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The PlayStation 4 could be as restricted as the Xbox One

Darryl Linington from ITF Gaming writes: Microsoft has finally come clean regarding everything related towards DRM and second hand games. However, once reading through the confessional, one tends to realise that the lockdown on second hand games as well as having access to an internet connection may not just be a Microsoft thing.

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TrevorPhillips3975d ago

Sony wouldn't mess up, so I doubt the PS4 would be restricted!

F4sterTh4nFTL3975d ago

Makes you wonder why Microsoft would go through with this when Sony was not, and why are Big Publishers supporting Sony if it still allows used games. I have a feeling Sony was too scared to go first seeing how rabid its fanbase is and Microsoft had the balls to come clean knowing that they will always have there loyal COD and Halo crowd to sell there systems no matter what they do.

Seraphemz3975d ago

" ..knowing that they will always have there loyal COD and Halo crowd to sell there systems no matter what they do. "

that is a very sad statement...

InTheLab3975d ago

They had the balls to go first....real stand up guys over at MS...

Captain Qwark 93975d ago

this^^^ if people think that users arent going to experience similar restrictions on a very similar product they are crazy.

if im a publisher for example, i can make a game on one console where it cant be resold or is but with restrictions, and pretty much anytime it exchanges hands/owners i profit or i put it on a console where i lose money when/if that happens. why do i even bother with he second one then?

is it greedy, yeah but it is what it is. i dont see sony exempt from this, if they are, thats fantastic but i highly doubt it

Bluepowerzz3975d ago

really all these microsoft spin guys are so sad

RenegadeRocks3975d ago

Had the balls? LOL ! Consumers are getting fucked over by companies and u say they have balls to do it ! LOL ...no wonder such stuff still sells. I will never get why people bow down to such shit and buy thier stuff.

If all consoles go this way, I will have to go back to PC and NOT pay them any money. THey can have a quartet set of balls and go through bankruptcy ! I won't give a damn.

I own what I own, if the game is to be rented I won't pay full price. As simple as that !

TRGMatt3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

lol...well, that's one way to look at it I suppose :p

SoapShoes3975d ago

@Quark 9 - It may work for publishers at the beginning but if no one buys the Xbox One they won't be making games for it no matter how friendly the restrictions are to them. If PS4 also has this and no one buys it and everyone goes to Wii U, do you really expect publishers to make games where no one is playing?

ginsunuva3975d ago

@SoapShoes

No one in their right minds would go to Wii U. They'd play on PC, silly.

JokesOnYou3975d ago

"This means that if publishers are indeed in control of how their games operate on each console, then Sony and the PlayStation 4 would have to adhere to the same restrictions that Microsoft has been placed on the chopping block for… right?"

^^^^This.

unchartedxplorer3975d ago

Microsoft have the balls. Just like they have the balls NOT to have an e3 press conference roundtable?

NatureOfLogic3975d ago

While Xbox one is DESIGNED to allow publishers control, PS4 is not(the reason there's no internet connection required). If publishers choose to block PS4 games it will have to do with their servers and not the PS4 hardware, meaning that there will be many games that doesn't require internet just to play like the Xbox one. Blocking PS4 will be like publishers putting Internet required to play across all of their games which would be financial suicide, especially considering there WILL BE GAMES that don't enforce such restrictions. Some publishers will use these restrictions against other games to their advantage.

Captain Qwark 93975d ago

@soapshoes

i agree, and maybe that will be the case maybe it wont be but one thing is for sure, the majority of consumers arent those on this website. most of them just arent that educated on the products they buy and all these restrictions will likely be a punch in the face after they already bought it.....but thats the problem, "already bought it" which means its sold, done deal and unless they either return it or sell it, which some will but the majority wont, then that means increased install base, which means people will want games which means publishers will have that choice

blackbeld3975d ago

Nah, I don't think so.

They already stated it clearly and also #NOPS4DRM campaign is clear.

Xbone spinners site marked.

yesmynameissumo3975d ago

"This means that if publishers are indeed in control of how their games operate on each console, then Sony and the PlayStation 4 would have to adhere to the same restrictions that Microsoft has been placed on the chopping block for… right?"

