoft’s big day at E3, the world’s largest video game expo, has been tarnished – perhaps even sabotaged – before the convention begins. Fans, who have been waiting nearly seven years for the Xbox’s 360 next-generation successor, had their excitement turn to anger when it became clear that Microsoft would require internet connectivity and impose restrictions on how used games are re-sold and shared.

[Wizziokid]

With every bit of news the release things get worse, E3 is their last chance. if they mess that up then I have no idea what people see in the Xbox One

[Sandmano]

Even thought they release interesting looking exclusives I believe its too late.

[Wizziokid]

I will miss playing games like Halo but I just can't see myself paying money to partially own my games.

The last thing I want to do is support this direction MS is heading which, if successful you will see as the norm in the future generations.

[guitarded77]

I'm interested in a new Gears, Forza, Halo, etc, but the current online and privacy issues have me not buying one until possible way later in its lifecycle.

Now this rumor from NeoGAF saying that MS is paying 3rd party pubs to not show their games on PS4 at E3 has me really disturbed. I'm taking it as it is (a rumor), but if it turns out to be true, that would be another huge strike against the XBOX One.

I thought Nintendo screwed up with their initial reveal of the Wii U, but MS has taken it to a whole 'nother level. They are being shady with the gamers, and it looks like they have aligned themselves with the publishers and not the developers and gamers.

[fr0sty]

This is what I've felt I'm seeing every day leading up to the E3 press conference...

[Man-E-Faces]

Your post is 1 of the most truest I have ever laid eyes upon not only on here N4G but any other gaming forum,
thank you!

[fr0sty]

"Now this rumor from NeoGAF saying that MS is paying 3rd party pubs to not show their games on PS4 at E3 has me really disturbed. I'm taking it as it is (a rumor), but if it turns out to be true, that would be another huge strike against the XBOX One. "

I'm a gaming journalist and have been for many years. I've attended press events where Microsoft paid to have their logos plastered all over the lobby, even on the napkins, and only Xbox 360 consoles were present. No PS3 version was shown at all (THQ was especially bad about this.), or if it was shown it was on two or three TVs vs. 30-40 for Xbox. In other words, Microsoft has already been doing this for a long time, just not on the scale that they apparently are these days.

I also have seen them do similar things at E3, but not on the scale they are rumored to be doing this year.

I miss when companies used the merits of their own games to sell them, rather than tossing piles of cash around to give the impression of a preference for their product. Thankfully some still do let their games sell themselvess, but this is still disappointing to see none the less.

[ABizzel1]

@fr0sty

I don't know about paying third parties, but I wouldn't be shocked if they're paying the media off. Perfect example Spike TV is airing the EA and M$ conference, but passing on Sony and Nintendo.

I'm sure being having exclusive coverage of M$'s conference in the pass hasn't had any effect on this decision, or the fact that the X1 needs all the positive press it can get seeing how the PS4 is demolishing it amongst the core.

Shady underhanded tactics like this, just makes me dislike M$ even more.

[fr0sty]

I can confirm I have never seen this in practice. While I did get showered with gifts and free all expenses paid trips to New York, L.A., Vegas, etc. to attend press events (a common industry practice used by all), I never got cash outright from any publisher or developer. Not saying it has never happened, but I haven't personally observed it.

Spike not airing Sony is due to Sony having their conference during prime time. No network is going to change their prime time programming just to cover a video game conference. I've also spent time working in television so I know how that all goes. Nintendo isn't even doing an E3 conference, opting instead to release some nintendo direct videos to the public, so that explains that.

I don't doubt that MS has engaged in some shady tactics with the media, but I just don't see the link with the Spike TV thing. My gut tells me if Sony's conference was at noon rather than 6-9pm (depending on time zone), we'd be seeing it on Spike as well.

I'm no fan of MS, but I have to be fair about it.

[Sono421]

Now hold on you guys.. just wait till E3 where Microsoft will announce all of those games you can license ;)

Seriously though, one thing I just thought of.. what if for some reason your Xbox One breaks and you have to get a new one.. then you will always be limited to the 1 hour rule.. your screwed. Also aren't they technically preventing you from buying a used system with the way they set this up? I would think so if they link your account to your system, unless you can somehow deactivate it from the system but doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of these hoops? Wouldn't that be a way around it? So F***ing confusing... seriously... why M$

But imagine later down the road when the Next consoles come out after PS4 and Xbox One and the servers are taken down for Xbox One.. You can't even go back and play old singleplayer games(offline).. so you should just sell them... oh wait...