You don't see the contradiction? If publishers are in control of how their games operate ON EACH CONSOLE, Sony can do what they want and allow what they want on their console. Just b/c MS is anti-gamer, anti-consumer doesn't mean Sony or the PS4 will be too.

loulou3975d ago

lets just wait and see what sony says at e3.

tehy have already stated that they would let the publishers decide. it seems to me that m$ just echoed what they said.

the fanboys will assplode when sony announces the same restrictions and admits that they are part of the partner plan next week.

unchartedxplorer. have sony confirmed a round table at e3?? microsoft will still be speaking to the journalists.. just like sony will

Darrius Cole3975d ago

Folks, this is just not possible without an internet connection, which the PS4 does not require, AND online registration, which the PS4 does not require.

All this wishful thinking on behalf of Microsoft is understandable, but not accurate.

Microsoft really mis-judged the market by this much. Sony did not make the same mistake.

Personally, I think Microsoft got misled because they were able to get away with charging people to play online over their own internet connections and figured that those same people would go for this DRM. But regardless of why they thought it, it is now clear that they did. Phil Harrison understood it and explained it to us perfectly.

InTheLab3975d ago

"They had the balls to go first....real stand up guys over at MS..."

Was sarcasm and it's a damn shame I have to explain that.

I mean, they actually SAT DOWN and cooked up this anti-gamer/consumer bulls*** and wrapped it into the worst console in gaming history. I mean, without the internet, It's red ring ALL THE TIME.

There's nothing stand up about that. Are you guys new or something?

JokesOnYou3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

@yesmynameissumo, are you that naive sony has said its up to the publisher, if they were going to refuse any type of drm they would have just said "we wont allow any used game drm"....so what does it matter *how they design their consoles in regards to drm, if EA decides to charge a fee the end result whether on X1 or ps4 is you're going to have to pay or not buy EA games. Sony sure is hell isn't going to cut EA off from their platform....its business.

yesmynameissumo3975d ago

@jokes

Sony has also said they have no Internet requirement, no game registration requirement and are not blocking used games. EA could easily collect $ from a PS4 online pass, as that is the choice they have as a publisher on Sony's hardware. It is business and EA needs Sony as much as Sony needs EA.

The_Con-Sept3975d ago

You all seem to forget that developers can be as restrictive as MS. But I don't think a single development company would pursue this on any level as the responsibility is all on their decision instead of Sony themselves.

Skips3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

If Sony DOES NOT adhere to the same restrictions. MUCH MUCH more people will support PS4, in turn giving the PS4 a much larger install base than the Xbone.

No matter how much EA beats their chest, they're definitely not going to miss out on the PS4 install base.

gaffyh3974d ago (Edited 3974d ago )

As much as I like to blame MS for all of this DRM stuff, it is looking likely that Sony will also have a similar DRM system (although the lack of online requirement pretty much confirms that it will be nowhere near as limiting as the Xbone).

We probably should be blaming the publishers, because I can easily see that EA and Activision had a hand in this announcement, and it was probably one of the reasons why they were both at the MS press conference. If PS4 goes DRM-free, and COD: Ghosts is exclusive to XBone (obviously it would have to be just that console not PS3 or 360 either), XBone wins, simply because the game is way too popular. I don't think Activision would have the balls to do that, so I hope to God that Sony has the balls to stand up to the publishers and say no DRM or at least, completely optional DRM (i.e. if you want to install the game and play without the disc, this is what you have to agree to, but you don't have to etc.).

Darrius Cole3974d ago

@gaffyh

No game is big enough to overwhelm all this DRM bad news, not even COD. There are wayyy to many military shooters for COD to pull someone into a console as bad the Xbone.

Patrick3974d ago

Microsoft built this into their console, Sony does not have to go down the same path. The crap Microsoft is doing is their own design. If they made a console without it do you really think the game makers would refuse to put out games on their console? No, they wouldnt. This is All Microsoft. And if they get away with this, they will take it further. Its them trying to take complete control of what you do with what you buy. I will not support this.

JokesOnYou3974d ago (Edited 3974d ago )

"This is All Microsoft"

lol, Patrick so naïve, Yet micro confirmed this:

"Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

"Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...

-This is definitely being pushed by publishers when you consider micro isn't being compensated....and you sound so hypocritical bashing microsoft but if sony does drm its all microsofts fault because of course sony doesn't have ANY choice....Nintendo says hi.

Saigon3974d ago

I think the point that people are missing overall is that there are two types of DRM applied in this situation. We have software/medium DRM and we have console/hardware DRM. Software DRM is will be applied through the publisher but for verification it needs a internet connection. Hardware DRM is something totally different. Meaning that the content placed on the console is being controlled by the console not the software applied.

Sony is applying software DRM, allowing the publishers to control how the content is applied through their system. MS is however using both Software and hardware DRM where MS is controlling the content on the system as well as the publishers controlling the software applied to the platform.

From that how is Sony applying any DRM rules. The only DRM rules that I see is from MS. If Sony decides to apply hardware DRM rules, than this is something of another matter. Sony, has already stated that the system will allow used games and play off-line. How can DRM be applied via those scenarios. Unless the codecs on the BR disk are implied to only relay or publish on one system. IDK, the best thing to do is wait on E3, which is a couple of days away to find out the information.

Panthers3974d ago

This is all I am going to say. There is absolutely no benefit to owning an online only console unless the games can all be purchased online and they are cheaper. (eg. Steam)

However, MS is not doing that. We still have to buy discs and we still have to pay full price. Anyone defending this is either a paid employee or complete fanboy. Its disgusting that any consumer would purchase this, and say to Microsoft "I am ok having you take away my rights as a consumer"

Every restriction that the new Xbox has is simply to benefit the developer/MS. None of it is for the consumer.

xxLuckyStrike3974d ago

meanwhile Seraphemz on his PS3.... logs out of Multiplat title and puts on Netflix for the evening

Patrick3974d ago

@Jokes on you
"Patrick so naïve"

Id rather be naïve than ignorant, and supporting this kind of corporate control over what you own is ignorant. I mean, if your internet goes out you cant even play games. In the future when they stop supporting it, you wont even be able to go back and play what you paid for... no nostalgia gaming here. Not everyone has internet or lives in an area that allows for anything more than dial up, if that. I honestly hope the Xbone fails big time. We need to send a message that we arent going to support such a crackdown on what we own.
I mean, I wouldnt even be able to take my own game to my brothers house to play it with him with this kind of restrictions. There are better ways to get people to buy new games as opposed to used.

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Gazondaily3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

MS might drag Sony down in this regard, but I don't think it would be anywhere near to the extent that MS are doing it simply because the X1 appears to be designed with mechanisms that have these restrictions in place.

Still, its a cause for concern and like I've said before, I really hope Sony against this trend that MS trying to set up.

B-radical3975d ago

Im confused when it comes to xbox one rules it says you can give a game to one person on your friends list if the have been on there for 30 days and can only do it once which isnt a big deal but does that mean you can buy one game and have unlimited use of it for yourself and a friend at the same time?

kneon3975d ago

@B-radical

No, once you give it away it is no longer yours so you can't play it.

loulou3975d ago

septic. do you know what mechanisms sony have implemented into the ps4 then?

this is coming to the ps4 as well. save this thread

torchic3975d ago

loulou

the key here is always online/mandatory check-ins

Sony have clearly come out and said the PS4 can be played completely offline, i.e they don't have their own fancy infrastructure that does all these constant checks and so forth.

I think it will be up to publishers. if you, N4G Publishers want your game to have a launch lock then Sony have a system in place which allows your game and only yours to be always online so you can carry out your policies as you wish. SCE on the other hand will leave all their games completely free of restrictions.

Microsoft is going one unnecessary step ahead with their policies and tech.

Machiavellian3974d ago

Yes, Sony said that the PS4 can be played offline and so can the X1. Its all in the details which people continue to forget.

Sony stated that Online checks is up to the publishers. Meaning if publishers want their game to support some type of online check then Sony will support it. If one console supports Online checks, why do people think that publishers will not have the same system in place on the PS4.

The difference is that Sony is playing around with words but I believe they will face more heat for not being honest. Sony could have easily stated their "Publishers" DRM and how that will affect their customers but they are willing to ride this wave of good will for as long as possible.