[ShwankyShpanky]

@fr0sty: re Spike/Sony/primetime

But isn't Spike showing a run of the movie DodgeBall during the Sony presser? It's not like they're skipping Sony to show some hot new primetime material.

[Sandmano]

Yeah I always enjoy playing the latest Halo game and also gears. I had high hopes that MS might just sway me this gen but Sony just stole the show.

[kneon]

Sony isn't stealing the show, it's been handed to them on a silver platter.

I hope they hang on tight and not drop it.

[Dee_91]

This is the first time im gonna actually pass on games because of principle, and it sucks a lot.My gamer side keeps telling my integrity to just give up and buy it, but I have to keep telling myself theres a bigger picture and hoping this will make an impact for a better future.
Even though I doubt PS4 will have any type of DRM XBOne has, this goes for PS4 too.
Honestly its bigger than PS4 vs XBOne,its bigger than the future of gaming too.This is about rights and our rights to own what we buy.
You say " oh where I live the internet goes out so I wont have any issues" or these restrictions dont effect me, or we are making this bigger than it really is, we should be making this a bigger deal.

[Mr_Nuts]

I don't think E3 will do any good, they could announce a crap load of games but the negatives out weigh the possistives. Lets not forget they're only doing that to lure us in, after those games you'll hardly see a new IP from them again

[TheEvilWithin]

Umm SOOOO true... Lets Look at Xbox 360 for starts. Mass Effect, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Witcher 2... these are just a few that Xbox used to entice people in then latterly they drop them and BOOM there muti system sellers... Xbox 1 can shove it up there A$$ with there exclusives. If I was to buy an Xbox 1 it would be at yard sale in the junk box for $5 bucks... Hell they might pay ME to take it from them.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Xbox is bad terrible, they lost, anti this, anti that, Sony wins by default blah, blah blah whatever.

Good god its getting old....

All these posts are just filled the same stuff over and over and over and over and over again(annoying right?).

Just don't buy the stupid console boycott it whatever. Instead of parroting the same stuff over and over and over again. This goes for eeeeverybody here.

Good lord its giving me a headache.

EDIT: @Nuts You know what I mean. I'm sick and tired of everyone saying the same thing all the time in EVERY SINGLE article every second.

In the Forza article or in the article where Xbox 360 is suppose to have a huge game coming for it, its the same people spouting the same stuff.

It doesn't help that people on this site already don't like MS to begin with.

Its damn near impossible to properly speculate anything in MS related articles without all the parroting. Listen, literally the only thing that bothers me is the no offline play that's killer, absolutely killer, a deal breaker. That's one MS has to change because internet isn't perfect. I get it, I don't like what MS is doing either.

If MS brings some crazy games I personally won't be able to contain my excitement for the console it will be hard.

You don't hear me saying Anti, this, that Sony wins its too late for MS blah, blah just don't buy it at launch and stop complaining. Again this goes for everyone.

Now what exactly am I defending?

[Mr_Nuts]

Angelic, you do the same thing by trying to defend them and then saying your sick of peoples posts all the time. A little hypocritical...no?

[MoonGazing]

Nope they pretty much blew it i live in NYC and i have bummy TWC as my internet provider and i cannot tell you how many times they F'ed up my internet.Ive had to wait 2-3 days for them to fix it each time so the 24hour check in is a definite NO.
4>1

[Testfire]

"E3 is their last chance"

Really? The direction of the brand has already been set, that's not going to change. It doesn't matter what shiny, new games they show, their policies have already been laid out for us to see. It's game over for them in my mind.

[Bhuahahaha]

its 4>U>1

[ginsunuva]

E3 last chance? I don't know how they're gonna reverse the confirmed stuff.

[CaEsAr-]

Yes

[Sandmano]

LOOL straight answer.

[RandomDude655]

Without a doubt.....tv tv tv tv tv sports tv tv tv tv tv dog

It was worse than Sony 2006, but at least Sony was showing games. Don't think they can recover.

Edit: and it wasn't just the reveal...they've been going down that path for the last couple years. All the people that cared about gaming left the xbox division

[shuuwai]

And little fishes.
Serial key, it's a 50/50. I may try to look the other way. DRM. I hated EA for doing that to the simcity.
Example: waiting 25 minutes to reconnect. The best part is waiting another 25 minutes if it fail to log the user in their crap servers, reason being it's full. I could see server crash day one on x1, it happen blizzard, EA, Ubisoft. History will repeat itself on X1.