4Sh0w3974d ago (Edited 3974d ago )

Machiavellian

I agree I cant imagine any scenario where publishers for example are going to charge a fee for the 2nd owner for BF4 on X1 while then saying to sony well its OK 2nd hand owners for the ps4 version can play without any fees. Its going to be both or none for each publisher since both sony and microsoft have said its up to publishers anyway.= Theres only 1 other potential scenario, sony does what nintendo seems to have done which is refuse publishers demands for new drm and look at how 3rd party support has impacted wii u. I just dont see sony willing to take that blow.

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attilayavuzer3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

The more articles I read on this, the more likely it seems both consoles will have roughly the same restrictions-or at least the option of the same restrictions-just that Sony will have an out by saying "Well we left it up to publishers so don't get mad at us". Obviously theres still that ridiculous 24 hour check in thing on the Xbox, but otherwise I don't think there'll be much difference.

I think the most interesting thing will be to see if Sony locks their first party titles.

kneon3975d ago

Without the forced online Sony can't do the same sort of DRM. I expect any DRM would be along the lines of online passes.

Anon19743975d ago

Not much of an article. Read the title and you've pretty much read all this has to offer.

And given the fact that Sony has already stated you'll never have to take the PS4 online if you don't want to, I don't know how it could be as restrictive as what Microsoft is proposing.

Why o why3975d ago

They wont listen dude... captain qwark the shill has been trying to 'sony too' since this whole fiasco began. Up to developers means its in their hands, not sonys, just like it is now. Online passes is another issue though. That will need clarification as that falls within the used game subject matter.

greenpowerz3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

Sony would be sealing their own doom if they allow MSFT to better protect developer software.

For all we know Sony's unwillingness to make a choice could be part of the reason MSFT has made historic exclusive partnerships with devs like Respawn and EA, not deals but partnerships. If Sony doesn't follow more and more will do what EA did.

Geoff Keighley said he has heard from his sources Sony has something similar so all might not be lost.

Companies like Respawn and EA know gamers will get internet to play Azura cloud enhanced versions of Battlefield 4/5/6 etc etc.

The reality is most likely that both companies were pushed to do this by the developers and publishers. MSFT had the guts to come out with it first, with MSFT knowing their market strength was far greater and could take the massive hit also at the same time taking advantage of deals made by devs for embracing it first and fully.

kneon3975d ago

How exactly are they going to do something similar when they have said that the PS4 does not require online? The answer is they won't. Single player will likely be the same as it is today and any DRM will most likely be related to online, just as it is today for many games.

Karpetburnz3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

Sometimes, all you got to do is thank Sony for all that they have done for us, it doesn't matter which camp you come from, so please GreenPowerz, join me and experience and indulge in our loving community and be rewarded with world class gaming, the Playstation way. thank you Sony.

Ron_Danger3975d ago

So what happens if your Internet connection cuts out or slows down because of bad weather? Will you still be able to play those enhanced Azure cloud games?? Or will they just default to lower resolution, lower AI versions of their former selves?

grassyknoll3975d ago

Do you think when you type?

Godlovesgamers3975d ago

@greenpowerz

"Sony would be sealing their own doom if they allow MSFT to better protect developer software."

By this comment alone it's easy to determine that you either work for Microsoft or a developer/publisher backing this anti consumer agenda, why else would you so short sightedly put first the needs of developers in this argument?

Now that we know whose pocket you have your hands in, it's time for a reality check. The market is determined by the wants and needs, supply and demand of consumers, not the suppliers.

Sony will be sealing MSFT doom if they implement policies that don't violate the rights, trusts and privacy of consumers as MSFT does because believe it or not, people actually DON"T PREFER TYRANNY IN ANY FORM.

People prefer FREEDOM, which is why if Sony advocates for the consumer and doesn't bow down to these tyrannical business practices put forth by these greedy, pathetic, money hungry developers and publishers, then the PS4 will be the obvious choice for consumers and developers will be forced to follow or make games for a console no one will play leading of course to their financial collapse.

It's not rocket science.

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OlgerO3975d ago

You are wrong, They have no choice but to implement something on used games. I predict it to be better then microsofts plans though.

xxLuckyStrike3974d ago

DRM and online checks, who'd thought that 20 years ago on my NES SNES. Under powered closed PC's with restrictions, May as well build a PC to my liking and go on a shopping spree @ steam

mmccarthy43975d ago

Sony really has to do almost nothing and they automatically win over a large audience. I think sony realises this and will market the shit out of it for the next few months

Godlovesgamers3975d ago (Edited 3975d ago )

It's been my experience that Companies work together to consumer detriment rather than benefit. With that said, if you don't think that markets are fixed and so called "rival companies" don't meet behind closed doors in secret then you would be in for a very, very rude awakening.