[Golden30]

its.... tv tv tv tv sports sports tv tv tv forza5 breakdown tv tv tv tv dog dog dog
to be exactly

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Another insecure fanboy thread and article that has no merit at ll.

[LostDjinn]

The article is from a tech site that has nothing to do with videogames. They're simply advising their readers on MSs' policies regarding XBOne as stated by MS.

It's not a smear using grey language like MS "could", "may", "might" or anything of the sort to imply guilt on MSs' behalf (as there is no lack of proof and as such no requirement for the author get creative when writing it). No, this is just an explanation of a straight up set of quotes from MS.

How does that make this piece "Another insecure fanboy" anything? It also decimates your argument that this piece "has no merit at ll" (I'll assume you mean all here shall I?).

Tell you what Frigid. I'll just leave this here http://dictionary.reference... with some friendly advice that you seek help. The impact this is having on you isn't healthy.

[Wintersun616]

What a strong counter argument against the article you got there pal. Good job!

/S

[mario19]

Frigid, go home, your drunk

[Bigpappy]

If these guys are so paranoid now, what will happen when all games go Digital Downloaded. Who will they resell those and lend them to friends. Before this coming gen is finished, most games will be downloaded. M$ actually has a policy that allows for games to be shared and traded on Xbox 1. That same policy could be applied to downloaded games.

[Excalibur]

Since May 21 and beyond every time M$ opens their mouths I cringe more and become less and less interested in their vision of Next Gen.

At this point I don't care if they announce 100 Kinect free exclusives at E3, I'm just not interested.

[-Mika-]

No, gamers overreacting to MS policies is what ruining the Xbox one.

[KillrateOmega]

No. What's been ruining the Xbox brand as of late has been MS's poor decisions in regards to the handling of the One.

It's nobody's fault, but their own.

[V0LT]

Overreacting? LOL! With these polices why should anyone buy this console? They should lease it to customers since you don't own anything you do with it let alone use it offline.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[pr0t0typeknuckles]

overreacting,to used used game BS,and DRM,and system thats destined to become a useless brick with games that will eventually become coasters after the servers go offline,yeah your right were all overreacting,we have nothing to be mad about,gosh your so smart
C'MON SON!

[mario19]

Mika oh, I think you meant to say under reacting. It's okay though we understand

On a more serious note, it is really great that people are actually doing something about this

[Majin-vegeta]

Man i wish i could just write everything.I wanna say but I dont wanna get banned.

[Mr_Nuts]

Ha I know right...i mean we have to censor our bad language because they think under age kids will see it LOL

[Hicken]

I feel your pain.

[MysticStrummer]

Yup. You can lose bubbles and be marked a troll by telling the truth around here if the right people get their panties in a wad.

N4G for ya.

[Karpetburnz]

Well if you can't express your hate for Microsoft, instead, express your love for Sony, that's what I do.

Thank you Sony for listening and caring for us, you are our last hope in a dark time and you never let us down, love to learn and learn to love the Playstation way, our saviour, our legend, our Sony.

God bless you Sony.

[gano]

Gotdammit n4g.
Now you got to limit the great prince vegeta.
Bring back the open zone so he can show his true power.
Will it be over 9000?

[Why o why]

Trus me. Im not even trying to lose bubbles on that ****** *** ***** ****** **** * * ** ****, not even

Anyway their console is now less of a viable purchase but it wont be ruined for some and thats fair enough for them. Many are 'jumping ship' whilst many perceive those who are sticking with the x1 as those 'going down with the ship' ... e3 or bust for me me personally. Ms aren't bereft of a few tricks and not all of them are negative so we'll see

[GreenRanger]

It was ruined the second they announced it, and it's only gotten worse by the day.

Microsoft will probably announce that it has wheels that it uses to roll around your house after you.

[mario19]

Well if that is the case, then I will just jump in a huge pile of shit

[Belking]

you fanboys don't have a clue what you're talking about nor, do you know anything about how to run a business. people said similar things about PS3 before it launched and sony survived even though they were damn near broke. And really dude, a power ranger...lol

[mario19]

Lol those people were xbot fanboys. This is different. This is everyone

Oh, is being anti-consumer the right way to run a business? Wow Belking, your a smart man

[MysticStrummer]

The backlash against PS3 was because of price and the difficulty in programming for the Cell.

The One backlash is for very different reasons, and more of them.

[00]

Sony survived because they fixed a lot of the problems they had at launch, the only people who are supporting the xbox one are the idiotic fan boys.

it should be the 360 fans that are/should be angry at MS because they are trying to screw us over and I'm not taking any part of their BS and true gamers shouldn't either.

[pr0t0typeknuckles]

woah,now calm down sir your talking to the legendary green ranger,show some respect.

[MrSwankSinatra]

obviously you don't know how buisness works neither and as far as comparing xbox one to ps3, you have got be really naive to even make that comparison. the ps3 didn't alienate the millions of people who don't have internet, they're alienating the people who can't afford new games all the time so they buy used. get over yourself

[Karpetburnz]

When you're unfamiliar with Sony and world class gaming, I can understand how misguided you are, Don't worry son, everyone has a place in their heart for Sony, someday you will embrace Playstation and Sony will reward you, learn to love and love to learn the Playstation way, our legend, our saviour, our Sony. God bless you.

[younglj01]

tbh I think so....

[MysticStrummer]

Tough to say until the thing releases, but I think they've made several critical errors in their design choices and policy decisions that will cost them many sales worldwide.

[Mr Blings]

Yes. It's Game Over for me with Xbox. Any person defending/planning on purchasing an Xbox ONE should be required to ride the small bus and where a helmet for the rest of their living days.

It's crazy how the true Xbox ONE released 12 years ago was sooo much cooler than this. I don't even know what to call it, I guess just Sh*t box.

[FightFans]

Not yet, wait till E3 but they disappointed a lot people, including me on their last presentation.

[Pittoo]

The XBox One is Boned.

[elhebbo16]

they started with naming xbox one.

[Pinkdolphin]

Im pretty sure these policies were not Microsofts idea. We all know for a fact they would rather sell a couple more consoles than sell less games because of piracy i mean thry dont have many exclusives as is. They were obviously pressured by publishers and if you think sony is somehow exempt from DRM your flat out dreaming. Lets be real if sony was truely against DRM they would have already said that they will not allow it to be done by publishers. Instead they said its their choice which is basically confirmation of DRM do you guys honestly think ea or activision would, if given the option to, would spare the consumer from it? Think about who we are talking about here gosh dang it!!! Hell the proof is in the pudding watchdogs, a confirmed ps4 title, requires to be constantly connected to the internet to play single player. There thats 1 DRM game on ps4 already. I dont want to by any means sound arrogant but if you disagree with me your just setting yourself up for a major let down and on top of that like a retard for spending hours bashing the xbone then come to find out you cant play the newest game because ea wont let you without internet verification.

[breakpad]

we dont care ...because we will not buy crapboxone ...MS learn to respect the consumers assholes

[denawayne]

I'll be buying the Xbox One. Here's why. I have never resold any of my past games nor do I really go back and play them. When I spend $20-$40 on a game (I usually wait till they drop in price), I get my money's worth from playing the game and then I'm done with it. It's like going out to a dinner and a movie. What do you have to show when that $75 night is over? So the DRM part does not bother me one bit. When it comes to checking in online, guess what? My 360 has been connected since day one. Once again, this does not bother me. Having the Kinect always plugged in I can live without but it is what it is. Oh well, it's not a deal breaker. When it comes to lending games, I only do it with a few select friends who are always connected (on the 360) anyways.

Here's the thing, a lot of people are in the same situation as me. They will buy the Xbox One not because they are sheep but because a lot of this stuff that "true gamers" are upset about really doesn't affect them. I will drop my money to experience whatever Xbox One has to offer and then I'll move on when I'm done. I have other things to worry about than to worry if my game is really mine or if Kinect is spying on me. I personally don't feel I will be screwed over this next generation by either company. They're giving me 10-100+ hours of entertainment for next to nothing. That's far from being screwed over.

I think people on this board need to step back and say to themselves "I don't like what MS is doing so I will speak with my wallet" instead of constantly posting articles and writing posts about the doom and gloom of the Xbox One.

By the way, I will be purchasing a PS4 as well. I can't wait till Christmas. Life's good.

Now, having said all that, I do respect everyone's opinion about the issues at hand.