Sony has been coy at best about their stance on the whole used games issue, but I can tell you one thing, if they plan to implement anything even close to resembling what M$ says it's doing with regards to used games, etc... then I will NOT be going "Next Gen" if that means that I don't actually own what I pay for.

I have a bad feeling like Sony and M$ are on the same page with anti consumer agenda but are taking different, yet similar approaches to see which will be more widely accepted, moving them closer to the same endgame or goal. M$ has said that the DRM is done at the console level and Sony quietly says that they allow for the same but that it's done at the software level (ie; up to publisher/developer) but the ones who obviously have the most to gain from this are the publishers/developers. If we let these companies forcefully dictate how the next gen is shaped rather than it being a product of consumer wants and needs then they win and we lose and gaming and consumer rights as whole are changed forever and for the worst.

It's time for all gamers to take a stand regardless of console or platform. Companies only speak one language, MONEY, and if we speak with our MONEY ie; don't give it to companies that trample consumers rights, then we will all be heard LOUD AND CLEAR.

It's time to lower your flag, whether it be a "Sony" or "M$" and "come together, right now, over tyrannical corporate greed".

Any one who spends on dollar on any product that furthers this greed agenda by big corporations betrays themselves and every other gamer out there.

These companies are testing us to see how much they can get away with, don't even give them an inch.

arronax-13975d ago

Besides do you even SEE a figgin kinect anywhere on the PS4?

Christopher3974d ago

It actually could be more restrictive/convoluted.

Scenario: You don't have to check a game online, but the game is tied to a single console and can't be played anywhere else until you go online to verify purchase and enable it to be played elsewhere. It could even use license keys for registration that would be managed by the publishers and their way of controlling used game sales (you buy a game used, but would have to buy the new license key for the game).

4Sh0w3974d ago (Edited 3974d ago )

yeah thats certainly possible

nosferatuzodd3974d ago

Anytime Microsoft is doing something bad the xbox fanboys always find away to involve playstation in their hellish little circle, this author needs to be a man and stop trying to drag plastation to hell with Microsoft and tell Microsoft to get rid of DRM

Tapioca Cold3974d ago

Man im a huge sony fan but you are a fanboy. You dont know anything right now so how can speak blinding truths out of assumptions. The ps4 could be as restrictive. Can you read?

ALLWRONG3974d ago

Yes Sony will do something similar. Anyone who defends ether one is just a sheep ready for slaughter.

Guess the Wii U and PC doesn't look to bad anymore huh? I hope the video game industry crashes and only Nintendo and PC survives.

So far the only things MS and Sony have given us are online passes, nickle and dime DLC, paid services, and DRM. The Xbox One and PS4 will only be rental boxes for games you have to pay for but can never own.

avengers19783974d ago

People need to stop saying "MS is doing it, so Sony has to do it to". If Sony doesn't require Internet connection, then they are not doing things the same way, and really Sony choosing not to do those things gives them a huge advantage. It also means out of the 3 MS will be going at it alone with restrictive game play. Nintendo and Sony staying away from also having all the restrictions MS is using will mean they both outsell the XB1

4Sh0w3974d ago (Edited 3974d ago )

avengers its just a discussion and it seems some of you guys just dont see the possible endstate because you're holding on to carefully worded statements from sony, nothing they've said completely pulls used game drm off the table, in short they can lock your game to the 1st console through a one time registration this would of course still mean you can play completely offline with no daily checks but it just locks the game to your console which means you can't play anywhere else until you go online to verify purchase and enable it to be played elsewhere. The endstate although misleading is that sure you dont NEED internet and ps4 can play (1st owner) games completely offline but buying a used game will result in you paying for a license code.= used game drm

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jaredhart3975d ago

Hopefully not. I think Sony is smarter as a company. If they come out in E3 and directly dispel these issues, the PS4 will easily win this generation.

Gazondaily3975d ago

It's not as easy as that. They have to balance the needs of publishers with that of the consumers.

SilverKiller3975d ago

in Fact i thing Sony will continue to use the same approach that they have with PS3, like multiple software updates on the system for you to be able to play games online and an always first check online for some games that required network conection for it to be able to play it the first time, the big problem that i think Sony will not have is that they probably are not going to Enforce players to buy licenses for used games adn this problem will apply for LEnd Games to your friends... imagine if a friend of your have a game that you want to try he cannot lend you the game for you to test it for more than 24 hours (all thos action games similar to god of War, or RPGs that do not offer online content) i know for a fact that at least with my friend with those games that do not have online we usually buy a game each and once we finish we lend it over to the other is like buying the game half price since you only play them once, with MS you are not going to be able to do that, or Rent Games or Buy used games, and i think as far as i have read in most Sony News, they are not planning to do that on games

SoapShoes3975d ago

The needs of the publishers won't be met if people are put off and don't buy the systems. So the needs of the consumers are more important because without them there would be no publishers.

xxLuckyStrike3974d ago

@jaredhart Sony is damn near in financial ruin!!! Meanwhile MS just spent 1 billion on Video games. and win exactly what?!! Mann you fanboys fool yourselves to the point of ideology.

Sandmano3975d ago

"COULD" is such a big word that holds no substance until we see for our selves on the 10th.

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Karpetburnz3975d ago

Whatever it might be, I'm getting a PS4 day 1 baby, thank you Sony.

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Xbox Is Not Your Friend

After laying off almost 2,000 people, Xbox finds itself in a position at odds with the community-first image it has cultivated for itself.

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TwoPicklesGood4h ago

lol I’m not a big MS gamer but Sony and a number of others have laid off ton of people as well. Where are the ridiculous articles about them not being your friend? Gaming news is such a joke and these sites wonder why they have to beg for money/patreons or flood with 5x more ads.

Profchaos3h ago

I think the sentiment is corporations are there to make money they are not out friends that are harsh and cutthroat when lt comes to the bottom line so why do we proclaim our love for any gaming company from the rooftops when they wouldn't care about us unless we are buying the next thing.

We need to beore objective with how we view these "teams"

Gridknac2h ago

This is the absolute truth. The only part of you these companies, ALL companies, want to be friends with is your bank account. They don't care what they have to say, who's job they have to cut, or what shady underhandedness they must engage in. Bottom line is all that matters.

Vits1h ago

Because people unfortunately make these companies and products part of their own persona, so when they are scrutinized, they see it as an attack on themselves. There is some neuropsychological research around this phenomenon, but it basically has the same effect as religion. It helps foster a sense of community that humans need to feel comfortable. So that is not happening unless we have a sudden surge of people actually understanding how they work and taking control of themselves.

Magatsuhi56m ago

While it's true Sony isn't a friend either, let's not pretend that they're even in the same ballpark as MS's anti consumer practices. Sony is not a friend but atleast they're not an enemy like MS.

derek1h ago

@twopickles, were you not paying attention? Sony was heavily criticized when they laid off people weeks ago, more than Microsoft did with their massive abk layoffs.

Gamingsince19811h ago

I want to know who thought Xbox was community first anyway lmfao

ChasterMies33m ago

That’s Whataboutism. Sony and other game companies didn’t pay more than $80B to buy up publishers. Microsoft said in court that it wasn’t going to have redundancies and fire people. Microsoft told Xbox owners that they would have a AAA on GamePass each quarter. But here we are with Microsoft Game Studios shrinking. Consolidation doesn’t benefit the consumer, and no company has consolidated more than Microsoft.

BehindTheRows29m ago(Edited 28m ago)

Exactly. They love their SonyToo instead of looking at everything in its totality. You spend $80B to buy up so many pubs/devs, you damn well should have something to show for it.

That said, this article is old and someone is clearly looking for clicks!

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cthulhucultist2h ago

ok here is a reality check. Tech companies have been firing thousands of employees the last couple of years.

I find it odd that the percentage of employees sacked from MS

QUOTE
"Microsoft announced approximately 1,900 job cuts across its gaming division, including Activision Blizzard, ZeniMax, and Xbox. 8.6% of its colossal 22,000-strong global workforce. "

is worth writing an article condemning the company, when Sony Interactive fired 8% of its workforce (900 people approximately).

https://news.crunchbase.com...