[SOULJER]

Hey DW since you respect everyone opinion. I think at the feet of politicking fools, like yourself is where the blame should be laid. The purchase of a x-box is like telling Micro$oft. Your just fine with their anti-american anti-gamer ways. Well check this out you, and Micro$oft can get bent. Real hard jail style, and don't bother replying back. Because of sandwich boy like you. I only have one bubble. I never go back to check comments on numby's anyway.

[denawayne]

You're exactly what's wrong with this site. Nothing intelligent to say, literally.

[Nizulo]

Denawayne, c'mon, you can tell us. You work for Microsoft hey?

[Plagasx]

E3 is their last chance.

[xkevmandc]

let the truth be told...xbox1 is a better system, it have services, TV, software, and yes GAMES. it dose more then PS4. if you own a PS3.why you need a PS4......SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

[R00bot]

Great. I really wanted to watch TV on my TV through the Xbox One. Great...

[wastedcells]

I think it all started with the 360. RROD, live fees and slow second half of this gen. Most people I know have already switched to a ps3, PC or ipad. Even with halo 4 and gears 3 selling well I think people just got tired and wanted something new.

[ruefrak]

You forgot to add the scratched disc problem, jet-engine loud fan, constant ads on the dashboard, lack of respect for indie developers... I guess the list just keeps going.

[jimbobbeers]

N4G is cringeworthy. Anyone who says E3 is their last chance and you immediately get disagrees from Sony fans. But guess what, they could do pants at E3 and it'll STILL sell, deal with it.

[R00bot]

Yes, they could do really badly at E3 and still sell. The only problems I have with it is that you have to pay for online, 24hour check-in, no games except COD and EA sports, you have to pay for used games a second time and the PS4 is more powerful after all of that and has a better controller.

It's not that I don't like it, I'm really looking forward to watching TV on it...
It just doesn't have anything going for it at the moment.

[jimbobbeers]

Its funny, cause the majority of information you just said is opinion based not actually factual, take your tongue out of Sony's backside for a moment.

So yes it is "that you don't like it". Clearly.

[ShwankyShpanky]

>> majority of information you just said is opinion based not actually factual

"you have to pay for online" FACT
"24hour check-in" FACT
"no games except COD and EA sports" FACT is, that's all that's been shown
"you have to pay for used games a second time" maybe (depends on pub)
"PS4 is more powerful" FACT
"has a better controller" opinion

[R00bot]

It's funny 'cos I'm not a Sony fanboy, my favourite company is Nintendo (ATM).
But what is obvious is that YOU are a Microsoft fanboy, jimbobbeers.

[quenomamen]

Well they still had a shot at turning this thing around going into E3, but then they started cancelling all the interviews and post show press stuff. You would think they would of gone balls out and try anything to get the press on their side, shit start handing out 100 dollar bills for people to yell XBOX ONE outloud. Do something, instead of just taking your ball and going home.

[Supermax]

Slap ms in the mouth watch Sonys e3 coverage on Xbox live threw ign app they can't stop that.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Wow...I was wondering why I didn't see Sony's conference listed on my dvr guide!I was like...."fuck....where 9;s Sony?".really shitty and underhanded tactics from microshit...

[Astargatis]

It's not about ruining Xbox One, it's about ruining game industry...

[medman]

Microsoft has soiled their panties, and I'm not cleaning up the mess. I don't want anything to do with her.

[Artificial_Ignorance]

I will never buy an Xbox One. No chance in hell.

[SonyPS4]

For me they have, but the masses will buy this in droves despite the rage on the internet. Look at all the ranging from the past over L4D, CoD MW2 and XBL $60 price, apparently it changed nothing.

[Thomaticus]

MS will do what it takes to get consumers to come back. But right now they are going to stick to their plans and see if they can still get sales from consumers who either don't care or don't know. But later they'll come up with something to convince those who initially passed on the console to pick it up.

[airgangstarr]

i now know why they call it the xbox 1 becasue it will have similar sales as the first xbox

[Platinum_k]

I really dont see what the big deal is with DRM. Buying new games isnt too bad for me. Unless I'm missing something from the dreaded DRM, XboxOne functions and features isn't really too bad at all.

and what the hell is this whole thing about "buying partial of the game"?

Can Somebody answer this for me?

[jjb1981]

I was going to buy one anyway since I owned the last two gens but now it's definitely a no buy. I have traded in and sold all my old games. Now I can't and its just not worth it, especially if they keep charging for Xbox live