Is the writer concerned about the percentage of the workforce fired or the number of employees?

Lets not forget that Unity laid off 25 percent of its workforce (1800 people) and Discord laid off 17 percent of its employees.

You also have to take into account the AI issue reported in the article. MS is heavily invested in A.I. They have invested in Open A.I (chatgpt 4+Dalle 3), in Abu Dhabi’s G42 and in French AI company Mistral.

These LLMs have already replaced thousands of jobs as A.I usage becomes more common

https://www.cbsnews.com/new...
https://www.theverge.com/20...
https://tech.co/news/compan...

This is the new reality. Even nvidia CEO said that games will fully A.I generated.

https://www.pcgamer.com/sof...

Nevertheless, no company should be ever viewed as "your friend". MS had numerous anti consumer practices in place and the same is true for Sony (not only in video game space) and Nintendo (60$ dollar games without permanent discounts, remasters of 10 year old game with full price, no console price cuts, expensive joy cons which are prone to drift, to name but a few).

Popsicle2h ago

Must be. Thought it to be common knowledge that no corporation is your friend.

rippermcrip2h ago

Xbox had a community-first image? Since when?

shaenoide2h ago

Any given company is not "friendly"...

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies38m ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher

With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?

thorstein4d ago

No, and they already solved any need with the overlay that's coming.

Vits4d ago

Unless they are trying to kill their recently created PC business, I would advise against opening a dedicated PC store. It's an extremely hard endeavor, and people, in general, are very comfortable with Steam. Even Epic, with their billions of dollars invested, is still struggling to find a foothold, and they have Fortnite.

just_looken3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Money is one thing security is another but again millions have 0 knowledge past 2020.

Epic store for years struggled with a shopping cart/account theft/credit card theft

Rockstar launcher/store to this day over 5 years later still has horrific user interface security flaws lost account's and stolen CC

Then you got that activision need phone number oh we lost it launcher

The crown jewel is the ea launcher/store ea app 3 yrs old still has hundreds of threads were people lost games/accounts/game access or just straight up crashes.

Edit" Oh ubi launcher were you buy a game that may or may not be there again or work and the launcher 5yrs old still has no 4K support if you launch it on a 4k screen there is a high chance it will just crash.

ocelot074d ago

Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming.

It's just a known fact. The PC gaming community prefer Steam and Steam alone. They don't like different launchers. I personally don't mind them. But majority just stick with steam. Hence why EA and Ubisoft went back to on releasing on steam and why Microsoft release games on steam as people hated buying from the windows store.

The only other launchers that I imagine are doing ok is GOG due to being drm free and epic games due to the free games every week. Sony shouldn't release any sort of pc launcher n

Nitrowolf24d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It literally says in the OP that PC gamers don't like multiple launchers lol. It even mentions Steam being the go to for gamers

Tacoboto3d ago

Title: "PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher"

N4G: "Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming"

When you don't even read the headline...

ocelot073d ago

I read it and had a brain fart. As read the title then this "With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?"

So I hold my hands up on that mistake. Rest of my comment still stands.

Giblet_Head3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Steam and GOG are highly preferred because of the rich feature set. Ubisoft, Rockstar, EA, Epic etc have all set a precedent over the years for customers to instinctively expect individual publisher launchers to be so extremely half-assed that the majority simply don't want to bother dealing with what is almost an inevitable disappointment by comparison to Steam or GOG. Those publishers and their inaction or general disinterest to improve have effectively ruined any future adoption to be taken seriously.

Einhander19724d ago (Edited 4d ago )

This is just another ridiculous double standard article.

It's like how Microsoft can spend 20 years of making nothing but gaas and live service style games to sell microtransactions, dlc and subscriptions and get praise for doing it, but if Sony wants to make a single game like that every website under the sun is writing articles saying how Sony is anti-consumer or whatever.

derek3d ago

Yep, huge double standard look at the tortured reaction to the ps5pro, websites hyperventilating like Sony is forcing people to buy it.

just_looken3d ago

Wait my xbox from 2004 has avengers gaas on it? wow your so smart

m$ Gaas started with the other companies like sony

Gamepass yes they are deep into that but its still a huge money saver sense you do not own your games then get a service like that.

Now there pc xbox launcher that is trash for years now

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